Keeping an open mind. I see a lot of preconceived notions that this is going to suck right off the bat. Well, with a collective attitude like that, I ask, how can it succeed? If you're a fan, be open. Be open to something new and try not to expect a 1:1 ratio or compare to other mediums. Let's be excited to see what's in store. This is litterally are only shot. If you were a fan of Dark Crystal, you'll know so many fans didn't show up. So, even the truly great DC: Age of Resistaince series was canceled indefinitely. If this series ends up being good and you don't show up to watch, you'll be the answer to your question when you finally do end up watching: "Why didn't they make more or finish this series?". Point is; Be open, show-up on day-one, and reserve your reservations until the end of the first season. Just a pinch of concious effort, that's all I ask and rid yourself of your bias, for Aslan's sake.
Yes, this is my attitude as well. It's not naivety, but cautious optimism. I'm wired in such a way that pre-judgement will lead to confirmation bias, and the experience will be miserable no matter how great it might be. I'd rather be disappointed than ruin an otherwise great experience!
Apologies my friend but I’ve seen movies with this director in charge, and we have seen over and over and over how these people distort the source material, or in the Witcher’s case, mock it. This isn’t close mindedness or snap judgment, this is called learning from history and yt he lesson sticking.
@@justinbowers2749 Preconceived notions at the end of the day, is you getting into your own way of any chance of enjoyment. If your mind is made, that's fine. I just choose to judge from experience and I can't judge Netflix Narnia until I see it with my own two eyes, and what matters if I enjoyed it. I mean, this is entertainment we're talking about here. If this series ends up being horrible, we still have Narnia in whatever medium you prefer. The books, the BBC series and Disney flicks still exist. Netflix can't hurt them or take them away. Also, it's not like if the Netflix series is bad it will cause you some sort of irreversible trauma. If it sucks it sucks and we can move on with our day. Regardless, Netflix has the rights to the series for now, and by giving up now, you're only hope for another adaptation is another decade or two out. I'd rather set my knee-jerk emotions aside and take my chances since with watching the series. There is litterally nothing to lose, we still have Narnia in our favorite forms, and there is everything to gain from me potentially enjoying the series.
Aslan will be a trans lioness;.the White Witch is now a wizard; Susan is bi; Lucy is unaccountably black despite having nothing but white relatives; Edmund and Peter will constantly panic and never be able think of anything useful, and will constantly ask the girls for advice; the beavers will charge into battle screaming, "Workers of the world unite!", TLTW&TW will now end with just two Queens as kings are no longer allowed as patriarchy has been forbidden in any form, and sixty per cent of the population of Narnia will be gay. Any demurring or critical voices will be met with sneering middle-class brays of, "Gammons (by which they mean working class people without a worthless degree that cost them forty grand) say fantasy animal kingdom with talking horses can't have anyone gay" etc, and quite possibly hints of Nazi sympathies. The shaking and rumbling felt by all will not be an Earthquake caused by Tash's evil machinations, but C.S. Lewis spinning in his grave, and five years afterwards, South Park will mock the piss out of it.
@@theradgegadgie6352 Edmund will definitely be gay, Aslan will be voiced by a black woman. The witch will just be misunderstood, Susan will be the boss with no character arch
I am not a young adult, but an epileptic adult woman. The Chronicles of Narnia written by CS Lewis, has inspired me to write my own epic fantasy novels. Better late than never, I suppose. Thank you CS Lewis for inspiring me!
The Rings of Power failed for multiple reasons, namely failing to follow lore, failing to "channel" Tolkienian themes, and then attacking the fanbase. I hope Chronicles does the opposite *fingers crossed*
I know the RoP show is controversial, but it did not fail. Appears to have been a significant hit for Amazon. I enjoyed watching it with my friends and believe upcoming season will only improve.
@@andrewlawson7388 Looking at the rate at which viewers actually finished the season(a dismal 37%), I'd say most people disagree. However, I will find common ground with you and hope it does indeed improve.
"If Netflix does it right" is the most important thing you said. And that's where all my worries lie as their history with being faithful to source material seems to be hit or miss. I mean, not respecting an IP is how they lost Henry Cavill on The Witcher because he wanted to do seven seasons . . . If they didn't stray too far from the original stories. Yeah, sorry, Henry. But I'm trying to be cautiously optimistic here. Because I really want this to be good. 🙏
Gretta is just about the worst person who could be directing this, get ready for a full bastardization of the source material. Blatant disrespect for lewis and his faith. As well as race swaps and inexplicably gay characters.
I just hope if they ever get around to adapting The Last Battle, they don’t change the ending to have Susan join her siblings and her cousin and father and mother in Aslan’s Country. I don’t mean to sound like THAT fan, but if The Last Battle is going to be finally adapted, I would like for them to keep the ending the same as the source material and that includes Susan no longer believing in Narnia, or as they say “no longer a friend of Narnia”.
Don’t forget making Susan and Lucy Girlbosses who outshine their male siblings, the White Witch being portrayed as a sympathetic victim rather than a monster, and the pevensies dissolving the monarchy and instituting a republic like in Masters of the universe Revolution…wait that last one is more Kevin Smith’s deal, but my point still stands
@@danalynch8889 I just go to the audio drama series by Focus on the Family Radio Theater. The BBC version is good, but the acting falls so flat in comparison to Focus on the Family's version.
The best way for it to be the biggest success ever would be for it to stick as close as possible to the source material. No need to invent the wheel or redesign it.
And you know they won't. A combination of Gretta and Netflix spell disaster for the source material. Narnia is a Christian book that is highly allegorical. The people adapting it hate Christianity. Be ready for Susan to be a boss bitch, Edmund to be gay, Aslan to be voiced by a woman, and loads of race swaps and theme changes. They cannot create they can only twist and destroy
Or at least any changes or expansions should be done in the spirit of CS Lewis as much as possible. They need to ask themselves “does this feel like what Lewis would do?”
They'll make Aslan have a woman's voice, Susan will be the boss, Edmund will be gay, and half the characters will be race swapped. Be prepared for every Christian theme to be corrupted. It will be Narnia in name only
@@nategraham6946 I guess that’s my point. Rings of Power said the exact opposite. They wanted to put themselves into it. Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings movies had the mindset to stay as true to Tolkien as possible and if things things had to be changed or embellished they tried to stay to what Tolkien would have done. Similar to the Series of Unfortunate Events TV show. They expanded some items but they stayed true to Snicket’s style and vision.
I don’t know about Gerwig… I feel they hired her as a feminist so they can “fix” the “problem with Susan” And you have a great video on this channel discussing the overblown nature around the “Susan problem”
I have that bad feeling as well. That and Netflix’s previous adaptation of a popular book series A Series of Unfortunate Events changing the ending of the final book The End might give Netflix executives the encouragement to allow Greta to do just that with her adaptation. I really do wish that Walden Media had managed to finish the series as I’m sure they would’ve stuck to the source and not had Susan not join her family in Aslan’s Country as the last 2 films at least subtly built up her being consumed by her own materialistic world in a few scenes.
It's definitely possible. I'm not sure the execs know that much about Narnia lore to address that issue specifically, but I'm sure their top priority is $. The question I'm wondering is this: will they look at the example other properties who have failed because they disrespected the source material? Time will tell, I suppose, but I can't say there's much reason to assume they've learned their lesson "this time".
Trying to fix something that does not need fixing is a problem. I don’t mind some changes- book to film is a process of translation, and sometimes a change better preserves to story and themes due to the different “language” of film. However, underestimating the depth of the stories and importance of the themes, and thinking you need to fix them, means the series will be weakened or even doomed to fail.
My first exposure to the franchise was when I saw the live action movie in theaters when I was 6, I was mesmerized and a few years later I read the books
Thank you, Stuart. 6. Eternal Truths is the key. Although I'm slightly sceptical of where the Netflix series is going. Presumably there are new plot lines. That's my worry.
@@IntotheWardrobe I never saw it, but my wife saw it and hated it, compared to the original. While I got you here - thank you for your channel! I've read a ton of Lewis' non-fiction material but just finished the full Narnia series for the first time recently and have been binge watching.
@@IntotheWardrobeIt’s the least version of Little Women I like. Mainly I didn’t like the casting and the way they treated this version of Beth. The 1994 also had the best sisterly bonding which was sorely missing in the 2019 adaptation. Greta can’t write “family” bonding so I doubt this Narnia series would be something I’d hope she might make as great as the books did.
