Mark Goldbridge reacts to the VAR findings for Declan Rice's red card for Arsenal and the late Bournemouth goal that should have stood against Newcastle. Get your comments in below.
I think the BIGGEST and most common sense approach to the Rice second yellow that no so called expert has ever discussed. is that if Rice doesn't move that ball he's getting absolutely clattered and colliding with Pedro anyway. Which is exactly why Pedro did it. He knew if he kicked it he was close enough to Rice to generate some sort of reaction
Something else to look at is the fact that Veltman actually rolls the ball into the back of Declan as he is walking away which then prompts Declan to touch it to the side of him. Shoddy officiating as usual
Mark, have you seen the transcript of the Spurs vs Arsenal game and what Mike Dean has said about yellow cards in the second half? "In a game like this you can't go too early for a second yellow... the threshold needs to be much higher.' Not what he was saying when he was defending the decision after the match.
Commentary on Milan v Liverpool game last night. Former ref Clattenburg says the ref "needs to give some soft fouls to Milan because the home fans are getting annoyed"... what sort of nonesense is that?! Give some fouls because it will make the fans like you more? Absolute jokers, these referees.
Same ref who admitted in a title decider he purposely didn’t send off Spurs players vs Chelsea because he didn’t want the Spurs players to blame him for losing the league. He’s always been corrupt.
Clattenberg who was always a "Homer" at old trafford so much so that Fergie "did him a favour" and supported him in his case against Chelsea, when it was against the rules for clubs to be talking directly to refs.
As soon as he said it, I knew there'd be an uproar about it. I have no idea why he said that. The referee had a good game in my opinion and the commentators kept going on about how inexperienced he was.
What if all the clubs came together and threatened to boycott a couple of game weeks? Probably the only hope if fans and supporters put pressure on club boards.
@@Levine93 arteta tried and pgmol told Arsenal if we complain / back arteta we face points dedication, inside the world of football everyone clearly knows -will just take supporters not turning up to stadia and the whole ring falls apart.
@@SharmV Supporters not showing up to games doesn’t do anything anymore they’ll just get replaced by “one game goers” tourists every week. You’ll still have full stadiums every week apart from the Ethiad. Needs multiple players and managers speaking up simultaneously, followed by club owners and board members, threaten boycotts of games until PGMOL is overhauled. Dare I say threaten a new breakaway English top flight league where officials from any league or country can work in. Therefore they can be no bias or a “look out for your mates” circle.
It's corrupt as hell. I'm betting a penny to a pound, that Man City will get a few million quid fine , and a few points deduction for next season. Guarantee they won't get relegated, might cost them one season without winning and that's it
Howard Webb says Declan Rice has no business being there while in reality Rice was moving away and some idiot kicked the ball 2 yards up toward Rice.....
@@scientiaestpotentia2007 Arsenal and Liverpool both been cheated out of a league title, it’s not even funny anymore for the rivals it’s just ruining football.
@@SharmVisn't it weird how it's whoever is competing closest with city who get screwed the most. And isn't it weird half the top refs got paid obscene amounts to go ref in Qatar and Saudi...
@@Dannyboyefc- you saw the main screen. Can you point is to a picture of what was in the black case on the floor in front of the VAR screen, you know the on the ground where the ref was looking?? Not seen a picture of what was in that case, maybe the back up screen that PGMOL said it was?
The 'left me no choice' is such a dumb argument as well.. I mean there would've been no outrage from anyone if the referee had just opted to warn both players. No Brighton fans after would've been up in arms about him not getting a red cause it was a complete non-event. Just the weekly previously McGinn and White smashed the ball at each other in the heat of the moment and ref just calmed them down and told them to get on with the game.
The fact the ball was rolling. If they keep on going on about the letter of the law then they should stick to all elements of the action not just the action at the end that they seem to have highlighted. Also if VAR are in the ref's ear about Rice's incident then why weren't they there for the Joao Pedro incident?
Newcastle fan (lived in Bournemouth for 25 years too) and I agree with you. You deserved to and should have won that game a few weeks ago. Is there a credible official overseeing the game anymore in the PL? We have to keep fighting for common sense.
