Great video as always guys! Question/request: Sean mentioned "its a throw" at one point, can you do a video focusing on this? Specifically, how to achieve proper impact/shaft lean with a throw feel? How to time/delay the throw to happen later? Where am I aiming the throw? Throwing the grip, entire club, or clubhead? Side arm or underhand? Etc. Despite playing baseball growing up (and still possessing a decent arm now), in golf I tend to leave the arms behind, angles thrown out immediately from the top, big scoop at the bottom = high launch, lacking distance. Been trying to get compression for years now. Thanks, cheers!
I used to hit SO MANY balls with a towel in my armpits. Just like Shaun, I got pretty good with a wedge but couldn't get a long iron in the air. Once you guys showed me that I could, and should, lift my right arm in the backswing, things got a lot easier. Great stuff, as always. Happy New Year, Fellas! 🎉
Mike and Shaun are probably sick of me saying the same thing. Once I did that, consistency and distance improved throughout the bag. Lift those arms people! And don't be afraid to let them drop, what goes up needs to come down...
I see videos from "coaches" on YT telling golfers to do one of the 3, if not more, of the moves you mention. I tried the side bend for a couple of drills and quickly realized that it wasn't for me. I had to tell one of my golfing buddies to stop doing the towel drill because it was hurting his swing. I learned that the vast majority of YT coaches don't know what their talking about or are giving out drills that either will not help you and make you worse or will confuse the heck out of you to the point where you over think and get paralyzed over the ball because you are thinking about so many positions and technical moves. Thanks for exposing these horrible drills. Cheers.
Love you videos guys, you are by far the best on RUclips with your data driven instruction! I’m an instructor myself and would love to see a very in depth video regarding all the details and parameters regarding the wrists and forearms into and out of impact. How grip strength, rotation of the body, etc affect these averages. I would love some ammunition regarding this to help my students get a better picture of what’s happening and what’s acceptable and not acceptable. Thank you guys! Keep up the great work and happy new years!
No other golf instruction channel has helped me more than AMG. And I have watched them all. You guys unlocked the golf swing for me. Just wanted to say thank you.
Just learned hand location relative to trail hip recently. Game changer! So many of my swing errors are due to misconceptions about images/videos viewed. Thanks for the clarity you all provide.
Drill 2 is very good for wedges and also shorter irons, where control is key and power is needed less. I call it no realease shot and feeling the clubface pointing to target as long as possible. Obviously both don t happen in reality, but the feels and drills really help short irons as those are specialty shots in my opinion. Drill 1 is exaggarates drill for full swing , but can help some people for structure who are having flying elbows, extreme arm lift and etc…. Drill 3 is basically a pivot drill, however i don t see many players who try 90-90 turn and side bend, i also teach for more than 12 years now and have not had a golfer who comes in amd says he is trying to get 90 open and 90 side bend…. As usual there is some truth to what you guys say, but these drills can also help some players and certain areas of the game. I agree that all drills are bad for driver. I think a great video you could do with all your research and GEARS is how much pros move differently from one area of the game to another, like: Wedges Short irons Long irons Fairway woods Driver Even short game What differs in specialty shots and what are specialty shots in your opinion
Mike and Shawn, First, I have learned more about what a real golf swing is from you both than in the last 50+ years. You have clarified so many misconceptions that I can’t begin to list them. My question to you revolves the age old mantra of emphasizing “turn” in the backswing. After 55 years playing golf, you have made me aware that I turn too much and also that I am out of sequence. Also, I have shorter than normal arms for a guy 6’ - 2”. What is the best drill to feel the correct amount of arm swing in the backswing?
Thank you for the kind words! A great detail for that is the one where you lay the club on your trail shoulder at address. Make the backswing pivot that you like, then extend the arms up and out. Done right, you’ll have width, depth, without any over swing 👍
Hi guys. In a previous video, you showed on gears what the right arm should do. You took the body turn and bend out to show it. I found this really helpful. I'd love to see a video for the right, left and then both arms in one video.
I’m 65 and learned the swing with one handbook, power golf. My right elbow stays way too close and certainly has caused other swing issues. Occasionally I use a “swimming arm floaty” while practicing to keep my elbow away from my body. Occasionally…like for the last 25 years. Good job guys on informing golfers about these important swing flaws and how drills can work against us. Happy New Year Shaun & Mike!
You guys are the absolute BEST! Any teacher that says to pin the right arm against the body should be drawn and quartered... Okay, maybe not that harsh, but you guys have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that lifting that right arm is the absolute correct move. In particular, Shaun, what you said about the lift giving the arms time to fall and shallow the club. Cannot tell you how much that has helped me. My wife and I played a couple days ago, had a semi-mild day here in Maryland. She said, my goodness your swing is looking so good, and your rhythm and tempo is so improved. Make no mistake, I'm not ready to have my swing videoed for golf digest or anything lol But I do believe getting the club in a much improved position, combined with giving my arms time to fall and shallow the club before the rotation kicks in fully, I can truly feel that the rhythm is better, without consciously trying to work on it. And my follow-through, which I also have not really worked on like I have the backswing and shallowing, feels so much better as a result. 👍👊
Great video. My instructor has had my practice all three you reviewed. Club head covers under both arms. Last lesson a month ago was told rod hitting an impact bag.
The single most important thing in my opinion, that I learned from your guys videos: Weight shift. Specifically how much Tour players move laterally into their front leg, vs how much amateurs get stuck back. I'm watching this video, looking closely at the players pivots, and it seems like the down swing takes place on the front leg. It's not 50/50 at all. It's like all the joints are stacked at impact on the lead side.
