I bought Honda Civic 2024 sport sedan 4 days ago: squeaky sound right front side suspension, low tire pressure front left. After snow last night cruise control doesn't work until snow melted. Brand new car!?! Not worth that much for sure
@@angelasmr8818 well, toys are supposed to be fun and eye catching. Doesn't all the expensive Ferraris Lambos, etc. look like toys? Now that entry level models are starting to look fancier and fancier, we get to get nicer cars for fairer prices than those reserved for the rich. But, I prefer the aggressive styling better. It's still a nice car, but it looks like it should be an Accord, not a Civic.
So the oil gas dilution problem hasn’t really been solved. So while Honda is saying it’s not an issue unless you live in a cold climate, that’s a red flag for me.
Civic is a great car and one of the top choices in its class. However, it is really expensive now especially the top trim. Its insurance premium is also eye openingly expensive compare to let say Mazda 3, like double the price! Keep this in mind.
The best vehicle for insurance is the Corolla. Mazda 3 and Civics sadly are now popular to teens as race ricers so with that raises the insurance premiums due to those demographics alone
I’m leaning towards the Mazda 3 and checked with my insurance company. I currently have an older Toyota Prius. The premium would go up by less then $300 annually. Doesn’t seem too bad. I guess it depends on where you live. I’m in Southern California. ✌🏻
In my country you can Buy a top trim Mazda 3 for less that the entry version of the Civic. I would lose Bose audio system, a More powerful Engine, a proper automatic transmision, wireless apple carplay and android auto, a bigger 10 inch display, leather seats, electronic seat adjustment, a sunroof and More features just for going Civic over a top trim Mazda 3. The Civic Is DEFINITELY More expensive than It should be. At least in my country.
@@goodrobbyyou can’t fix what was never actually an issue to begin with. Literally EVERY SINGLE direct injection engine will be dealing with the same thing if you take 2 second drives in 0 degree weather.
@@oceanlover3530once you get a vehicle and sit behind it, it’s not as close as you think. It doesn’t distract with driving. I got a 2020 Corolla LE myself
I really enjoy the tests of the normal regular cars! Other people on RUclips only concentrate on the super/dream cars, special one offs, but my interest in cars is full spectrum. I like to hear about cars I can NEVER afford, but that doesn't help me in real life. Please keep it going!
That's fair cause the 2012 is the worst Civic model year. It performed so bad that Honda did an emergency refresh for 2013 after just 1 year on the market.
@@Lucky8s I lost the engine, clutch, trans in a 12 with only 180k on it. Upgraded to a 2013 EX and man....what an upgrade! They sure killed the changes in the models. My 2013 has 250k, not one issue and smoooooooth! Love it.
I work part-time at a dealership chain driving a shuttle. The Civic with the 1.5 turbo isn't nearly as bad reliability wise as the Accord with that engine, but they are still blowing head gaskets frequently. There's something really wrong with the 1.5T design. Stick with the standard NA 2.0.
The headbolt design isn't strong enough to maintain clamping pressure apparently? Plus, 180bhp from a 1.5l engine is a lot of internal cylinder pressure for 87 octane, it must be leaning heavily on the anti-knock engine management. I really wish they had kept the old K24 for this application, same real-world power level, proven design, much less complex.
Looks great and a bunch of great features. However we can ignore the elephant on the room. The realibity issues with honda's 1.5t engine cannot be ignored. Lots of head gasket failures.
@@palebeachbumTechnically not the head gasket, but the bolts holding the heads in aren't beefy enough, so they stretch/deform over time from the combustion pressure, leading to head gasket failure. It might possibly be like the Subaru EJ25 situation... something that doesn't get you in the short run but something that you will have to deal with eventually.
Love my ‘23 Civic Touring in Rally Red. Very comfortable, handling is excellent and looks sharp. Don’t miss having adjustable lumbar. Wish it had a heated steering wheel.
Just had my 2018 CR-V with the 1.5T blow the head gasket at 90,000 kms. Every service performed at the right times… observed the break-in period at the start religiously. I was told by my dealer that they are seeing more and more 1.5T’s coming in with the same issue… the engines are a ticking time bomb. I’ll never drive a car with that engine again. Caveat emptor.
Tiny turbo'd engines to save a little gas, sacrifice reliability… If all these green people actually wanted to save the planet they’d make companies build stuff that lasts forever instead of crap that dies and needs to be replaced sooner.
I had a 2017 civic with the refrigerant condenser issue where the AC broke 3 times in 4 years. Just last summer the AC broke again and they claimed it wasn’t the condenser therefore I would need to pay to fix it. I decided it wasn’t worth the money to invest to fix the AC as clearly it’s not a reliable system so after owning 4 Hondas (2CRV, 2Civics) I’ve now switched to Toyota. Trade in value was unreal though on the civic.
Too many issues with the latest Honda's rolling out the factory. My friend JUST got his 2023 Civic hatch Sport Touring back after a month sitting at the dealership, waiting for whatever part to replace in the power steering rack to correct the manufacturing issue that made the steering freeze in mid-turn at high speeds. He didn't even have the car a full 6 months before it the issue started. For that ridiculous (over) price, I'd rather look elsewhere.
I had a 10th gen hatch that was trouble free for 3 years. No reason to be delusional about the oil dilution problem. I had no issues with this well documented problem. I moved to a 2024 EX-L hatch four months ago. I love this generation a bit more; it’s more refined and as another reviewer said, if you’re over 50 you won’t be embarrassed to drive it. Only regret is that I could have paid less if I had waited until now to buy. Honda dealers here in Iowa have good inventory and are discounting some models including the Civic. I agree on the seats. I found these seats to be very comfortable on an all day road trip. Much better than the previous gen. Great review as always. You’re the best out there!
Don't you think oil delutional could be an asset in some particular conditions? I mean some old bike engines used to require a mix of oil and gas to be fonctional. Honda is a top motorbike manufacturer for a reason and I dont think they would let a problem like that ruine their reputation, specially when you know most of the best formula 1 cars, including Red Bull ones, are fueled by Honda engines.
I have an 11 year old Ridgeline that suits my needs, my wife has had an Odyssey and now a 2024 CR-V. My kids have all had Civics and one has recently purchased an Accord, my brother in law has had a number of Pilots. One thing we all agree on is that they are a little pricey up front but provide a healthy return when sold privately. Honda are one of the biggest engine manufacturers in the world, cars, robots, motorbikes, sewing machines, jet engines, ATV's, lawn mowers etc reliability wise they are a prudent investment.
