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They took away the BR because it messed with the sandbox of weapons. They wanted the focus to be more so on the management of weapons. This is why the Auto-Mag has next to no shield damage while the Silence SMG is better with shield damage. They added the ability to use the BR in Firefight in the MCC version and it seriously breaks the game, takes away a lot of the challenge. Engineers die in one hit from an overcharged Plasma shot, any difficulty. The reason ODST can use the turrets is because their armor is semi power armor, they do provide some strength boost to the user. I know these were nitpicking complaints but I feel the need explain these.
In the clip when he is holding the broken sniper rifle, he somewhat pulls the barrel back out when just thinking with it in his hands. I can assure you, you wouldn't be able to do that with a .50 cal barrel
@@sand0decker what's great about that scene knowing this is it shows even more just how much impact and strength would be needed to destroy the rifle. Some great visual story telling and explanation there.
I disagree about the br breaking any thing as the carbine serves the same role. You end up with a carbine for most of odst for that reason. Having a utility weapon has just kind of always been how Halo works. This time you're pretty limited on ammo, so it'd be the same with the br regardless.
@@sand0decker The sniper isn't .50cal it's 14.5mm... but heres a fun fact in ODST your player has 3 times the health and shields of your Spartan in Halo 3 lol
They should have rebalanced the whole sandbox to be more in line with CE, they're still using Halo 2 and 3's damage values despite the fact that those guns are for dual wielding, this is the same case with Reach too.
I really loved ODST; I liked the smaller scale story, and the characters were good and believeable enough. I do agree it could have had a bit more of an "edge" when it comes to the differences between how Master Chief and the Rookie, felt, but I still overall love H3 ODST.
I must be the odd one out because I LOVED every aspect of ODST. Loved the plot, loved the atmosphere, loved the gameplay, loved the open ended level design. Loved the fact that Mombasa looked lived in. In halo 2, Mombasa was very sammy looking; with bland, empty streets without much interesting clutter. But ODST fixed that
I completely agree with you. Been revisiting it and I appreciate it so much more then I did as a kid. My only complaint is I wish we had more time with the rookie, more to do aside with him aside from going circle to circle around the map. That aside, the game absolutely rules
@@THEODSTKING117 Yep, completely agree. My complaint, is the godawful ammo capacity. But that complaint goes all the way back to Halo 2. Anyway, Thanks to Assembly, I've modded my version and now, I can carry as much ammo as I want.
filipinowhiteboy Awh man that too!! I was playing with a friend the other night and I remember thinking, is this by design?? Those ammo closets were seemingly everywhere in Halo 3 but in ODST it’s pretty scarce. But man I had no idea modding for ODST was a thing, ofc it is
@@THEODSTKING117 Well, I don't mod it much. Just the ammo capacity. I liked the ammo capacity of Doom 3 so I've used it's capacity settings for all halo games; 600 rounds for AR, BR and smg, 360 rounds for the magnum, 96 rounds for the Rocket Launcher, 120 rounds for the sniper, 320 rounds for the shotgun and 144 rounds for the brute shot (I quite like that weapon).
@Spag Ootter yeah, I also love the feeling of isolation. You're the only human in the hub. It reminds me why I love the Metroid Prime series so much. It's just you and the city.....and a healthy supply of Covenant baddies to take care of.
I felt like a missed opportunity, was simply not including the ODST Helmet Low-Light HUD into future games. Not only did it have utility, but it just felt more engrossing to have a function which would exist in some capacity and complement the idea of wearing high tech "armor" and helmets.
I suppose that's what 343 did right in their entries by removing the need for a flashlight/night vision all together as Spartans can see in low light with their augmented eyes lore wise
I always felt like Joe Staten had to hold back with this game; not really having the budget to express his creative vision fully. Given the small team and limited budget, it's honestly incredible what they managed to do with the time they had. If they had gone the distance, maybe even scrapped Reach entirely, and dedicated a real team to the game, ODST would've gone down as one of the best open-world story-driven shooters of all time, especially considering the concept for how the story played out was so ahead of its time. I just always felt it was never fully realized.
@@dwaipayanupadhyay766 I trust his creative vision, but it remains to be seen what resources Joe will have to work with in the limited time he has to weave together a cohesive narrative that captures the magic of Bungie's golden age.
@@zachhall9648 He can make out a cohesive narrative within these time.....and next time these man should lead the development for the next installment. He could blow away if he is let unleashed....and that is very much appreciated of him....
Zach Hall ODST is still my favorite halo and will always be, the atmosphere, the music and the hidden storyline behind the audio logs when you find them was just unbelievable. Not to mention i felt more connected to rookie as hes not a super soldier, hes just an elite soldier thats trying to find his squad.
No kidding. Didn't a guy in The Flood book loose a huge chunk of his arm from a needler explosion and was able to man the gun after Chief biofoamed it up?
I remember back in the day when devs talked about the game, "you can't rip off turrets anymore since you don't play as the Chief" looks like they forgot that. And you're not as strong as chief as stated in the video but that doesn't explain how a brute would die from a sniper headshot in halo 3 but not in odst, so they just altered the general damage you do as a odst not just their strength per se. I do love the game tho.
