German far-right members who allegedly wanted to seize power face trial | DW News
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- Опубликовано: 15 май 2024
- In Germany, nine people suspected of being part of a violent far-right group which allegedly plotted to overthrow the government, are going on trial. Prosecutors say the ringleader was a businessman and German aristocrat called Heinrich Prince Reuss. The alleged conspirators face charges of terrorism and high treason. It's claimed their goal was to install Reuss as a modern-day emperor.
Chapters:
0:00 The events leading to the trial
2:01 Kai Arzheimer, JGU Political science professor
6:15 Giulia Saudelli, DW Correspondent
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#germany #reichsbürger #conspiracy
Let's not panic. It's not like Germany has any history of this sort of thing.
Let's not panic. It's not like the one certain red hat-wearing party in the U.S. didn't try this and might try again.
@@samsmom1491😂😂😂😂 you lot are something else.
I live in America and I’m telling you “Hold our beer” because 45 has been trying to get away with this for a while.
@@mikespalaceofdowntime4773Brain rot is a common symptom amongst the American left it seems. The hypocrisy in your statement is unbelievable and comical.
Lie's!
"How many coconspirators were involved?"
"Nine."
"Answer the question!"
Nine now were backed by 1000s. All of them will turn up in Court because they can't help their hateful feelings once they go fascist.
This joke might be too complex for average normies out there, so let me explain... 6 was afraid of 7, why? Because 6 and Nein were western spies, 7 found out so 7 ate Nein, but not before Nein confessed that one of it's factors were also a spy.
Yes, i failed maths
@@GRJproductionzno wonder, because there’s only one, “Math.”
@@jjww30 So the name of the subject is "Mathematic" is it? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's hilarious that they ever seriously believed this would work.
"In our defense, It worked last time with that Austrian painter..." 🤦🤦🤦
At first he did...was jailed..got out..made friends in high places then gain a following..made the majority vote...did some behind the scenes maneuvering, gradually ..he politicked his way in..
A version of it is working in the US right now, of course it helps to have fellow politicians and courts cooperating with you to achieve your end goal. Heck in the US the Supreme Court is even helping out! I give Germany a lot of credit for having a zero tolerance policy for this sort of subversion, you could teach the USA a thing or two
You say hilarious, but everyone in the US understands that this can happen here.
@@abraxasjinx5207 What can happen? A German prince will attempt to re-establish the German Empire with a handful of gunmen? I wouldn't let it keep you up at night.
Talk about delusions of grandeur.
lol
Granted this is how all Dictators start only differents is he was stopped. You would be surprised how easy something like this can gain momentum.
😂😂😂😂😂
Or the grandeur of delusions.
@@user-zs4go8ku3x I don't think these guys had any chance of any coup, even if they had controlled the parliement building for weeks, I don't think that would have mattered. Germans would not have accepted rule change simply based on who controls a building like in some game😂 If you can control the police, the military and the media, then you have an actual chance even if the population isn't on board.
dont let them write any books in jail please
Mein Burger
😂
Mein Kloomf
@@God7ODI know I shouldn’t be laughing at this situation but that was a hilarious response. 😂
Don’t let him have access to a computer, pens or paper
Who wouldn’t embrace feudalism, right?
Serfs?
monarchism late stage was without any feudalism
I don't understand all these anti-american people. Not once has anyone produced a superior document to the US constitution. The Russian constitution is a joke for example.
I am German but I firmly believe the US constitution is the greatest in the world and therefore the USA is the greatest nation in the world.
Define feudalism.
Even when Germany was a bunch of monarchies and principalities and duchies, his family was very very minor
To be fair that could be said about a lot of rulers who ended up gaining a lot of power.
@@josuemontero2675 to be fair, that’s not the point
Being such a minor Noble family especially in this day and age when monarchies are already despised by most people, really would hurt his legitimacy as Emperor. I'm sur more Germans would support the current head of the Hohenzollerns's over this no named noble.
So, who is the actual successor? Who's family in your opinion, or, better yet, anchored in cold, hard, immutable fact, would have the right and authority to overthrow the German government?
@@LolUGotBusted the right to overthrow the legally elected government? None! If they were to by ballot decide (for some strange reason to resurrect the German empire and princely states, the Prussian royal family would by all standards have first dibs on an imperial crown. But there’s the Bavarian royals and saxons and all the others to contend with. But it’s 2024. Does Germany really need (or want) a Kaiser? This was all just bizarre right wing fantasy 🤷♂️
9:10 1945? Doesn't she mean 1918? The 3rd Reich didn't care much for restoring the Hohenzollerns or the monarchy.
