Change the way South Australia moves
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- The Integrated Transport and Land Use Plan identifies new ways of connecting people to the places they want to be -- from the weekday commute, to weekend sports matches, shopping, entertainment and time with friends and family.
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Let's get going with the trams and train road changes started so we can enjoy the new opportunities that are waiting to be explored.
There is already a train line from Mount Barker that actually does connect up to Belair. The Adelaide Hills are growing so why not do something about it? What's your opinion on this guys?
Absolutely. Something that should definitely be considered.
However (correct me if I'm wrong) I believe the line from Belair to Mt Barker is standard gauge, used by freight trains. This is a separate line to the Adelaide Metro broad gauge line. Seeing as much of the existing track between Adelaide and Belair are the two separate lines I'd assume a duplication of the line from Belair to Mt Barker would have to occur.
Expensive; but you're right, something that will need to be considered in the future.
You both are right. There is already a connection to Mount Barker via Belair. However because one half of the corridor between the Interstate west parkland rail terminal to Belair, and then the full corridor from Belair onward was sold to National Rail, and then converted to standard gauge means that the current Metro Adelaide rolling stock cant run between Belair and Mt Barker without doing one of three things. First, rent the standard gauge from NR and bring in a variable gauge system for the Metro Adelaide rail stock. An example of this is made by Talgo. Second, strike a deal between Metro Adelaide and NR to co-own the fright line, and replace the stand alone standard gauge with a duel standard/broad gauge line. Third make a deal with the Commonwealth government to go-fund to build a new freight line to go up and around the Adelaide Hill via the Barrosa. In doing to the NR line from the West Park lands to the point closest to Murray Bridge where the new line will divert from will be granted back to Metro Adelaide. Doing this would solve two things. One would be cutting diesel cost for fright due to less diesel would be used. The other would allow room to extend the urban rail not only to Mt Baker. Also from there south to Victor Habor, and east to Callington, and if the state gov willing to by extra bit of land next to the fright line, even further to Murray Bridge.
These Adelaide metro can’t go that far! Transport don’t go like 100 Km except for Buses and Freight and some passenger trains like the Ghan and Overlands, Europe
BUT FUE LOW BUDGET
Electrify the Belair Line by 2024 and then extend the Line to Mt Barker by 2026+
Extend the Seaford Line to Aldinga by 2025+
Finish the Underground City Line by 2030+
Electrify the Grange and Outer Harbour Lines by 2023+
Gawler to finish electrification by November 2021 and Extend the line to the Barrosa region by 2027+
@@leaflaneleft they can, think of how far Melbourne’s metro go, and I’m not talking about the V-Line.
I think it great!! accept the "port link" I say lets have the electrification of the outer harbour line and build a tram from semaphore to west lakes that then goes down through grange and henley that then connects to the city. something along the lines of that would help so many people including me!!
I cant wait to see the tram network in place. It will revitalise the city and suburbs, and turn Adelaide into a truly modern and cosmopolitan city. Its long overdue and the sooner it gets started the better.
Hi from the future (Year 2022). The trams and roads are pretty much shitty in Adelaide. Population and commute times have increased but not qualify of life of people.
@@tm92489 yep. lots of missed opportunities in 8 years :(
actually the trams were pulled out because once petrol rationing was removed after the war, buying petrol became cheaper than buying a tram ticket, which in turn led to more cars and more congestion. Design public transport in such a way that it is preferred to driving (cheaper, more reliable, faster) and the only congestion will be on the tram itself because it is so full!
But changing the outer harbour and grange line to trams is a dumb idea. Leave the trains, electrify the track and remove level crossing would be a better way to go!
Oh yeah, I am with you. Leave the Grange and Outer Habor line there as a TRAIN line, and use the space that is already there in the middle of Port Road to build a tram to Semaphore via Port Adelaide. Use the tram line to replace all of the bus runs that goes between directly between Port and Adelaide, In doing so freeing up Port Road for traffic.
@@MyUrbanExplorationOnline I know this would make so much more sense. We can’t keep building into the hills and the wine regions we need the trains and more trams and the city is going to have to get used to going up even in the suburbs like port adelaide and that whole corridor. The airport needs to move to allow this fully, people don’t like that idea adelaide airport is heaps convenient but it’s not practical if want SA to grow comfortably
@@MyUrbanExplorationOnline I can't agree with you more! every word you just said is exactly what I was thinking! replacing the train line with trams is a dumb idea and would be a waste of time and money that could be going towards electrifying the Outer Harbour line swell as building a tram line to semaphore and possible West Lakes.
