Fine because it has good missiles. You are not winning fights against j7e's or f14s, or most of the other top tiers. Enjoy Outtro: Kazben - Deep Sleep • Kazben - Deep Sleep
@@Alphonselle sorry what, it was developed by British Aereospace and the AV-8 was originally a joint venture (even tho the british got in, out and back in) so calling it an american plane is like saying that an F 14 tomcat build under license in Iran is an Iranian made plane ._.
From my (limited) experience in the harrier it feels like firing 9Ls from front aspect is completely wasteful and side aspect is a gamble. From rear aspect however, they're excellent, in my opinion just as reliable as Magic 2. Outstanding flare resistance, great range, and still maneuverable enough to hit anything.
Even the Magic 2, I refuse to use full frontal aspect cuz it’s so easy to flare. If you can wait until you get side, or rear aspect both are insanely reliable
Sometimes not taking full advantage of a chance is what cost you the dogfight though, the 9Ls actually have amazing front aspect tracking compared to other missiles I've used in the game and in the harrier it's not worth trying to get behind an enemy with its lack luster turn rate, this is why the SRAAMS were such a menace with the gr1s before they were nerfed as you could lock on from almost any aspect and (within 4000ft mind) track an enemy fighter like the US government tracked Bin Laden
If it didn't do it's little wiggle wobble dance it'd be a killer side aspect missile. The 9D and 9G have similar range and can pop targets 4 miles away with crazy pull and speed. But in my experience with the 9L, it does a little shimmy and completely trashes its effective range. I'm not entirely sure why but Gaijin has always seemed to struggle with making missiles that fly straight
I feel like the Gr.7 is the perfect attacker. Its in a high BR, so it doesnt bully sabres like the Su-25, it has good air to ground weapons. IRL an attacker would operate (ideally) far away from fighters, which leads to them being completely undertiered in war thunder. the Gr.7 evades that problem. Also, the Gr.7 is extremely good in SIM, its sneaky and can outrate a MiG-23, and ratefight and then VIFF a MiG-21.
This really feels like just a kinda fun option, not nearly as good as the F-14 or Mirage of course but 9L goes BRRRRR. I'm excited to try the paveways with my Chally when I get them
Got this thing the other day. Been enjoying it, not sure if that is because of the mediocrity of other top tier British aircraft. Nice to see a "top tier" British jet that isn't just a phantom, and is actually of mostly British origin
actually this harrier gr5, gr7, and onwards to gr9, is from US origin. base on Harrier II AV8b family designed by McDonnell Douglas. but yeah gr7 is interesting plane and good additional for british tech tree
@@nicholasnicky7909 You might want to re-check your sources, since McDonnell Douglas wouldn’t go ahead with designing a new harrier unless British Aerospace were willing to be apart of it, and since this aircraft wouldn’t be here with the original British harrier existing, I’d still mostly call it a British aircraft
@@nicholasnicky7909 The Harrier II in British service was designed by BAe, a British defence contractor. It takes design influence from the AV-8B but even the most obvious changes that the AV-8B made to the original design are different to those on the Harrier II. Saying the Harrier II is of US origin is not correct.
Development of a much more powerful successor to the Harrier began in 1973 as a cooperative effort between McDonnell Douglas (MDD) in the US and Hawker Siddeley (in 1977, its aviation interests were nationalised to form part of British Aerospace) The British government had only a minor requirement, for up to 60 Harriers at most and competing pressures on the defence budget left little room for frivolous expenditure such as the Advanced Harrier. A lack of government backing for developing the necessary engine of the new aircraft, the Pegasus 15, led Hawker to withdraw from this project in 1975. Due to US interest, work proceeded on the development of a less ambitious successor, a Harrier fitted with a larger wing and making use of composite materials in its construction. Two prototypes were built from existing aircraft and flew in 1978 (YAV-8B) In 1980, the UK considered if the American program would meet their requirements - their opinion was that it required modification, thus the MDD wing design was altered to incorporate the British-designed leading-edge root extensions. In 1982, the UK opted to become fully involved in the joint US-UK programme. Base on this fact. US has more initiative by building the YAV-8B prototype. in this matter i will marked as the origin of Harrier II design NOT harrier 1st gen gr1, gr3, and AV-8A BUT, in the process UK will modified the design for their own requirements. Like GR5 featured a stainless steel leading edge, giving it different flex characteristics from the AV-8B. its like Anglicised version of the AV-8B, lets say for Harrier II is join venture/program between MDD and BAE.
