Really feels like they overcompensated her buffs to make up for their lack of being able to fix her bugs. 90% of the problem with her is frustration from her power not working the way it should.
You’re not wrong but what could you do in terms of actually making her somewhat playable and decent i think a power cooldown nerf would be good but as far as the vault on the dog i feel nerfing it would just make it useless but thats me not sure what else would be nerfed
9:19 Do yall remember when they added the halloween blight serum addon for all killers and then Tofu made a whole video around getting tier 3 lock of hair myers with blight serum and then proceeded to never use the addon the whole video was supposed to be about? *I* remember.
@deathseekr1537 I was just making a joke regarding tofus stream last night, you'd get it if you were there, tofu talked about drugs in a part and a guy said that because of things he said about it. It was so weird
I personally think that Pyramid Head can do a similar level of cancel into m1 as far as the Chase command. And while I do think she is a bit over-tuned, I don't think she is as op as this looks. I think this is just because people haven't adjusted yet. After all, she plays completely differently from release, and she's not seen that often, I think given a month and a bit of a nerf to the vault speed, she wouldn't be that crazy, still strong but not busted
Tofu didn’t really use Search much, but in addition to being able to use it a bit like a Yellow Clown Bottle, if you use it at short distance midchase you can put the survivor into Houndsense for quite a long time and then that will trigger Deep Wounds when you hit them. (And remember that a survivor in Deep Wounds can’t use Endurance perks!)
@@eclipsedarksouls6036 If you already have Deep Wounds on you then Endurance effects like Dead Hard can’t trigger. (Which makes sense since the whole point of Endurance is that it puts you into Deep Wounds rather than a dying state if you get hit while injured. You can’t get Deep Wounds “twice”.)
So what happens at a pallet when you just wait then as survivor cause you can stun the dog off of you, so you get to pallet she pulls whistle, you just stand in the pallet now, if she lets dog go early you can either stun the dog mid dash stopping it completely or if it grabs you in the pallet then you just drop it after the grab and if you position yourself right you stun the dog 2. And if she cancels you obviously just drop
I think on top of making her cool down longer and making dog vault slower, Chase should have a minimum held amount to fill the bar before you can send the dog out, like Wesker and his dash. But I also think that is ALL she needs to be tuned slightly. Small nerfs to bring her into line with other stronger killers, not just destroying her back to C tier.
@@dawnsluna5702the only one i agree with is the cooldown not sure why the cooldown was buffed again but as the vault speed it could be toned down but it needs to keep some speed cause before the nerfs you could camp a pallet and have no punishment i feel like the dog vault speed is whats making her stronger but im not sure how much to nerf on it cause a full revert i think would make her weaker, but i would like to hear how to balance her kit.
Maybe how long the dog holds a survivor should be dependent on how far away you are when you send the dog idk it could could help with a little of the pallet issues
Maybe the dog should let go if you decide to kick the pallet? That way it's like a slinger gameplay where you can go over some loops but things like shack are not that easy mode
Arguably, wouldn't the counter to those stand offs at pallets would be just stand there? If you throw the dog at the survivor, they use the pallet to get the dog off. If you hold it till you get close, they throw it for the possible stun
I actually liked playing HM before the buffs. She’s still fun, but I’ve been playing her less because people give up even more than normal against her now :(
This was more about the survivor playstyle though. Survivors who greed and try to play pallets more get punished harder by search, and these survivors just almost never did that (other than the first chase on haddonfield that I missed out on)
@@OhTofu Fair enough. I would be interested in seeing more use cases of it though, if you end up thinking a follow-up video to this one is worth it at some point
Much like the Twins- her power potential drops considerably with good teamwork. Smart teamwork, anyway- the time commitment for freeing a survivor from Snug is nearly free.
It's really upsetting to me that they constantly overbuff killers after release seemingly in reaction to players complaining about having to learn them or waiting for bugs to be identified and fixed. I played 100 games with her prior to these buffs and had a 64% kill rate (higher than my overall 61% kill rate over the past two years). She definitely need bug fixes more than she needed this. Really hope they revert the Search changes if nothing else.