5:18 Apart from the towel, how much shoulder external rotation is there in a full back swing? I remember you pointing out that the trail upper arm has internal rotation on the down swing approaching impact as in proper throwing motion.
Guys, for many years I was always envious of my father because he was a terrific golfer and I was, let’s say, a capable player at best. What probably aggravated me even more was here was a guy who didn’t take his physical fitness too seriously, had a beer gut and even being 24 yrs older then me could always out drive me until probably five years ago. I was usually in very good shape and flexible yet he still owned me on the golf course. Now, it all makes terrific sense to me. I was always the guy doing drills some of which you just talked about and trying to get crazy amounts of turn and then rotating a huge amount at impact. None of it worked and, as you eloquently describe in the video, screwed up my game for decades. A good golf swing seems much more attainable now that I know you don’t need to be a Marvel Super Hero to play good golf. Anyways, as per usual, I always feel better about my golf game after watching your videos. Kudos. 🤘 ✌️
Thank you! I've been working on my right arm in the back swing, my right elbow was staying way to low and tucked. I've been working on this lately and this video confirms it, thank you!
Thank you for your speedy reply. Any videos you can put out about what not to do is really helpful. Have you thought anymore about putting out a video about your favorite training aides? Thank you
What about the drill swinging with a ball between the forearms? Saw someone who did this for a while and he began dipping significantly in the backswing, wonder if it’s related since it’s also an arm movement restricting drill?
Great vid as always! Video Idea: do a feel vs real video. For example a live lesson where someone videos their swing and u ask them to only go to p2 (shaft parallel) then u show them the video and it’s actually a perfect top of backswing. Really eye opening ah ha realizations go a long way in development.
Guys, Agreed with all the positive comments below. Your fact/data perspective through GEARS really helps cut through the clutter. Particularly liked the string of illustrations of where the pros are with tilt and ribcage rotation. Would like to see the hip turns added to these for additional clarity as to what is 'powering' (or leading) what - hips vs rib cage - to and through impact. My (incorrect?) focus on working to get right shoulder 'all the way around' (so as to finish up and closest to target) may be contributing to striving for too much 'opening' to early. Thanks, Bill
Thanks for kind words! I’m hey mean a lot 🙏🏻. Here’s something to o keep in mind when thinking about the trail shoulder. At impact, it’s always behind (farther away from target line) where it started at address from the down the line perspective 😉
I really like the point Shaun makes about keeping the towel from falling for about the first half of the backswing and then having the arm lift let it fall from the arms. In an effort to make sure I have good arm lift in the backswing, I notice that in the videos I take from DTL, my arms get out across the swing plane very early (they go out from my body too much and too early), and it leads to compensations the rest of the way. So this will be a good one for me to practice!
9:32 i have this idea, where past impact I let the clubhead go and straighten the wrists to have a straight line from the lead shoulder down to the club head about a foot or two past impact.
Great video guys. I like I think lots of golfer over the years have fallen under these misconceptions of what the right thing is that we should be doing to get better. Keep up the great work that you do, looking forward to your content in 2024.👍
You guys make an incredible job of showing that the swing shouldn't be THAT complicated with PROOF from the best players alive. You're the antithesis of most of youtubers that are selling the idea of crazy body movement. Kudos for you!!!
The ball is fine for less than full swings. We've seen lots of pump drills. Some okay and some not so good. Can you describe the one you're thinking about?
Hi Guys , great video shaun mentioned backing the Lead hip up @ 15.23 minute mark , are you saying this is cause of pulls ? As i know I'm guilty of this sometimes and hit pulls. you were scanning through Ribcage & ribcage side rotation figures i would of love to see the hip position numbers at impact, as i found it intesting , great stuff guys
Thanks for this! I've struggled with all these drills and always wondered "WTF?" they seemed insane and led to a lot of frustration and bad swing thoughts throughout my game.I hope I can erase these from my brain and get on with actually swinging properly.
Guys, a great video again! But as an improvement, we're not able to look and understand 2 things at the same time and listen too. I'm talking about pro swings or gears data on either side and you demonstrating the other side. Great stuff as always!
Actually, drill # 2 is used by Tommy Fleetwood with a device called the TRS. It’s basically a stick attached to the end of the grip which accomplishes the same thing. For me, it’s dramatically improved my chip and pitch shots. Never use it though on a full swing.
Hey guys! I heard Shaun mention in a takeaway video how he used tape on a mirror to train his takeaway during the off-season. Is there anyway you could make a video or explain that a little further (I.e how to place the tape to form the right swing plane)? Thanks so much!
Gentlemen, Thank You Thank you for this mind bending perspective 😅and A Happy New Year! How should the impact bag you have sitting there on the floor be used correctly😢
Regarding drill No. 3 and the data you presented with the Tour players as you were discussing ribcage rotation and ribcage side bend. I wish you demonstrated the various degrees of rotation and what they would look like. Same with ribcage side bend. The data was fascinating, but I had a hard time visualizing each. The takeaway for me is that ribcage rotation and ribcage side bend should match up (basically). I just wish I could visualize what they looked like when they matched up at various degrees. Thanks for the video and hope you guys have a great 2024! 👊👊
Nice video covering bad drills. It's ridiculous how many people are deluded into thinking they need to be more open at impact because of bad instruction they've been given. As you've shown no Tour Pro nor long driver gets into that bad contorted and open position at impact. I don't know if you guys have seen the instruction by Mike Malaska where he has an alignment stick looped through his belt, and another along the club shaft, and in the downswing the alignment stick on the club shaft goes down and behind the one through his hips (because the arms lower straight down) which has the club pivoting and releasing through impact. (I think it's in both his invisible forces book and a video he did). It would be interesting to hear what you think about that drill.
