Cheers for the Video clip! Sorry for butting in, I would love your initial thoughts. Have you heard about - Riddleagan handling camera Remedy (erm, check it on google should be there)? It is a good one of a kind product for learning dslr video tricks without the headache. Ive heard some incredible things about it and my best friend Jordan finally got amazing success with it.
Kudos for the video content! Sorry for butting in, I am interested in your initial thoughts. Have you ever tried - Riddleagan handling camera Remedy (just google it)? It is a smashing exclusive guide for learning dslr video tricks minus the normal expense. Ive heard some awesome things about it and my mate after a lifetime of fighting got amazing success with it.
Lovely video content! Sorry for the intrusion, I would love your initial thoughts. Have you researched - Riddleagan handling camera Remedy (google it)? It is a great one off product for learning dslr video tricks minus the normal expense. Ive heard some pretty good things about it and my friend Sam after many years got great results with it.
Nice video content! Forgive me for the intrusion, I would love your initial thoughts. Have you considered - Riddleagan handling camera Remedy (google it)? It is an awesome exclusive product for making sales videos super fast and make money minus the headache. Ive heard some unbelievable things about it and my close friend Aubrey at very last got excellent success with it.
Frame rate can have a noticeable effect on the perceived smoothness of slow camera panning shots. The slower the frame rate, the choppier the pan will look, and there's a hidden pitfall those who shoot in 24 fps often encounter. Most monitors and TV's refresh their image at 60 Hz. Since 24 fps does not divide evenly into 60, that 24 fps footage produces an uneven refresh rate when displayed at 60 Hz, which can make slow pans look ragged. To produce the smoothest pans for display on 60 Hz monitors, the best camera frame rates are 60 fps and 30 fps.
Agreed!! I shoot EVERYTHING in 60fps and then EDIT in a 60fps Timeline. People it’s 2022 so do we really need to be shooting and editing at only 24fps because that’s what they had available in the 1930´s and 40 ‘s with their old metallic mechanical shutters? Many RUclipsrs insist on this traditional way of doing things. We now have the technology to do much better. 24fps has too much choppiness and motion-blur as there are too few frames for the processor to write to. Especially when panning or scenes with lots of motion you know what I’m talking about! I have done many side by side tests with this and that is why I shoot at 60fps and EDIT at 60fps that way your audio is still in sync (everything is real-time not slo-mo) but you have more frames to capture crisp, clear, sharp detail and movement in the scene and especially when you pan!! You still get some nice motion blur. A little motion-blur is natural but fuzzy pixels and stuttering jittery motion when panning at 24p drives me crazy. It’s terrible at accurately depicting motion! Yes your files at 60p are larger, doesn’t bother me…I usually try to stick with the 180 degree rule for shutter so 1-125. I will try using it at 1-60 sec shutter as Gerald Undone suggests to minimized the ‘soap opera effect’. SHOOTING AT 60P is so immersive and life-like (Edit in 60 p though) Try it you’ll see….
@@LuxuryRumble There are 3 phases of video making. Shooting, editing and publishing. You wanna make sure you use the right fps for ALL phases, shot 24 fps, edit at 24 fps, publish at 24 fps. If you wanna shot at 24 fps, then 24 fps all the way. Same goes for 30 and 60 fps. That is IF you wanna have slow motion effect, then you can shot at 60 fps, scale down editing at 30 fps, then you'll get the 50% slow motion effect.
Nice video Ed. As a point of clarification, the Seinfeld clip you showed was shot on film at 24 fps. When transferred to standard definition video a "3:2 pulldown" was used to convert from 24 to 30 (actually 23.98 to 29.97 at that point). Modern sitcoms are shot digitally at 24 fps.
Lol well said. Hell shoot at 1fps. 24 times as professional and artsy. IMO, more frame rates, more data and information, more fluidity is pretty much always better. The explanation for 24fps being desirable just seemed more like a rhetorical flourish.
You know, I've watched a lot of these videos that try to explain the different frame rates but none of them make much sense... this one just clicked for me 👍
*Important* is to also adjust the shutter speed to nearly match the reciprocal of the frame rate. This blends each frame into the next and you don't see the frames as a series of individual images. 24 frames per second is obviously the worst in this regard; if you shoot 24 frames per second with a 1/500th shutter speed, you will see individual frames of anything that moves, there will be no sense of motion, it becomes "stroboscopic" in a sense. IN the case of drone, I use a Neutral Density filter to allow slower shutter speed and this has the effect of smoothing pans but it also blurs the propeller blades if they get in the shot. 60 frames per second makes wonderful drone video and achieves a nice sense of smooth motion. It is also the case that the video codec understands how to move an image without using a lot of bandwidth. If there's too much movement between frames the motion detector doesn't work and the entire frame will have to be encoded (not using any portion of the previous frame) and that cuts down quality dramatically producing an abrupt transition in quality while panning.
