Josh, first of all, thank You for your efforts. We have spoken before about my family homesteading Wyoming starting in the 1890's. Legend handed down through the family has it that You are spelling WSGA and Tom Horn wrong. It should be " A Bunch of Sorry Bastards " and " Miserable Cxxksucker ". Many people said Horn was a prick, My Dad said " That ain't so son, a prick is part of a man. " Best Wishes to You, Your Family and Friends.
Thanks for sharing Your efforts Josh. The algorithm automated censorship platform took down my comment. I'm sorry that the country i love doesn't honor the First Amendment any more.
If you've never had the pleasure of hearing Marshall Trimble, Arizona, State Historian, (I adore this man) here's a link to one of his Guest Appearances on: "Mysteries of the Superstition Mountains" Channel: He references: Confederates in AZ and "Joseph Rutherford Walker", (Mountain Man) , Timestamp 6:01 (so I thought about ya) Enjoy! ruclips.net/video/GWGj-ztfTNs/видео.htmlsi=P52AMt5VoUQV0t96 On the Channel's Playlist they have a Marshall Trimble folder with several great History Stories. Might be a good Resource for ya.
Hell yes!! Ok boys. The wait was long. Trust me I know. The medical system that did the biopsy got hacked and I didn't get intel till a few days ago. It is cancer, Squamous cell carcinoma. Chemo and radiation incoming. I can't tell you all what it meant to me to come back and see all the love a bunch of strangers poured on me. It moved me to tears. I love you goofy lot. Had a PET scan today. Results of that will give us what stage the cancer is at. I'll keep you posted. Thanks Josh, for creating this awesome group of people. Love you all.
Thanks alot hero, needed something new to bring up the fool moon this evening. Josh there will always be a spot next to the fire for ya. Motor safely stay moving
Thank you, Wild West Extravaganza for your generosity. Outstanding work with the video! Plus the humor was a nice touch. Anyway, I'm much appreciative.
Tom Horn is perhaps one of the most dangerous men in the wild west a lot of his murders were never mentioned. The ironic thing is he was hung for a crime he in all probability was innocent of. As a matter of fact he even went after and successfully killed men with charmed lives such as the black rustler I forget his name but he got out of scrape after scrape after scraping until he ran into Tom Horn. When they pay Tom Horn he was dedicated he said he would go days without eating. He said oh sometimes I would bring me a few eggs and bacon but he said there is many times I went days without eating. When I was on the trail I didn't stop until I got my man. Courses for is a gunfighter goes I don't guess he would get much credit most of his killings were done from ambush. Most of his victims died without ever knowing what killed them. No one on the planet no matter how tough they were back then wanted Tom Horn on the trail.
One of my favorite Americans! Thank you for finally doing an episode on him! Thanks Josh for all your hard work! JJ -South Alabama (born in the formerly beautiful state of Colorado)
My grandfather testified in the trial. He worked at Iron Mountain and testified about what time of day he saw Tom at the stable. Part of the defense’s effort to show Tom was too far away to have made the ride from the Nickel homestead to the Koble ranch. His testimony is mentioned in Dean Krakel’s “Saga of Tom Horn.
@@DM-w5o My Grandma died in 1995. A few years before she finally mentioned that her brothers knew Tom Horn. She had heard that they helped break Tom out of jail. I'm not sure how much is true. Grandma was too much of a lady to tell much of her family's past.
Men your videos are amazing and I really appreciate the effort you put into them. I hope your channel gets huge you for sure deserve it.anyways I hope the videos keep coming thanks
The idea that you could once hire an "army" of hired killers in the US is mindblowing. I once saw a copy of Two Evil Isms in a used bookstore. Kicking myself for not buying it since Pinkertons/Baldwin Felts versus cold miners is a topic that fascinates me.
Don't mean to argue, but with the Gangs all over the country, if you got the Cash, it wouldn't be too hard to find as many as a man could reasonably afford, and the desired victims weren't too numerous. Getting away with it, would be the real problem.
He sure doesn't look like a heavy handed killer. He looks more like a basic rancher with a few cattle, a house, and a wife. The eyes are distant and from the story, he is mental health degraded over time which normally is indicative of a traumatic childhood. Great stories, thank you!
@WildWestExtravaganza My wife just passed.And it'll actually be a year May 30th....im now all alone. .But these videos and your content has really helped me through a very difficult and trying time. I really appreciate you and what you do.
Tewksbury is definitely somewhere near Hobbiton. Actually the Tooks are from the Great Smials of Tuckborough, ruling Tookland in the Westfarthing of the Shire. 😂
The "JOHNSON COUNTY WAR" is just one example of many that our country is ran by the wrong people. In my opinion, money and politics are ruining EVERYTHING 😒
THE BEST channel on the net , hands down ! Gotta sponsor and ain't changed one bit . Don't , cause that's why you're here. Even willing to drop the occasional f bomb. Never change. Excellent narration . Love it until you say veery. It's very damnit! Lol. Give us more. Hope you're making a VEERY big pot of moolah.
