Thank you so much for a step into nostalgia. I was born and lived for over twenty years just round the corner. When I was 15 I got a Saturday job cleaning and restocking the shelves, mowing the lawns etc at the Windermere pub. This was mid 1960's when the old footbridge was there before they built the subway. On the way to work I used to stand on the footbridge as steam trains chucked minty smelling steam up each side as they passed. The pub was very busy then and I think the landlord was Mr Stainings (can't remember first name). Always took trains from South Kenton station where the ticket office was a wooden hut like construction as you entered the platforms. Going up from the pub side toward North Wembley station was Collars laundry where my father used to get is separate stiff collars and the Wrigleys spearmint factory which is large white building just before GEC Hurst research and the North Wembley station.
I love the Bakerloo, use it everyday commuting, the clackety old trains and their interior are brilliant. Although new trains will be very welcome, I personally will be sad to see these old-timers finally retire. Good work Geoff.
I love South Kenton Station. Great for watching trains on the West Coast Main Line and as there's no ticket barriers you don't have to spend 1/2 hour explaining to the member of staff you're a railway enthusiast and just want to watch trains!
The Windermere pub is actually still open, and is well worth visiting - I've used South Kenton several times to get to the pub, and was last there in early December 2019. The inside of the pub is actually listed in CAMRA's inventory of historic pub interiors, as it is a beautiful unaltered example of a 1930s Metroland era pub. Parts of the pub are indeed rarely used, but the nearside door (closest to the underpass) should open if you give it a push.
I worked at that pub in the years 1964-66 and It used to be very busy especially friday night sing along. Publican named something Stainings drove a Vanden Plas
I lived around the corner from South Kenton in the 80's and to quote an icon of that era, it has always had an "every day is like Sunday" feel about it. Good to see the old girl again though.
Most stations on the Goblin Line now have ticket barriers but a couple of years ago, only Blackhorse Road, Barking and Gospel Oak had them. Most London Overground Stations now have ticket barriers or are having them put in. There's currently 12 London Underground stations you can access at least one platform without passing through a ticket barrier.
I watch from Fremantle Western Australia, apart from Antartica almost the furthest you could get from London, however I will be in London in June, and funny enough I was born in London.
I love this channel very much, the underground is endlessly fascinating. I miss earls court particularly and its. complicated old school district line platforms.
@Eric Mugisha But people can use both of those stations without boarding the cable car, because in each case, there is another line serving that station.
I assume passenger stats are based on the other stations that the person touches in/out at. I bet there isn't that many people who get on and off between Queens park and Harrow & Wealdstone?
I don't use Twitter and keep meaning to sign up. So posting here to say visited London last week to take little one to TFL museume and picked up your underground facts book! Keep up the great work.
Hi. My dad worked here for 18 years. The old ticket office was a hut at the top of the stairs and issued little cardboard tickets. South Kenton now is just a walk through to Northwick Park Hospital. Great video Geoff.
6 trains per hour underground, 3 trains per hour overground. 1 million underground passengers figures, 500k overground passengers figures. Looks like a simple ratio calculation to me - with exceptions for known journeys - SK to Euston or SK to Elephant for example.
There’s a few lines in my experience where you have metro trains smack up against mainline ones. Top of my head is the Orange Line of the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority. The southern section shares a cutting for several miles and stops with the mainline Amtrak tracks. The other is the Port Authority Trans-Hudson (Path) system at Newark and Harrison stations. While legally a railroad, the trains are clones of the current generation of New York City Subway equipment and they run feet from Amtrak and New Jersey Transit trains.
The only time I ever saw (or ever likely to see) a Pennsylvania GG-1, was from a PATH train on the way in to Manhattan from Newark, in 1988. There were several stored out of use in the huge yards that existed then, just before the tunnel. That was the one and only time I saw the Twin Towers too.
I'd have put the camera body in a plastic bag with the lens poking out (secured with an elastic band round it), then lowered it in holding the lens from above.
This takes me back. I lived in Windermere Avenue 40 years ago. Six tracks at the bottom of the garden. Then views over the park towards NP hospital and Harrow on the Hill. Lots of electric locomotives on the main line. Class 86/87 for the express and Class 81-85 and occasional diesels for the freight. The tube trains were fun to go on but the BR stopping service had slam door closed carriages without aisles. Scary to ride on even then going through Stonebridge Park, Harlesden etc. Change at Queens Park for the West End or walk to Preston Road for fast trains to the City.