@@aysty5951 Oh for sure. What is really needed for the Grange and Outer Harbor lines is for electrifying both lines. Make both lines either go over, or under at David Tce, Eoodvile Road, Port Road, Cheltenham Parade, and Fussell Pl. Also all stations to be brought up to modern code. As in all stations but sit flush with the floor of the trains. Be two EMU set's long. Modern display in when the next trains are coming. CCTV. Well lighted. Bring in transit cops with real world policing powers. Not "mall cops". Also do what the Victorian government did and install single person cell for any trouble makers that are on the train. That way the transit cop can drop off anyone that are coring issues to allow the regular cops can come around and take them to the police station for processing. Also at build a ticket office at selected stations like at Woodvile, Grange, Outer Harbor, and if they new Port Adelaide, there too. Doing all that would go along way to boost ridership for the north western suburb, and also be enacted as a network wide addition to the network as a whole.
Having said that. I am not 100 percent agents extending the tram network to Semaphore via Port Adelaide. There is room for it, and it is down the middle of Port Road, and should be treated as an upgrade to the bus network. Not as a replacement for the trains out side of peak hours.
@@justindrew9702 Hey, just say that you made a reply. What is really needed for the Grange and Outer Harbor lines is for electrifying both lines. Make both lines either go over, or under at David Tce, Eoodvile Road, Port Road, Cheltenham Parade, and Fussell Pl. Also all stations to be brought up to modern code. As in all stations but sit flush with the floor of the trains. Be two EMU set's long. Modern display in when the next trains are coming. CCTV. Well lighted. Bring in transit cops with real world policing powers. Not "mall cops". Also do what the Victorian government did and install single person cell for any trouble makers that are on the train. That way the transit cop can drop off anyone that are coring issues to allow the regular cops can come around and take them to the police station for processing. Also at build a ticket office at selected stations like at Woodvile, Grange, Outer Harbor, and if they new Port Adelaide, there too. Doing all that would go along way to boost ridership for the north western suburb, and also be enacted as a network wide addition to the network as a whole.
Having said that. I am not 100 percent agents extending the tram network to Semaphore via Port Adelaide. There is room for it, and it is down the middle of Port Road, and should be treated as an upgrade to the bus network. Not as a replacement for the trains out side of peak hours.
I'm a supporter of the tram network being expanded, but why are they showing the CBD lines going down Frome Street? with the seperated bikeway there already is there even room for trams too? nevermind the stupidity of mixing trams and cycles?
all done
That is a negative move replacing Heavy Rail (Train) with Light Rail (Tram). Can you imagine traveling from Outer Harbour to the city on a Tram? There are 20 stations Train stations between Adelaide & Outer Harbour how many stops would there be for a Tram service more than double or even triple! South Australia has an ageing population and will have for some time into our future. Trams cannot accommodate more than a couple of wheelchairs and or Gophers not to mention bicycles. I am all for the Tram replacing bus services down to the Port but not replacing the existing Train. Adelaide had a much smaller population prior to the Trams services being removed in the 50's which was a bad idea and now the reverse is on the board, think about the future not just today.
Oh yeah for sure. There is nothing stopping in having PortLink go down Port Road, then wonder thought the streets of Port Adelaide, then on to Semaphore. In doing so if that part of Adelaide get extended upwards, there is already a tram line there to build stops to take congestion off the bus network.
Oh c'mon, trams alleviate congestion, not cause it. Melbourne, the only city in Australia not to rip up its entire tram network is reaping the benefits now. Trams in Adelaide's inner city are a logical idea. However, they should be preferably segregated from traffic, with separate stops that don't require cars to stop behind them.
One can only lament the total lack of foresight
Hi Guys, any of you know who did the animation? kindly appreciate your help. :D
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The planned tram network is good it will remind of the Vancouver skytrain. Because it will go where it takes a long time to get to with buses. That west link should be build first so we get more people from the airport quicker and easier
There is no surprise, the government cannot support these huge projects. People here live scattered all around, it's pretty hard to build public transport. In my opinion, have the high-speed train to connect main area and big cities...Well..not enough people here....could cost a lot to argue the plan, LOL....
My wife caught a bus yesterday, we live in the Inner Northen Suburbs less than 7 km from the GPO, she went to the Flinders Medical centre to work as an interpreter. It cost her a $10 day trip ticket, and 80 minutes each way to get there. She can drive there and back and pay for parking less than that. If trams were taken off the road the rest of the traffic would flow better increasing overall efficiency. O'bahn type buses running on their own corridor, then roading it to the final stop, great!
Have you ever driven in Melbournes suburbs behind a tram? I have. True Melbourne CBD doesn't have any problems because there roads are much, much wider. Go out into some of the burbs, say down South Melbourne or over Prahan way, then tell me trams don't cause congestion. Roads such as Chapel Street are the same width as Prospect Road or Unley Road, it's a mess.
O'bahn yes. Trains, non electric because we can't afford the total rebuilding of every corridor, ok. Trams, no. Building trams out to Prospect and other inner city suburbs is just going to increase the frustration of every road user specially those from the outer suburbs who will never use the trams but need to access the road. In the 1950's the trams went to the extremities of the suburbs, not select trendy destinations. They were pulled out because they caused congestion then, imagine it now!.