Omg what is it with people and saying its American... I tell you what will blow Americans minds is that the mustang was a British design and engine!! Even the North American industries jumped on and started making the 51's with the merlin engine soo... does that mean the p51 is british made in America? 😆🤣
For thrust vectoring I’d set it to 30 or 45 degrees to get that little extra degree per second. Setting it vertical actually makes it worse until you’re basically below stall speed.
Until we get a game mode that is not just a glorified TDM but actually something with a variety of objetives to accomplish for different categories of aircraft, some planes will just feel like they exist for the sake of existing...
This thing is 11.0 for a good reason. 4x9Ls, sh*t ton of countermeasures, incredible low speed acceleration and you can pretty much wipe your a** with anything in a dogfight with an exception beeing Mirage 2K.... Yeah.I love it. I was worried I will need to painfully spade it out so i can use it in ground RB.. hehe.. I never used it there because i am just having fun bullying Tomcats and MLDs.
Just a heads up u can use the thrust vectoring at about 30-50% to help u turn faster if needed without losing ALL of ur speed. Do it correctly and u can 1v1 almost anything in a true 1v1
Imho it's good that they put it at 11.0. They should also uptier the a10 and the su25, because they belong to that br in relation to what their actual job is. A ground attacker shouldnt have a lower br because it has worse air to air capabilities compared to fighters of that same br.
NGL I want this thing (crys in only rank 5 British and no will to keep going). I hope when they add the AV8B it is very similar with more countermeasures coz fuck em that's why
See British planes are rather unique, and take a particular mindset to use, it's not very conventional like the F14s, the Migs etc, that an it's a strike aircraft so not really designed for dogfighting, but it's a fantastic support aircraft I'd say
i like how thats nearly everything made by britian, everything is made for a specific purpose/roll, until the advent of semi autos british rifles were built for speed above all else with few exceptions, during ww2 nearly all british tanks were built for 1 specfic purpose and there was no real all purpose vehicle like a sherman or t34, then we have planes/ jets which are a whole new kettle of fish xD
The Aim9Ls aren’t made for head ones which is why u won’t get ur satisfaction from a head in kill, as a Brit and a RAF nut me and the boys play harrier the way it’s supposed to be played, and when we get into a head on we avoid the cannons and try to get into a 1-2 circle and use the thrust vector and get some fights in. I respect ur opinion on the Gr7 but for me personally since the Gr7 was piloted by my grandfather in the late 80s in the Royal Navy is a personal fav and I just play the game.
Solution: either put it at 9.3 with the frogfoot and a-10 as britains equivalent instead of pretending the buccaneer is balanced with those planes at that BR now it doesn't have air spawn or put the a-10 and su25 at 11.0 as they are all comparable aircraft. Gaijin could've done everybody a favour and put them all at 10.3
Trying to figure out what the laser+IOG means for the tracking on the GBU-24 Paveway III. Anyone know and how I can get the IOG part to work plz help. When the bomb is selected you can switch to a tv style view similar to the agm-65
gr 1 being within same BR range as gr7 is crazy balance choice. Outside very limited missiles it carries that thing is just a fodder. Not sure how this new toy will hold up or gets repairs sky-high.