Would really like to see a video on does the right arm pull the club more than the left, or should they be pulling equally. If they do pull equally, how do you prevent the chicken wing with the left arm?
Great video. I have clients who had tried all three and they just got worse. And I even purchased this thing called the golf swing shirt about 15 years ago never used it because Carmen shamed me out of using it so I threw it away 😂. Had a new client show up with one a few months ago wondering why he lost so much distance 😢
On the 2nd one (the stick drill). I do think it’s an excellent drill for punching out from the trees and keeping it under branches and moving it down the fairway. Basically a rescue shot.
Great video guys! Hey what do you think about the head on the wall drill for those that raise up in the downswing and/or backswing? Seems like losing inclination is connected to early extension sometimes? Cheers!
AMG I need help and have a question on something that has always confused me. (As a right handed golfer) After my initial shift slightly off the ball during the take away, should I begin shifting some pressure back into my front foot again at, or just after left-arm parallel in the backswing? Or is that too early? I've always been confused by what point in the backswing I should start to put pressure back into my front foot in order to prepare for the weight shift at the top of the backswing. Thanks!
Just let it fall back to the middle(50/50) as your club starts pointing at the target towards the end of your backswing. Keep it simple, it’s more subtle than what a lot of golfers are trying to do 👊
Have you ever recommended the drill where you have a stick or similar under the trail armpit, and you try to keep the lead arm up against this stick all the way down to delivery? So the trail arm extends (and lowers), but the lead arm stays "up" longer.
I love all the information!! SOMEONE PLEASE help me to understand how to make a divot (compression) in front of the ball with irons, when the body is tilted away (seems so backwards) My Mind can’t comprehend. Thanks
Matching rotation and side bend, light bulb went off. I think im trying to stand up too much, instinct to have good posture. Sometimes i accidently get the right feel, and im chasing it. This makes sense. I was hurting myself with the mismatch at night in bed sometimes felt a twinge, I got better but now I think I can get even stronger with this thought. Hey what do you guys think of the laser trick? Butch Harmon had a product. Someone else is selling one now. I taped a cat toy laser to a stick and at night i do swings along a line in my driveway. Then flip it over to do second half of swing, i need another laser. It really helped with my swing plane, and automatically made me recenter at the top, wonder what you think of that? Cheers
Please correct me if I’m Wrong Legends but what I’m getting from these is that people Are doing these three drills wrong. As discussed in the video we should do: 1. Towel drill only waist to waist if the pin is to keep the towel in place. Above the waist swings we actually look for towel to drop. 2. Rod Extension drill only to impact, not an inch past. 3 the “hockey stick” Drill just taking the downswing down only until the stick is parallel to the ground to Learn where the rib cage should be. Just a little open the rib cage. I’m Just reordering what you said in the video, Which I though all three thought were genius.
Number 2, with dragging the club through the ball... For me the eye opener was the idea that all this "do not scoop", "do not cast" advices do not mean "do not release your wrists". Many golfers completely stop releasing they wrists, and when they start swinging driver - they struggle to reach 80 mph club head speed, coz they drag the club through the ball. It means "release your wrists LATER and FASTER". And the most difficult thing is to time the swing and wrists release right... Especially when you trying to swing faster.
The club is being thrown is such timely advice for me. I've ended up with a sore back because almost all instructions these days ask you to 'hold on' to the wrist angles to infinity and beyond! 😛
i do have questions about wrist angles though. 1. You have to rotate the wrists more with longer clubs, correct? You can get away with less face rotation with clubs up to 8 or 7 iron I feel. 2. As we rotate the wrists, the club starts delofting (reduced shaft lean), correct? @@AthleticMotionGolf
@@zh7646 timely question 🙂. Check out this Instagram video we posted yesterday instagram.com/reel/C1kqT3rOsKF/?igsh=Z3I2dTk0aTEweWVs Those numbers are for 7 irons and will give you a sense for how much roll, hinge, and cupping takes place in the release.
I just discovered the faults of the towel drill last week. I was keeping my arms and elbows in especially during the down swing. All I could to compensate it was cause my lead arm to chicken wing. I'm calling it T-Rex golf, long legs with short flailing arms.
What do you guys think about how the good players' head/ eye lines are looking behind the ball at impact? I know there are exceptions like Duval but the majority seem to be the opposite.
I tried the alignment stick on the the handle for a few weeks. Even bought the Callaway training aid that attaches to the end of the club. It gave me severe bruises on my abdomen from slapping into me on the release. People would gasp when they saw the bruises 🤣
If you do have an issue with a flip is the stick drill a good exaggeration drill to feel the opposite, even though it isn’t reality? Or is there a better way to fix it?
Good question. Still not one we’d recommend as it doesn’t fix what causes a flip. Golfers don’t flip by choice, they do it because it gives them the best chance to hit it towards the target. Fixing the cause is a much better option.
Do you have any studies showing where the butt of the club points to during the back and down swings? Laser pointers are available that connects to the butt of the club.
I have trouble rotating my hips properly? is it possible to not rotate your hips if you take the club away with your chest? by using just my arms to take away the club it's cheating to make a turn, thus inhibiting my hip turn. it seems with an upper body takeaway it's almost impossible not to turn the hips. can you do a video on this if I am correct?
Yep towel drill ruined me for a long time,gave me an over connected heaving sway! but still got down to 11hcp cos i was lethal 100yds and in I am still proof u dont need a great swing to play great golf!
Guys burning question : noted in a vid you said the club head should be pointing up at first parallel, but it shouldn’t it be slightly closed and parallel to the spine angle? If it’s pointing up wouldn’t the face be open and would have to flip?
