Definitely not wrong about that 😂. Tho, this playthrough I've specifically dedicated myself to primarily using 3 magic schools to do 90% of fights, that being illusion, conjuration, and alteration. I'm avoiding destruction, and using standard physical weapons until later in the game when I can make broken enchanted ones. It's just something different to what I normally do, which is why it's so fun to play. Just gotta get my magicka and spell cost down so that I'm not chugging potions like an alcoholic mid fights 😭
@@unknownwanderer8732 I'm currently doing a no weapon, no armor, one lvl under legendary, magic only run. I have the magic overhaul that makes magic actually useful. I'm having fun!!
@@DimitrisVi it can be. Calm an enemy, go into sneak, walk behind the enemy, and one-shot it with a stealth attack. Frenzy spells can cause a whole bandit camp to hack each other to death, leaving a sole survivor for you to deal with however you want. Even the lesser used Rally spells give significant boosts to your party members and they're a must for any support mage kind of build.
@@Hueco-Oscuras I'm a little late but unfortunately armor rating has nothing to do with elemental damage. Doesn't matter if you have 1000 armor or 0, you'll take the same damage. Elemental resistance is only affected by armor enchantments, potions, or a few other sources. It's always percentage based. Just slap the "Resist Magic" enchantment on a few of your equipment and you can face-tank everything.
spell mods went to another level, my favourite is the "raise wall" alteration, literally raises a stone wall in front of you large and tall enough to get 50 m away of your target and blocks all dragon breaths and projectiles
Exactly what I'm playing this time too lol. Currently got standard vampirism ( not done dlc yet) and need to level restoration to get necromage perk, then I'll be all set.
In my Skyrim experience, I rarely use Illusion Magics. Mostly Destruction and Restoration. But indeed Illusion skills are fun. If I may say, in my opinion Destruction Magic is the most broken. I got my Enchanting Skills until can enchant "costs 25% less magicka on Destruction" Learns Thunderbolt, unlock Augmented Shock, Dual Casting, and Impact. I am basically can damages and staggers all targets alike with infinitely extreme prejudice and even works better with Silent Casting on Illusion School.
is what fireball looks like? YEOUCH! I remember fighting some mage in some dungeon, at point blank range, and my warrior build got killed by it twice before I figured out how to get the bugger without too much effort to adapt, but dang was that fireball powerful!
Definitely build towards lower magicka costs, or find master robes of illusion or something. Can rely less on potions and when you combo this with the bend will shout and master spells, you’ll be untouchable theoretically
Illusion is fun, but the spells starts getting less effective as your level rises. Basically, to have Illusion build work well, you must have the lowest level as possible.
Replayed Marrowind and Oblivion, can do this in Oblivion pretty early on up to lvl 15 and then at 50 you can do 25, this method with conjuration I have no troubles. if it magically does get hairy just go invis
Then you hit level 30 and your illusion spells never work again. The real sucky thing is that if you get mods so your spells scale up, the game eventually becomes trivially easy as you watch the bad guys fight each other or you just calm all of them. Illusion is only fun early game no matter what you do.
@@hgjgf-d2n not really, there are BARELY any enemies who are above lvl 50, like Nightmaster Vampires (but they get countered by the Necromage perk) And those who do, tend to be unique NPCs like the Ebony Warrior and the random Farmer bringing a cow to a giant's camp.
@@thatskeletordude5271 You're right, my bad. You just have to dual cast your strongest spells and you can calm the first couple bandits in a random cave. I guess illusion is a GREAT school of magic and really well designed after all. I love level scaling!
i reached endgame and decided to max all my magic since ive played this game for like 1000 hours but never did a mage build, ant let me tell you, using magic in skyrim is extremely unrewarding and way too grindy. too many potions unless you are using the resto loop (which i am, so infinite magicka and its still way too slow to win fights). i dont want to make some stupid high power magicka gear that one shots, but i have no idea how youre supposed to do an actual mage build without having 100 potions on a hotkey
The only problem I have with magic is that the damage levels off in the endgame. There's no spell crafting and damage doesn't scale with level, so once you get above level 50 offensive spells become quite weak. You can eventually overcome the magicka costs with the perks or with enchanting gear so you have zero casting cost in a school of magic.