Day 13 of asking to play the yak4 at 2.0 Start by a dive directly at q base that has another base clise to it ( 2 bases beside each other) 4 bombs for each Go straight to your base killing some ai on the way with your 7.62 Some planes will come on your back going in a straigh line with minimal evading is recommended and try to hit their engines with ur turret since they have weak engines a damaged one will lead them to crash i return to the airfield with 2 bases with 4 to 5 ai kills and 1 or 2 planes after taking off i go for bases if left but if not i will focus on ground targets cuz aa is the bain of this plane so bombing airfields is not recommended Bonus:do not forget to have smoke always on to piss the enemies 🤣
Ahh… well… you can drastically make your flight performance better, get better into dogfights and make a LOT tighter turns by turning your thrusters into the turn whil barley loosing a lot of energy since you can just get it back in a second or two because of the quick acceleration… just thought you didn’t do it justice there…
Did you just all the harrier gr7 a "american" plane? Is the canberra also an american plane? Also how cant you notice the diffrence between 25mm and 30mm aidens jesus its almost like you never played it
Ehm the GR7 is quite overpowered... All aspect and then this high missile load... You can outturn every jet with this thing when you use VTOL. No other jet has this high amount of flares and cheffs so it is one of the best jets in the game
why does brititan need two cas planes that have access to laser guided stuff and flir pod ? I mean not like other nations could heavily need something like this in their techtree...
The Jaguar was nowhere near good enough for Top tier, and the Harrier has finally filled that gap. However I do agree that nations like Japan and Italy could use a good Rank VII CAS aircraft
That Harrier Is More competitive than Kfir C7, i choose the Harrier all the year, poor Kfir Is the bastard son of top tier that plane needs two Python 3 can carry only two.
Yes the harrier is a American plane............................ Also using your flares like that doesnt work, if someone fires a missile rear aspect and aims the missile through the flares rather then recurving it it'll follow the trail of flares to your plane, drop them in bunches
same thing in the head on happens with magic 2’s, they see flares behind the target and go for it edit although it doesn’t happen as much and magic 2’s are a lot better
BRITISH***** plane. Wow my brain cell count is decreasing rapidly.
i actualy yelled british when he said that
It is technically an American plane, as it is developed from the AV-8B II and not the original siddeley Harrier.
American version is so different you can call it an American plane.
@@Alphonselle sorry what, it was developed by British Aereospace and the AV-8 was originally a joint venture (even tho the british got in, out and back in) so calling it an american plane is like saying that an F 14 tomcat build under license in Iran is an Iranian made plane ._.
I mean. You are right. The harrier 2 started in the USA. Then the British hoped on to the program
Yeah check the speed on those belts. They’re basically apfsds for your plane. The guns are nuts when used correctly
1400m/s HVAP rounds. Lead the target at 800 meters like you would normally lead at 300 lmao
From my (limited) experience in the harrier it feels like firing 9Ls from front aspect is completely wasteful and side aspect is a gamble. From rear aspect however, they're excellent, in my opinion just as reliable as Magic 2. Outstanding flare resistance, great range, and still maneuverable enough to hit anything.
Even the Magic 2, I refuse to use full frontal aspect cuz it’s so easy to flare.
If you can wait until you get side, or rear aspect both are insanely reliable
Sometimes not taking full advantage of a chance is what cost you the dogfight though, the 9Ls actually have amazing front aspect tracking compared to other missiles I've used in the game and in the harrier it's not worth trying to get behind an enemy with its lack luster turn rate, this is why the SRAAMS were such a menace with the gr1s before they were nerfed as you could lock on from almost any aspect and (within 4000ft mind) track an enemy fighter like the US government tracked Bin Laden
If it didn't do it's little wiggle wobble dance it'd be a killer side aspect missile. The 9D and 9G have similar range and can pop targets 4 miles away with crazy pull and speed. But in my experience with the 9L, it does a little shimmy and completely trashes its effective range. I'm not entirely sure why but Gaijin has always seemed to struggle with making missiles that fly straight
The 25mm are 1100m/s instead of the 710m/s of the 30’s so yeah they’re probably now the best guns in the game
Thats because it used the same ammo of the bushmaster 25mm chain gun
I feel like the Gr.7 is the perfect attacker. Its in a high BR, so it doesnt bully sabres like the Su-25, it has good air to ground weapons.
IRL an attacker would operate (ideally) far away from fighters, which leads to them being completely undertiered in war thunder. the Gr.7 evades that problem.
Also, the Gr.7 is extremely good in SIM, its sneaky and can outrate a MiG-23, and ratefight and then VIFF a MiG-21.