For everyone, even players like DJ, the face opens ~90 degrees in the backswing. We see players do better when that opening happens gradually from the start. Players who try to keep that from happening early typically flop it open late - not good. Slightly less than toe up is what we most often recommend. Remember, this is no relationship between the spine and club face, and there has never been a face that doesn’t open in the backswing.
One thing that stands out with alot of these drills and body positions thats being taught today is that people are too concentrated on their body, arms, and hands. They are forgetting that the clubhead has to hit the ball. Whether it is the towel drill, holding lag through impact, or the hockey stick drill, none of those drills allow you to consistently get the clubhead back to the ball.
Think with the towel drill it’s just used by people who may not need it, mainly for players who have to much arm lift, and where you set the arms doing the drill matters
You mention that the pull is the new slice. I'd love if you would delve into this topic in greater detail! What are the commonalities that you are seeing which cause this phenomenon?
Going beyond, I think is due to the exagerated poses some teachers apply to get the distinct difference between what amateurs do compared to high level pros do. The lower tour professionals would be better comparision, but you don’t get those pics on the internet. It also should allways be a good idea to say, this is not, what you wish to acomplish, but to show, what the feeling should be, cause the difference in feel is really big compared to what really happens.
Drill 1 was designed for a golfer like Nick Faldo a 6 foot 3, 6 foot 4 golfer to make that b/c he needed control for the height of his shots. Not for a 5 foot 3 like me who needs more extension to hit the ball farther.
I know this is probably out of you guy’s realm, but I feel like all my golf issues are mental at this point…do you have anything for that? I’ve been playing for many years, and was never very consistent until 2021-2022, where I averaged 85.6…in 2023 I broke 90 once, and shot over 100 several times. The only thing I can contribute it to is a mental block when I get over the ball. HELP!
usually the mental game improves once the mechanics are better and you are hitting the ball solid and consistently. You should take a Trackman combine to see what you can score on that test. It will give you a good baseline for your ball striking. Do that then report back here and let me know your score on the combine.
Lot of folks would say Bryson is casting in that slow mo video you included 😂, seems likes he’s trying to release the angles as quickly and powerfully as possible
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Great video as always guys!
Question/request: Sean mentioned "its a throw" at one point, can you do a video focusing on this? Specifically, how to achieve proper impact/shaft lean with a throw feel? How to time/delay the throw to happen later? Where am I aiming the throw? Throwing the grip, entire club, or clubhead? Side arm or underhand? Etc.
Despite playing baseball growing up (and still possessing a decent arm now), in golf I tend to leave the arms behind, angles thrown out immediately from the top, big scoop at the bottom = high launch, lacking distance. Been trying to get compression for years now.
Thanks, cheers!
We sure can! Great idea 💡
@@AthleticMotionGolf I'd love to see this!
I used to hit SO MANY balls with a towel in my armpits. Just like Shaun, I got pretty good with a wedge but couldn't get a long iron in the air. Once you guys showed me that I could, and should, lift my right arm in the backswing, things got a lot easier. Great stuff, as always. Happy New Year, Fellas! 🎉
Mike and Shaun are probably sick of me saying the same thing. Once I did that, consistency and distance improved throughout the bag. Lift those arms people! And don't be afraid to let them drop, what goes up needs to come down...
@@BrianH020 Gotta air those pits out! 😂
@@AthleticMotionGolf 😂
I see videos from "coaches" on YT telling golfers to do one of the 3, if not more, of the moves you mention. I tried the side bend for a couple of drills and quickly realized that it wasn't for me. I had to tell one of my golfing buddies to stop doing the towel drill because it was hurting his swing. I learned that the vast majority of YT coaches don't know what their talking about or are giving out drills that either will not help you and make you worse or will confuse the heck out of you to the point where you over think and get paralyzed over the ball because you are thinking about so many positions and technical moves. Thanks for exposing these horrible drills. Cheers.
All these have been around longer than RUclips. Hopefully they be around a lot less in the future 🙂
Love you videos guys, you are by far the best on RUclips with your data driven instruction! I’m an instructor myself and would love to see a very in depth video regarding all the details and parameters regarding the wrists and forearms into and out of impact. How grip strength, rotation of the body, etc affect these averages. I would love some ammunition regarding this to help my students get a better picture of what’s happening and what’s acceptable and not acceptable. Thank you guys! Keep up the great work and happy new years!
No other golf instruction channel has helped me more than AMG. And I have watched them all. You guys unlocked the golf swing for me. Just wanted to say thank you.
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Just learned hand location relative to trail hip recently. Game changer! So many of my swing errors are due to misconceptions about images/videos viewed. Thanks for the clarity you all provide.
It’s a game changer concept !!!
Thanks a lot fellas ... a very useful information, indeed.
Thanks for watching!
Drill 2 is very good for wedges and also shorter irons, where control is key and power is needed less. I call it no realease shot and feeling the clubface pointing to target as long as possible. Obviously both don t happen in reality, but the feels and drills really help short irons as those are specialty shots in my opinion.
Drill 1 is exaggarates drill for full swing , but can help some people for structure who are having flying elbows, extreme arm lift and etc….
Drill 3 is basically a pivot drill, however i don t see many players who try 90-90 turn and side bend, i also teach for more than 12 years now and have not had a golfer who comes in amd says he is trying to get 90 open and 90 side bend….
As usual there is some truth to what you guys say, but these drills can also help some players and certain areas of the game.
I agree that all drills are bad for driver.