@@antonyallen8025 the fact that not a single Newcastle player remotely protests against the goal proves you’re wrong 🤣 not even the keeper who would have had the best view out of anyone!
It's just too obvious now, it's kind of "in your face" corruption. When a City player kicks the ball away next game and doesn't receive a yellow, they'll just say "we listened to the fans and reviewed our decision, we'll only be handing these yellows out in extreme cases." Yellows for "kicking the ball away" were given to two players this season, one was Rice the other was Saliba. Look the PGMOL aren't stupid. Last season they noticed that not a single Arsenal player missed a game because of accomulation of 5 yellows. This season Refs are handing them yellows left, right and center. I think Timber is already on 3 yellows, which is insane.
The PGMOL in the pockets of the owners of City. Even the match fixtures are rigged. We got thursday night champions league football away, and then going away to city on Sunday. The whole game is rigged. City MUST win at all costs.
@@kierangibson9103 y’all are so delusional lmfao. None of the charges are related to match fixing. Just be cause you hate us doesn’t mean you need to make up false narratives
@@alistairsmith5389 Let’s not talk about Simon Hooper stopping a dangerous counter attack against Spurs 🤦🏾♂️. You lie and say that we don’t get bad decisions against us because it doesn’t fit the “anti-city” narrative.
I think its pretty clear now VAR isnt being used in the way we have all been told. On the weekend Vicario was given a yellow after the ref was seen communicating in his earpiece. Also im convinced linesmen are getting fed info during live play.
The problems with VAR will still happen unless fans stand together and call them out! It doesn't matter who you support! We should out call out bad decisions no matter the team!!
also i thought they "introduced" the new automated offside var similar to the euros and champions league. now that I have actually seen it, it's not even automated. It's just a brand new design of the old offside var 😂
Yeah it’s a sad reality but more people have opened their eyes, kind of crazy for them to spot fix when they literally have video evidence, they really think the British public are this stupid.
Rice red card. Veltman had already played the ball by kicking it to Rice from behind, so … the ball was rolling and had already been played from point of tackle. Veltman not even looking at the ball when he kicked Rice, that’s violent conduct. Utter corruption.
Never mind the fact that Joao Pedro kicked the ball away in an 'ave it' fashion into the crowd IN THE SAME GAME... he didn't get a card! With a bit of luck, Howard Webb's had all his boosters 🤞
I agree with a lot of what you say. VAR is not fit for purpose. The Rice red card was soft but with VAR and referees the way they are, Rice shouldn’t have touched the ball and put himself in that position. He needs to be smarter because the referees don’t have a brain cell between them!!!
There was an experiment in which people were given easy questions and asked say the answer aloud, and if everyone else in the room (actors) said the wrong answer, the subject would usually also give the wrong answer. That sums up the VAR room to me.
Consistent in kicking the ball away unless it's Liverpool with Szoboszlai or Kevin de bruyne for man city, 85 minute kicked the ball out off of the field of play. Where are these refs from again? All northern regions? Surprise surprise.
What on earth is that spelling of Szoboszlai? Obviously shows your level of intelligence and how you are able to believe such ridiculous conspiracy theories.
Players get yellow cards for kicking the ball away regardless of whether it’s a dead ball or not. So the fact that ball was still moving IS irrelevant.
We need an independent regulator for the PGMOL and VARce. A regulator that clubs can go to investigate when a refs are incompetent, biased, corrupt whatever. They need to be held accountable and punished if found to of incompetence, biases etc.
No, you are saying Webb is wrong for the rice sending off, but right for the Bournemouth hand ball. See the problem here? He pumped the ball in from his bicep, it was a blatant hand ball. It's been freeze framed and analysed on Newcastle fan channels. It was technically a handball by where it hit him on his arm. The fact it cannons into the net is egregious as well not just a deflection, directly into the net
Yes, I want to see yellow cards for delaying the game by running with/kicking the ball away. However, context is important and that’s why I would not give Rice the second yellow.
