I’m still fawning at how beautiful your new sash is! Even more so when compared side to side with your old one, this sprang one is in an entirely different league!
@@chringlanthegreat4556 Well, there is the story of an old lady in Texas who when asked about the secret of her longevity replied "My granddaddy was an old gunfighter and lawman, and he told me the way to stay healthy was to take a teaspoon of gunpowder with every meal. I'm 100 years old now and it certainly worked!" Well, time goes on and she eventually passed away, and left a 50 foot crater in the ground at the crematorium!
@@ChristheRedcoat I just remembered a myth made up by a popular historical novel of the 50s. That Chilean soldiers in the War of the Pacific (1879-1884) would use alcohol mixed up with black gunpowder to turn them into a killing spree madmen and get high spirits before a bayonet charge. Some people got really sick trying to drink the "Chupilca del diablo". Worthy to say that this beverage is plain silly with no historical proof
Worsted cloth was made for years in a Norfolk village of Worstead. None made there, commercially, now. A nice looking Village with a massive Church, had two in its heyday. Tended to be prone to the Bubonic plague, so never extended but went in to decline. Not too far from Paston where the letters came from.
You know, I'm still trying to figure that out myself. I had a particular method to tying the old sash but with the new one I have to "re-learn" how to do it.
Many thanks for a clear and well-researched description of the correct colour and construction of sashes, Chris. I had not heard of 'sprang' before - it is a fascinating weaving technique. Kind regards from England, sir.
Thank you for sharing the link for having a sash made. When I became a Serjeant, I used my unit's sash, which was sewn tape, like your old one: When I left the unit, I searched online, but could inly find one source for sashes: It turns out that all they do, is weave a scarlet sash, and print a stripe of the facing color down the middle. Even WORSE than the stitched worsted tape!
On the topic of sergeants- so much talk among fans of the era of meritorious sergeants jumping to officer (which was a real phenomenon and not extremely uncommon), yet little to no thought, in my experience, is given to that one meritorious sergeant per regiment who was divinely ordained to the ultimate rank... I mean, appointment, that even officers stood in awe and reverence of.
Hi Chris. Thank you for that - a minor detail for a layman but still an important part of the whole impression. As an aside check out 'Stable Belt'. Stay safe and best wishes. Nigel.
Well, Chris, my own sash (from a couple of years ago) is of a Sprang weave, but it is shiny in a way that I cannot make out whether it is made of silk [as it was supposed to] or a modern synthetic nonsense without butning a bit. Mind this is 17th century 'civillian' sort of sash (for schutterijen (volunteer city guards under commans of the local Schout (Essentially the captain of the guard/city's main "police" officer)). I think however, I'll get myself a couple yards of Bordeux and Orange silk, make two sashes out of that instead.
Chris, forty years service under the recently passed Her Majesty (may God bless her soul), albeit, that service undertaken in the far-distant Southern hemisphere and 'colony' of Australia (when I wasn't doing the sovereign's work overseas), I have absolutely loved discovering your videos. Stick with your guns young man; I revel in how you have dispelled so much rubbish and film nonsense with your videos, along the way destroying so much of the fiction Hollywood has presented as 'fact'. As I got older and field work was no longer possible, I became a research analyst for Members of Parliament along the way and 'facts' are something they insist upon. I'm retiring 28 April and as an avid wargamer, a project I have awaiting me is assembling my 1776 collection of 28mm American War of Independence plastic toy soldiers. I assure you, my Good Man, that their tricornes shall be glued to their heads in the correct orientation!
In Canada now, Senior NCIs are a solid colour regardless of. Regiment; red serve worsted for Sgts and maroon worsted for WOs. Rifle reginents, I am not sure about as we have none in the regular line regiments.
