"A slave of the Lord, must be kind to everyone, able to teach, and forebearing. He must GENTLY reprove." 2 Tim.2 However "the evil slave beats his fellow servants". "By their works you will know them".
I'm so sorry , brother feeling your sadness , but send you all my love and support , but remember Our God is Love , and keep faith in our Saviour JESUCHRIST 😢😢😢
This was a stellar video. I really got a lot out of it. It just reaffirms my belief that Jehovah’s say how loving they are yet in fact there shunning policy shows just the opposite. I am on the receiving end of their shunning. Painful, cruel & unloving. I joined the Jehovahs Witness religion when I was 18 years old. I repressed for nearly 25 years my sexual and emotional feeling so as not to give away the fact that I might be gay. I couldn’t repress those feelings anymore. I got into my first long term relationship with another man. The elders hunted me down for a year. Long story short I was disfellowshipped at the age of 39. Went straight into alcoholism for 6 years. Fortunately I got help at the age of 45 and became sober. I have been diligent in regularly seeing a excellent therapist. I have now found a new family & wonderful friends who support me and I support them. Thankyou for reading this lengthy commentary. With LOVE, Marty B.
Thank you, brother Eric for another video. How they are now trying to wriggle in order to gain the favor of the authorities of this world. All these changes in their doctrines are not worth the suffering and humiliation that many have endured. And this in no way alleviates their sin in the eyes of God.
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@@pocahontas4583 This is EXACTLY the same with my family. I try to imagine a situation when GB crosses the line of incoherent speech that would be too much for my family to bear. And sadly I can't see it... :(
@@BeroeanPicketsI agree as I am baptised over 40 years but woke up recently and now PIMO like thousands of others trying to get their families out. It’s so easy to fact check everything via Google
Another one of my Childhood friends 🙆🏾♂️ ( From my Old Kingdom Hall days ) Has just Passed on . ( At age 77 ) 😔 He was JUST STARTING to Wake up .🤦🏽♂️ I Look forward . . To Seeing him once again . 🙏🏽
Pure evil to ignore someone you love. We only have to remember the Prodigal Son and the Good Samaritan. Afraid the JWs are based on control and hate nothing like the teaching and example of the Christ.
Yeah, me too! These dipsticks don't realize that THEY have become the very same type of people that they have pointed their fingers at for more than 70 years! "Therefore it is nothing great that his (Satan's) ministers keep transforming themselves into ministers of righteousness. But their end shall be according to their works." 2 Corinth. 11: 13-15
I got df'd 25 years ago but I was fortunate. A few other guys I knew from the JWs also left and we had great times together. One was df'd and because I was hanging out with him I got df'd. Another one got approached by the elders but he threatened their lives so they left him alone. His parents still shunned him and he ended up taking his life, while engaged to a really great girl, because he couldn't take it anymore. I was fortunate in that my parents called me the day the announcement was made and told me nothing was going to change, and nothing did. Dad even listened to my "doubts" and problems with Watchtower teachings. I cannot imagine what it's like for family to treat you like you're worse than dead just because you disagree with a religion's ideas.
Thank you for sharing this with us. So sad to read about your friend, but what great parents you have to have the love for you conquer the fear of men.
In my experience I was disfelloshiped on totally flimsy and uncriptually grounds, I remained in that condition for more than seven years...after a family 👪 tragedy ensued I finally took my mother's advice and communicated with a high ranking society official. The wheels were then very quickly put in motion for my reinstatement after more than seven years. Back in the late 70's what you have brought forward in this installment was introduced(the five months rule) of 1st and 2nd Corinthians. It took a death to move them to action...the blood guilt is on their hands, and as the scripture says '...I shall ask back the blood of all the slain ones...'
Hi Aiercooledengine. I feel for you, and we all do. Disfellowshipping has often been used by local elders as a tool to control others and punish anyone they don't like or disagree with. I rememeber the last 70s and how it made me feel to see a softening in the judicial procedures that were practiced to that popint. I'm sure that was due to the influence of Raymond Franz. One man with the spirit is more powerful than 10 without it. There was a beautiful move then toward enlightment, but once they got rid of Raymond, they reverted back and then some. It reminds me of the warning Jesus gave: ““When an unclean spirit comes out of a man, it passes through waterless places in search of a resting-place and finds none. Then it says, ‘I will go back to my house from which I moved,’ and on arriving, it finds the house unoccupied but swept clean and adorned. Then it goes and takes along with it seven different spirits more wicked than itself, and after getting inside, they dwell there; and the final circumstances of that man become worse than the first. That is how it will be also with this wicked generation.”” (Matthew 12:43-45)
I feel you, friend. See my longer comment up above; as I too was removed for unscriptural reasons! I am finishing a letter addressed to the Branch Service department that exposes these hypocritical, judgemental, and merciless "elders" who'd rather follow man-made rules than the example of the congregation head and King; Christ Jesus. It's been over 2 years now, and I have appealed for reinstatement now 3 TIMES. First 2 times I was told to "wait longer". 3rd time was 3 weeks ago and I haven't heard a peep out these brothers in my new congregation that I have been attending for over 6 months now! Only wish to "go back" so I can see and speak to my dear misguided family again. Especially my dear grandchildren Will never kowtow or bow down to these pharisee-like men who call themselves "the governing body"!!! @aiercooledengine........May Jehovah prove to be with you as He has with so many thousands of us ex-JW elders, and publishers who were mistreated! I find comfort in Paul's words at Hebrews 6: 10,..." For God is not unrighteous so as to forget the work you have done and the love you have showed for His name."
I just wanted to say thanks for not losing your faith. I’ve been here since the very first video and happen to share your views for the most part. It seems that most who have left this cult have left God as well. It’s refreshing to relate to you. Thanks for not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. And thank you for all your work.
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Hands down and arms raised......disfellowshipping is not loving. The harm and the reverberations of harm to family, friends and all other relationships cannot be ignored. How many ex-JWs return to a faith that expelled them in this cruel way.....when the purpose was to point out their wrong and attempt to keep the faithful 'pure'. Jehovah would not approve.....being loving is the way of Jehovah. There are more loving ways to handle those who are diverging from the flock. If your God is not one of love.......then your God offers nothing more than any human could offer. Love applies to everything and supersedes any law or rule. Love is what you do.
Very well said & summed up. Thanks for a clear, concise, exposure of how blind &/or disingenuous these people are & have been. I especially liked James face in the mirror illustration. Although it applies to most of us. Your good work is appreciated.
WT leadership doesn’t do anything without a self serving motivation. I’ve seen the GB bend their own rules when necessary. For instance, there used to be the requirement for a DFd person to be reinstated at least two years before qualifying for special privileges, such as WT Bethel assignments. Well, on several projects we asked for extra leniency because of needing specialized video, computer, or building trades skills. Usually the GB would grant exceptions. In fact, in at least one specific case, they expedited the reinstatement of a guy who was still awaiting confirmation by his local BoE.
One of the main questions I would ask when I was in the Lie (not the Truth as we would call it) was why are we going beyond what is written. Your discourse highlights that Eric when you brought out their entire disfellowshiping and reinstatement policies.
I was raised in “The Truth. But left when I was old enough to think for myself. Anytime someone was shunned or disfellowshiped, they were treated like they had a disease. Their own families were encouraged to stay away from them. Very unloving indeed!
I myself have been expulsed for 10 years. My wife and I being above average educated in the scriptures talked about this for years. I never wanted to return because I said they are not shepherds but judges. The most interesting thing is that my wife accepted a bible study by a sister, just because she wanted to understand their viewpoint. The only argument they could make is that it is a loving provision. My wife asked in what manner: show me what kind of love in Corinthians you are talking about. The bible study ended after one day I walked out of the door when the 2 sisters approached our house and totally ignored me, but talked to my 1 year old. Now my wife send her a message: does this new light mean that the woman from Babylon the great was right all along? They will never take responsibility for their brutal mistakes!
