THE SHINING - return of the hag !!! (another previously missed subliminal)
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- She's back. A second scene featuring the bathroom hag, but in subliminal form.
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Happy new year folks. A quick vid here I wrote a few weeks back. Still working on my game at the mo. (Please leave your replies about the video content as separate comments. Thanks.)
Did you spot the 3/2 contrasting cushions on the Hag's bed, and the three colour contrasting plane seat backs ? Also the Two lampshades, almost Identical to the lamps in Hallorann's room? ( I think you did mention that once )
@@Overeasyeggsoee EDIT - Idiot I was responding to removed his own post lol.
That's not a sincere question. It's a hostile trolling statement. However, I'll supply a serious answer for anyone else reading your comment.
I used to write, direct and edit films. When I did I used to put in tons of subliminal stuff. In doing so I started noticing instances of it in other films, sometimes openly admitted by the film makers (watch the director commentaries on Robocop and Starship Troopers as a clear example).
A common problem with anything related to studying aspects of the unconscious (whether it's film analysis or not) is that a lot of people are afraid to become aware of what exists in their own unconscious ... one reason is because it challenges their conscious self-identity (realizing the dark depths within the self) they prefer to delusionally view themselves as inherently good ... another is that it makes some people feel anxious to know how easily they can be manipulated subliminally (these are the kinds of people who can watch real examples of stage hypnosis yet still deny their own receptivity to deception - they want to maintain the illusion they are completely in control of their own mind) ... another is that they prefer overly simplistic, news headline type, views of the world because they're psychologically lazy, they dislike deep psychology because it gets complex and they don't want to put the effort in to understand it ... and another is that learning about this stuff undermines people's sense of hard reality, it makes them realize that their view of reality is much more distorted than they want it to be, so they react by calling other people obsessive and mentally unstable (as you just did), they project their own anxiety about uncertain reality.
Quite simply, which ever the reason, people like yourself typically go into denial about the non-verbal symbolic depths of the human mind, despite the abundant lifelong evidence of their own nightly dreams which are packed with symbolic parallels with their waking life fantasies and anxieties.
So get out your mental box or go watch stuff that feeds into your desire for over-simplicity.
Happy new year mate, cheers for all your videos! Me and my friends love watching your videos (especially me!) Your long-form analysis videos on The Shining and the Blaire Witch Project and The Thing, all of em, love em! Great stuff, thanks! And happy new year to you too, Mr. Ager!
This ager dude's a fuckin bully. just seems like a bad guy
@@Kyle_Riel Lol, how so?
I have a more simplistic reasoning for the heart beat and creepy music over Halloran’s scene: to indicate the connection that Danny had made with Halloran and him leading him back to help him. Was that Danny’s heartbeat the entire time? Even when Jack is in 237, that is Danny’s heartbeat as he “sees” what his father is seeing through the Shine. Danny never leaves the bedroom yet is all-seeing. Danny is shining the hotel’s murderous intention and when it gets consummated through Jack, Danny screams, knowing what’s happening because of his gift. Interestingly, that heart-beat never races…
The music was just preluding to his soon to be death
I always thought heartbeats meant Danny or Halloran were Shining with someone/something.
Nice. That heartbeat never races is a great point. Danny wasn't afraid of Jack, not even when being chased in the maze with an axe, Danny was lucid and making calculations
The heartbeat never racing in Room 237 I consider to be part of the paradigm of the whole scene being a dream sequence of Danny's. What's he dreaming about? See my vid Danny's Ordeal :)
I always thought the heartbeat was the representation of the hotel being alive, replacing the furnace in the book, halloran having the same ability or connection to sense it stirring is what spurs him to go to the overlook.
I thought the horror music was playing when he was on the plane, because Halloran had the ability to shine, he knew what he was getting himself in for. He knew of the horrors that await. Love your work Rob. Understanding subliminal and the broader elements of media production have help me greatly throughout my life since I found you 10 years ago. Best wishes.
yeah i felt like it was him knowing he could prob die and he was getting himself ready for anything but even he didn't see his death coming lol
I think the music in the plane scene was meant match Halloran’s anxiety.
Yes, and the stewardess with the pointless dialogue paralleling the hag. I think it was likely on purpose.
Hey Collative Learning, I'd like to know if you think this is a coincidence:
1) The actress who plays the young woman in the bathtub is named Lia Beldam.
2) The word 'beldam' is an archaic word meaning "a malicious and ugly woman, especially an old one; a witch"
It's also an anagram for 'bedlam' - a mad house.
I thought it meant "beautiful mother" -- as in 'belle' + 'dame' -- 'beldam' being an English shortened version of a French original.
