MOON miniature effects
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- Опубликовано: 27 дек 2024
- The late, Bill Pearson (RIP) and Steve Howarth talk about the miniature effects work for MOON (2009). Extended segment from Sense of Scale. Interview done in 2012. Photos: Steve Howarth, Bill Pearson. Check out Steve Howarth's books about his career in movie model making, "UP TO THE MOON and BEYOND THE MOON" available now!
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The "Moon" miniature effects are TOP NOTCH!
the whole movie is top notch.
I loved this movie before knowing all of this. Amazing
One recurring thing I love in all of these videos is how resourceful and creative these model-makers were, finding random bits of junk in the real work that worked as parts for miniatures. CGI is great, but you never get anything for free like that - everything digital has to be built from scratch. Both art forms have their pros and cons.
I just watched Moon the other night, and the model work still holds up almost 13 years later. It has never let me down with each viewing!
It's wild to think that the miniatures are what makes MOON really special for most fans, and that Jones gets all the credit for their implementation, yet he absolutely had no intention of using miniatures until Pearson made clear their potential and affordability to him.
Thats what I heard from Bill when I met him. All of Jones's films are nose-diving since Moon. One hit wonder..
@@cheeseskreist5654 gotta disagree, Source Code is a brilliant movie, every bit as good as Moon.
@@blackcatgraphics1483 We mutually disagree. SC was an extended Twilight zone episode, Warcraft a mess, and Mute just god-awful..
Yep, once again we were led astray by IMDB "Trivia"
@@cheeseskreist5654 Warcraft was awesome!
This whole time I was saying man wish more people would use the CGI Moon used it was fantastic! lol...this whole time it was Miniatures. I had no idea. No wonder it looked sooo good.
When I worked at Shepperton Studios I often visited Bill's workshop to have a chat and see what he was making. Such a lovely laid back guy. Rest in peace Bill 😥
RIP Bill Pearson! Thank you for so many great memories and movies! Your models spark so much inspiration!
I had no idea of his passing until I read this comment. Bill's talent and his crew made some of the greatest models ever. I hope that someone is saving his legacy. This man's work deserves to be in a museum.
Oh man, that's really sad news.
A tremendous loss to the industry.
My family had a model shop in East London and we supplied many plastic kits to Shepperton studios and the like. In fact the space shuttles in Moonraker, the Bond film were Airfix models supplied by us. I believe we even supplied parts for the early Star Wars films among many others.
Cool story. Thanks for letting us know.
I always loved model shops. They almost had a magical feel about them.
Oh, you were right down the street from the gun shop that has those beautiful 44. Magnum revolvers, 9mm Glocks that were gold plated and some of the AR-15s and AK-47s. Good thing you still have those self-protection shops to defend against those "immigrants". That only bring "diversity" with them. Cheers.
@@coloradostrong what on earth are you on about?
@@Ricardo-cl3vs Spittin' facts in those words.
That is really interesting Graham.
Funnily enough, just finished an Airfix Moonraker and stupidly added the 'piping' down the middle of the fuel tank which wasn't on the Airfix model only to find that it wasn't on the Moonraker miniatures... now I know why.
Bill Pearson is a living legend, and his portfolio is immense.
Pork Woofles sadly, he has just passed away at the beginning of March- so sad 😞
If you think about the amount of models and details, I thin 47k is dirt cheap, holy hell.
Seriously!
Could’ve easily doubled or even tripled the price and they would’ve got the gig and it would’ve been completely worth it. They undervalued their amazing work.
@@GnocchiTV Indeed. They had no idea of their true value. It's fucking sad that they were paid so little when they deserved so much more.
@@deadredeyes sounds like Nancy pelosi where she negotiate the stimulus payment down to 600 bucks when Mitch McConnell had power hell if anything he probably wouldn't negotiate her ass down too 60 dollars you got to know how to negotiate
@@deadredeyes it's kind of a crazy thing that all of the people who work on films (and games) make no returns after the production is over. It all goes, ad infinitum, to whoever paid these people the bottommost bottom line.
Hell of a movie. Brilliant work. Simple story, but good story.
A shout out to Steve Howarth for the MASSIVE undertaking of Model Shop Supervisor too. I can imagine very long hours, stress and deadlines to meet for the huge amount of miniatures to be constructed for the shoot. Bill was just part of a sensational miniature effects team. Proper old school stuff that's hard to beat.
RIP Bill. Thank you for all the memories.
. I appreciate this movie even more now. Who needs CGI when you got such great miniatures!
even better they are real not just ones and zeros
The CGI was needed for the dust.
@@Gambit771 True. But the vehicles etc are still models .
