Not mentioning Mag despite being the one who benefits the most from this synergy might be a criminal offence. Magnetize has a powerful succ power, about the same level as Niduses Larva, however this powerful succ is lost when the target of the Magnetize is killed, so when you lift an enemy with Well of Life (and blood altar) it retains this powerful suction. At the moment am using Blood Altar for this, because the duration is just so much longer, but once the Trinity buffs come in, ill be switching over to well of life, since its a lot easier to target an enemy when you dont need to be up in its face.
I was tempted to mention Mag but I decided not to because using WoL in place of Breach Surge is kinda...bleh. At the end of the day I should have, but I really value the insane ramping damage over the suction part of Magnetize. It does have its uses and I'm kicking myself for not including that, but what can ya do
@@dexyiv I see your point on Breach Surge giving big numba, we all like big numba. And to be fair, Magnetize and Breach Surge is a good combo, but i dont feel like Mag is the best user of that Helminth. Other frames get more ramping faster. I find i get way more damage by locking down a spot and having everyone gather in that one spot, then firing my Nataruk/Arca Plasmor/ Penta (Dont detonate, just let the grandee spin around) in there, and look at all the numbers fly as they get shredded to little bits.
@@Fixti0n I'd say mag in particular makes the best use of breach surge, but that could just be a me opinion. Easily kills level cap enemies with minimal effort, not to mention fun as hell
Eclipse is good on warframes like qorvex and inaros with a health and armour build, specifically in deep archemdia, this is only good though if you use both parts if eclipse…, i do not know about the elite version as i do not have access to it because of the requirements and people not wanting to do it, i would have tested it in there, however i believe it should be good in there as well.
Health is a bit tricky in deep archimedea because of the amount of damage level 400+ enemies deal, but yeah it's pretty okay with dr from things like eclipse
@dexyiv use something like ensnare to group enemy and something like well of life or blood altar to make enemy Immortal i am trying to do this with nova so i don't have to cast so much
@@bazukata3734 If you want to group enemies while using blood altar or well of life, you can use the nautilus sentinel's ability. It groups enemies up well. Obviously can't subsume 2 abilities onto a warframe though so with nova you'd be limited to either making them immortal or pulling them together ability-wise
Personally as generic as it sounds, nourish is a good subsume for vauban. It adds damage onto his mines, makes archon stretch restore more energy, and it makes your vortices deal viral procs along with the magnetic I believe. Also, its just opinion, but I think ypure playing vauban around the wrong things. His armor values are low so bastille can boost them sure, but relying on shield gating and bastille spam works better for survivability imo. Flechette also scales its base damage off of crit, overdriver, faction bonuses, base damage bonuses, elemental bonuses, his passove bonuses all multiplicatively. Ive seen that thing easily hit 1 million damage and on a spawn camped enemy like thrax our acolyte thet get chunked before they even come down. All in all, I think focusing on armor or healing excessively is a waste, at least for most builds. 1000 armor is a lot but it shows how much its been power crept
I probably am playing him wrong yeah. I've tried a lot of things on him but none have really been fruitful, so I guess it'd be best for me to see what others are doing Even when it released 1,000 armor wasn't a ton, especially with no innate way of gaining health. Health in general is a lot weaker than shields and requires a lot more investment as well; not sure why I went all in on that especially on him
Her 4's damage is based on the HP of enemies deceased, so it would not charge it up no. Unless you mean her 3 augment, which is actually does work but only once the ability ends
Vauban is not weak. I recommend you watch ProffesorDysto's video "a vauban guide by a vauban main". He has a couple other videos on vauban, but the point is, vauban is actually really good.
@anonymousalexander6005 you are right about how there are just better frames than others. However, vauban can output stupid amounts of damage, get a bunch of bonus armor, and has a really amazing and versitile cc ability. Vauban is, in my opinion, a really strong frame and is a good choice for alot of content.
@@cobblestonegenerator By that metric, even something like Frost outclasses it 2-to-1. Look, every Warframe has its place and play style, it’s not as if Warframe is so hard that you need anything particular powerful either, but power creep is a cruel mistress there’s just better options.
@@noahboddie3482 Damage, bonus armor AND _team_ overshield, cc and CC. By your own metrics, Frost > Vauban. I never said they had the same play style, who are you arguing with?
On the khora build after the first one dies, why not just cast esnare on another enemy? If you mean to farm, it's usless because it does not have her 4 in the rotation. As far as damage, you already do a bunch. It's unnecessary
@@jaketheman1577 you could, but it costs more energy and she struggles enough with energy as it is. Not to mention the cast time is awkward and action inhibiting. Leads to more enemies ensnared, don’t have to wait out the cast time or ensnare delay (propagation is instant). No this isn’t meant for farming so her 4 is not used either. I think you’re looking at this wrong
You have angered the Vauban players. Vauban isn't just "good", he's *very* good. Complete area control, wide area armor strip, scaling damage, universal damage buff, easy energy economy with archon stretch, and a free helminth slot (which I fill with Resonator).
Probably yeah if you want to go Roar or Nourish on every warframe, but I'd prefer not to. The synergies Khora and Dagath have with it in particular makes it better above most others, besides the boring meta ones
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Not mentioning Mag despite being the one who benefits the most from this synergy might be a criminal offence.
Magnetize has a powerful succ power, about the same level as Niduses Larva, however this powerful succ is lost when the target of the Magnetize is killed, so when you lift an enemy with Well of Life (and blood altar) it retains this powerful suction.
At the moment am using Blood Altar for this, because the duration is just so much longer, but once the Trinity buffs come in, ill be switching over to well of life, since its a lot easier to target an enemy when you dont need to be up in its face.
yo wtf, thanks man!