Right on brother Wilson! Your use of this scripture was part of my defense and counsel to the service department of the Watchtower, NY,...the governing body, and the local elders who kicked me out of the congregation over their own personal opinions of what constitutes a compromise of "neutrality". The word "neutrality" is not even found in the Bible as you know; much less clearly defined! As a former elder myself I appealed for reinstatement after 6 months. Was turned down and told, "not enough time had elapsed". Really????? So they set themselves up as judges of my heart; slandered my good name because their own "biased leaning" took precedence over scripture; and apparently were following the words of the branch office stating somewhere in their manual, I guess, that at least a year needs to pass before considering reinstatement!????!! (1 Tim. 5: 21 ) When I was an elder; we were asked to allow at least 90 days before considering an appeal to reinstate. But even that policy finds no basis in scripture as you well know. At least 2 accounts of well known immoral women in Jesus' time, were provided in Matthew and John's gospel books. One in John 8: 1-12 of a woman the pharisees wanted to stone to death; whom Jesus IMMEDIATELY FORGAVE HER and exhorted her to "sin no more"! That was the extent of the only recorded "judicial meeting" in the Bible that I can recall! Then there's the account of another woman who came to wash his feet while dining with an "apostate" pharisee!😆🤣(I love to read that one for 3 reasons: 1. Jesus perceived her remorseful heart, and 2. he forgave her then and there; and 3. he was "eating" with a man who "denied the Christ" up until that moment at least. A man who fit the description of 2 John 7-11; a chief text JW's use to reason away their shunning policies!!😂😆 Did Jehovah tell King David he would have to wait at least a year before He forgave him? Did Jehovah ask the entire jewish court , priests, levites, and David's family to shun him for at least a year before He would forgive him? Did Jehovah disfellowship Aaron the high priest and spokesman for him in Moses' day for his complicity in the building of a golden calf idol? What about Jesus when he was denied by Peter 3 times on the night of his arrest?? Did Jesus' tell Peter he would have to wait at least a year before he would consider forgiving him??? ARE YOU FRICKIN' KIDDING US;... GOVERNING BODY AND JW ELDERS? Pull your heads out of your butt, and do as the apostle Paul exhorted: " ....look intently at the Chief agent of Life, and the Perfecter of our faith, Jesus Christ. (Hebrews 12: 2 ) Start following HIM, and not yourselves!! Sorry brother Eric for my occasional rants here! But your talks are the most appropriate and scripture based on You Tube. Thanks for letting me share my wisdom and experience as well; as another former elder, Bethelite, ministerial servant and traveling public speaker for the JW community.😃😊
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@@BeroeanPickets Thanks. I just might do that in the future. I'm making 1 more appeal to be reinstated; mainly so I can see my siblings, my daughter, and grand-daughters again. That appeal will also go to the US branch; and exposes my elders and organizational disobedience, corruption and hypocrisy when deciding to DF someone. If enough of us bombard these "fake Christians", hopefully they will wake up and repent, and confess their sins to the misled organization. But, I expect that since they've never apologized for their many wrong prophecies and interpretations before; that their arrogance won't accept my scripture backed reproof! I'll try to record your e-mail address for future reference, brother. Take care.
This video is spot on! What about all the aging parents out here who are shunned like garbage and thrown away all because they woke up from this evil diabolic org?! I wonder how Norway views this cruel, evil behavior. It's not just young ones who are hurt by shunning. Thank you, Eric, for your hard work exposing false prophets.
Then there’s the ugly reverse scenario of df’d adult kids being forced to feed, house and clothe sick aging JW parents who haven’t spoken to said kids for years, even decades!! Watchtower won’t help such aged believers not even if those people gave all their lives to the org!
@achys6301; I saw a video about how Norway views shunning and, needless to say, the government doesn't approve of the Watchtower Society's policy of shunning at all. That is why Norway revoked the Watchtower Society's charity status and defunded it.
Thanks Eric , you really are spoilt for choice with content for your videos, brings to my mind Matt 12 v34..NIV..You brood of vipers,how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.
Thank you for your work on this and helping dissect the strategies this high control group / cult uses in framing its messaging. Have you also noticed the interesting speech pace that’s in all the talks. I wouldn’t be surprised that if this is dissected has its own link to psychological manipulation
Thank you, Eric, for bringing awareness to this unscriptural and harmful practice. It's just so infuriating how they unapologetically pretend to be concerned about this now after so many people's lives have been derailed or worse. They've known about these scriptures all along. Why didn't they apply this reasoning before making the choice to be unloving, unchristian, judgmental, and self righteous for decades?
@@BeroeanPickets why is this being allowed. My mother refused a blood transfusion and past while my brother being upset about it and speaks his mind about it. He is disfellowshipped and shunned to the point he turns to drugs and alcohol and he commits suicide. Now they think they went too far? I believe in a creator and also believe in forgiveness but I do sure hope that they are punished for their hypocrisy and I believe a crime. This has to stop. But then again the rest of the family still believe and continues to study. I just don’t understand this world anymore.
I said this on another video, but tigers don’t change stripes, they just change how they hunt once their hunting grounds have been discovered. Once again, we see the organization placing blame on its members for how DF’d ones were treated, pretending as if this wasn’t their policy. We know y they are doing this. Nothing changes about this religion or its leaders: They may try to rebrand itself as this loving, come as u r religion mimicking those “false religions” of Christendom they so despised, but at its core it’s still deceptive, and unaccountable for their actions. What a slap to the face of Elders following THEIR directions, & those who were harmed as DF’d ones by these directions. BUT, I’m sure the Elders were only following their “Bible trained” conscience. Lol What a joke of a religion; still can’t believe I dedicated 40 yrs of my life to it, believing I had “The Truth.” Smh
Yes. And you're "preaching to the choir" with this comment. Every JW who ever preached has participated in propagating Watchtower's lies. If we are old enough, some who we preached to have now fallen asleep in death. And my own dear grandmother taught me to be a JW. It's no accident that many have now become activists against Watchtower and have become supporters of those activists.
The Holy Spirit is not a time keeper. You should not be disfellowshipped for a “certain amount of time”. And the fact that you have to sit on your bed feeling guilty of your “sin”, is in itself repentance. You shouldn’t have to tell them what your sin was or even admit you feel guilty to them. You’ve done that already in secret. How it SHOULD be run is for you to tell the brothers that you prayed to God of your sin and he answered. That’s it. They are in no position to punish. And if they get to choose who gets disfellowshipped, who is repentant or not, means they are claiming to be ABOVE the Holy Spirit.
It's seems to me most Ex Jws also focus on the governing body broadcasts, so making videos about scripture could fill a big void, and you are so good at that...we appreciate all you do..thanks again
Even as l little boy I would always tell my mom that…it’s hard for me to understand how a GOD who is so loving would just turn his back on a child that was sick spiritually…l read the Bible…and the GOD that l knew and loved is not that person!…he isn’t…it doesn’t make sense…mom?…would you ever turn your back on me if I were sick?…if l had the flu? NO! Ok so why would Jehovah? Doesn’t he love me as much as you do? Even as a child I knew it didn’t make sense! But they didn’t see or understand “Jehovah’s mercy” until 2024? Maybe GOD doesn’t love you as much as you think…because he reveals his truth to those whom he loves!
Yea Eric...I Agree...what the heck ...Play it again Sam...or Harold , or whatever. Isn't it Ironic when you point a finger at someone, there are 3 fingers pointing back. Again, and again they (Society) incriminate themselves. Dear Eric, I so do respect your work, but they make your job so easy... Like picking low hanging fruit. They are such quintessential liars & hypocrites. PS.. ...Well Done my friend ! Thanks, and Support!
