The fact that Cambridge University is one of the best Universities in the world and you’re thinking of applying with what you think are mediocre test scores is baffling to me? Like, what do you think is mediocre?
@@miasancto to get accepted by oxbridge is far easier than an ivy league. Here in the UK all you need is 3 ALevels with 3 As and bam you are in. No need for you to have an IQ of 145, tons of extra curriculars, nation awards etc. Just get good ALevels and thats it. And it's relatively cheap as well. £9000 for each year. For 3 years.
I’m really good at writing and logical thinking but struggle when it comes to tests scores and timed assignments. This is mainly due to the fact that I get nervous and tense up while doing them. I’m glad that Harvard and other colleges are dropping the SAT and looking towards students other abilities academically.
What about me, I'm the exact opposite. I'm great at testing but I can't focus for shit on homework assignments. It seems really stupid to me. Some students are bad at homework and good at tests, and others are bad at tests and good at homework. The only way to get a full picture of both of these types of students is to use both GPA and test scores like they previously were.
At least my class will be the last class where the tests are not needed so that's all that maters to me. (I'm a class of 2025 in high and will be the 2029 in collage.)
the thing about optional things for college is that they are never actually optional. if you want to be in the competitive pool you still have to take the tests and get good scores
I have a lot of friends at my college who didn't submit their ACT scores, and they still got into the college. My school is no Harvard, but it does have a small campus population of only 1500 students.
Yeah no, as long as the wording is “not required” then SAT is gonna keep thriving. I’ve applied to many schools so far and if you look at the numbers and logistics of it, SAT is still a big deciding factor, and the worst you can do is to think you don’t need it anymore. The colleges are like: “we are not saying we need SAT, but we need SAT”
ikr, these people are so dilusional to think that "not requiring" is equal to disregarding it as an important factor. It is simply a way for college to improve their own stats while also appearing to be "understanding" of the current circumstances
This is actually really good to know. I’m a good student and get good grades, I’m in 8th grade and teachers are starting to have us look at colleges (no pressure right). I have secure test anxiety and rally struggle, so hopefully I won’t have to worry about the test people normally freak out about
This hurts regular students the most. Affluent students have an easier time getting extra-curricular activities than middle class or poor students. A standardized test levels the playing field some. Anyone that maxes out the SAT or ACT is very intelligent. Not everyone who does equestrian or spent time doing mission trips is the best candidate (nothing wrong with those things, but only some people have the resources to do them).
Exactly. GPAs are inflated at private feeder schools for the rich, and honors and awards can be paid for. Yes, there are expensive resources for the SAT as well, but I mean Khan Academy is free. It's not nearly as hard for a regular student to do well on a standardized test if they're just smart about how they prepare for it.
You’re joking right? Sat tests are not fair at all. You have to have money to afford SAT prep, afford retests, and afford pre sat tests. When it comes to showing personality, writing, and just putting some extra effort or time in school that is more leveled than the SATS.
Yes, but at the same time standardized tests don't show all that much. They show effort, sure, but they aren't true guages of student's performance. If that student can save the time they would have spent studying for the SAT on something actually productive, there's a much better result. If you are truly unable to join extracurriculars, that's something you should write about in your essays. Explain why you tried but could not, and what you did instead. Colleges care about what you did in spite of your difficulty. There is pretty much no world where you will get in solely from your SAT score. In some cases it can be a helpful standout (e.g., low gpa due to having to work a job to support your family: 1550+ SAT score would help show you're a talented student). Those are still available, but for a lot of students, there will be a lot of time spent on the SAT which is frankly quite useless time spent IMO. In some cases it doesn't really improve your application all that much, or in some cases hurts it (I was way ahead of SAT-level in math yet got many questions wrong from small mistakes).
But at the end your gpa still matters and your extra activities along with your essays. Also I’m thinking of applying to BITS Pilani, cause the college is MIT paired and is also entered by BITSAT., cause international education is kinda expensive without scholarship, and I suck at advance physics and chemistry for JEE qualifications.
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The stuff you learn in highschool doesn't help you with your degree!!! There, I said it! These Standardized Tests are the single handedly WORST way to assess a kid.
@@jacobhanekamp2534not necessarily true it depends on what degree you want. Also english is going to help no matter what and you learn that in highschool
@@jacobhanekamp2534thats just not true. the SAT assesses the essential skills necessary for college. you cant get a degree in math if you cant solve the problems on the sat, and you cant get a degree in english if you cant write an essay for the sat
Just because you get a high grade doesn’t mean you’re smart many things can factor this for example one person might be good at logical thinking another at being creative and another at focusing and achieving tasks just because you’re good at history doesn’t mean shit to company’s in the 21st century it just means you’re willing to focus on one thing while someone who might score less might be good at focusing on multiple things. As a business man myself if I had to hire one of the two it would definitely be the guy who scored less on his exams because that shows me he not one minded and can have an opinion on his decisions
@@short-eu7bs I’m not from the US so I never had to do one. My point is that Grades define how much a person studies/prepares for a test, it doesn’t determine intelligence. I did 4 years mechanical engineering plus 1 extra PLC year so my grades where up there. But today I’m not even a mechanical engineer I’m a real estate investor/ entrepreneur I noticed growing up I had a gift of being creative which today that gift has made me millions. So what I’m trying to say is grades didn’t make me successful my courage and determination to succeed made me successful when I hire someone I don’t even look at their school score card because it doesn’t show how smart they are.I test them on how creative and independent they can work. There’s difference between being book smart and just being smart in general you should learn to not be one minded because the future of companies don’t want it.
