@@seltersaar3512 Even with a relatively good opsec you're never 100% safe while doing these things and trying to extorque money from pretty much all the biggest criminal organisations on this planet might not be a very good idea, especially if you are already rich...
@@seltersaar3512 Dunno. More likely one of incognito team doesn't get the cut they were expecting. Or makes a slip up and spills. I can foresee a BarelySocialable vid in a couple years, tracing mysterious crypto transfers following a pattern of tortured and dismembered bodies...
It only takes one vendor to pop one off, if you know what I mean. It's sad that that dark marketplaces have stooped to this low level, instead of making legit money on transactions. This will surely erode confidence in black markets. smh
I think bc they dont have anything to gain from scamming you again. They could prob just have a pgp in this operation and start a new market, to scam you again presenting the same sign so that you know it is the same dude
Money or not, the people who participated in that extortion should really hope they cannot be traced or identified. They just made themselves enemies of criminals, by snitching, massively. The best thing they can do is shut down the site, keep the money, and delete the remaining data. Maybe not even keep the money. Seriously. I wouldn't touch it.
The Incognito devs clearly have no concept of the suffering the cartel is capable of inflicting on their enemies. Being slowly “deconstructed” for days. Weeks even.
@@TheAwillz RUclips auto censors comments with certain words genius. Stop spamming. And your logic still makes zero sense. You have no idea what you’re talking about
@@electrified0I don’t think the qualified solution would be to disable WiFi networks or something - rather, to increase the authentication needed to add a phone key or something of the sorts. The phishing attack may not be preventable, but the fact that you can make a key for a 40000 car with no secondary authentication or notification even raises some red flags.
I really hoped they goofed their opsec, shitty people like that tends to have shitty associates, only a matter of time before someone is selling a doxx and from there its ezpz.
I'm just shocked that your comment didn't get deleted. I've said way less today and had multiple comments removed already and it's like that every day. I actually have this 30 second thing where my comment won't post for 30 s, like it's being analyzed or something 🤔
Makes me wonder if the operators of Incognito won't still screw over their vendors that paid the ransom by claiming that the data was deleted, when in all actually, it wasn't.
Not that their fuming customers have no disposable money to pay the best hackers to dox them. Must admire their confidence to get away with that... Good luck
I was reading some Dread forums about this as it happened. Incog admins made some very seriously dangerous and powerful enemies. We’re talking about flow of hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars disrupted - and to extort them? Yeesh.
@@angelodvornitzky767 ? There is ESL and EFL emoji etiquette now ? This is my first time, that someone told me something like this lol, i also can't care less about how i will choose to place my emojis on social media, this is no business enviroment that requires proper structing aslong as its understandable/readable. You are welcome to enlighten me with constructive feedback, if you think the right emoji placing matters that much on youtube :).
Encrypt and decrypt offline wtf. So people were using a market-supplied encryption scheme instead of using using vendor-supplied PGP keys????? If you do that, you're asking to get scammed.
I hate this modern tech that has more problems than helps. I am in my mid life and I want to keep driving a 'mechanical' car as long as I can. No fancy electronics. The less electronic in car the better. I want the sat nav separated from the car electronics, the same for dash cam. The same for a phone. And physical buttons, I want physical buttons to operate stuff on the dash board. Also a physical handle to open and close the door. Much more reliable.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 coco lords wont be selling in the "dark" web trust me. They already have connections and they dont sell directly to the end customer.
Such a very well made video, thank you. So much better than every single other video talking about the subject, you did actual research and came up with your own stuff, instead of repeating mainstream narratives, regurgitating same old talking points.
guarantee its people who dont really know, they just want drugs in terms of buyers. Ive heard so many stories about random teenagers and adults using them throughout the years. If someone just shows you tor you might not know is an instance that happens. But yeah this is a lesson learned. I had to learn many involving the state and jail growing up lol
@@basedmod2139 customers definitely do, there's not really any risk unless you're ordering copious amounts. I don't know why vendors would be worried tho since there's no reason for them to ever use an address for anything, and if they do, they're definitely not using auto-encrypt.