Ronaldo was wayy worse, correct about refs, part of the anti VAR brigade were refs, they want to influence the game and be seen as the controllers, You could have a faultless AI system brought in by the summer, not a single ref would be needed
I’m confused, does mark want them to follow the rules or does he want common sense? Pick one, because they follow the rules you moan and say they need common sense, then they use common sense and don’t follow the rules, you call them inconsistent.
I keep saying that the pgmol are deciding the result of a game, that is match fixing, plain and simple. If you criticise the official, you get fined. The King demanded an independent body for football. They’re now arguing that the body must be independent of politics, it needs to be independent of the pgmol, the FA and the PL. City took the PL to Court, why haven’t they announced the result.
In a fair World Klopp would have 3 PLs (2019, 2020 and 2022) titles and Arteta should have 2 in a row (2023 and 2024) but we clearly dont live in that World
Anybody remember a couple of days before the start of the season that PGMOL told us that we should not complain but suck it up? How bizarre, eh? It's called corrruption and incompetence in equal measure. PGMOL remains completely corrupt.
Did you hear Clattenberg commentating in the Milan v Pool game openly say they give soft fouls to appease the crowd? "You have too balance it up because Milan will get upset", this was a double down from him saying something along the lines of "You have to give a couple of fouls to get the crowd back on side."
Hopefully the more yellow cards will lead to players stopping they're gamesmanship.....rolling around holding their face to get the game stopped or falling over from a hand on the back after stopping suddenly. That's what's more irritating IMO
Webb has no defense for the refereeing inconsistency. He says the Rice incident was clear but also says the Pedro incident "of course" should have also been a card. He has no answer as to why it is called sometimes and why it isn't at other times. Why is it so difficult to book Pedro in that instance? Were they just ignoring it?
The Declan Rice red card was a terrible call. It should have been a warning. On the other hand Rice shouldn’t have put himself in a situation where the ref has to make the decision to send him off or not.
mark is right here , VAR , should be pick differently not from the corrupt and inconsistent referees , they will always cover up for each other , as long as they will be on the pitch this weekend next weekend they will be in VAR room , this error will always continue
That VAR conversation and Webbs response proves that the PL is being corrupted by outside influence. This was something I was told as far back as 2009 by someone working at the FA before VAR was even around.
There are, but they're hand-waved away with hilarious made-up subjective laws that mysteriously aren't also applied to whether nudging a rolling ball ten inches truly delays anything.
Do you watch football, our problem is the inconsistent. We agree that players get yellow for kicking ball but same game one kicks it no yellow card. Watch the whole game and highlights
Even as a Newcastle fan , it was a clear Goal When automated offside systems get fully approved. Var needs scrapping, When i grew up in the 90s and early 00's football was so much better , all this ruining the game
Dont forget Mark, veltman kicks the ball into rice first. so technically he delays the start of play first anyways... still no card for veltman even after the red card kick after too. Complete BS.
Either that was the restart of play and it was in play so no restart was delayed, or it wasn't the restart and Veltman delays the restart himself. It's bad both ways haha.
What is this clown on about? The Bournemouth player had his arm over the defender, and it hit his shoulder and goes in. If he wasn't putting his arm over the defender, it gets cleared.
2 years ago we complain we dont have clear definitions of handball. We now do and thats clear that the Bournemouth player made his body bigger with his arm to hit the ball.
I think the BIGGEST and most common sense approach to the Rice second yellow that no so called expert has ever discussed. is that if Rice doesn't move that ball he's getting absolutely clattered and colliding with Pedro anyway. Which is exactly why Pedro did it. He knew if he kicked it he was close enough to Rice to generate some sort of reaction
Something else to look at is the fact that Veltman actually rolls the ball into the back of Declan as he is walking away which then prompts Declan to touch it to the side of him. Shoddy officiating as usual
Mark, have you seen the transcript of the Spurs vs Arsenal game and what Mike Dean has said about yellow cards in the second half?
"In a game like this you can't go too early for a second yellow... the threshold needs to be much higher.'
Not what he was saying when he was defending the decision after the match.