I think a great video you could do with all your research and GEARS is how much pros move differently from one area of the game to another, like:
Wedges
Short irons
Long irons
Fairway woods
Driver
Even short game
What differs in specialty shots and what are specialty shots in your opinion
Very well said!
Aside from the lesson, big props to the quality editing, graphics, slow-mo videos, overlays etc. really, really well done! Thanks guys.
Thank you!!
Mike and Shawn,
First, I have learned more about what a real golf swing is from you both than in the last 50+ years. You have clarified so many misconceptions that I can’t begin to list them.
My question to you revolves the age old mantra of emphasizing “turn” in the backswing. After 55 years playing golf, you have made me aware that I turn too much and also that I am out of sequence. Also, I have shorter than normal arms for a guy 6’ - 2”. What is the best drill to feel the correct amount of arm swing in the backswing?
Thank you for the kind words! A great detail for that is the one where you lay the club on your trail shoulder at address. Make the backswing pivot that you like, then extend the arms up and out. Done right, you’ll have width, depth, without any over swing 👍
I've been watching you two for years. This, in my opinion, was amazingly informative. Especially concerning all of the UTL examples of the pro's.
Thank you 🙏
the best video you've ever done! can you give us your 'replacement' drills for the death-move drills you've demonstrated?
Hi guys. In a previous video, you showed on gears what the right arm should do. You took the body turn and bend out to show it. I found this really helpful. I'd love to see a video for the right, left and then both arms in one video.
I’m 65 and learned the swing with one handbook, power golf. My right elbow stays way too close and certainly has caused other swing issues. Occasionally I use a “swimming arm floaty” while practicing to keep my elbow away from my body. Occasionally…like for the last 25 years. Good job guys on informing golfers about these important swing flaws and how drills can work against us. Happy New Year Shaun & Mike!
Thank you!
You guys are the absolute BEST! Any teacher that says to pin the right arm against the body should be drawn and quartered... Okay, maybe not that harsh, but you guys have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that lifting that right arm is the absolute correct move. In particular, Shaun, what you said about the lift giving the arms time to fall and shallow the club. Cannot tell you how much that has helped me. My wife and I played a couple days ago, had a semi-mild day here in Maryland. She said, my goodness your swing is looking so good, and your rhythm and tempo is so improved. Make no mistake, I'm not ready to have my swing videoed for golf digest or anything lol But I do believe getting the club in a much improved position, combined with giving my arms time to fall and shallow the club before the rotation kicks in fully, I can truly feel that the rhythm is better, without consciously trying to work on it. And my follow-through, which I also have not really worked on like I have the backswing and shallowing, feels so much better as a result. 👍👊
Love it!!!!
My favorite golf channel! Please please if you haven’t already, please do some videos on how the wrists and forearms rotate throughout the swing.
It’s in the works 👊🙂
Great video. My instructor has had my practice all three you reviewed. Club head covers under both arms. Last lesson a month ago was told rod hitting an impact bag.
The single most important thing in my opinion, that I learned from your guys videos: Weight shift. Specifically how much Tour players move laterally into their front leg, vs how much amateurs get stuck back. I'm watching this video, looking closely at the players pivots, and it seems like the down swing takes place on the front leg. It's not 50/50 at all. It's like all the joints are stacked at impact on the lead side.
Love it!
Great content again, as always! Always look forward to new videos from AMG, and re watch older ones.
Thank you!
13:17 Camilo Villegas had that hanging over in side bend at impact, it hurt my back just watching it on PGA Tour broadcasts about 8 years back.
5:18 Apart from the towel, how much shoulder external rotation is there in a full back swing? I remember you pointing out that the trail upper arm has internal rotation on the down swing approaching impact as in proper throwing motion.
There’s a good bit. The exact number varies depending on starting point and swing length.
Guys, for many years I was always envious of my father because he was a terrific golfer and I was, let’s say, a capable player at best. What probably aggravated me even more was here was a guy who didn’t take his physical fitness too seriously, had a beer gut and even being 24 yrs older then me could always out drive me until probably five years ago. I was usually in very good shape and flexible yet he still owned me on the golf course. Now, it all makes terrific sense to me. I was always the guy doing drills some of which you just talked about and trying to get crazy amounts of turn and then rotating a huge amount at impact. None of it worked and, as you eloquently describe in the video, screwed up my game for decades. A good golf swing seems much more attainable now that I know you don’t need to be a Marvel Super Hero to play good golf. Anyways, as per usual, I always feel better about my golf game after watching your videos. Kudos. 🤘 ✌️
Thank you for that story!!! I bet a lot of golfers can relate
Great video for me! I use the alignment stick drill whenever I feel flippy - and have often wondered about exactly this video addressed! Thanks AMG
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Thank you! I've been working on my right arm in the back swing, my right elbow was staying way to low and tucked. I've been working on this lately and this video confirms it, thank you!
great!
Thank you for your speedy reply. Any videos you can put out about what not to do is really helpful. Have you thought anymore about putting out a video about your favorite training aides? Thank you
I think we may start doing training aid reviews!
I needed that. Kind of found out on my own but I am really happy to get confirmation from you guys.
Ha you found out the hard way like I did.
I’ve find putting that my hands on the club ruins my golf swing.
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What about the drill swinging with a ball between the forearms? Saw someone who did this for a while and he began dipping significantly in the backswing, wonder if it’s related since it’s also an arm movement restricting drill?
It’s fine for half swings 👍
Awesome video guys. Amazing what clear concepts can do!
Never a bad place to start 😊
Great vid as always! Video Idea: do a feel vs real video. For example a live lesson where someone videos their swing and u ask them to only go to p2 (shaft parallel) then u show them the video and it’s actually a perfect top of backswing. Really eye opening ah ha realizations go a long way in development.