The "Reich" officially didn't end until 1945, because the Weimarer Republic continued to use the name "Deutsches Reich" after 1918
@@_jpg Most historians consider the 2nd Reich to have been from 1871 to 1918.
@JWRogersPS That's true, but the official state existed from 1871-1945.
Why in Germany this is called justice but in the US is considered injustice when you put people who want to seize power in true justice?
Because it was allowed to become normalized.
try to remember that this country was founded upon an act of treason in 1776, and again another act of treason 1861 by a section.
Because one was a riot and seems the other was a plan.
@TGWazoo1 WRONG!
@@TGWazoo1 You do know we've got the chat logs of the groups there...
We can see what they were planning.
And a president inciting a riot also tends to fall on the criminal side of the law.
This sounds like a group of Kaiserreich superfans were role-playing a bit too hard here.
New millennium dawn focus tree rn 🥶🥶🥶
“Emporer” of the Holy Roman Empire. Imagine having this much ego 😂 what a loser.
Granted this is how all Dictators start only differents is he was stopped. You would be surprised how easy something like this can gain momentum.
@@user-zs4go8ku3x agreed. Isn’t the Frank Herbert’s warning to society? Lol
@user-zs4go8ku3x thats not true at all. That requires a decline in the strength of institutions which isn't happening little buddy
@@liphrium9858 a massive decline… which hopefully won’t be happening within the next century.
@@liphrium9858 It really isn't that hard. It just takes the perception of potential insecurity and 80% of it dissolves.
Emporer... like an Emperor, but have no money?
Or clothes
@@supernova7848😂😂😂😂
Or proper influence.
In short, it’s the local version of the Oath Keepers.
The Oath Keepers are from the US but i don't know what to call this group from Germany. Fascist maybe.
Do they think sitting in the parliament or throne magically gives them the right to command the police and the army ? 😂😂😂
This ain’t the 1800s
No, the laws that are enforced by the police, allow the police to arrest people that plan to overthrow the government.
Do you have any idea how a democracy functions?
Sadly, there are a lot of rightists (even Neonazis) in the Police and Military. I guess those people counted on them joining their cause.
in 1800s it was still by the publics support
Yeah, planning to overthrow the government was never legal.
And Police have always kicked down your door for it.
In the US back in 2012-2014, we thought these kinds of news stories were funny too. We had similar ideas brewing with the birtherism conspiracy about Obama that trump was flouting being one of the most popular. We always had militias that sometimes had been involved in acts of violence. In 2016, we realized those ideas were more widespread than we thought and in 2020, we realized how many people would go along. Let’s see in 2024, how many politicians are willing to go along with trump because he didn’t have the generals, the VP, the chief of staff to go along with him.
You already have the Adf, it’s gaining momentum in the rural areas…. Good luck with that.
They want to be a dictator so badly.
Once again. The police gave them a reality check.
As do those who use democracy as a veil for tyranny. At least these guys are honest about who they are
They want Gods Chosen to go rule their own country
They alredy have one by choice that is doing what WHO, EU wants...they are worse by the day...once they loose papre money, they will sufferneven more. And then again iz will be Open dictatorship where will People have to take harmfull, expetimental jab...they wont ne abble to speak again, or less, as WHO is taking over...they were amatous.
Expect more, People protest, farmers to as we are lead to hunger games...
A huge arsenal of about 300 weapons? Sheesh, some Americans own that many just as a hobby.
Many of them were not registered. In addition they had illegal weapons from the military too.
As an American, owning as little as 300 guns gets you laughed at.
they had like 2 hunting rifles, the 300 guns are not real
Thats because America is free to the point you can have anything woth enough money.
2 Reichburgers with cheese, French Fries to go (prison).
Sound like a vegan alternative.
Lol
😂
😂😂😂😅
This comment legit made me hungry.
Damn, Covid really affected the mental health of some people.
Ya think?
Political expert. Now, I think that imperialism and fascism ARE threats to democracy. But democracy is a threat to itself. They need to stop being so liberal and enact a strong conservative sovereign government before these things happen again from extreme groups. TBH monarchies are starting to boil over because they are restrained from so much to the point eventually all of these monarchies will no longer resist taking back power. HOWEVER the world is ‘ending’ and it will likely only get more radical, and less monarchist and conservative. (Unless if the anti-globalism protests spark reforms)
Apparently a lot of people around the world
Emperor Palpatine. He even looks like him.
you just described Viktor Orbán before the throne.
🤣
Whose going to be the supreme chancellor?
Palpatine was actually competent, though.