Pedro putting in work playing for 2 clubs
So,forget the rules
Var are corrupted
Commentary on Milan v Liverpool game last night. Former ref Clattenburg says the ref "needs to give some soft fouls to Milan because the home fans are getting annoyed"... what sort of nonesense is that?! Give some fouls because it will make the fans like you more? Absolute jokers, these referees.
Same ref who admitted in a title decider he purposely didn’t send off Spurs players vs Chelsea because he didn’t want the Spurs players to blame him for losing the league. He’s always been corrupt.
I heard that too, couldn’t believe what I was hearing 🤡
Clattenberg who was always a "Homer" at old trafford so much so that Fergie "did him a favour" and supported him in his case against Chelsea, when it was against the rules for clubs to be talking directly to refs.
As soon as he said it, I knew there'd be an uproar about it. I have no idea why he said that. The referee had a good game in my opinion and the commentators kept going on about how inexperienced he was.
That alone says alot about how shitty the English referees are
You cant even fight against the PGMOL because all your gonna get is a fine. So much for the best leauge in the world.
What if all the clubs came together and threatened to boycott a couple of game weeks? Probably the only hope if fans and supporters put pressure on club boards.
@@Levine93 arteta tried and pgmol told Arsenal if we complain / back arteta we face points dedication, inside the world of football everyone clearly knows -will just take supporters not turning up to stadia and the whole ring falls apart.
@@SharmV Supporters not showing up to games doesn’t do anything anymore they’ll just get replaced by “one game goers” tourists every week. You’ll still have full stadiums every week apart from the Ethiad. Needs multiple players and managers speaking up simultaneously, followed by club owners and board members, threaten boycotts of games until PGMOL is overhauled. Dare I say threaten a new breakaway English top flight league where officials from any league or country can work in. Therefore they can be no bias or a “look out for your mates” circle.
@@Levine93 That’s what it’s gonna take.
It's corrupt as hell. I'm betting a penny to a pound, that Man City will get a few million quid fine , and a few points deduction for next season. Guarantee they won't get relegated, might cost them one season without winning and that's it
Arsenal fan here. I dont even care that Mark supports united, he's a voice of common sense and passion for football. Respect m8.
65 yellow cards last week, refs have lost the plot
FA Bosses cashing in all the fine fees 🤑🤑
But u didn't complain last season when it was for arsenal
@@sarahpagett9191agreed arsenal fans do it when it suits them. Same goes for united fans, although I do rate Mark for some of his takes
@@King-yc6pnhe does it for.clicks ,he's a 2 faced little worm
Its almost as if PGMOL wants to sabotage VAR
Howard Webb says Declan Rice has no business being there while in reality Rice was moving away and some idiot kicked the ball 2 yards up toward Rice.....
The Declan Rice VAR conversation was ludicrous. The fact he said the ball rolling was irrelevant is the dumbest thing ever.
Whatever fits their agenda
@@scientiaestpotentia2007 Arsenal and Liverpool both been cheated out of a league title, it’s not even funny anymore for the rivals it’s just ruining football.
@@SharmVisn't it weird how it's whoever is competing closest with city who get screwed the most.
And isn't it weird half the top refs got paid obscene amounts to go ref in Qatar and Saudi...
No, this comment is the dumbest ever.
not Liverpool mate.arsenal,Manu,other clubs but city and Liverpool are the team the FA look out for
Absolutely right. I never understood why existing referees all took a turn on VAR. Should absolutely be an independent group of people.
Unlucky that Declan rice name isn't Rodri, otherwise Brighton player would get a yellow card instead
OR A STRAIGHT RED
He should've LOL, Rice gets kicked for no reason and then sent off. It's the Wolves throat and finger incident all over again.
@@incognito4778wolves throat n finger?
Unlucky Declan Rice didn't play for man city
Or Kovacic who’s inherited Fernandinho’s cloak of invisibility
VAR nepotism is wrong ,they should be an independent body.I agree with Goldbridge.