Yeah, people usually say screw CGI, but actually models and CGI together give the best results.
@@JeffShepherdphotosBut the models would look out of place without the dust.
Moon is one fantastic movie! When I saw it the first time, I couldn't believe what I was seeing! I still feel that scale models are far better looking than CGI. I have gotten so sick of CGI FX that it was refreshing to see Moon with miniatures! Bravo guys!
Apart from the CGI you don't realise it's CGI.
I love this movie. I was just about to watch it again tomorrow.
Miniatures win hands down every time...hats off to all involved
I hope practical and miniature effects never die. There's just something about the extremely slight "off-ness" that sells it in our minds that CGI cannot replicate at the same price point (or probably at all, imo)
Magic Camera, the company that revived after Cinesite closed, is still going at Shepperton.
"Off-ness?" In what sense? CG continues to have its own "off-ness" that turns people off from it. Uncanny Valley, etc...
Both CGI and models have their 'off-ness' and both do something the other can't.
Great video! Goes to show that a great movie doesn't need expensive CGI to tell a great story... Moon is a favorite of mine, a captivating story with great acting and a set that's just convincing enough. As a hobbyist model-maker, I truly appreciate the great work that these artists have done on the feature.
Well done. You def. fooled me., I didn't know it was miniatures.
The work they did on that film is superb.
Brickhouse Films My dad was the production designer on this film.
@@itsMrNoble that is super cool.
i had no idea moon was done with minitures, dunno why more movies dont do that it looked really good
Great little segment, but honestly after hearing _"Haven't you missed a zero on the end of it?"_ I'm thinking how many would've said _"OH, silly me, of course. My mistake!"_ lol!
This is part of the magic that is missing from most of todays movies. Thanks for posting this.
This film really showcases the excellent talent of Steve Howarth - the modelshop supervisor on this film. Who would have thought that toilet paper dispensers would be used on one of the models!
I literally had NO IDEA it was all miniatures. OUTSTANDING.
this movie is a masterpiece definintly a future classic
Moon is one of my favorite SciFi pics. I had no idea it was miniatures! Fantastic job!!!
6:00- did not notice that, lol. I DO always notice commercial kitchen floor mats as wall and ceiling covering in SF films. I think Kubrick started that tradition with 2001. :D
-also noticed the homage to Outland at the end of Moon w/the assassins arriving on the shuttle, which itself looked a bit like a piece of Con-Am 27.
Despite all the limitations with the budget, the film ended up looking great. The combination of the sets and the writing really did a great job of setting the mood. Haven't watched it in ages, this makes me want to see it again.
David Jones director, is David Bowie's son.
I enjoyed the movie Moon. One of Rockwells finest. The creative effects, especially the harvestor vehicle, is tops. Great job guys!
Directed by David Jones, David Bowie's son.
Mind blown. You guys are the bomb! Great job on all the miniatures and miniature effects!
The models made for MOON were just amazing, wish they were available as STL's as I'd love to build some of the props from this brilliant film
One of the model makers released a 1/6 scale version of the robot gurdi I think his name is but it's long sold out.
Found this fascinating. I didn't realise how much of the film was produced using miniatures and how cost effective this technique was.
Moon was the first movie my eight year old daughter sat still for and was captivated by in a cinema. Brilliant miniatures ... and as underpaid as the fellows that built the first R2D2 for starwars......
This was great... Moon is one of my all time favorites !!!!
Moon was fantastic - I'd love to see a decent remake of Silent Running
Good idea - that movie remake would fit quite well into the environmental challenges of today. But Hollywood doesn‘t like sad endings anymore.
@@roxair1 Holywood needs to wake up to the fact that happy endings are a lie. Sometimes you have to slap the faces of your audience in order for them to act responsible.
Loved this movie.
Amazing work for an amazing film.
This is a great little video. I love the craft of miniature making and finding out the ordinary every day objects they thrown onto them. Once painted and part of the models, you often never spot them!
It's amazing how easy it is to not spot such an object when it is completely out of original context.
Also, I love how the first part is very frank. No beating about the bush about how much they charged. Just comes straight out with it.
Wonderful film. Excellent miniature effects. This illustrates how miniatures and models are NOT obsolete, and how CGI is great for final touches and certain atmospheric effects and ambiance. I think miniatures can work without CGI, though CGI does add some "gloss" and realism.On the other hand, I don;t CGI on its own is convincing enough.
Another Great Video! legends of the modelmaking world. I know that Model Shop supervisor Steve Howarth had a huge input on that movie and I've had the pleasure of seeing the models he made for MOON with my own eyes. Amazing work.
If I was a millionaire, I'd love to buy the minis and scenery these gents built.. Great stuff.