Dragonborn's soul is so weak that you cant even fight lesser daedra in spirit form, but Hero of Kvatch on the other hand was so powerful that he could fight Umaril the Unfeathered in close quarters combat and win. Everytime i wonder why skyrim is written this way, i remember that the game's main theme is Decay
Too much pausing, selecting, switching in mage builds to be fun. It’s just constant flow interruptions. It can be kinda fun if you could set potions you have in inventory to refill your bars automatically when less than required for a spell, if you have them in inventory. It makes zero difference to have it that way and pausing manually. Would change the class completely
if you put potions in favorite you can set an hotkey to use it without going in the menu, if that’s your main problem with mage builds that should probably fix it
@@ReallyFost logical thing to mention, however, the fun part of mage builds is being able to cast powerful spells. As a primarily console gamer with a controller, you want to reserve the favorites for spells, not potions, is all I’m saying. It’s an easy update to add potions to an auto refilling menu, even soul gems assigned to auto refill whatever weapon you have equipped. There should be no reason a player has to pause a game in action. Only a geek developer wouldn’t think to do that to improve the flow of the game. Sitting in a chair and coding is what they’re good at, designing isn’t one of those skills. Even double tapping left or right on the d pad could have brought up more weapon/menu options
I wasn’t completely aware of how favorites work on controller and if you still don’t like it or it doesn’t work that’s fine. I’d like however to do a last proposition, make very strong enchanted gear, it makes it so you don’t need to drink potions, or at the very least much less, the only problem is that it won’t work at the beginning so it might take a bit of a grind leveling enchanting.
"Illusion is broken" *uses 5 potions and misses a daedra heart to accomplish what a melee build could have by spamming one button in half the time*
Stealth archer could've done it in a handful of shots. But Illusion *IS* fun; I love making the bad guys do all the work. =^[.]^=
Definitely not wrong about that 😂.
Tho, this playthrough I've specifically dedicated myself to primarily using 3 magic schools to do 90% of fights, that being illusion, conjuration, and alteration. I'm avoiding destruction, and using standard physical weapons until later in the game when I can make broken enchanted ones.
It's just something different to what I normally do, which is why it's so fun to play.
Just gotta get my magicka and spell cost down so that I'm not chugging potions like an alcoholic mid fights 😭
@@unknownwanderer8732 And Harmony makes leveling Pickpocket an absolute breeze! =^[.]^=
I think you're wrong when it comes to legendary difficulty though. Melee is hard to work in versus magic users.
@@unknownwanderer8732 I'm currently doing a no weapon, no armor, one lvl under legendary, magic only run. I have the magic overhaul that makes magic actually useful. I'm having fun!!
Random bandit is too strong for frenzy!
Well of course it’s broken, I cast invisibility and everyone continues to attack me
Illusion isn't broken, but it can be hilarious.
@@DimitrisVi it can be. Calm an enemy, go into sneak, walk behind the enemy, and one-shot it with a stealth attack.
Frenzy spells can cause a whole bandit camp to hack each other to death, leaving a sole survivor for you to deal with however you want.
Even the lesser used Rally spells give significant boosts to your party members and they're a must for any support mage kind of build.
This mission along with sunder stone gorge is why I use become etherial every time I play skyrim.
I just visited Sunderstone Gorge (playing Skyrim again since 2014ish). Holy fireball, that place was insane.
@@benharder7816 RIGHT!!! I died 4 times trying to play that. And I had dragon bone armor and weapons.
@@Hueco-Oscuras Dragon bone is worse than daedric when it comes to armor. So maybe you should try to use daedric instead.
