Philip II | In Alexander's Shadow
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- Опубликовано: 19 мар 2017
- Alexander III is by far one of the most well known figures of antiquity however his success is due in large part to his predecessor who gave him the means for his greatness.
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This should have more views. I have always considered Phillip II and Parmenion to be the true architects of Alexander's greatness. Looking forward to watching the rest of your videos!
Thanks! Glad you liked the video, the next part should be out by tomorrow.
Aristoteles-Leonidas-Homer as well.
True Mask Games and you are wrong
True, Parmenion was by far Phillip and Alexander's most effective general with his heroic stands in Illyria and Gaugamela, loyal servant of Phillip. Sad he met a grim fate by the actions of his son.
True Mask Games I think it’s fruitless to assign a ranking to Alexander or his father - their greatness was both individual and joint. But since Alexander the Great tends to overshadow his father - who deserves equal billing - I both applaud this series and totally understand where you are coming from.
Thank you so much for this. To me Philip has always been the true genius behind the greatness of Alexander. It was his work that let Alexander do what he did and often his dad's Generals, especially Parmenion, who got him his initial success.
came from reddit, really enjoying the series so far.
Thanks for that, they'll be more on its way soon hopefully!
Phillip got what most fathers want, a son that used what gifts he gave him
After watching this again I'm excited to see the rest of the series. Hats off to you sir
The beginning of an unparralled expansion in probably the shortest time ever , maybe even than Mongols. Rome took centuries to expand that much. The rise of Macedonians from a petty kingdom to conquer the whole East, is something you might find in those alternative histories. What is even more astounding and interesting is that this came from the Greeks, a pretty much self sufficient people, living in their own world be it in the crowded Hellas or their colonies, having no real appetite for a true fully expansion other than establishing some colonies for reasons mostly mercantile and overpopulation.
There's a massive difference between the ancient kingdom of Macedonia and the culturally close city-states to the south.
And after the conquest of what we now consider "Greece" by Philip and his son, the Macedonians ever treated the "Greeks" as subjugated people. The fact that the city-states (which rebelled countless times) didn't get their freedom until the 3 Roman - Macedonian wars when they backed the Romans ( Cretan, Achaian leagues ) and even they themselves were subjugated by the Romans not long after.
Cause if Philip and Alexander were "uniting" the Greek city - states, then, why were the Greeks fighting for the liberty of "Greece" for over 150 years? The fact stands that Alexander didn't conquer the known world because his enemies told him to, but because of his own ambitions.
Even the "League of Corinth" which was meant for the purpose of liberating Asia minor coastal colonies had nothing to do with Alexander's ambition to conquer Persia itself, and funnily enough, Alexander still fought 50.000 Greeks there.
Greeks tend to say "modern Macedonians are based on the Paeonians" but they tend to forget that Alexander not only ruled over "Greece", but he conquered and stretched his empire as far north to the Danube.
@@Manchevo Macedonians were Hellenic speakers, followed Hellenic gods, they were just politically different and had cultural peculiarites.
Modern slavic Macedonians have 0 continuity with them, territorially, culturally, politically and linguistically.
@@g-rexsaurus794 The Americans speak English yet they don't declare themselves British right ?
You do know from history books that only the Macedonian nobility learned Koine (dead language just like Latin) but they still spoke Macedonians, and for that they were chastised by the Greeks for speaking a barbarian language ?
You probably also know that Herodotus, the greatest source of ancient history, declared "Thessaly is the first Greek land to fall under Persian rule" therefore excluding the kingdom of Macedonia which at the time (Greaco-Persian wars) was a vassal to Persia ?
Or lets go to modern times. You do know that Greece as an entity, a country created in 1830s by the help of the great nations (specifically Germany, France and Russia) is the greatest jumble of a mix of people in the Balkans ? Most Greeks look like Turks and you can even compare their looks to the Egyptians. It is in the 1950's that their government declared "no matter your nationality, you are all Greeks as of now".