Cheyenne is not accurately portrayed in the Steve McQueen movie. The domed, state capitol was already built, they had a beautiful, stone train depot, the court house was built and they had electric street lights. Not a one horse town.
My sometime great grandfather was around for the Pleasent Valley War. He wasn't a part of the family feuds, but they were sheep ranchers near Globe, where my dad was born. Apparently he and his brothers shot a Mexican man and took his coffee, or so it's said. My great uncle wrote down what his grandfather told him about it, being freighters for a time in Texas before going to Globe. Wish I knew how I could verify these things better.
If you have any tips in how to find out, I'd gladly take the advice. My dad's family moved up to Washington in the 50s, where I live now, so Globe is a bit of a hike. I couldn't even access records that are public in WA for Ancestry. Bit of a coincidence considering the plug at the beginning 😆
Look and see if Globe has a historical center. I'm sure there's a local historian or expert there who can help. If all else fails, call the local library and see if they have a genealogy department.
Something Tom Horn was probably familiar with, as well as a lot of other "lawmen" of the Old West. No one was ever "found innocent" at trial. They were found "not guilty". Not the same thing.
Man, i was born in the wrong time. I wish i was riding the plains on my trusted horse, sipping on campfire coffee chunky with coffee grounds (John Wayne style, baby), stopping in some one horse town for a whisky, and backhanding a surly bartender because i dont take no lip from surly bartenders. Ahhh, that would be the good life. Instead im sitting here in my undies, listening to this podcast, and dreading the fact that i gotta go to work later.
On the bright side you're not likely to die from a barb wire scratch or an Abscessed Tooth, not to mention a Gazillion and 12 other ways to Get Yourself Dead, that have nothing at all to do with a shootout with Rustlers, and a lot of Old Folks in their 40s and 50s died of "Old Age" To quote Conagher, "It's a hard country kid"
It's good of ya to explain but I'd bet there's not a soul who listens to you that don't know who the Pinkerton are. Thanks I've been waiting on this. Love your channel
The reason I say that Tom Horn was innocent of what he was actually eventually hung for. A teacher who knew the family very well said the family that they were feuding with his son had killed this man's son. She said I won't say anything unless they try to arrest Tom Horn for this because he never done it. The Nickels boy killed the boy not Tom Horn. The sad thing is everyone in town knew he did. Some men were saying Tom Horn unspeakable things he should be hung anyway well maybe so but the man that actually killed him or rather the boy that actually killed the 14 year old should have been the one hung for it. Supposedly there was a rock under his head which was Tom horns calling card. There's two possibilities there either he just by chance landed where there was a rock or the Nichols boy put a rock under his head to frame Tom Horn. Tom Horn must have been disliked because one time when he got out of jail he didn't know how the double action pistol works so he wasn't able to fire it and the deputy actually hit him so hard he broke his arm.
Back in those days, life must've been tough for a schoolboy with a name like "Tewksbury." "Hey, look fellas, it's a Tewksbury ! Let's get him and give him a Wedgie !" (Or a Melvin....)
The Tewksbury kids were all mixed as well, their mother was a Native American. Edwin Tewksbury, the last man standing, was oftentimes mistaken for being black.
@@WildWestExtravaganza I haven't sought this out but, in the last 3 weeks I was watching my nephew's baseball game in the park where Kit Carson is buried (Taos NM). Last Saturday I was at a funeral service at the cemetery where Virgil Earp and Henry Weinhard is buried ( Portland OR). Then today I was across from Tom Horns Grave. I might just have new hobby.
Thank you for saying everyone else was as it's similar in the okay corral shootout they accuse the McClure's and Clanton's of rustling. They were ranchers and they had dealings with the wrestler element that kept their stock safe. Something that the Earth's never mentioned was every small rancher back in or even large rancher usually had friendly terms with the rustlers. It was a different time a different place. I'm talking about holding the wrestler stuck at the ranch allowing the wrestlers to spend the night feeding them and everything else. The thing The earp Brothers were pimps and done other things that made them anything but innocent. Us 99% of the contemporaries in tombstone Tucson galesville anywhere if they liked the Earps or the ranchers better and they would all say the ranchers. And since they were contemporaries I consider their opinion more important than anyone alive today. Everyone loves Johnny behan and until the early 20th century go into tombstone and say Johnny behan was a lousy sheriff and he would have a lot of enemies wanting to kick your rear. He walked around unarmed which was rather common for sheriffs in those days they had deputies who were armed. The ranchers who the contemporary said it best murdered in the streets of tombstone did nothing more than every other rancher in the area did. I just think I needed to make that flame because there's a lot of hero worship of Wyatt Earp. He was a bully until he ran into someone he could not bully I'm talking about Johnny Ringo. Ringo embarrassed him at least three times and contemporaries of the time said Wyatt Earp actually turned Ringo down in a stand-up gun fight. Doc Holliday took him up on it but when the mayor jerk the gun away from holiday and ringo they both went their separate ways. It was odd they were willing to gunfight each other because doc Holliday liked