*Note* - I JUST spotted the typo in the title (AS5404T) ! I could redo this video and correct it, but it would add an extra day or two to publish in the schedule and I sure a lot of you didn't spot it! Enjoy the vid everyone.
When Asustor published its "best practices" to protect your NAS against ransom a couple of years ago, I went through the time consuming "rebuild" of my Nimbustor-4 NAS and addressed all the shortcomings of my initial setup. When Deadbolt hit, I was not affected and all was well with my data. I was so glad I asked myself the question "What if?" and followed through. Hats off to NASCompares for helping me to get my digital life together.
It’s not as smooth as one would hope. Getting all the servarr tools to work locally while fully secure didn’t work for me. I’ve had to do everything on my desktop and then move items over to the NAS after everything is handled. Def not the smooth experience I envisioned. Also worth mentioning, the vetted apps available are rarely updated with latest offerings so it’s no wonder the experience is lackluster.
I want to get a flash NAS, but it's hard to pass up the $ per GB. It's twice the price for nvme drives. I think I'm gonna go with the 4 bay, raid5, and nvme cache.
Big HDDs are noisy and hot, and I don't need them running all the time. Can you run the NAS / containers off the SSDs, and use the HDDs for backups? If yes, can you set the HDDs to spin down when not in use?
I appreciate this is just a year after the nick of time, but yes, you can. That's what I do with mine. Very pleased with it, too. You might have to put the SSDs in first and set it up, then add the HDDs and create a pool on them. My 4TB Ironwolfs don't get hotter than 38 degrees C under load. The SSDs peak about 44 degrees C.
I have two Proxmox nodes running a ton of LXC's with Docker and Portainer, as a NAS solution, one Qnap, one Synology, and Cockpit with File Sharing. Maybe it's me, but Portainer is so much more convenient than the QNAP and Synology solutions, so I use Portainer agent on both. The only thing I find better on QNAP is container networking. Asustor uses Portainer out of the box, it's a rational decision. Why invent a wheel by unnecessary throwing financial resources making a product more expensive. Qnap's video station is such an outdated unreliable crap, good luck with that. My Dahua cameras are able to use all protocols available today, so it writes all events using NFS provided by File Sharing in Cockpit to an SSD and to an SD card inside, also it sends a notification in case of event "human/vehicle" to DMSS( my choice is VPN but you can use peer-to-peer) and to my email. Home and small businesses don't really need 24/7 footage anyway.
I got my AS5404T this week. Everything looks good so far. Only issue I have is the fan spins really slow at like sub 400 rpm on auto, and remains at that speed even when I manually change the fan speed to high. Strange.
Over the years I have had better durability with SSDs than with HDDs, even better than enterprise HDDs. It got to the point where I used to keep spare HDDs around because I knew I would end up needing them. That has not been the case for me with SSDs. I have one last HDD in operation as an external drive for backing up my NAS. When that fails, and it will, it will be replaced by a SSD.
I would wished they used the latest Celeron series like Intel Celeron 7305, low powered and the latest Intel GPU for transcoding, has Thunderbolt 4, which would let you use a external 10GBE card via PCIE passthrough or even eGPU. Moreover it has Intel Deep Learning Boost which would be useful for object detection for CCTV, or even Home assistant.
Great video as always! Is there any information about the max capacity per HDD bay? Idk if I can just plug in a 18 or 20 TB HDD or if I'd need smaller ones due to limitations
I have two 18TB HDDs in my AS5202T so you should be able use anything you want. There's no reason these days for any restriction on the drive size that can be used.
Asus- use something else besides n5105. Asus sells a mini pc with core i3-1220P for $330, usually on sale for under $300. It can't be that much more to add some drive bays in a bigger chassis to make it a nas. That i3 is 10 cores and 20 pcie lanes, which would eliminate most complaints.
I was actually hoping you'd make a video comparing the LockerStor 2 Gen 2 with the FlashStor 6 for folks who aren't fully populating the M.2 slots of the FlashStor, but given the similarity between the LockerStor and Nimbustor lines, you addressed some of what I was curious about in this video, so thanks for that! Would you recommend using M.2 drives with DRAM over DRAMless, or do you believe performance is still adequate either way you go?