It's not about road users, they are the ones causing the congestion, not solving it. A tram line would mean those in the inner suburbs will commute by tram not cars, meaning those in the outer suburbs can use the remaining road space. Simply less cars on the roads due to the trams servicing the area, means even if one less lane the traffic will not be affected. Just an illusion that the trams taking the road space means it squishes everything to one lane, but really is those in that second lane would use the trams, and the remaining lane is for car users unable to catch the tram, those who commute in the outer suburbs.
Trams where pulled out because when petrol rationing ended petrol was cheaper than a tram ticket for a long time, however nowadays public transport is significantly cheaper than buying petrol
@@Adelaide_Transit Not in Australia it's not. A standard adult ticket is somewhere around $5 ( I haven't used Public transport in over a decade). That's $5 for a single ride, could be as short as 1 km or up to about 16 km, same price. That same $5 will buy me around 4 litres of fuel which in my car is around 60 km of air conditioned clean travel when I want to travel.
Tickets are a $1.12 for a train ride fi you are a student ad all generally stay around the same price, more so Adult and children tickets do not exist and are valid if you change trains. They are also valid for 2 hours, the trams in Adelaide are free in the city and Glenelg. I have no clue where you got the notion that tickets are 5 dollars. Not only that but you have also generalised so many different cities and states which all use different methods of payment and have different prices, these cities also have vastly different rail networks to each other.
@@raygale4198, You must be driven by some ideological agenda in hating train lines and public transport in general. The truth is that cars, buses, bicycles, trains, trams and boats/ ferries are all 18th century transport technologies. Your assertion that trains are 18th century technology while being obsolete are pure ignorance. Buses operating on fixed lines (within the road network or on busways) and schedules are not flexible like you claim, but are equally as rigid just like a steel wheeled railway line. If buses regularly change their schedules, it would result in a bureaucratic headache while people won't use the buses which contributes to even more road congestion due to the inefficiency of single occupant cars. It seems that you might be working with the automotive industries just to benefit the oil lobby, servos, tyre companies and privileged few in cars by themselves while attempting to destroy the public transport that potentially liberates thousands of people if PT is well designed.
Cities are always for people first then cycling and public transport, not for cars. The inevitable truth of physics and maths are that any city including Adelaide must use public transport properly to move large volumes of people. If you don't like to live in a city, then move to the countryside and enjoy your single occupant commute by car.
toll booths are needed in this city to fund our transportation infrastructure
Nathaniel Cervelli are you for real .Tolls of any sort are the last thing we want in this state
Cars make people fat? Um no, it's café strips, and shopping centres with fast food chains and 'must have trendy cake shops' every 2 k that make people fat. People weren't fat in the 50's, they worked. If you remove cars from the roads so that the 'people who really need the roads can use them', just wondering who that might be? Wonder if those same people would be paying for the maintenance of said roads, through registration fees, fuel taxes, road levies?. Can't you people see you are pushing Devolution ?
+Michael Golubovic Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your point of view, Adelaide is not Europe or Asia with people living in hives at densities of over 20,000 people per square kilometre. Even Sydney and Melbourne only average around 400 people per square kilometre, Adelaide is much less. Those low densities make rigid transport systems, trains and trams, uneconomic and useless, they are never where you need them. Adelaide is the size and shape it is due to the constraints of the Adelaide Hills, the city fathers got Adelaide right, the original city lay out from Gepps Cross to roughly Cross Roads works perfectly, where it's gone wrong is pinning new suburbs on at each end and allowing commuting from one end to the other each day. These outer burbs should be villages in their own right, how Elizabeth was intended, except that city was reliant on one industry only which leads to problems. These separate villages could then use express rail links between each village.
How the city runs now having trams using suburban roads would be like mobile blood clots killing the city, trams now have to be disability accessible, DDA compliant, these means all tram stops have raised platforms with wheel chair friendly ramps, roads like Prospect Road, Unley Road and the Parade would become non trafficable to any other road user once you build a 10 meter wide tram corridor down the road. Measure the width of the dual track corridor along King William street and North Terrace with Google Earth, it just won't fit.
+Michael Golubovic It sounds like we are agreeing most of the problem is commuting cross city. Our public transport has evolved from the lowest bidder wins attitude, it's disjointed, un-coordinated, inefficient, not passenger friendly and mostly despised. I took my kids on the Adelaide City - Mt. Barker bus yesterday (T840) to try out the new double decker bus that runs that service. The new bus was great, the Currie St. stops are disgusting public urinals. The entire public transport system needs rethinking, with many more interchange stops to allow car to train or car to bus changes in the outer suburbs and bus to tram interchanges in the parklands, there is no need for buses in the CBD, there is no need for trams in the suburbs. An efficiently laid out exchange similar to Mawson Lakes but better, should add barely 2 minutes to a trip,