Idk if Geoff will see this, but in the summer of 2017 I visited all the least used stations on the TfL network (all tube and overground lines, TfL Rail and DLR) inspired by Geoff's least used stations video. I also calculated the scores of all the stations, as per Geoff's facilities scoring system!! Of course Geoff is doing it much better though!! 😂😂 Love the videos.
Brilliant video Geoff. I am a fan of the Bakerloo line as in my opinion it is the cosiest line in winter and all round (shame it gets baking in the summer tho)
Man, I'd love to do videos like this on stations in the Tokyo area. Regarding how they tell what's Underground traffic and what's Overground traffic, presumably as far as the system is concerned every single touch is part of a pair - entering and leaving the network. In calculating your fare when you touch out it knows where you went to and where you came from so for anyone who uses that Oyster pad it should know based on where they came from/ended up which service they used.
OK, so I'm sitting here thinking this weekend I need a trip out to visit South Kenton Station. And also that I might need to see some kind of counsellor 😊
One of my local stations! Another reason I don't use it as much is that my alternative is the faster met line which also serves the Kenton and Preston road areas. A pro of South Kenton is I can park for free right outside the station useful for evenings or rainy days instead of a long walk back to my house. Also I can guarantee a seat in the peaks whereas the peak service at Preston road is terrible due to fast trains skipping the station.
Used this station not long ago as it it a link station on the Capital Ring Walk - so we finished one stage of the walk there one week and were back the following week to start the next section!
Geoff, after you've finished doing this series, do secrets of Southern / Southeastern / Great Western / Northern etc. - I think it could be quite interesting!
Was lovely to see my local station on your station! Enjoyed the video, but not quite in agreement with the negative view of the South Kenton area....the Windermere pub is open and used for local resident's association events, local shops and Post Office keep the area busy. Also there are 2 vibrant primary schools within 5 minutes walk of station and the it's located in one of the largest residents associations in Brent :)
I got a reply from Geoff Marshall! :))) Oh well, maybe was a quiet day ...LOL Still was cool to see the area I’ve lived in for over 43 years featured on your channel
I've lived here for the past thirty two years or so and it's extremely pleasant thank you. Great location for everything and a Sainsburys just up the road. Agreed though that the Windemere pub is a waste of precious space .
Huh, it's a historic landmark, as old, if not older, than the houses around it. I grew up in the area, while everything else has changed The Windemere and its regulars are a shining light of the local community.
I always enjoy your videos--we have only light rail in Phoenix, AZ. How about a video of "Bin Bag Ballet," a compendium of bin bags set to music, with the stations identified? Thanks again.
At the start of the video, you mentioned the Overground running adjacent to the Bakerloo, being one of the only places to do so. On the Metropolitan Line, between Rickmansworth and Amersham, Chiltern Railways uses the same platforms as the Met to stop, which is the same as the Bakerloo.
4:04 They probably just guess whether you got the overground or the Bakerloo. For example, anyone who touches in between Headstone Lane and Watford or between Kilburn and Euston will have almost definitely used the overground and anyone who touched in at a central Zone 1 station will have probably used the Bakerloo It's difficult if you touched in at a station such as Whitechapel or Shadwell as yo could either have taken the Overground via H & I and Gospel oak or gone on the Bakerloo and other tube lines via Baker Street. However I doubt many journeys of this sort are made and so it makes little difference when the figures on the Wikipedia article are rounded to the nearest thousand.
Because there's no barriers, the stats will be missing the fewer but still present folks who are travelling with paper travelcards! Neighbouring Kenton station is a short walk from Northwick Park station on the Met, though from looking at the map South Kenton is besides that park also. Might be worth an exploration one day!
I think that they may work out who comes off which rail line based on where they tapped in. Here in Boston you don’t have to tap out but it does register where you tap in.
Well the problem therein lies the fact that there are other stations along the route eg; Willesden Junction, which also have Bakerloo line and London Overground connections behind the same gateline, so tapping in at Willesden Junction and out at South Kenton can’t conclusively lead to proof of which train you took, unless they assume you took the first timetabled train to take that route, after you tapped in.