The new show will not hold true to these principles. Netflix will see to that they want it to be open to a broader audience, and because of that the reason that it’s a Christian story is problematic, so they’re going to remove the Christian themes I bet. They’ll try and do woke politics into it and modern ideology, despite the fact it set in a different time and a different world. All the old values mostly support the old world values, which, despite the fact much of it is good, they don’t like. I mean, look what they’ve done with history with Alexander and Cleopatra. this is fantasy and mythical religious fantasy at that. They’re going to have a field day with this.😢
Well said - "We can hope and pray for the best". I somehow missed the initial news so I just learned about this project from this video. It filled me with a mix of excitement and dread. I love the Chronicles of Narnia but if they'll get the Witcher treatment I would be devastated. Making a good AND faithful adaptation of any book is hard enough even if the filmmakers and actors are fully onboard with the original vision. Now factor in the egos of all involved - wanting to leave their mark and following their vision, all the corporate studio notes focused on making the "product" rather then work of art and the faithful adaptation becomes less and less likely. I hope and pray I'm wrong on this. I really want it to be good.
If British people are working on it heavily, it will be a success! If it’s an American production it’s going to be a massive fail like the Disney films
Disney didn’t make the old Narnia films. They only distributed them, Walden Media was the studio that actually made the film and there were actually a few British actors and actresses and crew members involved with the films. Please kindly do more research next time.
Actually LWW and PC were co-produced by Disney and Walden and distributed by Buena Vista. VDT was the only film to distributed but not co-produced by Disney. I do thoroughly research, and have discussed Walden's role in lots of other videos. References to "the Disney version" are just shorthand for audiences that aren't interested in the details of the movie business. :-)
Global appeal? Absolutely, I grew up with the Swedish translations. My mom read them to my sister and I as children. And dear Netflix, please please keep it faithful!
The woke war on Innocence, Truth, and Beauty continues... “The first step in liquidating a people is to erase its memory. Destroy its books, its culture, its history. Then have someone write new books, manufacture a new culture, invent a new history. Before long the nation will begin to forget what it is and what it was.” ― Milan Kundera, The Book of Laughter and Forgetting
I know it’s a tall order but I just want a Peter Jackson’s quality show. Yes we have better graphics and things these days but the way Jackson’s was able to be more faithful even with what he changed really is what I want. And for someone to do the magicians nephew just once haha.
Yeah, like a number of people here, I certainly have my doubts for similar reasons, despite really wanting this to work. I suspect that if the rumours are true about a “magician’s nephew” adaptation, it’s a strategic move. On one hand, fans will be excited and it’ll draw in numbers but as far as the story is concerned, it’ll be one of the easiest to water down the Christian themes and make it more “ambiguous”
4 years huh, didn't realise it has been that long. The last time it failed because it wanted to copy Harry Potter and become it's rival and now it wants to copy GOT and use the same elements. This worries me as not only this is a children's series, but it appears that lessons have not been learnt.
The fact that we refuse to be a subscriber to Netflix aside... I do not see anything edifying coming out of Greta Gerwig having anything to do with Narnia. I do not see anything beautiful coming out of Netflix having anything to do with Narnia. If you look at Netflix's track record for what they do to even historical people, I'm looking at you race changed Anne Boleyn, it is not good at all. The wokeification of pretty much everything that Netflix puts out is highly disturbing.
I was just reading The magician's nephew. I have a couple of questions. 1 what happened to the first king and queen of Narnia The cabbie and his wife. 2 does the White witch Jadis make her palace where she ate the apple in the garden? 3 when the tree in our world got torn down by the storm was at the same time that The tree and Narnia fell and the White witch started her reign?
Will the Netflix Narnia start with Silver Chair as continuation of the movies, or will it be a full reboot? I hope for continuation rather than reboot.
This was the first book series I ever read and completed. I was introduced to it in high school. That was 25 years ago. It was my launchpad into other book series like Harry Potter, Dune and (my favorite book series other than narnia) Xanth. I tried to read LOTR and his style was confusing to me.
The fact that they got the lady who's directed Barbie in charge that just tells me they're probably going to cut out all the Christian themes and then fill it with propaganda.
I have read the books multiple times and listened to the audio books as well. I watched the BBC and the Walden Media productions. What annoyed me about the latter two is BBC stopped at book four and Walden stopped at book 3. I have been waiting decades to see a complete production of all 7 books. I understand the last one may be an issue with everyone characterwise coming back while in real life the actors will be aging a little quicker than the productions can be released. I'm sure in today's era they figure that one out somehow.
BBC stopped at _'The Silver Chair',_ so the only *#Narnia* stories we didn't get were _'The Magician’s Nephew', 'A Horse & His Boy'_ (no great loss with that one), and _'The Last Battle'._ So whilst _'The Silver Chair'_ may’ve been the BBC’s fourth adaptation it is, nevertheless, *Book Six* (not "book four" as you stated).
I’m going to be honest I don’t want to see any gay things or anything like that no hate but c.s. Lewis produced this story and he was a strong Christian a bible believing Christian so I really pray Netflix stay true to c.s. Lewis. Love your content brother keep going👍
Gretta would be the worst for Narnia. She'll make it into femanist shit, and woke trash, and ruin what could be great. Like Tolkien said, they cannot created they can only twist what is already created
Most likely going to have gender neutral centaurs, transgender dwarves, Susan is going to be black, Aslan will be portrayed as a misogynist and Peter is going to go by the pronouns queen
This will suck. The death of Narnia was when the movies ended unfinished, now they will prop up its decaying corpse to dress it up like the rest of the nonsense that’s has been coming out these past 10-15 years to make a few bucks on those who remembered its glory.
Peculiar. So bitter your words, the bitterness acts as some sort of adhesive that adheres your mind shut. Interestingly enough, the bitterness compulsively prompts your mouth to flap at the same time. I find it fascinating how one could love something so much that they become the antithesis of the very thing that they love.
Greta "I'm still angry at Catholic School" Gerwig is very unlikely to stay faithful to the books. I hope she doesn't do a more extreme version of the Tolkien in name only abomination Amazon made that got so much well deserved hate.
I hope the creators actually have passion and love for the original stories and are treating them with care and because they want to actually give life to the books. And not like with Rings of power where they probably had not even read the stories before but just used the name to create their own story and not Tolkien.
It would be a dream come true to personally direct or showrun this series myself. It's my favorite book series and means a lot to me. I appreciate your optimism, but there is NO WAY Hollywood, Netflix, or Greta Gerwig would EVER allow this series to be produced accurately or maintain it's overtly Christian messaging and themes. The dream of having a complete and faithful cinematic depiction of these stories I've had since childhood is just that, a dream. It's NOT going to happen. They're going to expand the universe in ways that trample upon Lewis's ideas, contradict lore, and change characters dramatically to fit their own ideologies and to appeal to their new modern audience. Everything we love about this series will be warped, polluted, subverted, and corrupted. It's better to just let it go.
I kind of understand where most of these skeptical comments are coming from, but I say with certainty that they're strawmanning Netflix and the Left-wing in general. And I say this as a Left-leaning (Eastern Orthodox) Christian fan of Narnia (been a fan since childhood). "They might turn Aslan into a black panther" Seriously? Lions are native to Africa anyway. I don't like the shallow strawman, misinformed caricatures of whatever the people think is woke or left. Some Netflix movies are bad not because of the woke themes in them, but because of bad storytelling. And this is not just a left thing, the Right are equally terrible, more focused on preaching and Left/woke-bashing rather than tell a story (just look at the Daily Wire, with their poor storytelling and equally untalented acting). And its not like the Chronicles are considered conservative or anti-woke; despite what Father Christmas said to Susan, latter books would have the Heroines in combat (mostly with bows), and in the HHB, Aravis and Shasta/Cor are an interracial couple (something unheard of and uncommon in the 1950s when the books were published). And Lewis's wife, Joy Gresham, was a bold feminist type of woman with a mind of her own. She even helped CS with writing Till We Have Faces, now that book has fleshed-out and well-rounded women characters, an improvement on CS's past fictional female characterization.
You don’t get it. Some vocal critics in the past of the books already accused the portrayal of Calormene people as “islamophobic” so what is the likelihood of even an interracial couple appearing in Netflix version if they’re either going to likely nerf it or revise their ethnicity for the sake of not offending a certain group of people. Another would most likely Mary Sueing the hell out of the girls, especially Susan, knowing Greta Gerwig’s works in the past, and then misunderstanding the point of their portrayals. Even the White Witch would be given a more sympathetic treatment even though she was clearly written as a psychotic evil presence (her backstory in Magician’s Nephew clearly showed this…her murdering her entire family and world).