So very true. Someone pointed out to me a while back that when you point your finger at someone else, besides the three fingers pointing back at you, there’s your thumb pointing up to God, who is the judge of all. I try to always bear that in mind when doing these videos. I want to be fair, and evenhanded, and give them the benefit of the doubt, but they make it so very difficult to do that. You are quite right in what you say, northern exposure. It is like picking low hanging fruit.
On my country it is a unwritten rule that expelation takes 6 months in most of cases my one tooked 7 months reason??? My repentance was not enough I Heard from elders...😂😂😂
Great film to for those who haven't seen it Brighton Rock. Going of topic like some speakers I have heard at the KH fortunately that's long in the past.
Yeah, the brainwashing is incredible. Especially from other members of the Bethel HQ. They're supposed to be spiritually mature, scripturally astute, and be deep students of the Bible. Instead, they are deep students of their ignorant leaders and their man made rules! What a bunch of spineless cowards! Afraid to call out their overseers when they see scriptural principles and teaching of Jesus blatantly ignored and sidestepped in favor of Watchtower rules!
8:25 its a little thing called projection and not merely deflection and it’s not little. It’s WT’s hallmark of "love” shown to all but especially toward those related to them in WT faith.🙄
For decades JWs would follow John 2:10 and "not even greet him." Now they throw that scripture away and say to greet him... but THEN SHUN him! "What the...?" Lol "To greet or not to greet before shunning," that is the question. ;-) PS: Lawyers were involved in both decisions. Hayden C. Covington (one of the JW's “other sheep,”) was the Watchtower Attorney and Vice President of the Watchtower Society from 1942 to 1945, about the time "disfellowshipping" began. I thought only the "anointed" were directed by Holy Spirit???
❣... but...🤔...... Does God change?!??!! HE was not, is, and will always be, merciful...??!! Why, suddenly..... is all this just now, GB...?!?!?! ... 🙄......................
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Notice that after only three months or so, and having had no contact with the man, he knew he was repentant. How? Must have been God's Holy Spirit informing him. However, search the "Shepherd the Flock" book as they may for Watchtower's wisdom, there is no way any elder has a hope in hell of accurately judging the heart to discern repentance of some potential victim of injustice at a judicial committee, assuming he was guilty of a sin in the first place. The relevant scriptures don't actually say whether he was repentant or not if I remember rightly, do they?
I want Watchtower to explain to me how my mother’s sister shunning her for over 40 years was helpful to anyone. They destroyed our family while ignoring the real problems in their organization.
It was helpful to the leaders of the Watchtower to maintain control, but that was only a temporary benefit to them. Now the consequences of their sin are coming home to roost.
I love your insight on the organization. However I take a different view on the church discipline or disfellowshipping in 1 Cor. The scripture NEVER said he repented just like the prodigal son. The church was following Jesus footsteps not Paul commands. He was still there just maybe because they tired to work with that man and the others involved. Jesus instructions were to have those deal with the problem. Not the church. Paul must have a moment to reflect and instruct the church to reinstate this man without any reservation. I have more to add, but I think you get my point.
In videos like this, directed specifically toward Witnesses, I tend to use the NWT. However, I don't have a favorite Bible. I use biblehub.com which offers a wide variety of versions, and also like 2001translation.org for its unbiased policy toward translation.
Before you become a JW: Jesus said His yoke is kindly, and His load was light. It was the governing body of His day that was harsh and unloving. It was the scribes and pharisees, the Sanhedrin who loaded the people down with their man made rules. Does that remind us of any self proclaimed governing body of men today? Jehovah’s Witnesses say that an interested person needs to make an informed decision by studying the bible, and then decide if they want to be one. One of what exactly? A Christian or a JW? And I would add that they need to study the origins of the bible, it’s many manuscripts, translators and translations first, and then the origins of JW theology: How many elders for example, let alone bible students know the truth about the origins of disfellowshipping, disassociation, blood, the true identity of the other sheep, 1914, CSA, how the GB affiliated themselves with the UN for 10 years, but prohibited the witnesses in Malawi 18 years earlier to carry a party political card, resulting in the death and torture of thousands! The expedient truth behind the identity change of the FDS. Russell’s trips to Egypt with his tape measure. His teaching that organization is to be avoided at all costs. The real reason Rutherford and co went to jail in WW1. Rutherford’s correspondence to Hitler. His mansion at Beth-Sarim. His addition to the good news by his teaching of two hopes derived from hearing angels speaking to him inside his head! His own admission that he made an ass of himself! Olin R. Moyle. The 2012 land grab. The dedication of new Kingdom Halls for the solemn worship of Almighty God, then selling them off behind His back to pay for their misdemeanours! The 144,000 is not literal! There is no judgement of anyone in this system. Gods promise never to destroy all life again. All of the 31 endtime predictions of JW’s that did not come true, when all the while Jesus warned us not to follow those who keep saying the due time is near. See Luke 21. The overlapping generation. GB member Geoffrey Jackson telling the Royal Australian Commission in 2015 that JW’s are not the only ones who have Gods Holy Spirit, that it would be presumptuous to say so! The GB naming themselves as guardians of doctrine which has no scriptural basis. They have taught that when they speak, it is as if Jesus has spoken. When discussing being ambassadors for Christ, they made the addition of the word substituting to the Holy scriptures. Being chosen as the FDS in 1919 whilst teaching demonistic pyramidology. That there is a clergy hierarchy in JW’s, and we are not all brothers. Millions Now Living Will Never Die! The misery caused because they didn’t know the correct understanding of Porneia until the early 1970’s, and had to get the information from clergyman who did know from well before Russell’s time. The truth about Raymond Franz. They teach young children that they don’t have to apologise for their mistakes. That Jehovah’s Witness baptism is not made in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, but into the organization of JW’s. And that the verse in Matthew 28:19 was likely added to and should read in the name of Jesus! The complete changing of the wording of Matthew 11:11,12, and therefore, God will keep His promise to include righteous men and women in His promised kingdom of priests. That the GB teach salvation by obedience to them! That Jesus told Christians not to go from house to house! Luke 10:7. That nowhere in the scriptures does it tell Christians to go from door to door. That the GB teach that “only Jehovah’s Witnesses......have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil.” How the GB lobby political elements of Satan’s world, whilst claiming they do not, and at the same time have publicly displayed a yearning to get to heaven and fight as Samuel Herd said, and destroy those on earth they view as wicked. “Yeah! That they don’t understand the difference between apostasy and heresy. Vows of poverty, and the misuse of money, when all excess funds should go to those “in the poor range” as Anthony Morris the III said! How they have often said that God has preserved His word down to our day, but not His name in the Christian Greek scriptures. The insulting abuse of the wisdom of God in talking about the light getter ever brighter as applying to the manner in which the Almighty imparts understanding, when the verses are in fact a lesson in being wise. That little babies are enemies of God! How many rank and file witnesses know the origins of their own religion? That JW”s sprang from the Millerite movement of the mid 19th century, and the later Adventist’s! All of whom now are considered by their governing body as part of false religion! CT Russell once said that God has seen to it that true worship has always existed on earth. So why didn’t he join it? All of the above should be included in an interested persons bible study, particularly the children of JW parents, otherwise their children are not making an informed decision either. They won’t understand what will happen to them, if they one day learn the truth of the above, and want to leave!
How does one know that the second letter to the Corinthians was only a few short months after the first letter? Does anyone have a ballpoint figure on the number of suicides caused by disfellowshipping?
@@BeroeanPickets I’m sceptical about the suicide reports. I don’t think it is honest to report something which cannot be substantiated, notwithstanding unnecessary.
@cammeag1965: I’ve read many personal comments from people in the JW community whose friend or relative committed suicide due to the extreme shunning practices of Watchtower. To ask for a ballpark figure is inane… no one knows the true number. But to doubt suicide from shunning exists isn’t fair or realistic.