Yes, it's a good presentation. As all yours, keep it up. But, as always, nothing has been said here about the fact that frame rate should depend on viewers display refresh rate. Which is 60 Hz in most cases. 60 is not dividable to 24 evenly that leads to judder. My "cinematic" experience definitely differs for movies, watched in cinema and for movies, watched home on my PC or laptop. But surprise surprise, I don't watch RUclips videos in cinema theaters. But 24 fps talking head videos looks perfect at 1.25x speed, because 24 * 1.25 = 30, lol. So, 24 fps is the best frame rate for that sort of videos just becase it's perfect for speedups ;D
Thanks for your views on frame rates. I struggle with making decisions regarding this. In the UK, our TV’s work at 25 and 50 and my camera will produce 4k at 25 or HD at 50. So the struggle is ... greater resolution but slightly jittery on camera movement or less resolution with smooth movement. My preference is 50 because I just can’t get past the slightly ‘removed’ feel of 25 and the panning problems. For still stuff though, I guess 25 might be ok and is close to 24 anyway. I just feel that 25 is on the verge of slow/cinematic where in the USA, 30 is significantly faster. So we either have cinematic or lifelike I guess.
Frame rates and hz refresh rate are a headache ,couldn't understand why my panasonic camcorder 1080p 50fps was so choppy,then i realized the monitor refresh rate was set to 60hz,set it to 50hz all was silky smooth .its a real pain as i have to go into monitor refresh settings on the nivida control panel to change whether or not the type of video framerate is to match,maybe more expensive modern monitors have auto refresh rate like some TVs now do
You should be paying more attention to shutter speed over framerate. You can upconvert to 60fps without any impact and mix framerates no problem just like this video does, but don't shoot in 60 thinking you can down it to 24 to get the cinematic effect. AFAIK a video editor cannot correctly add motion blur to everything correctly.
60fps should be the standard - even for movies we see in theaters. We've been saddled with 24fps since before the talkies came out! 24fps results in terrible blurring during camera pans and makes action scenes almost unwatchable. It's time to evolve.
I just don’t get why one would degrade the image quality by deliberately introducing stuttering and motion blur - when we have these wonderful, sharp cameras. Maybe because I do documentary/site survey type videos, not ‘dreamy movies’. The only reason I can se for going with a low frame rate would be low light conditions when you need a slow shutter speed. Wish for 2021: Drone videos not using the term ‘cinematic’ for anything that is not jerky with abrupt turns and stops :-) Happy New year, love your channel
Thank you for the video. I am currently editing my next video for my channel and my frames kept dropping. This helped me understand what was going on. Now hopefully, I can edit without the issues.
Every movie you ever seen was shot at 24 frames per second with three exceptions. Those exceptions are Oklahoma!, 1955, shot and 30 frames per second. Around the World in 80 Days, 1956, shot at 30 frames per second, and The Hobbit 2012, 2013, 2014, shot at 48 frames per second. This would include the vast majority of hour long television shows which were shot on film at 24 frames per second.
Growing up shooting on film at 24, I got used to it. So when tape came along, it just looked so flat. I still like 24 because it has a sense of grittiness to it, and as some would say it looks more natural, as when a fast hand motion shows a kind of blur just like someone in front of you shows the same thing if their hand is moving fast.
another great video, could'nt make my mind up on which drone to get but after watching your other vids you have convinced me the mavic pro it is cheers form the uk
I'm using a GoPro Hero 7 Black for motorbike footage and I much prefer the clearer and smother 60 fps but the colour and contrast isn't as good as 24fps and night footage looks pretty terrible when the ISO goes to 1600 or more. I guess that's just the price you pay with a small aperture, you can only have one.
우리가 본것을 기억하는 잔상 기간이 1/16초이기 때문에 적어도 1초당 16장의 화면이 연속해 불 수있어야 움직이는 영상으로 볼 수 있게됩니다. 그래서 명상을 부드럽게 보기 위해 만화는 1초당 18장 이상 30장으로, 영화는 24frame/sec로, TV방송은 30frame/sec로 결정되었읍시다. 더 자세한 내용을 알고 싶은 분은 (다음 블로그) "TV방송 시스템운용과 영상제작 연구소"에 들어오시기 바랍니다.
Thank you very much buddy, helped me understand when and where to use wich frame rate depending on my speed, great video i subscribed to you my freind.
sharp, crisp movement does well in sports and action, for normal "movement" the 24fps "long" shutter is much more pleasing. it's how your eyes work, it's more natural. wave your hand in front of your face, you'll see. now move your head to follow the hand, hand is sharp throughout the motion, but the background is blurred. that's how you wanna watch those sports highlights, isn't it.
If you look at the history of cinema, it has never been dragged into using the latest technology, far from it, it has developed and pioneered new techniques and technologies. If 60fps was "better" (to be defined in a later post), then directors would be demanding it. However they would not have to make much of an argument, because the producers would demand it was made in 60fps, so they could advertise the movie as 60fps, but they would not have to advertise too hard, because (apparently) word of mouth would be the greatest advertisement. This is not happening because it is not "better" (to be defined in a later post). If we consider "art" (which will NOT be defined in a later post), then 24fps is far more pleasant on the eye (even if it is less realistic). If we consider the "worth" of an image, what gives us more reward, 1)A ultra high res photo of a face, 2) a reality drawing of a face, or 3) a portrait in the cubist style ? The "reality" drawings are great to see and to acknowledge the artists skill, but it soon wears off and you are not admiring the drawing itself , but the skill behind it. Give me the painting anyday.
