Since I got my first WK2 Grand Cherokee Limited in 2022, and now my Grand Cherokee TrailHawk, i’ve been all over the US Mexico and BC as a full-time Overlander. I have gotten everywhere I need to go as an Overlander an adventure videographer. And the only vehicle that I have encountered in my travels with more capability than what I had or required was a Jeep Grand Cherokee ZJ. I’ve noticed when it gets really slippery and sloppy my WK2 actually does better than my friends, Toyota Tacoma and my other friends, Ford Ranger FX4. All in all I’m very happy with my Trailhawk, I just wish I wasn’t so upside down on the car loan from buying it during the pandemic.
As usual a great video showcasing the different capabilities and personalities of vehicles and drivers on a technical trai! On to the next one…I’ll join you if I’m in the States.
Rack plus three passengers doesn’t help. Only negative to the Gladiator is that bad breakover angle. The ease which you can add 35s is a huge advantage. All seem pretty capable.
Well, that went pretty much as expected. Very capable vehicles but the Gladiator is on another level. Brad - one thing on the GCs with quadra-lift: when youre in OR2 and spin the wheels fast for momentum, will it drop you down to OR1 even though the vehicle isnt going over 18mph, but the wheels may be going 25mph? I've never been in a situation to try thay yet in my GC Trailhawk.
No, because you aren't spinning your wheels at that speed for more than a few moments. Mine has never come out of either off-road settings because of wheelspin.
@Japplesnap Makes sense in that example, but I mean remove the rocks and say it was a snowy hill instead with wheelspin for minutes at a time. Would it actually drop you and kill your clearance? I've been kicking around the idea of dumping QL and going standard suspension with an OME lift and that would help justify the cost to the wife :D
@@smudge1619 I don't know, but I spent more time snow wheeling than anything else and I've never had mine come out of OR2 or OR 1 for that matter. But I guess in theory it's possible. My thoughts is that Jeep probably thought of that and it probably takes a signal from multiple wheel speed sensors to make the air suspension drop down.
Gladiator has the best traction on the planet. As long as you can swing the departure/ break over ... It's a beast ! Can't beat it. This is like rolling rock hill from 4wd is life channel at famous reading outdoors. The only thing that could be better would be rego rex on a gladiator. Something like that
I was watching the whole thing saying out loud to myself, "They sure are comfortable rubbing their sidewalls on hug jagged rocks." Then it happened. lol
Gladiator is on a different level than the 4Runner and Grand Cherokee. The Gladiator, Wrangler, and Bronco are competitors. The 4Runner competes with the Grand Cherokee.
Around 10 minutes and there’s a part where you can really see the weakness of the gladiator because of the hangover and departure. It was really disappointing to see it hung up on the forerunner in the Cherokee just drove over. I’m considering buying one and that’s the main thing I was concerned about and it’s so obviously it’s gonna hold me back. Maybe if I had a bunch of skid plates on the bottom and it just made it completely flat and it wouldn’t get hung up.
Having the lockers on all the time makes it a bit sketchy because you slide so much. The traction control is better to use for most obstacles and only step up to lockers when you really need it. The side to side slide tendency is probably going to be way lower without the lockers being used constantly
Crawl control isn't going to find traction where it doesn't exist. BTW, the Grand Cherokee has the same thing, but it's part of the hill ascent/decent control.
Its function is for that exact situation. The gladiator found the traction, so it was there. The Toyota ATRAC and Crawl Control is not a apples to apples comparison to Jeep's. Id be more than happy to go toe to toe with mine.
@@quincyjones725 I had a 4Runner before I got my Jeep. ATRAC is the exact same thing as Jeep's brake based traction control. Literally the same. Crawl control is also the same. Jeep's works on incline or decline and can be controlled with the shift paddles on 1 mph increments.
The similarities are only with the fact that they use the brakes. There isnt much debate around the off-roading community that the Toyota system and the Land Rover one is the most effective. Your choice is your choice however. I'm just saying that crawl control would have made ease of that situation.
How do you only have 16K subscribers? Your content is so good for not being a channel with 1M+ followers
Agreed! Thank you!
100% agree!
Hat's off to the Grand Cherokee and more over the driver for not being afraid to just 'send it'!
4 runner is the best
That full Gladiator helps with traction no doubt. Good to see people actually take them out for some wheeling.
Since I got my first WK2 Grand Cherokee Limited in 2022, and now my Grand Cherokee TrailHawk, i’ve been all over the US Mexico and BC as a full-time Overlander. I have gotten everywhere I need to go as an Overlander an adventure videographer. And the only vehicle that I have encountered in my travels with more capability than what I had or required was a Jeep
Grand Cherokee ZJ. I’ve noticed when it gets really slippery and sloppy my WK2 actually does better than my friends, Toyota Tacoma and my other friends, Ford Ranger FX4. All in all I’m very happy with my Trailhawk, I just wish I wasn’t so upside down on the car loan from buying it during the pandemic.
They're reasonably priced now a days, just found one with under 20k miles for 30k
Sucks the air suspension craps out in winter weather only reason I didn't get a trailhawk.i really liked the styling and 4wd system
Very hard to beat a Jeep off-road!
Awesome, wish I had been there!
Glad to see Daniel out again in that JGC!