When does the AS5404T release? I can’t seem to see it for sale anywhere currently, even Amazon don’t have it up for sale currently (they just have a product listing)
I used your link , but had to click the page and go find the nas on there, but I bought it effectively with that link, I'm hoping that the two bay works correctly with truenas, as thats what I think im going to use, do you think its more secure as its open source instead of closed and more proprietary? and will it be easy to Rsync to my synology off site? or will it just be better to just get another Truenas device for offsite, im not tied to anything other than back up working well cheers mate
I haven't seen any NAS with a much higher end cpu, 8 lanes does suck but to get them to run at full speed you'd have to do a DIY home brew. The fact that you can upgrade the ram is great, using the SSD's as cache is the only thing I can see that'd be useful. With current prices on SSD's and mechanical there's no way I'll get 10TB for $200 in any SSD. I never got hit with the ransom ware attack but I allow local access to the NAS it's not accessable to users via the internet including myself
hi Thank you for the videos. I am looking for a NAS for a Plex server. Currently, I have a Synology ds116. I have 16tb $K movies .and want o share it with my friends who is use it to play it in their Home theater. I do have a home theater where i want to play my movies too. Would you be able to suggest some options? I am keen to buy Asustor AS5402 T,. But not sure. do my friends have 4k Dolby atmos in their home, and also full quality in my house?
I'm willing to pay a few bucks extra if I'm not forced to only use NvME drives. That would simply be tooooo expensive. That the Nimbustor uses both HDD/SSD AND M-2, makes it fit more budgets and offers much more disk space options.
But does any company actually offer 10Gbps speeds to non-enterprise consumers? Even 5 gbps? I suppose it depends on the country you're in, but I couldn't find anything above 1Gbps in Spain, which makes the 2.5Gbps Ethernet ports kind of irrelevant. Please, correct me if I'm wrong.
>1 Gbps is more useful for LAN, not WAN. Your NAS is your centralized storage, so the LAN speed matters when transferring files to the NAS from other devices, or from the NAS to other devices, on your network. With 2.5 Gbps you can transfer a 50 GB Blu-Ray rip in about 3 minutes, whereas with 1 Gbps it will take about 7 or 8. Scale that up over time and you just save a ton of time. Granted, for this to work, the NAS, switch, and client ALL have to be using 2.5 Gbps, or you'll be bottlenecked by the lowest connection.
Just bought a Nimbustor4, but is not AS5404T... I found no nvme slots... Can I fix this? I transfered data all day long today and at the end of the day i disconnected and open the cage to see where i can put any ssds to make transfer easier... Is there any remedy - mine is AS5304T?
I couldn't decide between the Nimbustor gen 1 or gen 2. Your video helped me decide and I went with the gen 1 with 2x 4TB IronWolf drives. I think Asus in wanting to hedge their bets on both the mechanical HDD and NVMe markets have ended up spreading this unit too thin. As you mentioned they have self-throttled the NVMes to reduce heat and CPU load. It didn't make much sense to me to buy a model that sits so much on the fence. IMO it's better to commit to HDD or flash storage and move on.
Does anyone know how much power the Nimbustor 4 pulls with only SSDs installed? Or maybe what it pulls without any drives? Trying to decide between the Nimbustor 4 or Flashstor 6.
hi, You looks like Guru of NASs - all "reviewers" knows 10gb NIC, many NVMe slots etc ect BUT You only now declare shortage of PCIe 3.0 !x1! slots - ...please help me to choice between the FS6706T, AS5402T and AS6702T - the prodsheets is nothing to me, and I have 1pcs enterprice 16TB HDD so it looks like to forget FS6706T but can You describe differences between the AS5402T and AS6702T? theoreticly they are differ only by facelift - the same CPU, the same NVMe ports, the same HDD ports etc etc - thanks in advance and waiting You solution, regards Mirek
Only the price and the panel plus the lockerstor has two USB ports while the other one has three USB posts , that's all , I eve happened to call to a commercial of Asustor and they confirmed to me that they are the same in hardware features except what I did mention ( USB ports and LCD panel )
IMO, Any device with NVMe drives really needs 10Gbps otherwise it is just a huge bottleneck vs a small one... This is however exciting and a sign of the future for sure.
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*Note* - I JUST spotted the typo in the title (AS5404T) ! I could redo this video and correct it, but it would add an extra day or two to publish in the schedule and I sure a lot of you didn't spot it! Enjoy the vid everyone.
i am so confused between AS5404T and AS6704T , seems like only LCD is the difference , i wonder if it is possible to attach LCD to AS5404T ,
When Asustor published its "best practices" to protect your NAS against ransom a couple of years ago, I went through the time consuming "rebuild" of my Nimbustor-4 NAS and addressed all the shortcomings of my initial setup. When Deadbolt hit, I was not affected and all was well with my data. I was so glad I asked myself the question "What if?" and followed through. Hats off to NASCompares for helping me to get my digital life together.
Just ordered one. Got a bit impatient waiting for the MASSIVE review. Hoping for the best.
Can you share your opinion on it?
Please tell us.... I'm growing impatient haha
It’s not as smooth as one would hope. Getting all the servarr tools to work locally while fully secure didn’t work for me. I’ve had to do everything on my desktop and then move items over to the NAS after everything is handled. Def not the smooth experience I envisioned. Also worth mentioning, the vetted apps available are rarely updated with latest offerings so it’s no wonder the experience is lackluster.
