You hit my sweet spot with tnis one Jordan. It was these Space Marine miniatures and the Rogue Trader book (loose pages and all) that made me fall in love with this game. Keep on this path, the development of 40k is fascinating. Great video 😊❤👍
Mk V also has that look because (per the HH novels) it’s more of an ad hoc, make-work solution to deal with supply line problems & in-situ repairs. It’s a blanket term rather than an official armor mark.
Excellent video! It’s something that I’ve been scouring back issues of White Dwarf wondering about for the past while. Especially the introduction of the MKVII armour. Which isn’t that well documented, which is weird considering how iconic it became. Supplanting the beakies completely in nearly every way by the end of the RT era. It’s also worth mentioning that there were three Death Eagle marine minis featured in White Dwarf 112 - April 1989 that appear to be some sort of early prototype versions of the MKVII armour. Though slightly different to the ones that would appear a little bit later.
I like the older marines being brutal weirdos. It's like the marines are a part of the Imperium that the Imperium would rather forget. The last of the techno-barbarians, with all the blood rites, barbarity and weirdness the larger Imperium prefers to think of as ancient history. Like techno-barbarians spiffed up a bit, trained to extreme standards to use advanced tech and held in check with oaths to the Throne.
@DotJus In most games of Only War, Dark Heresy, Inquisitor or Necromunda etc you don't meet marines. It's not about specific chapters in the game, but the idea of what a marine is.
I prefer them old marines as well....u know y? It kept the fascists away from the hobbie. The current portrayal of marines as these ruthless battle harned monks yet cool as fuck, is very easily weaponized by right wings fucks. Unfortunately. Back when they looked like space gorillas with comicly huge guns, the 40k satire was much clearer.
LE10 looks like a proto Mechanicum Thallax unit. Its fun to see where the inspiration came from for the ForgeWorld designers when they designed the Mechanicum range for the Horus Heresy
That was a lovely walk down memory lane! I still have the LE2 marine, power armour trooper and space skeleton in my collection. I think that Jim Burns cover was also the first time we saw dark angels in green, rather than black, but wouldn’t swear to it. Ironic that they later retconned the mark 7 armour as being post heresy. I seem to recall the random tables in Rogue Trader could result in Imperial Army in power armour. Sadly never appeared in mini form.
I'm always happy to see more videos on the history of the game's development. For my part, I find the multiple armour marks (especially with the Horus Heresy minis and the proliferation of brilliant third-party digital resin sculptors) to be an absolute blessing for conversion work. I have several veteran CSM squads made up in different old armour marks, and am currently working on a 1,000 point "nostalgia force" of beaky Crimson Fists; so hearing you talk through various bits I knew and fill in vital tidbits I didn't is a huge value your channel provides.
Fascinating video. Thoroughly enjoyable. I for one would love to see a continuation of the history of 40k. 2nd edition is where I started and it holds a special place in my heart, so much so that I’ve spent the last year picking up a 2e starter set and a full set of codices, rebuilding the collection that was lost in the Big Purge of my 20s (fool that I was). A deep dive of 2nd edition would be fantastic.
2nd edition is the best edition. This was when it was still weird and fun, and when it was still a game. 3rd edition was iconic, but this is where the company started pushing out game designers in favour of just making rules to sell toy soldiers. This was always a thing, but it became so much more pronounced as 40k became more of a product and IP than a game. And because I'm a weird old grognard who can't get over the past, I've been working on a retro-conversion of modern units and changes into 2nd edition.
2nd edition was all about the story you and your opponent told while playing. All the random tables helped with the narrative greatly. I enjoyed 3rd edition. It still had a little bit of that narrative tradition, but not nearly as much as 2e. They are the two editions I'd play anytime. Rogue Trader was a bit before my time. I've got a facsimile copy but I've never put much time into it. Each subsequent edition after 4th moved progressively away from storytelling and further into "balance" and tournament play, which doesn't interest me in the slightest.
Perfect timing, and nicely done video. First time I see someone put together the behind-the-scenes video about 40k power armor. The bit about how powerback was designed back in the day helps me for my power armor redesign(not restricted on who wears it, be it firstborn or primaris), the real highlight would be a powerpack that actualy holds your extra ammo, provisions and whatever else you need on the field, since it would be quite compact, you can use following combinations - 2 extra ammo modules(on top and bot), 1 jump pack(on top) and 1 ammo module(on bot), or just 1 ammo module(on top or bot). I'll check out what else is available here, this video was quite promising.