Ringo and Ringo liked doc Holliday. One more thing and then I'll stop when Ringo was killed Wyatt Earp was 900 mi away and doc Holliday was 750 mi away. What does that mean that means that neither one of them could have possibly killed a sleeping passed out Johnny Ringo. I wouldn't put it past either one of them they just could not have done if they were simply too far away. Doc Holliday was seen in a saloon the day before gambling in Glenwood springs Colorado. Wyatt Earp was trying to get into Denver because he had a murder one he had to stay outside of town and wait until the decision was reached and was seen by countless people. And those days there was no transportation on God's green earth that can get you $700 or $900 me away in one day so neither one of them could have possibly done it. Buckskin Frank Leslie killed a sleeping passed out Ringo. That's what he told the guard and that's what happened. Ringo had made buckskin back down earlier they had argument. Billy brackenridge came upon Ringo on a trail Ringo offered him a drink, he said the bottle was so hot he burned his lips.they tried to get Ringo to go home with him saying he was practically helpless ringo drunk refused. About a mile or later Breckenridge came upon buckskin who actually admitted he was looking for Ringo. He claimed it was to apologize but Breckenridge did not believe him as he knew that Ringo had embarrassed Frank earlier in the day. He told the guard after he murdered his live-in girlfriend that he saw Ringo drunk passed out and sleeping and he took the opportunity to shoot him and take some hair as a souvenir all of which matches the crime scene. And I could go on and on about the vendetta myth but this video is not about that let me just say that the vendetta did not happen. All the men that Pete Spence Mexican wife named lived until the 20th century and one person she did not name as being in on the conspiracy was Frank Stilwell whom Wyatt Earp i and his band of cutthroats murdered. Sorry for going off on something that has nothing to do with this video I am very passionate about the false hero worship that contemporaries never had of Wyatt Earp
Pinkerton intelligence in the War of Northern Agression was notoriously inaccurate. They frequently overestimated Confederate troop strength reinforcing the timidity of Federal generals and leading to countless missed opportunities.
Tewkesbury is actually a town in a shire county, Gloucestershire...pronounced 'Glostershire' before you try to wrap your tongue around it 🙂 Another wonderfully narrated episode.
@@WildWestExtravaganza Thank you, Wild West Extravaganza for your generosity. Outstanding work with the video! Plus the humor was a nice touch. Anyway, I'm much appreciative.
I already know the answer to this but I can’t wait until you cover the alleged killing of the Nickell boy that got him hung. (I made a comment about this a while ago on a different post about how I’m related to the Nickell boy.) I can’t wait to hear it from your prospective and I’m eager to potentially learn any new information there might be!
@@WildWestExtravaganza Well based off everything I’ve read about the matter and knowing that Tom was known for essentially being a hit man I do believe he killed the boy (Willie) mistaking him for his father (Kels). I’ve read several articles stating that Kels had a feud with a Mr. Coble over the cattle belonging to Mr. Coble being on his (Kels) land. Which essentially put a target on his back as he was a small time homesteader “interrupting” the barrons way of doing things as you outlined on this episode. Of course I could spend a deal of time going into this but yes I do believe Tom Horn killed Willie. Though there is shaky evidence with that, but knowing Horn’s background I cast my weight on him killing the boy
I used to respect the Pinkertons, but I've learned more about them as I've absorbed more information and they did some really questionable stuff. Their willingness to essentially kill or shake down people for the right price is disappointing. Not only that but Allen Pinkertons tendency to tell the government that the confederate army was always bigger than the union army makes me wonder if he actually looked or just took McClellans word for it. Or even maybe he was sabotaging the union war effort but that's unlikely. Maybe he just was a nervous exagerator.
He was and was also there for the Surrender. There's a pic with Crook, Geronimo and Horn & others floating around the web, and I've seen it in several books, so I figure it's Legit
@wildwestextravaganza do you think people in those times just used the number 100 to mean someone had a lot of kills or did they mean 100 in the literal since because i lean to think as often as they say that someone's killed 100 people they surely are just using that number to let someone know this persons killed a lot of people
@@WildWestExtravaganza by the way you have a great channel with great content. By how informative and educational your videos are reflects on the dedication to the research and study on the topics you present. I was wondering though will you ever expand the topic matter like you always mention the civil war in almost everyone of your videos so I would love to listen to a couple of podcasts with you speaks on that topic and others.
I actually live in Tewksbury Massachusetts and that is a cool name for a family or town. The name is pronounced like ( tooks-bury. I obviously don’t care. I’m from Massachusetts so we don’t pronounce anything .
I Money Mike (they call me) I never rode with Tom horn,had a few conversations with him,he seemed like one of those know it all,he always bragged about himself,saying he could bring in Geronimo single handed.i stayed away from him
I love your videos, for the content you cover, and for personaliy, and presentation. Please, for your ow sake, ask someone how to pronounce words you dont know.