@@joanferguson4194 Yes. Good comment. Also, when I watch the TV shows about "true" autopsies, I learn that the doctor doing the autopsy will sometimes rule a death a suicide, but other times will rule a death an accident.... when it is an accidental suicide. So, with so many details and technicalities, it would be impossible to arrive at an undisputed number of suicides caused by Watchtower's shunning policy. Edit: Plus, would a suicide note saying "WT caused this" be required in order to blame WT?
Unless I have missed something very fundamental along the way. It appears, as there is no third way, that the GB, denying access to the brothers to be children of God, can only offer, as it were theirs to offer, a place in the second resurrection? So why go through all of this suffering as a Jw to gain a second resurrection, when God offers you that anyway? Bearing in mind that man cannot save himself, this makes their preaching work and lives futile. This organisation is working against God for Satan, by making their preaching work invalid, because surely the object of such work is to find those would be children of God? So why do they not realise this? Because as you say, Satan is blinding them.
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Harry Corkern served as CO in a former congregation I attended. I find it repulsive that he is giving this talk. The very harmful things he mentioned was exactly how he and the rest of body of Elders treated reinstated people. UNFORGIVING. He was a cold and distant COMPANY man then, and apparently, he still is. 💔🤦🏽♀️
Hypocrisy seems to be the one characteristic all such men have in common. Interesting that the word "organization" doesn't appear in Scripture, but hypocrite and hypocrisy occur some 15 times in the book of Matthew.
@BeroeanPickets Absolutely 💯! As always, thank you, Eric❤! You're helping so many exit that unscriptural disorganization in droves! May 👑 God continue to bless your efforts 🙌 🙏🏽
2 Corinthians 11:13 -15 great scripture by the way 👍👍👍 , explains exactly what the WTS /JWS are and became, sinning false prophet apostates, who lured in others with their apostasy 😟
Paul never said that the man repented in 2 Corinthians. The words of Matthew 5: 43-48 tells us why the man should not be shunned. I have not ever read that the man repented. Maybe someone can show or explain it to me.
@@BeroeanPickets My comment was that Paul never said that the man repented (which is a fact). Putting words in Paul’s mouth is akin to what WT does on a daily basis. Paul spoke of forgiveness and comfort for the man in order not to not to be taken advantage of by Satan’s schemes. That was the important part of the message.
@@1stvivification70 So, are you preaching that if a man continues to sin in such a way as to violate God's law and bring reproach on the congregation, we should forgive him if even while he continues to sin, just because he doesn't like the consequences of his sin?
@@1stvivification70 Your position is that since he never actually wrote, "the man repented" that we cannot conclude that he repented. But do you not see where such a position leads? Accepting your view means that if a person sins, does not repent, which means does not stop sinning and acknowledge his wrongdoing, that we should allow him back in if he is so saddened by being denied fellowship that he might go to Satan. If he's still sinning, he's already gone to Satan, right? By your logic, if a man is an unrepentant pedophile, yet is so distressed by being put out of the congregation that he's going to go into the world and be lost to Satan, yet does not repent of his sin, we should just let him back in anyway.
@@1stvivification70 You say the words of Matthew 5:43-48 tell us why the man spoken of by Paul in 2 Corinthians should not be shunned. Matthew:5:43-48 says, "43 You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘Hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Do not even tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even Gentiles do the same? 48 Be perfect therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." 2 Corinthians 2:6, 7 says, "The punishment imposed on him by the majority is sufficient for him. So instead, you ought to forgive and comfort him, so that he will not be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow." What punishment had been imposed on the man by the majority? Do unrepentent people have excessive sorrow? Does the passage in Matthew mention shunning?
Im always intregied with mr pickets. Almost always, he comes around to JEHOVAHS WITNESS bashing. He has an organization of his own now! What is the. Problem? HE IS BEHAVING LIKE A JILTED X GIRLFRIEND. ITS NO SECRETE THAT PICKETS WAS AT ONE TIME A JW HIMSELF. NEVER TALKS ABOUT THE REASON FOR SEPERATION..???
The reason I left is explained in the first video on this channel. ruclips.net/video/UNzIFzSnzTQ/видео.html The reason as you will see if you continue to watch my earlier videos is that Witnesses do not have the truth. They teach falsehoods because they have been deceived by the Governing Body, as was I.
Do uncomfortable questions hurt you? You can delete them on RUclips, but you will not be able to remove them from God, does he know what kind of pastor you yourself have been for 40 years? "The Lord knoweth the thoughts of men... "Psalm 93:11
Note: The last scripture in this video should be John 9:40, 41 instead of John 5:40
your efforts are making a huge impact and bringing many to knowing Christ
Watchtower uses scripture to justify themselves, instead of examining themselves 🪞
They use the tactic of projection
@@Nadiaviotto nice profile picture 👍
"A slave of the Lord, must be kind to everyone, able to teach, and forebearing. He must GENTLY reprove." 2 Tim.2 However "the evil slave beats his fellow servants". "By their works you will know them".
Thank You Eric. I lost family to suicide. Tears 😢
@thrumyeyesmt.6344 - I am so grieved to hear that.
@@BeroeanPickets thank you. I’ll be grieving until Our Father releases me through His Beloved Son.
I'm so sorry , brother feeling your sadness , but send you all my love and support , but remember Our God is Love , and keep faith in our Saviour JESUCHRIST 😢😢😢
Sorry, Thru.
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This was a stellar video. I really got a lot out of it. It just reaffirms my belief that Jehovah’s say how loving they are yet in fact there shunning policy shows just the opposite. I am on the receiving end of their shunning. Painful, cruel & unloving. I joined the Jehovahs Witness religion when I was 18 years old. I repressed for nearly 25 years my sexual and emotional feeling so as not to give away the fact that I might be gay. I couldn’t repress those feelings anymore. I got into my first long term relationship with another man. The elders hunted me down for a year. Long story short I was disfellowshipped at the age of 39. Went straight into alcoholism for 6 years. Fortunately I got help at the age of 45 and became sober. I have been diligent in regularly seeing a excellent therapist. I have now found a new family & wonderful friends who support me and I support them. Thankyou for reading this lengthy commentary. With LOVE, Marty B.
Thank you, brother Eric for another video. How they are now trying to wriggle in order to gain the favor of the authorities of this world. All these changes in their doctrines are not worth the suffering and humiliation that many have endured. And this in no way alleviates their sin in the eyes of God.
They are so good at describing themselves perfectly. The entire chapter at Matthew 23 describes the GB very well!
You are so right about Matthew 23.
@@BeroeanPickets Greetings from Muskoka Eric!
@@donyboy73 Another Canuck. Yeah!
@@BeroeanPickets Yes and my young nephew who left now works at Stelco.
@@donyboy73 Small world. I can see the smoke stacks of Stelco from my balcony. Here's my email. Contact me if you're ever in the area. meleti.vivlon@gmail.com
Now I believe that GB can change ANYTHING they want, ANYTIME they need, and ALL JWs will swallow it without a sip of water... 😢
@RegieWipesWall That's what they think, but that isn't working for them anymore.
This is exactly what I see. I see it in my own family. No matter what is said they agree and they will attack anyone with a differing opinion.
@@pocahontas4583 This is EXACTLY the same with my family. I try to imagine a situation when GB crosses the line of incoherent speech that would be too much for my family to bear. And sadly I can't see it... :(
@@BeroeanPicketsI agree as I am baptised over 40 years but woke up recently and now PIMO like thousands of others trying to get their families out. It’s so easy to fact check everything via Google
They are gaslighting and it's dangerous.
👍 agreed
True.
when have they never gaslighted , new light is gaslighting 101 , its anger inducing
Great Job Eric Thanks
I can not take GB hiprocrisy anymore 🙃🙃 I just want to puke🤮 Thank you so much for your work Eric ❤
My pleasure, and I quite understand your reaction.