If you do a video on the 2nd edition of 40k, you must mention the gretchin models, and how they were a million times worse than lego bricks if you accidentally stood on them!
Amazing video! There are so many lore channels out there, but I’m more interested in the real life development of GW ideas, and this video is exactly what I wanted!! Thanks so much for all the research. More of this please…
The battle dress of Classic Traveller gives unlimited endurance. This has an important effect in combat, a character can only fight x turns in close combat before becoming fatigued. The armour system of Traveller is a matrix, but battle dress is very good at resisting everything.
Power armour also allowed you to survive various otherwise fatal squares, such as desert, in Talisman when it was introduced in the Talisman Timescape expansion set (alongside Chainsaw Warrior's equipment)
@@buggersgrips1977 Inquisitor was the most half-RPG of these specialist games, you could stomp around with a marine there. I can't remember what they kitted out marines with.
always happy to see when one of your videos drops Jordan keep up the good work. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge that you've gained about a hobby that's more than a hobby for so many.. for the Emperor brother
Fun fact: Mk1 "Thunder" Armour was actually the last mark of power armour to be designed and codified until the Primaris reboot required the Mk10. The designers couldn't think of any eay to make the armour look cruder than to strip away part of the "power" aspect of it.
I don't know if it would be a popular video, but the designs of the Imperial Guard regiments would make for something fun to watch. It'd be another opportunity to show how the design team were tread-heads and movie buffs back then.
A thing that you didn't touch on in the video is the real medieval inspirations that SM armor all share. Its not surprising that a company that primarily did fantasy miniatures would pull heavily from medieval references. The beaky helmet style was almost certainly inspired by houndskull bascinet helmets that were popular all over Europe in the high medieval pierid. The oversized solder pads are very probably inspired by late medieval jousting armors with large pauldrons that were meant to make jousting safer. Anyway fanatic video over all, keep it up!
The beakies, the beakies, the beakies are best! I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest! Where does Tony Stark and his Iron Man armour fit into the history of power armour? I think that's the first major experience I had of the concept as a kid, though that was in the '80s so the idea had been around for quite a while by then.
It's a great point, I had Mr Stark and his box of scraps in my notes, but ran out of time to dig deeper (though that doesn't excuse the omission!) Iron Man was first about in the early 60s so definitely in the pop culture mix
It was actually a 7 foot drawing of a space marine. The scale starts at 1 not 0. A lot of people mix it up and its one reason marines suffered scale creep...
I do recall a photo in White Dwarf just when the Plastic Marine box was released and one of them had the beaky nose snipped off and a crude respirator grille was sculpted in. I think that may be the origin of the later marines because the beakies were never popular with GW.
The Jes Goodwin life size Marine illustration is a bit of a weird one. If you look at his feet they start at 1', so although the scale says he's 8' tall, he's "only" 7' tall. I'm not sure why this is, whether it is a mistake or a deliberate decision to make the Marine appear to be 8' (maybe they didn't have somewhere over 8' tall to draw him or something). I have The Gothic & the Eldritch where that image was first featured and there's no explanation in there. If you ever interview Jes, maybe you could ask.
Yes it’s one of the reasons I loath the “primaris” direction GW took as it limits the huge back catalogue of amours to use. If they simply stated they were true scale I doubt it would have had much difference in sales, it seems an issue they completely self made. Just imagine a beakie in the newer moulds. Such a missed opportunity.
I have some of the old models like 4 LE2, Space Santa, chaos Santa, Chaos Toilet, Ch+ aaos Renegades etc.. Saturnine, Cobra and Variant C exosuits, a couple of Squat and Chaos Squat, Furibundus Dreads etc.+ a whole load of RTB01s
Good point - John Stallard and Bob Naismith both refer to them as such in Talking Miniatures, but I went with the more common contemporary name only because that's what I've most often used!
The Womble nickname is paid homage to in the Ciaphas Cain books where there’s a chapter who have a vaguely Womble colour scheme and who have members with names based on those of Womble characters.