If there’s no SAT/ACT then there’s no standardized way to compare students. At this point it just becomes random, like a lottery. Even GPA is not a good way to compare students because different schools have different GPA weights and different difficulty/offerings of classes. The SAT is definitely not over, this is just Harvard’s way of trying to get more money from test optional applicants every year. Harvard’s prestige is going to decline significantly over the next 20 years, while MIT’s prestige will only increase.
@@aman-qj5sx Wtf are you talking about? A Levels and APs are not offered in every schools equally. Some high schools offer 3 AP classes while others offer 18. Some AP teachers give every student an A while for others a B is considered a great grade. Also, olympiads?? Are you actually braindead? These are not standardized. I am talking about standardized testing. Olympiads are an extracurricular achievement. These accomplishments mean different things across the country and across different countries.
@@aman-qj5sx You can’t perform well on AP tests with “minimal self study,” so you’re just wrong about that. The SAT and ACT test overarching math and ELA knowledge, being completely standardized is what makes these tests important because these scores are actually meaningful when comparing people of different cultures/socioeconomic divisions. Also, the SAT can be “gamed” by anyone-you don’t have to be rich anymore to perform your best on the SAT because there are plenty of free resources available for students (such as KhanAcademy, which has officially become the Collegeboard’s SAT practice medium).
@@quackster8295 The AP exam is standardized: students who get 5s are likely better at the subject than students who get the 4s. The SAT was never a big deal for Harvard since they routinely rehect applicants with 1600s and 36s. Olympiads, dual enrollment, and lots of 5s are what you want if you want to get in on an academic basis.
I agree. Everything has become more of a lottery, which is why you see acceptance rates drop significantly, but I am not sure if they will lose prestige. I think it will just be harder for ordinary people to get in.
I think universities are still going to require submitting an ACT or SAT score since it is a good of measuring if this student is ready for the university they are applying to.
I disagree, although I do agree that tests are a good indicator. However, I really hate the way the SAT and ACT are formatted. Especially the SAT, it tries to trick you more often than testing actual intelligence. It’s just a rat race against time.
Im taking a full schedule of AP classes with additional ones on an online charter school, and I’m passing all of them with proficiency, but my SAT score is barely 50th percentile, so is the SAT really a good measure?
@@juliancamiloromeropenagos2814 first of all, "passing all of them with proficiency" seems to be around 50th percentile to me, and second of all, the SAT is a test that you are meant to study for just like any other
i hope not. the sat/act is the perfect way to prove yourself if you didn’t take high school too seriously the first couple years or you had a situation that messed w ur grades. like i have an ok (3.8 weighted) gpa but my sat is the thing gonna get me into the ivey leagues i hope not. we have to retain meritocracy.
Another good possibility for this change is to get more applications from applicants who aren’t qualified and who they aren’t actually interested in admitting. Imo they just want more money
One of the things though about this is that grades and gpa are way more biased. Teachers can be paid off, and humans are almost incapable of being unbiased. I feel like these test scores are important for people with biased or bribed or unfair teachers.
This comment makes no sense. The rich and famous already had the upper hand when it came to the SAT, even when it was required, because they were the ones that could afford tutors and prep courses. Dropping it as a requirement just places a higher emphasis on extracurriculars, achievements, and essays
I think that’s the point. It puts more pressure on the applicant’s essay and gpas. Also their letters of recommendations. They’re trying to weed out the basic smart people.
you have to be very dilusional to think that "not requiring" is equal to disregarding it as an important factor. It is simply a way for college to improve their own stats while also appearing to be "understanding" of the current circumstances
Most bigger colleges have already done this though, I think it’s going to be a permanent thing but it’s ultimately just going to end up in who can have the best looking extracurriculars
yeah and who can have the best-looking extracurriculars? Rich, privileged people who sent their kids to feeder high schools where everyone gets near a 4.0 GPA and could afford piano lessons and private soccer practices since the kid was like 8 or something lmao people gotta realize that this thing does NOT level the playing field AT ALL
Thats kinda a shame, my gpa has always suffered and I only found out i had adhd my junior year, by that point it was too late to really get anything from my gpa but i was always able to rely on showing schools my ability through the sat, it was my only good point on my resumé.
This is so they can more easily discriminate against certain high-performing groups (especially Asian applicants) in favor of other, politically-favored groups without any objective standard that everyone is measured against. Look up the lawsuit from Asian applicants against Harvard.
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harvard never really relied on the sat scores anyway, they look more at extracullicular activies and anything else they were involved in. weighted gpa and sat scores are not going to get you into harvard lol.
The ACT supposedly predicts how well you will perform in school. I scored low at 23, but still got accepted into the University I applied for. Because my score was low, I got no scholarships since all the scholarships required you to have scored above a 24. But throughout my undergrad program, I was on the Dean’s List for the majority of my program and was even a Teaching Assistant for Biology and Research Methods and Statistics where I would grade assignments and go around the class answering questions. I finished strong with a 3.7 GPA. The ACT did not predict how well I would do, and I’m sure the same could be said for the many students who may have been rejected because of low scores. These standardized tests do not show much IMO. It is better to look at grades, extracurriculars, and accomplishments. It was stupid that I couldn’t get any scholarships because my scores were too low.
@@immabee542 the average GPA for college students is 3.1. 3.7 is definitely significantly better than that by about a letter grade. I was about top 15% of my class.
@@immabee542 this all depends a 3.7 with advanced courses/AP courses is pretty damn good, as long as you're not expecting to get into an Ivey league school.
I think this is overall a good thing. Mental health and economic status, to my knowledge, tends to skew the scores even more than grades. If someone’s mental health isn’t in good condition obviously their grades might drop, but I know I can generally handle my anxiety, tests make it act up though.