I've narrowed my next car down to the Civic or the Corolla; reliability is important to me. Aside from the price premium, the thing that disappoints me about Honda is they seem to nickel and dime more when it comes to features. Wired Apple Car Play in 2024? And you have to go all the way up to the top Touring trim just to get some of the very basic safety features like rear cross traffic alert.
Randisney6151 you are better off with a Corolla but also you don’t need top trim, and also you mentioned that you find wired Apple CarPlay and android auto as ancient, that’s another problem. Most of the reviewers review the top trims because that’s what the car brands will give them. A smart shopper normally will get a trim above the base model because most of the comfort creature features are already there that one uses everyday. This applies to most brands and also consider tire sizes before purchase. Myself I got a 2020 Corolla LE that I have owned since 2020. One feature for instance that I don’t use is lane keep assist. The feature is pretty much useless during the winter months when the roads are covered with snow and all you need is heated seats. I know some people may want heated seats but personally that’s something I can love without. Also too many electronics in a vehicle mean more problems down the road long term. Keep that in mind. You can get the top trim Honda if you really want it but honestly lower trims can give you what you need and use… not want.
It's as big as an Accord. What's the point? The Civic is now a bunch of lower trim levels of the Accord with a different name, front-end styling, and significantly less powerful engine. One of the advantages of buying a Civic in the past was that you could far more easily park one than an Accord. That's out the window. Also _"The one to beat?"_ Okay, let me walk over, and stand next to this 2024 Accord. Done!
I got the 2024 Civic Sedan Touring less then 3months ago (It’s a super HQ vehicle on every possible level i’d stack it against a BMW or Mercedes Benz (When you switch it to Sport it’s insanely fast, The audio system is fantastic Bose surround sound speakers that are Theater quality sound on every level (The car may be a bit pricey but, it may be the gold standard for Sedans!
I thought the Corolla beat out the Civic in sales numbers for the past two years? Maybe that was a US stat or something though. Obviously still a very popular choice though!
@@obhatti No, you're correct. The Corolla has been the best seller for the past two years in Canada, which is just about the time Honda bumped up their "Honda tax" and significantly upped the price. Probably not a coincidence.
@@randisney not really back in 2021-2022 Honda had big parts shortages and production issues and couldn’t build enough. For a while you couldn’t find Civics in dealers lots there was a 6-8 month wait meanwhile at Toyota you could find Corollas much easier
Have friends that were a lifetime Honda family. Replaced their CRV, with a new one, it had the oil dilution issue and Honda basically said too bad. They traded it after 2 years and bought a RAV4, now a Toyota family.
@@tvted6160 I have a 2020 NX and indeed the interior trim has cheapened quite a bit. Bigger screens are nice but overall I prefer my 2020. Stopped buying Honda's long ago , too much cost cutting and less reliability than Toyota.
91 civic, 96 integra, 01 prelude, 15 RDX, 24 4Runner. I still keep prelude and RDX. But I am so disappointed at Honda in recent 10 years. Where is the excitement and value they used to offer? Now I am in Toyota camp.
Nice car! I like it! It doesn’t have to be a leather seats, cloth will do nicely. 3 years warranty is not good enough compare Hyundai has 5 years warranty. Only one thing I rather see a bigger touchscreen and a bit lower into the dashboard. Great show Andrea! ☕️☕️
While the price is always a concern. I like you should always try to anticipate 5 year depreciation. Not only is that civic going to probably be trouble free but also also be worth substantially more as compared to some of the others cars in class.
@andreaspencer9813 You should mention that in your reviews. As any Mercedes Benz buyer will attest how their resale is affected after they go out out warranty. We have a 2017 Honda CR-V Touring that we paid $35K in December of 2016 now with only 80K miles and in excellent condition, its still worth $20K private party $15K Depreciation. A 2017 MB GLC 4matic with similar mileage, condition and equipment was around $48K. Nicer vehicle to be sure but now worth around 16K for a $32 hit. A Quick Look at a Ford Escape Titanium. Retail for $33K now worth $13K. The point is that purchasing a vehicle, depreciation has to be considered as a part of total cost of ownership. While Hondas and Toyotas due cost more in all most every instance you'll be much farther ahead. FWIW a Toyota RAV 4 Platinum Sport was about $37K and now worth around 19K
Oh, Hold On Zack, The overwhelming Drone of the CVT Transmission might cause you fits of nausea. Listen to that Gawd Awful Transmission. What Gold Standard Are You Talking About? My 1995 Cuvic with tge B18 engine abs Five-speed manual transmission would make that Civic very embarrassed all day every day. My 02 Accord Big and Heavy as it is has a 2 3L NA engine with a Five-speed transmission, which will easily embarrass that Civic and its counterpart Accord even with a turbo. Drea, stop pandering and even worse purgering yourself to simply get a paycheck. Tell it honestly those are terrible cars set to fail early on in there life. Be Honest Tell the truth.
@Motormouth... Out of curiosity, I have Driven the 23 Civic, Accord, and CRV. Awful all of them. If you or Drea were to drive my 02 Accord, you'd both remember when Driving a Manual Honda was Akin to driving a BMW M3 with a manual. Not as fast but just as fun and engaging.
@@benjaminwilliams3568CVTs are quite smooth to tell you the truth and better in every way. Maybe the horrors of Nissan cvt hat I have got you going crazy. The best advice I have for you is to try a vehicle with CVT and myself I have a vehicle with a CVT right now and it’s different from a regular automatic but it’s so smooth and gas mileage is huge as well. The CVTs have improved over time actually
Quality of materials is poor in this generation. Mine has 7,000 miles and sat for 1 week while on vacation, went to drive the car and the brakes are shuddering from corrosion and blatant pits from the pads resting on the rotor while not in use. Honda will not replace because the brakes “work fine” though the pit marks are eating my pads away every time I drive. I traded in an 18 civic with 91,000 miles on it that had the original brakes and 30% life left. Never had a problem leaving that car for a week unused. And yes it was 25,000 for an lx. Pricey to have to deal with BS.
