So trump was the one accused and he's liable for defamation. For denying it And now he's liable for defamation for saying what she said.. her own words 😢😢
The frustrating part is that even though the Judge gave Trump extra time to come back from a golf to testify and still didn't show up. Trump is still going to say the Judge didn't allow him to speak and people are still going to be stupid enough to believe it.
@@xavierb9061 "My lawyer advised me not to testify" and "The court didn't allow me to speak" are NOT THE SAME THING. Trump is lying to your face, and you're still licking his boots. Sad.
@@transsnack I try not to kinkshame, but it's tough when they try to include the rest of us without our consent. Although that's kinda the theme with Trump, isn't it?
I honestly don't understanding the screaming thing. I once dropped a sheet of glass on my foot and broke a few bones. Didn't scream just because I was in so much pain. Another time, I turned on the lights at night only to see a possum hanging off my window screen and hissing. Scared the bejeezus out of me, and I fell on my ass and gasped instead of screamed. There's so many different ways people can react to stress, pain and fright, and it's not always by screaming. I wonder if there's a correlation between vocalizations and the fight, flight, freeze response. I hypothesize that silent or near silent reactions are positively correlated with freeze responses, but this might be biased since I know my default is to freeze.
If I recall correctly, the Old Testament's instructions on overseeing a rape case has the victim screaming as one of the proofs that it was a real rape attempt and that the woman had not consented to it. That is probably where the idea of "if she was raped why didn't she scream [for help or out of terror]" comes from. Needless to say it's garbage evidence since there are plenty of ways to prevent a woman from screaming even if she is genuinely terrified and would scream, but since when has that stopped the deplorables?
@@Luke_Danger Yep, once again the religious right take bits and pieces from their manual to follow whenever it’s convenient for them (especially politically).
Same, I had an A-frame of sheet rock roll over my foot an broke 2 toes and scream at all and didn’t think they were broken til I walked into the emergency room and the doc told me they were broken. The next day pure agony.
I'm personally someone that goes into shock when something like that happens. I fractured a bone with high amounts of pain, and I could barely let out a word. My voice was gone
What gets me is every time I"ve heard him talk about this what he says is "These women aren't my type." Not "Sexual assault is disgraceful and vile and I would NEVER approach any woman without consent."
did you notice when he was confirming that "grab em" comment, and he got to the "millions of years" part... he said that stars could do it, then he *STARTED TO SMILE A LITTLE*... you can just barely see his lip curling after he says it
@@abigails4088 He's fighting back the laughter after saying "or fortunately" while he admitted on camera that he believes it's fortunate that stars can get away with rape.
A friend of mine was raped in high school. She didn't report it because she wasn't a virgin at the time. I had to agree with her. That was the time of "well, what were you wearing?" The fact she admited to flirting first would have doomed any criminal case and just caused her pain and ridicule. It's bad enough to do it now. I had to testify a few years ago against a man who sexually assaulted me. It was almost worse than the attack.
I was sexually harassed a few months ago, and if I got quizzed in court about what kinds of acts he was proposing exactly while caressing my back, I'm pretty sure I'd throw up immediately. I go into flight or fight mode if I hear or read the date it happened. I can't imagine testifying about actual r*pe and not having a panic attack. I hope you have found or can find peace one day.
I'm sorry You had to endure that. The fact that police and court system revictimizes victims even in first world country is incomprehensible. I thought me having to PAY to have an obduction (assessment of physical damage and evidence collection) after I was assaulted and too terrified to go to police after terrible previous experience when my friend tried to report a grabby teacher. I'm sorry, and I hope with all my heart that You heal fully.
@@slonk420 "someone touched my back and said some things and now some numbers scare me" damn bruh have you ever considered growing some thicker skin? if you're THAT weak, it's no wonder someone might take advantage of you.
In about 40% of rapes (and an even higher number when said rapes are perpetrated by someone in a position of power) the victim does not scream. It is a mix of shock, shame and desire to get it over with as soon as possible. The fact that these women were even asked in court why they did not scream is absurd.
I think there's a number of factors for why this is a thing. - Our legal system is not victim centered. - People do not understand what victims experience, especially if they've never been in that situation. - A lot of people spend a lot of time arguing to explain away rape accusations. So when people hear a rape accusation, they might just be thinking about arguments about why they aren't credible, rather than what the person is actually saying. I think identifying the problem will help to tackle it.
@@alisa9040 I am afraid it works the same way here (Greece) as it does over there. And the thing is this sort of attitude is causing most sexual assaults to go unreported.
Which kinda sucks, it would be nice to get these guys off the street and pay for the crime, if you wait 30 years and jump in on a “me too” movement, unfortunately, you only get 5 mil from a guy that won’t even miss it. Rape is terrible, report It ASAP, please!
@@Adoubletrippletap I do agree but I also believe that there is no blame to be placed on victims who decided not to speak up. They had their reasons for not doing so.
Imagine being turned away from a hospital after a major car accident because you weren't sure you screamed when your femur shattered. The mind covers up violent trauma like rape as much as it can, victims only know for certain who it was & that it happened.
I've been SA'd and I didn't scream either. In those situations you fight, flight, or freeze. I froze. It's a very common reaction and doesn't undermine claims of a sexual assault at all.
exactly, being reactive and resisting almost always just results in receiving more physical damage. there is no wrong way to react to that situation, what's wrong is that it was done to you by someone fully aware of and in control of their actions. your mind and body did their absolute best to protect you. hope that bastard burns in hell
Yes.. and thank you for highlighting this VERY important thing. It isn't just "fight" or "flight".... its "flight", "fight", "freeze", or "fawn".... and when it comes to SA, "freeze" is very common. The whole "you didn't scream so it didn't happen" is rooted in misogyny and ignorance.
The thing that stands out to me is that after this case, Trump ranted about everything during his CNN Townhall on Live TV... Which means that now E. Jean Carroll can sue him a third time for EVEN MORE MONEY! She has found an infinite money machine, which I didn't even know was possible.