@@patricktilton5377 all 3 could describe everything about the scene and the duality of her character to danny. Also, that actress is from Switzerland, only appeared for like one scene, and has no other acting credits or involvement credits in film or tv. I think considering the amount of paintings with names that seem deliberately topical, etc. it is likely Kubrick cast her deliberately.
Fun fact: I lived in Florida at the time the movie came out, and the news program intro is a real one from a Miami TV station of the time. Glenn Rinker was the actual news anchor for the channel. He later moved north to Orlando and served as an anchor there for a few years, too.
I read that. Also the radio news while Dick’s driving is an actual CO station. Come to think of it the news that Wendy is watching is an actual CO station.
@@victoryak86 I think Kubrick did those things to give the film greater verisimilitude for people who actually live in or visited those areas. Fictitious news/radio stations might have pulled them out of the sense of immersion he was after. Kubrick didn't do "realism" per se, but he used it as a tool to help sell the more fantastical (or stylized/surreal) elements of his films.
I always thought he felt something, looked behind him for the Shine, and then he caught the stewardesses attention by chance. Like waving off a chill, he asks the question to snap back to reality. Nice take, Rob I never thought of the hag.
Asking a question to snap back to reality after feeling something behind him is a nice take
Yep, it is Danny's thoughts starting to reach him as he gets closer
I always felt like halloran traveling scenes were meant to be a representation of time loss and disassociation, as if he was not present in those moments. Rather he was in a dream like vision the whole time. He couldn't have known about jack, or he would have defended himself so it wasnt halloran using his powers to "see" danny and the hotel. If anything, it was the hotel obscuring jack from him so that he would be caught in an ambush. danny never asked for help, he never called, and any instance of him trying to communicate with the shining is never actually said what he was doing so halloran decided on his own to check up on the hotel (obviously he knew they were in trouble and may have had some ability to see that in his mind, but he didnt see why they were in trouble). His body language is tense, but not panicked as if he was spooked by the state of the hotel, but there wasn't that much out of place to tip him off, he never expected (another) murder let alone an attack against his life the second he got to the door. For that matter how did jack know he was there? Jack was busy being murderous for a while and had no way of using the shining to "See" halloran, meaning the ambush was set up by someone else, and the only character that would want halloran dead would be the hotel itself. The heartbeat feels more like it is anticipating something like a predator, rather than being panicked or afraid, so I would say the heartbeat is from the hotel (like the furnace in the book) it personifies what is happening narratively. The pacing, and cinematography also helps lower the guard of the viewer. Up until that point the movie had been crazy crazy nonstop crazy for over an hour, these scenes serve a double purpose of both setting up a sense of dread but also conveying that halloran isn't really in possession of all of his faculties, aka he is "blind" to the danger just like he is "time blind" while traveling. He also asks for the time from the stewardess, which he would never need to do unless he was unable to keep track of time for some reason. He looks uncomfortable, which I would agree with someone else who said it seems like that is because he was lost in a vision on the plane (and im sure others can agree that a long flight is the ideal place to lose your concentration and just space out for several hours).
Jack hears him pulling up in the snow cat and goes off to ambush him, this is very obviously communicated in the film. Halloran doesn't really do anything to hide his presence.
The Shining is the gift that keeps on giving.
I always felt the creepy vocal music along with the heartbeat was showing that the urgency of the ghostly threat the family was under was only intensifying. I thought that Halloran was asking the stewardess about the time because he felt his time was running short. I always felt that Halloran‘s journey to the hotel was almost a parallel to Jack’s in the beginning of the movie only it was a lot heavier and more intense. Also, when Halloran arrives, the vocals are at their highest, which I think means the threat is at its peak.
The hostess doesn't have short hair. It's in a ponytail. It's tucked into her uniform, not hanging out, but you can see it's tied back in a metal clasp.
I’m wondering now, maybe, the similar music over both scenes is an implication that they are occurring at the same time. Halloran staring off into space on the plane, maybe he’s shining and seeing Jack and the old hag as it happens?
Something that is rather curious about the plane scene is that the plane in the aerial shot (the make and model is a McDonnell Douglas DC-10 by the way) is owned and operated by Continental Airlines. But when we see the plane landing in Denver, you can just see that it's switched to a United Airlines plane. Now Continental Airlines was a major U.S. air carrier that operated between 1934 and 2011. And who acquired them when they ceased operations? United Airlines. United Airlines have been around ever since 1926 and have become one of the big three American carriers. What an interesting coincidence.
It’s his shining premonition that something is happening so Kubrick probably just put it in as a sign to us
The hostess's hair isn't short, it's long. It's in a ponytail tucked under her shirt/vest uniform.