Have been a faithful fan of Narnia for decades and there are two things intrinsically wrong with this new adaptation....NETFLIX and Greta Gerwig. I hold out no hope for anything they produce. "Nuff said.
Everyone has to argue I sometimes feel that’s the only reason we post. I love Narnia for its amazing innocence and how someone lays down its life for another
It will all depend on how faithful they remain to the original. From what I've heard Rings of Power departed to much from Tolkien's original. Even the Peter Jackson LOTR had Faramir try to take the Ring, NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!
I hope so but I’m fearful Greta Gurwig will fail to see the ideas Lewis loved and shove feminism where it’s not supposed to be. Harry Potter is the story of Jk Rowlings life mixed with an escapist fantasy to save her inner child from a toxic family and Lewis wrote the kind of books his own inner child wanted to read. If Greta fails to understand this meta layer and include the Christian supposeal the franchise will lose the meaning and hope and charm and will fail as a pale simulacrum of the real thing.
Hopefully, Douglas Gresham, his agent, or his lawyer, puts it in the contract that no changes to characters or world will happen without his approval and consent. It's what j k Rowling and her agent did with the Harry Potter rights.
Honestly I don’t think this would be successful unless they have creative freedoms over it like they did with the movies. Let’s be honest the first narnia movie would have been boring if they didn’t extend the fight at the end
Blockbusters usually follow a very specific 3 act "Save the Cat" formula. Some adaption would certainly be needed if it is a movie. It's why I wish they had stayed with the series approach. Unfortunately it looks like they changed that plan and are making another movie.
Don't let me get your hopes up! I'm just saying that all the necessary ingredients are there. It's definitely up to Netflix and Greta to make the right choices, but if they fail it won't be because they didn't have everything they needed for success!
I am afraid that we can expect changes in the characteristics of the characters and that timeless values will be replaced by contemporary social propaganda. It is not without reason that it is said that works such as Peter Jackson's LOTR would not be created today because of political correctness. I hope I'm wrong and we get to see a great movie
I’m not a fan of Greta Gerwig. I’m dreading the inevitable girl bossification of the female characters and removal of Lewis’s Christian allegory. I hope for a faithful adaptation, but Greta likes to distinguish herself rather than her source material.
Many of the comments are exposing people's prejudices. Being woke is not a bad thing, the opposite is the case. I also want faithful adaptions, but that is not mutually exclusive from updating in some ways. It us hard to argue for example that there are racist attitudes and worldviews present in the books, possible a reflection more of the times that they were written than Lewis per se. Either way, updating this for example would be welcome. And for the record as a white, 48 year old straight man, I loved Barbie and did not view it as anti male.
I'm sorry it's just Netflix hasn't really been doing so well at all especially since they've been adding woke lgbtq stuff that should not be in that some of the shows and I'm just hoping and praying to God that this new producer does not add any of that woke stuff in Narnia and just goes by exactly what the books say that's all I ask. 😭✝️
Not to excited for a Greta Girwig Narnia. It will most likely be full of modern politics, not does she have the ability to tell what is a truly Christian tale.
Look I wanna be hyped for it as well but let's face it l. rings a power only failed because it had everything wrong with it. The people who worked on it hate the source material. It was filled with modern politics That run counter to anything that The author would be for. And that's not even getting into the corporation part. The witcher was absolutely destroyed and ruin it because the people who worked on it hated the witcher. That's why Henry caval left. And netflix is very notorious for it. But there is hope. With the mass audiences starting the notice the people ruining Entertainment. Not only that the places like black rock And others like it are losing money To the point where they can't keep funding They're Activism. narnia has a chance. A fleeting chance but a chance none the less
NarniaWeb has written several stories with reports of Gerwig's comments in interviews. She has said some things that make it sound like she knows the Narnia books well, and wants to honour them. She said she wants to treat the Narnia stories with care, a bit like how Americans feel they need to respect Shakespeare when adapting it, because its British and they're not.
I don’t know Greta Gerwig’s films, I haven’t watched any of them, including Barbie. I keep hearing how she might be a bad choice to direct two Narnia movies because she is like so many current directors, producers and screen writers who have their leftist woke agenda permeate so much of today’s movies and tv shows. Still, she might respect C.S. Lewis’ Christian books and do a decent job in putting together a very fine adaptation of his chronicles. After all, when Peter Jackson signed on to direct The Lord of the Rings, many people doubted him and thought he would screw it up. The trilogy Jackson directed turned out to be some of the best fantasy films to come out in recent years. I will reserve judgment until I’ve seen the results of Greta’s work and not automatically condemn her before she’s had a chance. You never know with people, when you think they are set in their ways in the values they hold, they turn around and surprise you. Hoping for the best since like so many millions of people, I love and cherish Lewis’ world of Narnia.
Don’t remove the Christian themes, dont gender swap, don’t race swap, no woke political crap. Don’t do these thing and you’ll have an amazing film. Do these things and you’re gonna lose money And if you really want to get in your audiences good graces rehire Liam Neeson to voice Aslan
Regarding how some treat the Chronicles of Narnia as something lesser: I find it heartbreaking that adults underestimate the power of children's stories. As the years pass, we tend to forget very important life lessons that we practiced as children. In forgetting, we begin to grow cold, hard, and cruel. Growing older, I'm starting to understand why it's important to go back to these stories. It's good to be reminded that the world isn't always such a dark place. There's still room for hope and wonder, and holding onto that is a strength, not a weakness. Maybe this is why Lewis wrote, "Some day you will be old enough to start reading fairy tales again." in the dedication to Lucy Barfield. Or how Lewis wrote Mark Studdock going back to reading a book he had abandoned as a child, at the end of That Hideous Strength. One of my favorite quotes from CS Lewis on this topic: "A children's story that can only be enjoyed by children is not a good children's story in the slightest."
Narnia is equal to Lord of the rings in complexity, although on the surface it looks far more simple. Because of that I have a deep for boating that it’s going to be ruined by modern day politics. There was even rumours that were going to try and remove the Christian themes, despite the fact that’s the whole point of it.
@@marianparoo1544 oh I know! In fact, they even had cameos in each other’s books, although you may not realise it. Did you know that the professor in the lion, the witch and the wardrobe was actually based on Professor Tolkien? And that tree beard in the Two towers was actually based off of CS Lewis.
@@marianparoo1544they did in fact discuss each others' works. And Tolkien disliked Narnia for its allegory (he famously disliked any sort of allegory in fantasy.) But he still respected Lewis as a friend and writer.
@@marianparoo1544 no both admitted publicly that they did do it. They were such good friends. They often took inspiration from each other that even included putting them into it in a secret way, or at least their character.
Unfortunately, Netflix track record isn't good. I would be shocked if they stuck to the source material. Thus far its only success has been One Piece and Dark Crystal.
Having read the Unfortunate Events books when I was young, the Netflix adaptation was actually good, being faithful to the books and expanding on it. Generally, I agree though
@@btuckervideos4705Except the third season was overall very weak. I hate that they abandoned the subplot with Larry that was set up at the end of the second season which would’ve seen him having another major role like previous episodes with him traveling to the Mortmain Mountains to the VFD headquarters to find the survivor of the fire only to have him appear in the first half of The Penultimate Peril and killed off in an unsatisfying and underwhelming manner. Also, Jacqueline’s disappearance is another factor despite having a major role in the previous 2 seasons and while I can guess is due to the actress being busy with other shows to get involved, I don’t understand they couldn’t just have recasted her. That’s what I would’ve done had I been the show-runner. While it may still have a decent elements that keep it away from going the same route as the Games of Thrones’ series finale, it’s still a disappointing final season.
How did the last 30 seconds of your video simultaneously inspire me, break me, make me want to repent, and praise all in 30 seconds.... You brilliant bastard. You did it again. Keep up the good work bro. Until the "not a tame lion" returns.... for Narnia and the north!
Lewis wrote a lot of deep truths into his Narnia books, but many people miss them because they are not familiar with his other books. I hope the writers on the project understand more about Lewis than his Narnia books.
I love Narnia, and I believe there is at least some hope. Greta Gerwig is super creative and, though I disagree with some of her messages in the Barbie movie, she did a really good job at delivering a message in a creative way. If she sticks to C. S. Lewis’s morals and the Biblical origins of Narnia, this could be a masterpiece. Here’s to hoping.