@@ChristheRedcoat quite a bit of 54th kit out on display, not sure how many more things they might have in their collection as I went on a random monday when only a couple of staff were about. Would recommend Dorset as a place to visit. The tank museum, Jurassic coast, Portland island and the lulworth estate are fantastic things to see
Nicely done video. Just a question regarding purple facing regiments such as the 56th Regiment. I remember in a book going over Infantry and Cavalry uniforms of the Napoleonic era that it was stated that the use of the white stripped NCO sashes also applied to regiments such as the 56th. Was it the same case in the American Revolution or was this change done later on (Similar to the phasing in of pure crimson NCO sashes for Foot Guards NCO near the end of the Napoleonic Wars)? I'd figured its likely be due to the cost of the threads being extremely high for a sash that needed miles of thread to be woven, compared to a small sheet of dyed wool to use in the facings (Which in of itself likely was expensive too).
I’m unsure about the 56th. I think I’ve read that same book, so I think it’s likely that it could have applied, but also IIRC the exact shade of that regiment’s facings changed at least once, so I think it would depend on when exactly that change came into effect, which I don’t know.
@@ChristheRedcoat I see, The book I've seen the statement being made was "British Napoleonic Uniforms" from C.E.Franklin, when seems to be acclaimed for it's accurate information, so idk. Thanks for the response.
I was thinking of his book on the uniforms of the Seven Years War and the American War of Independence. Actually, pretty sure in that book he says red-faced regiments wore a plain red sash, so it’s good to know he corrected himself for the Napoleonic book.
Chris I've been looking for your video "Identifying Rank In The British Army" as you've mentioned it in a couple of videos but can't find it anywhere and it's not in your RUclips list!... Can you provide a link please?
Dang, sprang is sexy! I love my sergeant's sash (Carol made mine, too). Do you wear yours double wrapped, or single wrapped? Mine is only long enough for a single wrap, but I know opinions are divided. I am pretty sure the Guards and Royal Artillery Regiment serjeants get red silk sashes without the facing stripe. Look at them, putting on airs thinking they are better than us Regiment of Foot serjeants (says someone from a recreated royal regiment)!
They're absolutely meant to only be single-wrapped. Not sure who'd be of other opinion with any sort of evidence. It's pretty clear in the period art, plus the extant ones are this length - with the possible exception of a sash with highland provenance, if I recall correctly.
Im trying to find the video that you refer to in the video. I can only find one on how to identify rank in the french army. Would be cool to see the one about british army.
I actually took that video down. There was some incorrect information in it which I wasn't happy with. Hoping to make an updated version sometime this year.
You named the color green that your facings are. Im not sure if I heard it correctly. Did you call it papa jay green? If not could you give me the correct name please. I am building a 28mm AWI army for wargaming. Im currently building a force representing the 3rd Regiment of Foot (the Buffs). But after seeing your uniform Im really liking that green. Any help with this color would be appreciated. Thankyou. And keep up the great work your videos are always informative.
Do not view “ Outlander” version of 1740s Crown regimentals, you may develope a severe facial tic Then theres th matter of Jacobite clans men sporting high fancy boots and riding big fully equipped cavalry horses
Yup and I do wonder how many normal people in the 18th century could afford having friesian horses and spanish horses ( PRE). But I guess the filmmakers thought it looking silly with full grown men riding highland ponies and the like. I could buy Jamie Fraser ( being a laird) and officers riding large really good horses, but not others. And still what was considered a large military horse those days is not really a modern friesian horse sizewise.
So I have a question, we are thinking of going with green as we are a Loyalist Rgt here in NS. Would the Sgt sash be green with the centre being of the Rgt facing? Thank you
I got an unrelated Question to the video and more to re-enactment in general to which I didnt find an answer to yet: If in an event you "die" and than just lay there, what happens next? How long do you have to stay there and do you at some point when no one watches just stand up and leave?
Brandon F made a video on this topic a while back, although I can't remember if your exact question was covered in it. Ultimately, it's up to you - typically people hold off on taking their hits until towards the end of the battle, so they're not lying there that long, and usually at the end there's a command given of "the dead may rise." However, there's nothing saying that if you take a hit, you have to "die." You could just decide to be walking wounded.
as far as I remember that video had a question about how to know if one actually was hit not on what happens when one goes down. So when you get hit and "die" you just lie there for a long time (given you die at quite early)?