Oh gosh this is so good. You are quite wright regarding lifelike and cinematic because lifelike is soap drama format to me which you dont want for a movie that requires texture and atmosphere to draw us away from everyday life like. RE some modern day televisions. I get so frustrated when I see a movie that I know is cinematic and yet certain televisions or TV settings rip the heart out of the film replacing 4k clarity which is so sad 😔 😂 4k is great but grain is better when watching movies. Nice one Hayden
Well done on the presentation! Easy to grasp and to the point. Good job! - As a note totally agree on that "smoothness" feature on some newer tvs. My parents got one and I can´t stand it! LOL Every movie looks like a cheap soap opera IMO
nothing about 60 fps video quality < 24 fps video quality if we talk settings in camera..not in video...ofcourse if you have 3000$ camera ..you will not really see diff...buuuut if you have phone or dslr under 3k ..u will :) anyway 24 is cinematic 30 is tv 60/120 is commercial and sport and best way is go higher..and then convert ..but its works baaaaaaaaad for low price cameras
I just shoot family videos with the kids and shoot in 60 fps in case I want to slow it down, do you recommend putting it into a 24 fps timeline and if I want to slow it down, then reinterpreting it before dropping it in the timeline? Then export it 24 fps? Sorry, very knew to all this and confused by it.
ive watched guardians of the galaxy in 60fps and in 23.987fps... 60 looks soooo much better its just insane.. i just need this fluidity to enjoy watching something
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You "feel" like it cinematic but its not... 24fps is even only a thing because originally it was determined fps was the min. for the human eye/brain to perceive smooth motion. and film and the entire process was expensive.
Do you use the 180 rule of running your shutter speed at twice the speed of your frame rate? Thanks for posting and sharing with us. I'm still a noob and read about the 180 rule.
Filming arrows out of bows and crossbows in flight. Anything below 60 fps and the slow motion looks really choppy. 120 fps is better and 240 fps would be great but my software will only save at 144 fps max so, I am not sure if there is an advantage at filming at 240 then saving at 144?. My older cell phone can do slomo at either 1080p 120 fps, or 720p at 240 fps. Also, have seen other comments concerning most computer screens process at 60 fps?
Yes, these new TVs... we absolutely despise them. Our LG fortunately also has this "game mode" and I think it's either 30 or 24 fps; it is much more crips though which I like, but then we are stuck with that colour profile. I don't get the 60 fps fascination, it's like an obsession for a new toy haha
Haha, it's also surprising how many people in the comments here prefer 60fps for movie and television watching. I think they're out of their mind, but it's a personal taste thing I guess.
7:30 What you say here is the opposite of what I just learned from Gerald Undone video. He recommends to use the interpret footage option in order to solve the jittery problem of dropping 30fps footage into a 24fps sequence, and he advises against doing the opposite (24 in a 30 sequence) as it will be missing frames. Personally, I have to put together a mix of 24, 30, and 60 to create a web background video showing various stage performances and I don't know if I should build it in a 24 or 30 sequence. Thoughts?
Hey, lower frame rates stem from when movies were on film. The eye percieves flicker below around 48 images per second, but for various reasons movies were originally shot at a lower frame rate and a revolving shutter was arranged to show each 24 fps frame twice. Transferring to TV where screening was 60 images per second involved a complex pull-down showing frames 2 1/2 times (that's putting things simplistically). So in aiming for 24 fps, you are replicating a historic limitation of movies. To my mind, no great virtue.
I recognize the historical reason why 24fps exists, but many people prefer the look even today. 30 and 60 have their place, but 24fps in certain situations is definitely more pleasing to my eye.
@@EdRickerVlogs Thanks Ed. With, "to my eye" you are confirming this is a subjective opinion, and that's fair enough, we're all entitled to our personal preferences. The comments reveal a range of personal preferences. But note that before the move to non-mechanical projection systems in movie theatres, there was constant research to try and overcome the problems of low frame rates, particularly with very large format film technologies where the sheer mass and inertia of the film made sprocket tear a problem. The aim was to get both a large film frame (area) plus a high frame rate, the object being to get a smoother, sharper, more realistic presentation. My point being that it was considered a higher frame rate would look better to the general public, i.e., 24 fps was a limitation to be overcome in the search to get an optimum cinema experience
Thank you so much.Are frames like 60 or 30FPS also depend on the computer for tutorial makers not on camera like me who use my laptop? which frame is best for slow laptops RAM 4GB and Hard Disk 500GB,which frame rate when recording using OBS(Open Broadcast Software)?I lookforward to hear from you.
Hi Ed, thanks for the video. I enjoy recording RUclips music covers. Is it good idea to use 4k and 30 FPS for that purpose? I am thinking about acquiring an affordable 4k camera (
Thanks for watching! Yes you can, although the sequence will only show the same or lower frame rates than itself. So a 30fps timeline will show 24fps as well, but it won't show 60fps...it'll convert 60fps clips to 30.
Peter Jackson dabbled in 48 fps movies and people rejected it. For cinema, 24 is here to stay. And to be honest I prefer video game trailers to be 30 fps, but if I'm playing the game I want it to be 60.
Thanks Ed.. Very informative, but i have a specific question. I primarily shoot landscape footages with my drone rather just started, my goal is to get a smooth cinematic type videos so should i shoot in 30fps and interpolate the clip to 24fps before putting it in a 24 fps timeline? Another question if i increase the speed of a clip to about 200% do i have keep in mind some particular fps? What is your best suggestion regarding fps with drones.