I like it!
Guys,
Agreed with all the positive comments below. Your fact/data perspective through GEARS really helps cut through the clutter.
Particularly liked the string of illustrations of where the pros are with tilt and ribcage rotation. Would like to see the hip turns added to these for additional clarity as to what is 'powering' (or leading) what - hips vs rib cage - to and through impact.
My (incorrect?) focus on working to get right shoulder 'all the way around' (so as to finish up and closest to target) may be contributing to striving for too much 'opening' to early.
Thanks,
Bill
Thanks for kind words! I’m hey mean a lot 🙏🏻. Here’s something to o keep in mind when thinking about the trail shoulder. At impact, it’s always behind (farther away from target line) where it started at address from the down the line perspective 😉
I really like the point Shaun makes about keeping the towel from falling for about the first half of the backswing and then having the arm lift let it fall from the arms. In an effort to make sure I have good arm lift in the backswing, I notice that in the videos I take from DTL, my arms get out across the swing plane very early (they go out from my body too much and too early), and it leads to compensations the rest of the way. So this will be a good one for me to practice!
Love it 👏
I laughed so hard. I did everything you talked about. I am done making a pretzel out of myself..thank you. Hahaha.
We've all been there too 🥨🥴
Have you considered putting force sensors on sides of club grip to see how and when pressure is applied?
Thanks and a happy new year.
Happy New Year!
9:32 i have this idea, where past impact I let the clubhead go and straighten the wrists to have a straight line from the lead shoulder down to the club head about a foot or two past impact.
Those impact position angles, especially the top view, are pure gold.
Glad they helped 👊🤓
Great video guys. I like I think lots of golfer over the years have fallen under these misconceptions of what the right thing is that we should be doing to get better.
Keep up the great work that you do, looking forward to your content in 2024.👍
Well said!
You guys make an incredible job of showing that the swing shouldn't be THAT complicated with PROOF from the best players alive. You're the antithesis of most of youtubers that are selling the idea of crazy body movement. Kudos for you!!!
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Can we see a video on rib sway? What the pros do and when? Does that help shallow the club if done right?
Outstanding video. What do you think about the pump drill or the drill where You put a ball between your arms? keep up the great information.
The ball is fine for less than full swings. We've seen lots of pump drills. Some okay and some not so good. Can you describe the one you're thinking about?
Hi Guys , great video shaun mentioned backing the Lead hip up @ 15.23 minute mark , are you saying this is cause of pulls ?
As i know I'm guilty of this sometimes and hit pulls. you were scanning through Ribcage & ribcage side rotation figures i would of love to see
the hip position numbers at impact, as i found it intesting , great stuff guys
Thanks for this! I've struggled with all these drills and always wondered "WTF?" they seemed insane and led to a lot of frustration and bad swing thoughts throughout my game.I hope I can erase these from my brain and get on with actually swinging properly.
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I'm not sure if it's just me but it looks like Mike has lost weight! Looking good brother!
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Agreed, way to go Mike!
I saw the same thing, keep it up Mike!
Looks like Sean has gained wait….. jk, love this video fellas!
Great video! Keep up the good info! ⛳️Looking good Mike💪
Guys, a great video again! But as an improvement, we're not able to look and understand 2 things at the same time and listen too. I'm talking about pro swings or gears data on either side and you demonstrating the other side. Great stuff as always!
Thanks for the feedback. Are you saying your left eye can’t watch a he left side while your right eye watches a he right side? 😵💫🙂
Great video guys. Thank you!
Thanks brother 🙏
Actually, drill # 2 is used by Tommy Fleetwood with a device called the TRS. It’s basically a stick attached to the end of the grip which accomplishes the same thing. For me, it’s dramatically improved my chip and pitch shots. Never use it though on a full swing.
Great video as usual Mike looking great! I know a certain instructor in the Scottsdale has sold a lot of hockey sticks for that horrible third drill.
😬😂 ouch
Hey guys! I heard Shaun mention in a takeaway video how he used tape on a mirror to train his takeaway during the off-season. Is there anyway you could make a video or explain that a little further (I.e how to place the tape to form the right swing plane)? Thanks so much!
Great vid as always guys! So many terrible drills. My personal fave of driving hands at ball
Haha
Gentlemen, Thank You Thank you for this mind bending perspective 😅and A Happy New Year! How should the impact bag you have sitting there on the floor be used correctly😢
Best way to use the bag is to hit with not much speed and put the brakes on as soon as you make contact with it
@atheleticmotiongolf so....how do you get the handle forward? Is it the rear hip turning?
ruclips.net/video/xIgaWMcCOYw/видео.htmlsi=c1KamZGTo9kkeSv9 🙂
Regarding drill No. 3 and the data you presented with the Tour players as you were discussing ribcage rotation and ribcage side bend. I wish you demonstrated the various degrees of rotation and what they would look like. Same with ribcage side bend. The data was fascinating, but I had a hard time visualizing each. The takeaway for me is that ribcage rotation and ribcage side bend should match up (basically). I just wish I could visualize what they looked like when they matched up at various degrees. Thanks for the video and hope you guys have a great 2024! 👊👊
Our next Pros vs Ams (I think next video) will cover that in loads of detail 😉
Nice video covering bad drills. It's ridiculous how many people are deluded into thinking they need to be more open at impact because of bad instruction they've been given. As you've shown no Tour Pro nor long driver gets into that bad contorted and open position at impact.
I don't know if you guys have seen the instruction by Mike Malaska where he has an alignment stick looped through his belt, and another along the club shaft, and in the downswing the alignment stick on the club shaft goes down and behind the one through his hips (because the arms lower straight down) which has the club pivoting and releasing through impact. (I think it's in both his invisible forces book and a video he did). It would be interesting to hear what you think about that drill.