They are all the same height and width - they have to be as the tunnels are the same size (the 1972 stock now on the Bakerloo used to run on the Northern, and 1959/62 stock used to run on all three lines). However, Central Line trains are longer than those on the Northern and Bakerloo.
You drink as much tea as me lol from a fellow tea drinker i very much enjoy your videos I don't get to ride trains as much as I would like but I live in Loughborough so I've got the great Central railway just down the road.
When I saw this least used station video, I thought: why geoff won't do a video about least used station in Cambridgeshire. Then I realized it's Shippea Hill which he did long time ago haha
I'm guessing the passenger numbers are worked out either from checking what time the tap in/out was at an checking that against the trains, or from where the previous tap in or next tap out are.
National rail from there goes to Euston (assuming overground is national rail) as well as going as far as Watford junction neither of which are served by the Bakerloo therefore the NR stats probably only count journeys to those stations or others that the Bakerloo doesn’t serve
I think, the passenger numbers could be seperated by checking the tapping time with the timetables of Overground and underground trains. Or do both also arrive/leave at the same time?
It's not the first time that you refer to island platforms as something odd or quirky. I find it funny, since in the city I'm from (Stockholm), as far as I know there is only one tube station which _doesn't_ have an island platform arrangement. (Johannelund for the curious, one of the westernmost stations on the Green Line.)
I would imagine only a very small fraction of journeys are made between two stations served by both lines. They can get a good estimate just by adding half of those to each line's count.
The two lines share tracks for ten stations, from Harrow & Wealdstone to Queens Park. Any local journey between two of those stations could be made on either train and there is no way for the ticketing system to distinguish them. The Tube accounts for about two thirds of the service, which may be why the official guesstimate allocates twice as many passenger numbers to the Tube as to the NR (Overground) services. Or, given that the stats are not collected by the same organisation, the larger figure includes all passengers using the station.
Hi enjoying you videos as always. I was just wondering how many types of train that are used on the underground. Are there any videos about this thanks Andrew in Warrington
Each Deep Tube line has its own bespoke train type, known as 1972 Stock (Bakerloo), 1973 Stock (Piccadilly), 1992 Stock (Central, with a modified version on the W&C), 1995 Stock (Northern), 1996 Stock (Jubilee), and 2009 Stock (Victoria). The "subsurface" lines all now use "S" stock, which itself comes in two variants: S8 (Metropolitan Line), and S7 (a single fleet serving the Circle, District and H&C). Historically, some lines ran more than one type of stock (in the mid 1970s the Northern Line had four!) and some types ran on more than one line (the original "standard" stock, and the later 1938 and 1959/92 stocks ran in regular service on all four of the original Deep Tube lines (Bakerloo, Northern, Piccadilly and Central)
I would assume they take the full journey into account and work out whether it’s overground or bakerloo, then based on that ratio, distribute the remaining unknown journeys in the same ratio
An antepenultimate station this time! As for usage statistics, I would guess they may extrapolate from passenger counts on trains to estimate what proportion of passengers use each service. They may also use Oyster exit/entry data, but there will be some local journeys that can't be differentiated that way.
I suppose they could work out passenger numbers using what station you tap out of/tapped into, eg, South Hampstead - South Kenton would have been done on the London Overground; however this only works for stations that aren't shared by the Bakerloo line and the London Overground; so I don't know what it's registered as if you tapped in at say Willesden Junction - South Kenton.
A most enjoyable video Geoff. The bin bag section was very haunting and atmospheric. And now a question: Is South Kenton the only station on the underground that can be turned into another station by the addition of 4 letters? (The station name that is, not the material of the station, before someone gets facetious with me! 😄)
Ooh, I like this game! I've found: Aldgate (East) Barking(side) Edgware (Road) Kilburn (Park) (West) Hampstead (West) Ruislip Wimbledon (Park) Including the whole TfL network: Beckton (Park) Brondesbury (Park) Kentish Town (West) Morden (Road) New Cross (Gate) Wanstead (Park) Also, if you allow for rearranging letters, Bank can become Burnt Oak.
I haven driven trains past this station on the West Coast Main Line since 1990, I have often wonder about the Windermere Pub, is the building style a the product of set design by a Brewery ? i have also seen several London pubs with turret like effect on the corner, did different Breweries have their own style of pub ? could this be a subject for a video ?