@@ChristheRedcoat well for my British Loyalist impression, I’m just a private… Lol… but I do portray a militia Capt. With another group… need to do some research… but going to check out the website… Thanks…
@@TrueOpinion99 Hey, as the saying goes "That's what makes a horse race." You don't like him, don't watch him. There's plenty of RUclips channels I don't bother with myself, for various reasons.
@@TrueOpinion99 Hey, I ran into one RUclips history channel where the presenter was so stuck-up and pompous I wanted to punch my computer screen, but then I'd have hurt myself and would have had to buy an new 'puter as well! So I avoid that one! Peresonally I find young Mr. Branson's enthusiam very infectious, kind of gives me hope for the future of the history game.
Ive heard some story (on the Muzzleloading forum) that some of those had pockets sewn in for money? is that true or was it just some officers adding it themselves?
I think I asked this in an older video, but I'll try here: What's the differentiation between Serjeant and Serjeant Major at this time in rank insignia, if any?
Serjeant Major gets a fancier breastplate/buckle on their bayonet belt. Serjeants have simple silver plates with the regimental number, while Serjeant Majors have the regimental seal on a silver plate.
I’m still fawning at how beautiful your new sash is! Even more so when compared side to side with your old one, this sprang one is in an entirely different league!
It really is of a completely different caliber.
Sprang is my favorite season in Tennessee
Last time I was this early gunpowder was still a medicine for eternal life
Wait, you mean it’s not?
@@ChristheRedcoat common mistake, while it does not give eternal life, but it does give you a few years for ever time you take it
@@chringlanthegreat4556 Well, there is the story of an old lady in Texas who when asked about the secret of her longevity replied "My granddaddy was an old gunfighter and lawman, and he told me the way to stay healthy was to take a teaspoon of gunpowder with every meal. I'm 100 years old now and it certainly worked!"
Well, time goes on and she eventually passed away, and left a 50 foot crater in the ground at the crematorium!
Have you ever had Artilleryman's Punch?
@@ChristheRedcoat I just remembered a myth made up by a popular historical novel of the 50s. That Chilean soldiers in the War of the Pacific (1879-1884) would use alcohol mixed up with black gunpowder to turn them into a killing spree madmen and get high spirits before a bayonet charge. Some people got really sick trying to drink the "Chupilca del diablo". Worthy to say that this beverage is plain silly with no historical proof
Never disappoint with his vids
So from what you were saying at the very start of the video the microphone made it's very own declaration of independence.
Treason, I say!
Thanks for going through the trouble of re-recording, must've been a pain, but it is appreciated!
I swear this YT thing would be a lot easier if I didn’t have standards. 😆
Worsted cloth was made for years in a Norfolk village of Worstead. None made there, commercially, now. A nice looking Village with a massive Church, had two in its heyday. Tended to be prone to the Bubonic plague, so never extended but went in to decline. Not too far from Paston where the letters came from.
Always impressed, you can make a topic I wouldn't think interesting otherwise, and then make me stay for more!
amazing content as always! I’m secretly hoping you’ll make a video on the knots used in tying the sashes, they always give me trouble in my drawings
You know, I'm still trying to figure that out myself. I had a particular method to tying the old sash but with the new one I have to "re-learn" how to do it.
@@ChristheRedcoat ah so the knots remain shrouded in mystery... to be honest I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a lot of variety back in the day
Great video as always and He's got me over here saying God save the King after every video.
Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.
"God Save the King" is now the correct thing to say.
God Bless Queen Elizabeth.✝️
Many thanks for a clear and well-researched description of the correct colour and construction of sashes, Chris. I had not heard of 'sprang' before - it is a fascinating weaving technique. Kind regards from England, sir.