Scott Jund made a video saying "we should wait before deciding". I was REALLY wondering what he's waiting for. You can kick a pallet AND STILL GET THE HIT Scott. What more do you need to see? Everything about this killer is now busted.
@@thurvokun6571So just solely because of the mid map it’s killer sided? Isn’t there other factors like gen placements, hook placement, killer/survivor spawn, interaction with perks and killers? There’s so much more to it than just the pallet count in mid map.
it has been survivor sided for the most part of DBD history to be fair 😅but after many reworks, it is a now a small map (which is crazy considering how huge it used to be), the buildings are not even close to as strong as they once were, and the filler pallets are mostly on the weak side. So yeah it is pretty killer-sided now.
Myers house side of the map is literally deserted like the house does not spawn any pallets in it only one zonable one behind and the side have one or two semi unsafe pallets and middle has 2-3 pallets after breaking them literally 40% of the map becomes a dead zone and the houses have only 1 good pallet which is the middle one and other than that all the loops r weak
I owe Tofu and the rest of fu crew an apology.. while they did have to resort to cheap and boring strategies (gen-rushing) they still beat me fair and square. their brains are smarter than my brain. woof woof
Can we just enjoy a killer that isn’t Blight/Nurse/Sprit/Billy/Dracula in high ranks for a few weeks, we all know she’s going to get nerfed early next year.
I think if I play against someone like this I am waiting until the send the dog first and then stunning the dog. And if they are waiting for me then I’m wasting the killers time. And if they swing I drop it. It’s a different play style but just like a lot of different killers she just makes pallets a bit useless the original way.
I think we need to give it time for people to get used to her 1st before we throw the nerf hammer. Pyramid head can do similar stuff at pallets and windows. Let the good survivors figure her out because the cant bully you quit survivors just want her gutted. The community overreacts to things too much.
She is strong but these survivors played very poorly. There were many situations where most killers would have gotten a hit and camping pallets is not a good idea most of the time anyway.
hot take i know but she kind of needs all this to be viable with the design. if i had to guess, behavior is starting to bake more power into killer kits while keeping killer perks on the weaker side. also right now with the surge in dramaturgy/finesse builds it feels good to play her as a twins substitute :)
easy to use killer that breaks the game, compare this to a blight or nurse, blight and nurse need at least some sort of skill to be broken tier, but this killer is simple and it make it possible to beat people of much higher skill level than u are while using this killer. i had difficult games where i beat really good teams with this killer before the buffs, so when the killer was a very low tier i was still able to utilize the powers of this killer in a way, now obviously the killer was a bit underpower, but damn the buff they gave to this killer is pretty wild, i would honestly put her in S tier. when people will learn how to abuse this killer it will be game over. for example some people on huntress could make the killer look S tier because of how oppressive she is, on average she isnt S tier, but if truly mastered she can be, but this new killer on Average is high tier. S tier if mastered obviously with this broken antiloop. with 4 gen stacked perks she can be awful to verse. many people would still complain and say that she is bad or decent. well they can complain. some people like greens and some dont. but greens are healthy either way.
wtf is that grab animation as well, 4:55 you grab them by the literal back, like its a toolbox and why is the ass so weird in that grab as well. what Ai garbage spat this half made stuff out
She's not op, she's just very good. I am personally higher on the tier list, and the only op killer is nurse, if she knows what she's doing ,she is a goddamn cutscene of you losing
@VladDracula_Tepes you say a good nurse is a cutscene of you losing. But how is that different than a good Houndmaster? You throw the pallet you die. You loop you die. You hold W you die. How many times in this video alone did OhTofu say "there's nothing you can do"? If you can do nothing against a killer power, guess what? It's OP! Everyone agrees her buffs were overtuned like crazy
@@dobby9996I see what you’re saying but half the killers in this game do this exact thing, you leave the loop or you get hit, all you can do is try and waste as much of the killers time as possible, Artist comes to mind, you leave the loop or you get hit by a crow there’s no way around it.