How can you betray your own customers like that? Do they have any decency? These marketplaces only work if you have a similar ideology, you do something illegal but at least you keep your mouth shut and don't drag your customers into the shit. Hopefully this kind of dishonorable thing won't become a trend, otherwise this scene will go completely down the drain
Would be poetic justice if one or more of the sellers on that site worked with actual crime families who in turn figured out who the operators were and reacted in a "different" way to this extortion. *cough* *cough*
I'm sure certain authorities (I want to say Interpol but don't, quote me on that one) would very much like to have access to that list of Incog clients and transactions.
Playing devil's advocate here, but I think the "card needed to authenticate car" thing could just be for the account and not phone itself, so it's just needed when you pair it the first time. But it's absurd that such a vulnerability exists in 2024, no 2FA whatsoever.
Based on my first hand observation, the key card is required to add a phone key through the car's interface, but since the security researchers are doing it remotely, these safeguards must not exist when adding a phone via API. Which makes sense to an extent, you can't really send a physical card over API, but they should absolutely have another form of 2FA like email/text at minimum.
I would love to see the facial expression of Musk when he are about to get into his Tesla to work and finds out that it was stolen just the way it was explained here. He is pretty good at shitting at other websites and software providers but can't even make his own shit work as it is supposed. He is for sure an evil alien, but maybe not as evil as his rival Jeff Bezos 🤣
thats the issue with bitcoin, its trackable to an extent. If this market ran on XMR or something it would be a lot easier to obscure. But these dark web owners usually get caught, one way or another.
7:35 so this is by no means exclusive to the flipper. A much easier way to do this would be to use something like a raspberry pi zero, and hide it somewhere in a power outlet
Yeah so now its easier to just copy other channels news and add shill ads for the sponsors... funny how the last 3 videos are the same news as other YTchannels a day later... Almost like an AI editor and voice...
Not a market I've used, I guess for good reason now. These always impact newer vendors the most. and lol... auto-encrypt genuinely dumb to ever use autoencrypt
In addition to avoiding any auto-encrypt functionality from closed source shady sources, I'd recommend against implying anything about using markets on the clearnet as standard opsec
Some people for sure payed up but how can you trust that they won't just release the docs later anyway or try to extort you again with the same info they don't have a good track record😂
It all seems like obvious LE psyop to make people doubt the markets, people who pay up just provide more evidence and confirm they seem to think they have something worthy of investigation, people will get scammed once again by them xD
LOL I USED THIS MARKET BEFORE and i definitely used that auto encrypt function even though i know how to use pgp stuff cos i'm so lazy. oh my god that's so funny, i don't even live in the same city anymore and i'm a small time drug doer with a fairly generic name so i'm not remotely worried, if anything i hope this somehow hurts the reputation of the god awful apartment complex i used to live in. this is hilarious
No sympathies to folks doing crime over the internet and not taking every step along the way to secure their identity or their customers. Just like any random individual or a large corpo getting hit with ransomware and their data siphoned, you're responsible for maintaining your privacy and you should not rely on what you cannot see.
The 3D printer "hack" is similar to something I did, almost 20 years ago, to a neighbor who left their Wi-Fi wide open, where I was able to access their personal devices. I left a txt file on their PC instructing them to secure their network before some nefarious party finds it.
extorting worldwide drug dealers lmao. these guys better have the best IT skills in the world to avoid the persecution from criminals with deep pockets.
Kind of hope that they messed with the wrong dealers, not because im personally invested but just because it would be sweet music in my ears, to hear about these scammers getting treated by a mexican cartel.
If your buying shit off these marketplaces, do yourself a favour and follow the PROPER opsec meta. Never trust the markets encryption its caused problems on numerous markets. PGP is so simple to use there is no excuse not to use it.
Extorting Drug Enterprises will surely turn out well.
I mean, this highly depends on your opsec and location.
@@seltersaar3512 I mean yea, this site was surely run by North Korea. Good luck in finding the owners there and getting retribution.
@@seltersaar3512
Even with a relatively good opsec you're never 100% safe while doing these things and trying to extorque money from pretty much all the biggest criminal organisations on this planet might not be a very good idea, especially if you are already rich...
They've done it before and they will keep doing it.
@@seltersaar3512 Dunno. More likely one of incognito team doesn't get the cut they were expecting. Or makes a slip up and spills. I can foresee a BarelySocialable vid in a couple years, tracing mysterious crypto transfers following a pattern of tortured and dismembered bodies...