Would really like to see a video on does the right arm pull the club more than the left, or should they be pulling equally. If they do pull equally, how do you prevent the chicken wing with the left arm?
People are not looking for the 'magic move,' they now look for the 'magic exaggeration'. One of your best videos.
Thanks for pointing this out
Thanks for watching! Happy new year 👊
Im so glad i found this channel
Is that Big Mike on the right side @10:23 ??? Clip stops short of his patented club twirl at the end 🤣
Big Darren would be very offended by that comment 😂
Impact is on the trail side of the body is a light bulb moment. Thanks for that imagery.
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Great video. I have clients who had tried all three and they just got worse. And I even purchased this thing called the golf swing shirt about 15 years ago never used it because Carmen shamed me out of using it so I threw it away 😂. Had a new client show up with one a few months ago wondering why he lost so much distance 😢
We golfers will try anything 🫣😄
On the 2nd one (the stick drill). I do think it’s an excellent drill for punching out from the trees and keeping it under branches and moving it down the fairway. Basically a rescue shot.
Which lets be honest is ton of shots per round for most amateurs. Me included. Lol
It is good for that 👊😊
Great video guys! Hey what do you think about the head on the wall drill for those that raise up in the downswing and/or backswing? Seems like losing inclination is connected to early extension sometimes? Cheers!
Could be good for those who need it!!!
AMG I need help and have a question on something that has always confused me. (As a right handed golfer) After my initial shift slightly off the ball during the take away, should I begin shifting some pressure back into my front foot again at, or just after left-arm parallel in the backswing? Or is that too early? I've always been confused by what point in the backswing I should start to put pressure back into my front foot in order to prepare for the weight shift at the top of the backswing. Thanks!
Just let it fall back to the middle(50/50) as your club starts pointing at the target towards the end of your backswing. Keep it simple, it’s more subtle than what a lot of golfers are trying to do 👊
The third one is actually quite similar to the merry go round drill created by Porzak Golf...
best golf content out there
thanks!
Have you ever recommended the drill where you have a stick or similar under the trail armpit, and you try to keep the lead arm up against this stick all the way down to delivery? So the trail arm extends (and lowers), but the lead arm stays "up" longer.
We haven’t.
Thanks guys 👍
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I love all the information!! SOMEONE PLEASE help me to understand how to make a divot (compression) in front of the ball with irons, when the body is tilted away (seems so backwards)
My
Mind can’t comprehend. Thanks
Pivot, shift , and wrist motion 😄. I’ll see if I can find a video that will help you
Matching rotation and side bend, light bulb went off. I think im trying to stand up too much, instinct to have good posture. Sometimes i accidently get the right feel, and im chasing it. This makes sense. I was hurting myself with the mismatch at night in bed sometimes felt a twinge, I got better but now I think I can get even stronger with this thought. Hey what do you guys think of the laser trick? Butch Harmon had a product. Someone else is selling one now. I taped a cat toy laser to a stick and at night i do swings along a line in my driveway. Then flip it over to do second half of swing, i need another laser. It really helped with my swing plane, and automatically made me recenter at the top, wonder what you think of that? Cheers
Glad it helped!
The laser can be good when used from 3/4 to 3/4.👍
@@AthleticMotionGolf awesome thanks for that tip!
Please correct me if I’m
Wrong Legends but what I’m getting from these is that people
Are doing these three drills wrong.
As discussed in the video we should do:
1. Towel drill only waist to waist if the pin is to keep the towel in place.
Above the waist swings we actually look for towel to drop.
2. Rod
Extension drill only to impact, not an inch past.
3 the “hockey stick”
Drill just taking the downswing down only until the stick is parallel to the ground to Learn where the rib cage should be. Just a little open the rib cage.
I’m Just reordering what you said in the video,
Which I though all three thought were genius.
As an amateur learning, i almost always over do mechanical pointers- usually so i can feel it. I’ve learned to feel pointers by slow motion swings
Most golfers do. Your on the right path with the slo-mo work 👏
Number 2, with dragging the club through the ball...
For me the eye opener was the idea that all this "do not scoop", "do not cast" advices do not mean "do not release your wrists".
Many golfers completely stop releasing they wrists, and when they start swinging driver - they struggle to reach 80 mph club head speed, coz they drag the club through the ball.
It means "release your wrists LATER and FASTER".
And the most difficult thing is to time the swing and wrists release right... Especially when you trying to swing faster.
absolutely
The club is being thrown is such timely advice for me. I've ended up with a sore back because almost all instructions these days ask you to 'hold on' to the wrist angles to infinity and beyond! 😛
Been right there with you 😓. Set it free! 👊🙂
i do have questions about wrist angles though. 1. You have to rotate the wrists more with longer clubs, correct? You can get away with less face rotation with clubs up to 8 or 7 iron I feel. 2. As we rotate the wrists, the club starts delofting (reduced shaft lean), correct? @@AthleticMotionGolf
@@zh7646 timely question 🙂. Check out this Instagram video we posted yesterday instagram.com/reel/C1kqT3rOsKF/?igsh=Z3I2dTk0aTEweWVs
Those numbers are for 7 irons and will give you a sense for how much roll, hinge, and cupping takes place in the release.
Would the terminology pining the right elbow to the right side cause fanning the club.
It could yes
I just discovered the faults of the towel drill last week. I was keeping my arms and elbows in especially during the down swing. All I could to compensate it was cause my lead arm to chicken wing. I'm calling it T-Rex golf, long legs with short flailing arms.