The SAT actually worked as an equalizer, this is bad news for poor kids who cannot get the benefits of private schools/schools in wealthy areas, or afford/have time for the same extracurriculars as rich kids
Honestly I disagree with this outlook. It stops standardized capabilities from being tested. Without the SAT, colleges can essentially pick people based on who they like. Harvard can racially discriminate against you and get away with it. Given Harvard’s current discriminations, it’s a scary thing to consider.
@@koaruu All races essentially. White + asian basically don't get accepted. In the job market, people carry these views and tend to believe that black/hispanic people that come from ivy leagues are less qualified than other races.
But standardized test scores have been used as a tool to discriminate against Asians by holding a higher standard for asians than other ethnicities. I mean colleges are basically about your fit and if your values align with what colleges are looking for. For example Liberty University has historically sticked to its religious values and thus those who have similar interests would apply LU and LU would also accept the applicants who showcase the values it considers the most important to them
@@user-mo4yd5jz9zabsolutely not. when they are judging the scores, they may implicit a bias while they look at the score, but the score DOES NOT CHANGE. Without test scores, it means that an asian can no longer point at their 1600 SAT score and ask why a black person with a 1500 and the same exact resume got in instead of them. Colleges like Harvard are now able to discriminate based on race and bar many asians from entering due to their "lack of fit" with no rebuttal that could arise from SAT scores. People of all races don't have a standard measurement of capability, instead it is pretty much based on whatever the college likes, even if it means you are getting discriminated simply because of your religion, culture, or race. It's also important to note that colleges are definitely not completely "best fit." Applications are extremely complex, and thousands of motives including the infamous $$$ play into it.
For those watching in 2024: this is outdated. They were gonna stop asking for test scores at the time of this upload, but the most of top Ivy League schools changed their mind and require scores again
I still think the SAT is necesssary in specific circumstances because when I can't take AP classes where I'm living in India, so, this looks like a redemption.
part of me is so excited for this!! standardized testing sucks for so many people. the other part of me is very selfish and knows that i will do very well on the SAT and/or ACT because im a good test taker and therefore wants these tests to matter. but still, overall probably a good thing
Nooooo! As a foreign student without the SAT(which is a significantly easier exam compares to my Singapore's Alevels) My chances of going to ivy is astronomically low💀
I don’t know, but I think colleges should not look at all the grades and decide wether you can get in or not. Like if you wanna be a mathematician, they should look at your math scores, not something else and decide on that.
I hope by the end of my high school year a lot more schools do this I have a 4.0 GPA but I'm not the best test taker especially when I am under pressure which those tests are if I wasn't put under a quick time limit I would do so much better but that's not the case
I don't think so. I mean it's another thing to add to your resume that helps you in the admissions process especially if did well on either test. I mean if you don't have a WOW factor or have done some courageous type of work that was beneficial it's going to hurt more than help imo. Maybe someday we won’t need it but not right now.
I don’t like this tbh. I know ppl like this bc they think grades and scores don’t truly tell how smart someone is but colleges need something to gauge this. That’s rlly what decides how well you excel in higher education, the learning part. Much more than extracurriculars and how sociable you are. I worked my tail off in high school and ended up with a top 5 position in my class of 600, a 5.2 weighted GPA, and a 1490 SAT and 34 ACT score. But I wasn’t too social so I didn’t have all these extracurriculars and student government type stuff. I hate seeing people say grades don’t matter and that someone who worked much less than me but did some of those things deserves to go to a certain college much more than I do.
Yeah you know what i sayed goodbye to as well going to top schools although i had high hopes and was pretty confident i would get in being the nerd i am but my nationality and the difficulty of getting into these colleges made me realize i dont have to go to harvard to be successful i can go to any mid college
I’m very good at doing assignments, but long sufferable tests and timed things scared me. I think this is good that they aren’t basing their students off of tests scores, rather than work they had done with a larger time limit.
I'm not sure what the difficulty of thr questions on the SAT are, but the PSAT has been easy for me. I was familiar with MOST of the topics(I'm admittebly bad at writing but) most of the questions have been review from 2 or 3 years ago and the challenge for was rather remembering things from a few years ago after taking similair content. Because I'm not learning that course level stuff my grade in the psat lowered from the time I took it in 8th grade and 10th. But I guess I'm just making excuses because I easily could have studied and gotten a good grade so yeah
An assessment that actually analyzes what you are and what you're good.at trough time and what you actually like compared to what you want would be better than any test, tests are way too subjected to...well anything, your brain just can't be "projected" on a bunch of questions, someone with a 2000 against someone with a 600 score could be completely opposite to what those scores might say, a 600 might be a creative hands on person that can't do tests, and that 2000 might be just a simple memorizer.
Hopefully because honestly my college application suffered so much because of my SAT because I wasn’t able to afford a tutor and tbh my dump schools math teachers sucked. I was literally 4 years behind in math when I matriculated into college
Welp I’m fucked. The act and sat was the only way I would get into my dream college. I mean I’ve been preparing for the tests since I was 11 and I’m pretty darn good at the practice tests I’ve been doing however when it comes to writing essays I literally suck. I pick a topic and I don’t get past 2 paragraphs 😀. I was hoping my good grades and good activity choices and sat and act scores would overpower my horrible essay but nope. I’m only in the 8th grade so by the time I apply hopefully they take sat in to account again but if not then community college looking pretty nice rn
The sat isn’t about knowing english and math it is how well you can concentrate early in the morning in a fast paced poorly written test when you have other things that need to get finished and other things that you want to do
Thank god. I was pretty academic savvy, and I got a really good score but I wouldn't wish that process on anyone. I think it's good that students can focus more on doing what they love.