Actually came here to mention this mechanic. Not many people know about this honestly.
I was tempted to mention Mag but I decided not to because using WoL in place of Breach Surge is kinda...bleh. At the end of the day I should have, but I really value the insane ramping damage over the suction part of Magnetize. It does have its uses and I'm kicking myself for not including that, but what can ya do
@@dexyiv I see your point on Breach Surge giving big numba, we all like big numba.
And to be fair, Magnetize and Breach Surge is a good combo, but i dont feel like Mag is the best user of that Helminth. Other frames get more ramping faster.
I find i get way more damage by locking down a spot and having everyone gather in that one spot, then firing my Nataruk/Arca Plasmor/ Penta (Dont detonate, just let the grandee spin around) in there, and look at all the numbers fly as they get shredded to little bits.
@@Fixti0n I'd say mag in particular makes the best use of breach surge, but that could just be a me opinion. Easily kills level cap enemies with minimal effort, not to mention fun as hell
WoL is so underrated! The only issue is needed a lot of casting speed to hit an enemy before the squad nukes it
for really energy hungry frames this is a great pick but most frames can get away with equilibrium
Eclipse is good on warframes like qorvex and inaros with a health and armour build, specifically in deep archemdia, this is only good though if you use both parts if eclipse…, i do not know about the elite version as i do not have access to it because of the requirements and people not wanting to do it, i would have tested it in there, however i believe it should be good in there as well.
Health is a bit tricky in deep archimedea because of the amount of damage level 400+ enemies deal, but yeah it's pretty okay with dr from things like eclipse
0:40 i want to do this on nova you know how?
Probably a dumb question but what do you mean exactly? Using Well of Life or something else?
@dexyiv use something like ensnare to group enemy and something like well of life or blood altar to make enemy Immortal i am trying to do this with nova so i don't have to cast so much
@@bazukata3734 If you want to group enemies while using blood altar or well of life, you can use the nautilus sentinel's ability. It groups enemies up well. Obviously can't subsume 2 abilities onto a warframe though so with nova you'd be limited to either making them immortal or pulling them together ability-wise
@@dexyiv nautilus don't pull they on the same place or all the time this is why i look for other option
Personally as generic as it sounds, nourish is a good subsume for vauban. It adds damage onto his mines, makes archon stretch restore more energy, and it makes your vortices deal viral procs along with the magnetic I believe.
Also, its just opinion, but I think ypure playing vauban around the wrong things. His armor values are low so bastille can boost them sure, but relying on shield gating and bastille spam works better for survivability imo.
Flechette also scales its base damage off of crit, overdriver, faction bonuses, base damage bonuses, elemental bonuses, his passove bonuses all multiplicatively. Ive seen that thing easily hit 1 million damage and on a spawn camped enemy like thrax our acolyte thet get chunked before they even come down.
All in all, I think focusing on armor or healing excessively is a waste, at least for most builds. 1000 armor is a lot but it shows how much its been power crept
I probably am playing him wrong yeah. I've tried a lot of things on him but none have really been fruitful, so I guess it'd be best for me to see what others are doing
Even when it released 1,000 armor wasn't a ton, especially with no innate way of gaining health. Health in general is a lot weaker than shields and requires a lot more investment as well; not sure why I went all in on that especially on him
Can you use WoL with equinox to charge up damage on her 4?
Her 4's damage is based on the HP of enemies deceased, so it would not charge it up no. Unless you mean her 3 augment, which is actually does work but only once the ability ends
@dexyiv ahh that's right, thanks.
Vauban is not weak. I recommend you watch ProffesorDysto's video "a vauban guide by a vauban main". He has a couple other videos on vauban, but the point is, vauban is actually really good.
Every Warframe is “not weak,” the point is that it’s worse than another better choice
@anonymousalexander6005 you are right about how there are just better frames than others. However, vauban can output stupid amounts of damage, get a bunch of bonus armor, and has a really amazing and versitile cc ability. Vauban is, in my opinion, a really strong frame and is a good choice for alot of content.
@@cobblestonegenerator By that metric, even something like Frost outclasses it 2-to-1. Look, every Warframe has its place and play style, it’s not as if Warframe is so hard that you need anything particular powerful either, but power creep is a cruel mistress there’s just better options.
Frost and Vauban play nothing like each other what in the world do you mean? People genuinely act like he's pre rework inaros or something
@@noahboddie3482 Damage, bonus armor AND _team_ overshield, cc and CC. By your own metrics, Frost > Vauban. I never said they had the same play style, who are you arguing with?
Well of life + damage decoy has good synergy but I prefer mind control + damage decoy
@@GD00000 sounds like an interesting combo actually. How would damage decoy work with well of life though?
On the khora build after the first one dies, why not just cast esnare on another enemy? If you mean to farm, it's usless because it does not have her 4 in the rotation. As far as damage, you already do a bunch. It's unnecessary
@@jaketheman1577 you could, but it costs more energy and she struggles enough with energy as it is. Not to mention the cast time is awkward and action inhibiting. Leads to more enemies ensnared, don’t have to wait out the cast time or ensnare delay (propagation is instant). No this isn’t meant for farming so her 4 is not used either. I think you’re looking at this wrong
You have angered the Vauban players. Vauban isn't just "good", he's *very* good.
Complete area control, wide area armor strip, scaling damage, universal damage buff, easy energy economy with archon stretch, and a free helminth slot (which I fill with Resonator).
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Its not bad per se, but there are simply better ones for every single frame you just showed.
Probably yeah if you want to go Roar or Nourish on every warframe, but I'd prefer not to. The synergies Khora and Dagath have with it in particular makes it better above most others, besides the boring meta ones