Thank you this video was very helpful for me. I've been struggling with shifting and third position for about 2 months now. And I think this really helps me to get where I need to be thank you.
I come back again. And this time I noticed that the sound your violin have is really sounding! It is loud and brilliant, even my speaker vibrates! I think it is the resonance, and this is what made sounds become tones and music.
Very easy and good explanation. Well done & thank you. Luv the table - whoever thinks a table needs all four legs with the same height need to think again.
Very usefull.and clear .you say things that I just did because I onlu supposed them !! I hope there are videos like this of you for the other positions My best regards
Thank you for this video. It was super helpful, I have been struggling with playing in 3rd for the past few weeks, and weirdly, shifting isn't even the hard part right now, it's getting the notes right! Using the upper and lower strings for comparison hadn't even crossed my mind!
Feral Fae it is a practice which also works kind of for the other fingers. 3rd finger with lower string is a sixth and fourth finger with upper string is a third. Maybe you can use this as well, if you can hear those intervals! I use this method always, when I feel insecure with intonation. It‘ s quick and easy! 😏 Thank you for your comment👍👍
Thanks Simon...i feel confident with third position now ... will work the notes in scale form...studio looks like a cool hangout....i have a studio also but not as finished as your but still fun!!!!
Thanks for the information and explanation. I actually started modern violin several years back, however did not go very far back then. I am more interested in baroque violin so I started lessons in baroque violin with my first teacher for baroque violin when I lived in Korea. I am now back in Canada and I am working on it by myself. I will start using 2nd position. Thank you.
thank you. very good information. Just starting 3rd position with my teacher and this is a nice supplement and review. Also the comedy bit was hilarious - so German humor.
It was very easy for me thank you. Just finding a perfect octave with the open string below. I'm still very much a beginner only having my violin for one month now. So far everything I have learned about playing my violin has come from previous musical experience of playing other instruments and RUclips. Thanks to people like you Simon.
Simon, you are so funny right in the end! It was of course very helpful! I find it difficult coming back on a scale to know where/when to shift. Going up is much easier!
I use to practice scales one times up and downwards two times! That compensates for the higher difficulty downwards. But still.... you are right: downwards is much harder
Nice video! I like the background, I thought it was where you were until you flipped it upside down😂. The video was very helpful, as I am working on 3rd position currently. I like the little bits of humor you add throughout your videos, gives me a laugh lol😂.
Some violinists like fiddlerman and Ray Chen say you should rest your wrist because they have always been trying to teach by finding locations to find the position Like put your thumb in the curvature of the violin next to the scroll and it is first position Shift up with your wrist a bit and you are in 2nd position Rest your wrist on the shoulder of the instrument and you are in 3rd That is how they teach and i have no argument against any opinion as it is music and it sounds beautiful both ways They teach by landmarks of your thumb or wrist
Ray Chen is a great player and what works for him just works. I can't argue against that. Also I myself use and also advise my students to use the wrist touching the body of the violin for 3rd position if necessary. It is not a "clean" way to play in the 3rd position though! Ideally the wrist should in the 3rd position already be in a position, which also works for higher positions. If the wrist is too flat, you get stuck higher up the fingerboard or have to change too much. But of course there are many factors to consider. The thumb position for example is also quite a delicate matter, since it is partly very personal where you hold it. But there are some good principles for the thumb to keep in mind, to play efficiently. Some great players do that intuitively.
@@SimonStreuffViolinEducation I just think that it is not wrong but my teacher has told me to bend my wrist the the first 3 positions in a right angle with a violin He has very big hands unlike me (I am a beginner kid but I have been listening to classical music since the end of last year) he has also told me to never ever move my hand while I play if I am not shifting (I still did not take how to shift) as it will hindere when I learn vibrato because it will make it hard to develop every string alone if I move my hand No problems with your opinion nor ray chen's opinion They just are almost like bow holds
Go closer to the bridge with the bow. Upper registers on the A-String are hard to make sound good. Try closer to the bridge and experiment with bow speed and pressure!
Thank you! I'm a 45 yr. old trying to review beginner basics, learn the third position, and learn vibrato. Can you recommend any technique books for learning vibrato and 3rd position?