Well, it _would_ be an infinite money machine, if he were _really_ a billionaire, but the mountains of shady accounting are making it seem like he may never have had that amount of cash, or any other resource. But I'm all for her suing over and over again until she takes whatever amount he _actually_ has when converted to liquid assets.
@@johnladuke6475yeah he only wasnt broke was that tv show. And now presidency. But i find it funny why would a "billionaire" ask working class supporters for $? And why would those poor workers actually do it? Blows my mind
I don't think he will pay her a dime... He will most likely defeat all these cases in appeal in the Supreme Court/ Once they are out of New York City. New York City has proven that trump can't win any cases there (especially civil, where burden of proof is 51%)
The moment in the recording where he said that celebrities can "unfortunately OR FORTUNATELY touch women inappropriately" gave me the biggest red flag I have ever felt creep through me.
When he had to think about answering whether he thought he was a star and didn't realize how that would look based on what he had just said, floored me.
He aint wromg though, not saying what he said ia good but it is true that celebs thinl they can donas they please and get away it because people let them get away with it
@@pedrorodrigueziii4859 I didn’t quite believe it when people said he would convict himself but boy, he damn near talked himself into a prison sentence and that is impossible for civil cases. Such a narcissist.
@@pedrorodrigueziii4859 It was either that, or a fight between logic and ego. "Don't say yes, because that means you indirectly claim that you should have the right to touch women without their consent!" "But I *AM* a star!"
For me, the most jaw-dropping part was when he told the lawyer, umprompted, that she wasn't his type and he didn't find her attractive. That for me, even more than the confusing Carroll for his ex-wife, or the "unfortunately or fortunately," was the most telling part of his deposition. Just sheer disdain for women that ranking them solely by attractiveness and demeaning them comes as naturally to him as breathing.
Yeah I'm surprised more people aren't latching on to the "unfortunately or fortunately" bit - like he pretty much just said "powerful men have historically gotten away with sexually assaulting women - and maybe that's bad, maybe it isn't, who knows lol" Like I know he's not very good at speaking in general, but... jesus
@@liamr6088 I get the impression that that whole section was evidence that he confuses lack of refusal to constitute consent. "They just let you do it"
@@steakknives Considering that sexual assault is more about power than sexual attraction, it's not _that_ comforting. That would be like telling someone, "don't worry; you're too poor to get mugged."
The fact that a former and possibly future president of the United States has to have the identities of jurors kept secret from him for fear of intimidation or reprisal seems like a big thing in itself
This right here. I was thinking the same thing when he mentioned that. Like how much evidence do we need for any/all of his crimes for him to go to jail (I know the answer). Its crazy that this will be the history for future generations.
The fact that Trump waddled through huge flaming corruption holes into our top office and stayed there for a full term was even bigger. Trump... a poster child for USAmerican corruption and value decay itself... got planted into the top office even though he ran as a pulsating oozing cancer growth as a candidate who became worse in the POTUS office. He proved that reality TV twisted the minds of too many USAmericans. In the near future, Mamma June and even Honey Boo-Boo might be POTUS at this rate.
Jurors have been attacked and even killed in the past when their names became known. And those, not in as high profile cases as this, but frequently involving violent common criminals. So, their names remain sealed, lest our court systems fail due to a lack of responding jurors.
Yea, I think we've kinda glossed over that bit at the end, where a judge requested the jurors, for their own safety, to stay anonymous even though the trial has concluded. That speaks volumes about the nature of Trump and his cult.
Yeah, for you, this show called "trial" is being arranged. Trump is being persecuted for political reasons, and you still blame him? You need a conscience to say - this aunt is lying, she has no evidence and she herself does not remember the date, she stole the story from the series, and Trump turned out to be innocently convicted.
That's something that often happens in trials involving terrorist organizations or the Mafia. So it makes perfect sense. given that Trump seems to think he's Don Vito Corleone. Even if he's actually Fredo.
That's fairly illogical. All the people named in the video haven't been attacked by Trump supporters in any way other than posdibly meaningless Twitter buzz. There's no Mafia level hit man threat in this case at all and the case has ended and the results of the case cannot be undone only appeals can be made. I feel this only makes Trump more popular and makes more people support him.
After seeing hundreds of Trump fans smash their way into a major government building and shout about killing the vice president, nobody can pretend a private citizen wouldn't be in danger.
I love how the other day on CNN Trump claimed he’s never met her, he has no idea who she is… and then immediately went into detail about where they met, the layout of the store and how she was supposedly “immediately attracted” to him. He claims he’s stating her side of the story (which also he claims to know nothing of), but that’s a lot of self aggrandizing for somebody else’s story. Like dude… way to dig your own grave.
"I didn't do it" is defense. "My accuser is crazy, a serial liar, and profiteering off their accusations against me" is defamation. All he had to do was keep his mouth shut.
And he still can't keep quiet about it! Who else would be found libel for defamation and almost immediately go on national TV and repeat the same defamatory statements?
@@computer_janitor no, because she's still allowed to disagree with the findings of the jury. Besides, the usage of the word 'rape' in common parlance tends to include all types of sexual assault, and they did find him liable for a lesser type.
I don't think anyone else had to testify. Trump's own deposition was Carroll's best witness. You can hear his lawyer dying inside when he opens his mouth.
It’s not uncommon to mistake a person as someone else, especially if the picture was taken at an odd angle and if it’s blurry, according to the defendant.
What got me was watching the deposition and seeing he was STILL saying she wasn’t his type after confusing her with Marla, meaning he hadn’t even realized what he had done.
No. Really, the actual thing we are stuck on is that "she wasn't my type" severely implies that you only rape women who are your type. That's the yikes.
There's also the argument of, you know, I didn't do it. What argument are you supposed to make? I never met her. I didn't do it. Ummm? What else is there? Obviously Trump should've kept his mouth shut. But since he didn't, let think about this: do we really think that Trump RAPED a 60 year old woman in a department store changing room? 60 years old. A man surrounded by beautiful women (back then anyway). Obviously there's no reason to rape anyone. But why on earth would be he choose a 60 year old. And chances she would scream? It's such a huge con job.