Fascinating observation. My assumption about the creepy soundtrack during the airplane sequence was that the music represented Hallorann’s ongoing psychic connection with Danny and/or the Overlook, the mind-to-mind communication of Danny’s terror or awareness of supernatural threat that impelled Hallorann’s urgent and dangerous trip west.
Your passion for filmmaking is always refreshing.
I could listen to you talk about The Shining for hours! So happy to have an upload today!❤
Yes, as a teenager who loved the novel, seeing Halloran killed was almost like a Psycho shower moment. We were totally stunned. (I type this at 1:21 so I have no clue what else you have. I thought you were going to bring up the crushed Volkswagen Beetle actually).
Halloran on the plane is clearly picking up more and more of Danny's fear as he screams out via the shining ability, I always assumed, thus the heartbeat and creepy aura going on....
Good to hear from someone Rob had in mind about the shocking death of Halloran. I didn't see The Shining at the movies when it came out but it must have been an intense one, or do you think some teenagers laughed? I haven't heard too much about original audience reactions. The plane scenes may be mundane but they do have a creepy vibe especially since the horror was really starting to amp up going into the final act. Also at the time was their controversy between Stephen King and Kubrick, or did that emerge well after the theatrical run if you happen to know? Thanks.
"They turned out to be completely unreliable assholes" - Scatman Crothers
Gets me every time😂
Yet another amazing detail. At this level you may even be tapping into Kubrick’s own subconscious, as it is possible the hag references were not even “intentional” on the part of Kubrick. But the way you’ve presented them here they are impossible to ignore. One can’t “unsee” them.
“Lia Beldam” appears to be the actresses actual name and not a stage name used for this film but a “Beldam” is another word for an old witch, I wonder if Kubrick chose her specifically for her name? The definition of “Beldam” is “a malicious and ugly woman, especially an old one; a witch.” what a coincidence if she wasn’t chosen on purpose for that role in part because of her last name!
Haven't had my fill of the shining content for a while. Thanks for uploading this
Nice spot. A lot of people talking about urgency and shining, but i haven't seen anyone mention the horror of having to hurry up and wait. The expectation of society to hold yourself together in public even though you are filled with dread, and the four hours of sitting still, behaving well on a plane, feel like a waking nightmare. Funny, but not while it's happening.
I find it kind of comforting, But that's probably because I was brought up to feel anxious if the situation was at all open-ended. On a plane you know exactly what's expected of you.
I never found the music over the plane sequence out of place. The music sounds like the Overlook calling out to him, or invading his consciousness, or SHINING, as he approaches his destination. He seems very lost in thought in that zoom out shot.
I like the idea of the plane scene being kind of a dream based off the plane on TV.
I also find the Dick scenes and travelling kind of nice. I like the disconnect. The dude at the snowcat rental has a nice vibe haha he always marked me. But i can totally see your point about them being bland.
A lot of shining coming from those airplane windows!
I've always thought of the heartbeat as the manifestation of the Overlook's shine
Further down the rabbit hole, the woman to Halloran's left is turning pages of her magazine in roughly the same manner as the woman in the shower pushing aside the curtains. And the color scheme in the plane is the same as that in Halloran's hotel room as he "shines" whilst watching TV.
Probably nothing, but it is interesting that Jack is reading a magazine (it turns out it's Playgirl) while waiting for his interview in the Overlook lobby.
I thought the same exact thing and was wondering if it was also the same issue of Playgirl that Jack was casually reading. I know that would be weird to be reading Playgirl next to someone on a plane, but Jack was reading the copy he had on a freak'n job interview as his future boss walked up, soooo.....I don't know....like you said, it's probably nothing, but I heard that Stanley Kubrick never left anything to chance...They do say that the articles are supposed to be really good ;-).....@@davidlean1060
@@davidlean1060It’s a very specific issue of Playgirl that implies a hidden theme in the movie! Rob did a video on it - something about Jack being an abusive father.
That's what I am refering to, yes ;) What I'm suggesting is every magazine in the movie has to be at least considered since that scene in the lobby has significance. @@RubUOutC
I watched 2001 the other day and saw a resemblance between the rogue pod in space (which supposedly kills Frank) and the hag here at 1:21.
Both come directly towards the camera, arms outstretched, in a malevolent fashion.
Damn that Stanley and his constant referencing of his own films!
I hadn't noticed the similar posture before.
Thiink you're crediting too much to Kubrick. It's his connection to Danny that necessitates Kubrick's music cue between the characters
It's called "Impending Doom"
- used in thousands of movies.
He's also flying on a DC-10, which is already a terrifying, especially in that era.