1:35 I make it sound like this happens all the time. It doesn't. I should've re-formulated that whole sentence xdxdddxdxd
This really feels like just a kinda fun option, not nearly as good as the F-14 or Mirage of course but 9L goes BRRRRR. I'm excited to try the paveways with my Chally when I get them
Got this thing the other day. Been enjoying it, not sure if that is because of the mediocrity of other top tier British aircraft. Nice to see a "top tier" British jet that isn't just a phantom, and is actually of mostly British origin
actually this harrier gr5, gr7, and onwards to gr9, is from US origin. base on Harrier II AV8b family designed by McDonnell Douglas. but yeah gr7 is interesting plane and good additional for british tech tree
@@nicholasnicky7909 You might want to re-check your sources, since McDonnell Douglas wouldn’t go ahead with designing a new harrier unless British Aerospace were willing to be apart of it, and since this aircraft wouldn’t be here with the original British harrier existing, I’d still mostly call it a British aircraft
@@nicholasnicky7909 The Harrier II in British service was designed by BAe, a British defence contractor. It takes design influence from the AV-8B but even the most obvious changes that the AV-8B made to the original design are different to those on the Harrier II. Saying the Harrier II is of US origin is not correct.
Development of a much more powerful successor to the Harrier began in 1973 as a cooperative effort between McDonnell Douglas (MDD) in the US and Hawker Siddeley (in 1977, its aviation interests were nationalised to form part of British Aerospace)
The British government had only a minor requirement, for up to 60 Harriers at most and competing pressures on the defence budget left little room for frivolous expenditure such as the Advanced Harrier. A lack of government backing for developing the necessary engine of the new aircraft, the Pegasus 15, led Hawker to withdraw from this project in 1975.
Due to US interest, work proceeded on the development of a less ambitious successor, a Harrier fitted with a larger wing and making use of composite materials in its construction. Two prototypes were built from existing aircraft and flew in 1978 (YAV-8B)
In 1980, the UK considered if the American program would meet their requirements - their opinion was that it required modification, thus the MDD wing design was altered to incorporate the British-designed leading-edge root extensions. In 1982, the UK opted to become fully involved in the joint US-UK programme.
Base on this fact. US has more initiative by building the YAV-8B prototype. in this matter i will marked as the origin of Harrier II design NOT harrier 1st gen gr1, gr3, and AV-8A
BUT, in the process UK will modified the design for their own requirements. Like GR5 featured a stainless steel leading edge, giving it different flex characteristics from the AV-8B. its like Anglicised version of the AV-8B,
lets say for Harrier II is join venture/program between MDD and BAE.
Omg what is it with people and saying its American... I tell you what will blow Americans minds is that the mustang was a British design and engine!! Even the North American industries jumped on and started making the 51's with the merlin engine soo... does that mean the p51 is british made in America? 😆🤣
It was really entertaining but more than that it felt like a good and solid breakdown about what to expect from this plane
For thrust vectoring I’d set it to 30 or 45 degrees to get that little extra degree per second. Setting it vertical actually makes it worse until you’re basically below stall speed.
Holy fk that long range gun kill, i cant even hit them if they were 400m away from me
Until we get a game mode that is not just a glorified TDM but actually something with a variety of objetives to accomplish for different categories of aircraft, some planes will just feel like they exist for the sake of existing...
U so rite
@@generalmarkmilleyisbenedic8895 milley committed treason. The real Benedict Arnold is pence.
"i don't play ground RB"
ok tanknood
me waiting on a japanese 4th gen fighter
That should be the f16 in which plenty of nations could use
Bloody weeks...
@@alphawolf1786 Japan didn't used F-16
@@_ghost_of_tokyo_2131 they use the Mitsubishi f2 which is the Japan version of the f16 you can literally look it up on RUclips
@@alphawolf1786 its not F16 version
I loved the part when joob said "its joobin time" and proceeded to joob all over the placr
This thing is 11.0 for a good reason. 4x9Ls, sh*t ton of countermeasures, incredible low speed acceleration and you can pretty much wipe your a** with anything in a dogfight with an exception beeing Mirage 2K.... Yeah.I love it. I was worried I will need to painfully spade it out so i can use it in ground RB.. hehe.. I never used it there because i am just having fun bullying Tomcats and MLDs.