Thanks! 30 fps to 24 fps is not the best option for smooth movement. You can do it if you're not moving the camera much, but long sweeping pans will produce some of the video hiccups I was referring to. 30/24 is 1.25, so if you slow down the footage you should be able to achieve roughly 24fps with a 30fps clip. It will be slightly slower though, but that's the smoothest option for a 24fps timeline. Doubling 30 to 60 should be no issue, it will be twice as fast.
I see a lot of stuttering in 30 fps i really dont like it. Did some vlogging at 30 in the forest walking around, and i saw the stuttering on the trees (really bumped me out) (unfortunately a lot of the cheaper alternative to go pros (and phones front camera) Only goes to 30fps :(
24 FPS is movie like, 60 and above makes it look too real. Im one of those people that cannot watch movies in 60FPS, literally cant watch it, looks like cell phone footage.
You are pathetic and moronic. 60fps is nature, why wouldn't any body prefer otherwise? Stupid. I hate those 24fps even 30fps because I hate jumping frame. Smooth transition is what real life is.
You spoke of the problem of using 30fps footage in a 24fps project making a jerky image. This can be corrected by adjusting the 30fps clip speed to 80% (or using the "Automatic Speed" option in the FCPX retime menu). This will make the clip run perfectly smoothly. This is how the math works - for example, if you shoot a 4 second clip at 30fps you have captured 120 frames. Divide those same 120 frames by 24 and you now 5 seconds of video, which is the same as running the clip at 80% speed. Obviously this slows the footage down a little, so you can't use it with people speaking, but it would have worked perfect for the example clips shown in your video.
How about shooting everything at 60 fps? I have been doing that for a few months now. Even for projects where I know I desire to have a 24fps final product. Ultimately, it gives me much more flexibility to edit and I actually love it!
You can't get a proper amount of motion blur if you are exporting 60 as 24 fps at a normal speed. Also, frames are being dropped unevenly in this case, that can cause jerky motions. 30 fps is a best choise for RUclips.
One thing that isn't really addressed in this video is shutter angle/speed. If your shooting at 30 fps with a 180 degree shutter and export it to 24 fps you will get that choppy look because your not getting as much motion blur as you would with a 24 fps 180 degree shutter. The real question IMO is what's the best shutter angle to use at higher fps so that you can both slow down the video and capture fast moving objects but also get that cinematic look from the final export.
That's a great question, but there isn't probably a "best" shutter angle that covers all the situations at, say, 120fps, in order to convert to 24fps, 30fps or 60fps...
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Your views and thoughts are interesting.
Cheers for the Video clip! Sorry for butting in, I would love your initial thoughts. Have you heard about - Riddleagan handling camera Remedy (erm, check it on google should be there)? It is a good one of a kind product for learning dslr video tricks without the headache. Ive heard some incredible things about it and my best friend Jordan finally got amazing success with it.
Kudos for the video content! Sorry for butting in, I am interested in your initial thoughts. Have you ever tried - Riddleagan handling camera Remedy (just google it)? It is a smashing exclusive guide for learning dslr video tricks minus the normal expense. Ive heard some awesome things about it and my mate after a lifetime of fighting got amazing success with it.
Lovely video content! Sorry for the intrusion, I would love your initial thoughts. Have you researched - Riddleagan handling camera Remedy (google it)? It is a great one off product for learning dslr video tricks minus the normal expense. Ive heard some pretty good things about it and my friend Sam after many years got great results with it.
Nice video content! Forgive me for the intrusion, I would love your initial thoughts. Have you considered - Riddleagan handling camera Remedy (google it)? It is an awesome exclusive product for making sales videos super fast and make money minus the headache. Ive heard some unbelievable things about it and my close friend Aubrey at very last got excellent success with it.
Honestly, this was probably the most helpful video that I've seen so far. Thanks man.
Frame rate can have a noticeable effect on the perceived smoothness of slow camera panning shots. The slower the frame rate, the choppier the pan will look, and there's a hidden pitfall those who shoot in 24 fps often encounter. Most monitors and TV's refresh their image at 60 Hz. Since 24 fps does not divide evenly into 60, that 24 fps footage produces an uneven refresh rate when displayed at 60 Hz, which can make slow pans look ragged. To produce the smoothest pans for display on 60 Hz monitors, the best camera frame rates are 60 fps and 30 fps.
Basic common sense. 24 is outdated and should scratched along with .976 crap and drop non drop frames messy garbage. Should've been so along time ago
Agreed!! I shoot EVERYTHING in 60fps and then EDIT in a 60fps Timeline. People it’s 2022 so do we really need to be shooting and editing at only 24fps because that’s what they had available in the 1930´s and 40 ‘s with their old metallic mechanical shutters? Many RUclipsrs insist on this traditional way of doing things. We now have the technology to do much better. 24fps has too much choppiness and motion-blur as there are too few frames for the processor to write to. Especially when panning or scenes with lots of motion you know what I’m talking about! I have done many side by side tests with this and that is why I shoot at 60fps and EDIT at 60fps that way your audio is still in sync (everything is real-time not slo-mo) but you have more frames to capture crisp, clear, sharp detail and movement in the scene and especially when you pan!! You still get some nice motion blur. A little motion-blur is natural but fuzzy pixels and stuttering jittery motion when panning at 24p drives me crazy. It’s terrible at accurately depicting motion! Yes your files at 60p are larger, doesn’t bother me…I usually try to stick with the 180 degree rule for shutter so 1-125. I will try using it at 1-60 sec shutter as Gerald Undone suggests to minimized the ‘soap opera effect’. SHOOTING AT 60P is so immersive and life-like (Edit in 60 p though) Try it you’ll see….
