I am now reading his book Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth. Enjoying every bit of it. I am a Sunni Muslim from Indian sub-continent. We need modern, open minded intellectual Muslims like him.
Reza was arrogant, and underestimated me when I took his class in graduate school. He assumed I was another farm kid from Iowa, which I was, but I attended high school in Vienna Austria, AIS the # 1 ranked international school in the World at the time, traveled the world, had security clearances through the CIA at 15, made many friends from the Middle East. My whole group of friends in college were Muslims from Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, and Palestine. Reza assumed I had never left Boone Iowa, and the farms.
Vee Malaki come see me in new zealand......LOL good for you big man........maybe that helped your shitty life get better. trust me, you would learn a valuable lesson.
Goof Love Why not? Israel doesn't really need the aid anymore. If the two nations wanted to demonstrate some sign of unity to the rest of the world, Israel could just as easily send money to the US.
+Chris Yokum sure. Obama recently sent (not sold) but sent a fleet of F-22's to Israel, courtesy of John Q tax payer. 18 F-22's that cost each plane 20 million dollars each. Thats one of many high tech weapons israel got for free just in this administration alone. If you want to see more just look it up yourself. You can read can't you?
Wow. I've never heard this argument (2 state is over) so simply and clearly and logically stated. It certainly shines a light on our media and why we don't hear more of this argument by any of our congressmen. Thank you Reza Aslan!
Since the creation of the United Nations in 1945, no country has violated as many UN Security Council Resolutions as the state of Israel. In spite of this fact, as a permanent member of the UN Security Council, the United States has the power to veto any Resolution it wishes, and has used this veto power more than 20 times since 1973, to thwart the will of the Council, and to shield Israel from any consequenses for its actions. The United Nation's General Assembly has repeatedly condemned Israel's occupation of the territories as illegal (see UN resolutions 338, 1397, and 1402, among others). Israel's continued occupation of Palestine, sanctioned and maintained by the US, is one of the most serious obstructions to a just and lasting peace in the Middle East...
Graham Bell I wouldn't be so sure. It's true that we don't know what SH's real motives are (and frankly it's not worth speculating). But it is also true that many otherwise progressive/liberal people have become increasingly suspicious of the left because of its position on Israel. Some of these people, like Michael Walzer, M. Nussbaum etc., have remained progressive on most issues, but accuse the left of being too casual about "non-Western violence", while others have rejected the left altogether and adopted rightwing positions across the board. My point is that the Israel/Palestine issue has a tendency to affect people's (esp. ethnically/religiously Jewish people's) political views in a really deep, thoroughgoing way. So it wouldn't at all surprise me if Sam Harris's politics have been affected by this issue as well. Just for the sake of disclosure, I am a leftist (socialist, not liberal) supporter of palestinian self-determination, and I live in a predominantly Jewish community, so I see everyday the way Jewish people, on both sides of the issue, agonize over the israel/palestine question.
I should 'get more enlightened' hey? Always a telling way to precede a point lol. Your rather basic comparison also tells me how little thought you have put into what you are saying here. He is attacking 'barely Muslim' Reza because Reza tries to confuse every issue with his bullshit far-left dogma which makes it harder to deal with the bigger problems that radical Muslims are causing. Harris has tried, to some extent, to be the antidote to the spread of delusion to which Reza is continuously contributing. Also, he is not a 'supposed atheist', he is an atheist.
as a Palestinian I will accept a single state solution. even without dividing or dedicating position to a certain group in one condition only. which is the return of all the Palestinian refugees to the state. and applying the same immigration laws that apply to the Jew's to the Palestinian Muslim's and Christians. that's it. and let the votes decide who is prime minister and who Is President.
Ahmad Hamad. Read UN resolution 181. Jews get 25%, Arabs take all 75%. 5% of Jerusalem holy land to be shared by Muslims, Jews, Christians and Coptics. Muslim leaders tore the agreement in 1948, burnt the signed by World Leaders, and declared war on Jews as infidels. shouting Allah-ho-Akbar. Arabs lost the war. Had Arabs accepted 181 and signed - today Palestinian would live in peace. What has 70 years has achieved? Nothing.
Exactly, francis is right. The fact is that the religious lunacy is higher on the Palestinian side. The charter of Hamas is explicitly genocidal. Jews will not be tolerated inside a single Palestinian state. Why do you think all the jews in the middle east have had to go to Israel? Hint: it involves being murdered reliably by virtually every other group of humans in history
yuval bar-on be thankful the reply from the palis is always a resounding no The narrowest point in between the jordan river and Mediterranean sea is 9 miles Rockets would be raining down in Tel Aviv from elevated location in judea and samaria.
@@francishallare204 good point buddy I've never heard these arguments before like a million times from everyone all my life or something, really refreshing takes my guy, very unique ideas that are definitely not thinly veiled propaganda or something but like extremely thin like you can barely see the veil and like it's a wonder like why even need a veil at this point but you know they say that it makes the shade a little nicer and just aesthetically it's more pleasing but me I'm a simple man I don't get it, you know? Might have gone a bit off track but point is. Uh... Good job buddy you did it. You get a golden star 🌟
i love you Reza, i am reza from Afghanistan.. you are true Persian-Muslim, i am happy you are moderate, bright and intellectual muslim. that is what we need, in islamic world.
Reza's explanations 100 percent accurate and covers fully to whats going on on may 2021 .same pattern, same players, same crime and nothing to be done.
+Marcstylzzz A I think sooner or later, the world will begin to understand it's a muslim against the world issue. And BTW, the Christian Palestinians aren't the ones carrying out terror attacks. I wonder why that is.
HebrewLife Maybe because the muslims are fighting the war on behalf of christians. I think sooner or later, the world will begin to understand that despite all the hysteria caused by the media, its not the muslims as a whole that are a problem, but the bigots.
Reza Aslan knows and completely gets the situation from every corner. i wish all the world analysts and thinkers let alone politicians could get or even dare to understand the inequity and injustice Palestine's always been in.
One state, equal rights for all is the answer. But Zionists won’t accept anything that will impact the ethnic privilege they now enjoy. A bit like white people in the south when the civil rights movement began.
Israel does wear the pants my friend theyasin33 and I worked in the US Gov for 30 years. The politics and the Israeli lobby is just to inbedded involved in internal and external US policy. This is just a fact. But for all our sakes and for the sake of peace 50 years from now when all most everyone will have Nuclear weapon capability... we need to fix this one issue of Palestine which has always been there from the time of Abraham with the jews also...we need to fix this and OBAMA (and I am a supporter of the administration) has failed miserably. That is just the truth.
+bornbillsmith That's an ignorant thing to say, I wouldn't associate Westboro baptists with Quakers just because they're both Christian... Every religion has it's own extremists, Islam is no more violent than the other two big monotheisms
The two-state solution is the only real conceivable and realistic solution possible. It's simple, implement it, relinquish the occupation and dismantle the settlements.
Hi Steven: for the record the vast majority of Israelis, including the PM, support a 2-state solution (that's "old hat"/passe). We have no interest or benefit from absorbing ~2 million Arabs into our country. We just want a reasonable deal and our security concerns met. Our PM, like those before, have stated that we will have to make a lot of tough compromises for peace, and tearing down many settlements is certainly one of those (many surround our capital, Jerusalem, and so will remain). At the moment, the PA has a unity arrangement with Hamas (a terror org whose charter calls for the destruction of Israel); and the PA (Abbas) is violating the Oslo Accords by his request for a state via the UN without negotiations. He also allows hate-teach on children's shows; names streets after terrorists and praises them, and pays terrorists when they are caught. And he is considered MODERATE ! When a fearless and bold leader like Saddat heads the PA, there will be a more realistic chance for peace. Peace to you !
***** We accepted a land area the size or Rhode Island, the Arabs rejected any agreement and attacked. We won. Go watch your flat screen, drive in your SUV and open another beer. I am sure you already have more than we want.
Reza Aslan is right, all the "you started it, NO you started it" yell, makes no more sense and is futile. 67 years ago an error was committed, it's time to find a solution that is fair to everyone, otherwise peace will not come.
From the comments section, I support: "The people who call themselves Palistinians have declared war and lost. So now they must deal with their loss. Well, the reality is like you say - they have to accept a one state solution that does more or less what Israel already does. They must give minorities rights, they must allow them to vote, they must give criminals trials with appeal rights. " "If not for the Hamas, and other terrorist organizations by the palestinian people PEACE WOULD OF BEEN ACHIEVED BY NOW." and this one which I find illuminating: "He ran away from Iran in 1979 when Khomeini took over, lives a good life in the states while bashing Jews, israeli's , and others."