The thing I found weirdly coincidental is that in the aerial shot, its a Continental Airlines plane. But when we see it landing, its a United Airlines plane. United Airlines bought Continental Airlines in 2011.
Did you hear the human scream as the plane lands?
Now that is just so funny , Mr , Rob Ager , during the last several seconds of this video you quoted Jack Nicholson as Jack Torrance chapter & verse !!! " You're distracting me , so then it will take me time to get back to where I was " !!! I loved it !!!
If it’s Kubrick, then it’s intentional. Genius.
Do you think quantum computers will be able to calculate how many times Rob has watched The Shining?😊
I always presumed that when someone who can shine, shines, the music we hear is the signature for that. Halloran is picking up Danny's shining, thus the need to travel all that way to help. And on a totally different note, that stewardess looks nothing like the hag woman, ha ha :) Happy New Year Rob
I love u Rob!!!!! U're the smartest critic alive at this moment!!!
dude ur so close. Follow the blood.
Halloran is a thematic mirror of danny who can communicate the incoming bloodbath with him via the shining.
Halloran is lying on a green bed (the color of the maze) staring at a blood red communication device in-between two large shining lamps. Kind of reminds you of the elevator doesnt it? If the television is the elevator and we're on the ground floor (were the maze is). That would mean that the elevator (and blood) came down from the frame where the hag lives.
For reinforcement of this, the next shot shows the hag almost suspended in a bloody box above halloran in-between two large lamps. If the bottom of the frame cracked and the blood spilled out, we'd get the elevator.
So, with the lamp shining light at the back of his mind. He makes a call using his blood red phone.
He gets a ticket to fly on an airplane with a blood red stripe wearing a blood red shirt and a blood red hat.
He gets a blood red car (with a blood red interior) and gets a blood red snowcat.
Finally he arrives at the overlook hotel and walks into the lobby which is darkly lit with blood red pillars...
and finds Mr. Redrum.
Look at the panel behind the air hostess at 3:30. It's black even though the other panels aren't. It doesn't seem to be a pattern either because the panel after Halloran isn't black.
Behind haloran's head there is a black line going down. Maybe some symbolism going on there?
That's true - I had not noticed that at first.
Happy New Year, Robert! I've been buying your paid content off of Gumroad and its excellent. My most recent purchase was the analysis of Lolita. Much love to you, keep fighting the good fight! - Anglo Texan VenomousStare
Even thought I've still never seen The Shining, your pieces on it are really fascinating. I watch a lot of stuff about horror rather than actual horror movies. Although you're not the only one to have done material on the movie, you're a massive part of why I made the effort to see The Exorcist (1973) at the cinema, It blew me away.
I think you should watch it. It's different from most horror movies. Seriously epic and fun to watch. I'm only saying because The Shining used to be my favorite movie. It has only been surpassed in my mind by 2001 in recent years. Both are really one of a kind films.
oh please do watch it, even without the horror context it is such a good and beautiful looking movie. also the john carpenter horror flicks as the prince of darkness and the fog are so good.
Bro you need to watch The Shining, what is wrong with you man??
@@lukeshioshioI have a bit of watch list that I intend to seek out when i have time to give the movie my full attention.
Wear good headphones If watching it at home, the sound is very important.
The hag scene is a big build-up of anticipation (especially for Jack) that quickly leads to a horrible end.
The same can be said for Halloran. He gets a premonition, he goes through all these steps, there's this big build-up (especially for those who read the book) but it quickly leads to a horrible end when he gets an axe in the heart.
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The way you noticed this is interesting to me. Some people like to watch films closely and analytically in order to spot things the casual viewer wouldn’t. I think there is a lot to be said for letting a film wash over you subconsciously without thinking too hard about it. This way you can pick up on things without even trying to.
As far as I can make out, Rob didn't initially delve deeply into movies, even Kubrick ones. He noticed that certain movies kept him thinking after he had seen them and his film studies began when he tried to figure out why. He's advocating the same as you. Watch a movie, let it work its magic on you and if the film picks away at your brain long after, then there's a reason for it.
It's so true. My critics think I pick a movie and watch it looking for stuff I want to find. I don't. I just watch stuff for enjoyment. If I'm drawn back to a film (most I find instantly forgettable) and it plays on my mind for days after watching ... I want to know why. So I go back and watch more closely until that nagging itch of something undefinable finds a definition.