You can’t beat practical “In-Camera” effects 👍
Fascinating documentary. Miniatures always look better than digital, I have never heard of the film MOON I will have to see if I can acquire a copy.
Great film! Directed by Duncan Jones (David Bowie´s son)
@@piercefilm Cool.
@@piercefilm I have ordered a copy, looking forward to watching it.
@@dogwalker666 you'll really enjoy it. Great little twist near the end and as laid out here, wonderful miniatures.
@@msh6865 thanks
If nobody spoke at all through this film I’d still rewatch it just for those awesome effects👍
Brilliant work. Brilliant film which had a huge impact on me. The miniature scenes were critical to the overall tone and feel.
Such an underrated movie. I had no idea what this movie was about when I sat down to watch it aside from it took place on the moon. Good movie. REALLY good sets and models!
This was fascinating...old school genius. Love these guys.
This is amazing! Great designs in the old school way, I love them.
An awesome movie, highly recommended.
Legends, I wish they all could make one more movie only with miniatures using all these guys. They are simply amazing
Unfortunately, Bill Pearson passed away, and most directors/producers today only want CGI.
Very good work, so much details 👌👌,
Most interesting video, thanks! The models are of stunning quality and realism.
I love the movie itself, it is sad but very interesting. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
@@piercefilm Thanks for sharing!
Fantastic insights, thank you for sharing this.
Thanks for watching! More coming soon.
Great video, what a creative geniuses!
I feel like people underestimate the amount of man hours that go into cg work, love miniatures and the way they look on camera, even though that look can be achieved with cg I hope the art of miniatures isn’t lost
No…no it can’t. I could watch people sitting on a computer creating 3d models/etc for an entire film and I’d still respect these types more.
Those miniatures are really cool!
Highly underrated movie and what an amazing man
just amazing work!
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I find it ironic that back in the days of TV shows like Babylon 5 in 1993 that they started to do CGI because it was cheaper than using miniatures and that in 2009 it's cheaper to use miniatures. If more studios went with miniatures now at these price points, I'll bet it would put pressure on CGI prices to come back down to earth.
There is richness you get from a properly shot miniature that only the best cgi gets.
Dude I love great practice affects over CGI. Moon was great sci-fi film!
Moon is a great movie.
Moon his all cylinders for me....it had TONE down, the visuals were top notch, and the actors played their parts perfectly. Rockwell gained allot of my respect doing this movie..he made it work.l
I really love these videos, just wish the audio mix was better. Still, thanks so much for posting these!
Well, you can't have everything perfect if it's free.
This makes me think of the effects crew for Space:1999. They did things in a certain old school way that depended on the quality of the models, lighting, and shot design.
such an underrated movie.
For what it is worth, out of my collection of approx 2200 DVD's, the movie "MOON" is actually in my top 10... I like the story plot, the "CGI" that I just now learned is miniatures, is amazing. Know what I am getting ready to watch next, now that I just learned all this... Well done guys/gals, if any...
amazing. LOve miniature work. I'm glad some directors are using it again. I guess cgi is not cheaper
Moon is amazing, didn't know he was involved in it.
Awesome. What a great film with such believable moonscapes and buggies! Cat litter haha...great stuff
OMG :D thank you for sharing
Perfect example of a film where every part was just right. The story, script, acting, models and visual effects (CG)
About the models vs CG cost, remember his price was only to BUILD the models. Filming them on a sound stage is more expensive and that's where other expertise is needed to make them look good. Even a great model will look terrible if it isn't filmed well.
I don't remember seeing a true science-fiction movie since this one.
Blade Runner 2049
@@jatigre1 yeah, I exaggerated... We could add Arrival also.
That is one of my favorite movies. The somewhat low budget added to the appeal of it.
One of my all time favorite movies.
Loved that movie!!
Wow, this is amazing, it's such skilled work, really impressive.
Moon is one of my favorite films and I was truly engrossed in what I was seeing; I much prefer real, physical effects.
He brings up a great point about bidding from the CG and practical standpoint. It actually cost about the same or more to do scenes digitally. It's not about finances.
It's about Director's control of the scene or shot. An insecure director will choose to go with CG if they are unsure about shooting the scene because of angles, lighting, etc.
Insecure directors tend to do too many takes of a scene. The common: you always get the shot within the first three takes.
In this case, the production company made a financial discussion and got the sot or shots. The film looked great.
Well done.
Duncan Jones is a great director.
It's a shame Jones wanted it all CGI, but gave in due to miniatures being cheaper. All his other films have too much CGI. Moon is his best film partly because of the visual style and practical effects work.
@@piercefilm funny to think: the star wars prequels consisted of more practical models than the original star wars trilogy...