There are a lot of books, which introduce the 3rd position, but I am from Germany and not very fond of the English violin schools. But for vibrato... most school books try to evade that topic and leave it to the teacher to solve. I know some places, where you can get ideas from in written form. But to be honest, there is more dense information on RUclips, than you would find in most of the books. I also have two quite in depth videos about vibrato. If you haven't seen them, here is one link: ruclips.net/video/BIUc-j1iNV4/видео.html I think the visual demonstration of the technique is in this case quite important!
Check out a booklet called Viva Vibrato. The exercises are fairly self explanatory for self-learners. Also check Violin Lab on RUclips for Beth's vibrato course. It's only $29 for the stand alone course and I'm really enjoying it. The exercises are actually similar to the Viva Vibrato book, but with video example and played with lovely music. Good luck with your violin adventure.
@@luvkayakn Thank you for the suggestions! I always planned to do a similar thing, like a full vibrato workout course. It will come when I get the time one day! Violin Lab is a good adress though!
Can you record some of the pieces in trinity exams You sound amazing so I would like to listen to it The recordings are all sightreaded and some have written in the description not perfect so I feel like it is going to affect my practice Love your videos and you are very good at explaining I hope you become a famous teacher
Das ist irgendein Foto von einem Raum und eigentlich sitze ich vor einem grünen Tuch ;) nennt sich greenscreen... ganz praktisch, wenn man keinen so schönenn Raum hat :D
What part of L H is very important during vibrato. Kindly help me, as perfect vibrato isvery essential for practicing, so that I can prepare myself. Your kindness is solicited. Good night.
Thanks for the video, but I have one question. The other tutors say the wrist should touch the violin when playing third position and that’s is the right way, but for me i feel it is limiting my fingers , so are there 2 theories on that, or is it the only right way, not to touch it? Thanks
In my opinion touching the violin with the wrist in the third position will result in a strange wrist position. Using it as a guidance sometimes comes into handy. But it is actually technically "cleaner" if you don't touch the violin in the third position. I would never say never, but I will definitely say not touching the violin is the ideal way to learn third position!
I'm sorry, I'm a beginner self taught on how to learn violin, so I don't understand why we need to shift position. I understand when to shift for E string when there's a note above the E string on the music sheets, but I don't know how to tell when I should shift for G, D, and A string. Please help me master!!!
Thank's for your question! Usually we do shifts for musical reasons on the lower strings. For example to keep a melody on one string, rather than on two strings. Also the sound-color is different in higher positions on the lower strings, so that sometimes you just want a warmer sound on a higher note and play it on a lower string in higher position.
Simon Streuff Violin-Education so to sum it up, it all comes down to feeling whether or not you want to shift the position for a better sound right? However, I don't really get about keeping the melody in one string, I get that the fourth finger sounds similar to the next open string, but is the notes that comes after the fourth finger also plays the same like the first and second finger for the higher string?
Yes, correct; the fifth position on the A string, for example, should be the same note as the first position of the e string, and so on. Provided, that the instrument is in tune, that is, of course :D What about your violin (strings); did you notice a difference in tone/sound between similar notes on different strings? On mine, for example, the D string sounds a bit darker than the A string. The e string, and surprisingly the G string as well, are the ones with most clarity - to my ears, and on my violin. So, when I want to "jump into the foreground" playing a lead part of a melody, I prefer these strings - as far as I can, as beginner :D But the tonal difference between strings depend on the violin and the strings, as far as I understand. To my mind, it's a nice exploration to find out what tonal palette one's own violin and strings do provide. Anyway, hope that helps - happy playing! \m/ ~ Michael
Sorry I didn't see your comment somehow. Yes the 1st and 2nd finger on the higher string in first position are the same notes than the 3rd and 4th finger on the lower string. So you can decide by difficulty or sound, which one you prefer in a certain situation. Hope that late answer helps
Thanks for trying to answer the question. I didn't see it somehow. "But the tonal difference between strings depend on the violin and the strings, as far as I understand." That is correct if you talk about tone color! Each violin is very different. Good instruments should be kind of well balanced across the strings, but it is also true that you have a different sound on the different strings, to have more colors to your disposal.
I have watched the whole video and no snoozing!! haha! thanks for the education which i loved and needed!
Glad to hear that! No snooze especially! :)
Thank you this video was very helpful for me. I've been struggling with shifting and third position for about 2 months now. And I think this really helps me to get where I need to be thank you.
I come back again. And this time I noticed that the sound your violin have is really sounding! It is loud and brilliant, even my speaker vibrates! I think it is the resonance, and this is what made sounds become tones and music.