They made a lot of enemies all over the planet... and not the type that will sue you.
does make you question if it's just been L.E all along otherwise they're risking a hell of a lot on never being doxed.
It only takes one vendor to pop one off, if you know what I mean. It's sad that that dark marketplaces have stooped to this low level, instead of making legit money on transactions. This will surely erode confidence in black markets. smh
Legalize it @@BillAnt
@@BillAntyou seem sympathetic
And nobody knows who they are
Who knew the operators of an illegal market would be dodgy
Everyone knows that. Exit scams are constantly happening. Delete your comment immediately.
It’s a fed psyop.
@@noone4474this actually seems more likely.
@@noone4474retard
@@noone4474 you don't seem to know how feds operate, they do not gloat they convict.
The “yes, this is extortion” part of the screenshot is so funny for some reason. No Sopranos shit here-they’re telling you exactly what’s going on
Love to see it. straight business.
For sure
True scumbags
@@YairDeR what upstanding fellows
Why would anyone pay to get whitelisted. They scammed you once they can just scam you again?
sounds like taxes
I think bc they dont have anything to gain from scamming you again. They could prob just have a pgp in this operation and start a new market, to scam you again presenting the same sign so that you know it is the same dude
@@hobrin4242except more money. Sell it, use it to target customers with purchase history. And verity of other nefarious things are possible.
@@hobrin4242 if you're willing to pay a $20,000 ransom, who's to say you won't be willing to pay again if they repeat the same threat?
how many relied on auto encrypt? of course many will fall for it
Money or not, the people who participated in that extortion should really hope they cannot be traced or identified.
They just made themselves enemies of criminals, by snitching, massively.
The best thing they can do is shut down the site, keep the money, and delete the remaining data.
Maybe not even keep the money. Seriously. I wouldn't touch it.
They just got exposed
@@catcoder12 Yep. Everybody knows, now. And at least one other person had been able to trace his real identity. Probably a good thing he was arrested.
The Incognito devs clearly have no concept of the suffering the cartel is capable of inflicting on their enemies. Being slowly “deconstructed” for days. Weeks even.
How will they find them exactly?
@@p8nisman-not bro not very subtle
@@TheAwillz What? Zero percent chance. What an absolutely illogical take
@@HCG bro…
If you wanted to reduce the amount of people using dark web vendors how would you do it?
@@TheAwillz RUclips auto censors comments with certain words genius. Stop spamming. And your logic still makes zero sense. You have no idea what you’re talking about
Good lord, the oldest wifi attack possible, come on Tesla.
Wait, how do you gaslight an EV? Aren’t they now voltlighting them?
How do you prevent users from falling for a phishing attack that requires them to manually connect to a compromised wifi network?
@@electrified0I don’t think the qualified solution would be to disable WiFi networks or something - rather, to increase the authentication needed to add a phone key or something of the sorts. The phishing attack may not be preventable, but the fact that you can make a key for a 40000 car with no secondary authentication or notification even raises some red flags.
With how its CEO is running Twitter, i am not surprised.
tesla is below mid anyways sooo good
2 groups of people you really don't wanna mess with: Intelligence services and people involved in the drug business.
intelligence service and drug business go hand in hand.
I'd rather pay the $20k to a... 'private contractor' to deal with the problem
I really hoped they goofed their opsec, shitty people like that tends to have shitty associates, only a matter of time before someone is selling a doxx and from there its ezpz.
cringe lol
I'm just shocked that your comment didn't get deleted. I've said way less today and had multiple comments removed already and it's like that every day. I actually have this 30 second thing where my comment won't post for 30 s, like it's being analyzed or something 🤔
@@bobanmilisavljevic7857stop dropping the N Bomb then
Almost all of people out these offering such services are scams. So you'd be scammed once by the fake hitman and once again by the website. Noice!
Makes me wonder if the operators of Incognito won't still screw over their vendors that paid the ransom by claiming that the data was deleted, when in all actually, it wasn't.
I had that thought, they admitted to lying multiple times already lol
either way your best option (if you can swing it) is to trust them, it's totally 100% in their hands
If u really have something to hide u really have no other option
Not that their fuming customers have no disposable money to pay the best hackers to dox them. Must admire their confidence to get away with that... Good luck
why would they have that money? regular people buy from there mostly ,bruh you have no idea it seems
@@dethimamekaipolla4487 yeah... Not a crackhead like you bruuh
Every thursday, I wait for you to upload so I can watch the video ❤ Thank you for making these videos.