What do you guys think about how the good players' head/ eye lines are looking behind the ball at impact? I know there are exceptions like Duval but the majority seem to be the opposite.
There are definitely some great ones who do both. Eye lines with good players are all over the place lol. Eye dominance is probably a big factor.
I tried the alignment stick on the the handle for a few weeks. Even bought the Callaway training aid that attaches to the end of the club. It gave me severe bruises on my abdomen from slapping into me on the release. People would gasp when they saw the bruises 🤣
If you do have an issue with a flip is the stick drill a good exaggeration drill to feel the opposite, even though it isn’t reality? Or is there a better way to fix it?
Good question. Still not one we’d recommend as it doesn’t fix what causes a flip. Golfers don’t flip by choice, they do it because it gives them the best chance to hit it towards the target. Fixing the cause is a much better option.
Do you have any studies showing where the butt of the club points to during the back and down swings? Laser pointers are available that connects to the butt of the club.
We can do it in real time with gears
@@AthleticMotionGolf Do you have any existing videos that touch on this?
I have trouble rotating my hips properly? is it possible to not rotate your hips if you take the club away with your chest? by using just my arms to take away the club it's cheating to make a turn, thus inhibiting my hip turn. it seems with an upper body takeaway it's almost impossible not to turn the hips. can you do a video on this if I am correct?
You are correct 👏. Let your chest turn your hips 🙂
Truth via Measuring 🔥
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Omg I did that towel drill with a full swing for years! Ugh…I’ve wasted so much time on the wrong things. Great video. Mike - have you lost weight??
He’s lost a lot!! Looking slim
I struggle with firing my chest and shoulders from the top, do you have a drill to help combat this?
We can do a video on that 👊
You guys are the GOAT! The swing system has been more helpful than any lesson I've ever taken.@@AthleticMotionGolf
Knew it Full House! HTF am i shooting my best scores ever!
Yep towel drill ruined me for a long time,gave me an over connected heaving sway! but still got down to 11hcp cos i was lethal 100yds and in
I am still proof u dont need a great swing to play great golf!
It’s still a game about getting it in the hole first 👊🙂
Remeber the "Swing Jacket?" I remember how confining that was and how I tweaked my neck on a full swing....
Had one 🫣
Guys burning question : noted in a vid you said the club head should be pointing up at first parallel, but it shouldn’t it be slightly closed and parallel to the spine angle? If it’s pointing up wouldn’t the face be open and would have to flip?
For everyone, even players like DJ, the face opens ~90 degrees in the backswing. We see players do better when that opening happens gradually from the start. Players who try to keep that from happening early typically flop it open late - not good. Slightly less than toe up is what we most often recommend. Remember, this is no relationship between the spine and club face, and there has never been a face that doesn’t open in the backswing.
One thing that stands out with alot of these drills and body positions thats being taught today is that people are too concentrated on their body, arms, and hands. They are forgetting that the clubhead has to hit the ball. Whether it is the towel drill, holding lag through impact, or the hockey stick drill, none of those drills allow you to consistently get the clubhead back to the ball.
That doesn’t magically just happen? 😉. Great point!
Think with the towel drill it’s just used by people who may not need it, mainly for players who have to much arm lift, and where you set the arms doing the drill matters
You mention that the pull is the new slice. I'd love if you would delve into this topic in greater detail! What are the commonalities that you are seeing which cause this phenomenon?
Bowing of the lead wrist and shutting the clubface are being over taught
Going beyond, I think is due to the exagerated poses some teachers apply to get the distinct difference between what amateurs do compared to high level pros do.
The lower tour professionals would be better comparision, but you don’t get those pics on the internet. It also should allways be a good idea to say, this is not, what you wish to acomplish, but to show, what the feeling should be, cause the difference in feel is really big compared to what really happens.
Drill 1 was designed for a golfer like Nick Faldo a 6 foot 3, 6 foot 4 golfer to make that b/c he needed control for the height of his shots. Not for a 5 foot 3 like me who needs more extension to hit the ball farther.
Oh No! used to do drill 1 and still do drill 2!!!!
God bless you haha
I know this is probably out of you guy’s realm, but I feel like all my golf issues are mental at this point…do you have anything for that?
I’ve been playing for many years, and was never very consistent until 2021-2022, where I averaged 85.6…in 2023 I broke 90 once, and shot over 100 several times. The only thing I can contribute it to is a mental block when I get over the ball. HELP!
usually the mental game improves once the mechanics are better and you are hitting the ball solid and consistently. You should take a Trackman combine to see what you can score on that test. It will give you a good baseline for your ball striking. Do that then report back here and let me know your score on the combine.
@@AthleticMotionGolfthank you for your response. Here are my Trackman numbers: Total 51.1 - 19 HCP
60 yds 56.7
70 yds 52.2
80 yds 23.3
90 yds 55.8
100 yds 51.2
120 yds 55.7
140 yds 50.2
160 yds 46.2
180 yds 60.7
Drive 58.8
I have used every one of these drills. With catastrophic results)
@@sw-sq5gk unfortunately you’re not alone 😬 Is there something you’re struggling to do that we can make a video to help with?
Lot of folks would say Bryson is casting in that slow mo video you included 😂, seems likes he’s trying to release the angles as quickly and powerfully as possible
Crazy times we live in 😂
So what are good drills?
Ok Drills i do Y or N! pls
Rope swings (done these for years)
Step Drills
Lead leg flamingo drill
Soft ball between forearms (find this hardest to do)
1. Y
2. Y, If done correctly
3. Y
4. Y for half swings
@@AthleticMotionGolf Thanks! HNGY