@@trama110 Yeah. But Lucas made sure the press only heard about "new" CGI technology being used. It's always the same in Hollywood studios. When there is a hit film all the studios want the new tech. Even if it isn't needed. After Star Wars in 77 everyone wanted motion control blue screen shots. Many films could have used models on wires outdoors in real light, but the studios wanted "new!" Firefox made that mistake, but The Right Stuff luckily used older in-camera effects and they hold up much better now.
12:02 when did i start watching "Spinal Tap"?
If these guys would get involved in the Maker movement for 1:18 and 1:12 action figures.....wow! I'm looking at that 1:12 rover and drooling. Great job on the stuff produced for Moon.
Steve Howarth made some studio scale Rovers from his original molds. He sold them all.
@@piercefilm sometime in late 90s I figured out how who did the scale models for True Lies. I reached out to them via phone. I was inquiring as to the cost of purchasing the AV-8B studio model as I heard it was done in a larger scale, either 1:18 or 1:6. The individual on the phone acted offended, asked how I got the number, and told me they were a precision modeling company for Hollywood, not a toy store. I was in my 20s and prepared to spend a few thousand on such a beautiful piece.
Is that how it was back then, a feeling of elitism and superiority in the industry??? In just curious because, to me, somebody wanting to buy something should be a complement.
@@bobastu I think a lot of the models made in these shops cost tens of thousands or more. And they weren't mass produced. If some were left over after the filming, they usually end up in auction houses. Sorry to hear they were not nice. But these shops were busy places with professionals working for deadlines, and not the right place to ask about buying a model. Time is money.
@@piercefilm thanks for the info. I do appreciate it. Model making is an art form. I'm 49, and I always remind my kids about the practical models of we are watching an older movie and they comment how real something looks. While CG has a place, practical models are beautiful. Thank you for sharing.
Well done!
They could have gotten around the dust problem by shooting the scene in a giant vacuum chamber. It's not the 1/6 gravity that makes the dust look so cool coming off the rovers, it's the way it just falls back to the surface. The moon is one of the few places where rooster tails don't hang in the air (since there's no air on the moon).
I'm of course joking about using a giant vacuum chamber. A giant vacuum chamber would have blown the budget by itself.
Very cool miniatures. Thanks for sharing the video.
I have the feeling that this guys are the last ones of a dying breed. Very sad that we can't see beautiful miniatures in films anymore, but a few exceptions.
Fabulous!
Thanks God they went with miniatures instead of silly CGI. That movie looks like a 50 Million !!
Miniatures>CGI
R.I.P Bill. :(
wish film would go back to miniatures and actual sets over GCI.
Same here. They're so much more effective, to say the least.
It still does, I guess maximum effectiveness is combining the two. Lots of miniature work in Blade Runner 2049
The problem with CGI is 1) they rarely "get it right" and 2) they always go overboard.....always.
Apparently, the Arquitens-class light command cruiser in the Mandelorian is an actual hand-crafted model. You can see the imperfections in the close-up shots and it's a beautiful thing.
Interesting. Looks like some of the miniatures are 1/6th scale. At 1:23 he is using a 1/6th scale action figure to block out a shot for compositing later.
Never tell anybody "It was a luck accident". The correct thing to say is"You have no idea how long we worked to get that effect. But, it worked."
Brilliant!
This gotta be so FUN!
Great upload thank you. A great insight into great film. But as we seem to be a small army of model-makers and Miniature Mechanics here , I wonder what everyone else is making today? For me it's a mechanical flag and miniature fully-articulated steel armour for the most unusual medieval army I have ever seen! (short film/music video).
Some are teaching practical effects at colleges. Some make special order models for clients. Some still work in the film industry making miniature effects. Luckily, there are still a few directors who like practical effects (Wes Anderson, Tarantino, Christopher Nolan).
Well filmed miniatures are a lot better than CGI it just never looks real.
I am quite enjoying these short clips of various miniature effects! Are these from longer interviews that we could somehow gain access to? I’d love to know more.
These segments are from my Sense of Scale documentary. I released the DVD in 2012. Amazon was selling them, but they are now sold out. These segments are better since I can edit them longer and with more photos! I am uploading a new segment every week.
@@piercefilm Thanks! I shall eagerly look forward to them each week then 😊👍
@@piercefilm I wonder if you could put them all in a playlist so we could view them in sequence?
@@coachkevinyoung well, there is no order or sequence to them, really. I guess you could go by release date? I am editing them as I go, so whatever comes up next is next. ;)
@@piercefilm I understand. I just didn’t want to miss any of the ones that you’ve already posted 😊
These geezers made a great movie
Such a great movie.