Is it bad I kinda liked the story with it being a bit different to what you typically get from an FPS? Mind you, I'm an insufferable Firefly fan so I'm biased for having half the cast being in the game. That aside, MCC being on PC I'm excited for, looking forward to diving into these again
When you mentioned the fact that you could rip off turrets and walk around with them, I laughed. It was something I always found weird, especially since the movement speed is faster with the turret than in any other Halo game. The fact that a normal human can move faster than a with a big turret (let alone being able to pick it up) than a Spartan was always funny to me.
The armor doesnt have leg reloaders and it isnt really that much more useful and not to mention they are phsyically too small to one hand the plasma rifle if you give an Ai one its like half his torso
I love the soundtrack. I love the story. I love the characters and focus on something more minor than the Master Cheif but still as intrinsic to the plot. But man it was a wasted opportunity for environment and atmosphere building being an ODST and fighting with the Marines and NMPD. I wish there was more to that. They really got a good idea of it with the preserve mission and the dialogue we did get, but I just wish it was more of it. I just felt like I was playing as the Cheif but with lower stats. I was hoping for more atmosphere like Republic Commando or Colonial Marines as you said. I wanted to feel like fighting a Brute was a real battle, and I just didnt.
Decimator Omega If you stick with the auto mag. Get a carbine and you’ll quickly rinse chieftains (and there is only one on mombasa street). Mombasa street quickly became a pattern, and it was pretty easy to just carry around a carbine and a beam rifle the whole entire time (plenty of ammo to go around). I never understood the praise for ODST making you feel weak when you get rinsed much fast in CE, 2 and even reach. Firefight actually does a much better job at making you feel overwhelmed than the campaign ever did at any moment The rest of the campaign was laughably easy even on legendary. Tayari plaza and uplift reserve were over quickly. I beat nmpd hq legendary on my first try without even dying (not to mention it was short as hell too). Oni headquarters was basically two firefight sections and you were done.
ODST is the game that comes to mind when I think “wasted potential.” Imagine what a sequel could bring to the table: larger open world, more refined areas, improved character development, side quests beyond just audio logs-it’s the one Halo game that I always come back to time and time again because it feels so right, so unique that it makes me wanting more every playthrough.
@@THEODSTKING117 It really would make more sense as a way to continue in the Halo universe, all the best ideas that could be done with the Master Chief character have been done already. I'd like a middle ground on the power armour thing like you can pick up "mounted guns" but you must stop moving to shoot them. That might make such power weapons easier to balance.
This was my best friend's introduction to Halo when we played through it in split-screen co-op. He loved it; it helps we're both big Firefly fans, so having so many of the cast members being in the game was a big draw, but it was also very easy to explain what was going on at the start of the game and get him engrossed. But yes, the New Mombasa hub at night is the highlight of the game, to me. Just atmospherically perfect. We actually planned ambushes and coordinated our loadouts to suit our encounters; made us feel like spec-ops badasses. What I wouldn't give for there to have been another ODST game.
Mombasa streets is probably my favorite Halo level, the atmosphere, the music, the rain, exploring, it's sooooooo good. I kinda wish the whole game was from the Rookie's perspective and the story was more environmental and subtle
Spoilers for the book Bad blood: So buck and Veronica end up getting married on the infinity after they get the whole of alpha nine back together “yes even Mickey” and it’s implied that they will be on future black ops missions together with alpha nine when buck isn’t with Osiris.
TheLoliChef There’s a whole argument through the whole book about it and it isn’t about the fact that Mickey turned traitor Buck himself says that isn’t really too bad, it’s the fact he did it by willingly putting his squad mates as prisoners when he did it. On the flip side it is clear that while Romeos a little sour he’s not to angry, and Dutch and Gretchen (his honey) are about the same but still willing. It’s really a battle between Mickey and buck the whole book.
In a perfect world, ODST would be the memoirs of one soldier left behind by his squad, wandering a once lively city now destoyed by nightmare inspired beasts, consumed with the screams of those who inhabitted it. This would have distinguished Reach and ODST a lot more.
Ive been playing this since i was a kid and i absolutely LOVE it. I get people may find navigating through the streets tedious. I must say the smooth jazz and neon lights really had a effect on me and i wish there was more things like it. The only bad thing i can say about the PC port is the A.I is a bit buggy like halo 3's PC port. Im thinking it might be the engine. Anyway man, great video
I think the story might have gotten changed mid development. When Buck went back to the city to try and rescue Dare, I was expecting there to be a big reveal where you find out you were playing as him retracing his steps and the Rookie had just died off-screen. Both characters seemed to be using the same voice actor so I thought Rook was about to start speaking once he found the Hivemind. In reality you were probably supposed to be playing as Buck all along and the Rookie was just a last minute addition.
I think my game glitched out at one point, because I replayed the mission where you found that helmet in the tv. I at first thought my save data was corrupted and it sent me all the way back to the first mission, but I'm still not sure what happened, it's an anomaly.
Now that I've played through Halo 3 ODST myself, I've actually got a very similar opinion about it. Though, I think it's also worth mentioning that side story from audio recordings that you find in the main hub world, the one about the stubborn teenage daughter of the scientist who made the city AI.