I'm sorry but the Honda's from the Nineties managed far superior mileage numbers than this iteration. Gold standard? Really? The cost of todays Honda product has gone up appreciably yet the mileage is down. It makes you think? I believe the Toyota is the better buy. Cheers.
So how is it possible that a car ( 1.5L ) that takes forever to warm up in winter, has oil dilution problems, has a known headgasket issue and is being recalled in the US for steering issues "The Gold Standard " ?
I almost bought one until I found out the one I wanted was 32k. No way I could justify that ridiculous price for a compact car. I bout my Mazda CX 5 for the same price and I love it
So you wanted the Civic touring? Did you get all of the same features in the CX 5 you got? I’m seeing a similar trim to the Civic touring is about $5,000 more…
It’s really not compact anymore. It’s mid sized. I know cars have grown. But if we want to try to keep a few actually compact cars, we shouldn’t forget that compact cars used to be compact.
I’m a huge Honda Civic fan… always have been. I haven’t been impressed with every single model or with every generation, but that doesn’t diminish my envisaging it’s potential. Although I’ve owned a CRX Si, my personal favourite Civic will forever remain to be … the base Civic 2-door hatchback manual (3-door?). Although hardly fancy or even fast, I have always found them to be an extremely practical, simple, very inexpensive to run/maintain and were incredibly well priced… all whilst being fun to drive. These newer Civics have sorta lost that ‘magic formula’, especially when it comes to size, options/equipment and PRICE. I still believe them to be great (most highly recommendable) cars, but I continue to wish that they … or anyone could, replicate those simple core values of offering a top tier economy motorcar at a price anyone (even youthful part-timers) could afford… that was FUN to drive. Perhaps I, especially as of late, should get used to abandoning that Dream. Thanks for the video.
Civics are cool. I like the outgoing generation best. My father had an '07. I drive a '15 CR-Z right now. Good car. I know people, and some of the purists don't like it, but it serves my needs, and I think it looks great. I've never driven a CR-X, so I can't compare the two as far as experience goes. I know one criticism was that it doesn't capture the spirit of the original, but I wouldn't know. But as far as the new Civics, they do look nice, but I think they look more like an Accord than a Civic.
My only setback on this car, is that car is much lower to ground, as a result when you are driving on speed-bump one must extra slow, otherwise the bottom to be scratch, which I already did.
In the market for a hybrid, can't wait for the Civic hybrid to compare to Corolla hybrid. Currently driving a 2001 Honda CRV - getting a average of 10L/100km. Very low maintenance - 2 oil changes a year. 295000 km. My in-laws bought a 2024 CRV Hybrid and it's very quiet, they paid a premium though, very pricey.
This will be my next car. I am so tired of multiple trips to the dealership for repairs to my 2020 VW Jetta despite taking it in exactly on time for scheduled maintenance. It will be nice to have a car that is reliable.
I paid a premium on my 1999 Civic but it was worth it for the great reliability. I wouldn't pay a premium for the current Civic with the oil dilution issue. Honda response was not satisfactory imho.. basically Honda are saying live with it as we can't do anything more about it.
When will Honda recognize and fix the sticky steering wheel issue in the 2022-2024 civic and Integra ? I bought a 23 civic touring and at 10,000km I had to have the steering rack replaced. Dealer never mentioned it
@@MidwestPisces if you own one you know the issue. The wheel gets stuck basically when driving and you have to keep jerking it. It’s a faulty steering column I’ve had replaced luckily under warranty. Feels like when you drive and are in a rut.
My son loves the 2017 Civic LX we gifted him in 2020.....solid build quality and reliable for sure. We've learned to trust Honda reliability. My wife's 2007 CRV and my 2012 TSX Wagon are both vault solid, and basically drive like new. Both the new gen. Accord and Civic are appealing designs. Thanks for your easy-to-watch reviews!
It's a decent car and a good choice in the segment, but it is pricey and there have been some issues with them. If I were buying in this segment, I'd buy the Corolla Hybrid. The top trim is about $1300 more, but is AWD, gets incredible fuel economy (some US users have experienced 60+ mpg with relative ease) and is the most reliable vehicle made.
Regarding the lumbar support in car seats, they are necessary and they're great when they work but my last car was a Camry XLE and my present car is an Accord EX. Both had the inflatable lumbar support and both only worked for about a year.
There is no way i would buy the 1.5 Turbo. It's not just oil dilution, it's also blown head gaskets. I have a 2016 EX 2.0 L and the only issue is the A/C/. I plan on upgrading to a 2025 Hybrid hatch.
The headlights look like they’re on high beam all the time, isn’t there a law against that? Almost as bad as Tesla headlights when it comes to blinding oncoming traffic. 🤬
I have been driving accord 2004 for 16 years, just when it reached 138K mileage on the car, my accord started to burn oil, since then I have put 210K on it up until Feb 2024, it still burns oil. Every 1000k driving, I must put 1 liter of engine oil. My daughter drives a Civic 2024 (Touring), I hope I won't run into same issue with Civic.
Looking forward to the Hybrid showing up, finally after decades of dismal to meh hybrids Honda has a fleet of great ones. Wish the Fit was still offered in NA, it would be the most expensive economy sub compact for sale, but it would also be the undisputed king of the segment. [edit] The last Insight was good, but I never see them, and I don't think many people know or care it exists.
How about a video comparing a regular gas version vs a hybrid of the same vehicle. Price difference and how long it would take to get e return on investment for the premium paid for the hybrid. Nice work both of you, your Hyundai battery video got me second guessing buying a EV. I'm focusing on a hybrid now to drive for the next 10-12 yrs
I watched several videos on those compact cars and one on the Hyundai. I drove 3 of them. Not kidding, it took 3 months. Finally I found a Honda dealer willing to sell me a Civic at MSRP. You don't want to know how many videos I had to watch to build a little skill and confidence. I paid nothing extra except $85 Doc fees. It helped My Dealership has built a bit of a rep for Fair Trade. They have only been open a few years. Maybe that's why.
Awesome video Andrea and Zack! My 2020 civic lease will be up in November, so not sure I'll keep mine or upgrade or go completely new with car from another make
i heard complaints from my Asia friends saying alot of recent years Toyota cars have water leaks to their engine compartment. I am wondering if you guys can look into that issue and see if there is water/rain leaking issue in US/Canada Toyota cars.