Now let's look at the Macedonians, a separate geographical and geopolitical indigenous people that lived on a larger entity known as Macedonia that incorporates 3 parts, the Aegean sea (Solunica and around) the Pirini mountains (Blagoevgrad oblast) and Vardar river ( up to Skopje/ ancient Skupi )
Do you know anything about what happened to these lands and it's indigenous people after 1912-13 ? After the treaty of Bucharest ?
Have you ever heard of the Greek "Megali idea" or the "Greater Bulgaria" propaganda's and what evil they did just to preserve the lands they stole ?
Don't bullshit me with the "You speak Slavic therefore = Slavs". It's a lame one. It's 21st century.
Tell Greece to give the lands they stole back to the Macedonians that owned them. And when they do that, you will take a look at the map, see where the Macedonians lived for centuries throughout history and apologize.
@@Manchevo ...Look the evidence is conclusive across the whole world in the museums of ancient greek antiquity...The ancient macedonians were hellenes ...Slavs are slavs stop embarrassing yourselves with fake accusations ...
ruclips.net/video/N4l80tn4Qno/видео.html
This is what you get when you nazi the history...
Macedonians are and were Slavic, mighty kingdom and "ancient greeks" are nothing but albanian-like people.
Mixture of few races and had no culture to start on, just stolen things....
So stop destroying the history!!!!
Philippos II a Great Leader in GREEK HISTORY....
Maybe THE best.More significant than Alexander.He was the one who unified Greeks !
KYRIAKOS ZEIBEKIS Philip was Turk lol xD
@@eggshen6716 for some idiots like you maybe
KYRIAKOS ZEIBEKIS Alexander was Yugoslavian xD
@@eggshen6716 Alexander was Macedonian.... Macedonians was Greeks... Wash your face
Excellent series! Συνέχισε τον καλό αγώνα!!
There’s no Luke Skywalker without Anakin Skywalker.
Great videos. I watched them all backwards! Please make more. If you have a patreon let me know, I'd be happy to throw a few bucks ur way.
More videos are on the way, payment free hahaha although I am always happy to get money! Hopefully the next episode should be out in a few weeks.
Seems people really like this content, Is actually love to know what you love/hate about it. Maybe I can take it on board for the next episode.
Even Alexander magnificently arrogant and egotistical as he was, admitted several times his fathers groundwork laid the foundation for his success. He even uses the mens love of phillip and his successes to begin his Hyphasis Mutiny speech.
I have also always found it a tad bit too convenient that the moment Phillip controls Greece, has consolidated his power and is nearly ready to march on Persia, his son takes the throne in a odd set of circumstances. Alexander was very quick to eliminate threats against his rule as well, leads one to believe he certainly atleast knew it may come in the near future.
More videos...please.
Yo man can I transcribe this for an assignment plzzzzzzzz? (Love the videos Man ur channels gonna blow up)
Cheers for that! Did you mean you want to close caption the videos?
Subbed
Which I rarely ever do
Yeah he had a great dad. Augustus depended on Caesar, and Caesar on the foundations built by scipio and even her erstwhile enemy Pompey.
Scipio and Pompey yes.
Phillip II of Macedon..greater than Alexander!! Anyone interested in Phillip should read this book.
I’ll drink to that!
Jab5460 he did his great part very important...but greater than Alexander is propaganda to sell books
Alexander didn't do any better than many other Greek commanders he won because of his technological advancement and the tactics made by his father. Alexander only made a couple reforms in the army and that was because he had lost almost all of his money because he decided not to tax Greece anymore. When comparing his victories to those of Greek leaders before him you will see he didn't even do that well. Philip II made many important reforms in the army (reforms that were not reversed later because it turned out they didn't work later which is what happened to Alexander's military reforms), beat the armies of Thessaloniki which was called unstoppable and conquered many other Greek states that were just as technologically advanced as Macedonia. At the start of Phillips reign the Macedonian phalanx was weaker even than the Ilerian phalanx he ended his rule with the most powerful army in the world. Still it was not enough for Alexander not only because of his ambition but also because Alexander killed 70% of his own army by shitting over his own logistics.