I saw you use the thrust vectoring mid fight to get the nose over , very nice
Such a good looking jet though
Tbh I didn't even notice that this was live commentary. I don't see any problem with changing the format
Just a heads up u can use the thrust vectoring at about 30-50% to help u turn faster if needed without losing ALL of ur speed. Do it correctly and u can 1v1 almost anything in a true 1v1
2:22 Sorry to correct you, but this is the British version of the Royal Air Force with the insignia of 4(AC) Squadron on which my father served
it almost hurt when he said that lol
He is still partially right as the American AV-8B Harrier II is the basis for the GR.5, 7 and 9.
R-60m’s have also had that front aspect lose track shit. At least in my experience
nice video greetings from germany
Imho it's good that they put it at 11.0. They should also uptier the a10 and the su25, because they belong to that br in relation to what their actual job is. A ground attacker shouldnt have a lower br because it has worse air to air capabilities compared to fighters of that same br.
This. I'm personally for separate BRs for aircraft in ground and air RB let the A-10 be 9.7 in ground RB. But in air RB make it 10.7/11.0
You are getting so close to 10k subs😁
It’s the kind of jet that can’t carry on its own but can piss off phantoms a whole lot in 1v1s XD. Speaking from experience.
NGL I want this thing (crys in only rank 5 British and no will to keep going). I hope when they add the AV8B it is very similar with more countermeasures
coz fuck em that's why
Us won't get it until the f16 lol
just get a premium to grind the whole tree out if you can spare 50 for a game you enjoy its worth it
No it's not. Maybe in a sale.
See British planes are rather unique, and take a particular mindset to use, it's not very conventional like the F14s, the Migs etc, that an it's a strike aircraft so not really designed for dogfighting, but it's a fantastic support aircraft I'd say
i like how thats nearly everything made by britian, everything is made for a specific purpose/roll, until the advent of semi autos british rifles were built for speed above all else with few exceptions, during ww2 nearly all british tanks were built for 1 specfic purpose and there was no real all purpose vehicle like a sherman or t34, then we have planes/ jets which are a whole new kettle of fish xD
Love the vid man, when is next stream?
The Aim9Ls aren’t made for head ones which is why u won’t get ur satisfaction from a head in kill, as a Brit and a RAF nut me and the boys play harrier the way it’s supposed to be played, and when we get into a head on we avoid the cannons and try to get into a 1-2 circle and use the thrust vector and get some fights in.
I respect ur opinion on the Gr7 but for me personally since the Gr7 was piloted by my grandfather in the late 80s in the Royal Navy is a personal fav and I just play the game.
What about the Sea Harrier variant assigned by the British Royal Navy in the Falklands War?
never seen so much flares and just seeing them be mag dumped the whole game
Solution: either put it at 9.3 with the frogfoot and a-10 as britains equivalent instead of pretending the buccaneer is balanced with those planes at that BR now it doesn't have air spawn or put the a-10 and su25 at 11.0 as they are all comparable aircraft.
Gaijin could've done everybody a favour and put them all at 10.3
Trying to figure out what the laser+IOG means for the tracking on the GBU-24 Paveway III. Anyone know and how I can get the IOG part to work plz help. When the bomb is selected you can switch to a tv style view similar to the agm-65
The auto-flare is nice, but the amount of tunnel vision kills is kinda funny, a bit more strategic awareness tips would be good
gr 1 being within same BR range as gr7 is crazy balance choice. Outside very limited missiles it carries that thing is just a fodder. Not sure how this new toy will hold up or gets repairs sky-high.
BR compression at its finest
Want this plane so bad, but have hardly touched the British tree, hope to get an AV-8B next patch..