@imba734 yea think i found a bunch of videos from Asia this year and last year saying alot of recent years toyota cars have total possible 5 water/rain leaks spots to engine compartment. There is drama going on in Asia toyota cars now it seems.
I love this Civic! I still own my 2012 and it runs perfectly! We also just purchased a 2024 CRV hybrid and the same day my sister purchased a 2024 Civic! Honda family for life!
I just upgraded from my 2012 to a 2013......WOW! I was in love with the 12, but I am head over heels for the 13~ what an upgrade they did that year! Amazing car! 250k and not one issue, smooth as silk.
Hey Zach - That's "Piano Black" plastic, so it's completely forgivable, given it's the current "luxury" style. Civics are truly the best cars in the category. My first Honda Civic was a 2 speed automatic 1973, bought in the first week they came on sale. My future father-in-law bought it for his then turning 16 year old daughter, whom I was dating at the time. As a licenced driver, I got to teach her to drive, and she drove that unstoppable Civic for over 80,000 miles in 10 years. We replaced it with a manual VW Jetta GLi Wolfsburg Edition in '84, as our first family car. The Civic was actually more reliable - as in my experience, German cars have many issues, which that Honda Civic never encountered. Honda Civics are all the cars that people really need... anything more expensive is just showing off how much money you can spend on depreciation.
Stodgy Honda styling, budget CVT transmission, & most trims have a small-displacement economy-turbo (time-bomb) GDI engine. No thanks. I would choose a Mazda3 sedan over this (or a Corolla) any day as far as full ICE vehicles go.
Nice car, but I’m really leaning towards the Mazda 3 sedan. I like the looks better and the way it handles. I test drove one yesterday and it’s a beautiful car. Great upscale interior too. ✌🏻✌🏻
Plus, it is cheaper than the civic. And i can bet mazdas 2.5 NA engine is way more reliable than these new 1.5Turbo civic engines. The 2.5L NA from mazda has been proven to be really reliable for several years by now. These new civic engines have a surprisingly high number of failure reports.
We went to test drive Corolla oh were we in shock, both my son and i agreed the plastic in the Corolla is totally embarrassed ! cheap Civic looks and feel premium I drove a lot and nothing beats the 06-08 Acura TSX period Is there a manual version ?
The car might be the "gold-standard", but its price is ridiculously eye-popping!
Gold is expensive of course lol
Brilliant response.
Buy a used civic and a few ounces of gold! 💡
While I agree, it seems that every car nowadays is expensive! I still rather pay a bit more for a Honda than buy a Kia or Hyundai.
I bought Honda Civic 2024 sport sedan 4 days ago: squeaky sound right front side suspension, low tire pressure front left. After snow last night cruise control doesn't work until snow melted.
Brand new car!?!
Not worth that much for sure
but as a an old fart toooo low to get into
Nice model, finally doesn’t look like a toy. Compact cars are going to make a comeback, I hope. 🤞🏼
It literally looks like a big cute toy
@@angelasmr8818 well, toys are supposed to be fun and eye catching. Doesn't all the expensive Ferraris Lambos, etc. look like toys? Now that entry level models are starting to look fancier and fancier, we get to get nicer cars for fairer prices than those reserved for the rich.
But, I prefer the aggressive styling better. It's still a nice car, but it looks like it should be an Accord, not a Civic.
Yeah, suvs are not for everyone now.
One of the best small sedans on the planet. Looks fantastic in Aegan blue or the Raylee red.
So the oil gas dilution problem hasn’t really been solved. So while Honda is saying it’s not an issue unless you live in a cold climate, that’s a red flag for me.
Civic is a great car and one of the top choices in its class. However, it is really expensive now especially the top trim. Its insurance premium is also eye openingly expensive compare to let say Mazda 3, like double the price! Keep this in mind.
I just bought this car and cross shopped with the Mazda 3 the Mazda insurance was actually higher than the Civic for me!!
The best vehicle for insurance is the Corolla. Mazda 3 and Civics sadly are now popular to teens as race ricers so with that raises the insurance premiums due to those demographics alone
I’m leaning towards the Mazda 3 and checked with my insurance company. I currently have an older Toyota Prius. The premium would go up by less then $300 annually. Doesn’t seem too bad. I guess it depends on where you live. I’m in Southern California. ✌🏻
In my country you can Buy a top trim Mazda 3 for less that the entry version of the Civic.
I would lose Bose audio system, a More powerful Engine, a proper automatic transmision, wireless apple carplay and android auto, a bigger 10 inch display, leather seats, electronic seat adjustment, a sunroof and More features just for going Civic over a top trim Mazda 3.
The Civic Is DEFINITELY More expensive than It should be. At least in my country.
Now that most of these1.5T are coming out of warranty, there's a high failure of headgasket due to thin headbolts
Not only that, the oil dilution issue hasn't really been completely fixed.
No they aren’t. It’s just you see two people on the internet and you just assume that.
@@goodrobbyyou can’t fix what was never actually an issue to begin with. Literally EVERY SINGLE direct injection engine will be dealing with the same thing if you take 2 second drives in 0 degree weather.
I still have last years model and love it. It was also made in Canada! They did a really good job. 🎉
Am I the only one who hates the display sitting up like a ipad on the dash? I prefer it to be in I feel like it's distracting.
I agree. It’s placement is odd and feels to close to the driver. Not a fan. ✌🏻
@@oceanlover3530once you get a vehicle and sit behind it, it’s not as close as you think. It doesn’t distract with driving. I got a 2020 Corolla LE myself
I really enjoy the tests of the normal regular cars! Other people on RUclips only concentrate on the super/dream cars, special one offs, but my interest in cars is full spectrum. I like to hear about cars I can NEVER afford, but that doesn't help me in real life. Please keep it going!
That Civic looks a hella lot better than my 2012 Honda EX, which I still own and drive.
Most uncomfortable car seats ever devised or less than accurate?
That's fair cause the 2012 is the worst Civic model year. It performed so bad that Honda did an emergency refresh for 2013 after just 1 year on the market.
@@Lucky8s I lost the engine, clutch, trans in a 12 with only 180k on it. Upgraded to a 2013 EX and man....what an upgrade! They sure killed the changes in the models. My 2013 has 250k, not one issue and smoooooooth! Love it.