It was that gut feeling that made your work click with me. I had seen all Kubrick's other films before The Shining. I remember my first watch very clearly. I was mezmerized by how beautiful the film was, so it made no sense when my flat mate insisted the many 'continuity errors' were mistakes. You simply don't make a film with that amount of craft only to forget to tell a props guy to get typrewriters of the same colour! That nagged at me for years. Heck, in the making of, Kubrick even sits at a typewriter! Not only are there changing colour typewriters, Kubrick is drawing my attention to them!! Your work made perfect sense and now, when I get that gut feeling, I know it's because the director wants me to look deeper into the work. @@collativelearning
Agreed. I've listen to the audiobook every week for about six years or so. I always learn something new. I always start it when Halloran gets contacted by Danny.
@@collativelearningI have learned to respect that 'itch', as it were, since then too. I pay attention to it and frequently look for work on a film if I find myself drawn to it again and again. Recently, it was The Lighthouse that did it. Before that, strangely enough, it was Spike Lee's Inside Man. That's a very smart movie.
I also have a hunch that David Fincher's The Killer is far more interesting than it is currently given credit for.
Another transitional scene happens in that part of the movie. The camera walks up from behind Jack, while typing, in the Colorado Lounge. It's uneventful, but he is wearing the green shirt again. The same green shirt he was wearing when he was so rude to Wendy. Which may have been imagined, with the chair disappearing from behind him, and how he just starts typing after Wendy walks away.
The green shirted Jack Torrence has been writing a horror story, about a caretaker that goes crazy and at least tries to kill his family. He's there to outline a project, has the hotel scrapbook beside him. As well as an ashtray, with Marlboro Red's. The ashtray moves from one side of the typewriter to the other, sort of like in "Three Faces of Eve".
The red jacketed Jack has woke up from a nightmare, where he killed Wendy and Danny. Did Jack change to the green shirt just to go type All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, then, go put the exact same clothes on, with the red jacket? Probably not.
Does Jack even smoke Reds?
We see Wendy spark up a few several times throughout the film, including the scene in which Danny's ability is first discussed, as well as Jack's violent tendencies.
@@DistractedGlobeGuy Her pack, at the apartment, is not Marlboro.
Jack Nicholson smoked, but we never see Jack Torrence smoking. There's a scene in "Three Faces of Eve", where a psychologist's ashtray keeps moving around his desk, as he talks to Eve, and her other personalities. The purposeful continuity errors are there to get our attention.
Green shirted Jack is possessed, and in his mind is writing the story that played out in the Overlook (the caretaker killing his family, etc.) and when he awakens in the red shirt it was a nightmare he experienced. I don't think red shirt is possessed, I think he loses his mind due to the delusions he experienced in green shirt mode. He's actually almost begging Wendy for help as he loses himself to the delusions, or, possession, of the hotel. It's interesting to think about whether or not Jack could have been redeemed at that point, when he's struggling to tell Wendy what he dreamt about and is panicked and sweating on the floor. He clearly knows he needs help for that small moment, but what is Wendy supposed to do?
@@wesleyorange8133 I don't think Red shirt is real. None of the horror is real, just like Tony says, it's just like pictures in a book.
@@marzcapone9939 I don't know, I think he is real based upon his reaction to the nightmare. It's the only time we see any real emotion from Jack, most of the movie he's quiet and direct. He's genuinely terrified laying on the floor when he talks to Wendy.
I think those scenes were dull intentionally so we can have a break from the whole insanity happening in the hotel. It shows for a moment an adult (Halloran) who reacts to the situation in a comprehensive way despite being quite a weirdo in his own way or at least we might think so after the way he behaved in the beginning. It adds another layer to the narrative and in the end reinforces the sense of hopelessness of the main characters when the film cuts back to them. A risky move because it could make the hotel situation feel artifficial, but it works. (Rob, please reply!! I'm very interested in what you think of this approach.)
Your theory is interesting. It could also be said that this scene causes anxiety and hope that the hero of the film will arrive, but how would you explain the scene of Jack writing?
@@carlosmeelopatchen9773 Seems to me that Jack's writing is an expression of his limbo-like state of mind. The movie tells us it doesn't really matter what he writes. The whole plot already happened in his mind multiple times. It's not exciting anymore, it feels dull.
you are really overthinking this. lol. the music in the background of that scene is just to show how uneasy he is, as hes still mentally connected to the overlook through his shining connection with Danny...
Anxiety causes rapid heartbeat.
I love those traveling scenes, and I think it might work as a breather, after the horror of the Hag scene.
That's the best hag impression I've heard.
I always liked your theory that the Halloran section is either from Jack's book (hence the awkward writing and literal story telling) or we are 'reading' a passage in King's book. The overturned beetle in the car accident is the same colour as Jack's VW in the novel. Kubrick famously changed the colour to yellow. Your theory was the overturned Beetle was Kubrick showing a bit of 'needle'.
who or what is "Needle"?