ik but he took down the effing greatest kingdom in the world at the time. And regardless of Greek accounts of Xerxes “fleeing” , I doubt Alexander fought a cowardly foe. Consider these things: he completely eliminated and partially co-opted the greatest Mediterranean naval power - the Phoenicians of the Levantine under Persia. He subdued the Persian breadbasket of Egypt; he defeated not once, but twice, the largest power within 1000 miles who had time to prepare and in both cases choose the battlefield. Finally, within minutes of Alexander’s death, the Diodachi unsheathed their fratricidal knives and started warring over Alexander’s empire for decades while loyalty to Macedonia was shelved. Yet while he was alive, Alexander was able to channel those same personalities into an almost uniquely successful war machine.
Does Alexander deserve all the credit? Hell no! His dad Phillip should also be honored. But to lump Alexander with the typical Greek commander is ridiculous. Who cares if he didn’t introduce new tactical tweaks to the Macedonian Phalanx (though he did innovate tactically - but I wouldn’t call him genius solely on that)? His career made Julius Caesar - Julius Fucking Caesar - weep at the thought of how little he accomplished at the age Alexander died! Alexander should never be made a Saint but in the context of the Classical Greek/Mesopotamian/West Indian/South Central Asian worlds ... he more than deserves his “Great” - he was a freaking force of nature. But Phillip deserves way more recognition too, and I am grateful to Archaia Isturia for this Playlist.
you used to have a video showing you drawing on illustrator. if it's unlisted now, could you share its link please?
Kerem I had to delete the video sadly because it was stopping me from getting monetisation, the music kept getting claimed
I see. Why don't you reupload it without any music? It definitely inspired me to study some AI skills.
Kerem You know what, I’ll reupload it today with new music that won’t get striked
Philip is an underrated general
I learnt about Philip from David Gemmell's book Lion of Macedon. Great book and I highly recommend it.
In fact, all of Gemmell's stuff is great.
To be true, read Plutarch and others, the treasure of Macedonian kingdom was empty when Philip II died because of his all wars and his started campaign in Anatolia. For the rest i agree
Philip ( also a matter of luck) found great gold-mines, so even if they were empty i think there would still be gold in the mines to get resources. (In fact the area had more that they didn't find, now there is issue with American company in Chalkidiki wanting to use the goldmine but to use an environmentally damaging method with some damaging pollutants entering the soil, in an area of farmers, tourism, and very beautiful mountain with forests.
Filip created the Macedonian army, he concurred the Greece, he made Alexander general on age 16. Alexander was a crazy King, who was constantly fighting on the front lines, because of that bravery he was loved by his soldiers. In every battle Alexander used the old tactics, the same strategies that Filip was using, if Filip was not killed, he would have concurred Persia, he would had the same success like Alexander.
Didn't conquer, unified.
@@CcLouis119 ye right.
What territory did Alexander conqueror that was part of China?
I should've been more specific, his empire was bound between the Ionic Sea to the Indus River. Between those two boundaries his empire touched the boundaries of Modern China.
Archaia Istoria I see thanks for the clarification!
TheSocialMinds no territories in China but at its boundaries
There is another popular youtuber's video about Ancient Greeks and budhism. Look it up
Just found this channel. Nice
One would think watching and searching for Hellinistic period and watching hours of it would have brought this video up before. Shows what I know about the barbarians running RUclips.
I bet they wear trousers in their ignorance
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finally Philip gets some credit i feel so bad for the predecessors of great people
I mean I wouldn't feel to bad, Imagine what a shitty dad you'd have to be to look at your sons giant empire and be like "well basically I did all this."
@@juwebles4352 without Philips Alexander aint great soo yea credit still goes to him
@@yoghurtmaster1688 alright if you don't want to engage with my point at all good enough for you
Without Phillip there is no Alexander. Alexander is an amazing leader and general but his father's work allowed him to shine. I've always been fascinated with Phillips reforms taking Macedonians from goat herders to the military and political power in the peninsula in such a short time gets way to little credit
In my opinon Alexander would not be great if it wasn’t for Philip
I think their mutual greatness compliments each other.