Thank you for sharing the link for having a sash made. When I became a Serjeant, I used my unit's sash, which was sewn tape, like your old one: When I left the unit, I searched online, but could inly find one source for sashes: It turns out that all they do, is weave a scarlet sash, and print a stripe of the facing color down the middle. Even WORSE than the stitched worsted tape!
On the topic of sergeants- so much talk among fans of the era of meritorious sergeants jumping to officer (which was a real phenomenon and not extremely uncommon), yet little to no thought, in my experience, is given to that one meritorious sergeant per regiment who was divinely ordained to the ultimate rank... I mean, appointment, that even officers stood in awe and reverence of.
That sash looks amazing Chris! Keep the history coming!
I thought the title said slashes for a second and assumed you were going to show of your skills with a blade
Microphone not recording audio...? May I offer you a chocolate teapot to go alongside that mayhaps?
That sounds delicious, at least. Messy, but delicious.
@@ChristheRedcoat Well, as long as you don't get your uniform mucky, I'm sure it'll be fine!
That’s why we have work shirts, is it not?
i heard the One-legged man was taking the chocolate teapot to the Arse-kicking Party :)
Hi Chris. Thank you for that - a minor detail for a layman but still an important part of the whole impression. As an aside check out 'Stable Belt'. Stay safe and best wishes. Nigel.
You could say that sash is very sprangy.
Indeed.
That is one beautifully done sash! Thank you for sharing!
Excellent. Very good information
Well, Chris, my own sash (from a couple of years ago) is of a Sprang weave, but it is shiny in a way that I cannot make out whether it is made of silk [as it was supposed to] or a modern synthetic nonsense without butning a bit.
Mind this is 17th century 'civillian' sort of sash (for schutterijen (volunteer city guards under commans of the local Schout (Essentially the captain of the guard/city's main "police" officer)).
I think however, I'll get myself a couple yards of Bordeux and Orange silk, make two sashes out of that instead.
Always nice stuff, Chris! Thanks for sharing.
Thats awesome. Amazing the things you learn.
I have one of Carol's sashes for my 1812 sergeant's uniform. She does amazing work.
"That's the power of S-P-R-A-N-G !!!"
The Legionnaires (French Foreign Legion) wear a belly sash on their summer and winter parade uniforms and call it a sash, not a cummerbund.
A cummerbund is a form of sash, technically speaking, but not all sashes are cummerbunds.
Chris, forty years service under the recently passed Her Majesty (may God bless her soul), albeit, that service undertaken in the far-distant Southern hemisphere and 'colony' of Australia (when I wasn't doing the sovereign's work overseas), I have absolutely loved discovering your videos. Stick with your guns young man; I revel in how you have dispelled so much rubbish and film nonsense with your videos, along the way destroying so much of the fiction Hollywood has presented as 'fact'. As I got older and field work was no longer possible, I became a research analyst for Members of Parliament along the way and 'facts' are something they insist upon. I'm retiring 28 April and as an avid wargamer, a project I have awaiting me is assembling my 1776 collection of 28mm American War of Independence plastic toy soldiers. I assure you, my Good Man, that their tricornes shall be glued to their heads in the correct orientation!
Thank you!
The cumberbund is the sash what clip on bow tie is to an actual now tie.
In Canada now, Senior NCIs are a solid colour regardless of. Regiment; red serve worsted for Sgts and maroon worsted for WOs. Rifle reginents, I am not sure about as we have none in the regular line regiments.
There are some brilliant examples of uniforms from the 1700s and 1800s in the Keep museum in Dorchester, sadly no sashes on display
I really need to make it out there one of these days - they seem to have a fair amount of original 54th stuff, judging from the pics I’ve seen.
@@ChristheRedcoat quite a bit of 54th kit out on display, not sure how many more things they might have in their collection as I went on a random monday when only a couple of staff were about. Would recommend Dorset as a place to visit. The tank museum, Jurassic coast, Portland island and the lulworth estate are fantastic things to see
Weaving is my weakness. I took one of that woman's workshops. Still don't know how to sprang, except for springing up after firing with the Light's.