Interesting that the early appearances of Mark VII Power Armour (the ICONIC Dark Angels picture!) feature on lots of Horus Heresy Era products, when, canonically, it only came out in the latter stages of the Heresy. Shows what a muddled up world the early lore was.
Jordan, I love your effort and being prepared to any topic.. I belive you could very nicely describe issue of similarities from Mutant Chronicles world and Warhammer 40K. Who have taken ideas from who? What are the similarities and differences. How that chronoogically was set?
I wish they had presented the Primaris armor as just another variant. It would have solved a lot of the trauma and arguments that occurred at least at my local shops. And then simply changing the statsfor Space Marines in the next edition and you'd have what are Primaris today, without having to have Cawly Stu come in and "do what the Emperor did, but BETTER!".
Back in the RT days, the pages of GW's books always separated from the binding and fell out. So my copies of RT and even the Realm of Chaos books just disintegrated eventually. I wish they'd re-release them, and not just for their stores.
I liked Naismith's original LE2 design. Didnt really like the direction they went with it after that. GW mostly ended for me as 40k took over. Still have my Space Ork though, decided to give it a repaint recently!
Terminator armour used to be a 3+ save on a 2d6 for a while. Terminator armour was chunky. A lasgun with armour negation -1 would knock both down to a 4+ save though. Marines did not like to slowly plod up over open ground.
@ironbomb6753 This armour system survived in Necromunda, like many other 2e rules. Necromunda was were you played with the old close combat duels. No one in the Hive wears power armour though. The Spyrers got some sort of hybrid half-powered suits with Batman gadgets. Carapace was still heavy for Necromunda. Terminators look extremely costly in that list.
I find it so interesting how they took their designs and then created fictional histories tying them all together, really great worldbuilding. Funny that they skip IX and go straight to X for Primaris, just like Windows 10 and iPhone X did lol. I secretly hope that one day they'll get bored of the Horus Heresy and move to the Badab War and introduce Mark IX to sell us cool new plastic marines......
Heinlein's suit is way more than a Marine's power armor, it's more like an ungodly spaceship. I think his real influence on 40k is the space fascism, although it doesn't seem like he was running satire.
"...also known as 'Eagle Armour'. It wasn't yet referred to as 'Aquila Armour', but..." I mean, 'Aquila' is just Latin for 'Eagle', so it kind of was. 40k just hadn't leant quite so heavily into the 'High Gothic' cod-Latin yet.
"Powered" armour is certainly grammatically cleaner. It without doubt means armour that has powered components. "Power" armour could mean that - or it could mean armour made of power, or armour that provides power (either magic/psychic or just electric - ie, you're a knight with a built-in battery) or even armour that protects against power. On the other hand, the history of the English language over the last few centuries shows a clear trend toward loosing syllables - today we pronounce "quickened" as "kwick-end," but in Shakespear's time it was "kwick-en-ed" - or even letters - "lite" is informal but completely legitimate American English at this point - so I think the trend from "powered" to "power" is, at this point, irreversible.
I think Space Marines lost something unique when they moved from savage killers with a few, vaguely knightly trappings but otherwise fairly smooth, simplistic armour; a kind of jarring mix of tropes that was lost in the move to more generic space knights in increasingly elaborate armour. Ironically, GW then decided to re-name things to more trademarkable, less generic phrases. Perhaps it could be said that they would have been better to stick with their earlier, rougher, but more idiosyncratic approach instead.
Jordan, please dont ever stop making these videos. They are so brilliantly researched and eloquently narated. Ill listen again and again.
I absolutely adore the mark 6 Beakie helmet
It's such a great design, they really captured something very quickly with that one
You have taste ...all subsequent Mark's are heresy....Be pure,Be Vigilant, Behave
Adding to the countless Dune influences in 40K, that original space marine concept is basically Sardaukar.
That’s a fair point
That dark angels captain with the big feathered crest is such an enduring early model. Wonderful research and presentation.
I love that you go back to the origins of these concepts in classic fantasy or sci-fi.
You hit my sweet spot with tnis one Jordan. It was these Space Marine miniatures and the Rogue Trader book (loose pages and all) that made me fall in love with this game. Keep on this path, the development of 40k is fascinating. Great video 😊❤👍
Really glad you enjoyed it, mate!