I love that she could probably sue him again for the rants he made at the CNN rally Reporters should just ask him about the case every day There’d be a never ending stream of lawsuits
Sure. After all, he's not going to shut up unless he gets punished every time he opens his moldering lie hole about it. Even then, if he ever shuts up, expect it to take a few lawsuits.
@@riparianlife97701 Would CNN be able to argue that Trump lies so frequently that viewers of CNN should already take his statements with a grain of salt? I'm not sure if that argument stands but it would make some sense to me.
I was seriously sexually assaulted twice, different assailants, (1990) & (1996) I didn’t scream the first time because I was too traumatised to do anything other than freeze, 2nd timeI didn’t scream, my children were in the house with me and you don’t want to put your babies in the line of fire. I reported the 2nd R word, it was completely brushed off, they didn’t do an R kit (UK) the bruises I showed them weren’t photographed and the police just said that my ex would say that I liked it rough. I completely understand why E. Jean Carroll would have left it until now to report. The absolute shit storm she is facing totally shuts me up. I’m so sorry.
@@eamonndeane587 Thank you, but no I didn’t even report the first one. I was living in a very extreme catholic country in the first instance. Birth control was not legal. Thankfully I was lucky and my virginity was the only thing I lost
The tone of the advertisement for your legal services was spot on. I was sexually assaulted when I was 15, and nothing was ever done because access to legal help was far out of my reach. Putting the offer out there at the start of the video is extremely important because it might give someone else the chance they need.
@@dannydaw59 I actually had to look it up. He does need to wear reading glasses, but hates being seen wearing them. I need reading glasses to see as well, seeing beats effectively being blind to close objects, so screw the beholder. Mine being permanently fixed at +1.75 power, due to implant lenses that replaced my cataracts. Hell, even if he needed Mr Magoo's +2.50 and climbing glasses my wife needed, his aversion is decidedly odd - especially when giving a deposition!
I can't tell you how many times I had to explain to people that civil suits determine liability, criminal cases determine guilt. And Legal Eagle is why I know the difference!
@@MegaLokopo We all know what he did. It was rape. It was sexual assault. It was battery. The jury aired on the side of caution. She told her friend he penetrated her within a short time after it happened. She should know, and I believe her.
@@B33t_R007 No. It is wrong, very wrong. Some people have a freeze response under shock and can't move at all. Google it. Not everyone freezes, but it's not rare at all. Fight, flight, freeze are three not two.
I mean, it works and we won’t think about updating any laws unless its like…repealing women’s reproductive rights and stuff like that … so yeah thats all they need. We shouldn’t have let industry run the country. We need separation if church and state and separation of state and industry. But good luck with that
No, it was, "I wasn't able to defend myself!", right after utterly refusing to defend himself at all. But, it's an excellent example for law schools in times when mounting any attempt at defense would've resulted in significant harm to the client's interests.
@@TheLumberjack1987 And why should he appear at the trial? This aunt can't even remember the date of the rape. She stole a story from the show. This is absurd!
“I didn’t rape her bc I never met her, she’s ugly, and she’s not my type” boy “I didn’t rape her bc that’s disgusting and I would never”. Implying that she would rape her if she was pretty and his type?
Well you could argue that she's his ex-wife because she turned out to not be his "type", and that since Carroll looks like her to him she's not his "type" either.
Unfortunately or fortunately. When talking about how stars can get away with sexual assault he really said that. I'm amazed at how awful he is at even pretending to be a good person.
And then he went on CNN and joked about sexual assault, and the crowd laughed like sexual assault was the funniest thing they'd ever heard. When someone shows you who they are, believe them.
@Nick well even a jury of NY liberals said there was no rape. Carroll is a lunatic, no mention of her story being a carbon copy of an SVU episode years earlier
@@xavierb9061 .....no evidence? A jury decided otherwise. This wasn't a "he said, she said" incident. Like with Bill Cosby, it was a "he said, she said, then she said, then she said, then she said, then she said" story He was presumed not liable entering into this case. So there had to be enough evidence to convince that jury, otherwise he wouldn't have lost.
"she didn't scream" Contrary to what horror movies might have told you, not every female screams when terrified or in pain. I gave birth twice and didn't raise my voice, never mind screaming. I didn't scream when I stepped on a live coal when I was a kid, either.
@@skeletonbuyingpealts7134 Same, completely fractured my wrist and only grunted in pain because I also landed on my face. Didn’t even realize it was broken until about 30 seconds later when the pain started kicking in, then I just wanted to lay down and die not scream
@@jacobfox7274 That's right. Sometimes you're shocked when something unfortunate happens to your body. I slipped while riding my bike in the rain and completely flipped over over the front handlebars, one of which snapped my collarbone in half. I then got up and rode home 30 minutes on my bike, not realizing that my collarbone was broken until I tried to raise my arm and it didn't respond normally. Then I reached up and touched my collarbone and thought, "There seems to be two bones here where there was only one before."
I mean she literally said in an interview with Anderson Cooper that rape is sexy and thrilling and then started hitting on AC. Yeah, that sounds like someone who is traumatized.
I love that I've heard so little from Trump in the last few years that Trumps narcissism and complete lack of self-awareness is once again shocking. As it should be.
For trump and his supporters this is simply free advertising for him and reinforces in his supporters everything they believe about the trump and the system.
What the plaintiffs lawyers missed presenting to the jury was Trump's 2005 interview with Howard Stern he boasted that because he had the rights to the Miss Teen USA pageant he would purposely walk into the dressing room while the contestants were in various stages of undressing, including some who were nude.
I think during the interview with Howard Stern, he was talking about Miss Universe and Miss USA where they are at least 18 (and it's still very wrong), but multiple Teen USA contestants confirmed that he did the same thing at Miss Teen USA.
Yes, he's a disgusting pig, but none of that proves this specific incident happened or not. I don't understand this case, nor do I understand the reaction of the public. This was a trial that judged on nothing but character. That isn't how justice is supposed to work.