I honestly don't think I would have made it into a college without my SAT and ACT scores. I did poorly in high school due to my undiagnosed ADHD and had so many missing / late assignments for every class that my GPA tanked. I did well in tests, though. Got a 1540 on the SAT and a 33 on the ACT. So in that case my GPA didn't reflect what I knew, my test scores did.
I’m the opposite. I do fairly well in classes but my undiagnosed ADHD made standardized tests impossible. i have the inattentive type of ADHD so studying for tests i’m not interested in and staying focused for 4 hours was not a possibility.
I wish educational places removed testing completely! Why (asks the mathematician): It's not statistically significant. Why (asks the phychologist): It pressures people too much. Why (asks the teacher): So you don't need to correct them. Why (asks the pre-school child): So you don't have to worry about them.
That’s great, the SAT isn’t even hard it’s just about how much you prepped for specifically the SAT, it doesn’t test overall knowledge or skills reslly
That's literally not true. SAT's test for overall knowledge more than any other test given by schools. It's nearly impossible to guess the exact material in the SAT, besides the math section. If you follow the previous SAT's, you can follow a general pattern but the questions are never the same
@@thevigamerpixerlator It test you on the most basic math like algebra 1 up to geometry, the english passages are extremely basic reading and comprehension skills. For majority of smart students, they have known most of the material on the SAT since 8th grade, but because of the nature of the questions and the time given it is simply a lack of specific SAT preparation that catches them off gaurd. I do agree basic skills will get you up to somewhere like a 1300, but two students of the same skillset could differ by 200-300 score just because of SAT prep courses that show you what to expect on the exam
Bro are you serious rn, this actually got me furious I have good ass gpa, curricular and other things except for test scores and I am in 11th grade rn, so I don’t think I can go optional, really sucks
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What is mediocre in ur case
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The fact that Cambridge University is one of the best Universities in the world and you’re thinking of applying with what you think are mediocre test scores is baffling to me? Like, what do you think is mediocre?
@@miasancto to get accepted by oxbridge is far easier than an ivy league. Here in the UK all you need is 3 ALevels with 3 As and bam you are in. No need for you to have an IQ of 145, tons of extra curriculars, nation awards etc. Just get good ALevels and thats it. And it's relatively cheap as well. £9000 for each year. For 3 years.
@@hadi8699 yep
I’m really good at writing and logical thinking but struggle when it comes to tests scores and timed assignments. This is mainly due to the fact that I get nervous and tense up while doing them. I’m glad that Harvard and other colleges are dropping the SAT and looking towards students other abilities academically.
Exactly like me.
Same here with the test anxiety. I do think functioning under pressure is a necessary skill but shouldn't be forced in the way that school does.
What about me, I'm the exact opposite. I'm great at testing but I can't focus for shit on homework assignments. It seems really stupid to me. Some students are bad at homework and good at tests, and others are bad at tests and good at homework. The only way to get a full picture of both of these types of students is to use both GPA and test scores like they previously were.
I have the opposite so thankfully they left it optional
I don’t want to say the truth butttt
Who’s watching this when Harvard announced they are requiring sat scores again
Me
At least my class will be the last class where the tests are not needed so that's all that maters to me. (I'm a class of 2025 in high and will be the 2029 in collage.)
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the thing about optional things for college is that they are never actually optional. if you want to be in the competitive pool you still have to take the tests and get good scores
I have a lot of friends at my college who didn't submit their ACT scores, and they still got into the college. My school is no Harvard, but it does have a small campus population of only 1500 students.
Positive 😊
I applied for 7? I think schools. Didn’t submit one test score and got into 6/7
@@cooper197well that all depends on what schools you applied for
@@jacobhanekamp2534What school?
why was this recommended to me on april fools
Yeah no, as long as the wording is “not required” then SAT is gonna keep thriving. I’ve applied to many schools so far and if you look at the numbers and logistics of it, SAT is still a big deciding factor, and the worst you can do is to think you don’t need it anymore. The colleges are like: “we are not saying we need SAT, but we need SAT”
ikr, these people are so dilusional to think that "not requiring" is equal to disregarding it as an important factor. It is simply a way for college to improve their own stats while also appearing to be "understanding" of the current circumstances
Or just have good grades
@@CursxR0 that alone is not enough
@@CursxR0 what happens if two applicants both have good grades, the one with better test score stands out
i got into harvard without sat heheh
This is actually really good to know. I’m a good student and get good grades, I’m in 8th grade and teachers are starting to have us look at colleges (no pressure right). I have secure test anxiety and rally struggle, so hopefully I won’t have to worry about the test people normally freak out about
You will have to take the test though
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Same, I’m in many different advanced classes and electives. It’s so nerve wracking to see your grades. It’s a double edged sword to get good grades.
@@shadowcyclonexx2.097 You don’t have to. It costs money is pointless for many reasons, especially if you aren’t going to college.
Test anxiety, my ass. As if you don't take any tests in school.
They just reinstated it yall. He made a video abt it
This hurts regular students the most. Affluent students have an easier time getting extra-curricular activities than middle class or poor students. A standardized test levels the playing field some. Anyone that maxes out the SAT or ACT is very intelligent. Not everyone who does equestrian or spent time doing mission trips is the best candidate (nothing wrong with those things, but only some people have the resources to do them).
Exactly. GPAs are inflated at private feeder schools for the rich, and honors and awards can be paid for. Yes, there are expensive resources for the SAT as well, but I mean Khan Academy is free. It's not nearly as hard for a regular student to do well on a standardized test if they're just smart about how they prepare for it.