Barachello Maybe Israelis are not Nazis but they are using their methods of ethnic cleansing.If you sign in agreement that you WILL NOT build new settlements,but instead you build it 4 (FOUR) times more,if you put a native people in a ghetto and bring big walls and barb wire around them like they are in Dachau or Auschwitz,if you are constantly breaking Geneva convention,you must expect that people would not compare Israelis with Nazis. Nazis are small babies for Israelis.
***** Ethnic Cleansing and Genocide--to me aren't the same thing. Use the word Genocide when it's genocide. Ethnic cleansing applies to genocide as well as non-genocidal attempts to remove an ethnic group. Its way too soft a word. It's belittling to use the word ethnic cleansing when genocide should be used instead. Now--The Palestinians were ethnically cleansed. They were kicked out of villages in huge numbers preceding the creation of Israel. Yitzakh Rabin personally signed the orders expelling 70,000 people from Lydda and Ramle. This was a completely documented ethnic cleansing (700,000 people were expelled in total). It sure as shit wasn't a genocide though. Obviously.
***** Explain us how "history" can give them the right to have their own state,because bu that logic every people in the world that where attacked in history of mankind can claim some part of Earth to establish their own state??!! And what about other people and religions in Israel? Is that mean that if somebody attack Israel,military will first defend jews and later MAYBE others? Soon people will not be able to make any gesticulation,will not be able to move their eyes and lips because that is antisemitic. And what about others and their discrimination,they are not emphasized by MASS MEDIA like jews. What about atheists and agnostics,muslims,hindus,when somebody say something wrong about them there is no need to apologize,but if you celebrate a goal like Nicolas Anelka(a black dude btw) did,then he is antisemitic. That is some bad hypocritical bull shit.
As a muslims we were told this was going to happen 1600yers ago in the quran and which it turn out true but it was also told tht the palestinians will regain their land back which with no doubt i believe tht is going to happen.
***** why do i care?, Ive seen with my own eyes the way palestinian muslims treat palestinian christians, I have seen how arabs live in egypt jordan morocco and turkey, and even though turkey and moroco are not the worst, palestinians STILL live a better quality of life with more rights and freedoms, and still the muslims declare war and complain. Why dont arabs care about occupation of land when arabs are doing it and killing far more people than the jews because its not about freedom or land its about hadiths telling muslims to kill jews, WHY are there ZERO palestinian christian suicide bombers, if this war is not about religion? Islam claims it is an innocent vitim against western aggression, if s how do you explain the barbary wars where american merchant ships were attacked my muslims before the USA had ever been in any international conflict, the ottoman ambassador said muslims are allowed to attack infidel wherever they are and would not try to stop the attacks against ameran ship, that was in 1805 and things havent changed
And they already have lots of land ... but stew in misery because they most want to destroy the Jews. A shame they waste their lives on hate. A good relationship with Israel would bring them prosperity.
Obviously the one state solution is ideal, but who the fuck in their right mind would think it's a realistic and viable outcome? I mean Czech-Slovakia split after years of peaceful co-existence. Yugoslavia split in a brutal civil war and after living for decades in relative harmony under Tito. Heck, we have places like Quebec in Canada, arguably the most peaceful and economically advanced country in the world, pushing for separation. How the fuck would Israeli's and Palestinians, who have been fighting for over a century, with two different religions, live in one state together. If that one state occurs it would simply end in a brutal civil war. Case closed.
I don't understand how the Israelis can dig themselves into such a deep hole which will end in war. Give the Palestinians the West Bank, you already have have 78% of the land.
Nope, not case closed, because the alternative is the continuation of the occupation and there might be a time the international community doesn't turn a blind eye. The israeli sight might be open to concessions when it is in their self-interest to do so. The context of what defines such self-interest might change in the future for many reasons. I've read a report that Gaza won't have any drinkable water in 2020 if nothing changes. Maybe Israel is waiting out the problem... Israel won't let them have access to the jordan river, that's for sure.
Danny - the 1-state solution is NOT ideal. Israel would cease to be a state for the protection of Jews in their homeland is an enormous Arab population became part of Israel. A 2 or even a 3-state solution (e.g. Gaza as yet a separate state) is the best IMO. A 1-state solution would be good for the Palestinians as they would become part of a Democratic state with religious freedom and a strong justice system, not to mention economy, but it would be bad for the people for whom the country was set up, namely Jews. I think that perhaps an even better solution is that the so-called Palestinians in the west bank become part of Jordan, and the Gazan become part of Egypt.
Zvi Benari Except all Israeli leaders have shown they won't let go of the West Bank. So it is Netanyahu and his cronies who are dragging the conflict into a one-state solution...
***** If you wanna know today there are 1.5 million arabs that live inside ISrael and they are full citizens of ISrael, and everything is beautiful, I have some arabs friends that always answers that they do not want to live under any other arab regime
"According to Census 2000, 50.9 percent of Iranian immigrants have attained a bachelor's degree or higher, compared to 28.0 percent national average. According to the latest census data available, more than one in four Iranian-Americans holds a master's or doctoral degree, the highest rate among 67 ethnic groups studied"
I am not surprised, and am pleased. IMO, it is Islam as practiced (enforced) in Iran and the Mullahs, that are holding the people back. When freed from those limitations, good people will thrive. Peace.
He said the truth he wasn't saying what he was told to say like rula jebrral or other he said what's really happening Hats off to this man for not lying!
Honestly I know he warned us it would be bad, but listening to him talk was so depressing because you realise, its the reality we've all been trying to ignore and chose to live in fantasies. It was true 5 years ago, its a fact today. West Bank settlements are still growing, Netanyahu is bolder than ever, saying shit like Israel is for Jews only, and openly admitting he has no intentions of giving the Palestinians any land. This subject really hurts me and everyone in Lebanon, we dream of our Palestinian brothers returning home and living in peace but it looks like their struggle will continue for a while. God help them.
what I never understood about this whole conflict is how do the israelis get away with murder over and over again? why can´t anyone stand up against every desire they have and sort of confront them? it´s ridiculous
Zvi Benari Wow! I completely disagree with just about everything you said. Netanyahu, a racist murderer, never supported a 2-state solution. He has a litany of rules and understandings that Palestinians must accept before he'll even acknowledge them. I'm not a fan of Hamas nor am I a fan of Netanyahu. I feel bad for the Palestinians who are being slaughtered under Netanyahu.
Zvi Benari Netanyahu even said there will be no Palestinian state under his watch. Bloodthirsty, filthy dumbfucks like you never mention that. Dumbfuck
Reza should go run his proposal by Hamas and see if they would be happy with a single, shared state solution. Somethin' tells me they ain't gonna go for it. And without them on board, it's just another failed plan like the two state solution, and will likely remain untenable for a very long, long time. Cheers.
+Paul L I agree with Reza that the whole situation is complete bullshit. But my point is that a shared state-solution is no more viable than a two-state solution because the hardliners (on both sides) will not accept it. In my view the shared-state solution is just as much of a pipe dream as a two-state solution. Welcome to mankind! Cheers.
***** I think there will never be peac until there is a one state solution, ie it'll just be called Israel. It is almost done. Check this out. www.palestinelink.eu/image/palestinian-loss-of-land-1946-to-2000.jpg
+Paul L Yes, I'm familiar with the maps. My point is that the killing won't stop, even when that whole map becomes Israel, if that ultimately happens. There will always be insurgents who will never stop trying to regain land that they believe was taken from them. And that means no end to the violence. I hope I'm wrong, but I just can't see it going any other way. Although perhaps somewhere in the far off future they'll eventually tire of killing each other. One can dream. All the best!
+Open-minded Skeptic "And without them on board, it's just another failed plan like the two state solution" Care to elaborate on that? Because the PA and Israel have been cooperating for the past 20 years despite Hamas being around. Any single state or two state solution can easily be achieved without Hamas being involved. In fact, it would isolate Hamas even more.
Well said Reza! If israel would embrace them with open arms I might see peace in my life time. They wont because they are worried about losing their jewish state but the days of religious states are numbered. The only ones that stay alive are ruled by dictators and religious zealots. If north america is your best ally than join us and europe and have a true democracy where faith and state are seperated for the most part. There is a long history of secularism in the west bank and gaza. Support that join the rest of the world. I am tired of hearing who's "angry sky daddy" is better. Grow up people
Israel is a Jewish state? I think it's a secular state founded on Jewish principles and made up of 75% Jews where democracy is practised. It's like saying Indonesia is an Islamic state just because it's made up of Muslims.