Thanks for watching : )
💯 agree. Love the videos!
That jump cut to the Tesla being launched over the hill was gold 😂
Good job to whoever hacked the any cubic printers. Kinda a wholesome hack.
I was reading some Dread forums about this as it happened. Incog admins made some very seriously dangerous and powerful enemies. We’re talking about flow of hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars disrupted - and to extort them? Yeesh.
Imagine if feds step in and say "Extorting drug dealers is my job!"
This is your sign to finally start using PGP.
Nice try fed boy.
@@noone4474 no fed would ever want you to learn pgp
@@noone4474You don't know what pgp is, do you? If these vendors used it, they couldn't be blackmailed. They were lazy
@@noone4474fed boy? 😂😂
@@noone4474why and what is PGP
I felt kinda bad until they mentioned the auto-encrypt feature...
😂 indeed how stupid you gotta be to trust auto-encrypt as if manually doing it is hard or time consuming.
A lot of Schadenfreude for me 😂.
😂
@@angelodvornitzky767 ? There is ESL and EFL emoji etiquette now ? This is my first time, that someone told me something like this lol, i also can't care less about how i will choose to place my emojis on social media, this is no business enviroment that requires proper structing aslong as its understandable/readable.
You are welcome to enlighten me with constructive feedback, if you think the right emoji placing matters that much on youtube :).
@@angelodvornitzky767😂😂😂
“Amazon crime” as a user name is crazy😂
exit scamming on dealers alone is crazy in itself... why not extort them right? i mean its only the cartel n other large gangs.
yeah, but the cartels dont know who to go after. If incognito was properly successful the cartels cant kill someone when they dont know who they are.
Why do you think it’s cartels and large gangs? When in reality. It’s just one vendor who focuses on selling in the dark web only.
Encrypt and decrypt offline wtf. So people were using a market-supplied encryption scheme instead of using using vendor-supplied PGP keys????? If you do that, you're asking to get scammed.
I hate this modern tech that has more problems than helps. I am in my mid life and I want to keep driving a 'mechanical' car as long as I can. No fancy electronics. The less electronic in car the better. I want the sat nav separated from the car electronics, the same for dash cam. The same for a phone. And physical buttons, I want physical buttons to operate stuff on the dash board. Also a physical handle to open and close the door. Much more reliable.
Its going to be ironic when Pharaoh, whoever he is, ends up in a tomb. These aren't the kinds of people you want to extort.
They're gonna be too busy withdrawing from 20 yrs of continuous LSD and weed use
I can only say it again, incognitos ransom is the dumbest thing I've seen in a long time.
Unless it’s Psyop…
@@TheAwillz Hardly. You need to be extra dumb to mess with drug traders, unless you work for an governmental agency.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 how would you know unless your either or?
Brains not your specialty lad? 😂✌️
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 coco lords wont be selling in the "dark" web trust me. They already have connections and they dont sell directly to the end customer.
@@TheAwillzOkay bucko, time to get off your high horse for the day
Such a very well made video, thank you. So much better than every single other video talking about the subject, you did actual research and came up with your own stuff, instead of repeating mainstream narratives, regurgitating same old talking points.
That's why you always encrypt stuff yourself. Never use auto encryption.
guarantee its people who dont really know, they just want drugs in terms of buyers. Ive heard so many stories about random teenagers and adults using them throughout the years. If someone just shows you tor you might not know is an instance that happens. But yeah this is a lesson learned. I had to learn many involving the state and jail growing up lol
Vendors must be panicking now 😮😂
Not really
Doubt it, a vendor wouldn't share sensitive data with customers.
Doubtful that either vendors or customers used real names or addresses associated with them
@@basedmod2139 customers would have, depends if they used auto pgp or not tho
@@basedmod2139 customers definitely do, there's not really any risk unless you're ordering copious amounts. I don't know why vendors would be worried tho since there's no reason for them to ever use an address for anything, and if they do, they're definitely not using auto-encrypt.
the world is a scary place
thats like saying i could hack the fbi with the flipper zero, except by sending phishing emails from it
The flipper is more like a children's toy. It can not do much damage!