I was blaming myself for being somewhat of a conspiracy theorist when the thought popped up how it would be in the interest of Putin to fund this plan. Then I just read the Wiki entry on the coup attempt which states: "Vitalia B", the Russian life companion of Prinz Reuss, through whom he was able to secure interim financing from three Russian individuals, was also arrested." Wow ...
A bunch of self-serving, wealthy, narcissistic people thinking they can do what they want without ramifications? The heck you say.
"self-serving, wealthy, narcissistic people thinking they can do what they want without ramifications"? Isn't that exactly what the US empire has been doing all along? The difference between this old gentleman and the US empire is the scale of the undertaking -- This old gent does it in Germany while the US does it in the entire world.
@resnica3557 it's not just the USA. China, Russia, India, and the USA all have done similar things around the world. Our real enemies are the wealthy elite that rule the world not some misguided people in Germany or the USA.
Kinda like the politicians in the party they’re fighting against? The German government is run by self destructive decadent WEF puppets anyway they are a government that should get changed and overthrown
@@resnica3557yeah you don’t hear them about that😂
aavvcc
A third of our country wants Trump.
The old guy would probably be better than Trump.
We need to take lessons here in the United States.
You are already putting political leaders in jail or in the process
@@marksimpson6387Nobody of any importance is going to jail, unfortunately. Get your facts straight.
@@marksimpson6387 No, we are attempting to hold criminals accountable. Big difference.
@@nex-ex5100 Lol thats what the commies/fascist said too!
@@nex-ex5100 And yet the way that American Judicial is at the moment you'll just have to have money and then the Supreme Court will give you a free of jail card.
The whole world is absolutely out of control!! OMG.
Uh - read some history. Or watch the funny videos of Weird History or Tasting History. *The whole world has been absolutely out of control all the time.* Control is an illusion.
19th century thinking!
Absolute monarchy was the norm until 100 years ago.
Liberal democracy has not lasted long.
And it was Social Democrats, whom most people would call "Leftists" who ruled the first democratic government in Germany.
It's obviously 20th century thinking, since they pretend that they are still living in the German Reich as it existed in 1937.
I highly doubt this would work even in the 19th century. you cant storm the parliament with like 200 dudes and take over the nation. the army would never stand for it.
gets you 19th century punishments 🥵
19th century thinking with mid-20th century methods
He may have been “leading the plot” but quite simply “he lost the plot”. How grandiose thinking he would succeed in imposing himself as some grand emperor.
300 firearms? Lol. There are more firearms at my local church on a Wednesday.
US: 10.84 deaths per 100k by firearms pA
DE: 1.23 deaths per 100k by firearms pA
So y'all might want to work on your trigger discipline and stop giving firearms to grossly unqualified individuals.
I bet they thought they were alphas and the German state now is too weak to deal with 300 weapons.
But reality gave them a proper check.
Arizona school teachers will have a bigger arsenal than that now they are legislated to carry guns.
in the USA ???
@@freddenker9537of course. No other country but the USA thinks this gun insanity is normal. We have more insane right-wingers than Germany.
Feel like I once saw a DW documentary about these guys, where they kept talking about “day x”. Even as an everyday casual viewer, I thought “that was a bit strange and kind of alarming” .
They are the equivalent of trumpsters
Across the pond they want to install the Trumperror
Well we have to at least give President Trump some credit for the babies lives he's saved.
@@thewholetruth5473he hasn't saved any lives and mishandled covid so badly that many died that shouldn't have. But hey critical thinking..right
Nobody is openly saying they would shoot people in Germany. Only in the US would vote for that.
@@juliec5309 I'm talking about the party girls, ladies of the evening, etc. who abort their own preborn children.
Is Deutsche Bank still in Russia making a profit.
What I don’t understand is why would the country follow someone as a leader if they take the parliament building or White House? Why not let them do it then build a wall around and change people to come see them, like the British did with their monarchy..
I kind of think that you need an empire to have an emperor. Germany lost all their stuff by fooling around in the 20th century.
Imperator.
It just means a military commander.
Learn some history and languages.
Ah yes, because temporarily existing in the confines of a special building gives you authority over a country... XD
People can’t even overthrow and lead their families. Let alone a WHOLE DAMN GOVERNMENT with trained skilled professionals……the idiocracy is SUPREME.
what?
Eh?
Still they needed to be stopped. They tried to kill many people and had prepared for it it was urgently needed to arrest them.
Sadly in Bavaria the police tipped some members of that group they got arrested only a few days later in south east Europe.