I work part-time at a dealership chain driving a shuttle. The Civic with the 1.5 turbo isn't nearly as bad reliability wise as the Accord with that engine, but they are still blowing head gaskets frequently. There's something really wrong with the 1.5T design. Stick with the standard NA 2.0.
The headbolt design isn't strong enough to maintain clamping pressure apparently? Plus, 180bhp from a 1.5l engine is a lot of internal cylinder pressure for 87 octane, it must be leaning heavily on the anti-knock engine management. I really wish they had kept the old K24 for this application, same real-world power level, proven design, much less complex.
Wow, the oil dilution and now head gaskets? I feel like I might as well get another Elantra and save a few grand.
Looks great and a bunch of great features. However we can ignore the elephant on the room. The realibity issues with honda's 1.5t engine cannot be ignored. Lots of head gasket failures.
@@palebeachbumTechnically not the head gasket, but the bolts holding the heads in aren't beefy enough, so they stretch/deform over time from the combustion pressure, leading to head gasket failure. It might possibly be like the Subaru EJ25 situation... something that doesn't get you in the short run but something that you will have to deal with eventually.
The lack of a heated steering wheel in the US baffles me. I live in North Dakota, farther north and in a colder climate than half of Canadians do.
Ikr. It's like cars are designed for the US market for ppl who live south of Cincinnati.
Omg...lol. I do not miss living in ND. I was stationed at GF AFB for 6yrs. Days of negative 17*F without the windchill. "Where hell freezes over".
Put some gloves on, problem solved, sugar britches.
because 5 people live in north dakota
@@AS-sn5gfI only know 4. Will need to let me know where the 5th lives.
Love my ‘23 Civic Touring in Rally Red. Very comfortable, handling is excellent and looks sharp. Don’t miss having adjustable lumbar. Wish it had a heated steering wheel.
Just had my 2018 CR-V with the 1.5T blow the head gasket at 90,000 kms. Every service performed at the right times… observed the break-in period at the start religiously. I was told by my dealer that they are seeing more and more 1.5T’s coming in with the same issue… the engines are a ticking time bomb. I’ll never drive a car with that engine again. Caveat emptor.
That failure is common now as there is a flaw on the design of these engines
Tiny turbo'd engines to save a little gas, sacrifice reliability…
If all these green people actually wanted to save the planet they’d make companies build stuff that lasts forever instead of crap that dies and needs to be replaced sooner.
I would NEVER purchase a Honda over a Toyota, had one not interested in another Honda
@@richarddecicco3288 What turned you off them?
I had a 2017 civic with the refrigerant condenser issue where the AC broke 3 times in 4 years. Just last summer the AC broke again and they claimed it wasn’t the condenser therefore I would need to pay to fix it. I decided it wasn’t worth the money to invest to fix the AC as clearly it’s not a reliable system so after owning 4 Hondas (2CRV, 2Civics) I’ve now switched to Toyota. Trade in value was unreal though on the civic.
Too many issues with the latest Honda's rolling out the factory. My friend JUST got his 2023 Civic hatch Sport Touring back after a month sitting at the dealership, waiting for whatever part to replace in the power steering rack to correct the manufacturing issue that made the steering freeze in mid-turn at high speeds. He didn't even have the car a full 6 months before it the issue started. For that ridiculous (over) price, I'd rather look elsewhere.
I had a 10th gen hatch that was trouble free for 3 years. No reason to be delusional about the oil dilution problem. I had no issues with this well documented problem. I moved to a 2024 EX-L hatch four months ago. I love this generation a bit more; it’s more refined and as another reviewer said, if you’re over 50 you won’t be embarrassed to drive it. Only regret is that I could have paid less if I had waited until now to buy. Honda dealers here in Iowa have good inventory and are discounting some models including the Civic. I agree on the seats. I found these seats to be very comfortable on an all day road trip. Much better than the previous gen. Great review as always. You’re the best out there!
Don't you think oil delutional could be an asset in some particular conditions? I mean some old bike engines used to require a mix of oil and gas to be fonctional. Honda is a top motorbike manufacturer for a reason and I dont think they would let a problem like that ruine their reputation, specially when you know most of the best formula 1 cars, including Red Bull ones, are fueled by Honda engines.
I am surprised you didn’t compare the Civic to the Mazda 3?
I have an 11 year old Ridgeline that suits my needs, my wife has had an Odyssey and now a 2024 CR-V.
My kids have all had Civics and one has recently purchased an Accord, my brother in law has had a number of Pilots.
One thing we all agree on is that they are a little pricey up front but provide a healthy return when sold privately.
Honda are one of the biggest engine manufacturers in the world, cars, robots, motorbikes, sewing machines, jet engines, ATV's, lawn mowers etc reliability wise they are a prudent investment.
Dude I'd love a Ridgeline. So jelly
I've narrowed my next car down to the Civic or the Corolla; reliability is important to me. Aside from the price premium, the thing that disappoints me about Honda is they seem to nickel and dime more when it comes to features. Wired Apple Car Play in 2024? And you have to go all the way up to the top Touring trim just to get some of the very basic safety features like rear cross traffic alert.
Don't get the 1.5T
Randisney6151 you are better off with a Corolla but also you don’t need top trim, and also you mentioned that you find wired Apple CarPlay and android auto as ancient, that’s another problem. Most of the reviewers review the top trims because that’s what the car brands will give them. A smart shopper normally will get a trim above the base model because most of the comfort creature features are already there that one uses everyday. This applies to most brands and also consider tire sizes before purchase. Myself I got a 2020 Corolla LE that I have owned since 2020. One feature for instance that I don’t use is lane keep assist. The feature is pretty much useless during the winter months when the roads are covered with snow and all you need is heated seats. I know some people may want heated seats but personally that’s something I can love without. Also too many electronics in a vehicle mean more problems down the road long term. Keep that in mind. You can get the top trim Honda if you really want it but honestly lower trims can give you what you need and use… not want.
Best cars ever. Germans cannot match Honda QC & Engineering.
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The Civic is no longer a “compact econobox”. It has grown up.