Seen it when Everton got a penalty overturned when the screen wasn’t even working so how did he check 🤦🏻♂️
There was a back up screen he was looking at, swear this got cleared up the same day it happened🤷🏼♂️
@@jordanb966 no there wasn’t tho we literally seen that there was nothing there 😂😂
@@Dannyboyefc- you saw the main screen. Can you point is to a picture of what was in the black case on the floor in front of the VAR screen, you know the on the ground where the ref was looking?? Not seen a picture of what was in that case, maybe the back up screen that PGMOL said it was?
PL is such a joke 😂😂
Yes there was get your facts straight@@Dannyboyefc
The 'left me no choice' is such a dumb argument as well.. I mean there would've been no outrage from anyone if the referee had just opted to warn both players. No Brighton fans after would've been up in arms about him not getting a red cause it was a complete non-event. Just the weekly previously McGinn and White smashed the ball at each other in the heat of the moment and ref just calmed them down and told them to get on with the game.
PGMOL , the best signing City ever made 😂😂😂
The PGMOL are not fit for purpose.
The fact the ball was rolling. If they keep on going on about the letter of the law then they should stick to all elements of the action not just the action at the end that they seem to have highlighted. Also if VAR are in the ref's ear about Rice's incident then why weren't they there for the Joao Pedro incident?
MARK GOLDBRIDGE THE REALEST
A man of the people
Literally, I almost always agree with his position. Sometimes his Man U fandom takes over but thats to be expected.
@@Whagz_BuHu couldn’t have said it any better😆I agree
All the refs are from Greater Manchester but dont worry they all support bury and Oldham.
As Bournemouth Supporters we are used to VAR screwing our side, not surprised anymore.
Yep unfortunately 😢😢 especially when it comes to “hand ball” it’s such a shame 🍒🍒
Newcastle fan (lived in Bournemouth for 25 years too) and I agree with you. You deserved to and should have won that game a few weeks ago. Is there a credible official overseeing the game anymore in the PL? We have to keep fighting for common sense.
Rubbish, clearly came off his arm and was correctly ruled out
@@antonyallen8025 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@antonyallen8025 the fact that not a single Newcastle player remotely protests against the goal proves you’re wrong 🤣 not even the keeper who would have had the best view out of anyone!
It's just too obvious now, it's kind of "in your face" corruption.
When a City player kicks the ball away next game and doesn't receive a yellow, they'll just say "we listened to the fans and reviewed our decision, we'll only be handing these yellows out in extreme cases."
Yellows for "kicking the ball away" were given to two players this season, one was Rice the other was Saliba.
Look the PGMOL aren't stupid. Last season they noticed that not a single Arsenal player missed a game because of accomulation of 5 yellows.
This season Refs are handing them yellows left, right and center.
I think Timber is already on 3 yellows, which is insane.
AND NEWCASTLE ....
😂😂😂😂😂 you guys really think that the pl likes city?
@@alecmorariu6291 the PGMOL.
Maguire also received a yellow last weekend against Southampton
The refs earn a lot of money off of City's owners.. they get flown out and paid 20k a match.. So it's a little dodgy 🤷 @@alecmorariu6291
Who thought putting that Diddy Michael Owen on there to put these questions to Howard Webb... Just feels all staged and fake
I CAN’T SPEAK…but I’ll have to! 😂
The PGMOL in the pockets of the owners of City. Even the match fixtures are rigged. We got thursday night champions league football away, and then going away to city on Sunday. The whole game is rigged. City MUST win at all costs.
Arsenal can just throw the game against Atalanta and play the u-18s. They will still easily make the knockout rounds.
Just remember Lance Armstrong FC are the ONLY club to never have a dodgy VAR call go against them EVER.
Not true, City have been touched by VAR before. VAR has no buddies lol.
@@CristanioPeweyyyVERY rarely though, they’re constantly on the side that benefit from the decisions
@@kierangibson9103 y’all are so delusional lmfao. None of the charges are related to match fixing. Just be cause you hate us doesn’t mean you need to make up false narratives
@@kierangibson9103 Mate, you can't go around saying that one team never gets dodgy calls, when you know that isn't true.
@@alistairsmith5389 Let’s not talk about Simon Hooper stopping a dangerous counter attack against Spurs 🤦🏾♂️. You lie and say that we don’t get bad decisions against us because it doesn’t fit the “anti-city” narrative.