How do they work out how many people used the Tube and how many used the Overground? My guess is, they sometimes physically count - by CCTV or in person and/or survey. They know where an Oyster user got on for a particular journey so that would give at least some indication of which train a user got off (unless you're trying to trick the system). Say a Euston to South Kenton train takes X minutes by Overground and a Euston to South Kenton via Euston Square and Baker Street on the Tube takes Y minutes, you can do some calculating and make some assumptions ... plus a lot of extrapolation and number crunching and a generous sprinkle of more assumptions and guessing.
Ah yes, the classic slow-mo bin bag moment. A tried and tested filmmaking technique.
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Cool, I love it. :-)
After last night's winds. There's an identical white bin bag in the tree outside my room. I thought of these videos immediately, lol
Grew up near there... Geoff definitely picked the local highlight
Thank you so much for a step into nostalgia. I was born and lived for over twenty years just round the corner. When I was 15 I got a Saturday job cleaning and restocking the shelves, mowing the lawns etc at the Windermere pub. This was mid 1960's when the old footbridge was there before they built the subway. On the way to work I used to stand on the footbridge as steam trains chucked minty smelling steam up each side as they passed. The pub was very busy then and I think the landlord was Mr Stainings (can't remember first name). Always took trains from South Kenton station where the ticket office was a wooden hut like construction as you entered the platforms. Going up from the pub side toward North Wembley station was Collars laundry where my father used to get is separate stiff collars and the Wrigleys spearmint factory which is large white building just before GEC Hurst research and the North Wembley station.
“It’s this bizarre mix of big trains, overground trains and little bouncy brown Bakerloo line trains.” - oh Geoff you do have a way with words.
I love the Bakerloo, use it everyday commuting, the clackety old trains and their interior are brilliant. Although new trains will be very welcome, I personally will be sad to see these old-timers finally retire. Good work Geoff.
Fun fact those 30 steps are the equal of a 15 storey building...
Ooh, I can climb one whole storey in just two steps? Suddenly climbing a 15 storey building sounds much easier!
@@omfgmouse Every tube stair case is the equivalent of a 15 storey building.
don't worry, I'm aware of the joke lol
@@omfgmouse r/woooosh
Dylan Cheng r/woooosh
I love South Kenton Station. Great for watching trains on the West Coast Main Line and as there's no ticket barriers you don't have to spend 1/2 hour explaining to the member of staff you're a railway enthusiast and just want to watch trains!
The Windermere pub is actually still open, and is well worth visiting - I've used South Kenton several times to get to the pub, and was last there in early December 2019. The inside of the pub is actually listed in CAMRA's inventory of historic pub interiors, as it is a beautiful unaltered example of a 1930s Metroland era pub. Parts of the pub are indeed rarely used, but the nearside door (closest to the underpass) should open if you give it a push.
I worked at that pub in the years 1964-66 and It used to be very busy especially friday night sing along. Publican named something Stainings drove a Vanden Plas
Sometimes bouncy, but always cosy 😂😂😂 that’s going to be my new tinder intro
Love it 😂👍
I lived around the corner from South Kenton in the 80's and to quote an icon of that era, it has always had an "every day is like Sunday" feel about it. Good to see the old girl again though.
Do you think it being the “least used” station has anything to do with it not having barriers?
Yes
And being over ground (excluding Blackhorse Rd)
Finsbury park tho
The reason it has no ticket barriers is because the way the station is layed out there's no room to fit them in.
Most stations on the Goblin Line now have ticket barriers but a couple of years ago, only Blackhorse Road, Barking and Gospel Oak had them. Most London Overground Stations now have ticket barriers or are having them put in. There's currently 12 London Underground stations you can access at least one platform without passing through a ticket barrier.
This comment comes from the Olympic Peninsula of Washington State.
Why the hell do I love these videos so much?
Brian Garrow Watching from Seattle. I swear I know more about London from Geoff than some parts of my own city.
I watch from Fremantle Western Australia, apart from Antartica almost the furthest you could get from London, however I will be in London in June, and funny enough I was born in London.
I agree! I'm from Philadelphia, PA and have only been to London once!