I don't know exactly why the Battle Rifle was missing in ODST but the carbine wasn't its replacement, it was the automag that was. Bungie was very likely going for a Halo CE type pistol considering how disappointing the magnum was in Halo 3, and therefore they replaced the BR with a better pistol.
The magnum definitely is not the replacement for the BR. It's incredibly weak and is only good for headshots against unshielded opponents. The magnum serves its own role. The carbine mean while has always been the covenant equivalent of the br.
It’s also super hard, especially on legendary, which I low key loved about it. I then went from Legendary ODST to playing Legendary Halo 3, which made it surprisingly easy for me to beat Halo 3. I gotta say the PC port looks fantastic and I definitely agree with you on the stellar atmosphere (when it’s there).
5:34 This has always been my point of contention with the game as well, even though I do like ODST, because I was sold on magazines and videos telling me about a MUCH different gameplay experience than what was delivered. Fighting a Brute on your own as human was supposed to be near-suicide and would only be attempted with a team and heavy equipment. Avoiding fights via stealth was supposed to be a huge part of surviving in the city.
To his punctured lung... When I was younger I got kicked in the chest and 3 ribs punctured one of my lung. Only after a week I decided to go to the hospital because I got tired waking up in my blood.
Odst is definitely my favorite halo game I liked everthing about it and see why people see it as a missed opportunity. I liked the story though I can see why people dislike it even though I felt it did a good job with the characters enough for me to look into expanded lore the atmosphere still had the opressing vibe throughout the entire game even in the end when new mombasa gets glassed. And the gameplay felt a lot different than halo 3 in my opinion of course.
I think what made this game so good to me is the fact that I played it between Halo 2 and 3. It may not be a whole new gameplay experience but it was a nice change of pace.
I really love halo 3 odst it's definitely my favorite halo game the one thing i mostly love about halo 3 odst is you fight alongside with a group of police force halo 3 odst is the only halo game where your alies are police officers i think they should do that in the new hali games fight alongside with the police officers in a halo game
Thinking about it now, perhaps more stealth oriented gameplay for New Mombasa night missions would’ve been better. A city crawling with covenant and rookie cant just take them head on. I was really hoping the silenced smg and pistol would mean enemies dont notice shots immediately but i guess that was more an aesthetic thing
Its really not the noise but the enemy reaction similar to a melee in the back no enemy sees it or is close enough to hear the enemy dying and your fine I've killed enemy's with silenced weapons without alerting others. Just like in real life a silencer muffles the noise and nearly or does erase the muzzle flash but it still makes noise so fire to close to other enemies or miss the one hit kill and your cover will be blown!
Halo 5's SP gameplay was almost the republic commando halo game you were looking for, reduced to shitty basic squad mechanics. Republic Commando and Halo 5 share a design director.
I've heard that ODST was supposed to have a full multiplayer mainly a lot like SWAT and all that and I woulda loved it. With just a few maps even I love playing SWAT in halo in general it's fast and arcade like
I think the games badass when you play on harder difficulty, and you have situations where you have to place the trust in that last rocket in an AI’s hands and hope for the best. It really expanded my vision on how to use the halo gun sandbox when the odds were really pushed against me. I also at one time thought like you did, where a tactical shooter would’ve made a great debut here, but if you watch how moders in ARMA ect made that already, it turns out to be slow and drawn out, probably too big for this games budget and scope. But frankly the witty characters and bad assery made me always rank this one as the most fun to play on legendary.
Tactical shooters aren't the same genre as milsim. Tactical shooters generally aren't boring or drawn out. Look at games like SWAT 4 or rainbow six vegas.
I wanted a more grounded experience too - the fact that rookie can instakill a giant leather-skinned space gorilla sporting Armor and energy shields with a single punch to the back is kind of stupid. That being said I still love the hell out of this game. Halo’s at its best in semi-open levels, and there’s a fair bit of that here.
ODST is a game I love and adore. I can see where you come from with the criticism but honestly it doesn't change how I feel about the game. For years it's been my favorite Halo campaign and has always been a special experience for me. My problem with the game is that it needs a rebalance. Mainly a slight buff to guns, add the BR to the campaign, don't have the ability to pick up turrets, make stealth more of a viable option, and reduce health. Other than that the game is stellar.
I feel the story is a lot easier to get behind if you view it as something like Casablanca set in the Halo universe. Not a war movie per se, but a noir romance set against the backdrop of war. Idk, just my take that no one asked for.
You nailed it right on the head! ODST takes a lot of inspiration for old noir films like you mentioned. I think that does create the divide. if you love the genre of film, you will most likely like ODST’s story, if not then you get what Jarek is saying. I am not saying that ODST’s story is perfect, but it is certainly my favorite specifically because of its style
@@Jarekthegamingdragon oh man youre pumping quality videos out like a machine gun, you spoil us. Hey i got some air molecules in my wallet (cant seem to find cash) , do you accept that as payment?
Hey Jarek! I'm working on a mod for Halo 3 that does exactly what you're looking for. Completely make the game more like a tactical shooter. You'll be as much more of a human as possible. Lemme know if you'd like to know more!
I was okay with the story but I would have preferred it if as you say you find out how everyone died. It would have been poignant in general but especially to HALO fans seeing basically the lives of the NPCs we mostly disregard play out and those same people die as they fight a losing battle but each perishing in a way that contributes either to the mission or saving others.