@@WildWestExtravaganza They got a lot more feathers than Meat, and it's a big No No. I learned too late, but I ate the evidence & Burned the rest. It was a Hard Winter & I wasn't Picky at the time, 50+ years ago, when I was making a living with my Saddle, but with snow knee deep, bucking out rank colts could get you both killed. When the snow melted, me and "Them Colts" was slinging mud in all directions
@ around 24:40 bothwell got all of ellen's cattle as well which beggers the question, who really was the cattle rustler here..??................... one version has bothwell going quie insane before he died, screaming for for his soul in vain as the unholy fires crept closer to consume his filthy spirit forever, what do yuo think there josh..?... truth or poetic justice..??.........................
Dunno, sometimes bad people live really long lives. But none of us will live forever, just a few decades, and we can’t take the land or money with us to the other side
You could have simply said the pinkertons if anybody's played Red Dead redemption 2 you know exactly what they're about... Hahahaha. You need to play Red Dead redemption 2 🎉🎉🎉🎉
I would be careful about giving any personal information to these groups that's supposedly search your heritage the government is all over that and taking many notes. Just FYI
With the exception of the Pleasant Valley war time, most of the pioneers couldn't shoot, during this time. During the eastern time in the east, they all were good shots. I use to wonder about it, but while watching 1883, the immigrants could not swim or shot. A shotgun was the best bet. As for I hate a thief, usually that gets said by a thief. Translation, as long as I stealing it is ok, but not you. Just a little old man advice. If you go in a business and see a lot of Crosses or Jesus is Lord, get out. More than likely, you are in the middle of thieves. People who follow the Lord, don't brag about it, they let their actions speak.
I am a Tom Horn enthusiast and I am enjoying the program. But, your foul language adds nothing, absolutely nothing to the work you have put into compiling the information, organizing and putting it into an interesting format. The profanity laced asides are not necessary. Thank you for this series and taking the time to read my comments. I hope we can agree on scrubbing the bad language out of the narration.
@@WildWestExtravaganza I refer to "your foul language" not the language used by the characters in the history. I am a student of history and teacher of history so I have read profane quotes and behavior in my study. We don't need to add to the profanity. Thank you.
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Josh, first of all, thank You for your efforts.
We have spoken before about my family homesteading Wyoming starting in the 1890's. Legend handed down through the family has it that You are spelling WSGA and Tom Horn wrong. It should be
" A Bunch of Sorry Bastards "
and " Miserable Cxxksucker ".
Many people said Horn was a prick, My Dad said " That ain't so son, a prick is part of a
man. "
Best Wishes to You, Your Family and Friends.
Thanks for sharing Your efforts Josh.
The algorithm automated censorship platform took down my comment. I'm sorry that the country i love doesn't honor the First Amendment any more.
If you've never had the pleasure of hearing Marshall Trimble, Arizona, State Historian, (I adore this man) here's a link to one of his Guest Appearances on: "Mysteries of the Superstition Mountains" Channel:
He references: Confederates in AZ and "Joseph Rutherford Walker", (Mountain Man) , Timestamp 6:01 (so I thought about ya)
Enjoy!
ruclips.net/video/GWGj-ztfTNs/видео.htmlsi=P52AMt5VoUQV0t96
On the Channel's Playlist they have a Marshall Trimble folder with several great History Stories. Might be a good Resource for ya.
@@bethbartlett5692 I love Trimble’s work! Thank you
Hell yes!! Ok boys. The wait was long. Trust me I know. The medical system that did the biopsy got hacked and I didn't get intel till a few days ago. It is cancer, Squamous cell carcinoma. Chemo and radiation incoming. I can't tell you all what it meant to me to come back and see all the love a bunch of strangers poured on me. It moved me to tears. I love you goofy lot. Had a PET scan today. Results of that will give us what stage the cancer is at. I'll keep you posted. Thanks Josh, for creating this awesome group of people. Love you all.
You got this Dale
Cancer sucks. Wish I had a magic wand. 34:58 One day at a time. Just found out my sister is terminal, it's all over her but the end isnt yet.
Much love to you! Screw you cancer! 🫶🙏🫶🙏
You got this man !!!!! You can kick cancers ass. Much love too you and many prayers
Bless you
Great research and storytelling.
Thanks
Congratulations on the sponsor. Been enjoying the channel for over a year.
Sponsor is better than a forklift
Amen to that
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Tom Horn. By, himself. One of the best books i have ever read.
He has a book? I'm going to check it out
Thanks Josh, love the stories!
Thank you
JOSH , deserving of that sponsor , these shows are an event at my house .
Thanks man
I haven’t been this early since I had coffee brewing for Lewis and Clark when they finally got to the pacific.
Haha
Thanks alot hero, needed something new to bring up the fool moon this evening. Josh there will always be a spot next to the fire for ya. Motor safely stay moving
Many thanks
Thank you, Wild West Extravaganza for your generosity. Outstanding work with the video! Plus the humor was a nice touch. Anyway, I'm much appreciative.
Thanks again
Thanks for what u do josh. I always enjoy it.
I appreciate that, thank you
Love to have some of the tack he made in prison .