I think its pretty clear now VAR isnt being used in the way we have all been told. On the weekend Vicario was given a yellow after the ref was seen communicating in his earpiece. Also im convinced linesmen are getting fed info during live play.
You're spot on Mark - VAR get involved too much, it's the only problem with the whole system
The problems with VAR will still happen unless fans stand together and call them out! It doesn't matter who you support! We should out call out bad decisions no matter the team!!
also i thought they "introduced" the new automated offside var similar to the euros and champions league. now that I have actually seen it, it's not even automated. It's just a brand new design of the old offside var 😂
It's not in yet. They are working on the technology
@@charavan didn't they say that it would be implemented right after the international break?
@@itsintheworksdotdotdotpretty sure it was the second international break, could be wrong tho
It was the September one but lets be honest they probably moved it@lfcyeezus
It was to be added after AN international break, and I don't believe it was ever specified which.
The thing for me is that if you look rhe ball hits rice on the heel and rice appears to just be clearing the ball from out of his feet.
Mention Newcastles "hand ball" but forgets we were without Schar because of a red card that shouldn't have been against Southampton. Pure jealousy
115 f c have killed football ⚽️
How did you bring man city into this😂😂😂
Yeah it’s a sad reality but more people have opened their eyes, kind of crazy for them to spot fix when they literally have video evidence, they really think the British public are this stupid.
It’s 130 charges man
@mikeyfitzsimmons9129 . It said 115 on sky news. Naffin will happen anyway. The EPL just want money
@@mikeyfitzsimmons9129charges. United were found guilty. United have lost over 300m in the last 3 years where is psr?
THEY SAY THERE IS NO CORRUPTION IN THE GAME ....I BEG TO DIFFER ...
I totally agree with Mark . That Bournemouth disallowed goal was a disgrace nearly as bad as that Liverpool decision at spurs
It's a crisis.
Rice red card.
Veltman had already played the ball by kicking it to Rice from behind, so … the ball was rolling and had already been played from point of tackle.
Veltman not even looking at the ball when he kicked Rice, that’s violent conduct.
Utter corruption.
All the strangest decisions will come early in the season so people aren't saying that VAR and refs are deciding the league at the end of the season
It feels like PGMOL wants the refs to be the stars of each match
Yes they holiday together in Saudi Arabia
Mark: Best football league in the world
English FA: Yes, best league to rig, match fix and make tons of $$$ 😂😂😂
WHY ARE WE NOT ALL CHANTING PGMOL CORRUPTION AT GAMES!!! They’d have to change there ways when it’s being televised
"Look after yourself" says it all really
“In the last 5 years, I have never seen such decisions given against Arsenal and Liverpool…this just does not happen in Man City games”
You are taking your bias to a new level
@@GermanChickenwingOh look, it's you, rimming City as per usual.
@@LoCoAde87 Look, apart from Liverpool disallowed goal, no1 has a worst call like the City against Spurs ..
@@GermanChickenwing and you are taking your denial to a whole nother level
@@johnrockyryan ok
15 yellow cards in the Chelsea match from Antony Taylor... That match wasnt even bad tempered; competitive but not tetchy. Unbeliveable.
Cucurela hilariously awesome
So true, why does noone else talk about this?! Mark the real hero here
Never mind the fact that Joao Pedro kicked the ball away in an 'ave it' fashion into the crowd IN THE SAME GAME... he didn't get a card!
With a bit of luck, Howard Webb's had all his boosters 🤞
Ball was off the pitch that's why so it didn't affect anything because of the multi ball system
@@TPCDAZ Rice didn't effect the game either, it was a rolling ball.
it's the dissent that gets the yellow card..
I agree with a lot of what you say. VAR is not fit for purpose. The Rice red card was soft but with VAR and referees the way they are, Rice shouldn’t have touched the ball and put himself in that position. He needs to be smarter because the referees don’t have a brain cell between them!!!
I'm hearing Rashfraud is back and better than ever after his goals against 2 of the big boys in all of Europe 😂
Wtf had that got to do with VAR you clown?