It is more of a “budget mid-sized car” now.
very expensive these I mostly buy the cheaper model so I own the le rav4 hybrid
I bought one for my daughter in Dec 2023 (Touring), I did not know Civic come in Hybrid, otherwise I would have waited for Hybrid.
it doesn't come yet - on 2025
It's as big as an Accord. What's the point? The Civic is now a bunch of lower trim levels of the Accord with a different name, front-end styling, and significantly less powerful engine. One of the advantages of buying a Civic in the past was that you could far more easily park one than an Accord. That's out the window. Also _"The one to beat?"_ Okay, let me walk over, and stand next to this 2024 Accord. Done!
I got the 2024 Civic Sedan Touring less then 3months ago (It’s a super HQ vehicle on every possible level i’d stack it against a BMW or Mercedes Benz (When you switch it to Sport it’s insanely fast, The audio system is fantastic Bose surround sound speakers that are Theater quality sound on every level (The car may be a bit pricey but, it may be the gold standard for Sedans!
Most people do not buy the Touring model they buy the Sport or LX/EX. Why not review the trim most people buy instead of always the top trim?
The 2024 civic is priced over a Corolla, closer to the Camry SE. I bought the Camry. 203hp 8 speed IRS and 5.2L/100 on the highway.
exactly
You guys work very hard. Cant keep up with all these content. Kudos!
Broadcasting School served both of you very well. Even with an inferior mic, you still sound very professional. Happy Driving!
Can you imagine how many years the Honda Civic has been Canada's best selling vehicle? Some Canadians have a Honda Civic as their first car.
I thought the Corolla beat out the Civic in sales numbers for the past two years? Maybe that was a US stat or something though. Obviously still a very popular choice though!
@@obhatti No, you're correct. The Corolla has been the best seller for the past two years in Canada, which is just about the time Honda bumped up their "Honda tax" and significantly upped the price. Probably not a coincidence.
@@randisney not really back in 2021-2022 Honda had big parts shortages and production issues and couldn’t build enough. For a while you couldn’t find Civics in dealers lots there was a 6-8 month wait meanwhile at Toyota you could find Corollas much easier
@@obhattiToyota is purposely keeping Corolla production very low
@@obhattiimpossible to buy new Corolla - one has to wait months to get anew Corolla in Vancouver.
Have friends that were a lifetime Honda family. Replaced their CRV, with a new one, it had the oil dilution issue and Honda basically said too bad. They traded it after 2 years and bought a RAV4, now a Toyota family.
Toyota Lexus really are the only brand left that are good. But even Toyota will succumb to greed and quality will eventually plummet 😢
@@tvted6160 I have a 2020 NX and indeed the interior trim has cheapened quite a bit. Bigger screens are nice but overall I prefer my 2020. Stopped buying Honda's long ago , too much cost cutting and less reliability than Toyota.
Cool story
91 civic, 96 integra, 01 prelude, 15 RDX, 24 4Runner. I still keep prelude and RDX. But I am so disappointed at Honda in recent 10 years. Where is the excitement and value they used to offer? Now I am in Toyota camp.
I would go with Toyota as well. The Honda oil dilution issue is still a problem.
Nice car! I like it! It doesn’t have to be a leather seats, cloth will do nicely. 3 years warranty is not good enough compare Hyundai has 5 years warranty. Only one thing I rather see a bigger touchscreen and a bit lower into the dashboard. Great show Andrea! ☕️☕️
Hyundai needs the longer warranty. Its junk
While the price is always a concern. I like you should always try to anticipate 5 year depreciation. Not only is that civic going to probably be trouble free but also also be worth substantially more as compared to some of the others cars in class.
Resale value is a big one!
@andreaspencer9813 You should mention that in your reviews. As any Mercedes Benz buyer will attest how their resale is affected after they go out out warranty. We have a 2017 Honda CR-V Touring that we paid $35K in December of 2016 now with only 80K miles and in excellent condition, its still worth $20K private party $15K Depreciation. A 2017 MB GLC 4matic with similar mileage, condition and equipment was around $48K. Nicer vehicle to be sure but now worth around 16K for a $32 hit. A Quick Look at a Ford Escape Titanium. Retail for $33K now worth $13K. The point is that purchasing a vehicle, depreciation has to be considered as a part of total cost of ownership. While Hondas and Toyotas due cost more in all most every instance you'll be much farther ahead. FWIW a Toyota RAV 4 Platinum Sport was about $37K and now worth around 19K
Oh, Hold On Zack, The overwhelming Drone of the CVT Transmission might cause you fits of nausea. Listen to that Gawd Awful Transmission. What Gold Standard Are You Talking About?
My 1995 Cuvic with tge B18 engine abs Five-speed manual transmission would make that Civic very embarrassed all day every day. My 02 Accord Big and Heavy as it is has a 2 3L NA engine with a Five-speed transmission, which will easily embarrass that Civic and its counterpart Accord even with a turbo.
Drea, stop pandering and even worse purgering yourself to simply get a paycheck. Tell it honestly those are terrible cars set to fail early on in there life. Be Honest Tell the truth.
I suspect you have never driven this car. As we said we have the last gen, it's very reliable.
@Motormouth... Out of curiosity, I have Driven the 23 Civic, Accord, and CRV. Awful all of them. If you or Drea were to drive my 02 Accord, you'd both remember when Driving a Manual Honda was Akin to driving a BMW M3 with a manual. Not as fast but just as fun and engaging.
@@benjaminwilliams3568CVTs are quite smooth to tell you the truth and better in every way. Maybe the horrors of Nissan cvt hat I have got you going crazy. The best advice I have for you is to try a vehicle with CVT and myself I have a vehicle with a CVT right now and it’s different from a regular automatic but it’s so smooth and gas mileage is huge as well. The CVTs have improved over time actually
Wear Gloves for the 15 minutes it takes to warm up the interior.
Quality of materials is poor in this generation. Mine has 7,000 miles and sat for 1 week while on vacation, went to drive the car and the brakes are shuddering from corrosion and blatant pits from the pads resting on the rotor while not in use. Honda will not replace because the brakes “work fine” though the pit marks are eating my pads away every time I drive. I traded in an 18 civic with 91,000 miles on it that had the original brakes and 30% life left. Never had a problem leaving that car for a week unused. And yes it was 25,000 for an lx. Pricey to have to deal with BS.
You lost me at CVT…..nope
I'm sorry but the Honda's from the Nineties managed far superior mileage numbers than this iteration. Gold standard? Really? The cost of todays Honda product has gone up appreciably yet the mileage is down. It makes you think? I believe the Toyota is the better buy. Cheers.