@@justaguyyknow8730 yeah it can make up for some grades if the gpa is at like a 3.75 or something
Literally
You’re joking right? Sat tests are not fair at all. You have to have money to afford SAT prep, afford retests, and afford pre sat tests. When it comes to showing personality, writing, and just putting some extra effort or time in school that is more leveled than the SATS.
Yes, but at the same time standardized tests don't show all that much. They show effort, sure, but they aren't true guages of student's performance. If that student can save the time they would have spent studying for the SAT on something actually productive, there's a much better result. If you are truly unable to join extracurriculars, that's something you should write about in your essays. Explain why you tried but could not, and what you did instead. Colleges care about what you did in spite of your difficulty.
There is pretty much no world where you will get in solely from your SAT score. In some cases it can be a helpful standout (e.g., low gpa due to having to work a job to support your family: 1550+ SAT score would help show you're a talented student). Those are still available, but for a lot of students, there will be a lot of time spent on the SAT which is frankly quite useless time spent IMO. In some cases it doesn't really improve your application all that much, or in some cases hurts it (I was way ahead of SAT-level in math yet got many questions wrong from small mistakes).
But at the end your gpa still matters and your extra activities along with your essays. Also I’m thinking of applying to BITS Pilani, cause the college is MIT paired and is also entered by BITSAT., cause international education is kinda expensive without scholarship, and I suck at advance physics and chemistry for JEE qualifications.
BITS Pilani is premium. A lot of my friends are in BITS. All 3 branches of BITS are amazing but the Pilani campus has an edge. All the best :))
As if bits pilani is not expensive!? Bruh , BITS fees is comparable to international colleges.
@@dhirensidhwani3473 true, BITS, symbiosis etc v v pricey
@@dhirensidhwani3473 Yes but we have scholarships and Birla students can get it a bit easier. It can come down to 18-19lakhs
@@jiniaroy4126 yes but I’m aiming for goa cause i heard the goa one is best for cs
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The stuff you learn in highschool doesn't help you with your degree!!!
There, I said it! These Standardized Tests are the single handedly WORST way to assess a kid.
@@mujtabaalam5907thats like saying sports are bad because disabled peolle cant do them
@@jacobhanekamp2534not necessarily true it depends on what degree you want. Also english is going to help no matter what and you learn that in highschool
@@jacobhanekamp2534thats just not true. the SAT assesses the essential skills necessary for college. you cant get a degree in math if you cant solve the problems on the sat, and you cant get a degree in english if you cant write an essay for the sat
This is unfair to the people who spent time studying for the SAT and got high scores instead of doing other things.
Those ppl can still submit their test scores which will definitely help their chance of admission
It's just not required , you can still send it in
Just because you get a high grade doesn’t mean you’re smart many things can factor this for example one person might be good at logical thinking another at being creative and another at focusing and achieving tasks just because you’re good at history doesn’t mean shit to company’s in the 21st century it just means you’re willing to focus on one thing while someone who might score less might be good at focusing on multiple things. As a business man myself if I had to hire one of the two it would definitely be the guy who scored less on his exams because that shows me he not one minded and can have an opinion on his decisions
@@Yuppa.69 found the guy that didn't do well on the sat
@@short-eu7bs I’m not from the US so I never had to do one. My point is that Grades define how much a person studies/prepares for a test, it doesn’t determine intelligence. I did 4 years mechanical engineering plus 1 extra PLC year so my grades where up there. But today I’m not even a mechanical engineer I’m a real estate investor/ entrepreneur I noticed growing up I had a gift of being creative which today that gift has made me millions. So what I’m trying to say is grades didn’t make me successful my courage and determination to succeed made me successful when I hire someone I don’t even look at their school score card because it doesn’t show how smart they are.I test them on how creative and independent they can work. There’s difference between being book smart and just being smart in general you should learn to not be one minded because the future of companies don’t want it.
If there’s no SAT/ACT then there’s no standardized way to compare students. At this point it just becomes random, like a lottery. Even GPA is not a good way to compare students because different schools have different GPA weights and different difficulty/offerings of classes. The SAT is definitely not over, this is just Harvard’s way of trying to get more money from test optional applicants every year. Harvard’s prestige is going to decline significantly over the next 20 years, while MIT’s prestige will only increase.
@@aman-qj5sx Wtf are you talking about? A Levels and APs are not offered in every schools equally. Some high schools offer 3 AP classes while others offer 18. Some AP teachers give every student an A while for others a B is considered a great grade. Also, olympiads?? Are you actually braindead? These are not standardized. I am talking about standardized testing. Olympiads are an extracurricular achievement. These accomplishments mean different things across the country and across different countries.
@@aman-qj5sx You can’t perform well on AP tests with “minimal self study,” so you’re just wrong about that. The SAT and ACT test overarching math and ELA knowledge, being completely standardized is what makes these tests important because these scores are actually meaningful when comparing people of different cultures/socioeconomic divisions. Also, the SAT can be “gamed” by anyone-you don’t have to be rich anymore to perform your best on the SAT because there are plenty of free resources available for students (such as KhanAcademy, which has officially become the Collegeboard’s SAT practice medium).
@@quackster8295 The AP exam is standardized: students who get 5s are likely better at the subject than students who get the 4s. The SAT was never a big deal for Harvard since they routinely rehect applicants with 1600s and 36s. Olympiads, dual enrollment, and lots of 5s are what you want if you want to get in on an academic basis.
I agree. Everything has become more of a lottery, which is why you see acceptance rates drop significantly, but I am not sure if they will lose prestige. I think it will just be harder for ordinary people to get in.
@@quackster8295 you know your classes and gpa are looked at compared to your district righ?
And I’m seeing this after just taking the SAT earlier today 😂
well now it’s back
I think universities are still going to require submitting an ACT or SAT score since it is a good of measuring if this student is ready for the university they are applying to.