20:58 It bears remembering that this is also the WD cover that changed the Dark Angels' armour from black to green ^^
I would LOVE seeing you continue your work on 40k history!!!
Mk V also has that look because (per the HH novels) it’s more of an ad hoc, make-work solution to deal with supply line problems & in-situ repairs.
It’s a blanket term rather than an official armor mark.
That's in the 1990 article the video just terribly sumerised it.
Am I the only one who prefers the beaky space marine helmets?
Nope, back in 5th I collected as many as I could and had all my Sternguard Veterans with beak helmets
Yes
Definitely not.
No, you are not alone. MK6 is the best MK. It was those beaky helmets that really hooked me. ❤
Not at all! Count me in as well!
Excellent video! It’s something that I’ve been scouring back issues of White Dwarf wondering about for the past while. Especially the introduction of the MKVII armour. Which isn’t that well documented, which is weird considering how iconic it became. Supplanting the beakies completely in nearly every way by the end of the RT era.
It’s also worth mentioning that there were three Death Eagle marine minis featured in White Dwarf 112 - April 1989 that appear to be some sort of early prototype versions of the MKVII armour. Though slightly different to the ones that would appear a little bit later.
Merry Christmas, Jordan-san! 🙂❤💚
Thank you so much for the support, mate! It is greatly appreciated. Merry Christmas!
@@jordansorcery You're welcome and thank you too. 🙂
I like the older marines being brutal weirdos. It's like the marines are a part of the Imperium that the Imperium would rather forget. The last of the techno-barbarians, with all the blood rites, barbarity and weirdness the larger Imperium prefers to think of as ancient history. Like techno-barbarians spiffed up a bit, trained to extreme standards to use advanced tech and held in check with oaths to the Throne.
The beautiful thing about 40K is you can make up your own chapter of space weirdos just as you imagined.
@DotJus In most games of Only War, Dark Heresy, Inquisitor or Necromunda etc you don't meet marines.
It's not about specific chapters in the game, but the idea of what a marine is.
I have a feeling that this was kind of retro fitted for the Legions, especially some of those that turned to Chaos
@@LordoftheSith The marines as stoic monastic paragons or as ear-taking weirdos?
I prefer them old marines as well....u know y? It kept the fascists away from the hobbie.
The current portrayal of marines as these ruthless battle harned monks yet cool as fuck, is very easily weaponized by right wings fucks. Unfortunately.
Back when they looked like space gorillas with comicly huge guns, the 40k satire was much clearer.
LE10 looks like a proto Mechanicum Thallax unit. Its fun to see where the inspiration came from for the ForgeWorld designers when they designed the Mechanicum range for the Horus Heresy
That's a very good point!
Yep. A lot of the initial 30k models were heavily based on Rogue Trader sculpts. The Master of Signals, for example, is based on Brother Orinoco.
That was a lovely walk down memory lane! I still have the LE2 marine, power armour trooper and space skeleton in my collection.
I think that Jim Burns cover was also the first time we saw dark angels in green, rather than black, but wouldn’t swear to it. Ironic that they later retconned the mark 7 armour as being post heresy.
I seem to recall the random tables in Rogue Trader could result in Imperial Army in power armour. Sadly never appeared in mini form.
that RT Space Marine schematic qualifies for your recent vid on influential artwork. It is a gem.
Amazing video! Would love a vid on the origins and evolution of Chaos Space Marine Power Armour :)
I'm always happy to see more videos on the history of the game's development. For my part, I find the multiple armour marks (especially with the Horus Heresy minis and the proliferation of brilliant third-party digital resin sculptors) to be an absolute blessing for conversion work. I have several veteran CSM squads made up in different old armour marks, and am currently working on a 1,000 point "nostalgia force" of beaky Crimson Fists; so hearing you talk through various bits I knew and fill in vital tidbits I didn't is a huge value your channel provides.
Just bought my very first 40k miniatures and I'm getting ready to run a Traveller campaign. Glad to see I've got my hobbying on the right track.
Fascinating video. Thoroughly enjoyable.
I for one would love to see a continuation of the history of 40k. 2nd edition is where I started and it holds a special place in my heart, so much so that I’ve spent the last year picking up a 2e starter set and a full set of codices, rebuilding the collection that was lost in the Big Purge of my 20s (fool that I was). A deep dive of 2nd edition would be fantastic.