Homer Bulos "I think it's a secular state founded on Jewish principles and made up of 75% Jews where democracy is practised." The first demand that Israel wants from PLO to accept is to accept Israel as a "Jewish State". Better learn the facts before commenting. Also this 75% democratic Jewish majority state was founded by ousting 80% of the Arab-Muslim population and 5% Arab-Christian population. There were merely 15% Jewish living inside the Palestine till 1948.
No Shane. The reason why, Israel will never honor the "refugee numbers" is because those numbers are inflated times 10, based on the critieria specified in UNRWA. And if you haver never read that criteria, here it is: "What is a Palestinian?" According to UNRWA, it is any Non Jew, who lived only 2 years, west of the Jordan. That means, that if you are Egyptian, and lived there for 2 years, you are magically a "Palestinian" and you and your entire family can invade Israel and steal land. Not gonna happen.
Before Isreal people live in that peaceful happy life, Jews, muslim & Christians. Yes, they can do that again but move those out who came by force & stolen homes & land. Plestinians are brave & beautiful people, with kindness in their heart. May God all mighty take care of them.
Muslims have a country. it's called Saudia Arabia. that's where Mecca is. plus the Palestinians had chance for two states resolution in 1948 but said no. look it up.
I'm living right here on the Israeli-Palestinian front lines. I want a binational state, and most young people on both sides do. We're tired of war. We're tired of nationalism. We're tired of discussing who rightfully owns this land. We just want to get on with our lives without having to put them on the line all the time. Older people may want to win this war, but us kids, we just want to end it without risking our lives. We don't want to be right. We just want to live together in peace. We no longer care who's Palestinian and who's Israeli. We just want our lives
@@soniahemmati2372 No Israeli government, sure. But I know plenty of Israeli citizens who would happily accept one - and if that trend continues, maybe the government too one day
Dear Mr Aslan, I have heard your talk about Israel and Palestine and had to write, as you seem to have gotten many facts wrong (Reza Aslan talks about Palestine and Israel). First, there are no 500,000 Israelis living in what is supposed to be the future Palestinian state. It is more like 70,000. The rest are in settlements that are close to the border and in ANY agreement would be annexed to Israel in exchange to equal-sized land from pre-1967 Israel. This has already been greed by both sides. Moreover, Territory-wise, the settlements take up only about 3% of the west banks land. So he's wrong again - that's not only "Ramallah", there are many other cities, as well as newly built Rawabi. "Nobody wants Gaza"? it has almost 2 million Palestinian in it. Who exactly doesn't want it? There haven't been 20 years of peace process. the actual peace process was between 1993-2000, where suicide bombings and radicalisation started (on both sides). then the Second Intefada started - hardly a case of Peace, and that lasted pretty much until 2005. however talks resumed only in 2007 when Olmert took office. almost in Tandem, hamas took over Gaza and made any possible deal to be unrealistic. however, peace talks took place until early 2010, with a settlement moratorium imposed by Netanyahu's second gov. since then - we had a few months of talks late last year. so no - not really 20 years. definitely not 20 peaceful years. And the idea of a Bi-National state is delusional. It would never happen. Its a baseless fantasy trying to impose what doesnt work in Lebanon, Iraq and Syria to work in Israel, disregarding the dismal results of such an attempt. BTW, it doesn't really work in Belgium as well, but at least there they have a common religion uniting them. oh, and they haven't really been to war with each other in a while. Israe and Palestine do not share a religion, a language, a culture, an ethnicity or actually anything other than wanting to rule the same piece of land. It's a dream of naive westerners (or in this case an Iranian living in the west) that do not realise that not only they dont understand the middle east and that trying to impose post-war peaceful ideas on an area that is still at war, would only lead to more war. moreover, it ignores the most basic real politic notion - If Israel had to choose between unilateral withdrawal from most of the west bank OR a One state - it would leave the west bank before you finish the question. I know that for a fact. I know that because I am close to the Israeli leadership and have been involved and listened to them in many private occasions. in fact, you dont need to be any of that - you just have to be realistic, and not expect Israel to commit suicide in the name of western Ideas and ideals. Your depiction of Obama's visit is FACTUALLY wrong. Israel agreed to a previous moratorium on settlements, which the Palestinian leadership ignored for 9 months out of the 10 months that were agreed upon. Following president Obama's visit - there was a choice to be made - either a moratorium OR prisoner release. Israel chose to release Palestinian prisoners. not some small-time crooks or stone-throwers, but people that were incarcerated for murder. This choice was not one-sided. it was negotiated by Secretary Kerry himself and agreed upon by both sides. I would be happy to debate the solutions and possible outcomes, but one needs to stick to the facts.
I think he says nobody wants Gaza because there are a lot of destroyed buildings there, but if the place doesnt get bombed and it is allowed for it to recover, probably only then people want to live there
He's right, but a shame to frame it in this language. Palestine isn't gone. The Palestinian nation lives, its language and customs live, its people persist. Nazareth remains Nazareth, Nablus remains Nablus. Palestinians dwell in national uncertainty; holding myriad IDs, citizenships, statuses. But Palestine isn't dead. The idea of partition for the sake of religious ethnocracy is dead. Perhaps we were naive to ever believe in it.
He is wrong on so many levels. 500.000 is not a huge number. The land they they occupy is only a small part of the West Bank, There is no international law. Laws are made by people. Who are these people who made this international law and when did they do it. There are positions people have on legals issues. These positions they take even if the whole world has them does not make them law. You can only make law for people in your own country. It's not Palestinian land. There never were Palestinians in the past so how can there be Palestinian land. The land is in dispute. No one group has claim to the entire area. If these people you call Palestinian would acknowledge this then a agreement could have been made a long time ago that would give them over 80 percent of the land. It's their leaders who have refused to compromise who should be blamed for their lack of a state. Hamas has declared that the nation we call Israel has no right in the middle east to be no matter how small that nation is and is unwilling to stop fighting until there is no Israel. Do you really think Israel will give up it's rightful claim to the land to people who want to destroy them.
I'm gonna help you out here buddy because you don't know what you're talking about. Its a huge part of Palestine. Here's a map. reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/resources/MapIsraeli_Settlements_WestBank_Patterns_Growth.pdf There is international law. Its called the Geneva Conventions signed after the second World War. Look it up. The world created both Palestine and Israel in 1948. The British Mandate of Palestine actually existed before Israel. You are a ignorant if you think that Palestine was given the chance at 80% of that land. You just made that up. Shameful. And citing a backward idiotic group like Hamas does nothing for your cause. Moderate Arabs the world over have offered to live in peace with Israeli's. It's called The Arab Peace Initiative. Here's the link. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative Now get to reading. And get a clue.
***** The Geneva Convention did not make law. If it did then explain the Vietnam war. The Arab population of the West bank is much more then 500,000. The Jews live in cities and towns where the population density is much higher than what the Arabs have and therefore the amount of space they take is much less. They want the land that was the old city and the land immediately adjacent to it. That in proportion to the entire West bank is less than 10 percent. The Arabs can have the rest. Hamas was voted in and therefore does represent how the Arabs feel in Gaza and probably also the West Bank. For argument sake let's say Israel would give up a claim to most of the West Bank if the Arabs would give up their claim to Jerusalem. What would be your position.
bornbillsmith You're doing a great job trying to undercut the Geneva Convention, but guess what, the Geneva Convention was good for the world. I really have never had to defend the idea that a prohibition against poison gas is good and I never will. Its obvious to everyone except you apparently. Yes the Arab population is greater than 500k. That's right. Did you look at the map? Here's my position. As you know Jerusalem is an important city to Jews, Christians and Muslims. As far as I'm concerned the city should be under both Israeli and Palestinian rule with oversight by the UN. There is precedence for this throughout history. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condominium_(international_law)
***** The Moslems controlled Jerusalem and did not allow Jews to observe their religion there. Israel has allowed every religion to observe their religion. Why should I trust the Moslems now. This is not the point. I asked if Israel gave up all claims except for the ones around Jerusalem would you support it The Moslem would get much more than 80 percent of the land. That's what I was alluding to in my first comment.. Now tell me how my comment was wrong.
bornbillsmith They actually did allow Jews and Christians to observe their respective religions. They called them Dhimmi and although they didn't have many rights the Jews were way better off in Muslim lands than European ones. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi
There are Palestinian Christians, Jews and Muslims. They are less segregated in Palestine than they are in Israel. A one state solution is miles better than a 2 state solution
If the whole issue of peace relies on the settlements, why did the Palestinians and Arab coalitions attack Israel in 1948? Resting the success of peace on the settlements is a way to ignore that the Palestinians and Arabs don't want Israel there at all.
there are more then 500000 palestinians living in israel with full citizenship and full rights, why can't jews live in a palestinian state ? i didnt know that the palestinian state should be a no-jew state while israel should accommodatge both jews and muslims. the USA spends much more money on israel's arab neighbours then on israel (7 times more) and the UN certainly does not have a pro-israel bias. why didnt he discussed the results of the oslo accords and the result of the gaza redrawl ?