I feel like you played on Normal or Easy, because the clips you're showing make it look like you didn't try it on Heroic or Legendary. Yes they are more difficult, but it adds more to the game, you have to really plan out how you're going to attack your enemies or what weapons you need. Normal and Easy is the equivalent to "journalist" mode. Plus I didn't even hear you talk about the side story about Sadie through the audio logs, so I assume you didn't even bother with that side of the game too. You also get more cache's that you can unlock by finding those audio logs, to help you move through the city easier, some have Mongooses or rocket launchers or sniper rifles.
"I feel like you played on Normal or Easy, because the clips you're showing make it look like you didn't try it on Heroic or Legendary. " No, I did play it on heroic. So you're just complimenting me for being good at Halo I guess. I've played Halo my entire life, still play it competitively. I'm well aware of the audio logs and caches. I didn't mention them for the same reason I didn't mention firefiight, I wasn't interested in talking about them. They exist, I'm indifferent in them. Firefight I always found rather boring. I need a goal and structure so I always preferred to play Killing Floor instead if I wanted a wave based game. If I was playing Halo, I just went to MP.
@@Jarekthegamingdragon but if the guy said it himself, it should be true, he knows more about music than I do in the end. just didn't sound like that for me.
I hated this game as a kid, maybe because I found it scary. I only bought it cause it came with that Halo 3 multiplayer disc. Finally got around to playing it and I love it so much, maybe even more then Halo 3
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Being all alone in the city, with the music, is how it feels when the boys never came back online.
Feels bad man :'(
I still have old forge screenshots. Ah, the old days.
@@Astandane Early Xbox 360 days were the greatest times for gaming nowadays games don't really seam that memerable, miss those Halo days 😔
@@manny2386 yep, they're golden days long gone :(
I try not to be sad about it, just look back at those days fondly. Happy we got to experience it at all. We were lucky kids
The soundtrack is so good it comes with a game
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Surprised there was no talk about the Firefight mode, which basically started with this game.
Pretty sure that is because he already covered it, as Firefight was released a while ago.
@@Exoc3tBOOM that was the Reach version though, the ODST version is pretty different actually.
@@Exoc3tBOOM ODST Firefight was only added to the MCC with the recent update. Xbox had ODST story mode for a while since almost release.
@@stevemc6010 but not odst firefight
It did
They took away the BR because it messed with the sandbox of weapons. They wanted the focus to be more so on the management of weapons. This is why the Auto-Mag has next to no shield damage while the Silence SMG is better with shield damage.
They added the ability to use the BR in Firefight in the MCC version and it seriously breaks the game, takes away a lot of the challenge.
Engineers die in one hit from an overcharged Plasma shot, any difficulty.
The reason ODST can use the turrets is because their armor is semi power armor, they do provide some strength boost to the user.
I know these were nitpicking complaints but I feel the need explain these.
In the clip when he is holding the broken sniper rifle, he somewhat pulls the barrel back out when just thinking with it in his hands.
I can assure you, you wouldn't be able to do that with a .50 cal barrel
@@sand0decker what's great about that scene knowing this is it shows even more just how much impact and strength would be needed to destroy the rifle. Some great visual story telling and explanation there.
I disagree about the br breaking any thing as the carbine serves the same role. You end up with a carbine for most of odst for that reason. Having a utility weapon has just kind of always been how Halo works. This time you're pretty limited on ammo, so it'd be the same with the br regardless.
@@sand0decker The sniper isn't .50cal it's 14.5mm... but heres a fun fact in ODST your player has 3 times the health and shields of your Spartan in Halo 3 lol
They should have rebalanced the whole sandbox to be more in line with CE, they're still using Halo 2 and 3's damage values despite the fact that those guns are for dual wielding, this is the same case with Reach too.
I really loved ODST; I liked the smaller scale story, and the characters were good and believeable enough. I do agree it could have had a bit more of an "edge" when it comes to the differences between how Master Chief and the Rookie, felt, but I still overall love H3 ODST.
I must be the odd one out because I LOVED every aspect of ODST. Loved the plot, loved the atmosphere, loved the gameplay, loved the open ended level design. Loved the fact that Mombasa looked lived in. In halo 2, Mombasa was very sammy looking; with bland, empty streets without much interesting clutter. But ODST fixed that
I completely agree with you. Been revisiting it and I appreciate it so much more then I did as a kid. My only complaint is I wish we had more time with the rookie, more to do aside with him aside from going circle to circle around the map. That aside, the game absolutely rules
@@THEODSTKING117 Yep, completely agree. My complaint, is the godawful ammo capacity. But that complaint goes all the way back to Halo 2. Anyway, Thanks to Assembly, I've modded my version and now, I can carry as much ammo as I want.
filipinowhiteboy Awh man that too!! I was playing with a friend the other night and I remember thinking, is this by design?? Those ammo closets were seemingly everywhere in Halo 3 but in ODST it’s pretty scarce. But man I had no idea modding for ODST was a thing, ofc it is
@@THEODSTKING117 Well, I don't mod it much. Just the ammo capacity. I liked the ammo capacity of Doom 3 so I've used it's capacity settings for all halo games; 600 rounds for AR, BR and smg, 360 rounds for the magnum, 96 rounds for the Rocket Launcher, 120 rounds for the sniper, 320 rounds for the shotgun and 144 rounds for the brute shot (I quite like that weapon).