Same! Following this channel from Spain ;)
Chiming in from Norfolk, Virginia. Can’t explain why I enjoy these videos so much either
I came for the binbag. Was not disappointed.
arrived here from Geoff's Q&A of 11/7/22, and oddly it is a vid I had not seen before - well worth it, and 156k views
This is my favourite station in London. Every time I go to London I find myself at this station it is such a little gem
I love this channel very much, the underground is endlessly fascinating. I miss earls court particularly and its. complicated old school district line platforms.
Can you do a least used station on the Emirates Cable Car?
UK Transport232 I should have read the description first.
Shame I wasn’t the first to think of this idea, given that it’s fundamentally flawed
Jonathan Cook
North Greenwich is the most used based on Jubilee passengers to The O2, so the other one.
I'm still waiting for the least used station on the Waterloo and City line.
@Eric Mugisha
But people can use both of those stations without boarding the cable car, because in each case, there is another line serving that station.
@@CreativeName42069 IT BOTH OF THEM BECUSE THEY ONLY HAVE 2 STOPS SO PEOLPE GET OF AT THE NEXT STOP HOW DO NOT KNOW
First of all: This is amazing. Used to use this station every day and thought it was quite busy lol. Got proved wrong
I assume passenger stats are based on the other stations that the person touches in/out at. I bet there isn't that many people who get on and off between Queens park and Harrow & Wealdstone?
I believe it’s electronic when somebody purchase a ticket
I don't use Twitter and keep meaning to sign up. So posting here to say visited London last week to take little one to TFL museume and picked up your underground facts book! Keep up the great work.
My advice: continue not using Twitter!
I can't believe that Geoff did just throw away his camera for this video. Real dedication.
Yeah this station is great for spotting too, no staff to annoy you saying you can't record or anything
The best station to do trainspotting on the West Coast Main Line.
Rugeley TV is quite good too
Rugeley Trent Valley is very far from London
@@trainspottingkingdom4972 So? It's still on the WCML. Also, Stafford is also a pretty good place to go.
Was going to say the samething
Alfie 0202 railfanning *
There's no word called trainspotting
Hi. My dad worked here for 18 years. The old ticket office was a hut at the top of the stairs and issued little cardboard tickets. South Kenton now is just a walk through to Northwick Park Hospital. Great video Geoff.
6 trains per hour underground, 3 trains per hour overground. 1 million underground passengers figures, 500k overground passengers figures. Looks like a simple ratio calculation to me - with exceptions for known journeys - SK to Euston or SK to Elephant for example.
There’s a few lines in my experience where you have metro trains smack up against mainline ones.
Top of my head is the Orange Line of the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority. The southern section shares a cutting for several miles and stops with the mainline Amtrak tracks.
The other is the Port Authority Trans-Hudson (Path) system at Newark and Harrison stations. While legally a railroad, the trains are clones of the current generation of New York City Subway equipment and they run feet from Amtrak and New Jersey Transit trains.
The only time I ever saw (or ever likely to see) a Pennsylvania GG-1, was from a PATH train on the way in to Manhattan from Newark, in 1988. There were several stored out of use in the huge yards that existed then, just before the tunnel. That was the one and only time I saw the Twin Towers too.
Roger Whittle the yards are mostly still there along that stretch. NJT’s main maintenance shop is there now.
My favourite station. Many happy memories with old friends on Norval Rd.
I hope that trash bag was empty when you put your camera in there, otherwise, time for the disinfecting wipes!
I'd have put the camera body in a plastic bag with the lens poking out (secured with an elastic band round it), then lowered it in holding the lens from above.
@@anononomous I wouldn't have put my camera in a bin.
@@anononomous Those bag holders are really easy to unclip. Maybe he took along his own bag and installed it just for the camera angle.
Always loved this line! Voted 4 it in the World Cup of tube lines too😁
This takes me back. I lived in Windermere Avenue 40 years ago. Six tracks at the bottom of the garden. Then views over the park towards NP hospital and Harrow on the Hill. Lots of electric locomotives on the main line. Class 86/87 for the express and Class 81-85 and occasional diesels for the freight. The tube trains were fun to go on but the BR stopping service had slam door closed carriages without aisles. Scary to ride on even then going through Stonebridge Park, Harlesden etc. Change at Queens Park for the West End or walk to Preston Road for fast trains to the City.
I think a tour of these might be in order if I get time when next in London...