Tom Horn is perhaps one of the most dangerous men in the wild west a lot of his murders were never mentioned. The ironic thing is he was hung for a crime he in all probability was innocent of. As a matter of fact he even went after and successfully killed men with charmed lives such as the black rustler I forget his name but he got out of scrape after scrape after scraping until he ran into Tom Horn. When they pay Tom Horn he was dedicated he said he would go days without eating. He said oh sometimes I would bring me a few eggs and bacon but he said there is many times I went days without eating. When I was on the trail I didn't stop until I got my man. Courses for is a gunfighter goes I don't guess he would get much credit most of his killings were done from ambush. Most of his victims died without ever knowing what killed them. No one on the planet no matter how tough they were back then wanted Tom Horn on the trail.
That black man was Isom Dart ' he was 51 when was killed by Tom Horn. In browns park
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Thank you Josh for the painstaking research. Horn`s life is an incredible story. Truth always stranger than fiction.
Thank you
One of my favorite Americans! Thank you for finally doing an episode on him!
Thanks Josh for all your hard work!
JJ -South Alabama (born in the formerly beautiful state of Colorado)
Love this channel
Thanks
Another well researched telling.... Thank you.
Thank YOU!
My grandfather testified in the trial. He worked at Iron Mountain and testified about what time of day he saw Tom at the stable. Part of the defense’s effort to show Tom was too far away to have made the ride from the Nickel homestead to the Koble ranch. His testimony is mentioned in Dean Krakel’s “Saga of Tom Horn.
@@DM-w5o My Grandma died in 1995. A few years before she finally mentioned that her brothers knew Tom Horn. She had heard that they helped break Tom out of jail. I'm not sure how much is true. Grandma was too much of a lady to tell much of her family's past.
Men your videos are amazing and I really appreciate the effort you put into them. I hope your channel gets huge you for sure deserve it.anyways I hope the videos keep coming thanks
The idea that you could once hire an "army" of hired killers in the US is mindblowing. I once saw a copy of Two Evil Isms in a used bookstore. Kicking myself for not buying it since Pinkertons/Baldwin Felts versus cold miners is a topic that fascinates me.
I think it’s available on archive
Don't mean to argue, but with the Gangs all over the country, if you got the Cash, it wouldn't be too hard to find as many as a man could reasonably afford, and the desired victims weren't too numerous. Getting away with it, would be the real problem.
I appreciate your work.
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It’s a cattleman’s paradise to hear Jake tell it. Sounds like damn wilderness if you ask me
Cows don't look at scenery, just Grass, or the lack thereof
He sure doesn't look like a heavy handed killer. He looks more like a basic rancher with a few cattle, a house, and a wife. The eyes are distant and from the story, he is mental health degraded over time which normally is indicative of a traumatic childhood.
Great stories, thank you!
"THE EAGLE HAS LANDED!".....another video!!!!
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@WildWestExtravaganza My wife just passed.And it'll actually be a year May 30th....im now all alone. .But these videos and your content has really helped me through a very difficult and trying time. I really appreciate you and what you do.
I’m very sorry to hear that
If only Tom Horn could figure out how to use a semiautomatic pistol, he might have escaped.
Tewksbury is definitely somewhere near Hobbiton.
Actually the Tooks are from the Great Smials of Tuckborough, ruling Tookland in the Westfarthing of the Shire. 😂
The "JOHNSON COUNTY WAR" is just one example of many that our country is ran by the wrong people. In my opinion, money and politics are ruining EVERYTHING 😒
THE BEST channel on the net , hands down ! Gotta sponsor and ain't changed one bit . Don't , cause that's why you're here. Even willing to drop the occasional f bomb. Never change. Excellent narration . Love it until you say veery. It's very damnit! Lol. Give us more. Hope you're making a VEERY big pot of moolah.
I’m still veeeery much broke but I thank you!!!
@@WildWestExtravaganza it's a huge club. Mucho thanks
Thx again
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Just as i had given up on today im sure josh has put together top notch history
Never give up
Reminds me of a color in book page my grandmother colored in was a frog in a storks mouth with hands around the birds neck. Never give up
Love it Josh
Thanks
Josh, could you do a program on Cattle Kate of Wyoming?
here, with 🍨 Reese's ice cream. Thanks!
Nice
Tom Horn was a stone killer for hire. That being said other killers, using his reputation, can blame him for their crimes
There was a gunsmoke movie where Matt Dillion had fight the Tewksburys in the range war
Cheyenne is not accurately portrayed in the Steve McQueen movie. The domed, state capitol was already built, they had a beautiful, stone train depot, the court house was built and they had electric street lights. Not a one horse town.
Tewkesbury is a nice town ! On the river Severn. Never seen an actual hobbit there, 😮
You're definitely an expert...❤
I wish
@WildWestExtravaganza i've been listening to you for a while.You're very thorough
My sometime great grandfather was around for the Pleasent Valley War. He wasn't a part of the family feuds, but they were sheep ranchers near Globe, where my dad was born. Apparently he and his brothers shot a Mexican man and took his coffee, or so it's said. My great uncle wrote down what his grandfather told him about it, being freighters for a time in Texas before going to Globe. Wish I knew how I could verify these things better.