@Spag Ootter yeah, I also love the feeling of isolation. You're the only human in the hub. It reminds me why I love the Metroid Prime series so much. It's just you and the city.....and a healthy supply of Covenant baddies to take care of.
I felt like a missed opportunity, was simply not including the ODST Helmet Low-Light HUD into future games. Not only did it have utility, but it just felt more engrossing to have a function which would exist in some capacity and complement the idea of wearing high tech "armor" and helmets.
I suppose that's what 343 did right in their entries by removing the need for a flashlight/night vision all together as Spartans can see in low light with their augmented eyes lore wise
Reach had it right?
SLAD3 I feel like it did
THEODSTKING117 yeah it did but it was more like night vision instead of the one from ODST
Reach had a watered down Version but it did display weapons and objectives and sort of outlined objects
I always felt like Joe Staten had to hold back with this game; not really having the budget to express his creative vision fully. Given the small team and limited budget, it's honestly incredible what they managed to do with the time they had. If they had gone the distance, maybe even scrapped Reach entirely, and dedicated a real team to the game, ODST would've gone down as one of the best open-world story-driven shooters of all time, especially considering the concept for how the story played out was so ahead of its time. I just always felt it was never fully realized.
Makes sense as he is now the project lead for Halo Infinite, the first mainline Halo going for a massive open world route.
@@dwaipayanupadhyay766 I trust his creative vision, but it remains to be seen what resources Joe will have to work with in the limited time he has to weave together a cohesive narrative that captures the magic of Bungie's golden age.
@@zachhall9648 He can make out a cohesive narrative within these time.....and next time these man should lead the development for the next installment. He could blow away if he is let unleashed....and that is very much appreciated of him....
Zach Hall ODST is still my favorite halo and will always be, the atmosphere, the music and the hidden storyline behind the audio logs when you find them was just unbelievable. Not to mention i felt more connected to rookie as hes not a super soldier, hes just an elite soldier thats trying to find his squad.
@@IcyTorments I'd say the same, even though SGT MAJ Johnson still best boy. I'd really love a game where we play his story!
We need a Republic Commando + ODST spiritual successor.
i remember that in the books, characters would survive more serious injuries than what romeo got after using that foam
No kidding. Didn't a guy in The Flood book loose a huge chunk of his arm from a needler explosion and was able to man the gun after Chief biofoamed it up?
@@vzerby he got hit in the stomach but yes
In Halo FUD, a cadet was able to walk after getting shot in the knee with a needler.
But can it heal you after you tell your crush how you feel about them and they hit you with a “K”?
That guy mike JFL
I loved ODST. A Republic Commando type game would be crazy.
ODST’s always gave me a clone trooper vibe too, would love a game like that
I remember back in the day when devs talked about the game, "you can't rip off turrets anymore since you don't play as the Chief" looks like they forgot that. And you're not as strong as chief as stated in the video but that doesn't explain how a brute would die from a sniper headshot in halo 3 but not in odst, so they just altered the general damage you do as a odst not just their strength per se. I do love the game tho.
Spartans pull the trigger harder lmao
Not Eskinor Spartans fuel their bullets with bloodlust and it adds more damage
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I listen to ODST soundtrack to fall asleep it puts me out quick
"It's like I'm watching a Disney movie, but the atmosphere is a war movie."
So basically the Star Wars sequels.
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Is it bad I kinda liked the story with it being a bit different to what you typically get from an FPS? Mind you, I'm an insufferable Firefly fan so I'm biased for having half the cast being in the game. That aside, MCC being on PC I'm excited for, looking forward to diving into these again
When you mentioned the fact that you could rip off turrets and walk around with them, I laughed. It was something I always found weird, especially since the movement speed is faster with the turret than in any other Halo game. The fact that a normal human can move faster than a with a big turret (let alone being able to pick it up) than a Spartan was always funny to me.
I like how you can rip off a turret in ODST but you can't duel wield, that's too much.
The armor doesnt have leg reloaders and it isnt really that much more useful and not to mention they are phsyically too small to one hand the plasma rifle if you give an Ai one its like half his torso
Remember how you can still walk fast while holding a turret
I will never forget ODST's beautiful soundtrack.
Honestly my favorite Halo game, had a lot of fun playing through it on Legendary since I never really felt like it was completely unfair at any point
I love the soundtrack. I love the story. I love the characters and focus on something more minor than the Master Cheif but still as intrinsic to the plot.
But man it was a wasted opportunity for environment and atmosphere building being an ODST and fighting with the Marines and NMPD. I wish there was more to that. They really got a good idea of it with the preserve mission and the dialogue we did get, but I just wish it was more of it. I just felt like I was playing as the Cheif but with lower stats. I was hoping for more atmosphere like Republic Commando or Colonial Marines as you said. I wanted to feel like fighting a Brute was a real battle, and I just didnt.
Decimator Omega If you stick with the auto mag. Get a carbine and you’ll quickly rinse chieftains (and there is only one on mombasa street).