Here's a map of where Israeli's live in Palestine. Its an illegal occupation if you haven't heard. reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/resources/MapIsraeli_Settlements_WestBank_Patterns_Growth.pdf
According to your logic (or lack thereof): US attacks Mexico. Mexico takes over Houston TX. bornbillsmith says "Well its okay. Mexico has a right to take over Houston. The US attacked them." Please...think.
My jewish brothers come hug us muslims let us live together as we did in the past let there be peace and love. Let not outside forces come between us xx !
This is the truth that no one wants to hear, and this is exactly why alot of selfish people calling reza lier while he is bringing facts and still calling him a lier
I'm Palestinian living in West Bank ! Palestine will be free InshaAllah... Our prophet Muhammad ( PBUH) promised us ...There will be NO ISRAEL in the coming 7 years ...Just keep yr faith in Allah only :)
just heard a professor talking about the Israeli Palestinian conflict and says Israel is to blame without even talking about the Palestinian terror.. how objective is that?
I am a Palestinian and i think that a one state for the 2 nations is the only logical solution...I do apreciate what Reza said,but i just don't agree with him where he says Palestine won't be back,Before the occupation of Palestine ,noone imagined that we get to where we are now,but we did,no one even thought recently that some European countries would accept Palestine as a country ,but there are now,so nothing is impossible...Let's hope for the better
First time I heard something true about this problem .. One state will finish the hassle of both people Arabs and Israelis .. And it has to start from Israel, as the powerful side on the equation . Thanks Reza
He wanted me to publish a paper I wrote on Muslim extremism and Sharia law but I was busy with life and never got around to it. The CIA wanted me to be an analyst but I never got around to that either. Recently I got into trouble for mentioning Islam in a class while subbing in a high school. They assumed I was coming from a midwest hick perspective not knowing my group of friends in college were all Muslims from the Middle East, my mom was the Principal at a Muslim School, and that I have many Muslim friends, and attended The American International School in Vienna Austria getting to know folks from all over the World. Small minds are frustrating.
Reza, thank you for being straight forward. It is a shame how weak the US when it comes to Israel and how a tiny little country controls the world superpower. That will not end well.
Totally agree with Reza. Had the Good people of Palestine accepted their land in 1948, 1950, 1954, 1958, 1964, 1968, 1972, 1976, 1978, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1995, 1999, 2003, 2008, 2010 perhaps the Palestinians would have their State. You just cant be so arrogant when youre on the recieving end....
I think today Reza will agree with me that there can now only be a one state for all who live in Israel/West Bank and Gaza. There two state solution is long past its sell by date.
has anyone ever asked reza how he feels about gays? if you say you're a practicing muslim, isn't true that you feel as if homosexuality is a crime? he seems reasonable enough to where he would answer the question, but can he reconcile his answer with his beliefs in his religion?
+Spiderman Why Islam in specific? Are you saying christianity or judaism allow homosexuality? All three Abrahamic religions criminalize it. And by the way, in Quran there is no single sentence criminalize it, only Hadith (second source of Islamic Jurisprudence), which many believe Hadith is not mandatory to comply with.
Bachir Messaouri then he is not muslim... that is what if he is... and thanks for the compliment about being a bigot... in a world where people bomb each other over texts written in BC times about whose god is better than the other, and where "men of cloth" touch little boys, the word "bigot" is a huge compliment!!!! thanks again
He is whatever he wants to be and he defines himself the way he wants it too, as long as he doesn't despise other people for being different. His private beliefs or inclinations are none of your business. And no, being treated as a bigot is not a compliment at all. You probably don't know the definition of it. Some say their god is better than the other ones. You just say that YOU are better than them. That's worse. You just shift the problem without even knowing that you are just the same. As them, you try to prove that you are on the good side. Whoever does that is different but just the same. Same old story. Live your life and let the others live theirs. Your supremacy is not as obvious as you might think it is.
Respect to this man. Everything he has said - so eloquently, is 100% true.
I am now reading his book Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth. Enjoying every bit of it. I am a Sunni Muslim from Indian sub-continent. We need modern, open minded intellectual Muslims like him.
Read the facts i wrote in a few short words (above) Bubbah
I took a class with Reza at the University of Iowa when I was in grad school and argued with him a lot, he is very bright and fun to argue with.
+Timothy Ryan Fisher He is SUPER anti-Israel. Its clear from his comments.
+Ami05 ur just a fucking idoit
+Ami05 you are just another keyboard warrior. Way to go tuff guy. Come see me when ever your in New Zealand and I will educate ur stupid ass.
Reza was arrogant, and underestimated me when I took his class in graduate school. He assumed I was another farm kid from Iowa, which I was, but I attended high school in Vienna Austria, AIS the # 1 ranked international school in the World at the time, traveled the world, had security clearances through the CIA at 15, made many friends from the Middle East. My whole group of friends in college were Muslims from Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, and Palestine. Reza assumed I had never left Boone Iowa, and the farms.
Vee Malaki come see me in new zealand......LOL
good for you big man........maybe that helped your shitty life get better.
trust me, you would learn a valuable lesson.
this dude knows what he's talking about. it's true it's over
Wow... he spoke the truth
Coming back to this in 2023 is wild a he’s absolutely on the Money.
I agree. He was 100 correct and honest. People hated him for it.
The US should probably re-appropriate any money going to Israel, and spend it towards health care and the space program.
Chris Yokum but they wont and we know it
Goof Love
Why not? Israel doesn't really need the aid anymore. If the two nations wanted to demonstrate some sign of unity to the rest of the world, Israel could just as easily send money to the US.
listen the amount of money US sends to isreal is used for weapons creating genocides and when the reaction comes they come up crying terrorism
Goof Love
Could you be more specific and provide sources on that?
+Chris Yokum
sure. Obama recently sent (not sold) but sent a fleet of F-22's to Israel, courtesy of John Q tax payer. 18 F-22's that cost each plane 20 million dollars each. Thats one of many high tech weapons israel got for free just in this administration alone. If you want to see more just look it up yourself. You can read can't you?
He speaks the honest truth, this is why I am a fan of Reza.
no but he is a pro iranian dajjal, cia backed iran in 79 to be israelis ally.
As an American I am embarrassed and as a Middle Eastern I am angry
Shouldn't it be the other way round?
What is Middle Eastern? Is that another name for an "arab-parast"?
Dude.. Every country pursues its self interest
that was so fricking hurtful and depressing to hear.....i wish it was an hour longer
Wow. I've never heard this argument (2 state is over) so simply and clearly and logically stated. It certainly shines a light on our media and why we don't hear more of this argument by any of our congressmen. Thank you Reza Aslan!
I'm listening to this 8 years later, he was so right!! Except that more and more Palestinians now agree with the one state solution.
tbh Israelis never going to share their power with Palestinians.
Since the creation of the United Nations in 1945, no country has violated as many UN Security Council Resolutions as the state of Israel. In spite of this fact, as a permanent member of the UN Security Council, the United States has the power to veto any Resolution it wishes, and has used this veto power more than 20 times since 1973, to thwart the will of the Council, and to shield Israel from any consequenses for its actions.
The United Nation's General Assembly has repeatedly condemned Israel's occupation of the territories as illegal (see UN resolutions 338, 1397, and 1402, among others). Israel's continued occupation of Palestine, sanctioned and maintained by the US, is one of the most serious obstructions to a just and lasting peace in the Middle East...
And this is the REAL reason why Sam Harris has a bone to pick with Reza Aslan.
No, it isn't.
Graham Bell Yes it is.