Great you always have,,very good reasoning making sense of scripture ❤
Another one of my Childhood friends 🙆🏾♂️
( From my Old Kingdom Hall days )
Has just Passed on . ( At age 77 ) 😔
He was JUST STARTING to Wake up .🤦🏽♂️
I Look forward . . To Seeing him once again . 🙏🏽
@akatheheretic3014 Sorry to hear that, but so happy to know we share the same hope.
Brillant video Eric & yet so sad!😪
Pure evil to ignore someone you love. We only have to remember the Prodigal Son and the Good Samaritan.
Afraid the JWs are based on control and hate nothing like the teaching and example of the Christ.
I feel like they don’t even care what they say anymore. As long as they say it with a sort of false emotional conviction. 😂
Eric, I laughed *so much* at the exchange at 4:37 - I haven’t laughed that much for a while. Thanks!
Yeah, me too! These dipsticks don't realize that THEY have become the very same type of people that they have pointed their fingers at for more than 70 years! "Therefore it is nothing great that his (Satan's) ministers keep transforming themselves into ministers of righteousness. But their end shall be according to their works." 2 Corinth. 11: 13-15
You hit the nail on the head on this one
I got df'd 25 years ago but I was fortunate. A few other guys I knew from the JWs also left and we had great times together. One was df'd and because I was hanging out with him I got df'd. Another one got approached by the elders but he threatened their lives so they left him alone. His parents still shunned him and he ended up taking his life, while engaged to a really great girl, because he couldn't take it anymore. I was fortunate in that my parents called me the day the announcement was made and told me nothing was going to change, and nothing did. Dad even listened to my "doubts" and problems with Watchtower teachings. I cannot imagine what it's like for family to treat you like you're worse than dead just because you disagree with a religion's ideas.
Thank you for sharing this with us. So sad to read about your friend, but what great parents you have to have the love for you conquer the fear of men.
In my experience I was disfelloshiped on totally flimsy and uncriptually grounds, I remained in that condition for more than seven years...after a family 👪 tragedy ensued I finally took my mother's advice and communicated with a high ranking society official. The wheels were then very quickly put in motion for my reinstatement after more than seven years. Back in the late 70's what you have brought forward in this installment was introduced(the five months rule) of 1st and 2nd Corinthians. It took a death to move them to action...the blood guilt is on their hands, and as the scripture says '...I shall ask back the blood of all the slain ones...'
Hi Aiercooledengine. I feel for you, and we all do. Disfellowshipping has often been used by local elders as a tool to control others and punish anyone they don't like or disagree with.
I rememeber the last 70s and how it made me feel to see a softening in the judicial procedures that were practiced to that popint. I'm sure that was due to the influence of Raymond Franz. One man with the spirit is more powerful than 10 without it. There was a beautiful move then toward enlightment, but once they got rid of Raymond, they reverted back and then some. It reminds me of the warning Jesus gave:
““When an unclean spirit comes out of a man, it passes through waterless places in search of a resting-place and finds none. Then it says, ‘I will go back to my house from which I moved,’ and on arriving, it finds the house unoccupied but swept clean and adorned. Then it goes and takes along with it seven different spirits more wicked than itself, and after getting inside, they dwell there; and the final circumstances of that man become worse than the first. That is how it will be also with this wicked generation.”” (Matthew 12:43-45)
I feel you, friend. See my longer comment up above; as I too was removed for unscriptural reasons! I am finishing a letter addressed to the Branch Service department that exposes these hypocritical, judgemental, and merciless "elders" who'd rather follow man-made rules than the example of the congregation head and King; Christ Jesus. It's been over 2 years now, and I have appealed for reinstatement now 3 TIMES. First 2 times I was told to "wait longer". 3rd time was 3 weeks ago and I haven't heard a peep out these brothers in my new congregation that I have been attending for over 6 months now! Only wish to "go back" so I can see and speak to my dear misguided family again. Especially my dear grandchildren Will never kowtow or bow down to these pharisee-like men who call themselves "the governing body"!!!
@aiercooledengine........May Jehovah prove to be with you as He has with so many thousands of us ex-JW elders, and publishers who were mistreated! I find comfort in Paul's words at Hebrews 6: 10,..." For God is not unrighteous so as to forget the work you have done and the love you have showed for His name."
@@connormusic9274 Thank you.
Thankyou Eric
@@BeroeanPickets You are so right Eric.Even ones that reported sexual abuse to Authorities where shunned/Disfellowshiped.
I just wanted to say thanks for not losing your faith. I’ve been here since the very first video and happen to share your views for the most part. It seems that most who have left this cult have left God as well. It’s refreshing to relate to you. Thanks for not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. And thank you for all your work.
@nate_gracey- would you like to meet some others who worship in spirit and truth? Try visiting us at our Bible Zoom gathering sometime. beroeans.net/events
Hands down and arms raised......disfellowshipping is not loving. The harm and the reverberations of harm to family, friends and all other relationships cannot be ignored. How many ex-JWs return to a faith that expelled them in this cruel way.....when the purpose was to point out their wrong and attempt to keep the faithful 'pure'. Jehovah would not approve.....being loving is the way of Jehovah. There are more loving ways to handle those who are diverging from the flock. If your God is not one of love.......then your God offers nothing more than any human could offer. Love applies to everything and supersedes any law or rule. Love is what you do.
Very well said & summed up. Thanks for a clear, concise, exposure of how blind &/or disingenuous these people are & have been. I especially liked James face in the mirror illustration. Although it applies to most of us. Your good work is appreciated.
Thank you kindly
WT leadership doesn’t do anything without a self serving motivation.
I’ve seen the GB bend their own rules when necessary.
For instance, there used to be the requirement for a DFd person to be reinstated at least two years before qualifying for special privileges, such as WT Bethel assignments. Well, on several projects we asked for extra leniency because of needing specialized video, computer, or building trades skills. Usually the GB would grant exceptions. In fact, in at least one specific case, they expedited the reinstatement of a guy who was still awaiting confirmation by his local BoE.
Yet again, you are right on point Eric. Thank you so much for your good work.!!❤
@jaybyrd5556 - You are so welcome
Unloving arrangement of disfellowshipping is truly evil. Sad indeed.
Nobody lies like the Watchtower cult.🤦🏾♂️
One of the main questions I would ask when I was in the Lie (not the Truth as we would call it) was why are we going beyond what is written. Your discourse highlights that Eric when you brought out their entire disfellowshiping and reinstatement policies.
Thanks Eric. Really enlightening.
Glad it was helpful!
They always describe themselves.
Yes, projection
Watchtower is hiding in plain sight 👀
James 2:13
because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.
Very good point, Linda
I was raised in “The Truth. But left when I was old enough to think for myself. Anytime someone was shunned or disfellowshiped, they were treated like they had a disease. Their own families were encouraged to stay away from them. Very unloving indeed!
I myself have been expulsed for 10 years. My wife and I being above average educated in the scriptures talked about this for years. I never wanted to return because I said they are not shepherds but judges.
The most interesting thing is that my wife accepted a bible study by a sister, just because she wanted to understand their viewpoint. The only argument they could make is that it is a loving provision. My wife asked in what manner: show me what kind of love in Corinthians you are talking about.
The bible study ended after one day I walked out of the door when the 2 sisters approached our house and totally ignored me, but talked to my 1 year old.
Now my wife send her a message: does this new light mean that the woman from Babylon the great was right all along?
They will never take responsibility for their brutal mistakes!
Right on brother Wilson! Your use of this scripture was part of my defense and counsel to the service department of the Watchtower, NY,...the governing body, and the local elders who kicked me out of the congregation over their own personal opinions of what constitutes a compromise of "neutrality". The word "neutrality" is not even found in the Bible as you know; much less clearly defined!