Pharoah got caught. He's earned everything he's got coming to him
i also found the ascii worm totally adorable
Thats one of the craziest ransoms ive ever heard of😮
How can you betray your own customers like that? Do they have any decency? These marketplaces only work if you have a similar ideology, you do something illegal but at least you keep your mouth shut and don't drag your customers into the shit. Hopefully this kind of dishonorable thing won't become a trend, otherwise this scene will go completely down the drain
Incognito: criminals doing criminal stuff to other criminals
Imagine trusting someone to do your opsec for you. Can't be me.
Would be poetic justice if one or more of the sellers on that site worked with actual crime families who in turn figured out who the operators were and reacted in a "different" way to this extortion. *cough* *cough*
operators were likely 3 lETter
@@HxThomison Perhaps, then the 3 letter got paid off and still will go after them.. double exit scam. ;)
2:09 thats how you get a contract on yourself lol RIP incognito staff!
Just legalise it ffs
El Mayo about to pull up on the admins
Older you get - more expensive the lesson.
Would not pay that one though, ungrateful bastards.
They won't doxx them, and this is just an attempt at exit scamming with the most crypto as possible.
I think it would be pretty great if we all called our respective lawmakers and demanded more strict cybersecurity standards for vehicles.
The fuxked up thing is you can bet this will be the new way to pull exit scams. Atleast by those that can explot users illegal history.
If someone gets them and really does something bad I wouldn't feel sympathy for them
I'm sure certain authorities (I want to say Interpol but don't, quote me on that one) would very much like to have access to that list of Incog clients and transactions.
Who thought it was a good idea to connect a car, plane, or train to wifi?
Playing devil's advocate here, but I think the "card needed to authenticate car" thing could just be for the account and not phone itself, so it's just needed when you pair it the first time.
But it's absurd that such a vulnerability exists in 2024, no 2FA whatsoever.
Based on my first hand observation, the key card is required to add a phone key through the car's interface, but since the security researchers are doing it remotely, these safeguards must not exist when adding a phone via API. Which makes sense to an extent, you can't really send a physical card over API, but they should absolutely have another form of 2FA like email/text at minimum.
Holy carp! Now we need an Incognito exit scam for the child trafficking rings.
And who's to say that the transactions of paying extortees won't end up being leaked anyways as a final "up yours"?
I feel like it’d be the reverse unless it’s tan by le
I would love to see the facial expression of Musk when he are about to get into his Tesla to work and finds out that it was stolen just the way it was explained here. He is pretty good at shitting at other websites and software providers but can't even make his own shit work as it is supposed. He is for sure an evil alien, but maybe not as evil as his rival Jeff Bezos 🤣
There are extorting people who deal with drugs my question is what if they fuck with the wrong person and that person tracks them down
thats the issue with bitcoin, its trackable to an extent. If this market ran on XMR or something it would be a lot easier to obscure. But these dark web owners usually get caught, one way or another.
@@nwerd7584 and plus people who deal with drugs don't like when their money gets stolen they want it back plus interest
7:35 so this is by no means exclusive to the flipper. A much easier way to do this would be to use something like a raspberry pi zero, and hide it somewhere in a power outlet
Could do it for even less with an esp32
watch the video again
Always check Dread before going on a market
Rui-Siang Lin or “Pharoah” of Taiwan was arrested following a HSI New York Task Force Investigation. He was the Owner of Incognito Market
your videos are amazing im so happy u got an editor to pump out more posts
Yeah so now its easier to just copy other channels news and add shill ads for the sponsors... funny how the last 3 videos are the same news as other YTchannels a day later... Almost like an AI editor and voice...
what channel@@mhavock
These guys are sizing themselves up for some cement shoes.
Well,they are in controll until they're not..And when they not,they are the one who will get a naughty suprise.
Not a market I've used, I guess for good reason now.
These always impact newer vendors the most.
and lol... auto-encrypt
genuinely dumb to ever use autoencrypt
In addition to avoiding any auto-encrypt functionality from closed source shady sources, I'd recommend against implying anything about using markets on the clearnet as standard opsec
how is the number of hacked printers not an integer?
i guess that's a typo of some sort
in western countries, a comma denotes thousands rather than decimals. His grammar was pretty poor so I just imagine he might have misplaced it
@@Brixster the thing is, there's also a space in there
( which is imo the only correct option.