@VladDracula_Tepes houndmaster can hit someone over pallets and walls, can gain a 50% speed burst for a significant period of time and synergises great with almost every perk/loadout/playstyle. What the hell is looking like a trailer man? I don't know the goddamn looping technique. Its called get the pallet stun to slow her down for 2 seconds then die
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Really feels like they overcompensated her buffs to make up for their lack of being able to fix her bugs. 90% of the problem with her is frustration from her power not working the way it should.
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You’re not wrong but what could you do in terms of actually making her somewhat playable and decent i think a power cooldown nerf would be good but as far as the vault on the dog i feel nerfing it would just make it useless but thats me not sure what else would be nerfed
Yeah but the hitbox on the dog was definitely needed and should be slightly bigger imo
This killer in a nutshell:
"What the dog doin'?"
Lol, imagine if the dog could drag survivors out of the hatch. That would be a salt mine
It was seeming that way for a second there LMAO
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Do yall remember when they added the halloween blight serum addon for all killers and then Tofu made a whole video around getting tier 3 lock of hair myers with blight serum and then proceeded to never use the addon the whole video was supposed to be about? *I* remember.
Snug's on crack now and its beautiful
Ok, and with that you just lost a viewer bye
@xLWxPhantom I'm not even a RUclipsr, I don't care about viewers
@deathseekr1537 I was just making a joke regarding tofus stream last night, you'd get it if you were there, tofu talked about drugs in a part and a guy said that because of things he said about it. It was so weird
@xLWxPhantom ohhhh I'm sorry
@deathseekr1537 no you're all good, I just saw the comment and saw the opportunity and the off chance you may have known what I was talking about lmao
I personally think that Pyramid Head can do a similar level of cancel into m1 as far as the Chase command. And while I do think she is a bit over-tuned, I don't think she is as op as this looks. I think this is just because people haven't adjusted yet. After all, she plays completely differently from release, and she's not seen that often, I think given a month and a bit of a nerf to the vault speed, she wouldn't be that crazy, still strong but not busted
Tofu didn’t really use Search much, but in addition to being able to use it a bit like a Yellow Clown Bottle, if you use it at short distance midchase you can put the survivor into Houndsense for quite a long time and then that will trigger Deep Wounds when you hit them. (And remember that a survivor in Deep Wounds can’t use Endurance perks!)
Wait? They can't
@@eclipsedarksouls6036 If you already have Deep Wounds on you then Endurance effects like Dead Hard can’t trigger. (Which makes sense since the whole point of Endurance is that it puts you into Deep Wounds rather than a dying state if you get hit while injured. You can’t get Deep Wounds “twice”.)
@@Bodyknock Oh brain fart i completely misunderstood, i read endurance and exhaustion. No f clue how i managed to do that
@ Lol, don’t feel bad, I accidentally typed “Die Hard” at first instead of “Dead Hard”, I think I had John McClane on the brain. 🤷♂️
if this is just how she is now, I'll probably stop playing her. It's a lot less fulfilling to make a good play with her now
So what happens at a pallet when you just wait then as survivor cause you can stun the dog off of you, so you get to pallet she pulls whistle, you just stand in the pallet now, if she lets dog go early you can either stun the dog mid dash stopping it completely or if it grabs you in the pallet then you just drop it after the grab and if you position yourself right you stun the dog 2. And if she cancels you obviously just drop
exactly this she has counter at pallets people just suck at this game and ask for nerfs constantly instead of adapting to killer powers
Exactly. She has tonnes of counterplay after the buffs, I don't think she's overtuned at all I think she's in a good fair place now
Alternate title: tofu abuses a dog for almost 30 minutes
That hatch part was incredible lmao
Tofu with another banger video
I think on top of making her cool down longer and making dog vault slower, Chase should have a minimum held amount to fill the bar before you can send the dog out, like Wesker and his dash. But I also think that is ALL she needs to be tuned slightly. Small nerfs to bring her into line with other stronger killers, not just destroying her back to C tier.