This lessom was very helpful. i was strugling to learn third position for a while. Thank you for making it so easy.
I liked your video very much and felt very comfortable following your examples. wunderbah!
Thank you! It is spelled "wunderbar", but sounds like you wrote it!
Brilliant thanks! Didn’t fall asleep at all! Got excited to practice :-)
Thank you Simon. Good clear explanation of 3rd position. Like the humour too! No - I didn't fall asleep during the video!
Very good and very useful video. Thank you.
Great instructions...[that last position (head back) is my go to position:)]....thanks!
it's the best :D final position
Very easy and good explanation. Well done & thank you. Luv the table - whoever thinks a table needs all four legs with the same height need to think again.
:D Whoever thinks he needs anything.... you just need a greenscreen....
I watch you everyday duringmy practice time.. this is fun
This is so informative, I will try these next time I practice :)
Thank you Whitney! :)
Well done. Better then others. Good tip is not to shift right. Away,but to get use to playing in third position first. As you mentioned.
Thank you so much very interesting video for the basic technique!
Thank you for your comment!
Very usefull.and clear .you say things that I just did because I onlu supposed them !!
I hope there are videos like this of you for the other positions
My best regards
Thanks so much for explaining the highest note on the violin
Thank you, but third position isn't the highest note. It can go much higher than this!
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Thank you for this video. It was super helpful, I have been struggling with playing in 3rd for the past few weeks, and weirdly, shifting isn't even the hard part right now, it's getting the notes right! Using the upper and lower strings for comparison hadn't even crossed my mind!
Feral Fae it is a practice which also works kind of for the other fingers. 3rd finger with lower string is a sixth and fourth finger with upper string is a third. Maybe you can use this as well, if you can hear those intervals! I use this method always, when I feel insecure with intonation. It‘ s quick and easy! 😏 Thank you for your comment👍👍
Simon Streuff Violin-Education thank you for the useful tips, as always :) I've just started using that method, and it really helps!
This Helped me
Glad to hear that :)
@@SimonStreuffViolinEducation :) 😁😄
Hey can u please tell me how to read second or more position on seeft music!🙏
Thanks Simon...i feel confident with third position now ... will work the notes in scale form...studio looks like a cool hangout....i have a studio also but not as finished as your but still fun!!!!
Hey, thank you! Regarding the studio: it is a green screen :)
@@SimonStreuffViolinEducation that's made me laugh....thanks for the reply
This is the best video on 3rd position :D Thank you very much for the great tips. Keep up the good work!
Thank you so much! More technical videos soon! :)
Very useful, Simon. Thank you.
You are welcome man!
Very helpful, thank you
Hi, you're videos are very helpful.thank you.
Thank you!!
Very helpful!! Thanks
This is super helpful! Thank you!
Thanks for the information and explanation. I actually started modern violin several years back, however did not go very far back then. I am more interested in baroque violin so I started lessons in baroque violin with my first teacher for baroque violin when I lived in Korea. I am now back in Canada and I am working on it by myself. I will start using 2nd position. Thank you.
2nd position is very much underrated! Good to practice that!
Perfect
Thank you for commenting! :)
This was most helpful and I am not asleep!
This is awesome thank you
You are awesome. Thank you!
Thank you so much!
Thank you ❤️
Thanks Simon! Loved the falling asleep part at the end 😴 and also everything before that btw
Thank you! :D
What falling asleep? ..Oh no, I fell asleep! 💤
Thank You very much!!
Great video. Thank you!
Thank you :)
Thaankyou for the video! I can play third position already, but more information is always better!! ♡ Daphne
Thank You Daphne!
nice
Thank you
thank you. very good information. Just starting 3rd position with my teacher and this is a nice supplement and review. Also the comedy bit was hilarious - so German humor.
I like that you find it funny! It is pretty silly ;) but I enjoy doing silly things from time to time!
It was very easy for me thank you. Just finding a perfect octave with the open string below. I'm still very much a beginner only having my violin for one month now. So far everything I have learned about playing my violin has come from previous musical experience of playing other instruments and RUclips. Thanks to people like you Simon.
Simon, you are so funny right in the end! It was of course very helpful! I find it difficult coming back on a scale to know where/when to shift. Going up is much easier!
I use to practice scales one times up and downwards two times! That compensates for the higher difficulty downwards. But still.... you are right: downwards is much harder
Nice.... Thanks
Thank you for your comment!