I disagree, although I do agree that tests are a good indicator. However, I really hate the way the SAT and ACT are formatted. Especially the SAT, it tries to trick you more often than testing actual intelligence. It’s just a rat race against time.
Im taking a full schedule of AP classes with additional ones on an online charter school, and I’m passing all of them with proficiency, but my SAT score is barely 50th percentile, so is the SAT really a good measure?
@@juliancamiloromeropenagos2814 first of all, "passing all of them with proficiency" seems to be around 50th percentile to me, and second of all, the SAT is a test that you are meant to study for just like any other
@@juliancamiloromeropenagos2814 define proficiency like what grade are you getting
@Prasanna Raj proficiency is A-
Thanks for uploading this on the day I finally got a good score bruh
Today, they started requiring sat again 👍😂
i hope not. the sat/act is the perfect way to prove yourself if you didn’t take high school too seriously the first couple years or you had a situation that messed w ur grades. like i have an ok (3.8 weighted) gpa but my sat is the thing gonna get me into the ivey leagues i hope not. we have to retain meritocracy.
I have a 3.8 weighted too! Although I've got nothing else going for me so I'm still going to take the SAT and ACT
Another good possibility for this change is to get more applications from applicants who aren’t qualified and who they aren’t actually interested in admitting. Imo they just want more money
One of the things though about this is that grades and gpa are way more biased. Teachers can be paid off, and humans are almost incapable of being unbiased. I feel like these test scores are important for people with biased or bribed or unfair teachers.
This don’t age well 😭
Wait what happened
@@runner243SAT is now required
@@runner243they bought back the SAT as a requirement
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Thankfully
This is interesting thank you for making content!
Thank goodness. Goodbye SAT that I wasn’t planning on taking anyway!
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“Best and brightest”, yeah, it’s more likely that they’ll pick out the rich and famous
This comment makes no sense. The rich and famous already had the upper hand when it came to the SAT, even when it was required, because they were the ones that could afford tutors and prep courses. Dropping it as a requirement just places a higher emphasis on extracurriculars, achievements, and essays
@@vickyle4518 But thé richer you are the more extracurriculars you can do as well
i mean rich and famous people most of the time will always have a advantage
Bruh. I've been studying for the SAT and taking private lessons for around 6 months. What a nice discovery..
But in a way wouldn’t it be harder to stand out?
I think that’s the point. It puts more pressure on the applicant’s essay and gpas. Also their letters of recommendations. They’re trying to weed out the basic smart people.
you have to be very dilusional to think that "not requiring" is equal to disregarding it as an important factor. It is simply a way for college to improve their own stats while also appearing to be "understanding" of the current circumstances
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Most bigger colleges have already done this though, I think it’s going to be a permanent thing but it’s ultimately just going to end up in who can have the best looking extracurriculars
yeah and who can have the best-looking extracurriculars? Rich, privileged people who sent their kids to feeder high schools where everyone gets near a 4.0 GPA and could afford piano lessons and private soccer practices since the kid was like 8 or something lmao
people gotta realize that this thing does NOT level the playing field AT ALL
Thats kinda a shame, my gpa has always suffered and I only found out i had adhd my junior year, by that point it was too late to really get anything from my gpa but i was always able to rely on showing schools my ability through the sat, it was my only good point on my resumé.
are we the same person?
This is so they can more easily discriminate against certain high-performing groups (especially Asian applicants) in favor of other, politically-favored groups without any objective standard that everyone is measured against. Look up the lawsuit from Asian applicants against Harvard.
well this aged well
(for those who dont know, harvard is now renouncing this policy and is requiring scores again)
i hope so. paying hundreds for tests multiple times over just to get into a college i’ll have to pay more for feels wrong
High schools typically let each students take it for free their junior year. If you don’t want to pay for it, do well the first time.
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This is amazing! I'm a freshman in highschool, so I feel really lucky right now!
Unless you’re applying to Harvard, don’t count your luck yet
Ditto what the last guy said, don’t put all your eggs in one basket.
This aged horribly
This is scaring the hell out of me. I literally have zero talents beside my test scores, what the hell am I supposed to do man
I have a friend who sucks at school but is still very smart. He is absolutely saved.
Dude being a wise person doesn't solve the quadratic.
MY INNER CHILD GOT SO HAPPY WHEN U SAID THE END OF SAT IS NEAR.... IF THIS FROZEN SYSTEM OF EDUCATION THAT ONLY FAVOURS THE ONES WITH HIGH SCORES ON TESTS IS ENDING THEN IM SO HAPPY FOR THE FUTURE GENERATIONS! FINALLY A NEW MENTALLYY STABLE GEN WITH ACTUAL IDEAS AND PLANS!!!! IM SO HAPPY FOR THEM♥
harvard never really relied on the sat scores anyway, they look more at extracullicular activies and anything else they were involved in. weighted gpa and sat scores are not going to get you into harvard lol.
I'm happy too! Although, the SAT isn't going to disappear right away. I'm still taking it in case.
2 years later and its back, looks like the end is anything but near
The ACT supposedly predicts how well you will perform in school. I scored low at 23, but still got accepted into the University I applied for. Because my score was low, I got no scholarships since all the scholarships required you to have scored above a 24. But throughout my undergrad program, I was on the Dean’s List for the majority of my program and was even a Teaching Assistant for Biology and Research Methods and Statistics where I would grade assignments and go around the class answering questions. I finished strong with a 3.7 GPA.