When you do or say something with a little spite or ill intent attached I guess. If someone passed a cloaked barb at you, you might ask if there was a little needle in the remark. @@trumpsextratesticle8590
Might be a stretch, but one could also argue in the plane scene that the two leftside windows with the odd dark wallpaper design evokes the Overlook elevator scene, and the blood-orange seat covers portend Holloran's (hollering?) death, with the passengers representing the hotel ghosts.
The odd dark plane section is definitely suspicious.
Love all your content Rob. I always enjoy getting to watch an in depth breakdown of my absolute favorite movies. You've truly changed the way I look at movies and film as a whole.
The scary music on the plane is just to establish that Halloran knows he’s heading into a dangerous situation and he’s already worried about it. But I like your synchronicity of the stewardess and the bathtub woman.
I like the scenes of Halloran travelling to the Overlook, especially his explanation “Larry, just between you and me, we got a very serious problem with the people taking care of the place. They turned out to be completely unreliable assholes.” And then the coziness of the cabin of his sedan as he’s driving down the road.
Very funny Rob!
( The subliminal parallels with the old hag is very interesting also . ) 😎👍🏾
There are no subliminal parallels with the old hag.
I assume it's something more simplistic like it's maybe a chronological cue like the music and heart beat is maybe to let you know that the tub scene and Halloran's plane trip are occurring at the same time. Simpler still, maybe Kubrick just wanted to add some cool/intriguing music to an otherwise slow story thread that's left out of the immediate action of the overlook.
Sometimes creative people do things because it looks and sounds cool. Believe it or not, that's the most common and important to creative people. We care less about saying specific things and information and place much more importance on whether or not it gives people emotion. Confident artists know they'll make it work in the editing room. But if you had this much planned out you'd lose your love for making art. Especially for kubrick because his process isc long. The most important thing for a creative person is that they love doing what they're doing. So always remember, when you hear people analyzing art, ask yourself, would this make the process better or less enjoyable? And you'll most likely get your answer.
I think the heartbeat is there with Halloran because fucked up shit is happening at the hotel plus it keeps suspense as to what is happening to danny. It could also be an SOS from danny
PS The exact spot halloran is killed at.... you ever notice what is there in that same spot earlier? Think it is during a jack ball bouncing scene.
All work and no play makes Rob a funny boy 👵🧟💓🎶
Also those two black models pictures were very popular in head shops in the 1970's.
Also interesting that the woman next to him, reading the fashion magazine begins on a white page, then opens up to the redish/flesh toned one right before the hostess shows up as well. I was a bit surprised you didn't mention that.
Keeping this one quick. Rest is for you folks to explore :)
Interesting how the ghostly howl appears just a second before the stewardess comes up from behind. Probably thought out beforehand by Kubrick. Great find!
I really think you’re onto something, even if perhaps a small suggestion.
The way the air hostess’ hair is neatly bound back behind her head, nearly completely concealing her ponytail makes her hair design seem all the more intentional too. As though Kubrick wanted her hair to match the hag’s at the last moment and the actress may have not wanted it cut willy-nilly, and this was the next best thing, his perhaps never even revealing even why he wanted it just so.
Also, the very fact his return journey is so closely included, it sure seems like Kubrick had reasons.
If it was any other side character, I'd think probably not, but Halloran has Shining also, so, like Danny, ghostly drama and connections existed with him outside the Overlook, and in his case, would have followed him home, and wanted him back.
Lots to ponder about this, for sure!
Excited for your work on the game! I've been looking into getting into game development myself and I think such a brilliant mind as yours will yield interesting results in whatever you create; I can already see that in your current project, very excited to see it progress! Happy new year!
At 1:41 it shows the outside of the plane flying with the sunshine hitting its right-side windows, then it immediately shows the inside of the plane with the glare shining in through the left side windows (which I would think should be in shadow since the sun is on the other side of the plane and only a dark "maze" of mountains is on the left). Also, and this is really stretching it, but is that a glass of Tang on the lady's drop-down tray table (the one reading the magazine)? Tang is found all throughout the hotel's kitchen area...
could be symbolic that halloran is already in the hotels trap. nothing is real, it is all a dream projected by the hotel. Our real dreams are conglomerations of details we see all throughout our waking hours, smashed into one ever changing vision. Having the same details in different scenes, or having one scene where the details keep changing indicates that reality is lessoning. Maybe as halloran gets closer to the hotel his "reality" aka his life is slowing going away too. Or it is pure visual trickery to instill a sense of unease, but the music does that already so who knows
Thank you for your comment-- definitely something to think about! I just love how many layers this moving has and how every time you watch it, something new stands out...or "shines" (ha-ha-----sorry, that was really bad)...Have a good one...🙂@@daveshif2514
Happy new year, Rob .... Every bit new content is greatly appreciated , especially at this time of year. You are erudite , funny and insightful and i look forward to 2024 and what you bring. Some of my personal favourite movies include the Ipcress File , If.... , Dead Man's Shoes , Performance and especially Withnail .... No idea if any of those float your boat but as i said , all your content is truly exceptional. A big thumbs up from Staffordshire 👍
Happy new year Rob, thank you for blessing us with your content straight away as 2024 starts!