GR.7 is to the F-14 is like you Vs the guy she tells you not to worry about
"This is a America plane"
Day 13 of asking to play the yak4 at 2.0
Start by a dive directly at q base that has another base clise to it ( 2 bases beside each other) 4 bombs for each
Go straight to your base killing some ai on the way with your 7.62
Some planes will come on your back going in a straigh line with minimal evading is recommended and try to hit their engines with ur turret since they have weak engines a damaged one will lead them to crash i return to the airfield with 2 bases with 4 to 5 ai kills and 1 or 2 planes after taking off i go for bases if left but if not i will focus on ground targets cuz aa is the bain of this plane so bombing airfields is not recommended
Bonus:do not forget to have smoke always on to piss the enemies 🤣
Ahh… well… you can drastically make your flight performance better, get better into dogfights and make a LOT tighter turns by turning your thrusters into the turn whil barley loosing a lot of energy since you can just get it back in a second or two because of the quick acceleration… just thought you didn’t do it justice there…
Impressive gun leads
the sound of the flares every fcking seconds is so tilting
This thing fits into the category of the missile makes the plane. Not quite as well as the A-10 and SU25 but hey
In my mig23 ml premium, am I supposed to use chaffs or flares?? Which is better?
"i dont play grb" lets just ignore the sept 19 stream lol
Thank you for another great video! How can we support your channel?
Keep watching the vids i guess hahaha. I have toyed with the idea of starting a patreon though ;)
"This is an American plane"... you sure about that?
Did you just all the harrier gr7 a "american" plane? Is the canberra also an american plane? Also how cant you notice the diffrence between 25mm and 30mm aidens jesus its almost like you never played it
IRL high mach mattered less as missile tech improved as well.
Yet the AIM-9L hardly even compares to the missiles carried by the planes it has to face every match.
Aim9l are so nutty now
Me watching this in 2023 when this thing is now 11.7
Ehm the GR7 is quite overpowered... All aspect and then this high missile load... You can outturn every jet with this thing when you use VTOL. No other jet has this high amount of flares and cheffs so it is one of the best jets in the game
“This is an American plane”
Excuse me colonial you spear to be in error on this point 🇬🇧
why does brititan need two cas planes that have access to laser guided stuff and flir pod ? I mean not like other nations could heavily need something like this in their techtree...
The Jaguar was nowhere near good enough for Top tier, and the Harrier has finally filled that gap. However I do agree that nations like Japan and Italy could use a good Rank VII CAS aircraft
@@OiOi-Jim I agree, italy needs something even though I don't play them but they really deserve it. Harrier is perfect for them
Wait till you get a the American version which has pulse doppler and can fire amraams 😈
Probably get the GR.9 for the Brits as well then, both AV-8B and GR.9 could carry AMRAAMS
@@ziggy8190 ; GR.9 cannot carry AMRAAM, what you mean is the US AV-8B Harrier II Plus.
When you realize there are A-4E's (8.7) against 11.0's
Uhhh, no there are not.
@@_Joob4:02, right side, Iamthepotato
That Harrier Is More competitive than Kfir C7, i choose the Harrier all the year, poor Kfir Is the bastard son of top tier that plane needs two Python 3 can carry only two.
It’s 11.0 because yak38M is 9.7 😂
Also I thot everyone used the countermeasure series thing 😢…
Yes the harrier is a American plane............................ Also using your flares like that doesnt work, if someone fires a missile rear aspect and aims the missile through the flares rather then recurving it it'll follow the trail of flares to your plane, drop them in bunches
same thing in the head on happens with magic 2’s, they see flares behind the target and go for it
edit although it doesn’t happen as much and magic 2’s are a lot better
2:24 "this is an american plane" bro what?
Play it in Arcade Battle, I got 10 kills minimum each game. Until I run into those VPO bastards. And use ground belt, it has HVPT
missl gud
Hi
i am the one who knocks
Damn, muh ground attacker is not the best fighter plane at it's br, tragedy...
Sike 11.7 now
Return of the mute button 🙌
i still think magics are really good and a bit underated
Theyre not underrated??
Nobody underrates the Magic.
you know yester day i killed a harrier and a ja37d without anywing lol
I’m gonna be annoying and ask for viggen in 2022
I shot down 2 Harrier GR 7 in simulator battles using R60s once from side and another head on while he was taking off from carrier using SU 25K.
Please play f104 ASA amazing with missile update! My noob self does 2-3 k/d now!!!
Aim9-L x4 is my loadout of choice, avoid headon but it loves sides
Should have come to the US tt first
Cope
Brits should've got f35 in that case
1 minute ago, les go
bro you should really stop recording while you in discord, that is annoying af