2nd edition is the best edition. This was when it was still weird and fun, and when it was still a game. 3rd edition was iconic, but this is where the company started pushing out game designers in favour of just making rules to sell toy soldiers. This was always a thing, but it became so much more pronounced as 40k became more of a product and IP than a game.
And because I'm a weird old grognard who can't get over the past, I've been working on a retro-conversion of modern units and changes into 2nd edition.
2nd edition was all about the story you and your opponent told while playing. All the random tables helped with the narrative greatly.
I enjoyed 3rd edition. It still had a little bit of that narrative tradition, but not nearly as much as 2e.
They are the two editions I'd play anytime. Rogue Trader was a bit before my time. I've got a facsimile copy but I've never put much time into it.
Each subsequent edition after 4th moved progressively away from storytelling and further into "balance" and tournament play, which doesn't interest me in the slightest.
Perfect timing, and nicely done video. First time I see someone put together the behind-the-scenes video about 40k power armor. The bit about how powerback was designed back in the day helps me for my power armor redesign(not restricted on who wears it, be it firstborn or primaris), the real highlight would be a powerpack that actualy holds your extra ammo, provisions and whatever else you need on the field, since it would be quite compact, you can use following combinations - 2 extra ammo modules(on top and bot), 1 jump pack(on top) and 1 ammo module(on bot), or just 1 ammo module(on top or bot).
I'll check out what else is available here, this video was quite promising.
Ah, found a new warhammer channel to binge.
Sick.
So much lore to assimilate here, so much to learn! And yet, I think I think my biggest takeaway is "Jerky Space Bastards" which I absolutely love. 🤣
Such in depth research, this is wonderful. Thank you!
Thank you for watching it, and for the comment!
If you do a video on the 2nd edition of 40k, you must mention the gretchin models, and how they were a million times worse than lego bricks if you accidentally stood on them!
28:08 Should be noted that the giant space marine illustration begins measurements at 2', not 1' - so the figure is 7' tall in total.
That's a great shout - hadn't clocked that!
You mean starts at 1’ not 0’
Heretical propaganda from the ruinous powers. :P
Your love of the IP really shines through :)
Amazing video! There are so many lore channels out there, but I’m more interested in the real life development of GW ideas, and this video is exactly what I wanted!!
Thanks so much for all the research. More of this please…
Very glad you enjoyed it, thanks for the comment!
New Jordan Sorcery Video? Day improved.
Another amazing video, some top research for this one too!
The battle dress of Classic Traveller gives unlimited endurance. This has an important effect in combat, a character can only fight x turns in close combat before becoming fatigued.
The armour system of Traveller is a matrix, but battle dress is very good at resisting everything.
Great video! Would definitely like to see some more history of 40k videos
Thank you!
Great video Jordan! More deep lore videos like this will be appreciated.
This is such a cool vid. more like these please!
Good timing. Was looking for a video like thid the other day but got only lore ones
Power armour also allowed you to survive various otherwise fatal squares, such as desert, in Talisman when it was introduced in the Talisman Timescape expansion set (alongside Chainsaw Warrior's equipment)
@@buggersgrips1977 Inquisitor was the most half-RPG of these specialist games, you could stomp around with a marine there. I can't remember what they kitted out marines with.
always happy to see when one of your videos drops Jordan keep up the good work. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge that you've gained about a hobby that's more than a hobby for so many.. for the Emperor brother
I would love to see more 40k content. You're doing an amazing job! keep it up!
You do such important work
Love these deep dives
Great video mate
Thank you
Looking forward to the oral history of the "Jerky Space Bastards" chapter.
EE "Doc" Smith's Lensmen books are epic.
i always thought it's not just about being powered, but about alloy that these armors are being made from.
@JordanSorcery The Mk.7 power armor you've got in your thumbnail is absolute BADASS!!!
Agreed!
Fun fact: Mk1 "Thunder" Armour was actually the last mark of power armour to be designed and codified until the Primaris reboot required the Mk10. The designers couldn't think of any eay to make the armour look cruder than to strip away part of the "power" aspect of it.
Loved this video. Thank you
Many thanks
I don't know if it would be a popular video, but the designs of the Imperial Guard regiments would make for something fun to watch. It'd be another opportunity to show how the design team were tread-heads and movie buffs back then.