Hey! Is the long review of these still planned? Thanks for all the info you folks put out there!
I want to get a flash NAS, but it's hard to pass up the $ per GB. It's twice the price for nvme drives. I think I'm gonna go with the 4 bay, raid5, and nvme cache.
Big HDDs are noisy and hot, and I don't need them running all the time. Can you run the NAS / containers off the SSDs, and use the HDDs for backups? If yes, can you set the HDDs to spin down when not in use?
I appreciate this is just a year after the nick of time, but yes, you can. That's what I do with mine. Very pleased with it, too. You might have to put the SSDs in first and set it up, then add the HDDs and create a pool on them. My 4TB Ironwolfs don't get hotter than 38 degrees C under load. The SSDs peak about 44 degrees C.
@@waynebagger643 Thanks! The v3 is out now, although a very different beast!
Can you get a hard drive expansion box for the flashstor products and attach it using the USB 3.2 10gbs ports?
I have two Proxmox nodes running a ton of LXC's with Docker and Portainer, as a NAS solution, one Qnap, one Synology, and Cockpit with File Sharing.
Maybe it's me, but Portainer is so much more convenient than the QNAP and Synology solutions, so I use Portainer agent on both.
The only thing I find better on QNAP is container networking.
Asustor uses Portainer out of the box, it's a rational decision. Why invent a wheel by unnecessary throwing financial resources making a product more expensive.
Qnap's video station is such an outdated unreliable crap, good luck with that.
My Dahua cameras are able to use all protocols available today, so it writes all events using NFS provided by File Sharing in Cockpit to an SSD and to an SD card inside, also it sends a notification in case of event "human/vehicle" to DMSS( my choice is VPN but you can use peer-to-peer) and to my email.
Home and small businesses don't really need 24/7 footage anyway.
I got my AS5404T this week. Everything looks good so far. Only issue I have is the fan spins really slow at like sub 400 rpm on auto, and remains at that speed even when I manually change the fan speed to high. Strange.
Over the years I have had better durability with SSDs than with HDDs, even better than enterprise HDDs. It got to the point where I used to keep spare HDDs around because I knew I would end up needing them. That has not been the case for me with SSDs. I have one last HDD in operation as an external drive for backing up my NAS. When that fails, and it will, it will be replaced by a SSD.
I would wished they used the latest Celeron series like Intel Celeron 7305, low powered and the latest Intel GPU for transcoding, has Thunderbolt 4, which would let you use a external 10GBE card via PCIE passthrough or even eGPU. Moreover it has Intel Deep Learning Boost which would be useful for object detection for CCTV, or even Home assistant.
Great video as always!
Is there any information about the max capacity per HDD bay?
Idk if I can just plug in a 18 or 20 TB HDD or if I'd need smaller ones due to limitations
I have two 18TB HDDs in my AS5202T so you should be able use anything you want. There's no reason these days for any restriction on the drive size that can be used.
22TB per bay
The questions is where do they make the cut? Less investement in cyber security? Modern salvery? Bad salaries?
Asus- use something else besides n5105. Asus sells a mini pc with core i3-1220P for $330, usually on sale for under $300. It can't be that much more to add some drive bays in a bigger chassis to make it a nas. That i3 is 10 cores and 20 pcie lanes, which would eliminate most complaints.
I was actually hoping you'd make a video comparing the LockerStor 2 Gen 2 with the FlashStor 6 for folks who aren't fully populating the M.2 slots of the FlashStor, but given the similarity between the LockerStor and Nimbustor lines, you addressed some of what I was curious about in this video, so thanks for that! Would you recommend using M.2 drives with DRAM over DRAMless, or do you believe performance is still adequate either way you go?
When does the AS5404T release? I can’t seem to see it for sale anywhere currently, even Amazon don’t have it up for sale currently (they just have a product listing)
as6704t or as5402t
Difficult decision
I used your link , but had to click the page and go find the nas on there, but I bought it effectively with that link,
I'm hoping that the two bay works correctly with truenas, as thats what I think im going to use,
do you think its more secure as its open source instead of closed and more proprietary?
and will it be easy to Rsync to my synology off site?
or will it just be better to just get another Truenas device for offsite, im not tied to anything other than back up working well
cheers mate
I haven't seen any NAS with a much higher end cpu, 8 lanes does suck but to get them to run at full speed you'd have to do a DIY home brew. The fact that you can upgrade the ram is great, using the SSD's as cache is the only thing I can see that'd be useful. With current prices on SSD's and mechanical there's no way I'll get 10TB for $200 in any SSD. I never got hit with the ransom ware attack but I allow local access to the NAS it's not accessable to users via the internet including myself
Hi Why Should you not Buy a Buffalo NAS? - Not that Qnap and others are not good, but as an overlooked brand. Just a thought.
hi Thank you for the videos. I am looking for a NAS for a Plex server. Currently, I have a Synology ds116. I have 16tb $K movies .and want o share it with my friends who is use it to play it in their Home theater. I do have a home theater where i want to play my movies too. Would you be able to suggest some options? I am keen to buy Asustor AS5402 T,. But not sure. do my friends have 4k Dolby atmos in their home, and also full quality in my house?