Its actually kind of creepy how when the air hostess walks on screen you only see her hand come into frame first making it look disembodied or sometbing. Didnt the hag have outstretched hands?
Yes.
Sorry but... definitely no. The heartbeat sound is the shining turned on, by the time Jack visit room 237 he is shining like Danny and Hallorann. This theory is just too much for me, sorry.
What about the women in the pics in Halloran's bedroom? Foreshadows of the hag, yes or no?
Always enjoyable. It would be a good way for the film to go from one scene to the next. So making it flow better and maintaining suspension of disbelief.
Just wanted to wish u a happy new year Rob, love all ya vids, look forward to future vids, all the best
I'm sure you've thought about it and probably would be difficult to fit it into your schedule. But I think I'm not alone in saying that a Podcast of your own would be awesome. Maybe a place where you recommend some of the old classics and perhaps the odd new release that catches your eye and a perfect place for your collative archives episodes.
Happy new year.
Maybe sometime this year. Was gonna do it when I moved into my house a few years back but I don't quite have the space for it at the mo.
I saw a video that explored The Shining as the dark side of the Qabalah (Qlippoth). Each room in this theory corresponds to a Sephiroth. The maze and the seemingly endless hallways in the hotel are the paths on the tree of life (death in the Qlippoth) The young woman/hag in 237 is Lilith and 237 is the dark side of Yesod or the moon which Lilith rules. Interesting theory, especially because they explained that Stanley Kubrick was fascinated by Jewish mysticism and made a lifelong study of Qabalah.
If we were to entertain that idea, it would also explain the Apollo 11 imagery in the scene where Danny enters Room 237 (or "travels to the Moon", so to speak), without the need to invent some stupid narrative about _2001_ being part of a Pentagon cover-up after falsifying the July 1969 lunar mission.
I guess I always perceived the creepy music with Halloran was the psychic echoes, or an on-going connection with Danny after the initial blast he got in bed. He may have even asked the mundane question to the stewardess to get a break from his inner turmoil. Even just the fact that he is spontaneously travelling to something he knows isn't going to be very nice. To be honest though, I don't think I ever thought about it until now, so thank you for that.
Happy new year Rob!
I think your conclusion that the two pictures in Hallorans Room foreshadow the old hag in Room 237 is correct.
A while ago I stumbled upon this info: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matres_and_Matronae
Then I realized that the Matronaes had Afros too, which are a symbol for the Magna Mater, the great goddess of ancient times before patriarchy took over. It´s about the triple deity goddess.
The Afro is practically a giant egg that represents the female principle. Kubrick uses this image also in 2001 Space Odyssey --> the egg-like hat on the stewardess.
It´s also worth checking out the wikipage about Wicca, where one of the manifestation of the triple deity goddess is the "old witch" or "hag".
Happy new year, Mr. Ager.
Rod has ruined Christmas, again.😆😉🙂. Only ripping cos you are a scouser. All the best Rod and thanks for the entertainment.
Happy new year! Top notch Rob always a pleasure watching ❤
Happy NewYear, Rob!
I always took it as like some introspective thing that Holleran is thinking about room 237.
Rob, do you believe there is still more interesting, unnoticed material within The Shining? I hope so and watch very closely at scenes that are not considered important to the plot. I'd love to discover something no one has found yet.
Not sure. I'm preoccupied with many other subjects these days. This onw was a purely accidental observation in a casual viewing. I've got nothing new planned on The Shining except to one day finish my Strange Illuminations series on the film. Still got loads of notes for that.
Oh Rob! You’re hilarious…. That’s an incredible detail!
I actually thought the framed prints of the women in Halloran’s bedroom were inserted as a possible callback to the sexual imagery in A Clockwork Orange and Dr. Strangelove. I never thought that Kubrick wasn’t above adding little references to earlier works in his films, especially since if you look closely in the record store scene in Clockwork, when Alex is talking with the two ladies, you’ll see a soundtrack album for 2001 displayed at the counter. Also, the bathroom set in the Overlook ballroom looks somewhat similar to the furnishings of the space station in 2001. And maybe I’m reaching a little bit here, but the weird spatial layout of the Overlook, with its nonsensical rooms that don’t quite correspond with the architecture, almost reminds me of the cosmic “zoo” hotel room that Bowman found himself in at the end of 2001, where space and time contorted.