Graham Bell I wouldn't be so sure. It's true that we don't know what SH's real motives are (and frankly it's not worth speculating). But it is also true that many otherwise progressive/liberal people have become increasingly suspicious of the left because of its position on Israel. Some of these people, like Michael Walzer, M. Nussbaum etc., have remained progressive on most issues, but accuse the left of being too casual about "non-Western violence", while others have rejected the left altogether and adopted rightwing positions across the board. My point is that the Israel/Palestine issue has a tendency to affect people's (esp. ethnically/religiously Jewish people's) political views in a really deep, thoroughgoing way. So it wouldn't at all surprise me if Sam Harris's politics have been affected by this issue as well.
Just for the sake of disclosure, I am a leftist (socialist, not liberal) supporter of palestinian self-determination, and I live in a predominantly Jewish community, so I see everyday the way Jewish people, on both sides of the issue, agonize over the israel/palestine question.
No, it isn't.
I should 'get more enlightened' hey? Always a telling way to precede a point lol. Your rather basic comparison also tells me how little thought you have put into what you are saying here. He is attacking 'barely Muslim' Reza because Reza tries to confuse every issue with his bullshit far-left dogma which makes it harder to deal with the bigger problems that radical Muslims are causing. Harris has tried, to some extent, to be the antidote to the spread of delusion to which Reza is continuously contributing. Also, he is not a 'supposed atheist', he is an atheist.
as a Palestinian I will accept a single state solution. even without dividing or dedicating position to a certain group in one condition only. which is the return of all the Palestinian refugees to the state. and applying the same immigration laws that apply to the Jew's to the Palestinian Muslim's and Christians. that's it. and let the votes decide who is prime minister and who Is President.
***** I know
Ahmad Hamad. Read UN resolution 181. Jews get 25%, Arabs take all 75%. 5% of Jerusalem holy land to be shared by Muslims, Jews, Christians and Coptics. Muslim leaders tore the agreement in 1948, burnt the signed by World Leaders, and declared war on Jews as infidels. shouting Allah-ho-Akbar. Arabs lost the war. Had Arabs accepted 181 and signed - today Palestinian would live in peace. What has 70 years has achieved? Nothing.
Exactly, francis is right. The fact is that the religious lunacy is higher on the Palestinian side. The charter of Hamas is explicitly genocidal. Jews will not be tolerated inside a single Palestinian state. Why do you think all the jews in the middle east have had to go to Israel? Hint: it involves being murdered reliably by virtually every other group of humans in history
Muslim who believe messages delivered to the Mecca Mullah to his cave by a Flying Wingman sent down by the Sky Mullah
I challenge Muslims to show one message from the Sky Mullah that the city of Jerusalem belongs to Islam.
As an Israeli watching 6 years in the future this is incredibly depressing
Sending my best to both your states.
@@kyliesmith729 thanks. Hopefully both of us can topple our corrupt shit leaders.
yuval bar-on be thankful the reply from the palis is always a resounding no
The narrowest point in between the jordan river and Mediterranean sea is 9 miles Rockets would be raining down in Tel Aviv from elevated location in judea and samaria.
@@francishallare204 good point buddy I've never heard these arguments before like a million times from everyone all my life or something, really refreshing takes my guy, very unique ideas that are definitely not thinly veiled propaganda or something but like extremely thin like you can barely see the veil and like it's a wonder like why even need a veil at this point but you know they say that it makes the shade a little nicer and just aesthetically it's more pleasing but me I'm a simple man I don't get it, you know? Might have gone a bit off track but point is. Uh... Good job buddy you did it. You get a golden star 🌟
i love you Reza, i am reza from Afghanistan.. you are true Persian-Muslim, i am happy you are moderate, bright and intellectual muslim. that is what we need, in islamic world.
*iranian lol
Today, 2 years later, everyone knows this.
Another highly educated brilliant Iranian. Proud to be.
Reza's explanations 100 percent accurate and covers fully to whats going on on may 2021 .same pattern, same players, same crime and nothing to be done.
reza is surely a genious and knows all the facts.
+Azazel Acheron Even though every point he made can be backed up with sufficient evidence?
Azazel Acheron
This is where human intelligence disgusts me. Its israel-palestine issue and u make it a muslim-jewish issue.
+Azazel Acheron Done your google research too? :)
+Marcstylzzz A
I think sooner or later, the world will begin to understand it's a muslim against the world issue.
And BTW, the Christian Palestinians aren't the ones carrying out terror attacks. I wonder why that is.
HebrewLife
Maybe because the muslims are fighting the war on behalf of christians. I think sooner or later, the world will begin to understand that despite all the hysteria caused by the media, its not the muslims as a whole that are a problem, but the bigots.
The Palestinians lost some of their land but never lost their faith :) Peace
Reza Aslan knows and completely gets the situation from every corner. i wish all the world analysts and thinkers let alone politicians could get or even dare to understand the inequity and injustice Palestine's always been in.
Who is watching this today 10/10/23
One state, equal rights for all is the answer. But Zionists won’t accept anything that will impact the ethnic privilege they now enjoy. A bit like white people in the south when the civil rights movement began.
Damn prophetic af
Reza and truth don't belong in the same sentence.
Why because you know it's the truth? The sickening vulgar truth that you deluded idiots refuse
Hey look this "Reza is good man. He speaks Truth" 2 sentences.
Israel does wear the pants my friend theyasin33 and I worked in the US Gov for 30 years. The politics and the Israeli lobby is just to inbedded involved in internal and external US policy. This is just a fact. But for all our sakes and for the sake of peace 50 years from now when all most everyone will have Nuclear weapon capability... we need to fix this one issue of Palestine which has always been there from the time of Abraham with the jews also...we need to fix this and OBAMA (and I am a supporter of the administration) has failed miserably. That is just the truth.
Just wondering how you can stomach it for 30 years.
***** ISIS
+bornbillsmith That's an ignorant thing to say, I wouldn't associate Westboro baptists with Quakers just because they're both Christian... Every religion has it's own extremists, Islam is no more violent than the other two big monotheisms
+Seth Powell You don't know what you are talking about. Islam is a violent, war mongering religion
+Azazel Acheron Except that it isn't a false equivalency.
The two-state solution is the only real conceivable and realistic solution possible. It's simple, implement it, relinquish the occupation and dismantle the settlements.
Hi Steven: for the record the vast majority of Israelis, including the PM, support a 2-state solution (that's "old hat"/passe). We have no interest or benefit from absorbing ~2 million Arabs into our country. We just want a reasonable deal and our security concerns met. Our PM, like those before, have stated that we will have to make a lot of tough compromises for peace, and tearing down many settlements is certainly one of those (many surround our capital, Jerusalem, and so will remain). At the moment, the PA has a unity arrangement with Hamas (a terror org whose charter calls for the destruction of Israel); and the PA (Abbas) is violating the Oslo Accords by his request for a state via the UN without negotiations. He also allows hate-teach on children's shows; names streets after terrorists and praises them, and pays terrorists when they are caught. And he is considered MODERATE ! When a fearless and bold leader like Saddat heads the PA, there will be a more realistic chance for peace. Peace to you !
***** We accepted a land area the size or Rhode Island, the Arabs rejected any agreement and attacked. We won. Go watch your flat screen, drive in your SUV and open another beer. I am sure you already have more than we want.
Reza Aslan is right, all the "you started it, NO you started it" yell, makes no more sense and is futile.
67 years ago an error was committed, it's time to find a solution that is fair to everyone, otherwise peace will not come.
I salute you man
This has been heart-breaking to hear still I can't help but agree
Thank you for your frank and courageous statements, I have not seen anyone talk about this discourse like you. You brook the Taboo.
From the comments section, I support:
"The people who call themselves Palistinians have declared war and
lost. So now they must deal with their loss. Well, the reality is like
you say - they have to accept a one state solution that does more or
less what Israel already does. They must give minorities rights, they
must allow them to vote, they must give criminals trials with appeal
rights. "
"If not for the Hamas, and other terrorist organizations by the palestinian people PEACE WOULD OF BEEN ACHIEVED BY NOW."
and this one which I find illuminating:
"He ran away from Iran in 1979 when Khomeini took over, lives a good
life in the states while bashing Jews, israeli's , and others."
As an Israeli I think one state is great solution but it has to be a democratic state cuz if not the Jews will be in a big trouble. (ISIS)
What would you do if you were Palestinian....die or die fighting ,just like the heroes of the warsaw ghetto.