I'm willing to pay a few bucks extra if I'm not forced to only use NvME drives. That would simply be tooooo expensive. That the Nimbustor uses both HDD/SSD AND M-2, makes it fit more budgets and offers much more disk space options.
Thanks for the great video. LOL 'I hate seagulls' 🤣
I stepped back because of no 10g. Yhen stepped on to the flashtor 12 😂 no moving parts in the drives is a big plus for me.
Too good to be true LOL
I think they are about to introduce Lockerstor gen 3 with N95 CPU
"Short Review" ... glances over at the video length... confirms 23 minutes.... ahh ok, I'm in the right place!
#noshortvideoseva
But does any company actually offer 10Gbps speeds to non-enterprise consumers? Even 5 gbps? I suppose it depends on the country you're in, but I couldn't find anything above 1Gbps in Spain, which makes the 2.5Gbps Ethernet ports kind of irrelevant. Please, correct me if I'm wrong.
2.5/5/10 are mostly for LAN, not WAN. So if your router/switch can do 2.5 then you can have 2.5 within your home network.
>1 Gbps is more useful for LAN, not WAN.
Your NAS is your centralized storage, so the LAN speed matters when transferring files to the NAS from other devices, or from the NAS to other devices, on your network. With 2.5 Gbps you can transfer a 50 GB Blu-Ray rip in about 3 minutes, whereas with 1 Gbps it will take about 7 or 8. Scale that up over time and you just save a ton of time.
Granted, for this to work, the NAS, switch, and client ALL have to be using 2.5 Gbps, or you'll be bottlenecked by the lowest connection.
A short review is 23 minutes long?
Just bought a Nimbustor4, but is not AS5404T... I found no nvme slots... Can I fix this? I transfered data all day long today and at the end of the day i disconnected and open the cage to see where i can put any ssds to make transfer easier... Is there any remedy - mine is AS5304T?
anyway are these nvmes really worth the trouble? I have a 1Gbps ethernet home lan I think
Unfortunately you did but gen 1 , this one in the video is gen 2 which comes with 4 nvme slots and the CPU that is higher
I couldn't decide between the Nimbustor gen 1 or gen 2. Your video helped me decide and I went with the gen 1 with 2x 4TB IronWolf drives.
I think Asus in wanting to hedge their bets on both the mechanical HDD and NVMe markets have ended up spreading this unit too thin. As you mentioned they have self-throttled the NVMes to reduce heat and CPU load. It didn't make much sense to me to buy a model that sits so much on the fence. IMO it's better to commit to HDD or flash storage and move on.
Does anyone know how much power the Nimbustor 4 pulls with only SSDs installed? Or maybe what it pulls without any drives? Trying to decide between the Nimbustor 4 or Flashstor 6.
The flashtor 6 only supports NVMe. No ssd.
Nimbustor - 38.3W (Operation)
17.7W (Disk Hibernation)
0.81W (Sleep Mode)
Flashtor 6 - 18.2 W (Operation);
0.83 W (Sleep Mode)
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hi, You looks like Guru of NASs - all "reviewers" knows 10gb NIC, many NVMe slots etc ect BUT You only now declare shortage of PCIe 3.0 !x1! slots - ...please help me to choice between the FS6706T, AS5402T and AS6702T - the prodsheets is nothing to me, and I have 1pcs enterprice 16TB HDD so it looks like to forget FS6706T but can You describe differences between the AS5402T and AS6702T? theoreticly they are differ only by facelift - the same CPU, the same NVMe ports, the same HDD ports etc etc - thanks in advance and waiting You solution, regards Mirek
Only the price and the panel plus the lockerstor has two USB ports while the other one has three USB posts , that's all , I eve happened to call to a commercial of Asustor and they confirmed to me that they are the same in hardware features except what I did mention ( USB ports and LCD panel )
Considering that these are designed for gaming and streaming, ADM is good enough.
I hate seagulls too...
cool
OMG No "I hate seagulls" in this one!
Spoke too soon!
IMO, Any device with NVMe drives really needs 10Gbps otherwise it is just a huge bottleneck vs a small one... This is however exciting and a sign of the future for sure.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion 🤣
@@hellolaupeople are doing the most 😂 who even sells 10gbps internet to retail consumer
Man the seagulls hate you.
The feeling is FANTASTICALLY mutual.
@@nascompares 🤣