If you have any tips in how to find out, I'd gladly take the advice. My dad's family moved up to Washington in the 50s, where I live now, so Globe is a bit of a hike. I couldn't even access records that are public in WA for Ancestry. Bit of a coincidence considering the plug at the beginning 😆
Look and see if Globe has a historical center. I'm sure there's a local historian or expert there who can help. If all else fails, call the local library and see if they have a genealogy department.
@WildWestExtravaganza I'll give it a try, thank you kindly!
Something Tom Horn was probably familiar with, as well as a lot of other "lawmen" of the Old West. No one was ever "found innocent" at trial. They were found "not guilty". Not the same thing.
Himself included
Politician....aka "crook". I'm freakin' dyin'🤣🤣🤣
No lies detected
Hey Texbro! Congratulations on the sponsor. You've earned it Sir. You're doing a hell of a good job.
Still hate you though buddy.
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"Bunch of Hobbits running around"
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Very good....
I’m trying
Do a video on Joe Medicine Crow, the badass WWII veteran. He counted coup, stole 50 horses, etc., and lived to 102.
I already did
Man, i was born in the wrong time. I wish i was riding the plains on my trusted horse, sipping on campfire coffee chunky with coffee grounds (John Wayne style, baby), stopping in some one horse town for a whisky, and backhanding a surly bartender because i dont take no lip from surly bartenders. Ahhh, that would be the good life. Instead im sitting here in my undies, listening to this podcast, and dreading the fact that i gotta go to work later.
On the bright side you're not likely to die from a barb wire scratch or an Abscessed Tooth, not to mention a Gazillion and 12 other ways to Get Yourself Dead, that have nothing at all to do with a shootout with Rustlers, and a lot of Old Folks in their 40s and 50s died of "Old Age"
To quote Conagher, "It's a hard country kid"
It's good of ya to explain but I'd bet there's not a soul who listens to you that don't know who the Pinkerton are. Thanks I've been waiting on this. Love your channel
The reason I say that Tom Horn was innocent of what he was actually eventually hung for. A teacher who knew the family very well said the family that they were feuding with his son had killed this man's son. She said I won't say anything unless they try to arrest Tom Horn for this because he never done it. The Nickels boy killed the boy not Tom Horn. The sad thing is everyone in town knew he did. Some men were saying Tom Horn unspeakable things he should be hung anyway well maybe so but the man that actually killed him or rather the boy that actually killed the 14 year old should have been the one hung for it. Supposedly there was a rock under his head which was Tom horns calling card. There's two possibilities there either he just by chance landed where there was a rock or the Nichols boy put a rock under his head to frame Tom Horn. Tom Horn must have been disliked because one time when he got out of jail he didn't know how the double action pistol works so he wasn't able to fire it and the deputy actually hit him so hard he broke his arm.
Hey, I’ve been to Globe Az.
Back in those days, life must've been tough for a schoolboy with a name like "Tewksbury."
"Hey, look fellas, it's a Tewksbury ! Let's get him and give him a Wedgie !" (Or a Melvin....)
The Tewksbury kids were all mixed as well, their mother was a Native American. Edwin Tewksbury, the last man standing, was oftentimes mistaken for being black.
I just was next to the cemetery where Tom horn is buried Columbia cemetery,Boulder Colorado.
Very cool!
@@WildWestExtravaganza I haven't sought this out but, in the last 3 weeks I was watching my nephew's baseball game in the park where Kit Carson is buried (Taos NM). Last Saturday I was at a funeral service at the cemetery where Virgil Earp and Henry Weinhard is buried ( Portland OR). Then today I was across from Tom Horns Grave. I might just have new hobby.
The Pinkerton 's in the beginning were the original Blackwater Security Company?