Totally agree with you,i always shoot at 60fps if shared online ,always looks better on monitors and mobile phones
I am a newbie in learning videography . I so very appreciate this training. Thank you so much!
The was the clearest and most straightforward break down I've seen yet, thank you so much!
24fps for vloging no fast movment ,,,,,30fps for walking round and vloggin ,,,,,, 60fps for drone and action :P or eve camra reviews :)
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Problem is when you want to mix these 2 then when you do convert 30 to 24 it will look like garbage ! So we have to stick to 30 ->30 or 24->24
@@LuxuryRumble There are 3 phases of video making. Shooting, editing and publishing. You wanna make sure you use the right fps for ALL phases, shot 24 fps, edit at 24 fps, publish at 24 fps. If you wanna shot at 24 fps, then 24 fps all the way. Same goes for 30 and 60 fps. That is IF you wanna have slow motion effect, then you can shot at 60 fps, scale down editing at 30 fps, then you'll get the 50% slow motion effect.
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@@nBaqi my template video is 50% vlog 50% cinematic (with slow motion effect) .. so i need to set my shot at 60 fps and the rest too right ?
Nice video Ed. As a point of clarification, the Seinfeld clip you showed was shot on film at 24 fps. When transferred to standard definition video a "3:2 pulldown" was used to convert from 24 to 30 (actually 23.98 to 29.97 at that point). Modern sitcoms are shot digitally at 24 fps.
I prefer 12FPS, because it looks twice as cinematic. Twice as expensive and professional.
Bravo!
so animatic
Lol well said.
Hell shoot at 1fps. 24 times as professional and artsy.
IMO, more frame rates, more data and information, more fluidity is pretty much always better. The explanation for 24fps being desirable just seemed more like a rhetorical flourish.
I "feel" its better
0 fps is unbeatable!
A newbie here. Love your videos. Clear explanations. I’ll start recording at 60fps from now on.
You know, I've watched a lot of these videos that try to explain the different frame rates but none of them make much sense... this one just clicked for me 👍
*Important* is to also adjust the shutter speed to nearly match the reciprocal of the frame rate. This blends each frame into the next and you don't see the frames as a series of individual images. 24 frames per second is obviously the worst in this regard; if you shoot 24 frames per second with a 1/500th shutter speed, you will see individual frames of anything that moves, there will be no sense of motion, it becomes "stroboscopic" in a sense.
IN the case of drone, I use a Neutral Density filter to allow slower shutter speed and this has the effect of smoothing pans but it also blurs the propeller blades if they get in the shot.
60 frames per second makes wonderful drone video and achieves a nice sense of smooth motion. It is also the case that the video codec understands how to move an image without using a lot of bandwidth. If there's too much movement between frames the motion detector doesn't work and the entire frame will have to be encoded (not using any portion of the previous frame) and that cuts down quality dramatically producing an abrupt transition in quality while panning.
Thanks for breaking it down !
I feel like it finally got through my thick head
Good video. I enjoyed your presentation. You have a good flow and you held my attention. Thanks! 👍😃
Yes, it's a good presentation. As all yours, keep it up. But, as always, nothing has been said here about the fact that frame rate should depend on viewers display refresh rate. Which is 60 Hz in most cases. 60 is not dividable to 24 evenly that leads to judder. My "cinematic" experience definitely differs for movies, watched in cinema and for movies, watched home on my PC or laptop. But surprise surprise, I don't watch RUclips videos in cinema theaters. But 24 fps talking head videos looks perfect at 1.25x speed, because 24 * 1.25 = 30, lol. So, 24 fps is the best frame rate for that sort of videos just becase it's perfect for speedups ;D
Hi Ed! Thanks so much for being straight to the point, clear, and concise. This video saved me a ton of headaches in the very near future :)
Watched a bunch of your videos to get a hang of filming and my drone! So helpful and clear!
I live in a PAL country, yet I prefer 30 and 60fps for all my cameras.
Thanks for your views on frame rates. I struggle with making decisions regarding this. In the UK, our TV’s work at 25 and 50 and my camera will produce 4k at 25 or HD at 50. So the struggle is ... greater resolution but slightly jittery on camera movement or less resolution with smooth movement. My preference is 50 because I just can’t get past the slightly ‘removed’ feel of 25 and the panning problems. For still stuff though, I guess 25 might be ok and is close to 24 anyway. I just feel that 25 is on the verge of slow/cinematic where in the USA, 30 is significantly faster. So we either have cinematic or lifelike I guess.
Frame rates and hz refresh rate are a headache ,couldn't understand why my panasonic camcorder 1080p 50fps was so choppy,then i realized the monitor refresh rate was set to 60hz,set it to 50hz all was silky smooth .its a real pain as i have to go into monitor refresh settings on the nivida control panel to change whether or not the type of video framerate is to match,maybe more expensive modern monitors have auto refresh rate like some TVs now do
The best explanation of FPS now I understand more why the a7iv is cropped at 4k60.
Thank you!!! I just bought a vlogging camera and did not know which frame rate to choose. This is very helpful!!!
Scott Luther thanks so much Scott! Im really enjoying learning about vlogging!