Mombasa street quickly became a pattern, and it was pretty easy to just carry around a carbine and a beam rifle the whole entire time (plenty of ammo to go around). I never understood the praise for ODST making you feel weak when you get rinsed much fast in CE, 2 and even reach. Firefight actually does a much better job at making you feel overwhelmed than the campaign ever did at any moment
The rest of the campaign was laughably easy even on legendary. Tayari plaza and uplift reserve were over quickly. I beat nmpd hq legendary on my first try without even dying (not to mention it was short as hell too). Oni headquarters was basically two firefight sections and you were done.
ODST is the game that comes to mind when I think “wasted potential.” Imagine what a sequel could bring to the table: larger open world, more refined areas, improved character development, side quests beyond just audio logs-it’s the one Halo game that I always come back to time and time again because it feels so right, so unique that it makes me wanting more every playthrough.
i suspect with the slipspace engine they may eventually expand into sequel or a similar story territory with a spin-off
You mean sequel as in another "stand alone expansion" expanding on what ODST did?
Treblaine yes
I so wish the ODSTS get another opportunity to shine. They’re such a interesting group, would be a waste not to make another game about them
@@THEODSTKING117 It really would make more sense as a way to continue in the Halo universe, all the best ideas that could be done with the Master Chief character have been done already.
I'd like a middle ground on the power armour thing like you can pick up "mounted guns" but you must stop moving to shoot them.
That might make such power weapons easier to balance.
I didn’t like ODST when I was younger but when I played it now that I’m older I actually think it’s on of my favorites.
This was my best friend's introduction to Halo when we played through it in split-screen co-op. He loved it; it helps we're both big Firefly fans, so having so many of the cast members being in the game was a big draw, but it was also very easy to explain what was going on at the start of the game and get him engrossed. But yes, the New Mombasa hub at night is the highlight of the game, to me. Just atmospherically perfect. We actually planned ambushes and coordinated our loadouts to suit our encounters; made us feel like spec-ops badasses. What I wouldn't give for there to have been another ODST game.
To answer the title: VERY
The gameplay felt like Halo CE mechanics, with Halo 3 weapons.
ODST is the best damn halo game in the series and I will die by that statement
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Lets all just agree that Buck was a legend for flying a a banshee in a Halo 3 engine campaign
Mombasa streets is probably my favorite Halo level, the atmosphere, the music, the rain, exploring, it's sooooooo good. I kinda wish the whole game was from the Rookie's perspective and the story was more environmental and subtle
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These videos are really good will you ever do Alan Wake? And Alan wakes American Nightmare?
I don't think that's his style of game he probably even hates from the contents i've seen on his channel
Spoilers for the book Bad blood:
So buck and Veronica end up getting married on the infinity after they get the whole of alpha nine back together “yes even Mickey” and it’s implied that they will be on future black ops missions together with alpha nine when buck isn’t with Osiris.
Really? Even Mickey? Does he at least feel sorry for causing Rookies death?
TheLoliChef There’s a whole argument through the whole book about it and it isn’t about the fact that Mickey turned traitor Buck himself says that isn’t really too bad, it’s the fact he did it by willingly putting his squad mates as prisoners when he did it.
On the flip side it is clear that while Romeos a little sour he’s not to angry, and Dutch and Gretchen (his honey) are about the same but still willing. It’s really a battle between Mickey and buck the whole book.
In a perfect world, ODST would be the memoirs of one soldier left behind by his squad, wandering a once lively city now destoyed by nightmare inspired beasts, consumed with the screams of those who inhabitted it. This would have distinguished Reach and ODST a lot more.
Thanks nice to hear your thoughts on the game
I'm here just to say I love the music that's it
How could someone not love that sax and piano mix at night in a completely abandoned city
@@atheontimeconflux9892 people who say they listen to classical music only.
And third world countries
Ive been playing this since i was a kid and i absolutely LOVE it. I get people may find navigating through the streets tedious. I must say the smooth jazz and neon lights really had a effect on me and i wish there was more things like it. The only bad thing i can say about the PC port is the A.I is a bit buggy like halo 3's PC port. Im thinking it might be the engine. Anyway man, great video
Your videos need to be longer man! Love the way you talk about games.
I think the story might have gotten changed mid development. When Buck went back to the city to try and rescue Dare, I was expecting there to be a big reveal where you find out you were playing as him retracing his steps and the Rookie had just died off-screen. Both characters seemed to be using the same voice actor so I thought Rook was about to start speaking once he found the Hivemind. In reality you were probably supposed to be playing as Buck all along and the Rookie was just a last minute addition.
I think my game glitched out at one point, because I replayed the mission where you found that helmet in the tv. I at first thought my save data was corrupted and it sent me all the way back to the first mission, but I'm still not sure what happened, it's an anomaly.
Played this when I was 11 and the atmosphere of walking through new Mombasa at night while it was raining outside was very memorable
Soundtrack on this HALO is something truly special.
Imagine a upgraded Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter but with ODST.. now THAT would be dope
I remember it being one of my favorites. Im about to play it again.
Now that I've played through Halo 3 ODST myself, I've actually got a very similar opinion about it. Though, I think it's also worth mentioning that side story from audio recordings that you find in the main hub world, the one about the stubborn teenage daughter of the scientist who made the city AI.