Only Not Nearly as well trained
Thank you for saying everyone else was as it's similar in the okay corral shootout they accuse the McClure's and Clanton's of rustling. They were ranchers and they had dealings with the wrestler element that kept their stock safe. Something that the Earth's never mentioned was every small rancher back in or even large rancher usually had friendly terms with the rustlers. It was a different time a different place. I'm talking about holding the wrestler stuck at the ranch allowing the wrestlers to spend the night feeding them and everything else. The thing The earp Brothers were pimps and done other things that made them anything but innocent. Us 99% of the contemporaries in tombstone Tucson galesville anywhere if they liked the Earps or the ranchers better and they would all say the ranchers. And since they were contemporaries I consider their opinion more important than anyone alive today. Everyone loves Johnny behan and until the early 20th century go into tombstone and say Johnny behan was a lousy sheriff and he would have a lot of enemies wanting to kick your rear. He walked around unarmed which was rather common for sheriffs in those days they had deputies who were armed. The ranchers who the contemporary said it best murdered in the streets of tombstone did nothing more than every other rancher in the area did. I just think I needed to make that flame because there's a lot of hero worship of Wyatt Earp. He was a bully until he ran into someone he could not bully I'm talking about Johnny Ringo. Ringo embarrassed him at least three times and contemporaries of the time said Wyatt Earp actually turned Ringo down in a stand-up gun fight. Doc Holliday took him up on it but when the mayor jerk the gun away from holiday and ringo they both went their separate ways. It was odd they were willing to gunfight each other because doc Holliday liked Ringo and Ringo liked doc Holliday. One more thing and then I'll stop when Ringo was killed Wyatt Earp was 900 mi away and doc Holliday was 750 mi away. What does that mean that means that neither one of them could have possibly killed a sleeping passed out Johnny Ringo. I wouldn't put it past either one of them they just could not have done if they were simply too far away. Doc Holliday was seen in a saloon the day before gambling in Glenwood springs Colorado. Wyatt Earp was trying to get into Denver because he had a murder one he had to stay outside of town and wait until the decision was reached and was seen by countless people. And those days there was no transportation on God's green earth that can get you $700 or $900 me away in one day so neither one of them could have possibly done it. Buckskin Frank Leslie killed a sleeping passed out Ringo. That's what he told the guard and that's what happened. Ringo had made buckskin back down earlier they had argument. Billy brackenridge came upon Ringo on a trail Ringo offered him a drink, he said the bottle was so hot he burned his lips.they tried to get Ringo to go home with him saying he was practically helpless ringo drunk refused. About a mile or later Breckenridge came upon buckskin who actually admitted he was looking for Ringo. He claimed it was to apologize but Breckenridge did not believe him as he knew that Ringo had embarrassed Frank earlier in the day. He told the guard after he murdered his live-in girlfriend that he saw Ringo drunk passed out and sleeping and he took the opportunity to shoot him and take some hair as a souvenir all of which matches the crime scene. And I could go on and on about the vendetta myth but this video is not about that let me just say that the vendetta did not happen. All the men that Pete Spence Mexican wife named lived until the 20th century and one person she did not name as being in on the conspiracy was Frank Stilwell whom Wyatt Earp i and his band of cutthroats murdered. Sorry for going off on something that has nothing to do with this video I am very passionate about the false hero worship that contemporaries never had of Wyatt Earp
He's been dead for 121 years, you don't have to say "allegedly"😆😂🤣
Pinkerton intelligence in the War of Northern Agression was notoriously inaccurate. They frequently overestimated Confederate troop strength reinforcing the timidity of Federal generals and leading to countless missed opportunities.
I love it.. thx.. ❤
Tewkesbury is actually a town in a shire county, Gloucestershire...pronounced 'Glostershire' before you try to wrap your tongue around it 🙂
Another wonderfully narrated episode.
That’s hilarious
I WAS ONCE A PINKERTON MAN. STILL HAVE BADGE. FRAMED WITH MY MILITARY POLICE BADGE. PEOPLE WHO LOOK AT THEM ARE AMAZED. WHY I DONT KNOW
I still don't know.
@@JoshuaRed-v4f lol. Me either. Thanks Mom
I've got nothing more to say on the matter pretty sweet series Tom was a bad man
Vaya con dios, Muchacho
Wet mountain.....right next to broke back mountain.... near nut sack ridge....
It may be hard but relevant photos would be cool 🤔
Real G's move in silence like lasagna- Lil Wayne. Nice reference
I'm surprised O.J. never blamed Horn for what happened to his ex.
Funny, I’ll be mentioning OJ later in the series
@@WildWestExtravaganza Thank you, Wild West Extravaganza for your generosity. Outstanding work with the video! Plus the humor was a nice touch. Anyway, I'm much appreciative.
Tom horn would have a great time today.
How come?
I already know the answer to this but I can’t wait until you cover the alleged killing of the Nickell boy that got him hung. (I made a comment about this a while ago on a different post about how I’m related to the Nickell boy.) I can’t wait to hear it from your prospective and I’m eager to potentially learn any new information there might be!
What’s your opinion on the matter?
@@WildWestExtravaganza Well based off everything I’ve read about the matter and knowing that Tom was known for essentially being a hit man I do believe he killed the boy (Willie) mistaking him for his father (Kels). I’ve read several articles stating that Kels had a feud with a Mr. Coble over the cattle belonging to Mr. Coble being on his (Kels) land. Which essentially put a target on his back as he was a small time homesteader “interrupting” the barrons way of doing things as you outlined on this episode. Of course I could spend a deal of time going into this but yes I do believe Tom Horn killed Willie. Though there is shaky evidence with that, but knowing Horn’s background I cast my weight on him killing the boy
I used to respect the Pinkertons, but I've learned more about them as I've absorbed more information and they did some really questionable stuff.
Their willingness to essentially kill or shake down people for the right price is disappointing.
Not only that but Allen Pinkertons tendency to tell the government that the confederate army was always bigger than the union army makes me wonder if he actually looked or just took McClellans word for it. Or even maybe he was sabotaging the union war effort but that's unlikely. Maybe he just was a nervous exagerator.
Thought Tom had become a scout for the army tracking Geronimo and his tribe for awhile..
Correct, I spoke all about that on the previous video. You should check it out and let me know what you think!
He was and was also there for the Surrender. There's a pic with Crook, Geronimo and Horn & others floating around the web, and I've seen it in several books, so I figure it's Legit
Tooksberry should be a kids cereal. Tooksberry Crunch, an 1873 Colt's SAA in every box.