Well put. 2 out of 3 viewers couldn't finish the show. When they say "success," they point to episode 1's viewers. Rings of Prime was one of the dumbest shows I have ever seen. Episode 6 nearly killed me with its stupidity.
I'm afraid with Gretta, down with the patriarchy Gerwig, I'm not holding out much hope for this at all. It'll probably turn out Edmond repents after Lucy reminds him of his "toxic masculinity", (probably with a speech about how impossible it is to be a woman), Susan kills morgrim the wolf while Peter cowars in a corner, and the white witch has a tragic backstory all about how her father, the king of charn, oppressed her as a child! Heck, look how the Christian themes from the Wrinkle in time film got dropped in favour of a racial narrative! Again, I'd love to be proved wrong I really would, but following every other epic adaptation, Wheel of time, Rings of power, not to mention with this particularly axe grindy director, I doubt I will be. Still, there's always the bbc Narnia series from the nineties, still imho the best tv adaptation of Lewis' work to day, and that because it is %100 from the books!
I LOVE those!!!!!! I listen to them 2 or 3 times a year. The acting is perfect, and they show that you can have a 2-3 hour movie cover a book very well and be faithful.
@@charlessapp1835 I don’t think you could do the same with Prince Caspian though. There are just some stories that work well in one format, but don’t work well in others. With the format of radio, it’s a little easier since radio or audio plays are structured similarly to plays and makes it easier to structure a story like Prince Caspian into three separate parts and like most plays, has breaks, or intermissions that help with telling the story smoothly without audiences getting fatigued. With film on the other hand, that’s much harder considering Caspian has a backstory that takes place in the middle of its story and covers the whole length of the first part and the main plot doesn’t kick off until the Pevensies begin their journey to Aslan’s Hollow with Trumpkin and you have a group of characters including the titular one that are literally on the side, in that location the characters are journeying no less, just waiting for them to meet up with them and there’s several detours in between before the main characters finally get there and the climax finally kicks off. Film audiences are not the same as radio theatre audiences. A film audience would’ve gotten fatigued just waiting for the groups of characters to meet up and for any action to get going. So no, you can’t apply the same logic or even format to a film.
@@charlessapp1835 Except Prince Caspian wouldn’t translate well into a feature film format. With a radio drama that format works much better for a story like Caspian since a radio drama is structured like a play and has 3 parts or 3 acts each one acting as an intermission making easier for audiences to get engaged without feeling fatigue. In a movie however, the structure of Caspian wouldn’t work as effectively considering there’s a huge backstory that happens in the middle of the story and the second half is spent on the Pevensies, the main characters, and Trumpkin trekking throughout Narnia to Aslan’s How while the titular character is waiting for the main characters to arrive and only when they meet does any action or anything interesting begin to take place and the audience would get fatigued by then. So considering Caspian’s plot is difficult to adapt into a feature film format, changes were definitely necessary. Plus, I read that several Narnia fans consider Prince Caspian the weakest book in the series, so the original book itself was nothing spectacular to begin with.
@@hunterolaughlin My main point is that the radio drama gives a good guide how to craft a movie. Are they perfect? No. But they show that it can be done.
While I have nothing against Greta Gerwig herself and I am glad of the success she’s been having so far with Lady Bird, Little Women and recently Barbie, I don’t have any high expectations for this one. Just because Netflix did well with some adaptations like A Series of Unfortunate Events (despite having a weak final season) and One Piece, doesn’t give me any confidence or assurance that the third time will be the charm with their Narnia series. One thing I’m concerned about that makes me hesitant for this new adaptation and will be the dealbreaker for me is if they change the ending of The Last Book to fix that Susan Problem that’s been a subject among fans and a controversial aspect of the last book. I can understand the disappointment that Susan stops believing in Narnia and as a result doesn’t end up going to Aslan’s Country, but you know, that’s just how LIFE often works sometimes, and as the old saying goes: “Sometimes life isn’t fair”. Sometimes people stop believing in things and change and move on with their lives. If the adaptation of The Last Battles changes that, then I’m not going to be watching the new series.
Greta Gerwig's a con not a pro! 60% of the fanbase is male even though Lewis wrote plenty of strong female characters. Go back and re-read The Magician's Nephew or A Horse and His Boy which already have highly competent female characters who put down their male counterparts constantly and imagine how that is going to come off with Gerwig leaning into the misandrist bent of modern Hollywood. Narnia especially needs a Director who's going to be unifying rather than divisive and Gerwig no matter that Barbie was a hit is divisive. The previous movies were criticised for side-lining Susan at times{ and let's not get into the Susan Question around The Last Battle} but it's not going to be better if Peter's the one who gets side-lined or if he's constantly being berated for being "toxic". Edward and Eustace both start off as villains for goodness sake......We need a director {and writers} who's not going to condemn them further for being products of the 1950s rather than the 2020s.
Keeping an open mind.
I see a lot of preconceived notions that this is going to suck right off the bat. Well, with a collective attitude like that, I ask, how can it succeed?
If you're a fan, be open. Be open to something new and try not to expect a 1:1 ratio or compare to other mediums. Let's be excited to see what's in store. This is litterally are only shot.
If you were a fan of Dark Crystal, you'll know so many fans didn't show up. So, even the truly great DC: Age of Resistaince series was canceled indefinitely.
If this series ends up being good and you don't show up to watch, you'll be the answer to your question when you finally do end up watching: "Why didn't they make more or finish this series?".
Point is; Be open, show-up on day-one, and reserve your reservations until the end of the first season. Just a pinch of concious effort, that's all I ask and rid yourself of your bias, for Aslan's sake.
Yes, this is my attitude as well. It's not naivety, but cautious optimism. I'm wired in such a way that pre-judgement will lead to confirmation bias, and the experience will be miserable no matter how great it might be. I'd rather be disappointed than ruin an otherwise great experience!
@@IntotheWardrobe Wow! Thank you for the 📌. I wholeheartedly agree on all fronts.
If Aslan is on the move, I'll at least want to check things out.
Apologies my friend but I’ve seen movies with this director in charge, and we have seen over and over and over how these people distort the source material, or in the Witcher’s case, mock it. This isn’t close mindedness or snap judgment, this is called learning from history and yt he lesson sticking.
@@andynowicki4532 Sombody needs a hug, from a friend outside his circle, whom hails from another land.
@@justinbowers2749 Preconceived notions at the end of the day, is you getting into your own way of any chance of enjoyment. If your mind is made, that's fine. I just choose to judge from experience and I can't judge Netflix Narnia until I see it with my own two eyes, and what matters if I enjoyed it.
I mean, this is entertainment we're talking about here. If this series ends up being horrible, we still have Narnia in whatever medium you prefer. The books, the BBC series and Disney flicks still exist. Netflix can't hurt them or take them away.
Also, it's not like if the Netflix series is bad it will cause you some sort of irreversible trauma. If it sucks it sucks and we can move on with our day. Regardless, Netflix has the rights to the series for now, and by giving up now, you're only hope for another adaptation is another decade or two out.
I'd rather set my knee-jerk emotions aside and take my chances since with watching the series. There is litterally nothing to lose, we still have Narnia in our favorite forms, and there is everything to gain from me potentially enjoying the series.
Please be faithful
Please be faithful
Please be faithful
Please be like one piece
Please be faithful
They won't be
You are so naive, lool. You don t realise in what world we live now and how Hollywood works today.
Aslan will be a trans lioness;.the White Witch is now a wizard; Susan is bi; Lucy is unaccountably black despite having nothing but white relatives; Edmund and Peter will constantly panic and never be able think of anything useful, and will constantly ask the girls for advice; the beavers will charge into battle screaming, "Workers of the world unite!", TLTW&TW will now end with just two Queens as kings are no longer allowed as patriarchy has been forbidden in any form, and sixty per cent of the population of Narnia will be gay.
Any demurring or critical voices will be met with sneering middle-class brays of,
"Gammons (by which they mean working class people without a worthless degree that cost them forty grand) say fantasy animal kingdom with talking horses can't have anyone gay" etc, and quite possibly hints of Nazi sympathies. The shaking and rumbling felt by all will not be an Earthquake caused by Tash's evil machinations, but C.S. Lewis spinning in his grave, and five years afterwards, South Park will mock the piss out of it.