I didn’t know that screaming could make or break a case. I’m screaming from now on, any time I am being treated unfairly. Getting a ticket, being told I’m in the wrong seat. A divorce case, if this will help me win I’ll do it.
...his argument that he didn't know who she was is bologna on multiple levels... But, primarily... You don't need to know someone in order to rape or sexually assault them.
Many women can tell you that "you're ugly" and "you're not my type" are often the responses you get after turning down a man anyway. So that just solidified the case in my mind.
It's very unfortunate but sometimes it's just based on your location whether or not you can actually report r*pe. This happened to me in my senior year of high school. Even if I went to the police right after I doubt anything would've happened. But even after me coming to terms with what had happened to me and actually talking to somebody, the school counselor asked me if that's really what had happened or if I was just blowing things out of proportion. I had never met that lady before and this of course just made me super upset. It's hard because I know that that would've been her same reaction if I went to her right after it happened. The dude didn't even go to our school, she didn't know him so it wasn't like she was protecting someone. She just accused me of wearing inappropriate clothing. It was winter and I had a skinny jeans on and a long t-shirt but honestly that doesn't matter to people. They just want to give excuses for the other party.
Everything you said is 100% accurate. That awful school counselor was victim blaming and I am so glad that you saw right through her BS. You didn’t do anything to “deserve” that violence and no magical number of steps exist to prevent it. There is just one person who has to do just one thing to prevent sexual assault-the perpetrator just has to _not_ commit sexual assault. It’s their fault and their responsibility, exclusively. The US justice system is profoundly broken-especially when it comes to prosecuting, investigating, and convicting sex crimes. Only 20-30% of sexual assault victims ever report the event to the police. You’re absolutely not required to subject yourself to that process. Whether or not “anything would’ve happened,” you have every right to refrain from that stress and potential trauma. And if you ever change your mind and/or need the police in the future, you have every right to go to them. You sound like a self-aware and self-confident badass. And I am truly sorry that you were ever subjected to that kind of ugliness.
Really? You think you know anything? You only know it was overreach because he said so in the video. This kind of shit happens all the time. Depositions can last for hours upon hours, and have a break in them. They are exhausting. Learn something.
@@viator1987 - Okay... I'm a person who knows something and, yes, coaching your client during a deposition is absolutely sanctionable. The deponent’s representation may object on form, privilege, or relevancy. However -- with some very VERY narrow exceptions -- that lawyer may not instruct their client not to answer and under no circumstance may the lawyer supply their own answers or coach their client on how to answer a question during the deposition itself. Now, if it happens a couple times, usually the deposing lawyer will usually let it slide. However, if it becomes a habit, I have seen depositions stopped and the presiding judge immediately called there and then.
@@ShinmaWa1 lol the guy who armchair reddit argues with brilliant conjecture like "learn something" decides to come at the person who actually did learn the something. What a f*ckwit.
Whenever anyone asks "why don't women come forward at the time?" in one of these situations, it's a self-answering question--look at what happens when they DO come forward after, especially with a powerful public figure! They get publicly humiliated, insulted, defamed, called liars, receive death and rape threats, their lives put on trial in court! If this happens in 2023, how much worse would it have been in 1990? Look what the repulsive Tacopina asked her: did you scream? Why didn't you scream? If you did scream, how loud did you scream? Why didn't anyone hear you?" "Why did you joke with him about lingerie?" These are all indirect ways of saying, "You were asking for it, weren't you? You enjoyed it."
"If you look over the last million years..." Like a toddler getting caught destroying a package of oreos. "If you look over the last million years, securing food is always a great thing."
Lots of things wrong with that statement. A million ago, there weren't celebrities ("stars"). And then ending with "Fortunately or unfortunately." WHAT? If someone isn't clear on whether sexual assault is a fortunate or unfortunate thing.... Well, I'm sure that response caught the attention of most of the jurors.
He was just being petulant. "Well, if you look at _all of recorded history_ you silly billy, we've *always* assaulted those we have perceived power over." It's a bold and groundbreaking legal defence, "So what, everyone else was doing it!", looks like it somehow didn't pan out for him this time. Can't wait to see how he goes with a criminal courtroom, hopefully with a judge who won't put up with that kind of embarrasing behaviour.
When he said, "if you look back a million years ago," I said, "aren't you like the former leader of the Christian Nationals? The world is only a few thousand years old according to YOU."
@@cheezykrafts8134 he is less christian than I am an First Nation. He doesn’t even know how the 2nd Corinthians isn’t the 2 Corinthians, just utter drivel from a man who has never believed in anything except his own right to do whatever he wants.
Did you look at the picture? Like holy crap. You people are so damn weird. I feel bad for you Democrats. The amount of bias you have to look at the world is just tiring.
@@mike-ws3jl Are you implying that there is a shred of doubt as to whether or not he is guilty? His lying about how Ms. Carrol isn't his type is just highlighting his character.
More true than you realize. All Republicans approve of raping people. The goal of all conservatives is to maximize the suffering in the world, so they are for anything that increases suffering.
The fact that he said “she’s not my type” is absolutely disgusting. If someone was accused of sexually assaulting your sister or daughter and they said that, you would punch them in the face and rightfully so. It’s incredible how a third of the country will excuse Trump for doing things that would get a normal person assaulted.
I wouldn't "punch him in the face" specially if my sister kept liking the guy and his show after the whole "unproven rape". Stop using emotions to argue reality, you j ust sound dumb
@@amandamandamands would she have filed this report had it not been against the superstar of a show she loved even after the whole abuse happened, especially if this other person was as broke as your average citizen? if your answer is yes, i would like to sell you a bridge. Him saying he doesn't know her and then not recognizing her only tells me one thing: he sucks at identifying people like your average narcissist. Congrats, you figured out something everyone knew
Yeah, to say that celebrities grope women all the time, and they claim to be a celeb is about as close to admission of guilt as possible. And he did actually say fortunately, which just adds that extra bit of disgust to it.