As a former elder myself I appealed for reinstatement after 6 months. Was turned down and told, "not enough time had elapsed". Really????? So they set themselves up as judges of my heart; slandered my good name because their own "biased leaning" took precedence over scripture; and apparently were following the words of the branch office stating somewhere in their manual, I guess, that at least a year needs to pass before considering reinstatement!????!! (1 Tim. 5: 21 ) When I was an elder; we were asked to allow at least 90 days before considering an appeal to reinstate. But even that policy finds no basis in scripture as you well know.
At least 2 accounts of well known immoral women in Jesus' time, were provided in Matthew and John's gospel books. One in John 8: 1-12 of a woman the pharisees wanted to stone to death; whom Jesus IMMEDIATELY FORGAVE HER and exhorted her to "sin no more"! That was the extent of the only recorded "judicial meeting" in the Bible that I can recall! Then there's the account of another woman who came to wash his feet while dining with an "apostate" pharisee!😆🤣(I love to read that one for 3 reasons: 1. Jesus perceived her remorseful heart, and 2. he forgave her then and there; and 3. he was "eating" with a man who "denied the Christ" up until that moment at least. A man who fit the description of 2 John 7-11; a chief text JW's use to reason away their shunning policies!!😂😆
Did Jehovah tell King David he would have to wait at least a year before He forgave him? Did Jehovah ask the entire jewish court , priests, levites, and David's family to shun him for at least a year before He would forgive him? Did Jehovah disfellowship Aaron the high priest and spokesman for him in Moses' day for his complicity in the building of a golden calf idol? What about Jesus when he was denied by Peter 3 times on the night of his arrest?? Did Jesus' tell Peter he would have to wait at least a year before he would consider forgiving him??? ARE YOU FRICKIN' KIDDING US;... GOVERNING BODY AND JW ELDERS?
Pull your heads out of your butt, and do as the apostle Paul exhorted: " ....look intently at the Chief agent of Life, and the Perfecter of our faith, Jesus Christ. (Hebrews 12: 2 ) Start following HIM, and not yourselves!!
Sorry brother Eric for my occasional rants here! But your talks are the most appropriate and scripture based on You Tube. Thanks for letting me share my wisdom and experience as well; as another former elder, Bethelite, ministerial servant and traveling public speaker for the JW community.😃😊
@connormusic9274 • Thank you for sharing this with us. If you'd like to be interviewed on Beroean Voices, please send me an email to meleti.vivlon@gmail.com.
@@BeroeanPickets Thanks. I just might do that in the future. I'm making 1 more appeal to be reinstated; mainly so I can see my siblings, my daughter, and grand-daughters again. That appeal will also go to the US branch; and exposes my elders and organizational disobedience, corruption and hypocrisy when deciding to DF someone. If enough of us bombard these "fake Christians", hopefully they will wake up and repent, and confess their sins to the misled organization. But, I expect that since they've never apologized for their many wrong prophecies and interpretations before; that their arrogance won't accept my scripture backed reproof!
I'll try to record your e-mail address for future reference, brother. Take care.
The same applies for the one that quite coming to the meetings, same as the wrong doer.
This video is spot on! What about all the aging parents out here who are shunned like garbage and thrown away all because they woke up from this evil diabolic org?! I wonder how Norway views this cruel, evil behavior. It's not just young ones who are hurt by shunning. Thank you, Eric, for your hard work exposing false prophets.
Norway has spoken.
Then there’s the ugly reverse scenario of df’d adult kids being forced to feed, house and clothe sick aging JW parents who haven’t spoken to said kids for years, even decades!! Watchtower won’t help such aged believers not even if those people gave all their lives to the org!
@achys6301; I saw a video about how Norway views shunning and, needless to say, the government doesn't approve of the Watchtower Society's policy of shunning at all. That is why Norway revoked the Watchtower Society's charity status and defunded it.
Thanks Eric , you really are spoilt for choice with content for your videos, brings to my mind Matt 12 v34..NIV..You brood of vipers,how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.
Yes. I wish they'd just offer some bland nonsense for a while so I could spend more time producing videos on Bible topics.
Thank you for your work on this and helping dissect the strategies this high control group / cult uses in framing its messaging. Have you also noticed the interesting speech pace that’s in all the talks. I wouldn’t be surprised that if this is dissected has its own link to psychological manipulation
Very reminiscent of the 1975 debacle and their subsequent narrative
Thank you, Eric, for bringing awareness to this unscriptural and harmful practice.
It's just so infuriating how they unapologetically pretend to be concerned about this now after so many people's lives have been derailed or worse.
They've known about these scriptures all along. Why didn't they apply this reasoning before making the choice to be unloving, unchristian, judgmental, and self righteous for decades?
So very true, Elizabeth.
My brother who committed suicide because of shunning. Now it’s an overreach. This organization has no shame and should be abolished
Theres blood on their hands.
And the unmerciful ones, will be judged without mercy. It is Written.
Well, as David Splane unwittingly admits in this same Broadcast, there time will come and that right soon.
@@BeroeanPickets why is this being allowed. My mother refused a blood transfusion and past while my brother being upset about it and speaks his mind about it. He is disfellowshipped and shunned to the point he turns to drugs and alcohol and he commits suicide. Now they think they went too far? I believe in a creator and also believe in forgiveness but I do sure hope that they are punished for their hypocrisy and I believe a crime. This has to stop. But then again the rest of the family still believe and continues to study. I just don’t understand this world anymore.
@@Jacar50 Ironically, Splane's video, which I'll be commenting on next, foretells their downfall.
I said this on another video, but tigers don’t change stripes, they just change how they hunt once their hunting grounds have been discovered.
Once again, we see the organization placing blame on its members for how DF’d ones were treated, pretending as if this wasn’t their policy. We know y they are doing this. Nothing changes about this religion or its leaders:
They may try to rebrand itself as this loving, come as u r religion mimicking those “false religions” of Christendom they so despised, but at its core it’s still deceptive, and unaccountable for their actions.
What a slap to the face of Elders following THEIR directions, & those who were harmed as DF’d ones by these directions. BUT, I’m sure the Elders were only following their “Bible trained” conscience. Lol
What a joke of a religion; still can’t believe I dedicated 40 yrs of my life to it, believing I had “The Truth.” Smh
Yes. And you're "preaching to the choir" with this comment. Every JW who ever preached has participated in propagating Watchtower's lies. If we are old enough, some who we preached to have now fallen asleep in death. And my own dear grandmother taught me to be a JW. It's no accident that many have now become activists against Watchtower and have become supporters of those activists.
Thank you Eric, it is so frustrating to see how they turn their lies. Thanks to you we see it happening
The Holy Spirit is not a time keeper. You should not be disfellowshipped for a “certain amount of time”. And the fact that you have to sit on your bed feeling guilty of your “sin”, is in itself repentance. You shouldn’t have to tell them what your sin was or even admit you feel guilty to them. You’ve done that already in secret. How it SHOULD be run is for you to tell the brothers that you prayed to God of your sin and he answered. That’s it. They are in no position to punish. And if they get to choose who gets disfellowshipped, who is repentant or not, means they are claiming to be ABOVE the Holy Spirit.
It's seems to me most Ex Jws also focus on the governing body broadcasts, so making videos about scripture could fill a big void, and you are so good at that...we appreciate all you do..thanks again
Thank you so much, Paul.
They are blood giuity, oam stunned over 40 years
So true.
Even as l little boy I would always tell my mom that…it’s hard for me to understand how a GOD who is so loving would just turn his back on a child that was sick spiritually…l read the Bible…and the GOD that l knew and loved is not that person!…he isn’t…it doesn’t make sense…mom?…would you ever turn your back on me if I were sick?…if l had the flu? NO! Ok so why would Jehovah? Doesn’t he love me as much as you do?