They were gonna change the regime with 20 people?? What a joke
Plus the 23.000 Reichsbürger in Germany.
Was he a painter?
No, Musician.
How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?
deja-vu anyone?
Trump must be jealous, next time instead of being a dictator, he'll ask to be called an emperor!
@@eric_smokesi hope your being funny because not one of his supporters actually referred to him as “god emperor” besides in obvious jest (im not republican)
@@goononslaught8687He’s referring to how Trump himself has referred to himself as the “Day-One Dictator” and considering how politicians “joke” and how big his ego is, we can assume he truly wants to be that
Don't give him ideas!
@@Cinnuhminn💯! If he gets in office again, he's not ever leaving.
Normies stating orange man is bad shows that no one learned anything since Covid about watching the news
Emperor! Not emporer
DW sucks
I thought I was having a seizure
Picky, picky, picky.
'emporer', slang for poor emperor.
Perhaps he wanted to set up an emporium, you know.
All he wanted to do was go to art school
I love how calm the host is compared to American media lol
I guess no one told him it’s not the 1870’s..
Or Japan, the 50s and 60s.
Why weren’t royal and noble titles abolished when Germany became a republic. That fairytale thinking has no place in this day and age. The captured wannabe emperor shows that the people who hold title really see themselves as being elevated above the rest.
It's not? Damnit, I must've overslept.
Make sure you don't have anyone rejected from art school joining these groups.
I can understand the guy himself wanting to be an emperor, but why would anyone conspire with him? Who wants to live under an emperor in this day and age?
There are some genuine monarchists still to this day. I'll never understand why some people so badly want to be submissive under an absolute hereditary ruler, but for whatever they're still around
Most likely they believe that if they helped they would get some benefit/become ones with more benefits vs. Others
Britain :(
The Japanese.
@@acedegreyif they have no power than they’re just delusional either that or become really good friends with him otherwise I don’t see how they wont be used and thrown out
They have ties to Russia 💯
"What went wrong that they could operate for so long without being seen" - well they are so outlandish nobody was expecting it.
Take notes US Justice Department
Germany had a bit of an "oopsie schnitzel". 😂
There are over 400,000 documents in this case. It's gonna take some time to read. But I'm glad they were caught.
With what Army 😅😅😅😅 getting like America now
This is gibberish.
I don't believe this for second
How did they ever think this would possibly work? Crazy!
Not the brighest bulbs in the pack, probably egging each on in some echo chamber with no sane individuals telling them they are out of their mind if they think they have any chance.
Guns probably
Their leader had a Russian girlfriend with connections egging him on.
They didn't. it's made up bulshit story to nub scholz' political opponent. That German politic for decades.
@@nwmacguyif true, that adds up.
Wasn't that the group of grandpas that had a few illegal guns or something?
Financed by Russia
We had a guy try to commit treason in US a few years back… he gave half of the judges their job though so he’s been able to stay out of jail unfortunately 😢
FACTS UNFORTUNATELY 😢
TREASON !?!?!?! sounds serious, any........ evidence. Something they could have used at the first congressional hearing or the seconded Hollywood rebooted hearing. LOL
What treason, you made the claim now provide the evidence or is this some more "Russia collusion" B.S?
Yes unfortunately. That person you are speaking of is Donald Trump
@grobanite4ever85 Get off the internet. Go outside. Get some fresh air. Lose some weight. You don't need to buy into every new hysteria sold by the media.
@@grobanite4ever85 it’s true. And don’t listen to Peter, fresh air is overrated
These authoritarians completely missed all of European history in their education. It never ends well for dictators or wanna be dictators. Collective IQ of 2 here.
all that money and security but still miserable and greedier than most.
Risked more then most with more at stake. He could have enjoyed wealth but thought solutions
Lol, MGGA.
Sounds like it was a pretty half-baked idea. But then, pretty much all far right ideas are half-baked.
Or governments pay attention to this movements or democracy is at risk!
I didn’t know there were still monarchists in Germany?
there's all kinds of crazy people, some people believe they were kidnapped by aliens and others think there is a god. these think that the german republic is a made up state and the german reich in reality still exists and is ruled by an underground emperor.
Me neither
Pinky and the brain had less absurd plans.
How much Russian influence is in German politics?
They should have made me emperor. I'd make a good emperor. Emperor Felix. It has a nice ring to it. You may all bow before me.
He just miss the old times.
what's an emporer ?
A poor emperor
@@catmonarchist8920Getting porer 😂
A Kaiser translates to emporer >> Julius Kaiser / Caesar / Cæsar
An Emporer is like a Kung or a Pronce who rules over an Empore rather than a Kungdom or Proncepality 😂
Must have had Russian help.