I was looking to see if anyone commented about that line. Absolutely disgusting. It’s that exact mentality that had kept women in a state of property for most of human civilization (at least in the West). It’s a childlike entitlement mixed with minimizing excusemaking to not ever see yourself as the “bad guy.”
For me, the assault occurred the second Saturday in February in 1982, I told nobody, I mean nobody until October 2019. I was in the Army, and even all those years later, the VA recognized my service connected disability resulting from the trauma, for which I am grateful. Can't get all those years back, though. But even now, I believe that nondisclosure was the best thing I could have done. It would have been so much worse.
I am also sorry and you are probably correct it would have been worse if you had said anything just like with Jean. Unfortunately not saying anything seems just as bad. Glad you are getting help now and can talk about it. Secrets eat us up.
And both heavily involve excusing those in the wrong. CLARIFICATION: the part about the legal system for the poor excusing those in the wrong (meaning justice is never served) is explained by the comment by ronson53 immediately below, despite them understandably misinterpreting what I meant. I could've been clearer, but I wanted to keep it punchy. Ah well, that's out the window and a mile down the street. I figured its meaning could easily be deduced, but, alas! I was wrong. Ain't the first time.
@@None-Trick_Pony um not really maybe you should look at the number of false conviction confessions and the number of plea deals simply because the possibility of losing. Yes there are criminals that get away with stuff, but there are a non zero number of innocent people in prison as well.
True fact, but what does that have to do with this specific case? This was a civil case, even a poor & black person would not have gone to prison in this case.
14:40 - I know very little about the law, but when Trump's lawyer chimed in like that, I had wondered if that was allowed or not. I've seen lawyers interrupt their clients to get them to stop talking, but an open prompt like that... thank you for confirming.
I think that Harvey Wienstein and Bill Cosby have a lot in common with Trump. All three of them felt like they had the power and sway to get away with blatant sexual assaults. His deposition sounds like to me that he doesn't feel like a "star" should be punished for their actions. "It's been like this for millions of years." -the former guy
Unfortunately, those guys come from a generation that frequently got away w it. Demanding sex for favors was a very real thing in the 70's. Not as much today, except from neanderthals.
"Your Honor, as a professional hitman for the Italian Mafia, my client knows to put two in the head. Therefore the victim being shot only once is evidence of my client's innocence" - Saul Goodman, probably
He admitted to the rape up front in that propaganda CNN town hall, and of course he then blamed her. This is absolutely awful and this nasty creature, if there actually was justice in this country, would spend the rest of his miserable life in jail.
I watched the town hall as well and Trump definitely didn't admit to rape. It's worth noting that not even the jury in this case thinks Trump raped Caroll, just that he's liable for sexual abuse etc. I think it's interesting to discuss the context surrounding the trial, as well as what the verdict means for the public at large, but that's probably outside the scope of this channel's discourse.
@@jessicatymczak5852 I would urge you to rewatch it before spreading any further misinformation. It's ok to hate on the guy, but not to lie about him. He did not admit to rape.
I basically rely on your channel for legitimate information these days. I’m not sure if that’s sad or awesome, but I appreciate the work you do And honestly, it’s true. I’ve never been raped thankfully, but I have been stalked and assaulted by a coworker in the freezer of the casino where I used to work in the bakery. And I couldn’t tell anyone because it was his seniority word against mine. I would’ve likely either been reprimanded or lost my job. That’s just the sad world we live in. It’s no surprise women don’t feel like they can come forward because when they do, they just get punished for it. After I left, I was informed by another coworker that he actually tried to track down where I lived. Men who get away with this stuff feel like they can get away with anything, and since I had no physical proof of any of this, I couldn’t go to the police about anything. It makes you feel so scared and desperate. Like, what CAN you even do? Often times, nothing.
"She's not my type" makes him sound like a seiral killer that has some sort of victim profile that he goes after. Also calling cops for some neibourhood kids doing something to your property is NOT the same as going to police with a traumatic event story involving a person in power.
isn't it funny how the behavior of alleged rape/sexual assault victims is allways excused with things like "if you're not a survivor you cant understand" but when a victim of a false allegation makes statements the same does not apply? tell me, how many times did you get accused of sexual assault or rape?
I didn't scream. I sobbed, I shivered, I made noises, but they were mostly squeaky. I couldn't manage to get words out, let alone a scream. Men think they there would always be screaming, but you don't know.... you don't know what your OWN reaction will be until it happens. We want to think we should scream and kick and fight with our last breath... and maybe some people do. But a lot of us don't and it isn't abnormal, at all. Every victim experiences a unique trauma response. No experience is EXACTLY the same.
Rape is one of the few things that makes my blood boil. Anyone who does it instantly becomes sub-human in my eyes. Anyone who can do that isn't a person like the rest of us and should be treated like a dangerous animal. Screaming is just one of many shock responces. And it's one that can be stopped with something like putting a hand over their mouth. 'I didn't hear screaming' means nothing
Thank you for covering this. I was interested in the case but it’s such triggering subject matter I was waiting for a reliable analysis from a thoughtful non-sensational source. You’re the best!
What I haven't heard ppl discuss is how it's likely he misidentified Carroll for Marla Maples because he was cheating on Ivana, also in the picture, with Marla around that same time. What a class act.
What time was that? J. Carroll doesn't even know. But it is alleged that it was in the mid 90's, he had divorced Ivana in 1990 and married to Marla in 1993. What is most likely though is Trump misidentified the photo because he is losing his vision, like most people born in the 40's whom now wear _glasses._
@@changeminds2736 The photo is from 1989 which happens to be the year Ivana caught Donald and Marla sleeping together (over Christmas). So @Grace was correct that the picture was taken before the assault (in the 90's so clearly after 1989), while he was married to Ivana, and was sleeping with Marla.
Did anyone else pick up on this: imagine you were in the jury and the judge warned you that the defendant has a history of threatening people in the jury. How much of a f-you response is that going to trigger when you decide penalties?