Barachello
Maybe Israelis are not Nazis but they are using their methods of ethnic cleansing.If you sign in agreement that you WILL NOT build new settlements,but instead you build it 4 (FOUR) times more,if you put a native people in a ghetto and bring big walls and barb wire around them like they are in Dachau or Auschwitz,if you are constantly breaking Geneva convention,you must expect that people would not compare Israelis with Nazis.
Nazis are small babies for Israelis.
***** Ethnic Cleansing and Genocide--to me aren't the same thing. Use the word Genocide when it's genocide. Ethnic cleansing applies to genocide as well as non-genocidal attempts to remove an ethnic group. Its way too soft a word. It's belittling to use the word ethnic cleansing when genocide should be used instead. Now--The Palestinians were ethnically cleansed. They were kicked out of villages in huge numbers preceding the creation of Israel. Yitzakh Rabin personally signed the orders expelling 70,000 people from Lydda and Ramle. This was a completely documented ethnic cleansing (700,000 people were expelled in total). It sure as shit wasn't a genocide though. Obviously.
***** Explain us how "history" can give them the right to have their own state,because bu that logic every people in the world that where attacked in history of mankind can claim some part of Earth to establish their own state??!!
And what about other people and religions in Israel?
Is that mean that if somebody attack Israel,military will first defend jews and later MAYBE others?
Soon people will not be able to make any gesticulation,will not be able to move their eyes and lips because that is antisemitic.
And what about others and their discrimination,they are not emphasized by MASS MEDIA like jews.
What about atheists and agnostics,muslims,hindus,when somebody say something wrong about them there is no need to apologize,but if you celebrate a goal like Nicolas Anelka(a black dude btw) did,then he is antisemitic.
That is some bad hypocritical bull shit.
Thats because you're a racist.
As a muslims we were told this was going to happen 1600yers ago in the quran and which it turn out true but it was also told tht the palestinians will regain their land back which with no doubt i believe tht is going to happen.
go back and read your quran, there is no mention of palestine, it also says the jews all have to go back because it is their land
***** why do i care?, Ive seen with my own eyes the way palestinian muslims treat palestinian christians, I have seen how arabs live in egypt jordan morocco and turkey, and even though turkey and moroco are not the worst, palestinians STILL live a better quality of life with more rights and freedoms, and still the muslims declare war and complain. Why dont arabs care about occupation of land when arabs are doing it and killing far more people than the jews because its not about freedom or land its about hadiths telling muslims to kill jews, WHY are there ZERO palestinian christian suicide bombers, if this war is not about religion? Islam claims it is an innocent vitim against western aggression, if s how do you explain the barbary wars where american merchant ships were attacked my muslims before the USA had ever been in any international conflict, the ottoman ambassador said muslims are allowed to attack infidel wherever they are and would not try to stop the attacks against ameran ship, that was in 1805 and things havent changed
And they already have lots of land ... but stew in misery because they most want to destroy the Jews. A shame they waste their lives on hate. A good relationship with Israel would bring them prosperity.
Zvi Benari does Judaism ask you to lie or do your filthy, incest addicted parents tell you its ok
omgjeans420 You are mixing up tiqiya (an Islamic tradition). But nice try.
Obviously the one state solution is ideal, but who the fuck in their right mind would think it's a realistic and viable outcome? I mean Czech-Slovakia split after years of peaceful co-existence. Yugoslavia split in a brutal civil war and after living for decades in relative harmony under Tito. Heck, we have places like Quebec in Canada, arguably the most peaceful and economically advanced country in the world, pushing for separation. How the fuck would Israeli's and Palestinians, who have been fighting for over a century, with two different religions, live in one state together. If that one state occurs it would simply end in a brutal civil war.
Case closed.
I don't understand how the Israelis can dig themselves into such a deep hole which will end in war. Give the Palestinians the West Bank, you already have have 78% of the land.
Nope, not case closed, because the alternative is the continuation of the occupation and there might be a time the international community doesn't turn a blind eye. The israeli sight might be open to concessions when it is in their self-interest to do so. The context of what defines such self-interest might change in the future for many reasons. I've read a report that Gaza won't have any drinkable water in 2020 if nothing changes. Maybe Israel is waiting out the problem... Israel won't let them have access to the jordan river, that's for sure.
Danny - the 1-state solution is NOT ideal. Israel would cease to be a state for the protection of Jews in their homeland is an enormous Arab population became part of Israel. A 2 or even a 3-state solution (e.g. Gaza as yet a separate state) is the best IMO. A 1-state solution would be good for the Palestinians as they would become part of a Democratic state with religious freedom and a strong justice system, not to mention economy, but it would be bad for the people for whom the country was set up, namely Jews. I think that perhaps an even better solution is that the so-called Palestinians in the west bank become part of Jordan, and the Gazan become part of Egypt.
Zvi Benari
Except all Israeli leaders have shown they won't let go of the West Bank. So it is Netanyahu and his cronies who are dragging the conflict into a one-state solution...
***** If you wanna know today there are 1.5 million arabs that live inside ISrael and they are full citizens of ISrael, and everything is beautiful, I have some arabs friends that always answers that they do not want to live under any other arab regime
Reza aslan is a great man. I want to thank u for telling the truth about things
"According to Census 2000, 50.9 percent of Iranian immigrants have attained a bachelor's degree or higher, compared to 28.0 percent national average. According to the latest census data available, more than one in four Iranian-Americans holds a master's or doctoral degree, the highest rate among 67 ethnic groups studied"
bullshit
Tommy Campese oh tommy boy, your sister is calling you for another round in the trailer.
Become a science major and you will meet Iranians in school.
I am not surprised, and am pleased. IMO, it is Islam as practiced (enforced) in Iran and the Mullahs, that are holding the people back. When freed from those limitations, good people will thrive. Peace.
babak asaseh What's your point? This video is about Palestinians.
babak asaseh A
He said the truth he wasn't saying what he was told to say like rula jebrral or other he said what's really happening
Hats off to this man for not lying!
Great answer,Bravo Reza
Honestly I know he warned us it would be bad, but listening to him talk was so depressing because you realise, its the reality we've all been trying to ignore and chose to live in fantasies. It was true 5 years ago, its a fact today. West Bank settlements are still growing, Netanyahu is bolder than ever, saying shit like Israel is for Jews only, and openly admitting he has no intentions of giving the Palestinians any land. This subject really hurts me and everyone in Lebanon, we dream of our Palestinian brothers returning home and living in peace but it looks like their struggle will continue for a while. God help them.
what I never understood about this whole conflict is how do the israelis get away with murder over and over again? why can´t anyone stand up against every desire they have and sort of confront them? it´s ridiculous
Zvi Benari Wow! I completely disagree with just about everything you said. Netanyahu, a racist murderer, never supported a 2-state solution. He has a litany of rules and understandings that Palestinians must accept before he'll even acknowledge them. I'm not a fan of Hamas nor am I a fan of Netanyahu. I feel bad for the Palestinians who are being slaughtered under Netanyahu.
omgjeans420 Blah blah blah ... your BS is not worthy of a real response, tho there are many. You doubtless would continue with your idiocy.
Zvi Benari Netanyahu even said there will be no Palestinian state under his watch. Bloodthirsty, filthy dumbfucks like you never mention that. Dumbfuck
shreder89 The jews around the world have money my friend money... and money creates power...
shreder89 Everybody does stand up bar one country. Unfortunately that nation, one that is supposed to be the main negotiator, has veto power.
Still relevant.
Mr. Aslan, You the best I love you . keep up the Good work .God Bless you
That actually made sense, Reza should stick to cultural/political commentary and not Islamic apologism
Reza should go run his proposal by Hamas and see if they would be happy with a single, shared state solution. Somethin' tells me they ain't gonna go for it. And without them on board, it's just another failed plan like the two state solution, and will likely remain untenable for a very long, long time. Cheers.
+Open-minded Skeptic Did you actually watch the video ? And remember, be open minded but don't let ya brains fall out.
+Paul L I agree with Reza that the whole situation is complete bullshit. But my point is that a shared state-solution is no more viable than a two-state solution because the hardliners (on both sides) will not accept it. In my view the shared-state solution is just as much of a pipe dream as a two-state solution. Welcome to mankind! Cheers.
***** I think there will never be peac until there is a one state solution, ie it'll just be called Israel. It is almost done. Check this out.
www.palestinelink.eu/image/palestinian-loss-of-land-1946-to-2000.jpg
+Paul L Yes, I'm familiar with the maps. My point is that the killing won't stop, even when that whole map becomes Israel, if that ultimately happens. There will always be insurgents who will never stop trying to regain land that they believe was taken from them. And that means no end to the violence. I hope I'm wrong, but I just can't see it going any other way. Although perhaps somewhere in the far off future they'll eventually tire of killing each other. One can dream. All the best!