@@theradgegadgie6352You summed it up 100% accurately. Right down to Tash. 😂
@@theradgegadgie6352 Edmund will definitely be gay, Aslan will be voiced by a black woman. The witch will just be misunderstood, Susan will be the boss with no character arch
I am not a young adult, but an epileptic adult woman. The Chronicles of Narnia written by CS Lewis, has inspired me to write my own epic fantasy novels. Better late than never, I suppose. Thank you CS Lewis for inspiring me!
The Rings of Power failed for multiple reasons, namely failing to follow lore, failing to "channel" Tolkienian themes, and then attacking the fanbase. I hope Chronicles does the opposite *fingers crossed*
I know the RoP show is controversial, but it did not fail. Appears to have been a significant hit for Amazon. I enjoyed watching it with my friends and believe upcoming season will only improve.
@@andrewlawson7388😂
@@andrewlawson7388 Looking at the rate at which viewers actually finished the season(a dismal 37%), I'd say most people disagree. However, I will find common ground with you and hope it does indeed improve.
@@andrewlawson7388 this is sarcasm right? It was a billion dollar show with a show completion rate less then 40%.
I'm still trying to get through RoP, it just doesn't feel like Middle Earth to me. I'm reserving judgment until I finish it.
"If Netflix does it right" is the most important thing you said. And that's where all my worries lie as their history with being faithful to source material seems to be hit or miss. I mean, not respecting an IP is how they lost Henry Cavill on The Witcher because he wanted to do seven seasons . . . If they didn't stray too far from the original stories. Yeah, sorry, Henry. But I'm trying to be cautiously optimistic here. Because I really want this to be good. 🙏
Don’t hold your breathe, Greta Gerwig is involved and that means a pushing of **The Message**
That was the first thing that came to my mind.@@justinbowers2749
Gretta is just about the worst person who could be directing this, get ready for a full bastardization of the source material. Blatant disrespect for lewis and his faith. As well as race swaps and inexplicably gay characters.
I just hope if they ever get around to adapting The Last Battle, they don’t change the ending to have Susan join her siblings and her cousin and father and mother in Aslan’s Country. I don’t mean to sound like THAT fan, but if The Last Battle is going to be finally adapted, I would like for them to keep the ending the same as the source material and that includes Susan no longer believing in Narnia, or as they say “no longer a friend of Narnia”.
Don’t forget making Susan and Lucy Girlbosses who outshine their male siblings, the White Witch being portrayed as a sympathetic victim rather than a monster, and the pevensies dissolving the monarchy and instituting a republic like in Masters of the universe Revolution…wait that last one is more Kevin Smith’s deal, but my point still stands
My favourite take was the early one, BBC, I think, with a chubby, normal looking Lucy in the beginning.
I bought the BBC series as I find them to be better then the new versions.
@@danalynch8889 I just go to the audio drama series by Focus on the Family Radio Theater. The BBC version is good, but the acting falls so flat in comparison to Focus on the Family's version.
The best way for it to be the biggest success ever would be for it to stick as close as possible to the source material. No need to invent the wheel or redesign it.
And you know they won't. A combination of Gretta and Netflix spell disaster for the source material. Narnia is a Christian book that is highly allegorical. The people adapting it hate Christianity. Be ready for Susan to be a boss bitch, Edmund to be gay, Aslan to be voiced by a woman, and loads of race swaps and theme changes.
They cannot create they can only twist and destroy
Or at least any changes or expansions should be done in the spirit of CS Lewis as much as possible. They need to ask themselves “does this feel like what Lewis would do?”
@@vonsowards1297 Considering what the RoP churned out with that same mentality, I’d sooner give birth to a sailboat.
They'll make Aslan have a woman's voice, Susan will be the boss, Edmund will be gay, and half the characters will be race swapped.
Be prepared for every Christian theme to be corrupted. It will be Narnia in name only
@@nategraham6946 I guess that’s my point. Rings of Power said the exact opposite. They wanted to put themselves into it. Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings movies had the mindset to stay as true to Tolkien as possible and if things things had to be changed or embellished they tried to stay to what Tolkien would have done.
Similar to the Series of Unfortunate Events TV show. They expanded some items but they stayed true to Snicket’s style and vision.
I don’t know about Gerwig…
I feel they hired her as a feminist so they can “fix” the “problem with Susan”
And you have a great video on this channel discussing the overblown nature around the “Susan problem”
Try Neil Gaiman's book.
I have that bad feeling as well. That and Netflix’s previous adaptation of a popular book series A Series of Unfortunate Events changing the ending of the final book The End might give Netflix executives the encouragement to allow Greta to do just that with her adaptation. I really do wish that Walden Media had managed to finish the series as I’m sure they would’ve stuck to the source and not had Susan not join her family in Aslan’s Country as the last 2 films at least subtly built up her being consumed by her own materialistic world in a few scenes.
It's definitely possible. I'm not sure the execs know that much about Narnia lore to address that issue specifically, but I'm sure their top priority is $. The question I'm wondering is this: will they look at the example other properties who have failed because they disrespected the source material? Time will tell, I suppose, but I can't say there's much reason to assume they've learned their lesson "this time".
Trying to fix something that does not need fixing is a problem. I don’t mind some changes- book to film is a process of translation, and sometimes a change better preserves to story and themes due to the different “language” of film. However, underestimating the depth of the stories and importance of the themes, and thinking you need to fix them, means the series will be weakened or even doomed to fail.
@@CrankyGrandma Agree. Some changes are necessary because of the change in media.
My first exposure to the franchise was when I saw the live action movie in theaters when I was 6, I was mesmerized and a few years later I read the books
Thank you, Stuart.
6. Eternal Truths is the key. Although I'm slightly sceptical of where the Netflix series is going. Presumably there are new plot lines. That's my worry.
Greata - not thrilled about having the same creative mind that was behind Little Women and Barbie take on Narnia. Hopefully she surprises me.
Did you not like Little Women? I'm not familiar with the source text, so I can't compare, but I enjoyed the film.
@@IntotheWardrobe I never saw it, but my wife saw it and hated it, compared to the original.
While I got you here - thank you for your channel! I've read a ton of Lewis' non-fiction material but just finished the full Narnia series for the first time recently and have been binge watching.
@@IntotheWardrobeIt’s the least version of Little Women I like. Mainly I didn’t like the casting and the way they treated this version of Beth. The 1994 also had the best sisterly bonding which was sorely missing in the 2019 adaptation. Greta can’t write “family” bonding so I doubt this Narnia series would be something I’d hope she might make as great as the books did.
The new show will not hold true to these principles. Netflix will see to that they want it to be open to a broader audience, and because of that the reason that it’s a Christian story is problematic, so they’re going to remove the Christian themes I bet. They’ll try and do woke politics into it and modern ideology, despite the fact it set in a different time and a different world. All the old values mostly support the old world values, which, despite the fact much of it is good, they don’t like.
I mean, look what they’ve done with history with Alexander and Cleopatra. this is fantasy and mythical religious fantasy at that. They’re going to have a field day with this.😢
Well said - "We can hope and pray for the best". I somehow missed the initial news so I just learned about this project from this video.
It filled me with a mix of excitement and dread. I love the Chronicles of Narnia but if they'll get the Witcher treatment I would be devastated.
Making a good AND faithful adaptation of any book is hard enough even if the filmmakers and actors are fully onboard with the original vision. Now factor in the egos of all involved - wanting to leave their mark and following their vision, all the corporate studio notes focused on making the "product" rather then work of art and the faithful adaptation becomes less and less likely.
I hope and pray I'm wrong on this.
I really want it to be good.
If British people are working on it heavily, it will be a success! If it’s an American production it’s going to be a massive fail like the Disney films
Disney didn’t make the old Narnia films. They only distributed them, Walden Media was the studio that actually made the film and there were actually a few British actors and actresses and crew members involved with the films. Please kindly do more research next time.
Actually LWW and PC were co-produced by Disney and Walden and distributed by Buena Vista. VDT was the only film to distributed but not co-produced by Disney.
I do thoroughly research, and have discussed Walden's role in lots of other videos. References to "the Disney version" are just shorthand for audiences that aren't interested in the details of the movie business. :-)
@@IntotheWardrobe Thanks. Glad to see someone does unlike hanmarnah over here.
regarding stuff for you to watch with your kids. Have you looked into Angel Studios? Or Sight and Sound?
Great plugs!
Global appeal? Absolutely, I grew up with the Swedish translations. My mom read them to my sister and I as children. And dear Netflix, please please keep it faithful!