. and , are too similar to have meanings so different )
april 1st being the due date before the leak is pretty wild
Just discovered this channel, excellent and interesting content. Thank you.
Is it safe these days to use markets ? I hate going to the streets because of fentanyl and tranq, I hate that bullshit.
Ya you just have to learn before you do it
🔥🔥Best Thumbnail on youtube. I legit learned from it. Thanks guys.
IoT the bane of security everywhere
How to get yourself a gasoline shower and a match to dry off 101...
The Tesla MiTM is pretty scary knowing you can do it with such a small device like a Flipper
So technically you can hack any device with a pen and paper, because you can just write a letter asking for their password.
When I have finished my book I want you to do the audiobook. :)
Some people for sure payed up but how can you trust that they won't just release the docs later anyway or try to extort you again with the same info they don't have a good track record😂
if you're that desperate you dont have much of a choice. Dont want to bust up big operations. But they obviously lied about deleting it before.
It all seems like obvious LE psyop to make people doubt the markets, people who pay up just provide more evidence and confirm they seem to think they have something worthy of investigation, people will get scammed once again by them xD
That exit scam is such a dick move! Savage hahah!
My vendor hasn't paid yet smh
LOL I USED THIS MARKET BEFORE and i definitely used that auto encrypt function even though i know how to use pgp stuff cos i'm so lazy. oh my god that's so funny, i don't even live in the same city anymore and i'm a small time drug doer with a fairly generic name so i'm not remotely worried, if anything i hope this somehow hurts the reputation of the god awful apartment complex i used to live in. this is hilarious
This is a very interesting channel. Good stuff. Subscribed.
using pgp is the most basic thing ever.. everyone who doesn't manually do it shouldn't buy online
The federal govt isnt going to appreciate someone trying to extort them
Holy shit I didnt expect incognito to exit scam, can't trust anyone.
Great video as usual, thanks 👍
No sympathies to folks doing crime over the internet and not taking every step along the way to secure their identity or their customers. Just like any random individual or a large corpo getting hit with ransomware and their data siphoned, you're responsible for maintaining your privacy and you should not rely on what you cannot see.
You should be talking about the police cyber alarm here in the UK. Idk if you have.
The only way I'd buy a Tesla is if all the wireless shit was ripped off of it. F that.
The 3D printer "hack" is similar to something I did, almost 20 years ago, to a neighbor who left their Wi-Fi wide open, where I was able to access their personal devices. I left a txt file on their PC instructing them to secure their network before some nefarious party finds it.
Wow that's very similar
Teslas do give new phone key notifications btw, doesn’t change anything tho
extorting worldwide drug dealers lmao. these guys better have the best IT skills in the world to avoid the persecution from criminals with deep pockets.
Yeaaaaa thank you Seytonic. Got my cyber news fix. Although the tesla part was already happening for a while.
I love the 3d printer hackers. They could have used this bug for much more dangerous ways.
I find it amazing that criminals ever trust other criminals. They are criminals, they think like you. Plotting and scheming all the time.
Kind of hope that they messed with the wrong dealers, not because im personally invested but just because it would be sweet music in my ears, to hear about these scammers getting treated by a mexican cartel.
If your buying shit off these marketplaces, do yourself a favour and follow the PROPER opsec meta. Never trust the markets encryption its caused problems on numerous markets. PGP is so simple to use there is no excuse not to use it.
PGP as in the security protocol?
@@joeytumbleson9723 yes.
They are insane if they actually think the $20,000 well not turned into another 40 if they pay
Someone is going to end up in a box
This is not what DPR wanted 😔
The triple threat
1Exit scam
2Extortion
3Don't remove users
What if it's all a bluff though
Interesting to see how this will play out
Who in the hell would give their real life information on sites like that?
I don't know why anyone would pay, they already showed they have no credibility so why assume they would live up their word to not dox you if you pay.
8:27 What the Flipper is even that?!
this is what I was always worried about, so I never bought anything on any of them.
It was fine
Drug organizations have enough money to hire they own hackers and cyber security team . Pretty sure they can locate the extortionist 😅
Is this why DBrand has a weird "Extortion" page now?
I got the evil captive portal on my flipper zero and it is scary easy and fun to use that evil portal, I even have the Tesla portal as well lol