A thing that you didn't touch on in the video is the real medieval inspirations that SM armor all share. Its not surprising that a company that primarily did fantasy miniatures would pull heavily from medieval references. The beaky helmet style was almost certainly inspired by houndskull bascinet helmets that were popular all over Europe in the high medieval pierid. The oversized solder pads are very probably inspired by late medieval jousting armors with large pauldrons that were meant to make jousting safer. Anyway fanatic video over all, keep it up!
Great video like always
Thank you!
Excellent work ⭐️👍
Cheers mate
enchanting as ever, continue
The beakies, the beakies, the beakies are best!
I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest!
Where does Tony Stark and his Iron Man armour fit into the history of power armour? I think that's the first major experience I had of the concept as a kid, though that was in the '80s so the idea had been around for quite a while by then.
It's a great point, I had Mr Stark and his box of scraps in my notes, but ran out of time to dig deeper (though that doesn't excuse the omission!) Iron Man was first about in the early 60s so definitely in the pop culture mix
It was actually a 7 foot drawing of a space marine. The scale starts at 1 not 0. A lot of people mix it up and its one reason marines suffered scale creep...
Quite right!
I do recall a photo in White Dwarf just when the Plastic Marine box was released and one of them had the beaky nose snipped off and a crude respirator grille was sculpted in. I think that may be the origin of the later marines because the beakies were never popular with GW.
The Jes Goodwin life size Marine illustration is a bit of a weird one. If you look at his feet they start at 1', so although the scale says he's 8' tall, he's "only" 7' tall. I'm not sure why this is, whether it is a mistake or a deliberate decision to make the Marine appear to be 8' (maybe they didn't have somewhere over 8' tall to draw him or something). I have The Gothic & the Eldritch where that image was first featured and there's no explanation in there. If you ever interview Jes, maybe you could ask.
I totally buy that this is an "our amps go up to 11" thing to make Space Marines seem cooler and bigger.
the forever war is one of my favourite books. each time he comes back to earth. its a scary prediction into our reality
It's a great story and it's a shame that it has been in development hell for decades.
I liked the Corvus and Mark VII armours. The recent Primaris variants, still undecided.
Yes it’s one of the reasons I loath the “primaris” direction GW took as it limits the huge back catalogue of amours to use. If they simply stated they were true scale I doubt it would have had much difference in sales, it seems an issue they completely self made. Just imagine a beakie in the newer moulds. Such a missed opportunity.
Sad face for the redheaded stepchild of power armour, Mark 8. Often forgotten and quickly skipped over, but nonetheless a thing.
This was awesome!
I'm glad!
I quite like the beaky helmets got an angry doberman vibe to it 😂
I have some of the old models like 4 LE2, Space Santa, chaos Santa, Chaos Toilet, Ch+ aaos Renegades etc.. Saturnine, Cobra and Variant C exosuits, a couple of Squat and Chaos Squat, Furibundus Dreads etc.+ a whole load of RTB01s
I have the top middle chaplain as well lol (410603)
Beaky is a later Americanism. At the time we called them Womble Marines.
Good point - John Stallard and Bob Naismith both refer to them as such in Talking Miniatures, but I went with the more common contemporary name only because that's what I've most often used!
Great Uncle Bulgaria sees you. He nods his head sagely.
The Womble nickname is paid homage to in the Ciaphas Cain books where there’s a chapter who have a vaguely Womble colour scheme and who have members with names based on those of Womble characters.
@ Reclaimers from memory, and they had a tech marine called Tobermory. I did enjoy Ciaphas Cain.
@@majortom7186 yep, that’s them.
Interesting that the early appearances of Mark VII Power Armour (the ICONIC Dark Angels picture!) feature on lots of Horus Heresy Era products, when, canonically, it only came out in the latter stages of the Heresy. Shows what a muddled up world the early lore was.
Yes! We want all the deep lore!
Glad to hear it!
Great work!
I do love this channel
Jordan, I love your effort and being prepared to any topic.. I belive you could very nicely describe issue of similarities from Mutant Chronicles world and Warhammer 40K. Who have taken ideas from who? What are the similarities and differences. How that chronoogically was set?
10/10 vid, Badger.
Un grand merci pour la vidéo.