The woke war on Innocence, Truth, and Beauty continues... “The first step in liquidating a people is to erase its memory. Destroy its books, its culture, its history. Then have someone write new books, manufacture a new culture, invent a new history. Before long the nation will begin to forget what it is and what it was.”
― Milan Kundera, The Book of Laughter and Forgetting
They're going to kill it. They're going to go a different creative path with it as they like to say.
It is hard to believe Netflix can produce a version of Narnia faithful the Christian themes of C.S. Lewis' fantasy classic.
I know it’s a tall order but I just want a Peter Jackson’s quality show. Yes we have better graphics and things these days but the way Jackson’s was able to be more faithful even with what he changed really is what I want. And for someone to do the magicians nephew just once haha.
Yeah, like a number of people here, I certainly have my doubts for similar reasons, despite really wanting this to work. I suspect that if the rumours are true about a “magician’s nephew” adaptation, it’s a strategic move. On one hand, fans will be excited and it’ll draw in numbers but as far as the story is concerned, it’ll be one of the easiest to water down the Christian themes and make it more “ambiguous”
I just hope they stay true to the novels .
4 years huh, didn't realise it has been that long. The last time it failed because it wanted to copy Harry Potter and become it's rival and now it wants to copy GOT and use the same elements. This worries me as not only this is a children's series, but it appears that lessons have not been learnt.
The fact that we refuse to be a subscriber to Netflix aside... I do not see anything edifying coming out of Greta Gerwig having anything to do with Narnia. I do not see anything beautiful coming out of Netflix having anything to do with Narnia. If you look at Netflix's track record for what they do to even historical people, I'm looking at you race changed Anne Boleyn, it is not good at all. The wokeification of pretty much everything that Netflix puts out is highly disturbing.
I was just reading The magician's nephew. I have a couple of questions. 1 what happened to the first king and queen of Narnia The cabbie and his wife. 2 does the White witch Jadis make her palace where she ate the apple in the garden? 3 when the tree in our world got torn down by the storm was at the same time that The tree and Narnia fell and the White witch started her reign?
Will the Netflix Narnia start with Silver Chair as continuation of the movies, or will it be a full reboot? I hope for continuation rather than reboot.
Funding, talent and hopefully respect for the source material without changing the timeless message of Narnia!
This was the first book series I ever read and completed. I was introduced to it in high school. That was 25 years ago. It was my launchpad into other book series like Harry Potter, Dune and (my favorite book series other than narnia) Xanth. I tried to read LOTR and his style was confusing to me.
The rings of power was a failure.
The fact that they got the lady who's directed Barbie in charge that just tells me they're probably going to cut out all the Christian themes and then fill it with propaganda.
I have read the books multiple times and listened to the audio books as well. I watched the BBC and the Walden Media productions. What annoyed me about the latter two is BBC stopped at book four and Walden stopped at book 3. I have been waiting decades to see a complete production of all 7 books. I understand the last one may be an issue with everyone characterwise coming back while in real life the actors will be aging a little quicker than the productions can be released. I'm sure in today's era they figure that one out somehow.
BBC stopped at _'The Silver Chair',_ so the only *#Narnia* stories we didn't get were _'The Magician’s Nephew', 'A Horse & His Boy'_ (no great loss with that one), and _'The Last Battle'._
So whilst _'The Silver Chair'_ may’ve been the BBC’s fourth adaptation it is, nevertheless, *Book Six* (not "book four" as you stated).
I’m going to be honest I don’t want to see any gay things or anything like that no hate but c.s. Lewis produced this story and he was a strong Christian a bible believing Christian so I really pray Netflix stay true to c.s. Lewis. Love your content brother keep going👍
For it to be successful it will have to appeal to a broader audience, which may mean upsetting some narrow-minded bigots and religious types.
Gretta would be the worst for Narnia. She'll make it into femanist shit, and woke trash, and ruin what could be great.
Like Tolkien said, they cannot created they can only twist what is already created
@@spammalinaYeah would not want any Christianity in a Narnia story...*rolls eyes*
Its netflix. Going to push the agenda of course. Aslan will be a black panther.
@@spammalinaso C.S. Lewis was a narrow minded bigot?
Greta Gerwig is probably the worst choice to make a Narnia movie
A clear agenda is made with her brought to the helm. They could’ve at least hired writers and directors who are actual fans of the source material.
Your thumbnail reminded me of Oppenheimer 😂
Excited to hear that Greta Gerwig will be involved!
Where can I get a book with the Narnian Timeline in it?
The timeline was originally published in Walter Hooper's "Past Watchful Dragons," which was written by Lewis at Hooper's request.
@@IntotheWardrobe okay. Thanks
Most likely going to have gender neutral centaurs, transgender dwarves, Susan is going to be black, Aslan will be portrayed as a misogynist and Peter is going to go by the pronouns queen
This will suck. The death of Narnia was when the movies ended unfinished, now they will prop up its decaying corpse to dress it up like the rest of the nonsense that’s has been coming out these past 10-15 years to make a few bucks on those who remembered its glory.
Peculiar.
So bitter your words, the bitterness acts as some sort of adhesive that adheres your mind shut. Interestingly enough, the bitterness compulsively prompts your mouth to flap at the same time.
I find it fascinating how one could love something so much that they become the antithesis of the very thing that they love.
Love this video! Completely agree! ❤
We’ll see.
I’m still sceptical.
Greta "I'm still angry at Catholic School" Gerwig is very unlikely to stay faithful to the books. I hope she doesn't do a more extreme version of the Tolkien in name only abomination Amazon made that got so much well deserved hate.
I hope the creators actually have passion and love for the original stories and are treating them with care and because they want to actually give life to the books. And not like with Rings of power where they probably had not even read the stories before but just used the name to create their own story and not Tolkien.
i read the books when i was 10-12. im 25 now.
Can you do next, What happened to the magic rings in The Last Battle?
I interpreted it as the rings were destroyed during the train wreck.
I'm not sure I trust Netflix with this property.
“Hope and pray for the best.” I think the good Lord has more important things on his list than a Hollywood product.
It would be a dream come true to personally direct or showrun this series myself. It's my favorite book series and means a lot to me. I appreciate your optimism, but there is NO WAY Hollywood, Netflix, or Greta Gerwig would EVER allow this series to be produced accurately or maintain it's overtly Christian messaging and themes. The dream of having a complete and faithful cinematic depiction of these stories I've had since childhood is just that, a dream. It's NOT going to happen.
They're going to expand the universe in ways that trample upon Lewis's ideas, contradict lore, and change characters dramatically to fit their own ideologies and to appeal to their new modern audience. Everything we love about this series will be warped, polluted, subverted, and corrupted. It's better to just let it go.
I only hope they don’t add stuff that will give me a reason to send a LOC.
I kind of understand where most of these skeptical comments are coming from, but I say with certainty that they're strawmanning Netflix and the Left-wing in general. And I say this as a Left-leaning (Eastern Orthodox) Christian fan of Narnia (been a fan since childhood).
"They might turn Aslan into a black panther" Seriously? Lions are native to Africa anyway. I don't like the shallow strawman, misinformed caricatures of whatever the people think is woke or left. Some Netflix movies are bad not because of the woke themes in them, but because of bad storytelling. And this is not just a left thing, the Right are equally terrible, more focused on preaching and Left/woke-bashing rather than tell a story (just look at the Daily Wire, with their poor storytelling and equally untalented acting).
And its not like the Chronicles are considered conservative or anti-woke; despite what Father Christmas said to Susan, latter books would have the Heroines in combat (mostly with bows), and in the HHB, Aravis and Shasta/Cor are an interracial couple (something unheard of and uncommon in the 1950s when the books were published). And Lewis's wife, Joy Gresham, was a bold feminist type of woman with a mind of her own. She even helped CS with writing Till We Have Faces, now that book has fleshed-out and well-rounded women characters, an improvement on CS's past fictional female characterization.
Someone had to say it! Louder for those in the back.
You don’t get it. Some vocal critics in the past of the books already accused the portrayal of Calormene people as “islamophobic” so what is the likelihood of even an interracial couple appearing in Netflix version if they’re either going to likely nerf it or revise their ethnicity for the sake of not offending a certain group of people. Another would most likely Mary Sueing the hell out of the girls, especially Susan, knowing Greta Gerwig’s works in the past, and then misunderstanding the point of their portrayals. Even the White Witch would be given a more sympathetic treatment even though she was clearly written as a psychotic evil presence (her backstory in Magician’s Nephew clearly showed this…her murdering her entire family and world).