That "DUH" look on his face when she asked if he was a star after he claimed that sexual assault was what stars do was hysterical. Master of unintentional comedy, that one.
Damn, what the hell did he say? You seem to be not stupid, are you okay with sanity? Do you believe your aunt, who does not remember the date of the "rape" and completely stole this story from an episode of the series that came out before her testimony? It's all so obvious, but you're so blind...
Chump is a megalomaniacal, wealthy narcissist. That makes him unstoppable in today's society. He's basically invincible in every possible way simply because no one has fired an RPG into his crotch. But he deserves to be incinerated in the same way every OTHER heinous criminal on the planet needs to experience a Reckoning.
@@nobodysmith8580 and adding "or fortunately" to the end of his statement about stars getting away with it. It's almost like he was saying it's unfortunate when other people do it, but fortunate when I do it.
First he's liable for defamation for denying his accusations. Now he's liable for using her own words .word her own account to the people to discredit her he can sued for defamation using own words. Are you sure calling his supporters fascist wanna be in authoritarian State. Isn't just projection
@@osmosisjones4912 the copium is unreal with this one. Bro this is the same guy who tried to get his followers to overthrow the government just because he didnt win, claiming untrue election fraud (when he himself called the senator of Georgia to try and give him a few thousand votes out of think air)? Thats borderline treason, not the mention the endless frivolous lawsuits he and his d riders tried to pull, with ZERO evidence. Most of the evidence pulled on him didnt even come from the Democrats, just his OWN team.
@@osmosisjones4912 by reading your comment I may have lost your point. You're saying that by his own words he admitted to sexually assaulting women, either he's telling the truth or he's lying about sexually assaulting women so take your pick. Some of these women said "yeah he sexually assaulted me" just not exactly like he said but in fact worse than he bragged about. So did Bill Cosby rape numerous women over decades or were they "just making that up" too. Or are women only raped by people lurking in alleys? I don't get your point.
They know. The attorneys *know* this. Never give them the benefit of apparently not knowing this. It's pure malice, simply an attempt to discredit the witness with a blatant lie. How attorneys can say this and not be immediately sanctioned is beyond me.
7:05 amazing! He opens his mouth but stops, realizing the implications of saying yes, but his ego couldn't let him deny being a big important celebrity!
Hey Devin, given Trumps testimony that he had no recollection of her, is he open to a perjury charge given how much he 'remembered' about her in the CNN town hall? It seems like the two versions are in some way contradictory at the very least
No, because he wasn't under oath in the CNN town hall so there's no punishment for lying. As long as he keeps mostly to that story while actually under oath, it's unlikely he'd be hit with a perjury charge. Judges and prosecutors hate levying perjury charges anyways, they're really annoying to prove.
As a lawyer from another country listening to this was interesting. We don't have juries or depositions like in the USA. Normally in a civil trial (assuming a plaintiff led the necessary evidence to sustain a case), if a defendant fails to lead any evidence (to rebut the plaintiff's version) then the plaintiffs version is accepted. You also, when cross examining, cannot put a version to a witness if you don't call a witness who puts that version forward. If you do then the judge simply ignores any version you put forth in cross examination
he's pretty well known for using courts agressively, but somewhat less known for setting his dogs on people, i guess. who's that rich bastard in the simpsons? well, trumps kinda like him except that he lacks that guy's charm, intelligence & humanity.
Not just Trump, but many members of Congress don't. How absurd is it that the head of the House Judiciary Committee, Rep. Jim Jordan, Republican, Ohio, isn't a lawyer?
@@SynthMusicWorld yup. That’s why he’s being admonished by actual attorneys over his actions. His little justice committee has zero jurisdiction anywhere and yet he had the audacity to demand they turn over documents lol. Sit down Jim.
Because He has gotten away with breaking the law his entire life. It wasn't until everyone shined a spotlight on his life that it all started coming out
Hard to have a defense against someone you "Never met" 🙄 Unfortunately in his mind he was "allowed" to behave a certain way. "Fortunately, when you're a star they let you". She and others were devastated but for him it never registers so it doesn't remain worthy of thinking. I would imagine the same holds for all those girls he assaulted in Miss America dressing rooms, bet he "can't remember" their faces either.
@@meh8982 your first instruction by your attorney during deposition or before testifying, "I don't remember" is preferred over remembering some things or trying to relate foggy memories.
E Jean Carroll was a genial television star on a network that predated MSNBC who was such a nice person that I was not surprised she prevailed. She oozes sincerity and authenticity which was hard for Trump to defend against.
*Hahahaha what a joke you are if you really believe that.* I hope someone doesn't make up a story about you one day and get two other people with made up accounts also unproven to convict you. They also need to make up a law which changes the statute of limitations for just one year and one year only. The scariest political persecution in the history of the USA. *Usually survivors of SA joke about having **-sex-** with their attackers, that is the exemption that proves the rule right there. **_Deeerrrrp_*
@@nigelhickman2274 Carroll’s friend did supply the date that Carroll told her it happened. I think that Trump’s own comments supplied the preponderance of evidence needed to hold him liable for sexual assault. He has said he assaults women, and when you’re a star they “let you do it”. Several women have testified that he did just that. They didn’t “let” him do it through consent but because of fear of retaliation , which is why powerful men think that they can, and so often do, get away with it.
the fact that she made jokes about him after the fact is NOT an inconsistency and is something that happens ALL THE TIME w victims of assault. i remained “friends” with the man who assaulted for months after it happened because i was gaslit into believing nothing bad happened to me. i am disgusted by these lawyers. they know NOTHING about abuse.
I was amazed that Habba was so unprofessional and unethical as to jump in like that during a deposition. After learning more about her, I'm no longer surprised.
Was it legal for him to go on the news claiming the same things that got him the charge in the first place? He went on live and said he doesn't even remember her and then recited a bunch of things he remembers about her. Lol. And his people just ate it up.
@@macmcleod1188 what a moron. It would be like getting off with a warning for attacking someone and then attacking a random reporter outside of the courthouse. Lol. I hope this guy Pokemon Goes to Prison.