@@MiraakUnofficial it's not even that big of a difference. And I still don't know why it isn't level 100 if it is better.
@@Hueco-Oscuras I'm a little late but unfortunately armor rating has nothing to do with elemental damage. Doesn't matter if you have 1000 armor or 0, you'll take the same damage. Elemental resistance is only affected by armor enchantments, potions, or a few other sources. It's always percentage based. Just slap the "Resist Magic" enchantment on a few of your equipment and you can face-tank everything.
spell mods went to another level, my favourite is the "raise wall" alteration, literally raises a stone wall in front of you large and tall enough to get 50 m away of your target and blocks all dragon breaths and projectiles
Oh crap. I will try that
@@tgnm9615 The name of the mod that adds that spell is "Apocalypse Magic of Skyrim"
my fav tree every new console it comes out on this is the first build i play for old times sakes, play as a necromage vampire and its beyond broken.
yes@@im_cart8656
Don't answer Cart's question. You'll disappoint me.
Exactly what I'm playing this time too lol. Currently got standard vampirism ( not done dlc yet) and need to level restoration to get necromage perk, then I'll be all set.
thats awesome, hands down my most favorite build.@@unknownwanderer8732
Games about killing dragons:
(Illusion doesn't work on Dragons)
Definitely broken
But you can make them never see you and kill them with other spells without them even knowing (they always land back on their spots lol)
game definitley is not about killing dragons.
You either cheat or you don't play on legendary
@@zjamieibzjamieib145 you're clueless
@@Billy_Herrington1969 How? Illusion and sneak don't scale so it means they're OP on harder difficulties
In my Skyrim experience, I rarely use Illusion Magics. Mostly Destruction and Restoration. But indeed Illusion skills are fun.
If I may say, in my opinion Destruction Magic is the most broken. I got my Enchanting Skills until can enchant "costs 25% less magicka on Destruction"
Learns Thunderbolt, unlock Augmented Shock, Dual Casting, and Impact.
I am basically can damages and staggers all targets alike with infinitely extreme prejudice and even works better with Silent Casting on Illusion School.
Illusion doesn't scale with how the enemies scale level-wise.
I forgot how calm this is, got used to the Requiem version of this fight.
I dedicated a whole play through to non lethal magic once, it was fucking hilarious.
is what fireball looks like? YEOUCH! I remember fighting some mage in some dungeon, at point blank range, and my warrior build got killed by it twice before I figured out how to get the bugger without too much effort to adapt, but dang was that fireball powerful!
Zzz
"I'm going to pull out. Brace yourself." Nelacar whispered into the Dovahkiin's ear.
Definitely build towards lower magicka costs, or find master robes of illusion or something. Can rely less on potions and when you combo this with the bend will shout and master spells, you’ll be untouchable theoretically
Illusion is fun, but the spells starts getting less effective as your level rises.
Basically, to have Illusion build work well, you must have the lowest level as possible.
The only way one can comfortably play mage in early-mid game at legendary difficulty
Man, I always die at least a dozen times on that fight for some reason
illusion underrated frfr
I just maxed out stealth at level 20 and hid in a corner spamming arrows 😅
Replayed Marrowind and Oblivion, can do this in Oblivion pretty early on up to lvl 15 and then at 50 you can do 25, this method with conjuration I have no troubles. if it magically does get hairy just go invis
na your just to fucking smart for your own good :P
Why my D pad is broken in Skyrim
I don’t think I’ve ever used frenzy.
What is the name of this quest?
Its "The Black Star"
You unlock this quest heading to the shrine of azura and talking to the priest beneath the statue
What a noob
Thinks she can play
Because she’s a hot asian
Skyrim belongs to the Nords
Broken? Seems to be working fine despite magica issues.
Crazy bro
Where IS this located?
Part of the "The Black Star" quest, you start it on the Shrine of Azura
Then you hit level 30 and your illusion spells never work again.