They were also way smaller and lighter!
Exactly! @@ms.b9093
Hello-
I do like the new look for the Civic for all ages
Thanks for sharing.
Good ... as a 65 years old dinosaur myself, at least my car will look like it belongs in the 21st century. 🤣
Amazing car with not so amazing price. They wonder why their competitors do better nowadays
All you have to do is follow some Honda mechanics on social media and see how many engine issues they work on. The 1.5T is trash.
Honda mobile mechanic is the perfect RUclipsr for Honda products and problems
So how is it possible that a car ( 1.5L ) that takes forever to warm up in winter, has oil dilution problems, has a known headgasket issue and is being recalled in the US for steering issues "The Gold Standard " ?
IT NEVER was....💯🙄
I know 2024 civic takes longer to warm up the engine, I witness it too but not so sure it will contribute to oil burning in the car.
…..CVT is where honda and Subaru lost me.
I almost bought one until I found out the one I wanted was 32k. No way I could justify that ridiculous price for a compact car. I bout my Mazda CX 5 for the same price and I love it
So you wanted the Civic touring? Did you get all of the same features in the CX 5 you got? I’m seeing a similar trim to the Civic touring is about $5,000 more…
It’s really not compact anymore. It’s mid sized. I know cars have grown. But if we want to try to keep a few actually compact cars, we shouldn’t forget that compact cars used to be compact.
Definitely against the CVT transmission. I'll take a Mazda 3 sedan, please.
Until you try the CVT you will change your mind quick
@@alvinsimba734 I had one, wouldn’t have another, sounded like a motorboat
Nice review guys. This appear to be the size of an early 2000s Honda Accord.
Exterior dimensions of this car matches the CD5 Accord from the early 90s
I’m a huge Honda Civic fan… always have been. I haven’t been impressed with every single model or with every generation, but that doesn’t diminish my envisaging it’s potential. Although I’ve owned a CRX Si, my personal favourite Civic will forever remain to be … the base Civic 2-door hatchback manual (3-door?). Although hardly fancy or even fast, I have always found them to be an extremely practical, simple, very inexpensive to run/maintain and were incredibly well priced… all whilst being fun to drive. These newer Civics have sorta lost that ‘magic formula’, especially when it comes to size, options/equipment and PRICE. I still believe them to be great (most highly recommendable) cars, but I continue to wish that they … or anyone could, replicate those simple core values of offering a top tier economy motorcar at a price anyone (even youthful part-timers) could afford… that was FUN to drive. Perhaps I, especially as of late, should get used to abandoning that Dream. Thanks for the video.
Civics are cool. I like the outgoing generation best. My father had an '07. I drive a '15 CR-Z right now. Good car. I know people, and some of the purists don't like it, but it serves my needs, and I think it looks great. I've never driven a CR-X, so I can't compare the two as far as experience goes. I know one criticism was that it doesn't capture the spirit of the original, but I wouldn't know.
But as far as the new Civics, they do look nice, but I think they look more like an Accord than a Civic.
Civic and CR-V made in Canada.
Good quality.
The cars manufactured in Mexico…not so much.
Unaffordable. Next.....
Im still 9th generation anyways. LOVING my 2013 Civic.
My only setback on this car, is that car is much lower to ground, as a result when you are driving on speed-bump one must extra slow, otherwise the bottom to be scratch, which I already did.
The Honda of today isn’t the Honda of the past.
In the market for a hybrid, can't wait for the Civic hybrid to compare to Corolla hybrid. Currently driving a 2001 Honda CRV - getting a average of 10L/100km. Very low maintenance - 2 oil changes a year. 295000 km. My in-laws bought a 2024 CRV Hybrid and it's very quiet, they paid a premium though, very pricey.
I love to see you reviewing economy cars/SUVs. I believe that most of us live in that space.
Looks like a smaller Accord. I like it 👍
This will be my next car. I am so tired of multiple trips to the dealership for repairs to my 2020 VW Jetta despite taking it in exactly on time for scheduled maintenance. It will be nice to have a car that is reliable.
Nice. I have the 10th Gen FC 2018, never had issues.
Nice leather jackets
If you didn't hear back from Honda HQ about the condenser, then chances are its still faulty.
I considered the Civic but the styling holds me back. It just looks to much like a Jetta. I want something more exciting to look at.
Love the Car videos! & Love Honda! Great vehicles!
Yes, I owned the 2022 sport touring hatchback but I had to sell it to pay for my dog medical bills. I’ll get another one someday though, I hope.😂
Oil dilution, how about low friction piston rings Honda? Yes they contribute to fuel mileage but at the expense of maintenance and owner angst.
I paid a premium on my 1999 Civic but it was worth it for the great reliability. I wouldn't pay a premium for the current Civic with the oil dilution issue. Honda response was not satisfactory imho.. basically Honda are saying live with it as we can't do anything more about it.
I'm from California. Can't wait for civic hybrid. Not into full ev
When will Honda recognize and fix the sticky steering wheel issue in the 2022-2024 civic and Integra ? I bought a 23 civic touring and at 10,000km I had to have the steering rack replaced.
Dealer never mentioned it
What sticky steering wheel issue? Describe it better
@@MidwestPisces if you own one you know the issue. The wheel gets stuck basically when driving and you have to keep jerking it. It’s a faulty steering column I’ve had replaced luckily under warranty.
Feels like when you drive and are in a rut.
“Didn’t get back to us “ about time someone addressed Honda Canadas awful corporate practices!!
My son loves the 2017 Civic LX we gifted him in 2020.....solid build quality and reliable for sure. We've learned to trust Honda reliability. My wife's 2007 CRV and my 2012 TSX Wagon are both vault solid, and basically drive like new. Both the new gen. Accord and Civic are appealing designs. Thanks for your easy-to-watch reviews!
It's a decent car and a good choice in the segment, but it is pricey and there have been some issues with them. If I were buying in this segment, I'd buy the Corolla Hybrid. The top trim is about $1300 more, but is AWD, gets incredible fuel economy (some US users have experienced 60+ mpg with relative ease) and is the most reliable vehicle made.
Regarding the lumbar support in car seats, they are necessary and they're great when they work but my last car was a Camry XLE and my present car is an Accord EX. Both had the inflatable lumbar support and both only worked for about a year.