I found this really helpful in explaining what could happen in a sexual assault case. Just because looking for examples yourself usually gives advice on what to do if you are the alleged perpetrator, not if you are the victim or witness. Wish there was a series somewhere either detailing modern cases or even letting people know what happens from initial report to sentencing.
yeah i'm sure there are some rescources out theree detailing how to put it together... but i can't link any :s hope the eagle sees you post & thinks 'i can do that' i get the impression he might be able to do it well
And now Carroll has more fuel for either her ongoing defamation case, or for filing a new case, with Trump's recent CNN town hall and his Truth Social posts about her.
And now, thanks to Jean E Carroll's tweets about how she persuaded the NY state legislature to enact the Adult Survivor's Act, this legal outcome can be challenged as an illegitimate 'bill of attainder'
The ad for your legal team was really well handled I think. Understandable that you still need to advertise but kept the tone and respect that fits the video's context.
What struck me was that so many women said they didn't report the assault or rape because they were fearful of their career. And that such a horrific culture norm was accepted ..... And he don't even know who the lady was? If true, it is probably because he did similar disgusting things to too many young ladies And the jury .... sigh
Jury deliberating for only 3 hours probably means they had one vote after a brief conversation after all the normal formal stuff a jury does. 3 hours is incredibly short.
It baffles me that a man who has stated on tape, that he frequently grabs women by the genitals because if you're famous you can get away with it, even has the balls to try and defend himself.
Ah yes, because past statements make you guilty of crimes in the future. It's uninformed comments like these that make me wonder to what degree this civil case was decided by Trump's past public remarks that don't relate to Caroll's story at all. If it were the case, it would be extremely sad for our justice system. But really, is it even possible for Trump to get a completely unbiased trial? I think everyone either hates or loves him at this point lol. So maybe that's unavoidable.
He's the one accused and he's liable for defamation for denying it. Then now your saying he's liable for more defamation for using own words of what she's said happened Democracy is the greatest threat to justice and fairness democracy .
@@smartass0124so your rambling was too incoherent for me to parse reliably, but did you just say that democracy is the greatest threat to justice? The founding principle of this country? Because if so, wow.
Timing. The statute of limitations was up on the criminal charge. If she had tried this in the 90's he could have been facing jail time, but he also could have had his mafia goons murder her and throw her in the river.
@@ichijofestival2576 True - it does seem though, that Kelly Anne is more an opportunist and career chameleon than anything else. Once she made that choice she had to go all-in.
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So trump was the one accused and he's liable for defamation. For denying it And now he's liable for defamation for saying what she said.. her own words 😢😢
No rape but sexual but assault. Make it makes sense and Based on what
So I was proven to be lying about not knowing her because I didn't recognize her photos 🤦
@MagnatesMedia would be a great topic!
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The frustrating part is that even though the Judge gave Trump extra time to come back from a golf to testify and still didn't show up. Trump is still going to say the Judge didn't allow him to speak and people are still going to be stupid enough to believe it.
He said he couldnt because lawyer told him not to
@@xavierb9061 Yea, but how often does he listen to his lawyers?
@@xavierb9061 "My lawyer advised me not to testify" and "The court didn't allow me to speak" are NOT THE SAME THING. Trump is lying to your face, and you're still licking his boots. Sad.
@@Frostbite08 yeah, I gotta say, the trumpet's foot fetish is weird to see. They're so proud of it.
@@transsnack I try not to kinkshame, but it's tough when they try to include the rest of us without our consent. Although that's kinda the theme with Trump, isn't it?
I honestly don't understanding the screaming thing. I once dropped a sheet of glass on my foot and broke a few bones. Didn't scream just because I was in so much pain. Another time, I turned on the lights at night only to see a possum hanging off my window screen and hissing. Scared the bejeezus out of me, and I fell on my ass and gasped instead of screamed. There's so many different ways people can react to stress, pain and fright, and it's not always by screaming.
I wonder if there's a correlation between vocalizations and the fight, flight, freeze response. I hypothesize that silent or near silent reactions are positively correlated with freeze responses, but this might be biased since I know my default is to freeze.
It just makes sense to shut up during dangerous situations. Your brain doesn’t want that bear to FIND you, so you freeze.
If I recall correctly, the Old Testament's instructions on overseeing a rape case has the victim screaming as one of the proofs that it was a real rape attempt and that the woman had not consented to it. That is probably where the idea of "if she was raped why didn't she scream [for help or out of terror]" comes from.
Needless to say it's garbage evidence since there are plenty of ways to prevent a woman from screaming even if she is genuinely terrified and would scream, but since when has that stopped the deplorables?
@@Luke_Danger Yep, once again the religious right take bits and pieces from their manual to follow whenever it’s convenient for them (especially politically).
Same, I had an A-frame of sheet rock roll over my foot an broke 2 toes and scream at all and didn’t think they were broken til I walked into the emergency room and the doc told me they were broken. The next day pure agony.
I'm personally someone that goes into shock when something like that happens. I fractured a bone with high amounts of pain, and I could barely let out a word. My voice was gone
What gets me is every time I"ve heard him talk about this what he says is "These women aren't my type." Not "Sexual assault is disgraceful and vile and I would NEVER approach any woman without consent."
did you notice when he was confirming that "grab em" comment, and he got to the "millions of years" part... he said that stars could do it, then he *STARTED TO SMILE A LITTLE*... you can just barely see his lip curling after he says it
Because hollywood celebrities have definitely been around for millions of years and are above the law 😑
he also said WJC is much worse and for what its worth, i believe him!
and he destroys the type argument when he can't tell her apart from his ex wife too
@@abigails4088 He's fighting back the laughter after saying "or fortunately" while he admitted on camera that he believes it's fortunate that stars can get away with rape.
A friend of mine was raped in high school. She didn't report it because she wasn't a virgin at the time. I had to agree with her. That was the time of "well, what were you wearing?" The fact she admited to flirting first would have doomed any criminal case and just caused her pain and ridicule. It's bad enough to do it now. I had to testify a few years ago against a man who sexually assaulted me. It was almost worse than the attack.