You should be paying more attention to shutter speed over framerate. You can upconvert to 60fps without any impact and mix framerates no problem just like this video does, but don't shoot in 60 thinking you can down it to 24 to get the cinematic effect. AFAIK a video editor cannot correctly add motion blur to everything correctly.
60fps should be the standard - even for movies we see in theaters. We've been saddled with 24fps since before the talkies came out! 24fps results in terrible blurring during camera pans and makes action scenes almost unwatchable. It's time to evolve.
I just don’t get why one would degrade the image quality by deliberately introducing stuttering and motion blur - when we have these wonderful, sharp cameras. Maybe because I do documentary/site survey type videos, not ‘dreamy movies’. The only reason I can se for going with a low frame rate would be low light conditions when you need a slow shutter speed.
Wish for 2021: Drone videos not using the term ‘cinematic’ for anything that is not jerky with abrupt turns and stops :-)
Happy New year, love your channel
One added benefit of 24fps is that it it works better with animation. It just integrates better especially if you do any 3/1 2/1 animations
The higher artificial refresh rates on TVs produces the "soap opera effect" and I hate it. Good info Ed. Thanks.
Thank you for the video. I am currently editing my next video for my channel and my frames kept dropping. This helped me understand what was going on. Now hopefully, I can edit without the issues.
Very nicely done Ed. I’m hoping this will help my videos look less jerky which I hate with with a passion.
If you listen to him, then you will produce jerky videos, because he is giving you bad advice.
Every movie you ever seen was shot at 24 frames per second with three exceptions. Those exceptions are Oklahoma!, 1955, shot and 30 frames per second. Around the World in 80 Days, 1956, shot at 30 frames per second, and The Hobbit 2012, 2013, 2014, shot at 48 frames per second. This would include the vast majority of hour long television shows which were shot on film at 24 frames per second.
Totally agree with the smooth motion TV comments! Don't care for it. It also creates some serious jerky or fast walk scenes occasionally.
Growing up shooting on film at 24, I got used to it. So when tape came along, it just looked so flat. I still like 24 because it has a sense of grittiness to it, and as some would say it looks more natural, as when a fast hand motion shows a kind of blur just like someone in front of you shows the same thing if their hand is moving fast.
another great video, could'nt make my mind up on which drone to get but after watching your other vids you have convinced me the mavic pro it is cheers form the uk
Really good stuff. Thanks man.
Dang Ed were you reading my mind??? I needed a clear explanation of frame rate and bam you nailed it for me!! Thank you 🙏
People will say 24 is more movie like but they never say why. It's litterally just because it's what people are used to. I feel we can do way better.
I absolutely loved your explanations. And you’ve got yourself a new subscriber. Thank you!
Thanks understood a lot in a short period of time
Very helpful , always learning . Subbed from Scotland
Great video thanks, I shoot 60fps so i can slowmo but wasn't sure whether to export in 30 or 60.
Great video, learned a ton thanks
Great examples.
I'm using a GoPro Hero 7 Black for motorbike footage and I much prefer the clearer and smother 60 fps but the colour and contrast isn't as good as 24fps and night footage looks pretty terrible when the ISO goes to 1600 or more. I guess that's just the price you pay with a small aperture, you can only have one.
Thank you
Awesome information.....Great videos....Just what I was looking for...Thank You...
우리가 본것을 기억하는 잔상 기간이 1/16초이기 때문에 적어도 1초당 16장의 화면이 연속해 불 수있어야 움직이는 영상으로 볼 수 있게됩니다. 그래서 명상을 부드럽게 보기 위해 만화는 1초당 18장 이상 30장으로, 영화는 24frame/sec로, TV방송은 30frame/sec로 결정되었읍시다. 더 자세한 내용을 알고 싶은 분은 (다음 블로그) "TV방송 시스템운용과 영상제작 연구소"에 들어오시기 바랍니다.
that‘s very useful, thanks!
Thank you very much buddy, helped me understand when and where to use wich frame rate depending on my speed, great video i subscribed to you my freind.
sharp, crisp movement does well in sports and action, for normal "movement" the 24fps "long" shutter is much more pleasing. it's how your eyes work, it's more natural. wave your hand in front of your face, you'll see. now move your head to follow the hand, hand is sharp throughout the motion, but the background is blurred. that's how you wanna watch those sports highlights, isn't it.
Always enjoy your informative advice.
Great explanation buddy.
Keep up the good work ;)
Nice job Ed and keep up the good work!
Great video I got the info I needed 👌
Finally the information I was looking for, thanks!
Really good information. When slowing 60 to 24 what do you do to avoid any of that weird hiccup?
24 fps hurts my eyes to look at. I will aways shoot 60fps. this make any slo mo better as well
Thank you so much, this video explained alot when exporting frame rates!
Great video,
Dude, your subs are blowing up!! Nice!
If you look at the history of cinema, it has never been dragged into using the latest technology, far from it, it has developed and pioneered new techniques and technologies. If 60fps was "better" (to be defined in a later post), then directors would be demanding it. However they would not have to make much of an argument, because the producers would demand it was made in 60fps, so they could advertise the movie as 60fps, but they would not have to advertise too hard, because (apparently) word of mouth would be the greatest advertisement. This is not happening because it is not "better" (to be defined in a later post). If we consider "art" (which will NOT be defined in a later post), then 24fps is far more pleasant on the eye (even if it is less realistic). If we consider the "worth" of an image, what gives us more reward, 1)A ultra high res photo of a face, 2) a reality drawing of a face, or 3) a portrait in the cubist style ? The "reality" drawings are great to see and to acknowledge the artists skill, but it soon wears off and you are not admiring the drawing itself , but the skill behind it. Give me the painting anyday.