+Open-minded Skeptic "And without them on board, it's just another failed plan like the two state solution" Care to elaborate on that? Because the PA and Israel have been cooperating for the past 20 years despite Hamas being around. Any single state or two state solution can easily be achieved without Hamas being involved. In fact, it would isolate Hamas even more.
***** Thanks for the video. Do you know where it's taken from? I'd like to watch the full talk if possible.
Well said Reza! If israel would embrace them with open arms I might see peace in my life time. They wont because they are worried about losing their jewish state but the days of religious states are numbered. The only ones that stay alive are ruled by dictators and religious zealots. If north america is your best ally than join us and europe and have a true democracy where faith and state are seperated for the most part. There is a long history of secularism in the west bank and gaza. Support that join the rest of the world. I am tired of hearing who's "angry sky daddy" is better. Grow up people
Israel is a Jewish state? I think it's a secular state founded on Jewish principles and made up of 75% Jews where democracy is practised. It's like saying Indonesia is an Islamic state just because it's made up of Muslims.
Seriously dude? When your leaders go on and on about being the only jewish state and you feed me that BS?
Homer Bulos "I think it's a secular state founded on Jewish principles and made up of 75% Jews where democracy is practised."
The first demand that Israel wants from PLO to accept is to accept Israel as a "Jewish State". Better learn the facts before commenting.
Also this 75% democratic Jewish majority state was founded by ousting 80% of the Arab-Muslim population and 5% Arab-Christian population. There were merely 15% Jewish living inside the Palestine till 1948.
No Shane. The reason why, Israel will never honor the "refugee numbers" is because those numbers are inflated times 10, based on the critieria specified in UNRWA. And if you haver never read that criteria, here it is: "What is a Palestinian?" According to UNRWA, it is any Non Jew, who lived only 2 years, west of the Jordan. That means, that if you are Egyptian, and lived there for 2 years, you are magically a "Palestinian" and you and your entire family can invade Israel and steal land. Not gonna happen.
Before Isreal people live in that peaceful happy life, Jews, muslim & Christians. Yes, they can do that again but move those out who came by force & stolen homes & land. Plestinians are brave & beautiful people, with kindness in their heart. May God all mighty take care of them.
Muslims have a country.
it's called Saudia Arabia.
that's where Mecca is.
plus the Palestinians had chance for two states resolution in 1948 but said no.
look it up.
shawn duncan You are right 1.000 folds shalom la Israel shana tova jerushalaim
shawn duncan It's not about a Muslim state. It's about a Palestinian state. There is a difference between a religion and a nationality.
There is an Arab Palestinian state. It is called Jordan.
With current conditions , so true... .
Unfortunately !
Yes palestinian people where there a long time before the british gave jews land that doesnt even belong to them
Who gave them the right?
I'm living right here on the Israeli-Palestinian front lines. I want a binational state, and most young people on both sides do. We're tired of war. We're tired of nationalism. We're tired of discussing who rightfully owns this land.
We just want to get on with our lives without having to put them on the line all the time.
Older people may want to win this war, but us kids, we just want to end it without risking our lives. We don't want to be right. We just want to live together in peace. We no longer care who's Palestinian and who's Israeli. We just want our lives
Actually, most Israelis and certainly no Israeli government would ever accept a binational state
@@soniahemmati2372 No Israeli government, sure. But I know plenty of Israeli citizens who would happily accept one - and if that trend continues, maybe the government too one day
Dear Mr Aslan, I have heard your talk about Israel and Palestine and had to write, as you seem to have gotten many facts wrong (Reza Aslan talks about Palestine and Israel).
First, there are no 500,000 Israelis living in what is supposed to be the future Palestinian state. It is more like 70,000. The rest are in settlements that are close to the border and in ANY agreement would be annexed to Israel in exchange to equal-sized land from pre-1967 Israel. This has already been greed by both sides.
Moreover, Territory-wise, the settlements take up only about 3% of the west banks land. So he's wrong again - that's not only "Ramallah", there are many other cities, as well as newly built Rawabi.
"Nobody wants Gaza"? it has almost 2 million Palestinian in it. Who exactly doesn't want it?
There haven't been 20 years of peace process. the actual peace process was between 1993-2000, where suicide bombings and radicalisation started (on both sides). then the Second Intefada started - hardly a case of Peace, and that lasted pretty much until 2005. however talks resumed only in 2007 when Olmert took office. almost in Tandem, hamas took over Gaza and made any possible deal to be unrealistic. however, peace talks took place until early 2010, with a settlement moratorium imposed by Netanyahu's second gov. since then - we had a few months of talks late last year. so no - not really 20 years. definitely not 20 peaceful years.
And the idea of a Bi-National state is delusional. It would never happen. Its a baseless fantasy trying to impose what doesnt work in Lebanon, Iraq and Syria to work in Israel, disregarding the dismal results of such an attempt. BTW, it doesn't really work in Belgium as well, but at least there they have a common religion uniting them. oh, and they haven't really been to war with each other in a while. Israe and Palestine do not share a religion, a language, a culture, an ethnicity or actually anything other than wanting to rule the same piece of land.
It's a dream of naive westerners (or in this case an Iranian living in the west) that do not realise that not only they dont understand the middle east and that trying to impose post-war peaceful ideas on an area that is still at war, would only lead to more war. moreover, it ignores the most basic real politic notion - If Israel had to choose between unilateral withdrawal from most of the west bank OR a One state - it would leave the west bank before you finish the question. I know that for a fact. I know that because I am close to the Israeli leadership and have been involved and listened to them in many private occasions. in fact, you dont need to be any of that - you just have to be realistic, and not expect Israel to commit suicide in the name of western Ideas and ideals.
Your depiction of Obama's visit is FACTUALLY wrong. Israel agreed to a previous moratorium on settlements, which the Palestinian leadership ignored for 9 months out of the 10 months that were agreed upon. Following president Obama's visit - there was a choice to be made - either a moratorium OR prisoner release. Israel chose to release Palestinian prisoners. not some small-time crooks or stone-throwers, but people that were incarcerated for murder. This choice was not one-sided. it was negotiated by Secretary Kerry himself and agreed upon by both sides.
I would be happy to debate the solutions and possible outcomes, but one needs to stick to the facts.
I think he says nobody wants Gaza because there are a lot of destroyed buildings there, but if the place doesnt get bombed and it is allowed for it to recover, probably only then people want to live there
It's happening. It's still happening.
He's right, but a shame to frame it in this language. Palestine isn't gone. The Palestinian nation lives, its language and customs live, its people persist. Nazareth remains Nazareth, Nablus remains Nablus. Palestinians dwell in national uncertainty; holding myriad IDs, citizenships, statuses. But Palestine isn't dead. The idea of partition for the sake of religious ethnocracy is dead. Perhaps we were naive to ever believe in it.
At least there is one person speaking their truth and not towing the predictable party line.
He is wrong on so many levels.
500.000 is not a huge number.
The land they they occupy is only a small part of the West Bank,
There is no international law.
Laws are made by people.
Who are these people who made this international law and when did they do it.
There are positions people have on legals issues.
These positions they take even if the whole world has them does not make them law.
You can only make law for people in your own country.
It's not Palestinian land.
There never were Palestinians in the past so how can there be Palestinian land.
The land is in dispute.
No one group has claim to the entire area.
If these people you call Palestinian would acknowledge this then a agreement could have been made a long time ago that would give them over 80 percent of the land.
It's their leaders who have refused to compromise who should be blamed for their lack of a state.
Hamas has declared that the nation we call Israel has no right in the middle east to be no matter how small that nation is and is unwilling to stop fighting until there is no Israel.
Do you really think Israel will give up it's rightful claim to the land to people who want to destroy them.
I'm gonna help you out here buddy because you don't know what you're talking about.
Its a huge part of Palestine. Here's a map.
reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/resources/MapIsraeli_Settlements_WestBank_Patterns_Growth.pdf
There is international law. Its called the Geneva Conventions signed after the second World War. Look it up.
The world created both Palestine and Israel in 1948. The British Mandate of Palestine actually existed before Israel.
You are a ignorant if you think that Palestine was given the chance at 80% of that land. You just made that up. Shameful.