Great video with an excellent method for getting to 3rd position from 1st, and the snoring but at the end reminds me of my violins G string! 😜
The thing is, I really snort :D
Thank you...lot...it's a great help
Thanks sir
Hallo Simon,
ist das ok, notationsaufkleber auf der violine zu verwenden?
Thank you. This is so informative. It will be very useful for me as I am practicing now on this lesson.(third possition
great! This is what I like to hear!
Very useful...
Great stuff, Simon. 🙏🏻
thank you!!
definitely helped me clear and practical instructions you are great teacher. Thank you for help.
Mukundan Pkandath Thank you for your comment! 🙂
Awesome video, thank you...
Nice video! I like the background, I thought it was where you were until you flipped it upside down😂. The video was very helpful, as I am working on 3rd position currently. I like the little bits of humor you add throughout your videos, gives me a laugh lol😂.
silly isn't it :D
Some violinists like fiddlerman and Ray Chen say you should rest your wrist because they have always been trying to teach by finding locations to find the position
Like put your thumb in the curvature of the violin next to the scroll and it is first position
Shift up with your wrist a bit and you are in 2nd position
Rest your wrist on the shoulder of the instrument and you are in 3rd
That is how they teach and i have no argument against any opinion as it is music and it sounds beautiful both ways
They teach by landmarks of your thumb or wrist
Ray Chen is a great player and what works for him just works. I can't argue against that. Also I myself use and also advise my students to use the wrist touching the body of the violin for 3rd position if necessary. It is not a "clean" way to play in the 3rd position though! Ideally the wrist should in the 3rd position already be in a position, which also works for higher positions. If the wrist is too flat, you get stuck higher up the fingerboard or have to change too much. But of course there are many factors to consider. The thumb position for example is also quite a delicate matter, since it is partly very personal where you hold it. But there are some good principles for the thumb to keep in mind, to play efficiently. Some great players do that intuitively.
@@SimonStreuffViolinEducation I just think that it is not wrong but my teacher has told me to bend my wrist the the first 3 positions in a right angle with a violin
He has very big hands unlike me (I am a beginner kid but I have been listening to classical music since the end of last year) he has also told me to never ever move my hand while I play if I am not shifting (I still did not take how to shift) as it will hindere when I learn vibrato because it will make it hard to develop every string alone if I move my hand
No problems with your opinion nor ray chen's opinion
They just are almost like bow holds
Awesome video !! Thanks 🔥🔥
Thank you so much!
You are the best
Thank you for the video. I will practice it in this way. ;-)
Have fun! :D
Thanks Simon. How do you make the notes sound good on the third position?? They don't sound great for for me. Especially on the A string.
Go closer to the bridge with the bow. Upper registers on the A-String are hard to make sound good. Try closer to the bridge and experiment with bow speed and pressure!
Excellent! You know what? This works exactly the same on a mandolin, keeping the straight wrist.
I know, the mandolin is so similar to the violin. I once get one into my hands and I started playing the Ciaccona by J.S.Bach... it went ok :D
thank you master 😍😊
Lilu Díaz 😄 thank you!
Simon Streuff Violin-Education 😊✌
very helpful, thanks.
Thank you for your comment! You are welcome!
ausgezeichnet!! danke vielmals
this video helped me so much! I'm at 3rd position right now
perfect! Good luck with your practice :)
Cooooollll!! Thanks for uploading this video!!!
You are welcome!
Thank you! I'm a 45 yr. old trying to review beginner basics, learn the third position, and learn vibrato. Can you recommend any technique books for learning vibrato and 3rd position?
There are a lot of books, which introduce the 3rd position, but I am from Germany and not very fond of the English violin schools. But for vibrato... most school books try to evade that topic and leave it to the teacher to solve. I know some places, where you can get ideas from in written form. But to be honest, there is more dense information on RUclips, than you would find in most of the books. I also have two quite in depth videos about vibrato. If you haven't seen them, here is one link: ruclips.net/video/BIUc-j1iNV4/видео.html I think the visual demonstration of the technique is in this case quite important!
Check out a booklet called Viva Vibrato. The exercises are fairly self explanatory for self-learners. Also check Violin Lab on RUclips for Beth's vibrato course. It's only $29 for the stand alone course and I'm really enjoying it. The exercises are actually similar to the Viva Vibrato book, but with video example and played with lovely music. Good luck with your violin adventure.