The ACT did not predict how well I would do, and I’m sure the same could be said for the many students who may have been rejected because of low scores. These standardized tests do not show much IMO. It is better to look at grades, extracurriculars, and accomplishments. It was stupid that I couldn’t get any scholarships because my scores were too low.
sorry to tell you bud but with grade inflation and all 3.7 GPA is not THAT spectacular
@@immabee542 the average GPA for college students is 3.1. 3.7 is definitely significantly better than that by about a letter grade. I was about top 15% of my class.
@@immabee542 this all depends a 3.7 with advanced courses/AP courses is pretty damn good, as long as you're not expecting to get into an Ivey league school.
i, as an 8th grader just took the pre-sat and pre-act. i would actually cry in happiness if the act and sat went away
I think this is overall a good thing. Mental health and economic status, to my knowledge, tends to skew the scores even more than grades. If someone’s mental health isn’t in good condition obviously their grades might drop, but I know I can generally handle my anxiety, tests make it act up though.
The SAT actually worked as an equalizer, this is bad news for poor kids who cannot get the benefits of private schools/schools in wealthy areas, or afford/have time for the same extracurriculars as rich kids
The end of the sat is near but my ass still has to take it and use it to get accepted
Me who’s in 2026 😭😭
You should be an artist because you draw so neatly
Do people who graduate high school in 2026 need to submit SAT/ACT scores?
Not for harvard
I hope not
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@@clouds645 no thank you
Memorizing glazers of the the school system when they are required to be smart to do a test that tests their ability to think: 😭😭😭😭
I'm honestly pissed. The SAT is a chance for a lot of people to show they are capable and smart when their grades went bad for other reasons.
this is turning around recently, schools are starting to move towards testing again from the tours I've been on
such good news! wish all the other elite schools do the same!
This is a change I love to see. Hopefully other colleges and then high schools follow suit
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Oh boy did they roll this back
Honestly I disagree with this outlook. It stops standardized capabilities from being tested.
Without the SAT, colleges can essentially pick people based on who they like. Harvard can racially discriminate against you and get away with it. Given Harvard’s current discriminations, it’s a scary thing to consider.
This is an excellent point I didn’t even think about. You’re totally right
Do they discriminate against black people?
@@koaruu All races essentially.
White + asian basically don't get accepted.
In the job market, people carry these views and tend to believe that black/hispanic people that come from ivy leagues are less qualified than other races.
But standardized test scores have been used as a tool to discriminate against Asians by holding a higher standard for asians than other ethnicities. I mean colleges are basically about your fit and if your values align with what colleges are looking for. For example Liberty University has historically sticked to its religious values and thus those who have similar interests would apply LU and LU would also accept the applicants who showcase the values it considers the most important to them
@@user-mo4yd5jz9zabsolutely not. when they are judging the scores, they may implicit a bias while they look at the score, but the score DOES NOT CHANGE.
Without test scores, it means that an asian can no longer point at their 1600 SAT score and ask why a black person with a 1500 and the same exact resume got in instead of them.
Colleges like Harvard are now able to discriminate based on race and bar many asians from entering due to their "lack of fit" with no rebuttal that could arise from SAT scores.
People of all races don't have a standard measurement of capability, instead it is pretty much based on whatever the college likes, even if it means you are getting discriminated simply because of your religion, culture, or race.
It's also important to note that colleges are definitely not completely "best fit." Applications are extremely complex, and thousands of motives including the infamous $$$ play into it.
For those watching in 2024: this is outdated. They were gonna stop asking for test scores at the time of this upload, but the most of top Ivy League schools changed their mind and require scores again
It’s almost like they want an excuse to reject certain candidates…
I still think the SAT is necesssary in specific circumstances because when I can't take AP classes where I'm living in India, so, this looks like a redemption.
part of me is so excited for this!! standardized testing sucks for so many people. the other part of me is very selfish and knows that i will do very well on the SAT and/or ACT because im a good test taker and therefore wants these tests to matter. but still, overall probably a good thing
Hearing about this stressful ivy league schools makes me so glad I went to a public university nearby.
Incase anyone was wondering-
The question he was solving at the end was x+y = 5, x-y = 3, thus what is x²-y²?
=> x²-y² = ( x + y )(x-y)
= (3)(5)
= 15.
Nooooo! As a foreign student without the SAT(which is a significantly easier exam compares to my Singapore's Alevels)
My chances of going to ivy is astronomically low💀
I don’t know, but I think colleges should not look at all the grades and decide wether you can get in or not. Like if you wanna be a mathematician, they should look at your math scores, not something else and decide on that.
I hope by the end of my high school year a lot more schools do this I have a 4.0 GPA but I'm not the best test taker especially when I am under pressure which those tests are if I wasn't put under a quick time limit I would do so much better but that's not the case
I don't think so. I mean it's another thing to add to your resume that helps you in the admissions process especially if did well on either test. I mean if you don't have a WOW factor or have done some courageous type of work that was beneficial it's going to hurt more than help imo. Maybe someday we won’t need it but not right now.
I don’t like this tbh. I know ppl like this bc they think grades and scores don’t truly tell how smart someone is but colleges need something to gauge this. That’s rlly what decides how well you excel in higher education, the learning part. Much more than extracurriculars and how sociable you are. I worked my tail off in high school and ended up with a top 5 position in my class of 600, a 5.2 weighted GPA, and a 1490 SAT and 34 ACT score. But I wasn’t too social so I didn’t have all these extracurriculars and student government type stuff. I hate seeing people say grades don’t matter and that someone who worked much less than me but did some of those things deserves to go to a certain college much more than I do.
In Australia we have the ATAR but we have other schemes for sports and rural living and Diploma entry programs
Yeah you know what i sayed goodbye to as well going to top schools although i had high hopes and was pretty confident i would get in being the nerd i am but my nationality and the difficulty of getting into these colleges made me realize i dont have to go to harvard to be successful i can go to any mid college
I’m very good at doing assignments, but long sufferable tests and timed things scared me. I think this is good that they aren’t basing their students off of tests scores, rather than work they had done with a larger time limit.