Oh gosh this is so good. You are quite wright regarding lifelike and cinematic because lifelike is
soap drama format to me which you dont want for a movie that requires texture and atmosphere to draw us away from everyday life like.
RE some modern day televisions.
I get so frustrated when I see a movie that I know is cinematic and yet certain televisions or TV settings rip the heart out of the film replacing 4k clarity which is so sad 😔 😂
4k is great but grain is better when watching movies.
Nice one
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TOP!!! very helpful!
Well done on the presentation! Easy to grasp and to the point. Good job! - As a note totally agree on that "smoothness" feature on some newer tvs. My parents got one and I can´t stand it! LOL Every movie looks like a cheap soap opera IMO
nothing about 60 fps video quality < 24 fps video quality if we talk settings in camera..not in video...ofcourse if you have 3000$ camera ..you will not really see diff...buuuut if you have phone or dslr under 3k ..u will :)
anyway 24 is cinematic
30 is tv
60/120 is commercial and sport
and best way is go higher..and then convert ..but its works baaaaaaaaad for low price cameras
I just shoot family videos with the kids and shoot in 60 fps in case I want to slow it down, do you recommend putting it into a 24 fps timeline and if I want to slow it down, then reinterpreting it before dropping it in the timeline? Then export it 24 fps? Sorry, very knew to all this and confused by it.
Thanks for the information
very well done, thank you!
Super helpful- thankful!
Good point! What can you recommend for food vlogs, mukbang or any similar content?
Thanks!
I'd say 24 or 30. I've been watching a lot of Julien Solomita recently and he shoots in 24fps.
Thanks! Will check that one out too ;)
So does exporting in 60 pretty much safe even if shooting at a lower fps?
Great video sir
Thanks. Very helpful.
Thanks for making this great video. I find 2.7K 60fps to be my best frame rate. Cheers!
So for a concert would it be with 30fps? Or 60fps? Or what video settings should I set my iPhone x for better concert vids
ive watched guardians of the galaxy in 60fps and in 23.987fps... 60 looks soooo much better its just insane.. i just need this fluidity to enjoy watching something
Great stuff.
Great video I’m subscribed 👍
“I personally DON’T love it...” 😂🤣 Liked & Subscribed
I had to rewind, because I thought you said: “... and I’ll turn that shit off whenever I get the chance...” 🤣😭 #dead
You "feel" like it cinematic but its not... 24fps is even only a thing because originally it was determined fps was the min. for the human eye/brain to perceive smooth motion. and film and the entire process was expensive.
Yes I feel like it's cinematic, but isn't that all that matters? Maybe you don't feel that way. Feeling is subjective.
@@EdRickerVlogs Yep sure.
@@EdRickerVlogs No rather then explain refresh rates to you here is a kid that did a great job.
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Do you use the 180 rule of running your shutter speed at twice the speed of your frame rate?
Thanks for posting and sharing with us. I'm still a noob and read about the 180 rule.
How about bit rate? How many mbps bit rate do you use when upload on youtube?
Filming arrows out of bows and crossbows in flight. Anything below 60 fps and the slow motion looks really choppy. 120 fps is better and 240 fps would be great but my software will only save at 144 fps max so, I am not sure if there is an advantage at filming at 240 then saving at 144?. My older cell phone can do slomo at either 1080p 120 fps, or 720p at 240 fps. Also, have seen other comments concerning most computer screens process at 60 fps?
Yes, these new TVs... we absolutely despise them. Our LG fortunately also has this "game mode" and I think it's either 30 or 24 fps; it is much more crips though which I like, but then we are stuck with that colour profile. I don't get the 60 fps fascination, it's like an obsession for a new toy haha
Haha, it's also surprising how many people in the comments here prefer 60fps for movie and television watching. I think they're out of their mind, but it's a personal taste thing I guess.
Nice video
Wonderful Ed. You're still one of the best vlogers out there!
7:30 What you say here is the opposite of what I just learned from Gerald Undone video. He recommends to use the interpret footage option in order to solve the jittery problem of dropping 30fps footage into a 24fps sequence, and he advises against doing the opposite (24 in a 30 sequence) as it will be missing frames. Personally, I have to put together a mix of 24, 30, and 60 to create a web background video showing various stage performances and I don't know if I should build it in a 24 or 30 sequence. Thoughts?
Hey, lower frame rates stem from when movies were on film. The eye percieves flicker below around 48 images per second, but for various reasons movies were originally shot at a lower frame rate and a revolving shutter was arranged to show each 24 fps frame twice. Transferring to TV where screening was 60 images per second involved a complex pull-down showing frames 2 1/2 times (that's putting things simplistically). So in aiming for 24 fps, you are replicating a historic limitation of movies. To my mind, no great virtue.
I recognize the historical reason why 24fps exists, but many people prefer the look even today. 30 and 60 have their place, but 24fps in certain situations is definitely more pleasing to my eye.