Ah very informative!!
Another great video 😃
Awesome video (as always)! Huzzah! God bless His Excellency General George Washington! Haha!
Nicely done video. Just a question regarding purple facing regiments such as the 56th Regiment. I remember in a book going over Infantry and Cavalry uniforms of the Napoleonic era that it was stated that the use of the white stripped NCO sashes also applied to regiments such as the 56th. Was it the same case in the American Revolution or was this change done later on (Similar to the phasing in of pure crimson NCO sashes for Foot Guards NCO near the end of the Napoleonic Wars)? I'd figured its likely be due to the cost of the threads being extremely high for a sash that needed miles of thread to be woven, compared to a small sheet of dyed wool to use in the facings (Which in of itself likely was expensive too).
I’m unsure about the 56th. I think I’ve read that same book, so I think it’s likely that it could have applied, but also IIRC the exact shade of that regiment’s facings changed at least once, so I think it would depend on when exactly that change came into effect, which I don’t know.
@@ChristheRedcoat I see, The book I've seen the statement being made was "British Napoleonic Uniforms" from C.E.Franklin, when seems to be acclaimed for it's accurate information, so idk. Thanks for the response.
Ah, so I wasn’t thinking of the same book. Same author, though!
@@ChristheRedcoat What was the book you were thinking about, Serjeant?
I was thinking of his book on the uniforms of the Seven Years War and the American War of Independence. Actually, pretty sure in that book he says red-faced regiments wore a plain red sash, so it’s good to know he corrected himself for the Napoleonic book.
Mic you had literally ONE job! .. (give it the lash)
Chris I've been looking for your video "Identifying Rank In The British Army" as you've mentioned it in a couple of videos but can't find it anywhere and it's not in your RUclips list!... Can you provide a link please?
I have a similar from days a Sergeant in the 64th, but not quite that quality.
Dang, sprang is sexy! I love my sergeant's sash (Carol made mine, too). Do you wear yours double wrapped, or single wrapped? Mine is only long enough for a single wrap, but I know opinions are divided.
I am pretty sure the Guards and Royal Artillery Regiment serjeants get red silk sashes without the facing stripe. Look at them, putting on airs thinking they are better than us Regiment of Foot serjeants (says someone from a recreated royal regiment)!
I think mine is only long enough for a single wrap. The old sash is longer by quite a bit, so I used to double wrap that.
They're absolutely meant to only be single-wrapped. Not sure who'd be of other opinion with any sort of evidence. It's pretty clear in the period art, plus the extant ones are this length - with the possible exception of a sash with highland provenance, if I recall correctly.
Nicely done!
Whyyyy didn't you put it on for us, though? Such a gorgeous sash is best displayed upon the serjeant! ;)
Because then I would’ve had to put the breeches on. XD
@@ChristheRedcoat :0 hahahahaha!!
Im trying to find the video that you refer to in the video. I can only find one on how to identify rank in the french army. Would be cool to see the one about british army.
I actually took that video down. There was some incorrect information in it which I wasn't happy with. Hoping to make an updated version sometime this year.
is it just me, or can I not find the video chris made on identifying british army rank?
It’s not just you. I removed it some time ago.
@@ChristheRedcoat Aw that's unfortunate, thanks for the quick reply though.
You named the color green that your facings are. Im not sure if I heard it correctly. Did you call it papa jay green? If not could you give me the correct name please. I am building a 28mm AWI army for wargaming. Im currently building a force representing the 3rd Regiment of Foot (the Buffs). But after seeing your uniform Im really liking that green. Any help with this color would be appreciated. Thankyou. And keep up the great work your videos are always informative.
Popinjay. Like the parrot.
@@ChristheRedcoat thanks for the quick reply.