God I love those Bakerloo trains. I'll be sad when they go
They are so simple they will never die lol
Same
Idk if Geoff will see this, but in the summer of 2017 I visited all the least used stations on the TfL network (all tube and overground lines, TfL Rail and DLR) inspired by Geoff's least used stations video. I also calculated the scores of all the stations, as per Geoff's facilities scoring system!!
Of course Geoff is doing it much better though!! 😂😂 Love the videos.
Brilliant video Geoff. I am a fan of the Bakerloo line as in my opinion it is the cosiest line in winter and all round (shame it gets baking in the summer tho)
Need some wider shots Geoff. Hard to really get a feel for it.
It has Underground.
It has Overground.
But it apparently isn't Wombling Free.
And Wimbledon is Underground only...
Anyone else confused? #o.
Wimbledon may not have the Overground, but it's not Underground only - it also has trams, and two National Rail operators.
@@norbitonflyer5625 You don’t get the joke
@@TaylaHolland I don't either
Man, I'd love to do videos like this on stations in the Tokyo area.
Regarding how they tell what's Underground traffic and what's Overground traffic, presumably as far as the system is concerned every single touch is part of a pair - entering and leaving the network. In calculating your fare when you touch out it knows where you went to and where you came from so for anyone who uses that Oyster pad it should know based on where they came from/ended up which service they used.
At 0:23 had to check twice. The light/camera at first looked like some sort of Star Trek spaceship haha 👽
one of my favourite stations for trainspotting
@@OneKnifeYeHand wasn't going to,
You can see North Wembley Station down the line. It is probably consideres least used because people fare dodge so the journey is not recorded.
OK, so I'm sitting here thinking this weekend I need a trip out to visit South Kenton Station.
And also that I might need to see some kind of counsellor 😊
I love South Kenton Station!
Went there a few weeks ago, bloody brilliant place for trainspotting
Please have a looped version of the slow mo bin bag with that music! That’s so calming!
30 steps= 15 floors
also if you look towards northwick park, you can see chiltern trains!
I'm declaring 3:03 an EBM ... "Emotional Bag Moment"
One of my local stations! Another reason I don't use it as much is that my alternative is the faster met line which also serves the Kenton and Preston road areas. A pro of South Kenton is I can park for free right outside the station useful for evenings or rainy days instead of a long walk back to my house. Also I can guarantee a seat in the peaks whereas the peak service at Preston road is terrible due to fast trains skipping the station.
Used this station not long ago as it it a link station on the Capital Ring Walk - so we finished one stage of the walk there one week and were back the following week to start the next section!
Great video on underground trains mate 😊👍
They may work out the numbers of passengers of Overground and Underground by the 'station' you touched in at?
Geoff, after you've finished doing this series, do secrets of Southern / Southeastern / Great Western / Northern etc. - I think it could be quite interesting!
I actually used this station last year, so am in the 2018 stats! It's on the Capital Ring walk, which passes through the underpass
That pub certainly is not shut Geoff. A pleasant old pub, shame many others around have gone.
Yes indeed, grade II listed with rare 1930s interior!
Best bin bag I've ever seen...............and in slow motion!
i don't want this series to end.
Was lovely to see my local station on your station! Enjoyed the video, but not quite in agreement with the negative view of the South Kenton area....the Windermere pub is open and used for local resident's association events, local shops and Post Office keep the area busy. Also there are 2 vibrant primary schools within 5 minutes walk of station and the it's located in one of the largest residents associations in Brent :)
I got a reply from Geoff Marshall! :))) Oh well, maybe was a quiet day ...LOL
Still was cool to see the area I’ve lived in for over 43 years featured on your channel
I've lived here for the past thirty two years or so and it's extremely pleasant thank you. Great location for everything and a Sainsburys just up the road. Agreed though that the Windemere pub is a waste of precious space .
Huh, it's a historic landmark, as old, if not older, than the houses around it. I grew up in the area, while everything else has changed The Windemere and its regulars are a shining light of the local community.
I always enjoy your videos--we have only light rail in Phoenix, AZ. How about a video of "Bin Bag Ballet," a compendium of bin bags set to music, with the stations identified? Thanks again.
I love going past The Windermere on the train. TAKE COURAGE.
At the start of the video, you mentioned the Overground running adjacent to the Bakerloo, being one of the only places to do so. On the Metropolitan Line, between Rickmansworth and Amersham, Chiltern Railways uses the same platforms as the Met to stop, which is the same as the Bakerloo.