@@EdRickerVlogs Thanks Ed. With, "to my eye" you are confirming this is a subjective opinion, and that's fair enough, we're all entitled to our personal preferences. The comments reveal a range of personal preferences. But note that before the move to non-mechanical projection systems in movie theatres, there was constant research to try and overcome the problems of low frame rates, particularly with very large format film technologies where the sheer mass and inertia of the film made sprocket tear a problem. The aim was to get both a large film frame (area) plus a high frame rate, the object being to get a smoother, sharper, more realistic presentation. My point being that it was considered a higher frame rate would look better to the general public, i.e., 24 fps was a limitation to be overcome in the search to get an optimum cinema experience
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Can't see why 24 fps should look more emotionally moving
Peter Kroll maybe it is associated or likened to 24 carats. 🤪
Thank you so much.Are frames like 60 or 30FPS also depend on the computer for tutorial makers not on camera like me who use my laptop? which frame is best for slow laptops RAM 4GB and Hard Disk 500GB,which frame rate when recording using OBS(Open Broadcast Software)?I lookforward to hear from you.
Hi Ed, thanks for the video. I enjoy recording RUclips music covers. Is it good idea to use 4k and 30 FPS for that purpose? I am thinking about acquiring an affordable 4k camera (
Hey thanks for the video- very helpful! Are you able to edit footage shot at different frame rates within the same sequence in Premiere?
Thanks for watching! Yes you can, although the sequence will only show the same or lower frame rates than itself. So a 30fps timeline will show 24fps as well, but it won't show 60fps...it'll convert 60fps clips to 30.
Peter Jackson dabbled in 48 fps movies and people rejected it. For cinema, 24 is here to stay. And to be honest I prefer video game trailers to be 30 fps, but if I'm playing the game I want it to be 60.
Thanks Ed.. Very informative, but i have a specific question. I primarily shoot landscape footages with my drone rather just started, my goal is to get a smooth cinematic type videos so should i shoot in 30fps and interpolate the clip to 24fps before putting it in a 24 fps timeline? Another question if i increase the speed of a clip to about 200% do i have keep in mind some particular fps? What is your best suggestion regarding fps with drones.
Thanks!
30 fps to 24 fps is not the best option for smooth movement. You can do it if you're not moving the camera much, but long sweeping pans will produce some of the video hiccups I was referring to. 30/24 is 1.25, so if you slow down the footage you should be able to achieve roughly 24fps with a 30fps clip. It will be slightly slower though, but that's the smoothest option for a 24fps timeline. Doubling 30 to 60 should be no issue, it will be twice as fast.
I see a lot of stuttering in 30 fps i really dont like it. Did some vlogging at 30 in the forest walking around, and i saw the stuttering on the trees (really bumped me out) (unfortunately a lot of the cheaper alternative to go pros (and phones front camera) Only goes to 30fps :(
24 FPS is movie like, 60 and above makes it look too real. Im one of those people that cannot watch movies in 60FPS, literally cant watch it, looks like cell phone footage.
You are pathetic and moronic. 60fps is nature, why wouldn't any body prefer otherwise? Stupid. I hate those 24fps even 30fps because I hate jumping frame. Smooth transition is what real life is.
@@TshaajThomas nope 99% of movies are 24fps so Ur wrong dumb bitch
@@bigpoppaHH69 Moron.
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You spoke of the problem of using 30fps footage in a 24fps project making a jerky image. This can be corrected by adjusting the 30fps clip speed to 80% (or using the "Automatic Speed" option in the FCPX retime menu). This will make the clip run perfectly smoothly. This is how the math works - for example, if you shoot a 4 second clip at 30fps you have captured 120 frames. Divide those same 120 frames by 24 and you now 5 seconds of video, which is the same as running the clip at 80% speed. Obviously this slows the footage down a little, so you can't use it with people speaking, but it would have worked perfect for the example clips shown in your video.
I prefer 5 fps because it gives me the best cinematic visual and endures professionalism in my videos
I like 1 fps more personally It represents my taste in the finer things in life.
Good troll! Exactly how you should mock those "cinematic" imbeciles
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Really nice job. Going to refer all my student tv students to watch.
Best explanation of this I have found. You are the bomb. Everyone else got too technical. I really understand the frame rate setting now. Thank you
Very informative without being overly subjective (or at least, declaring when you’re being subjective).
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I like 60 frames per second because, for my eyes, that is what looks closest to reality.
How about shooting everything at 60 fps? I have been doing that for a few months now. Even for projects where I know I desire to have a 24fps final product. Ultimately, it gives me much more flexibility to edit and I actually love it!
You can't get a proper amount of motion blur if you are exporting 60 as 24 fps at a normal speed. Also, frames are being dropped unevenly in this case, that can cause jerky motions. 30 fps is a best choise for RUclips.
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I’m cringing so hard at myself reading this now. 🤦♂️ 60 fps always means lost frames and not ideal motion blur. I was dumb
@@RijoeDamy6444 Hi there! 30 fps for video is ideal!
One thing that isn't really addressed in this video is shutter angle/speed. If your shooting at 30 fps with a 180 degree shutter and export it to 24 fps you will get that choppy look because your not getting as much motion blur as you would with a 24 fps 180 degree shutter. The real question IMO is what's the best shutter angle to use at higher fps so that you can both slow down the video and capture fast moving objects but also get that cinematic look from the final export.
That's a great question, but there isn't probably a "best" shutter angle that covers all the situations at, say, 120fps, in order to convert to 24fps, 30fps or 60fps...