Do not view “ Outlander”
version of 1740s Crown regimentals, you may develope a severe facial tic
Then theres th matter of
Jacobite clans men sporting high fancy boots and riding big fully equipped cavalry horses
Oof, too late on that one, I’m afraid. (Face twitches aggressively)
Yup and I do wonder how many normal people in the 18th century could afford having friesian horses and spanish horses ( PRE). But I guess the filmmakers thought it looking silly with full grown men riding highland ponies and the like. I could buy Jamie Fraser ( being a laird) and officers riding large really good horses, but not others. And still what was considered a large military horse those days is not really a modern friesian horse sizewise.
So I have a question, we are thinking of going with green as we are a Loyalist Rgt here in NS.
Would the Sgt sash be green with the centre being of the Rgt facing?
Thank you
I believe in the case of loyalist units it’s red and white.
What are your plans for the 4th of July?
Probably go march in a parade and get boo-ed by lots of people.
I got an unrelated Question to the video and more to re-enactment in general to which I didnt find an answer to yet: If in an event you "die" and than just lay there, what happens next? How long do you have to stay there and do you at some point when no one watches just stand up and leave?
Brandon F made a video on this topic a while back, although I can't remember if your exact question was covered in it. Ultimately, it's up to you - typically people hold off on taking their hits until towards the end of the battle, so they're not lying there that long, and usually at the end there's a command given of "the dead may rise." However, there's nothing saying that if you take a hit, you have to "die." You could just decide to be walking wounded.
as far as I remember that video had a question about how to know if one actually was hit not on what happens when one goes down. So when you get hit and "die" you just lie there for a long time (given you die at quite early)?
Most people don’t die early.
I think your identifying rank video that you referenced was removed by youtube or something, I can't find it anywhere within your video collections.
It wasn’t removed by RUclips. I removed it.
@@ChristheRedcoat too bad, would have enjoyed seeing it.
I plan on making a new and improved version Soon(TM).
I just re watched this... might need a new sash... LOL...
Yep. Didn’t last me too long…
@@ChristheRedcoat well for my British Loyalist impression, I’m just a private… Lol… but I do portray a militia Capt. With another group… need to do some research… but going to check out the website… Thanks…
What about the Royal Artillery? They have red facings, but blue uniforms..
Artillery companies are distinct from regiments of foot and therefore are not subject to the same uniform regulations.
Absolutely a better channel than Brandon F's.
Oh, I wouldn't say that, they compliment each other very well.
@@wayneantoniazzi2706 - Maybe for you, but I can't stand Brandon F's voice: he sounds excessively pompous, uppity, and generally fake.
@@TrueOpinion99 Hey, as the saying goes "That's what makes a horse race." You don't like him, don't watch him. There's plenty of RUclips channels I don't bother with myself, for various reasons.
@@wayneantoniazzi2706- Well, yes; and I'm glad that Brandon F isn't the only game in town anymore.
@@TrueOpinion99 Hey, I ran into one RUclips history channel where the presenter was so stuck-up and pompous I wanted to punch my computer screen, but then I'd have hurt myself and would have had to buy an new 'puter as well!
So I avoid that one!
Peresonally I find young Mr. Branson's enthusiam very infectious, kind of gives me hope for the future of the history game.
Ive heard some story (on the Muzzleloading forum) that some of those had pockets sewn in for money? is that true or was it just some officers adding it themselves?
If that’s true, it’s the first I’m hearing of it.
I think I asked this in an older video, but I'll try here: What's the differentiation between Serjeant and Serjeant Major at this time in rank insignia, if any?
Serjeant Major gets a fancier breastplate/buckle on their bayonet belt. Serjeants have simple silver plates with the regimental number, while Serjeant Majors have the regimental seal on a silver plate.
@@marxbruder Gotcha, thank you!
Hold up: microphones are used in recording audio. 🤯 No wonder I never here anything out of them. 🤦♂️🤣
:)
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There is no such video as "Identifying rank in the British army" on your channel. What gives?
There was. Until I removed it.