As usual a great video showcasing the different capabilities and personalities of vehicles and drivers on a technical trai! On to the next one…I’ll join you if I’m in the States.
This is question for the 4runner owner, where did you get or how did you black out your roof rails?👍
they come like that from factory with the blackout package on the 24 ORP
LOL, that wide angle lens made that Jeep look a mile long 10:00
That other Gladiator feels like it's super heavy. I wonder if that rack in the back is actually detrimental to the offroad performance.
Oh definitely any added weight is horrible
Rack plus three passengers doesn’t help. Only negative to the Gladiator is that bad breakover angle. The ease which you can add 35s is a huge advantage. All seem pretty capable.
10:05 might as well be a limo that length!
Well, that went pretty much as expected. Very capable vehicles but the Gladiator is on another level.
Brad - one thing on the GCs with quadra-lift: when youre in OR2 and spin the wheels fast for momentum, will it drop you down to OR1 even though the vehicle isnt going over 18mph, but the wheels may be going 25mph?
I've never been in a situation to try thay yet in my GC Trailhawk.
No, because you aren't spinning your wheels at that speed for more than a few moments. Mine has never come out of either off-road settings because of wheelspin.
@Japplesnap Makes sense in that example, but I mean remove the rocks and say it was a snowy hill instead with wheelspin for minutes at a time. Would it actually drop you and kill your clearance?
I've been kicking around the idea of dumping QL and going standard suspension with an OME lift and that would help justify the cost to the wife :D
@@smudge1619 I don't know, but I spent more time snow wheeling than anything else and I've never had mine come out of OR2 or OR 1 for that matter. But I guess in theory it's possible.
My thoughts is that Jeep probably thought of that and it probably takes a signal from multiple wheel speed sensors to make the air suspension drop down.
Would love to see similar video but all vehicles completely stock.
The new 2023 TRD pro does have heated steering wheel. Button is below start button
Gladiator has the best traction on the planet. As long as you can swing the departure/ break over ... It's a beast ! Can't beat it.
This is like rolling rock hill from 4wd is life channel at famous reading outdoors.
The only thing that could be better would be rego rex on a gladiator. Something like that
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I was watching the whole thing saying out loud to myself, "They sure are comfortable rubbing their sidewalls on hug jagged rocks." Then it happened. lol
Which trail is that first climb?
I think it was K5
Need to take better lines on some of these trials, from a 2000 mile view. :)
do the vehicles have the same tires
Isn't that Ronny Dahl old intro music ?...
Gladiator makes everything look easy
Gladiator is on a different level than the 4Runner and Grand Cherokee. The Gladiator, Wrangler, and Bronco are competitors. The 4Runner competes with the Grand Cherokee.
Around 10 minutes and there’s a part where you can really see the weakness of the gladiator because of the hangover and departure. It was really disappointing to see it hung up on the forerunner in the Cherokee just drove over. I’m considering buying one and that’s the main thing I was concerned about and it’s so obviously it’s gonna hold me back. Maybe if I had a bunch of skid plates on the bottom and it just made it completely flat and it wouldn’t get hung up.
Having the lockers on all the time makes it a bit sketchy because you slide so much. The traction control is better to use for most obstacles and only step up to lockers when you really need it. The side to side slide tendency is probably going to be way lower without the lockers being used constantly
As for That last obstacle- no way man! Not worth it…
@@NightNurseMikeModify the trailer hitch with a skid plate or remove it if not needed.
Wow very impressed by stock trd off road.
This is a fantastic video
Man, has Toyota ever beat Jeep at anything?😂
Other than:
New car pricing, fuel efficiency, quality,
reliability, safety, value...no.
@@smudge16194runners are overpriced AF
@@Lkjnn2287 Still cheaper.
@@Lkjnn2287Jeeps will beat runners at Rock crawling and you can take the doors and roof off. That's where it ends.
They call it a Grand Cherokee because every time you bring it to the mechanic it costs at least a grand
Yooo!! I'm finally the first to comment! xD
...promise I'll comment something more productive AFTER I watch the video. lol
take off big mama , it will be better ahahah
My dude in the 4runner just needed to turn on crawl control on that loose gravel hill. Set the speed and just steer. Its a literal cheat mode.
Crawl control isn't going to find traction where it doesn't exist.
BTW, the Grand Cherokee has the same thing, but it's part of the hill ascent/decent control.
Its function is for that exact situation. The gladiator found the traction, so it was there. The Toyota ATRAC and Crawl Control is not a apples to apples comparison to Jeep's. Id be more than happy to go toe to toe with mine.
@@quincyjones725 Gladiator had tires and front &rear lockers. Traction wasn't there for the 4Runner drivetrain. It's apples and oranges.
@@quincyjones725 I had a 4Runner before I got my Jeep. ATRAC is the exact same thing as Jeep's brake based traction control. Literally the same. Crawl control is also the same. Jeep's works on incline or decline and can be controlled with the shift paddles on 1 mph increments.
The similarities are only with the fact that they use the brakes. There isnt much debate around the off-roading community that the Toyota system and the Land Rover one is the most effective. Your choice is your choice however. I'm just saying that crawl control would have made ease of that situation.
a track men
Good thing that 4Runner had a 2" lift. It needed it to keep up with a Grand Cherokee air suspension.
Poor Jeep with all that Chonly weight