It is synced up with the time tables so when a tube train comes in and people touch the pad it relates those passengers to tube passengers
That bin bag had me in tears. I thought about moving to South Kenton (not aware that it was that unpopular with commuters), now I'm not so sure.
4:04 They probably just guess whether you got the overground or the Bakerloo. For example, anyone who touches in between Headstone Lane and Watford or between Kilburn and Euston will have almost definitely used the overground and anyone who touched in at a central Zone 1 station will have probably used the Bakerloo
It's difficult if you touched in at a station such as Whitechapel or Shadwell as yo could either have taken the Overground via H & I and Gospel oak or gone on the Bakerloo and other tube lines via Baker Street. However I doubt many journeys of this sort are made and so it makes little difference when the figures on the Wikipedia article are rounded to the nearest thousand.
The two figures would probably be worked out based on the (other) station you have entered/exited from.
Zary park run to the delights of South Kenton in two days! You cannot be any more exotic not eclectic than that Geoff!
Because there's no barriers, the stats will be missing the fewer but still present folks who are travelling with paper travelcards! Neighbouring Kenton station is a short walk from Northwick Park station on the Met, though from looking at the map South Kenton is besides that park also. Might be worth an exploration one day!
Go asap as they are planning on turning a large part into houses.
I think that they may work out who comes off which rail line based on where they tapped in. Here in Boston you don’t have to tap out but it does register where you tap in.
Well the problem therein lies the fact that there are other stations along the route eg; Willesden Junction, which also have Bakerloo line and London Overground connections behind the same gateline, so tapping in at Willesden Junction and out at South Kenton can’t conclusively lead to proof of which train you took, unless they assume you took the first timetabled train to take that route, after you tapped in.
"Little bouncy brown Bakerloo line trains." Best line in the video.
Bakerloo trains are not little though, central and northern are smaller
They are all the same height and width - they have to be as the tunnels are the same size (the 1972 stock now on the Bakerloo used to run on the Northern, and 1959/62 stock used to run on all three lines). However, Central Line trains are longer than those on the Northern and Bakerloo.
@@norbitonflyer5625 Thanks, i always felt the Bakerloo trains had more headroom, obviously not.
It's nicer than dirty, decrepit, horrible.. so at least he tried.
You drink as much tea as me lol from a fellow tea drinker i very much enjoy your videos I don't get to ride trains as much as I would like but I live in Loughborough so I've got the great Central railway just down the road.
I’m more of a coffee guy tbh
Overground figs would be tapping in at Euston or stations north of Harrow to Watford.
I love the bakerloo line a lot it’s so old and bumpy it’s got the oldest tube stock right
When I saw this least used station video, I thought: why geoff won't do a video about least used station in Cambridgeshire.
Then I realized it's Shippea Hill which he did long time ago haha
My mate lived there. Absolute dive.
nice one geoff
I'm guessing the passenger numbers are worked out either from checking what time the tap in/out was at an checking that against the trains, or from where the previous tap in or next tap out are.
National rail from there goes to Euston (assuming overground is national rail) as well as going as far as Watford junction neither of which are served by the Bakerloo therefore the NR stats probably only count journeys to those stations or others that the Bakerloo doesn’t serve
I think, the passenger numbers could be seperated by checking the tapping time with the timetables of Overground and underground trains. Or do both also arrive/leave at the same time?
It's not the first time that you refer to island platforms as something odd or quirky. I find it funny, since in the city I'm from (Stockholm), as far as I know there is only one tube station which _doesn't_ have an island platform arrangement. (Johannelund for the curious, one of the westernmost stations on the Green Line.)
I would imagine only a very small fraction of journeys are made between two stations served by both lines. They can get a good estimate just by adding half of those to each line's count.
The two lines share tracks for ten stations, from Harrow & Wealdstone to Queens Park. Any local journey between two of those stations could be made on either train and there is no way for the ticketing system to distinguish them. The Tube accounts for about two thirds of the service, which may be why the official guesstimate allocates twice as many passenger numbers to the Tube as to the NR (Overground) services. Or, given that the stats are not collected by the same organisation, the larger figure includes all passengers using the station.