@@luvkayakn Thank you for the suggestions! I always planned to do a similar thing, like a full vibrato workout course. It will come when I get the time one day! Violin Lab is a good adress though!
Can you record some of the pieces in trinity exams
You sound amazing so I would like to listen to it
The recordings are all sightreaded and some have written in the description not perfect so I feel like it is going to affect my practice
Love your videos and you are very good at explaining
I hope you become a famous teacher
Ein tolles Video!!! 3rd Pothition! 😂 Wie hast du den Hintergrund gemacht? Es sieht sehr realistisch aus... 😮
Das ist irgendein Foto von einem Raum und eigentlich sitze ich vor einem grünen Tuch ;) nennt sich greenscreen... ganz praktisch, wenn man keinen so schönenn Raum hat :D
What part of L H is very important during vibrato. Kindly help me, as perfect vibrato isvery essential for practicing, so that I can prepare myself. Your kindness is solicited. Good night.
Thanks for the video, but I have one question. The other tutors say the wrist should touch the violin when playing third position and that’s is the right way, but for me i feel it is limiting my fingers , so are there 2 theories on that, or is it the only right way, not to touch it? Thanks
In my opinion touching the violin with the wrist in the third position will result in a strange wrist position. Using it as a guidance sometimes comes into handy. But it is actually technically "cleaner" if you don't touch the violin in the third position. I would never say never, but I will definitely say not touching the violin is the ideal way to learn third position!
Can you show the finger pattern for the 3rd position plz
except for 3rd position how many positions are there ?
Should i learn the third position without learning the second position
Ich will auch so ein Studio
16 Euro!!
I'm playing all the nursery rhymes in 3rd position ( Suzuki ) good to know legato is easier in 3rd position too😀
Thank you, awesome!!
Thank you! :)
I'm sorry, I'm a beginner self taught on how to learn violin, so I don't understand why we need to shift position. I understand when to shift for E string when there's a note above the E string on the music sheets, but I don't know how to tell when I should shift for G, D, and A string. Please help me master!!!
Thank's for your question! Usually we do shifts for musical reasons on the lower strings. For example to keep a melody on one string, rather than on two strings. Also the sound-color is different in higher positions on the lower strings, so that sometimes you just want a warmer sound on a higher note and play it on a lower string in higher position.
Simon Streuff Violin-Education so to sum it up, it all comes down to feeling whether or not you want to shift the position for a better sound right?
However, I don't really get about keeping the melody in one string, I get that the fourth finger sounds similar to the next open string, but is the notes that comes after the fourth finger also plays the same like the first and second finger for the higher string?
Yes, correct; the fifth position on the A string, for example, should be the same note as the first position of the e string, and so on. Provided, that the instrument is in tune, that is, of course :D
What about your violin (strings); did you notice a difference in tone/sound between similar notes on different strings? On mine, for example, the D string sounds a bit darker than the A string. The e string, and surprisingly the G string as well, are the ones with most clarity - to my ears, and on my violin. So, when I want to "jump into the foreground" playing a lead part of a melody, I prefer these strings - as far as I can, as beginner :D
But the tonal difference between strings depend on the violin and the strings, as far as I understand. To my mind, it's a nice exploration to find out what tonal palette one's own violin and strings do provide.
Anyway, hope that helps - happy playing! \m/
~ Michael
Sorry I didn't see your comment somehow. Yes the 1st and 2nd finger on the higher string in first position are the same notes than the 3rd and 4th finger on the lower string. So you can decide by difficulty or sound, which one you prefer in a certain situation. Hope that late answer helps
Thanks for trying to answer the question. I didn't see it somehow.
"But the tonal difference between strings depend on the violin and the strings, as far as I understand."
That is correct if you talk about tone color!
Each violin is very different. Good instruments should be kind of well balanced across the strings, but it is also true that you have a different sound on the different strings, to have more colors to your disposal.
So I gave a like
much appreciated! :)
@@SimonStreuffViolinEducation :)
Hey, you are a member of violinist.com aren't you? I recognize your photo.
Yes, I post there from time to time, when I have nothing better to do :D Are you active on that forum too?
It was fucking helpful. Thanks!!!
Thank you so fucking much. ;)
Very helpful! You're also funny! Lol
Out stending
Thank you! :)
Great, now I know how to turn my violin into an autocratic command economy! Wait, wrong third position...
I learned something today! :)
YOU TEACH GOOD 😂 I got better cus of u