There already is evidence of money coming in from Russia. One female former AfD party judge had gotten funding from an oligarch from Russia.
Their leader had a Russian girlfriend with connections egging him on.
I wouldn't be surprised..though I would be very concerned..😦🥺🙁
@@nwmacguy Ahhh, always the Russian girlfriend. Russia's secret weapon from ancient times.
Emperor Palpatine almost seized power lol
Sounds like a delusion wrapped inside a conspiracy.
Meanwhile the Orange God is still walking around on Amerikan Streets
Countries with constitutional monarchies are more stable than those with republics.
Not true
@@spe3dy744 Very true. Monarchs statistically have had higher approval ratings than most presidents. Even King Charles who was very unpopular at the beginning of his reign had an equal-to-higher approval rating than Joe Biden did at his height.
20,000 Crackpots in GDR, the UK version created Brexit.
Germany's Fourth Reich? Lmfao, history repeats itself.
We are poor enough, we don’t need to be empoored.😂
Like a villain straight out of a comic book
Not only a emperor, others want a calif as there leader
Now where did they ever get an idea like that…
Where are putins bagmen in Europe
Mainstream far-right politics. Now. That's a scary thought
Whenever someone is called far-right nowadays it's just shrugged off as if it's nothing. The warnings are being ignored.
Always been thus look at Israel, and extremist colonial apartheid project engage in genocide with full German state support. 35k dead civilians in 6 months not right wing enough ?
Emperor! 😂Which century are we in again??
What were their policies?
Because of course one must hatch the plot at one’s hunting lodge lol
We need to start a global GoFundMe so every Austrian boy can attend art school if they wish.
When they say corporations and the wealthy elite choose fascism over....
What makes this group “far right” vs insane?
Everything they don’t like is far right
Treason or fairytale 😂
Bs story
It’s amazing. They just won’t learn.
what chapter is this?
C'est dommage, ils auraient du essayer et ne pas se faire arrêter.
They seem quite similar to American 'sovereign citizens'.
Yes, pretty much the same thing.
They make their own passports, IDs and number plates.
One family of these nut jobs tried to ask for asylum in Russia, they were laughed out of there and slept in the car for multiple weeks.
with less firearms involved
this is what happens when life is too good to some people and too hard on others. Seems some see this dividing line as a threat to their entitlement rather than an opportunity to see the big picture - the better off my neighbourhood is then the better off I am. WTF. What's wrong with people.
Because income inequality leads to the people getting poorer wanting radical change. Thus support for a strong man who promises the change they want will rise to power.
An Emperor? Like Palpatine?
Never trust anyone who offers you a Rice Burguer, Never.
2:51 "too gay" 😂
These groups will only grow in power if the economy of Germany continues to be more unequal. The more income inequality, the less stable the society. The middle class must do everything to curb the greed of the german billionaires. As a Polish person, this is very important to me, I don't want Germany to attack us again, even if we have one of the best military forces in Europe right now.
I bet Polish nationalism is okay though?
Poland had been taking EU money for years now and still did not follow EU anti corruption laws and judical independence requirements.
Incomes in Poland are still very low and Inflation is much higher then in Germany.
Poland is staying afloat only thanks to EU money given by Germany In the past decades
@@lewishowe8349 it is definitely not okay, and poses a large threat mainly to Poland. But Poland is not such a significant country as Germany, and doesn't really have any territorial grievances towards other countries, so it's less of a threat than a fascist germany.
As Poland is falling more and more conservative, it is just a bit of time before Poland becomes a fascist run Dictatorship.
1:36 it seems this woman would prefer the way that the DDR did things. Why no raids for her?
Edit: and before someone ignorant points out that the lady is a member of the FDP, remember that there was such a thing as a Blockpartei in the Volkskamer.
His arrogance had him trade places from comfortable privileged lifestyle for a 8×10 cell. 😂😂
Sounds like Germany's Trumpler!?
Such madness still happens in Western nations?! 😮
Happened in the US, but the perpetrators are still free. Bravo Germany 🇩🇪 👏
"Western nations"?
The group and the AfD party were funded by an Russian oligarch with ties to the Kremlin.
Yeah, once we dropped the ball in the US, everyone else seemed to decide this is how sensible adults conduct politics. 😤
They should jail every single one of them indefinitely. If they seized power, they would do the same.
I wonder if "Prince" Reuss will write a book whilst in prison.
He could call it Meine .... something. 🤔
How about Meine Dummheit (My Stupidity) perhaps? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