And citing a backward idiotic group like Hamas does nothing for your cause. Moderate Arabs the world over have offered to live in peace with Israeli's. It's called The Arab Peace Initiative. Here's the link.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative
Now get to reading. And get a clue.
***** The Geneva Convention did not make law.
If it did then explain the Vietnam war.
The Arab population of the West bank is much more then 500,000.
The Jews live in cities and towns where the population density is much higher
than what the Arabs have and therefore the amount of space they take is much less.
They want the land that was the old city and the land immediately adjacent to it.
That in proportion to the entire West bank is less than 10 percent.
The Arabs can have the rest.
Hamas was voted in and therefore does represent how the Arabs feel in Gaza and probably also the West Bank.
For argument sake let's say Israel would give up a claim to most of the West Bank if the Arabs would give up their claim to Jerusalem.
What would be your position.
bornbillsmith You're doing a great job trying to undercut the Geneva Convention, but guess what, the Geneva Convention was good for the world. I really have never had to defend the idea that a prohibition against poison gas is good and I never will. Its obvious to everyone except you apparently.
Yes the Arab population is greater than 500k. That's right.
Did you look at the map?
Here's my position. As you know Jerusalem is an important city to Jews, Christians and Muslims. As far as I'm concerned the city should be under both Israeli and Palestinian rule with oversight by the UN. There is precedence for this throughout history.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condominium_(international_law)
***** The Moslems controlled Jerusalem and did not allow Jews to observe their religion there.
Israel has allowed every religion to observe their religion.
Why should I trust the Moslems now.
This is not the point.
I asked if Israel gave up all claims except for the ones around Jerusalem would you support it
The Moslem would get much more than 80 percent of the land.
That's what I was alluding to in my first comment..
Now tell me how my comment was wrong.
bornbillsmith They actually did allow Jews and Christians to observe their respective religions. They called them Dhimmi and although they didn't have many rights the Jews were way better off in Muslim lands than European ones. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi
Man he knew everything 8 years ago 😵
#Palestine
There are Palestinian Christians, Jews and Muslims.
They are less segregated in Palestine than they are in Israel. A one state solution is miles better than a 2 state solution
+Nsa “Selzzi” Google And who is going to run this "one state solution" ?
Stop stealing land that does not belong to you.
If the whole issue of peace relies on the settlements, why did the Palestinians and Arab coalitions attack Israel in 1948?
Resting the success of peace on the settlements is a way to ignore that the Palestinians and Arabs don't want Israel there at all.
there are more then 500000 palestinians living in israel with full citizenship and full rights, why can't jews live in a palestinian state ?
i didnt know that the palestinian state should be a no-jew state while israel should accommodatge both jews and muslims.
the USA spends much more money on israel's arab neighbours then on israel (7 times more)
and the UN certainly does not have a pro-israel bias.
why didnt he discussed the results of the oslo accords and the result of the gaza redrawl ?
Here's a map of where Israeli's live in Palestine. Its an illegal occupation if you haven't heard.
reliefweb.int/sites/reliefweb.int/files/resources/MapIsraeli_Settlements_WestBank_Patterns_Growth.pdf
Abdul Gemayyel There is no Palestinian state.
***** It's not illegal because they were attacked.
Look it up.
According to your logic (or lack thereof):
US attacks Mexico.
Mexico takes over Houston TX.
bornbillsmith says "Well its okay. Mexico has a right to take over Houston. The US attacked them."
Please...think.
They do not have full rights. This is a historical fact since 1948.
& look where we are now…
Thanks for posting. Where's the full vid and whats the name of the q and a?
My jewish brothers come hug us muslims let us live together as we did in the past let there be peace and love.
Let not outside forces come between us xx !
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Reza Aslan is a treasure
How right was this fucking guy? 👏
is there a link to the rest of this interview?
This Guy is Genius.
Reza Aslan is a wise.
How can I get the full lecture?
This is the truth that no one wants to hear, and this is exactly why alot of selfish people calling reza lier while he is bringing facts and still calling him a lier
I'm Palestinian living in West Bank ! Palestine will be free InshaAllah... Our prophet Muhammad ( PBUH) promised us ...There will be NO ISRAEL in the coming 7 years ...Just keep yr faith in Allah only :)
just heard a professor talking about the Israeli Palestinian conflict and says Israel is to blame without even talking about the Palestinian terror.. how objective is that?
I am a Palestinian and i think that a one state for the 2 nations is the only logical solution...I do apreciate what Reza said,but i just don't agree with him where he says Palestine won't be back,Before the occupation of Palestine ,noone imagined that we get to where we are now,but we did,no one even thought recently that some European countries would accept Palestine as a country ,but there are now,so nothing is impossible...Let's hope for the better
Israel will never accept it although. One state solution means the continuation of the current apartheid state
First time I heard something true about this problem .. One state will finish the hassle of both people Arabs and Israelis .. And it has to start from Israel, as the powerful side on the equation . Thanks Reza
He's 100% right.
He wouldnt dare to debate David Wood.
I mean they saw it coming almost 10yrs ago
I love his realism.
If a Palestinian state could accept Jewish communities, it wouldn't be over but their xenophobia is their cage.
He wanted me to publish a paper I wrote on Muslim extremism and Sharia law but I was busy with life and never got around to it. The CIA wanted me to be an analyst but I never got around to that either. Recently I got into trouble for mentioning Islam in a class while subbing in a high school. They assumed I was coming from a midwest hick perspective not knowing my group of friends in college were all Muslims from the Middle East, my mom was the Principal at a Muslim School, and that I have many Muslim friends, and attended The American International School in Vienna Austria getting to know folks from all over the World. Small minds are frustrating.
Reza, thank you for being straight forward. It is a shame how weak the US when it comes to Israel and how a tiny little country controls the world superpower. That will not end well.
I agreed with Reza 100%.
Where did this talk happen?
Totally agree with Reza. Had the Good people of Palestine accepted their land in 1948, 1950, 1954, 1958, 1964, 1968, 1972, 1976, 1978, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1995, 1999, 2003, 2008, 2010 perhaps the Palestinians would have their State. You just cant be so arrogant when youre on the recieving end....
I think today Reza will agree with me that there can now only be a one state for all who live in Israel/West Bank and Gaza. There two state solution is long past its sell by date.
Reza is forgetting one thing, Israel, in more than one occasion, reallocated israelis from their homes and gave up land in return for peace.
has anyone ever asked reza how he feels about gays? if you say you're a practicing muslim, isn't true that you feel as if homosexuality is a crime? he seems reasonable enough to where he would answer the question, but can he reconcile his answer with his beliefs in his religion?
+Spiderman Why Islam in specific? Are you saying christianity or judaism allow homosexuality? All three Abrahamic religions criminalize it. And by the way, in Quran there is no single sentence criminalize it, only Hadith (second source of Islamic Jurisprudence), which many believe Hadith is not mandatory to comply with.
+Spiderman And what if he is?
It sounds like you are more of a bigot than muslims are.
Bachir Messaouri then he is not muslim... that is what if he is... and thanks for the compliment about being a bigot... in a world where people bomb each other over texts written in BC times about whose god is better than the other, and where "men of cloth" touch little boys, the word "bigot" is a huge compliment!!!! thanks again
He is whatever he wants to be and he defines himself the way he wants it too, as long as he doesn't despise other people for being different. His private beliefs or inclinations are none of your business.
And no, being treated as a bigot is not a compliment at all. You probably don't know the definition of it.
Some say their god is better than the other ones. You just say that YOU are better than them. That's worse.
You just shift the problem without even knowing that you are just the same.
As them, you try to prove that you are on the good side. Whoever does that is different but just the same. Same old story.
Live your life and let the others live theirs. Your supremacy is not as obvious as you might think it is.
Bachir Messaouri didnt read
He's right! Palestine is gone. So sad. It's over.
But that is so depressing 😢
Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away” -Netanyahu, 2002?
Link to the whole conversation? Anyone?
This "expert" talks and talks about the Palestine-Israel conflict and never mentioned Hamas, Fatah and terrorism. Incredible.
Israel is the reason why there's hamas and fateh so cut the crap we have had enough bullshit
That wasn't the subject here.
I don't understand.... why is this a surprise? I love how articulate he is. I wish I could clearly convey ideas like him lol. Well said.
Why did the US veto? I don't get it.
We always veto such decisions against Israel.
I wasn't bullied in high school, and I respect Reza but don't agree with him. I often had heated arguments with him.
how did the one state solution go in Yugoslavia?
Two State is happening :) There will be peace in Palestine and Israel. Both will live in peace.