There is no way i would buy the 1.5 Turbo. It's not just oil dilution, it's also blown head gaskets. I have a 2016 EX 2.0 L and the only issue is the A/C/. I plan on upgrading to a 2025 Hybrid hatch.
Is the suspension in the civic any better? I found in the past that they were often harsh and bumpy on roads in poor condition.
I think the infotainment system looks out of place still... Sticking out like that is very 2010s.
Its been an amazing car in its class since it was first launched. Much bigger now but still fantastic.
The headlights look like they’re on high beam all the time, isn’t there a law against that? Almost as bad as Tesla headlights when it comes to blinding oncoming traffic. 🤬
I have been driving accord 2004 for 16 years, just when it reached 138K mileage on the car, my accord started to burn oil, since then I have put 210K on it up until Feb 2024, it still burns oil. Every 1000k driving, I must put 1 liter of engine oil.
My daughter drives a Civic 2024 (Touring), I hope I won't run into same issue with Civic.
Waiting what you think on the 2024 Tesla model 3 refresh
Looking forward to the Hybrid showing up, finally after decades of dismal to meh hybrids Honda has a fleet of great ones. Wish the Fit was still offered in NA, it would be the most expensive economy sub compact for sale, but it would also be the undisputed king of the segment. [edit] The last Insight was good, but I never see them, and I don't think many people know or care it exists.
How about a video comparing a regular gas version vs a hybrid of the same vehicle. Price difference and how long it would take to get e return on investment for the premium paid for the hybrid. Nice work both of you, your Hyundai battery video got me second guessing buying a EV. I'm focusing on a hybrid now to drive for the next 10-12 yrs
Thank you for reviewing cars the working family can afford...pricing of one up from base model brings Camry SE into comparison...
This is why lower trims exist for a reason and they offer best value for your money
Hey Zack & Andrea, can you ask Honda to come back to the Toronto Auto Show? I was disappointed that they (and Acura) wasn’t there.
I watched several videos on those compact cars and one on the Hyundai. I drove 3 of them. Not kidding, it took 3 months. Finally I found a Honda dealer willing to sell me a Civic at MSRP. You don't want to know how many videos I had to watch to build a little skill and confidence. I paid nothing extra except $85 Doc fees.
It helped My Dealership has built a bit of a rep for Fair Trade. They have only been open a few years. Maybe that's why.
Same here! I just got the Civic EX for $27k , $29k total OTD with taxes and my city transit fee.
Awesome video Andrea and Zack! My 2020 civic lease will be up in November, so not sure I'll keep mine or upgrade or go completely new with car from another make
Nice reveiw non of Hondas engines are any longer bulit proof
Gold standard is the Corolla. Honda's cvt have been falling off a cliff with issues.
Loving my aegan blue 2024 Civic Si!!
Civic is such a successful car. It only needs to update its mechanical bits, while leaving its design evolutionary rather than revolutionary.
i heard complaints from my Asia friends saying alot of recent years Toyota cars have water leaks to their engine compartment. I am wondering if you guys can look into that issue and see if there is water/rain leaking issue in US/Canada Toyota cars.
Not mine, I got a 2020 Corolla myself
@imba734 yea think i found a bunch of videos from Asia this year and last year saying alot of recent years toyota cars have total possible 5 water/rain leaks spots to engine compartment. There is drama going on in Asia toyota cars now it seems.
Can you guys test the Honda civic hatch Sport with the basic engine 2.0 with the manual transmission . Your guys are great.
I love this Civic! I still own my 2012 and it runs perfectly! We also just purchased a 2024 CRV hybrid and the same day my sister purchased a 2024 Civic! Honda family for life!
I love the 2012 Civic.
Yes, Honda pre-newtechwhizbangery was pretty solid.
I just upgraded from my 2012 to a 2013......WOW! I was in love with the 12, but I am head over heels for the 13~ what an upgrade they did that year! Amazing car! 250k and not one issue, smooth as silk.
Hey Zach - That's "Piano Black" plastic, so it's completely forgivable, given it's the current "luxury" style. Civics are truly the best cars in the category. My first Honda Civic was a 2 speed automatic 1973, bought in the first week they came on sale. My future father-in-law bought it for his then turning 16 year old daughter, whom I was dating at the time. As a licenced driver, I got to teach her to drive, and she drove that unstoppable Civic for over 80,000 miles in 10 years. We replaced it with a manual VW Jetta GLi Wolfsburg Edition in '84, as our first family car. The Civic was actually more reliable - as in my experience, German cars have many issues, which that Honda Civic never encountered. Honda Civics are all the cars that people really need... anything more expensive is just showing off how much money you can spend on depreciation.
We only get the 2L Atkinson, two electric motor, hybrid version.
No CVT anymore, actualy an electric car with petrol engine working as a generator.
I hate the vent design, after living with the my HRV mostly I can't use any of fragrence vent clips.
Those air fresheners have been found to mess with fertility and may possibly cause cancer. Just sayin…..
Stodgy Honda styling, budget CVT transmission, & most trims have a small-displacement economy-turbo (time-bomb) GDI engine. No thanks. I would choose a Mazda3 sedan over this (or a Corolla) any day as far as full ICE vehicles go.
Amen! Hondas have always been highly overrated and grossly overpriced. 🤑💰🤮
Nice car, but I’m really leaning towards the Mazda 3 sedan. I like the looks better and the way it handles. I test drove one yesterday and it’s a beautiful car. Great upscale interior too. ✌🏻✌🏻
Plus, it is cheaper than the civic. And i can bet mazdas 2.5 NA engine is way more reliable than these new 1.5Turbo civic engines. The 2.5L NA from mazda has been proven to be really reliable for several years by now. These new civic engines have a surprisingly high number of failure reports.
@@tacipotti7289 👍🏻👍🏻
@@tacipotti7289”a surprisingly high number of failure reports” lmfao you have no idea what you’re talking about.
We went to test drive Corolla
oh were we in shock, both my son and i agreed the plastic in the Corolla is totally embarrassed ! cheap
Civic looks and feel premium
I drove a lot and nothing beats the 06-08 Acura TSX period
Is there a manual version ?
the Civic is an institution in Canada.
Great cars with the non turbo engine, why has Honda priced all models at such crazy high prices. Love my 2012 CRV, think I will keep as long as I can.