I want to see a realistic, tactical odst game made by bohemia interactive
Hey Jarek, do you plan on playing/reviewing Serious Sam 4? I’ve heard it’s quite unfinished!
Yea, I'll cover it next week
Serious sam 4 is seriously disappointing
I would love for you to check out Iron Storm. One of my favorite games to play on the PC.
Before I even watch this you better choose your words carefully
Legendary had a sick soundtrack, it’s great hearing it in all these videos 👍
I don't know exactly why the Battle Rifle was missing in ODST but the carbine wasn't its replacement, it was the automag that was. Bungie was very likely going for a Halo CE type pistol considering how disappointing the magnum was in Halo 3, and therefore they replaced the BR with a better pistol.
The magnum definitely is not the replacement for the BR. It's incredibly weak and is only good for headshots against unshielded opponents. The magnum serves its own role. The carbine mean while has always been the covenant equivalent of the br.
Wow that city scene is absolutely amazing. I want to buy the game just for that alone
I wonder if it just me or increasing the display contrast in settings mean the Enhanced Visor mode gets all too bright to use in day light?
The visor was always too bright to use in daylight. It's like night vision.
Wait so we didn’t have fall damage in Halo 3, no wonder I could survive Multiplayer
I wish they saved the flashbacks for just after you hear the captains call for backup “I forget her name”.
It’s also super hard, especially on legendary, which I low key loved about it. I then went from Legendary ODST to playing Legendary Halo 3, which made it surprisingly easy for me to beat Halo 3. I gotta say the PC port looks fantastic and I definitely agree with you on the stellar atmosphere (when it’s there).
Nice review
5:34 This has always been my point of contention with the game as well, even though I do like ODST, because I was sold on magazines and videos telling me about a MUCH different gameplay experience than what was delivered. Fighting a Brute on your own as human was supposed to be near-suicide and would only be attempted with a team and heavy equipment. Avoiding fights via stealth was supposed to be a huge part of surviving in the city.
9:15 never played the game but I felt that after that cutscene 😭😂
To his punctured lung...
When I was younger I got kicked in the chest and 3 ribs punctured one of my lung.
Only after a week I decided to go to the hospital because I got tired waking up in my blood.
Odst is definitely my favorite halo game I liked everthing about it and see why people see it as a missed opportunity. I liked the story though I can see why people dislike it even though I felt it did a good job with the characters enough for me to look into expanded lore the atmosphere still had the opressing vibe throughout the entire game even in the end when new mombasa gets glassed. And the gameplay felt a lot different than halo 3 in my opinion of course.
Man I love ODST, such a good expansion. So much atmosphere and I really liked the way it told its story.
I think what made this game so good to me is the fact that I played it between Halo 2 and 3. It may not be a whole new gameplay experience but it was a nice change of pace.
Hey Jarek, can you do a review of Medal of Honor: Allied Assault, with expansions?
The grenade animation still upsets til this day :) good times.
Granted, ODST's are basically just non-augmented Spartans.
Welp, time to get lost in New Mombasa again.
I really love halo 3 odst it's definitely my favorite halo game the one thing i mostly love about halo 3 odst is you fight alongside with a group of police force halo 3 odst is the only halo game where your alies are police officers i think they should do that in the new hali games fight alongside with the police officers in a halo game
Thinking about it now, perhaps more stealth oriented gameplay for New Mombasa night missions would’ve been better. A city crawling with covenant and rookie cant just take them head on. I was really hoping the silenced smg and pistol would mean enemies dont notice shots immediately but i guess that was more an aesthetic thing
Its really not the noise but the enemy reaction similar to a melee in the back no enemy sees it or is close enough to hear the enemy dying and your fine I've killed enemy's with silenced weapons without alerting others. Just like in real life a silencer muffles the noise and nearly or does erase the muzzle flash but it still makes noise so fire to close to other enemies or miss the one hit kill and your cover will be blown!
The last level on legendary passed me off but now I've beaten all games on legendary besides 3 cause I'm stuck lol on the 3rd to last mission
Halo 5's SP gameplay was almost the republic commando halo game you were looking for, reduced to shitty basic squad mechanics. Republic Commando and Halo 5 share a design director.
I've heard that ODST was supposed to have a full multiplayer mainly a lot like SWAT and all that and I woulda loved it. With just a few maps even I love playing SWAT in halo in general it's fast and arcade like
I think the games badass when you play on harder difficulty, and you have situations where you have to place the trust in that last rocket in an AI’s hands and hope for the best. It really expanded my vision on how to use the halo gun sandbox when the odds were really pushed against me. I also at one time thought like you did, where a tactical shooter would’ve made a great debut here, but if you watch how moders in ARMA ect made that already, it turns out to be slow and drawn out, probably too big for this games budget and scope. But frankly the witty characters and bad assery made me always rank this one as the most fun to play on legendary.
Tactical shooters aren't the same genre as milsim. Tactical shooters generally aren't boring or drawn out. Look at games like SWAT 4 or rainbow six vegas.