Haha
Yaaaaaaassssss
@wildwestextravaganza do you think people in those times just used the number 100 to mean someone had a lot of kills or did they mean 100 in the literal since because i lean to think as often as they say that someone's killed 100 people they surely are just using that number to let someone know this persons killed a lot of people
I'm not sure of anyone who claimed to have killed 100 people but I do think the majority of the time those kill counts were highly inflated
@@WildWestExtravaganza by the way you have a great channel with great content. By how informative and educational your videos are reflects on the dedication to the research and study on the topics you present. I was wondering though will you ever expand the topic matter like you always mention the civil war in almost everyone of your videos so I would love to listen to a couple of podcasts with you speaks on that topic and others.
Excuse me, yall heard anything about any Pinkertons in this area?
Yeeeehaw MFs !!!!!
These stories are cool, makes me want to play RDR2 now haha
Why would anyone want to have their DNA in some database voluntarily? What a bunch of ignorance.
I actually live in Tewksbury Massachusetts and that is a cool name for a family or town. The name is pronounced like ( tooks-bury. I obviously don’t care. I’m from Massachusetts so we don’t pronounce anything .
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I Money Mike (they call me) I never rode with Tom horn,had a few conversations with him,he seemed like one of those know it all,he always bragged about himself,saying he could bring in Geronimo single handed.i stayed away from him
I don’t blame you
I love your videos, for the content you cover, and for personaliy, and presentation. Please, for your ow sake, ask someone how to pronounce words you dont know.
What’d I get wrong?
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Tewksbury does sound like a Hobbit name. There’s a true crime case in Tennessee involving for-real Proudfoot people.
lol - can I say I live in the shire where Tewkesbury is a town. Worcestershire.
I don’t see many hobbits but Tolkien was a local boy
nah g imagine all you do is have land some man want and you get people in 1997 throwing historical dirt your name. 24:12
Crazy huh?
Thanks, now I want to eat a swan.
Same tbh
@@WildWestExtravaganza They got a lot more feathers than Meat, and it's a big No No. I learned too late, but I ate the evidence & Burned the rest. It was a Hard Winter & I wasn't Picky at the time, 50+ years ago, when I was making a living with my Saddle, but with snow knee deep, bucking out rank colts could get you both killed. When the snow melted, me and "Them Colts" was slinging mud in all directions
Penitentiary. Is spoken with 4 syllables, not 5. Come on, you're driving me nuts over here. 🤪🤪🤪
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Ahhh. I like Wednesdays
Me too
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@ around 24:40 bothwell got all of ellen's cattle as well which beggers the question, who really was the cattle rustler here..??................... one version has bothwell going quie insane before he died, screaming for for his soul in vain as the unholy fires crept closer to consume his filthy spirit forever, what do yuo think there josh..?... truth or poetic justice..??.........................
Dunno, sometimes bad people live really long lives. But none of us will live forever, just a few decades, and we can’t take the land or money with us to the other side
@@WildWestExtravaganza spoken like a real preacher...................................
damn, no dogface pony soldiers 😂
Great episode....FYI, Pinkerton is now just a pathetic security company.....the McDonald's of security,.....overpriced and under satisfying.
Nobody stays on top forever. Lol
Why did we stop rolling our R's?
The McQueen movie was strangely sympathetic to a stone cold killer who got what he deserved in the end.
You could have simply said the pinkertons if anybody's played Red Dead redemption 2 you know exactly what they're about... Hahahaha. You need to play Red Dead redemption 2 🎉🎉🎉🎉
I would be careful about giving any personal information to these groups that's supposedly search your heritage the government is all over that and taking many notes. Just FYI
As Matt Dillon would say "There's right and wrong.. There ain't no gray."
I'm gonna have to disagree with Mr. Dillon on that one
Money talks, BS walks. 😊
With the exception of the Pleasant Valley war time, most of the pioneers couldn't shoot, during this time. During the eastern time in the east, they all were good shots. I use to wonder about it, but while watching 1883, the immigrants could not swim or shot. A shotgun was the best bet. As for I hate a thief, usually that gets said by a thief. Translation, as long as I stealing it is ok, but not you. Just a little old man advice. If you go in a business and see a lot of Crosses or Jesus is Lord, get out. More than likely, you are in the middle of thieves. People who follow the Lord, don't brag about it, they let their actions speak.
I am a Tom Horn enthusiast and I am enjoying the program. But, your foul language adds nothing, absolutely nothing to the work you have put into compiling the information, organizing and putting it into an interesting format. The profanity laced asides are not necessary. Thank you for this series and taking the time to read my comments. I hope we can agree on scrubbing the bad language out of the narration.
What about the foul language quoted directly from Tom Horn?
@@WildWestExtravaganza I refer to "your foul language" not the language used by the characters in the history. I am a student of history and teacher of history so I have read profane quotes and behavior in my study. We don't need to add to the profanity. Thank you.
Robert just go away
@@WildWestExtravaganza the speech police always showing up lol
@@johnnyjohnson1326 they stay busy