A mark video w "DISGRACE!" or "SHAMBLES!" is becoming football heritage at this point
You are spot on!
It’s a yellow card get over it
WE WILL SEE 8 VS 8 THIS SEASON ......
More yellow cards is great for us gamblers
lol
Bet you its not 😂
There was an experiment in which people were given easy questions and asked say the answer aloud, and if everyone else in the room (actors) said the wrong answer, the subject would usually also give the wrong answer. That sums up the VAR room to me.
The only consistent thing about officiating is incompetence, week in week out.
Consistent in kicking the ball away unless it's Liverpool with Szoboszlai or Kevin de bruyne for man city, 85 minute kicked the ball out off of the field of play. Where are these refs from again? All northern regions? Surprise surprise.
Oh shutup 😂
Zloboslia 😂 Is it that hard to spell Szoboszlai
What on earth is that spelling of Szoboszlai? Obviously shows your level of intelligence and how you are able to believe such ridiculous conspiracy theories.
It's called predictive text, and the ref part was sarcasm, but English obviously too hard a language for you to comprehend
@@All-Outta-Bubblegumtbf it ain't easy to spell 😭🙏
I feel like the refs are asked to create controversy in certain game
Whether it's rolling or not is irrelevant, otherwise players could just boot a rolling ball for miles and get away with it.
They’re all absolute narcissists who think people are there to watch them, not the players. Week in week out they try to make it about THEM.
Players get yellow cards for kicking the ball away regardless of whether it’s a dead ball or not. So the fact that ball was still moving IS irrelevant.
We need an independent regulator for the PGMOL and VARce. A regulator that clubs can go to investigate when a refs are incompetent, biased, corrupt whatever. They need to be held accountable and punished if found to of incompetence, biases etc.
No, you are saying Webb is wrong for the rice sending off, but right for the Bournemouth hand ball. See the problem here? He pumped the ball in from his bicep, it was a blatant hand ball. It's been freeze framed and analysed on Newcastle fan channels. It was technically a handball by where it hit him on his arm. The fact it cannons into the net is egregious as well not just a deflection, directly into the net
Yes, I want to see yellow cards for delaying the game by running with/kicking the ball away. However, context is important and that’s why I would not give Rice the second yellow.
Ronaldo was wayy worse, correct about refs, part of the anti VAR brigade were refs, they want to influence the game and be seen as the controllers, You could have a faultless AI system brought in by the summer, not a single ref would be needed
It's like flagging offside and a player picked the ball and a yellow card was shown to the player
How can they ever improve if they are never wrong? Shambles.
I’m confused, does mark want them to follow the rules or does he want common sense? Pick one, because they follow the rules you moan and say they need common sense, then they use common sense and don’t follow the rules, you call them inconsistent.
I’ve never seen him call the refs inconsistent when a horror call goes towards United
Mark when it comes to the refs you should learn about Freemasonry
"If I speak I'm in big trouble"
I keep saying that the pgmol are deciding the result of a game, that is match fixing, plain and simple. If you criticise the official, you get fined. The King demanded an independent body for football. They’re now arguing that the body must be independent of politics, it needs to be independent of the pgmol, the FA and the PL. City took the PL to Court, why haven’t they announced the result.
Very well said Mark
Our officials are just embarrassing. They are genuinely shocking.
VAR of each league should employ referees from other leagues. Change my mind.
I agree.
VAR should be independent of the Ref and linesman otherwise it is NOT accessing refs decisions independently.
It’s a conflict of interest.
Excellent summing up on the Rice debacle Mark
The truth is, I hate VAR. The tech is not helping football at all. Why we have kept it on, I don't understand.
In a fair World Klopp would have 3 PLs (2019, 2020 and 2022) titles and Arteta should have 2 in a row (2023 and 2024) but we clearly dont live in that World
Anybody remember a couple of days before the start of the season that PGMOL told us that we should not complain but suck it up?
How bizarre, eh?
It's called corrruption and incompetence in equal measure.
PGMOL remains completely corrupt.