Even as a child I knew it didn’t make sense! But they didn’t see or understand “Jehovah’s mercy” until 2024? Maybe GOD doesn’t love you as much as you think…because he reveals his truth to those whom he loves!
Perfect reasoning! "Out of the mouths of babes..."
Talk about self incrimination
In praise of high hypocrisy.
5:14 I bet it’s whiskey 🥃 time.....right Eric?🙄
What the....??? for sure.
🤣🥃 But it has to be an 18-year-old scotch. I don't drink with minors.
@@BeroeanPickets 😝good call there!
Yea Eric...I Agree...what the heck ...Play it again Sam...or Harold , or whatever. Isn't it Ironic when you point a finger at someone, there are 3 fingers pointing back. Again, and again they (Society) incriminate themselves. Dear Eric, I so do respect your work, but they make your job so easy... Like picking low hanging fruit. They are such quintessential liars & hypocrites. PS.. ...Well Done my friend !
Thanks, and Support!
So very true. Someone pointed out to me a while back that when you point your finger at someone else, besides the three fingers pointing back at you, there’s your thumb pointing up to God, who is the judge of all. I try to always bear that in mind when doing these videos. I want to be fair, and evenhanded, and give them the benefit of the doubt, but they make it so very difficult to do that. You are quite right in what you say, northern exposure. It is like picking low hanging fruit.
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On my country it is a unwritten rule that expelation takes 6 months in most of cases my one tooked 7 months reason??? My repentance was not enough I Heard from elders...😂😂😂
Thank-you, but for better Englis language understanding, the past tense of "expelling", or to expel, is "expulsion".😄😅😉
Sorry, but I can't help but think that Harold looks like Dr Bunsen Honeydew 😂 "Watchtower Labs, where we're making up the future today"
@Grythpyke That honor used to belong to Mark Sanderson before the beard.
Satan an angel of light, like new light you mean 😮 Great video thank you 🙏 ❤
Hypocrisy runs through this organisation like a Brighton rock (traditional UK confectionery)
Great film to for those who haven't seen it Brighton Rock.
Going of topic like some speakers I have heard at the KH fortunately that's long in the past.
@@thetruthk5138 yeah I've never seen the film or read the book. I wouldn't mind having a look on RUclips
@@oliveonthebuses1 It's on RUclips enjoyable it's a classic
@@thetruthk5138 yes I prefer the old black and white films over the modern remakes
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Yes.
Thank u for ur cogent exegesis..
The sad part is how many witnesses fall for their trickery I'm sure it's possible even this guy is being tricked
Yeah, the brainwashing is incredible. Especially from other members of the Bethel HQ. They're supposed to be spiritually mature, scripturally astute, and be deep students of the Bible. Instead, they are deep students of their ignorant leaders and their man made rules! What a bunch of spineless cowards! Afraid to call out their overseers when they see scriptural principles and teaching of Jesus blatantly ignored and sidestepped in favor of Watchtower rules!
8:25 its a little thing called projection and not merely deflection and it’s not little. It’s WT’s hallmark of "love” shown to all but especially toward those related to them in WT faith.🙄
For decades JWs would follow John 2:10 and "not even greet him." Now they throw that scripture away and say to greet him... but THEN SHUN him! "What the...?" Lol "To greet or not to greet before shunning," that is the question. ;-)
PS: Lawyers were involved in both decisions. Hayden C. Covington (one of the JW's “other sheep,”) was the Watchtower Attorney and Vice President of the Watchtower Society from 1942 to 1945, about the time "disfellowshipping" began. I thought only the "anointed" were directed by Holy Spirit???
@mamajan99- thank you so much for sharing that.
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but...🤔......
Does God change?!??!!
HE was not, is, and will always be, merciful...??!!
Why, suddenly.....
is all this just now, GB...?!?!?!
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Notice that after only three months or so, and having had no contact with the man, he knew he was repentant. How? Must have been God's Holy Spirit informing him. However, search the "Shepherd the Flock" book as they may for Watchtower's wisdom, there is no way any elder has a hope in hell of accurately judging the heart to discern repentance of some potential victim of injustice at a judicial committee, assuming he was guilty of a sin in the first place.
The relevant scriptures don't actually say whether he was repentant or not if I remember rightly, do they?
I want Watchtower to explain to me how my mother’s sister shunning her for over 40 years was helpful to anyone. They destroyed our family while ignoring the real problems in their organization.
It was helpful to the leaders of the Watchtower to maintain control, but that was only a temporary benefit to them. Now the consequences of their sin are coming home to roost.
Che assurdità dire che il diavolo è tentatore! È tutto suo chi deve tentare? I testimoni? Sono suoi.....
I love your insight on the organization. However I take a different view on the church discipline or disfellowshipping in 1 Cor. The scripture NEVER said he repented just like the prodigal son. The church was following Jesus footsteps not Paul commands. He was still there just maybe because they tired to work with that man and the others involved. Jesus instructions were to have those deal with the problem. Not the church. Paul must have a moment to reflect and instruct the church to reinstate this man without any reservation. I have more to add, but I think you get my point.
Hypocrisy
My brother in Christ, what Bible do you use?
In videos like this, directed specifically toward Witnesses, I tend to use the NWT. However, I don't have a favorite Bible. I use biblehub.com which offers a wide variety of versions, and also like 2001translation.org for its unbiased policy toward translation.
Before you become a JW:
Jesus said His yoke is kindly, and His load was light.
It was the governing body of His day that was harsh and unloving. It was the scribes and pharisees, the Sanhedrin who loaded the people down with their man made rules. Does that remind us of any self proclaimed governing body of men today?
Jehovah’s Witnesses say that an interested person needs to make an informed decision by studying the bible, and then decide if they want to be one. One of what exactly? A Christian or a JW? And I would add that they need to study the origins of the bible, it’s many manuscripts, translators and translations first, and then the origins of JW theology:
How many elders for example, let alone bible students know the truth about the origins of disfellowshipping, disassociation, blood, the true identity of the other sheep, 1914, CSA, how the GB affiliated themselves with the UN for 10 years, but prohibited the witnesses in Malawi 18 years earlier to carry a party political card, resulting in the death and torture of thousands! The expedient truth behind the identity change of the FDS. Russell’s trips to Egypt with his tape measure. His teaching that organization is to be avoided at all costs. The real reason Rutherford and co went to jail in WW1. Rutherford’s correspondence to Hitler. His mansion at Beth-Sarim. His addition to the good news by his teaching of two hopes derived from hearing angels speaking to him inside his head! His own admission that he made an ass of himself! Olin R. Moyle. The 2012 land grab. The dedication of new Kingdom Halls for the solemn worship of Almighty God, then selling them off behind His back to pay for their misdemeanours! The 144,000 is not literal! There is no judgement of anyone in this system. Gods promise never to destroy all life again. All of the 31 endtime predictions of JW’s that did not come true, when all the while Jesus warned us not to follow those who keep saying the due time is near. See Luke 21. The overlapping generation. GB member Geoffrey Jackson telling the Royal Australian Commission in 2015 that JW’s are not the only ones who have Gods Holy Spirit, that it would be presumptuous to say so! The GB naming themselves as guardians of doctrine which has no scriptural basis. They have taught that when they speak, it is as if Jesus has spoken. When discussing being ambassadors for Christ, they made the addition of the word substituting to the Holy scriptures. Being chosen as the FDS in 1919 whilst teaching demonistic pyramidology. That there is a clergy hierarchy in JW’s, and we are not all brothers. Millions Now Living Will Never Die! The misery caused because they didn’t know the correct understanding of Porneia until the early 1970’s, and had to get the information from clergyman who did know from well before Russell’s time. The truth about Raymond Franz. They teach young children that they don’t have to apologise for their mistakes. That Jehovah’s Witness baptism is not made in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, but into the organization of JW’s. And that the verse in Matthew 28:19 was likely added to and should read in the name of Jesus! The complete changing of the wording of Matthew 11:11,12, and therefore, God will keep His promise to include righteous men and women in His promised kingdom of priests. That the GB teach salvation by obedience to them! That Jesus told Christians not to go from house to house! Luke 10:7. That nowhere in the scriptures does it tell Christians to go from door to door. That the GB teach that “only Jehovah’s Witnesses......have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil.” How the GB lobby political elements of Satan’s world, whilst claiming they do not, and at the same time have publicly displayed a yearning to get to heaven and fight as Samuel Herd said, and destroy those on earth they view as wicked. “Yeah! That they don’t understand the difference between apostasy and heresy. Vows of poverty, and the misuse of money, when all excess funds should go to those “in the poor range” as Anthony Morris the III said! How they have often said that God has preserved His word down to our day, but not His name in the Christian Greek scriptures. The insulting abuse of the wisdom of God in talking about the light getter ever brighter as applying to the manner in which the Almighty imparts understanding, when the verses are in fact a lesson in being wise. That little babies are enemies of God!