The real sucky thing is that if you get mods so your spells scale up, the game eventually becomes trivially easy as you watch the bad guys fight each other or you just calm all of them. Illusion is only fun early game no matter what you do.
Have you heard of Dual Cast ?
@@thatskeletordude5271 Ohhhh shit sorry now your illusion spells only start being completely worthless at level 50 my bad
@@hgjgf-d2n not really, there are BARELY any enemies who are above lvl 50, like Nightmaster Vampires (but they get countered by the Necromage perk)
And those who do, tend to be unique NPCs like the Ebony Warrior and the random Farmer bringing a cow to a giant's camp.
@@thatskeletordude5271 You're right, my bad. You just have to dual cast your strongest spells and you can calm the first couple bandits in a random cave. I guess illusion is a GREAT school of magic and really well designed after all. I love level scaling!
@@hgjgf-d2n I'll take Skyrim's level scaling over Oblivion's that's for sure (Although Illusion is MUCH better in Oblivion)
What quest is this????
Azura's daedric quest.
Illusion is actually broken in lore
Average build for legendary diff, permadeth survival no potion no smithing playthrough
i reached endgame and decided to max all my magic since ive played this game for like 1000 hours but never did a mage build, ant let me tell you, using magic in skyrim is extremely unrewarding and way too grindy. too many potions unless you are using the resto loop (which i am, so infinite magicka and its still way too slow to win fights). i dont want to make some stupid high power magicka gear that one shots, but i have no idea how youre supposed to do an actual mage build without having 100 potions on a hotkey
The only problem I have with magic is that the damage levels off in the endgame. There's no spell crafting and damage doesn't scale with level, so once you get above level 50 offensive spells become quite weak. You can eventually overcome the magicka costs with the perks or with enchanting gear so you have zero casting cost in a school of magic.
DEEDRA!
You should try illusion and alteration with Ordinator mod 😂 i sure your game will broken
Dragonborn's soul is so weak that you cant even fight lesser daedra in spirit form, but Hero of Kvatch on the other hand was so powerful that he could fight Umaril the Unfeathered in close quarters combat and win.
Everytime i wonder why skyrim is written this way, i remember that the game's main theme is Decay
I just stealth archer sniped him from the bridge. In and put 10 seconds
Spellcheck
Wow. So original! What a fun battle it must had been! You truly must be one of the greatest Skyrim players of all time!
Illusion isnt broken, potions are. And crafting general. Haters gonna say those are store bought.
Coujter argument: wooden sword + fortify one handed -3431134567866%
Too much pausing, selecting, switching in mage builds to be fun. It’s just constant flow interruptions. It can be kinda fun if you could set potions you have in inventory to refill your bars automatically when less than required for a spell, if you have them in inventory. It makes zero difference to have it that way and pausing manually. Would change the class completely
if you put potions in favorite you can set an hotkey to use it without going in the menu, if that’s your main problem with mage builds that should probably fix it
@@ReallyFost logical thing to mention, however, the fun part of mage builds is being able to cast powerful spells. As a primarily console gamer with a controller, you want to reserve the favorites for spells, not potions, is all I’m saying. It’s an easy update to add potions to an auto refilling menu, even soul gems assigned to auto refill whatever weapon you have equipped. There should be no reason a player has to pause a game in action. Only a geek developer wouldn’t think to do that to improve the flow of the game. Sitting in a chair and coding is what they’re good at, designing isn’t one of those skills. Even double tapping left or right on the d pad could have brought up more weapon/menu options
I wasn’t completely aware of how favorites work on controller and if you still don’t like it or it doesn’t work that’s fine.
I’d like however to do a last proposition, make very strong enchanted gear, it makes it so you don’t need to drink potions, or at the very least much less, the only problem is that it won’t work at the beginning so it might take a bit of a grind leveling enchanting.
I use the “Magic Utility Spell” mod. And “improved favorites menu” for my mage build
Average build for legendary diff, permadeth survival no potion no smithing playthrough