So raise the cooldown back up to 4 or 5 seconds and raise dog vault speed from 0.4 to 0.6?
@dineez627 yeah pretty much. I definitely agree with Scott Jund's video on Houndmaster's current state.
@@dawnsluna5702the only one i agree with is the cooldown not sure why the cooldown was buffed again but as the vault speed it could be toned down but it needs to keep some speed cause before the nerfs you could camp a pallet and have no punishment i feel like the dog vault speed is whats making her stronger but im not sure how much to nerf on it cause a full revert i think would make her weaker, but i would like to hear how to balance her kit.
Maybe how long the dog holds a survivor should be dependent on how far away you are when you send the dog idk it could could help with a little of the pallet issues
Maybe the dog should let go if you decide to kick the pallet? That way it's like a slinger gameplay where you can go over some loops but things like shack are not that easy mode
Arguably, wouldn't the counter to those stand offs at pallets would be just stand there? If you throw the dog at the survivor, they use the pallet to get the dog off. If you hold it till you get close, they throw it for the possible stun
I find HM really fun to play, even before the buffs, so I hope they don't completely gut her next patch just to compensate for these insane buffs
I actually liked playing HM before the buffs. She’s still fun, but I’ve been playing her less because people give up even more than normal against her now :(
I think having such issues showing how "strong" the Search during chase kinda contradicts how supposedly strong using Search in chase is
This was more about the survivor playstyle though. Survivors who greed and try to play pallets more get punished harder by search, and these survivors just almost never did that (other than the first chase on haddonfield that I missed out on)
@@OhTofu Fair enough. I would be interested in seeing more use cases of it though, if you end up thinking a follow-up video to this one is worth it at some point
Much like the Twins- her power potential drops considerably with good teamwork. Smart teamwork, anyway- the time commitment for freeing a survivor from Snug is nearly free.
Thanks for this video
It's really upsetting to me that they constantly overbuff killers after release seemingly in reaction to players complaining about having to learn them or waiting for bugs to be identified and fixed. I played 100 games with her prior to these buffs and had a 64% kill rate (higher than my overall 61% kill rate over the past two years). She definitely need bug fixes more than she needed this. Really hope they revert the Search changes if nothing else.
Ahh yes the ol “make op but in reverse “
Scott Jund made a video saying "we should wait before deciding".
I was REALLY wondering what he's waiting for. You can kick a pallet AND STILL GET THE HIT Scott. What more do you need to see? Everything about this killer is now busted.
That last game kinda shows that she isn't as broken as one is saying.
Can somone explain to me how Haddonfield is killer sided? Ive always been under the impression it was survivor sided
have u seen mid map, its a desoclate land, theres like 5 pallets on the entire map
@@thurvokun6571So just solely because of the mid map it’s killer sided?
Isn’t there other factors like gen placements, hook placement, killer/survivor spawn, interaction with perks and killers?
There’s so much more to it than just the pallet count in mid map.
it has been survivor sided for the most part of DBD history to be fair 😅but after many reworks, it is a now a small map (which is crazy considering how huge it used to be), the buildings are not even close to as strong as they once were, and the filler pallets are mostly on the weak side. So yeah it is pretty killer-sided now.
Myers house side of the map is literally deserted like the house does not spawn any pallets in it only one zonable one behind and the side have one or two semi unsafe pallets and middle has 2-3 pallets after breaking them literally 40% of the map becomes a dead zone and the houses have only 1 good pallet which is the middle one and other than that all the loops r weak
Forgot to say that the middle house isn’t as good as bad hams version also second floors r a free hit if u don’t run balanced
I owe Tofu and the rest of fu crew an apology.. while they did have to resort to cheap and boring strategies (gen-rushing) they still beat me fair and square. their brains are smarter than my brain. woof woof
10/10 throwback to the legend himself
Can we just enjoy a killer that isn’t Blight/Nurse/Sprit/Billy/Dracula in high ranks for a few weeks, we all know she’s going to get nerfed early next year.