I vote for a video covering the Dark Millennium box for 40K 2nd edition.
I wish they had presented the Primaris armor as just another variant. It would have solved a lot of the trauma and arguments that occurred at least at my local shops. And then simply changing the statsfor Space Marines in the next edition and you'd have what are Primaris today, without having to have Cawly Stu come in and "do what the Emperor did, but BETTER!".
Love start out no exposed cables, start doing it, then just like "nah that was dumb"
Had those c100 marines when i was a kid , thir loss is perhaps only eclipsed by that of my kaleb daark set......ah regrets
I am going to have to dig out the Spacefarers stuff now.
Back in the RT days, the pages of GW's books always separated from the binding and fell out. So my copies of RT and even the Realm of Chaos books just disintegrated eventually. I wish they'd re-release them, and not just for their stores.
They seem to keep rereleasing Rogue Trader, but unless you're British or travel, the Realm of Chaos reprints are off the table.
I think I had an LE2. I remember the studded paultrron and the bayonet.
Cool vid
For about 2 weeks I've been obsessing over why they changed the design so drastically from mk6 to mk7.
History!
Keep it up please.
Thx
I liked Naismith's original LE2 design. Didnt really like the direction they went with it after that. GW mostly ended for me as 40k took over.
Still have my Space Ork though, decided to give it a repaint recently!
Terminator armour used to be a 3+ save on a 2d6 for a while. Terminator armour was chunky.
A lasgun with armour negation -1 would knock both down to a 4+ save though. Marines did not like to slowly plod up over open ground.
Those were the days. Sigh.😅
@ironbomb6753 This armour system survived in Necromunda, like many other 2e rules. Necromunda was were you played with the old close combat duels. No one in the Hive wears power armour though.
The Spyrers got some sort of hybrid half-powered suits with Batman gadgets. Carapace was still heavy for Necromunda.
Terminators look extremely costly in that list.
Hi Jordan, I just wanted to let you know, I have not seen the latest Advent upload since 11, is something wrong?
The week got away from me with other work, but hopefully back on track soon!
@@jordansorcery great stuff, glad you are ok!
I find it so interesting how they took their designs and then created fictional histories tying them all together, really great worldbuilding. Funny that they skip IX and go straight to X for Primaris, just like Windows 10 and iPhone X did lol. I secretly hope that one day they'll get bored of the Horus Heresy and move to the Badab War and introduce Mark IX to sell us cool new plastic marines......
Interesting idea regarding badab!
28:39 SEVEN foot tall, without a 1 foot base.
11:32 oh no Chad is at it again
Jordilove continuing to amazing us....!!!
Heinlein's suit is way more than a Marine's power armor, it's more like an ungodly spaceship. I think his real influence on 40k is the space fascism, although it doesn't seem like he was running satire.
"...also known as 'Eagle Armour'. It wasn't yet referred to as 'Aquila Armour', but..."
I mean, 'Aquila' is just Latin for 'Eagle', so it kind of was. 40k just hadn't leant quite so heavily into the 'High Gothic' cod-Latin yet.
I’m happy to be on record with the controversial opinion that “Eagle” and “Aquila” are two different words
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You should do a blood bowl video !
Beakie is acceptable, but we all used to call em coneheads bak then :D lol
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"Powered" armour is certainly grammatically cleaner. It without doubt means armour that has powered components. "Power" armour could mean that - or it could mean armour made of power, or armour that provides power (either magic/psychic or just electric - ie, you're a knight with a built-in battery) or even armour that protects against power.
On the other hand, the history of the English language over the last few centuries shows a clear trend toward loosing syllables - today we pronounce "quickened" as "kwick-end," but in Shakespear's time it was "kwick-en-ed" - or even letters - "lite" is informal but completely legitimate American English at this point - so I think the trend from "powered" to "power" is, at this point, irreversible.
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I think Space Marines lost something unique when they moved from savage killers with a few, vaguely knightly trappings but otherwise fairly smooth, simplistic armour; a kind of jarring mix of tropes that was lost in the move to more generic space knights in increasingly elaborate armour. Ironically, GW then decided to re-name things to more trademarkable, less generic phrases. Perhaps it could be said that they would have been better to stick with their earlier, rougher, but more idiosyncratic approach instead.
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