I just don’t trust them. Too many series have been ruined by becoming “modern” and greatly altering the themes and source material.
Have been a faithful fan of Narnia for decades and there are two things intrinsically wrong with this new adaptation....NETFLIX and Greta Gerwig. I hold out no hope for anything they produce. "Nuff said.
Everyone has to argue I sometimes feel that’s the only reason we post. I love Narnia for its amazing innocence and how someone lays down its life for another
Great video!
It will all depend on how faithful they remain to the original. From what I've heard Rings of Power departed to much from Tolkien's original. Even the Peter Jackson LOTR had Faramir try to take the Ring, NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!
I think people here need to read Gaiman's book about Susan.
I hope so but I’m fearful Greta Gurwig will fail to see the ideas Lewis loved and shove feminism where it’s not supposed to be. Harry Potter is the story of Jk Rowlings life mixed with an escapist fantasy to save her inner child from a toxic family and Lewis wrote the kind of books his own inner child wanted to read. If Greta fails to understand this meta layer and include the Christian supposeal the franchise will lose the meaning and hope and charm and will fail as a pale simulacrum of the real thing.
Only thing that could blow my mind about the Netflix Narnia is the sign that they begin filming
Waiting on Narnia is like waiting on Jesus. (Feels like a forever.)
So I suppose they'll make Aslan a panther
I hope Netflix Narnia gets Warwick Davis involved
He would make a fantastic Dr Cornelius!
@@IntotheWardrobe One thing I hope Netflix plays around with is the pacing. The BBC version of Silver Chair is such a chore to watch
Saying bigger than Rings of Power doesn’t mean much since that show was so poorly written and plotted it’s pitiful.
It'll be a mess. If I were a betting woman, I'd put big money on that. And 'mess' is probably being generous.
I hope they start with MN and not LWW
Netflix better not make it gay, woke, male bashing….
That s exactly what they ll do.
@@crvlad
I Want to say You're wrong...But, got a bad feeling.
@@crvlad I expect it, but I was hoping…..
Remember Witcher ? How they butchered already quite liberal source material ? Pepperidge Farm remembers!
I'm sure it will be "updated" and "inclusive". Take a masterpiece and turn it into eye candy.
…whelp, I can’t wait for War of the Rohirrim and House of the Dragon.
I'm sorry, but ever since i heard who the director is i have had no hope whatsoever for the series.
Hopefully, Douglas Gresham, his agent, or his lawyer, puts it in the contract that no changes to characters or world will happen without his approval and consent. It's what j k Rowling and her agent did with the Harry Potter rights.
Honestly I don’t think this would be successful unless they have creative freedoms over it like they did with the movies. Let’s be honest the first narnia movie would have been boring if they didn’t extend the fight at the end
Blockbusters usually follow a very specific 3 act "Save the Cat" formula. Some adaption would certainly be needed if it is a movie. It's why I wish they had stayed with the series approach. Unfortunately it looks like they changed that plan and are making another movie.
Don't do this. Don't get my hopes up that this will be amazing
Don't let me get your hopes up! I'm just saying that all the necessary ingredients are there. It's definitely up to Netflix and Greta to make the right choices, but if they fail it won't be because they didn't have everything they needed for success!
I am afraid that we can expect changes in the characteristics of the characters and that timeless values will be replaced by contemporary social propaganda. It is not without reason that it is said that works such as Peter Jackson's LOTR would not be created today because of political correctness.
I hope I'm wrong and we get to see a great movie
Greta Gerweig is directing. 💀
I’m not a fan of Greta Gerwig. I’m dreading the inevitable girl bossification of the female characters and removal of Lewis’s Christian allegory. I hope for a faithful adaptation, but Greta likes to distinguish herself rather than her source material.
Amazon went woke and the rings of power is suffering for it. And the same if Netflix continues to be woke.
Many of the comments are exposing people's prejudices. Being woke is not a bad thing, the opposite is the case. I also want faithful adaptions, but that is not mutually exclusive from updating in some ways. It us hard to argue for example that there are racist attitudes and worldviews present in the books, possible a reflection more of the times that they were written than Lewis per se. Either way, updating this for example would be welcome. And for the record as a white, 48 year old straight man, I loved Barbie and did not view it as anti male.
GET WOKE, GO BROKE!
@@glstka5710 better broke and awake
Absolutely no expectations for this to be anything but a butchered pc modern mess.
Rings of Power was a B rate show because of the poor writing.
Yeah, writing that didn't stick even close to the source material. Galadriel going and hunting for Sauron. Come on 😂
Damm that's a much higher rating then I would have given it
I'm sorry it's just Netflix hasn't really been doing so well at all especially since they've been adding woke lgbtq stuff that should not be in that some of the shows and I'm just hoping and praying to God that this new producer does not add any of that woke stuff in Narnia and just goes by exactly what the books say that's all I ask. 😭✝️
depends if they go woke or not.
Not to excited for a Greta Girwig Narnia. It will most likely be full of modern politics, not does she have the ability to tell what is a truly Christian tale.
Look I wanna be hyped for it as well but let's face it l. rings a power only failed because it had everything wrong with it.
The people who worked on it hate the source material. It was filled with modern politics That run counter to anything that The author would be for.
And that's not even getting into the corporation part.
The witcher was absolutely destroyed and ruin it because the people who worked on it hated the witcher. That's why Henry caval left.
And netflix is very notorious for it.
But there is hope. With the mass audiences starting the notice the people ruining Entertainment.
Not only that the places like black rock And others like it are losing money To the point where they can't keep funding They're Activism.
narnia has a chance. A fleeting chance but a chance none the less
Interesting. My concern is that Netflix will twist the original message/spirit of the novels until it's unrecognizeable.
A valid concern which is almost a certainty
Hoping for the best, but expecting another Rings of Prime.
bingo
NarniaWeb has written several stories with reports of Gerwig's comments in interviews. She has said some things that make it sound like she knows the Narnia books well, and wants to honour them. She said she wants to treat the Narnia stories with care, a bit like how Americans feel they need to respect Shakespeare when adapting it, because its British and they're not.
I don’t know Greta Gerwig’s films, I haven’t watched any of them, including Barbie. I keep hearing how she might be a bad choice to direct two Narnia movies because she is like so many current directors, producers and screen writers who have their leftist woke agenda permeate so much of today’s movies and tv shows. Still, she might respect C.S. Lewis’ Christian books and do a decent job in putting together a very fine adaptation of his chronicles. After all, when Peter Jackson signed on to direct The Lord of the Rings, many people doubted him and thought he would screw it up. The trilogy Jackson directed turned out to be some of the best fantasy films to come out in recent years. I will reserve judgment until I’ve seen the results of Greta’s work and not automatically condemn her before she’s had a chance. You never know with people, when you think they are set in their ways in the values they hold, they turn around and surprise you. Hoping for the best since like so many millions of people, I love and cherish Lewis’ world of Narnia.
Don’t remove the Christian themes, dont gender swap, don’t race swap, no woke political crap.
Don’t do these thing and you’ll have an amazing film. Do these things and you’re gonna lose money
And if you really want to get in your audiences good graces rehire Liam Neeson to voice Aslan
Bingo!
THIS!!!
Regarding how some treat the Chronicles of Narnia as something lesser: I find it heartbreaking that adults underestimate the power of children's stories. As the years pass, we tend to forget very important life lessons that we practiced as children. In forgetting, we begin to grow cold, hard, and cruel. Growing older, I'm starting to understand why it's important to go back to these stories. It's good to be reminded that the world isn't always such a dark place. There's still room for hope and wonder, and holding onto that is a strength, not a weakness. Maybe this is why Lewis wrote, "Some day you will be old enough to start reading fairy tales again." in the dedication to Lucy Barfield. Or how Lewis wrote Mark Studdock going back to reading a book he had abandoned as a child, at the end of That Hideous Strength.
One of my favorite quotes from CS Lewis on this topic: "A children's story that can only be enjoyed by children is not a good children's story in the slightest."
Narnia is equal to Lord of the rings in complexity, although on the surface it looks far more simple. Because of that I have a deep for boating that it’s going to be ruined by modern day politics. There was even rumours that were going to try and remove the Christian themes, despite the fact that’s the whole point of it.
Lewis and Tolkien were besties. I'm sure they discussed their works in progress together.
@@marianparoo1544 oh I know! In fact, they even had cameos in each other’s books, although you may not realise it. Did you know that the professor in the lion, the witch and the wardrobe was actually based on Professor Tolkien?