I've only played against her like 3 times since she released. She's already a dead killer.
We're in a timeline where houndmaster is stronger than chucky 💀
I think if I play against someone like this I am waiting until the send the dog first and then stunning the dog. And if they are waiting for me then I’m wasting the killers time. And if they swing I drop it. It’s a different play style but just like a lot of different killers she just makes pallets a bit useless the original way.
I think we need to give it time for people to get used to her 1st before we throw the nerf hammer. Pyramid head can do similar stuff at pallets and windows. Let the good survivors figure her out because the cant bully you quit survivors just want her gutted. The community overreacts to things too much.
She is strong but these survivors played very poorly. There were many situations where most killers would have gotten a hit and camping pallets is not a good idea most of the time anyway.
The Houndmaster is still broken, I see
hot take i know but she kind of needs all this to be viable with the design. if i had to guess, behavior is starting to bake more power into killer kits while keeping killer perks on the weaker side. also right now with the surge in dramaturgy/finesse builds it feels good to play her as a twins substitute :)
Facts tofu
I love this killer so much, I've already broken into top 30s on the leaderboards.
But yeah, she's way too strong now, it's insane.
All they had to do was fix the bugs and she would've been fine
Nerfed again?
easy to use killer that breaks the game, compare this to a blight or nurse, blight and nurse need at least some sort of skill to be broken tier, but this killer is simple and it make it possible to beat people of much higher skill level than u are while using this killer. i had difficult games where i beat really good teams with this killer before the buffs, so when the killer was a very low tier i was still able to utilize the powers of this killer in a way, now obviously the killer was a bit underpower, but damn the buff they gave to this killer is pretty wild, i would honestly put her in S tier. when people will learn how to abuse this killer it will be game over. for example some people on huntress could make the killer look S tier because of how oppressive she is, on average she isnt S tier, but if truly mastered she can be, but this new killer on Average is high tier. S tier if mastered obviously with this broken antiloop. with 4 gen stacked perks she can be awful to verse. many people would still complain and say that she is bad or decent. well they can complain. some people like greens and some dont. but greens are healthy either way.
Good video
wtf is that grab animation as well, 4:55 you grab them by the literal back, like its a toolbox and why is the ass so weird in that grab as well. what Ai garbage spat this half made stuff out
That's a dead server
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I just teabag every Round Houndmaster. If I piss off an OP killer then I win. If I get tunneled out and spend 3 minutes in the game then I still win
She's not op, she's just very good. I am personally higher on the tier list, and the only op killer is nurse, if she knows what she's doing ,she is a goddamn cutscene of you losing
@VladDracula_Tepes you say a good nurse is a cutscene of you losing. But how is that different than a good Houndmaster? You throw the pallet you die. You loop you die. You hold W you die. How many times in this video alone did OhTofu say "there's nothing you can do"? If you can do nothing against a killer power, guess what? It's OP! Everyone agrees her buffs were overtuned like crazy
@@dobby9996I see what you’re saying but half the killers in this game do this exact thing, you leave the loop or you get hit, all you can do is try and waste as much of the killers time as possible, Artist comes to mind, you leave the loop or you get hit by a crow there’s no way around it.
@dobby9996 Houndmaster can't teleport through walls, you don't loop houndmaster like a trailer man. Learn the goddamn looping technique
@VladDracula_Tepes houndmaster can hit someone over pallets and walls, can gain a 50% speed burst for a significant period of time and synergises great with almost every perk/loadout/playstyle. What the hell is looking like a trailer man? I don't know the goddamn looping technique. Its called get the pallet stun to slow her down for 2 seconds then die
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