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Finally *Zoomers* are showing some respect! ... (caugh).
alexander never made it to china, tf
He made it to the edge of what if today modern China's western frontier province of Xinjiang although it was not part of China until modern times.
you can be given a ferrari but if youi don't know how to drive it its worthless. Phillip gets his just due but if his son wasn't a great genius, then its worthless. Truly, let Alexander have his due. Look at the romans and other leaders. they had great armies and did shit about it.
Why do you think Alexander wanted to spread Greek culture and not Macedonian culture? Macedonians are not Greek. I understand that he wanted to unite his kingdom, but why not unite with Macedonian.
Because macedonia was greek 😉
@@wankawanka3053 On the contrary. Alexander's father defeated the Greeks in battle but decided to unite both Macedonians and Greeks.
@@BrianThomas😂😂😂😂AHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Ah Fuck it Macedonians were Swedish and Jesus was actually born in Denmark
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Among the Greeks there exist a common bond, a community of blood and language, temples and rituals and common customs. This expressed kinship between the Greek allies is evident and it stands in stark contrast against the references used towards the Macedonians who were addressed as foreigners. We have seen that Herodotus (7.130) speaks of the Thessalians as the first Greeks to come under Persian submission (although the Persians entered Macedonia first), and here using his own words, he clearly exclude the Macedonians from the Greeks. We are therefore, left with the conclusion that Herodotus did not consider the Macedonians as Greeks. "Both Herodotus and Thucydides describe the Macedonians as foreigners, a distinct people living outside of the frontiers of the Greek city-states" - Eugene Borza, In the Shadow of Olympus p. 96.
Now let's leave the greatest source of ancient history, Herodotus himself, aside. Not only that more and more modern historians consider Macedonia not to be Greek, but if you read history books from 2018, 1950, 1900 or even 1850, nothing ever aligns.
The fact that there have been multiple scholars and historians in the past 200 years who admitted to changing/inventing parts of the ancient history as we know it today, says it all.
If Philip and Alexander were "uniting" the Greek states, then, why were the Greeks fighting for the liberty of Greece for over 150 years? As history "tells" us, the Greeks allied themselves with the Romans (Cretan, Achaian leagues) in the 3 Roman - Macedonian wars against their Macedonian rulers who clearly treated them as subjugated people. And in the end, were they also subjugated by the Romans themselves.
Funny, I implore anyone to find me a documentary pre 1989-91 where Macedonia was treated as a "Greek" kingdom. Or even mention of Greece , name that was not known in antiquity.
But yeah, Hellenism ! The term invented 200 years ago by the German Gustav Droysen. Ask yourselves, "what has been done to ancient history in the past 200 years".
It is pity that we are arguing about something nobody is 100% sure about how it was and which is more than 2000 years old...
So i take it you're FYROMian or Albanian?
I'm Macedonian, the same Macedonia that was in ancient, Roman, Byzantine and Ottoman times. The same geographical and geopolitical Macedonia that was populated by the Macedonians until the separation after the first Balkan war in 1912-13 (With the treaty of Bucharest).
Macedonia doesn't belong to Greece and it never died prior to 1912. But in fact I can say that Greece belongs to Bavaria and was a state established in 1832 at the Convention of London by the Great Powers (the United Kingdom, Kingdom of France and the Russian Empire).
So again, I am Macedonian.
So i was right on my first guess.. That explains it all.. Pretty obvious really.
Thanks but no thanks I don't with to argue with ultra nationalist.
Good luck with your quest, you're gonna need it.
@@shaolindreams Well of course my friend. I won't let someone else decide what I am, right ?
You don't have to argue with me, but calling me "FYROMian or Albanian" and "ultra nationalist"... that doesn't compute well and you ought to expect my reaction.
After all, life is too short.
@@Manchevo ... Well it's not good English calling you a Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonian is it. FYROMian just means a national from the country you're from and you confirmed that's you... what's the problem.
Good luck with your futile mission Mr. Mancev.