Halloran is a ferryman in that scene. He's traveling from the land of the living to the land of the dead. Even with his death, he provides transport from the land of the dead to the land of the living. I also wonder if his scenes are to show the mundane world that he is living in to contrast the supernatural world that has taken over the Overlook.
That's basically it, yes.
By this point in the film, we've been isolated in the hotel with the insane people for more than half an hour uninterrupted, so it helps to contrast the subliminal reality of the hotel against the surface reality of the outside world one last time before everything goes completely off the rails.
I always thought the spooky droning music was supposed to be Halloran's 'shining' firing off in his head, making him restless, which is why he asked for a time update. I'm not sure a visual reference back to the hag would even be necessary. Surely the image is so memorably f-ed up the audience wouldn't need subliminal reminders.
Happy New Year Rob! Always enjoy your perspectives. I would just add a couple of my favorite movie scores: Boorman's Excalibur and The Machinist, Roque Banos. Cheers!
Don't blame us for distracting you Ager! Blame yourself for putting a Kubrick film on in the background! Stanley is unignorable 😀
Anyway, I love the idea that Kubrisck created these subliminal details and it's taken over 40 years for people to notice them!
Did he somehow foresee the advent of DVD and the internet, as these are the only ways we could spot these details? *mind blown *
The sound & music in this movie are so perfect. Hypnotic as f.
I always thought the intentionally dull travel scenes were a good way to show that the hotel's evil was extending beyond it's own enclosed "universe" and was impacting "real life." I also figured the creepy music and heart beat while Halloran is flying is what he's experiencing internally as someone who can "shine" - that is, he can "feel" the hotel's evil coming to life and growing stronger but he can't tell anyone or DO anything about it until he gets there.
Couldn't you then suggest the evils lurking in the hotel could also extend beyond its enclosed 'universe'? Evils like the Hag for example?
@@davidlean1060 Sure... the hotel's evil is growing stronger thanks to the mere presence of Danny, so it could probably start to move beyond it's immediate "universe." Imagine if it "got" Danny permanently...
Nice. At least in the scenes you showed there is some set design mimicking: the windows of the plane are the same shape as the framing of the bathroom tub, and in the plane one panel on of the side wall is dark and looks like a curtain the stewardess emerges from. Halloran also has one curtain in his bedroom. Both in his bedroom and in the bathroom there are two lights on either side of the subject.
Any Rob video on The Shining, I drop everything and watch. Ever since first seeing the spacial anomalies video eleven years ago.
I got suuuuuper excited but then was just super excited when I saw it was < 55 mins :)
Brilliant!
If Kubrick's films are mirrors in themselves, in order to have scenes match from one half to the next, Kubrick would pad the film with scenes and shots that seem unnecessary but which makes the scenes he wants to mirror line up. He was a master in the editing room.
the name of the poster over the TV in Hallorans room, which I happen to know just because of movie analysis reasons , is 'Supernatural Dream' ... 😅
Nice Hag laugh!
Your Shining videos are great Happy New year 2024 Rob you're AWESOME.
Nice one Rob, always enjoy your videos....would've been great had the air stewardess and the lady in the bath been played by the same actress! Nice spot though, who knows if its deliberate or not
Halloran is psychic. He can feel the terrible emanations from the hotel. The heartbeat is giving us - the audience- the info that he is connected to happenings at the Overlook.
I've always noticed that the scene in which Halloran is in his pyjamas making the phone calls in the dark apartment, the light is shining through some slats or something which casts a visually striking pattern of parallel light-and-dark lines... which reminds me of the scene in which Wendy is ascending the staircase before seeing the bear costumed man, in which light is shining through the pillars of the bannister, which casts a similar stripey light/shadow effect over the whole area...
... this visual effect reminds me of the unsettling parallel-line patterns we see on the wallpaper of Room 237... and I also noticed a similarity between the pattern on Holloran's pjyamas, and the quilt/blanket on the bed of Room 237.
Anyone else see these visual similarities, and do you think it may have been intended to subconsciously invoke a connection between the scenes/settings??
The sinister music appears when Danny hears that Wendy wants to leave the hotel, when Danny is possessed by Tony, he is illuminated by the same light from the scene you mention.
Brilliant vid, happy new year
I feel the music is in Halloran's head. He senses something isn't right and Danny is playing a role in sending him a haunting message that can't quite be deciphered.