Hi enjoying you videos as always. I was just wondering how many types of train that are used on the underground. Are there any videos about this thanks Andrew in Warrington
Each Deep Tube line has its own bespoke train type, known as 1972 Stock (Bakerloo), 1973 Stock (Piccadilly), 1992 Stock (Central, with a modified version on the W&C), 1995 Stock (Northern), 1996 Stock (Jubilee), and 2009 Stock (Victoria). The "subsurface" lines all now use "S" stock, which itself comes in two variants: S8 (Metropolitan Line), and S7 (a single fleet serving the Circle, District and H&C). Historically, some lines ran more than one type of stock (in the mid 1970s the Northern Line had four!) and some types ran on more than one line (the original "standard" stock, and the later 1938 and 1959/92 stocks ran in regular service on all four of the original Deep Tube lines (Bakerloo, Northern, Piccadilly and Central)
I want to go to London again at some point, it is expensive yes but I do want to explore some of the quirky and weird stations on the Underground
I would assume they take the full journey into account and work out whether it’s overground or bakerloo, then based on that ratio, distribute the remaining unknown journeys in the same ratio
An antepenultimate station this time! As for usage statistics, I would guess they may extrapolate from passenger counts on trains to estimate what proportion of passengers use each service. They may also use Oyster exit/entry data, but there will be some local journeys that can't be differentiated that way.
Loving the captions option - applause at 1:00, music at 2:45. Great video, of course!
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I suppose they could work out passenger numbers using what station you tap out of/tapped into, eg, South Hampstead - South Kenton would have been done on the London Overground; however this only works for stations that aren't shared by the Bakerloo line and the London Overground; so I don't know what it's registered as if you tapped in at say Willesden Junction - South Kenton.
Unless they looked at train times as well, say if an London Overground train came first, then the tap would register for that service.
Hi Geoff. Can I come with you to do the least used station in South Yorkshire? Darnell. I live in Sheffield so can I.
A most enjoyable video Geoff. The bin bag section was very haunting and atmospheric. And now a question: Is South Kenton the only station on the underground that can be turned into another station by the addition of 4 letters? (The station name that is, not the material of the station, before someone gets facetious with me! 😄)
Ooh, I like this game! I've found:
Aldgate (East)
Barking(side)
Edgware (Road)
Kilburn (Park)
(West) Hampstead
(West) Ruislip
Wimbledon (Park)
Including the whole TfL network:
Beckton (Park)
Brondesbury (Park)
Kentish Town (West)
Morden (Road)
New Cross (Gate)
Wanstead (Park)
Also, if you allow for rearranging letters, Bank can become Burnt Oak.
Geoff have you played the Train sim world 2 game it has the bakerloo line
interesting stuff, do you have any thoughts on the new train and also the upcomiong station associated?
😂 view from inside the bin love it , that's gotta be standard now new feature , well bin view .👍😂
I haven driven trains past this station on the West Coast Main Line since 1990, I have often wonder about the Windermere Pub, is the building style a the product of set design by a Brewery ? i have also seen several London pubs with turret like effect on the corner, did different Breweries have their own style of pub ? could this be a subject for a video ?
Some breweries did have a house style. Others just used the same builder on all of their pubs!
I live sooo close and use the station a lot. Very sad i couldn't meet you.
The stats are counted separate because it looks at the stat of the journey eg Euston to South Kenton or Paddington to South Kenton
I have happy memories at the school next to that stations., 😁
Does the train fit the platform there though? The drop from platform to train varies wildly along that stretch of the Bakerloo!
Ryan Fleming
No. Overground trains have a higher floor than Bakerloo trains, and the platform hight is somewhere in between the two
Do you have a video on the Bakerloo line rolling stock?
The Windermere pub is actually trading, just closed when you went lol
I love watching all your videos can you make a video about gants hill on the central line
Do you imagine that the proximity to Northwick Park station has anything to do with the lack of footfall?
How do they work out how many people used the Tube and how many used the Overground? My guess is, they sometimes physically count - by CCTV or in person and/or survey. They know where an Oyster user got on for a particular journey so that would give at least some indication of which train a user got off (unless you're trying to trick the system). Say a Euston to South Kenton train takes X minutes by Overground and a Euston to South Kenton via Euston Square and Baker Street on the Tube takes Y minutes, you can do some calculating and make some assumptions ... plus a lot of extrapolation and number crunching and a generous sprinkle of more assumptions and guessing.