Did you hear Clattenberg commentating in the Milan v Pool game openly say they give soft fouls to appease the crowd? "You have too balance it up because Milan will get upset", this was a double down from him saying something along the lines of "You have to give a couple of fouls to get the crowd back on side."
I'm telling ya, Ten Hag was imagining Barnsley as Liverpool in his head so the win would feel so much sweeter 😂
Reaching bruv
Ya he even made dangerous subs to finish up carabao giants barnsley
@@barugambireismailismail1688 most dangerous team of the campaign, even city shudders in fear at the mention of barnsley
Hopefully the more yellow cards will lead to players stopping they're gamesmanship.....rolling around holding their face to get the game stopped or falling over from a hand on the back after stopping suddenly. That's what's more irritating IMO
EPL Teams must start sueing VAR and Referees in such circumstances. They are committing crimes and get away with it easily.
Webb has no defense for the refereeing inconsistency. He says the Rice incident was clear but also says the Pedro incident "of course" should have also been a card. He has no answer as to why it is called sometimes and why it isn't at other times. Why is it so difficult to book Pedro in that instance? Were they just ignoring it?
Yay! More crisis!
The Declan Rice red card was a terrible call. It should have been a warning.
On the other hand Rice shouldn’t have put himself in a situation where the ref has to make the decision to send him off or not.
mark is right here , VAR , should be pick differently not from the corrupt and inconsistent referees , they will always cover up for each other , as long as they will be on the pitch this weekend next weekend they will be in VAR room , this error will always continue
The refs job is to manage the game and keep eleven players on the pitch!
That VAR conversation and Webbs response proves that the PL is being corrupted by outside influence. This was something I was told as far back as 2009 by someone working at the FA before VAR was even around.
I HAD SOMEONE WORKING AT THE FA YEARS BEFORE TOO ....FA CUP DRAWS ETC WERE FIDDLED
It was only Wolves that wanted to scrap VAR. 19 other clubs wanted to keep it.
I can accept the second yellow. But how on earth are you allowed to kick someone's shin without getting a card. Pure violence.
As an Arsenal supporter, thanks VAR for resting Rice before the Man City game
Whether or not Declan should have been sent off, why is there no questions around violent conduct for the brighton player? seems so weird to me...
There are, but they're hand-waved away with hilarious made-up subjective laws that mysteriously aren't also applied to whether nudging a rolling ball ten inches truly delays anything.
The 'it doesn't matter the ball was moving' argument is like giving a penalty and saying it doesn't matter the player was offside.
If players are blatantly kicking the ball away they deserve to get punished aka get a yellow card! It’s literally that simple!
The. Ball. Was. Rolling. It. Was. Not. Interference.
Then why wasn't Pedro given a yellow card for booting the ball down the pitch in the same game?
Do you watch football, our problem is the inconsistent. We agree that players get yellow for kicking ball but same game one kicks it no yellow card. Watch the whole game and highlights
Multiple players did it last week, no yellows🤷♂️
@@jj45455 name the players?
Even as a Newcastle fan , it was a clear Goal
When automated offside systems get fully approved. Var needs scrapping,
When i grew up in the 90s and early 00's football was so much better , all this ruining the game
Dont forget Mark, veltman kicks the ball into rice first. so technically he delays the start of play first anyways... still no card for veltman even after the red card kick after too. Complete BS.
Either that was the restart of play and it was in play so no restart was delayed, or it wasn't the restart and Veltman delays the restart himself. It's bad both ways haha.
And who does it always benefit??? Thats right 115
What is this clown on about? The Bournemouth player had his arm over the defender, and it hit his shoulder and goes in. If he wasn't putting his arm over the defender, it gets cleared.
Those rival fans who said the Rice sent off was correct is ruining football. The clearest corruption ever.
Webb was Manchester United’s biggest mate ever when he was a ref.
2 years ago we complain we dont have clear definitions of handball. We now do and thats clear that the Bournemouth player made his body bigger with his arm to hit the ball.
If I ever met Howard Webb on the street, I am definitely going to jail. Same with any of the other referees who've shanked us.