And that tree beard in the Two towers was actually based off of CS Lewis.
@@wolftal1178 so where was Tolkien in Narnia? I’ll have to think of it
@@marianparoo1544they did in fact discuss each others' works. And Tolkien disliked Narnia for its allegory (he famously disliked any sort of allegory in fantasy.) But he still respected Lewis as a friend and writer.
@@marianparoo1544 no both admitted publicly that they did do it. They were such good friends. They often took inspiration from each other that even included putting them into it in a secret way, or at least their character.
Unfortunately, Netflix track record isn't good. I would be shocked if they stuck to the source material. Thus far its only success has been One Piece and Dark Crystal.
Don't forget a series of Unfortunate Events. And Stranger Things.
Oh and more recently Lady Chatterley's Lover (a movie though, not a series)
Having read the Unfortunate Events books when I was young, the Netflix adaptation was actually good, being faithful to the books and expanding on it. Generally, I agree though
@@btuckervideos4705Except the third season was overall very weak. I hate that they abandoned the subplot with Larry that was set up at the end of the second season which would’ve seen him having another major role like previous episodes with him traveling to the Mortmain Mountains to the VFD headquarters to find the survivor of the fire only to have him appear in the first half of The Penultimate Peril and killed off in an unsatisfying and underwhelming manner. Also, Jacqueline’s disappearance is another factor despite having a major role in the previous 2 seasons and while I can guess is due to the actress being busy with other shows to get involved, I don’t understand they couldn’t just have recasted her. That’s what I would’ve done had I been the show-runner. While it may still have a decent elements that keep it away from going the same route as the Games of Thrones’ series finale, it’s still a disappointing final season.
They ruined The Voyage of the Dawntreader. Not true to the book at all
How did the last 30 seconds of your video simultaneously inspire me, break me, make me want to repent, and praise all in 30 seconds.... You brilliant bastard. You did it again. Keep up the good work bro. Until the "not a tame lion" returns.... for Narnia and the north!
Lewis wrote a lot of deep truths into his Narnia books, but many people miss them because they are not familiar with his other books. I hope the writers on the project understand more about Lewis than his Narnia books.
Yes. So much of the worldview displayed in works like The Ransom Trilogy are condensed and distilled in Narnia.
I love Narnia, and I believe there is at least some hope. Greta Gerwig is super creative and, though I disagree with some of her messages in the Barbie movie, she did a really good job at delivering a message in a creative way. If she sticks to C. S. Lewis’s morals and the Biblical origins of Narnia, this could be a masterpiece. Here’s to hoping.
This is my attitude at this point as well. Thanks for sharing!
I imagine you are a woman if you supported that barbie movie. No man would support that feminist crap
If she fails, Aslan will see to it that she knows she's done wrong, and that she will not be welcome in his country.
"success of rings of power" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's funny because Rings of Power is a blazing garbage fire of Tolkien's legacy.
Anyone who thinks it's good looses any of my ability to trust their opinion
Well put. 2 out of 3 viewers couldn't finish the show. When they say "success," they point to episode 1's viewers. Rings of Prime was one of the dumbest shows I have ever seen. Episode 6 nearly killed me with its stupidity.
I'm afraid with Gretta, down with the patriarchy Gerwig, I'm not holding out much hope for this at all.
It'll probably turn out Edmond repents after Lucy reminds him of his "toxic masculinity", (probably with a speech about how impossible it is to be a woman), Susan kills morgrim the wolf while Peter cowars in a corner, and the white witch has a tragic backstory all about how her father, the king of charn, oppressed her as a child!
Heck, look how the Christian themes from the Wrinkle in time film got dropped in favour of a racial narrative!
Again, I'd love to be proved wrong I really would, but following every other epic adaptation, Wheel of time, Rings of power, not to mention with this particularly axe grindy director, I doubt I will be.
Still, there's always the bbc Narnia series from the nineties, still imho the best tv adaptation of Lewis' work to day, and that because it is %100 from the books!
I hope that the Netflix version is as faithful as the 1999-2002 Focus on the Family Radio Theatre adaptations on the Chronicles of Narnia were.
I LOVE those!!!!!! I listen to them 2 or 3 times a year. The acting is perfect, and they show that you can have a 2-3 hour movie cover a book very well and be faithful.
I doubt it, but we can always hope.
@@charlessapp1835 I don’t think you could do the same with Prince Caspian though. There are just some stories that work well in one format, but don’t work well in others. With the format of radio, it’s a little easier since radio or audio plays are structured similarly to plays and makes it easier to structure a story like Prince Caspian into three separate parts and like most plays, has breaks, or intermissions that help with telling the story smoothly without audiences getting fatigued. With film on the other hand, that’s much harder considering Caspian has a backstory that takes place in the middle of its story and covers the whole length of the first part and the main plot doesn’t kick off until the Pevensies begin their journey to Aslan’s Hollow with Trumpkin and you have a group of characters including the titular one that are literally on the side, in that location the characters are journeying no less, just waiting for them to meet up with them and there’s several detours in between before the main characters finally get there and the climax finally kicks off. Film audiences are not the same as radio theatre audiences. A film audience would’ve gotten fatigued just waiting for the groups of characters to meet up and for any action to get going. So no, you can’t apply the same logic or even format to a film.
@@charlessapp1835 Except Prince Caspian wouldn’t translate well into a feature film format. With a radio drama that format works much better for a story like Caspian since a radio drama is structured like a play and has 3 parts or 3 acts each one acting as an intermission making easier for audiences to get engaged without feeling fatigue. In a movie however, the structure of Caspian wouldn’t work as effectively considering there’s a huge backstory that happens in the middle of the story and the second half is spent on the Pevensies, the main characters, and Trumpkin trekking throughout Narnia to Aslan’s How while the titular character is waiting for the main characters to arrive and only when they meet does any action or anything interesting begin to take place and the audience would get fatigued by then. So considering Caspian’s plot is difficult to adapt into a feature film format, changes were definitely necessary. Plus, I read that several Narnia fans consider Prince Caspian the weakest book in the series, so the original book itself was nothing spectacular to begin with.
@@hunterolaughlin My main point is that the radio drama gives a good guide how to craft a movie. Are they perfect? No. But they show that it can be done.
The fact that Greta Gerwig is directing this is a bad sign. I doubt it will be very true to the books.
but probably quite PC
I know nothing of this woman, but I will riot if she “woke-ifies” CoN
Not with the current ownership of Netflix nope. The Cuties people?.nope. degenerate board.
While I have nothing against Greta Gerwig herself and I am glad of the success she’s been having so far with Lady Bird, Little Women and recently Barbie, I don’t have any high expectations for this one. Just because Netflix did well with some adaptations like A Series of Unfortunate Events (despite having a weak final season) and One Piece, doesn’t give me any confidence or assurance that the third time will be the charm with their Narnia series.
One thing I’m concerned about that makes me hesitant for this new adaptation and will be the dealbreaker for me is if they change the ending of The Last Book to fix that Susan Problem that’s been a subject among fans and a controversial aspect of the last book. I can understand the disappointment that Susan stops believing in Narnia and as a result doesn’t end up going to Aslan’s Country, but you know, that’s just how LIFE often works sometimes, and as the old saying goes: “Sometimes life isn’t fair”. Sometimes people stop believing in things and change and move on with their lives. If the adaptation of The Last Battles changes that, then I’m not going to be watching the new series.
Greta Gerwig's a con not a pro!
60% of the fanbase is male even though Lewis wrote plenty of strong female characters.
Go back and re-read The Magician's Nephew or A Horse and His Boy which already have highly competent female characters who put down their male counterparts constantly and imagine how that is going to come off with Gerwig leaning into the misandrist bent of modern Hollywood.
Narnia especially needs a Director who's going to be unifying rather than divisive and Gerwig no matter that Barbie was a hit is divisive.
The previous movies were criticised for side-lining Susan at times{ and let's not get into the Susan Question around The Last Battle} but it's not going to be better if Peter's the one who gets side-lined or if he's constantly being berated for being "toxic".
Edward and Eustace both start off as villains for goodness sake......We need a director {and writers} who's not going to condemn them further for being products of the 1950s rather than the 2020s.
I don't like rop and I have little hope for this but I will watch it
Greta Gerwig is involved, and that just tells you everything you need to know. The Narnia Netflix series will be dead on arrival.
Netflix Narnia gonna be as good adaptation as Netflix Witcher 🤣
My son and I never heard of these stories until we watched the 80’s BBC version. We were hooked!!