How many rank and file witnesses know the origins of their own religion? That JW”s sprang from the Millerite movement of the mid 19th century, and the later Adventist’s! All of whom now are considered by their governing body as part of false religion! CT Russell once said that God has seen to it that true worship has always existed on earth. So why didn’t he join it?
All of the above should be included in an interested persons bible study, particularly the children of JW parents, otherwise their children are not making an informed decision either. They won’t understand what will happen to them, if they one day learn the truth of the above, and want to leave!
How does one know that the second letter to the Corinthians was only a few short months after the first letter?
Does anyone have a ballpoint figure on the number of suicides caused by disfellowshipping?
It would be interesting to know, but we have no way of doing a census. The answer is surely many based on some informal polling.
@@BeroeanPickets I’m sceptical about the suicide reports. I don’t think it is honest to report something which cannot be substantiated, notwithstanding unnecessary.
@cammeag1965: I’ve read many personal comments from people in the JW community whose friend or relative committed suicide due to the extreme shunning practices of Watchtower. To ask for a ballpark figure is inane… no one knows the true number. But to doubt suicide from shunning exists isn’t fair or realistic.
@@joanferguson4194
Yes. Good comment. Also, when I watch the TV shows about "true" autopsies, I learn that the doctor doing the autopsy will sometimes rule a death a suicide, but other times will rule a death an accident.... when it is an accidental suicide. So, with so many details and technicalities, it would be impossible to arrive at an undisputed number of suicides caused by Watchtower's shunning policy.
Edit: Plus, would a suicide note saying "WT caused this" be required in order to blame WT?
@@joanferguson4194 My wife alone knows of five suicides within the JW community.
Unless I have missed something very fundamental along the way. It appears, as there is no third way, that the GB, denying access to the brothers to be children of God, can only offer, as it were theirs to offer, a place in the second resurrection?
So why go through all of this suffering as a Jw to gain a second resurrection, when God offers you that anyway? Bearing in mind that man cannot save himself, this makes their preaching work and lives futile.
This organisation is working against God for Satan, by making their preaching work invalid, because surely the object of such work is to find those would be children of God? So why do they not realise this? Because as you say, Satan is blinding them.
Witam czy w języku polskim jest możliwe przetłumaczenie
There is an auto-translation feature built into RUclips videos. Use the "gear" (settings) icon to access the menu, select "auto-translate" and the pick your language. We also have a Polish channel but it takes a few days to do the translation.
Polish Channel: www.youtube.com/@badzmy.jak.berejczycy
W filmach na RUclips wbudowana jest funkcja automatycznego tłumaczenia. Użyj ikony "koła zębatego" (ustawienia), aby uzyskać dostęp do menu, wybierz "automatyczne tłumaczenie" i wybierz język. Mamy również polski kanał, ale tłumaczenie zajmuje kilka dni.
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Gaslighting.
Harry Corkern served as CO in a former congregation I attended. I find it repulsive that he is giving this talk. The very harmful things he mentioned was exactly how he and the rest of body of Elders treated reinstated people. UNFORGIVING. He was a cold and distant COMPANY man then, and apparently, he still is. 💔🤦🏽♀️
Hypocrisy seems to be the one characteristic all such men have in common. Interesting that the word "organization" doesn't appear in Scripture, but hypocrite and hypocrisy occur some 15 times in the book of Matthew.
@BeroeanPickets Absolutely 💯! As always, thank you, Eric❤! You're helping so many exit that unscriptural disorganization in droves! May 👑 God continue to bless your efforts 🙌 🙏🏽
You're a corker Harold Corkern (read sarcastically).
Current JW but WT NOT MY GOD...Does the Bible say all who love and serve him HAVE TO BE BAPTIZED IN A RELIGION?
2 Corinthians 11:13 -15 great scripture by the way 👍👍👍 , explains exactly what the WTS /JWS are and became, sinning false prophet apostates, who lured in others with their apostasy 😟
Paul never said that the man repented in 2 Corinthians.
The words of Matthew 5: 43-48 tells us why the man should not be shunned.
I have not ever read that the man repented. Maybe someone can show or explain it to me.
It would be hypocritical for Paul to tell them to allow the man back in if he were still committing the sin, would it not?
@@BeroeanPickets
My comment was that Paul never said that the man repented (which is a fact). Putting words in Paul’s mouth is akin to what WT does on a daily basis. Paul spoke of forgiveness and comfort for the man in order not to not to be taken advantage of by Satan’s schemes. That was the important part of the message.
@@1stvivification70 So, are you preaching that if a man continues to sin in such a way as to violate God's law and bring reproach on the congregation, we should forgive him if even while he continues to sin, just because he doesn't like the consequences of his sin?
@@1stvivification70 Your position is that since he never actually wrote, "the man repented" that we cannot conclude that he repented. But do you not see where such a position leads? Accepting your view means that if a person sins, does not repent, which means does not stop sinning and acknowledge his wrongdoing, that we should allow him back in if he is so saddened by being denied fellowship that he might go to Satan. If he's still sinning, he's already gone to Satan, right?
By your logic, if a man is an unrepentant pedophile, yet is so distressed by being put out of the congregation that he's going to go into the world and be lost to Satan, yet does not repent of his sin, we should just let him back in anyway.
@@1stvivification70
You say the words of Matthew 5:43-48 tell us why the man spoken of by Paul in 2 Corinthians should not be shunned.
Matthew:5:43-48 says, "43 You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘Hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Do not even tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even Gentiles do the same?
48 Be perfect therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."
2 Corinthians 2:6, 7 says, "The punishment imposed on him by the majority is sufficient for him. So instead, you ought to forgive and comfort him, so that he will not be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow."
What punishment had been imposed on the man by the majority?
Do unrepentent people have excessive sorrow?
Does the passage in Matthew mention shunning?
Im always intregied with mr pickets.
Almost always, he comes around to JEHOVAHS WITNESS bashing. He has an organization of his own now! What is the. Problem? HE IS BEHAVING LIKE A JILTED X GIRLFRIEND.
ITS NO SECRETE THAT PICKETS WAS AT ONE TIME A JW HIMSELF. NEVER TALKS ABOUT THE REASON FOR SEPERATION..???
The reason I left is explained in the first video on this channel.
ruclips.net/video/UNzIFzSnzTQ/видео.html
The reason as you will see if you continue to watch my earlier videos is that Witnesses do not have the truth. They teach falsehoods because they have been deceived by the Governing Body, as was I.
Do uncomfortable questions hurt you? You can delete them on RUclips, but you will not be able to remove them from God, does he know what kind of pastor you yourself have been for 40 years? "The Lord knoweth the thoughts of men... "Psalm 93:11
Why do you hide your name from the world, yet presume to judge others?