My first game when I was little and I love it
Can u change ur sensitivity on Xbox? Because my guy moves slow
I love this game it was my first console game
I wanted a more grounded experience too - the fact that rookie can instakill a giant leather-skinned space gorilla sporting Armor and energy shields with a single punch to the back is kind of stupid. That being said I still love the hell out of this game. Halo’s at its best in semi-open levels, and there’s a fair bit of that here.
ODST is a game I love and adore. I can see where you come from with the criticism but honestly it doesn't change how I feel about the game. For years it's been my favorite Halo campaign and has always been a special experience for me. My problem with the game is that it needs a rebalance. Mainly a slight buff to guns, add the BR to the campaign, don't have the ability to pick up turrets, make stealth more of a viable option, and reduce health. Other than that the game is stellar.
I feel the story is a lot easier to get behind if you view it as something like Casablanca set in the Halo universe. Not a war movie per se, but a noir romance set against the backdrop of war. Idk, just my take that no one asked for.
You nailed it right on the head! ODST takes a lot of inspiration for old noir films like you mentioned. I think that does create the divide. if you love the genre of film, you will most likely like ODST’s story, if not then you get what Jarek is saying. I am not saying that ODST’s story is perfect, but it is certainly my favorite specifically because of its style
Describing it that way honestly makes me hate it a lot more so you're right, LOL
I should add a plus, Buck no hard feelings man but you're the worst gunner at any warthog on coastal highway.
My first game was in legendary and buck mission was pain in the ass
What the hell us wrong with you jarek, putting out such quality content? Im already subscribed and notified to you, what do you want from me????
Just the fact that you appreciate my content is enough! ALSO ALL OF YOUR MONEY
@@Jarekthegamingdragon oh man youre pumping quality videos out like a machine gun, you spoil us.
Hey i got some air molecules in my wallet (cant seem to find cash) , do you accept that as payment?
Is it expensive air?
@@Jarekthegamingdragon i mean, some people cant leave without it, so i guess you coul get a pretty penny out of it.
8 minutes post that’s Rare to find a video that reacent
i felt the same way, i wish bungie made more of an effort to make the ODST feel different from a spartan
2:39 Name of the track pls
Just beat it yesterday on Legendary.
Its really easy surprisingly on legendary
Hey Jarek! I'm working on a mod for Halo 3 that does exactly what you're looking for. Completely make the game more like a tactical shooter. You'll be as much more of a human as possible. Lemme know if you'd like to know more!
Arguably the most profound soundtrack in game history
I never cared for this game but I would probably enjoy it quite a bit on PC.
I was okay with the story but I would have preferred it if as you say you find out how everyone died. It would have been poignant in general but especially to HALO fans seeing basically the lives of the NPCs we mostly disregard play out and those same people die as they fight a losing battle but each perishing in a way that contributes either to the mission or saving others.
The atmosphere sure was amazing in this game, but I don't even remember the story.
It’s sad ODST hours now boys. Time to wander the streets of new Mombasa in search of your squad.
But what about firefight?
Imma be honest with ya I just straight up don't care about firefight. I'd rather play a cohesive hoard mode with a goal, like say Killing Floor.
I feel like you played on Normal or Easy, because the clips you're showing make it look like you didn't try it on Heroic or Legendary. Yes they are more difficult, but it adds more to the game, you have to really plan out how you're going to attack your enemies or what weapons you need.
Normal and Easy is the equivalent to "journalist" mode. Plus I didn't even hear you talk about the side story about Sadie through the audio logs, so I assume you didn't even bother with that side of the game too. You also get more cache's that you can unlock by finding those audio logs, to help you move through the city easier, some have Mongooses or rocket launchers or sniper rifles.
"I feel like you played on Normal or Easy, because the clips you're showing make it look like you didn't try it on Heroic or Legendary. "
No, I did play it on heroic. So you're just complimenting me for being good at Halo I guess. I've played Halo my entire life, still play it competitively.
I'm well aware of the audio logs and caches. I didn't mention them for the same reason I didn't mention firefiight, I wasn't interested in talking about them. They exist, I'm indifferent in them. Firefight I always found rather boring. I need a goal and structure so I always preferred to play Killing Floor instead if I wanted a wave based game. If I was playing Halo, I just went to MP.
I only want one thing and its the fucking smg from odst back in the game
that piano soundtrack was nice, but that wasn't jazz.
and most important of all, it wasn't smooth jazz at all
ODST's music absolutely is Jazz. Marty O' Donnell even said that himself.
@@Jarekthegamingdragon what I heard in the video did not sound like jazz at all.
@@Jarekthegamingdragon but if the guy said it himself, it should be true, he knows more about music than I do in the end. just didn't sound like that for me.
This seems like an assumption based off 1 min of an ost you've not listened to.
I hated this game as a kid, maybe because I found it scary. I only bought it cause it came with that Halo 3 multiplayer disc. Finally got around to playing it and I love it so much, maybe even more then Halo 3
Hey jarek u should do a review on Medal of Honor allied assault war chest edition u can get it on origin.com for 10$ or on gog.com for 10$.
Fucking amazing. Best Halo campaign, and only rivaled by Reach.
Easily best soundtrack.
It was a great experience I felt. Not exactly a spartan..yet still plenty dangerous
No exactly a spartan your literally master chief
Halo 3 odst is f***ing amazing!