Thanks Harvard hopefully my future college Berkley does the same.
I'm not sure what the difficulty of thr questions on the SAT are, but the PSAT has been easy for me. I was familiar with MOST of the topics(I'm admittebly bad at writing but) most of the questions have been review from 2 or 3 years ago and the challenge for was rather remembering things from a few years ago after taking similair content. Because I'm not learning that course level stuff my grade in the psat lowered from the time I took it in 8th grade and 10th.
But I guess I'm just making excuses because I easily could have studied and gotten a good grade so yeah
I hope the SAT ends I get horrible test anxiety. And I just got into high school too.
An assessment that actually analyzes what you are and what you're good.at trough time and what you actually like compared to what you want would be better than any test, tests are way too subjected to...well anything, your brain just can't be "projected" on a bunch of questions, someone with a 2000 against someone with a 600 score could be completely opposite to what those scores might say, a 600 might be a creative hands on person that can't do tests, and that 2000 might be just a simple memorizer.
“for the next four years” i’m 14 and i’m going to go cry for a minute
Dude I'm only good at tests, brain doesn't work in real situations
That's what Harvard's about... science... problem solving... test taking. Einstein was divorced and guess what, NO ONE CARES.
I'm the absolute polar opposite. I can get every single question right when preparing for an exam, but then only barely pass with like a D
Hopefully because honestly my college application suffered so much because of my SAT because I wasn’t able to afford a tutor and tbh my dump schools math teachers sucked. I was literally 4 years behind in math when I matriculated into college
Welp I’m fucked. The act and sat was the only way I would get into my dream college. I mean I’ve been preparing for the tests since I was 11 and I’m pretty darn good at the practice tests I’ve been doing however when it comes to writing essays I literally suck. I pick a topic and I don’t get past 2 paragraphs 😀. I was hoping my good grades and good activity choices and sat and act scores would overpower my horrible essay but nope. I’m only in the 8th grade so by the time I apply hopefully they take sat in to account again but if not then community college looking pretty nice rn
In Australia I was legit a test subject for removing the atar which is basically a score you get at the end of high school
The sat isn’t about knowing english and math it is how well you can concentrate early in the morning in a fast paced poorly written test when you have other things that need to get finished and other things that you want to do
You’re right it’s about complicated questions that makes little to no sense, especially when you’ve missed Algebra 1 because of Covid 😑.
running to Harvard because my tests scores were so bad but I learned everything way better after the lessons were done
My results come back today from the dec 4th test, makes me a lot less stressed 😁
Cool. I didn’t have to take SAT because I was a senior and the day I was supposed to take it was when lockdown had just started. 👍🏽😩
Thank god. I was pretty academic savvy, and I got a really good score but I wouldn't wish that process on anyone. I think it's good that students can focus more on doing what they love.
I honestly don't think I would have made it into a college without my SAT and ACT scores. I did poorly in high school due to my undiagnosed ADHD and had so many missing / late assignments for every class that my GPA tanked. I did well in tests, though. Got a 1540 on the SAT and a 33 on the ACT. So in that case my GPA didn't reflect what I knew, my test scores did.
I’m the opposite. I do fairly well in classes but my undiagnosed ADHD made standardized tests impossible. i have the inattentive type of ADHD so studying for tests i’m not interested in and staying focused for 4 hours was not a possibility.
I think they should've brought the end sooner. Got a test today, wish me luck
Hopefully it is, watching others struggle on them knowing it depends on there future sucks 😞
OMG, in the UK, we don’t even do that anymore apart from the year six
I wish educational places removed testing completely!
Why (asks the mathematician): It's not statistically significant.
Why (asks the phychologist): It pressures people too much.
Why (asks the teacher): So you don't need to correct them.
Why (asks the pre-school child): So you don't have to worry about them.
WERE APPLYING TO HARVARD WITH THIS ONE 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
Oh boy oh boy, I’m coming for you Harvard
I need this kinda energy and confidence.
Waiting for the day when JEE and NEET will be banned in India. SAT is much easier than those exams.
I hope they dont kill it!!
That’s great, the SAT isn’t even hard it’s just about how much you prepped for specifically the SAT, it doesn’t test overall knowledge or skills reslly
That's literally not true. SAT's test for overall knowledge more than any other test given by schools. It's nearly impossible to guess the exact material in the SAT, besides the math section. If you follow the previous SAT's, you can follow a general pattern but the questions are never the same
@@thevigamerpixerlator It test you on the most basic math like algebra 1 up to geometry, the english passages are extremely basic reading and comprehension skills. For majority of smart students, they have known most of the material on the SAT since 8th grade, but because of the nature of the questions and the time given it is simply a lack of specific SAT preparation that catches them off gaurd. I do agree basic skills will get you up to somewhere like a 1300, but two students of the same skillset could differ by 200-300 score just because of SAT prep courses that show you what to expect on the exam
Bro are you serious rn, this actually got me furious I have good ass gpa, curricular and other things except for test scores and I am in 11th grade rn, so I don’t think I can go optional, really sucks
Not to burst everyone’s “I don’t do well in tests” bubble, but if you can’t do well in the SATs… Harvard PROBABLY (keyword) isn’t for you.
the entire batch of 2026:
WELP TIME FOR A GAP YEAR
i’m class of ‘27 so i’m pretty happy
Thank god. At least I won’t even have to do the sat by the time I get to college
Man I'm gonna go college in 2023 or 24 and I got happy for a few secs