I was sexually harassed a few months ago, and if I got quizzed in court about what kinds of acts he was proposing exactly while caressing my back, I'm pretty sure I'd throw up immediately. I go into flight or fight mode if I hear or read the date it happened. I can't imagine testifying about actual r*pe and not having a panic attack. I hope you have found or can find peace one day.
I'm sorry You had to endure that. The fact that police and court system revictimizes victims even in first world country is incomprehensible. I thought me having to PAY to have an obduction (assessment of physical damage and evidence collection) after I was assaulted and too terrified to go to police after terrible previous experience when my friend tried to report a grabby teacher. I'm sorry, and I hope with all my heart that You heal fully.
While sexual assault and harassment likely occur in less obvious spaces, defence lawyers are free to violate victims in open courtrooms.
@@kesart8378 That's very painfully true.
@@slonk420 "someone touched my back and said some things and now some numbers scare me" damn bruh have you ever considered growing some thicker skin? if you're THAT weak, it's no wonder someone might take advantage of you.
In about 40% of rapes (and an even higher number when said rapes are perpetrated by someone in a position of power) the victim does not scream. It is a mix of shock, shame and desire to get it over with as soon as possible. The fact that these women were even asked in court why they did not scream is absurd.
I think there's a number of factors for why this is a thing.
- Our legal system is not victim centered.
- People do not understand what victims experience, especially if they've never been in that situation.
- A lot of people spend a lot of time arguing to explain away rape accusations. So when people hear a rape accusation, they might just be thinking about arguments about why they aren't credible, rather than what the person is actually saying.
I think identifying the problem will help to tackle it.
@@alisa9040 I am afraid it works the same way here (Greece) as it does over there. And the thing is this sort of attitude is causing most sexual assaults to go unreported.
Which kinda sucks, it would be nice to get these guys off the street and pay for the crime, if you wait 30 years and jump in on a “me too” movement, unfortunately, you only get 5 mil from a guy that won’t even miss it.
Rape is terrible, report It ASAP, please!
@@Adoubletrippletap I do agree but I also believe that there is no blame to be placed on victims who decided not to speak up. They had their reasons for not doing so.
Imagine being turned away from a hospital after a major car accident because you weren't sure you screamed when your femur shattered. The mind covers up violent trauma like rape as much as it can, victims only know for certain who it was & that it happened.
I've been SA'd and I didn't scream either. In those situations you fight, flight, or freeze. I froze. It's a very common reaction and doesn't undermine claims of a sexual assault at all.
Freezing is literally your survival instinct keeping you from getting beaten, possibly to death.
I‘m so sorry you had to go through this.
That's awful, Oliver. I hope that you have an amazing life now. And that you're assailant spent the rest of theirs in prison.
exactly, being reactive and resisting almost always just results in receiving more physical damage. there is no wrong way to react to that situation, what's wrong is that it was done to you by someone fully aware of and in control of their actions. your mind and body did their absolute best to protect you. hope that bastard burns in hell
Maybe the first female president of the US should exist.
Yes.. and thank you for highlighting this VERY important thing. It isn't just "fight" or "flight".... its "flight", "fight", "freeze", or "fawn".... and when it comes to SA, "freeze" is very common. The whole "you didn't scream so it didn't happen" is rooted in misogyny and ignorance.
His deposition was the worst one I have ever seen. If he was a little smarter I would swear he was actively trying to lose.
If someone told me that Trump was a plant hired to make the GOP look bad I would believe them with zero evidence.
Image being his lawyer watching that deposition.
No, he was bored and didn’t want to answer the questions. You can see it in other depositions. The same attitude.
I mean he's now a martyr
I've watch 2 other of his depositions. He is a bumbling ass in those as well.
The thing that stands out to me is that after this case, Trump ranted about everything during his CNN Townhall on Live TV... Which means that now E. Jean Carroll can sue him a third time for EVEN MORE MONEY! She has found an infinite money machine, which I didn't even know was possible.
I hope every new judgement doubles.
Well, it _would_ be an infinite money machine, if he were _really_ a billionaire, but the mountains of shady accounting are making it seem like he may never have had that amount of cash, or any other resource. But I'm all for her suing over and over again until she takes whatever amount he _actually_ has when converted to liquid assets.
@@nobodysmith8580 … and all the other women he assaulted, too!
@@johnladuke6475yeah he only wasnt broke was that tv show. And now presidency. But i find it funny why would a "billionaire" ask working class supporters for $? And why would those poor workers actually do it? Blows my mind
I don't think he will pay her a dime... He will most likely defeat all these cases in appeal in the Supreme Court/ Once they are out of New York City. New York City has proven that trump can't win any cases there (especially civil, where burden of proof is 51%)
The moment in the recording where he said that celebrities can "unfortunately OR FORTUNATELY touch women inappropriately" gave me the biggest red flag I have ever felt creep through me.
When he had to think about answering whether he thought he was a star and didn't realize how that would look based on what he had just said, floored me.
He aint wromg though, not saying what he said ia good but it is true that celebs thinl they can donas they please and get away it because people let them get away with it
@@bobbylovejoy and OJ murdered his ex wife and got a away with it and and Kevin Spacy tried diddling a boy and no one even pressed charges
@@pedrorodrigueziii4859 I didn’t quite believe it when people said he would convict himself but boy, he damn near talked himself into a prison sentence and that is impossible for civil cases. Such a narcissist.
@@pedrorodrigueziii4859 It was either that, or a fight between logic and ego. "Don't say yes, because that means you indirectly claim that you should have the right to touch women without their consent!" "But I *AM* a star!"
For me, the most jaw-dropping part was when he told the lawyer, umprompted, that she wasn't his type and he didn't find her attractive. That for me, even more than the confusing Carroll for his ex-wife, or the "unfortunately or fortunately," was the most telling part of his deposition. Just sheer disdain for women that ranking them solely by attractiveness and demeaning them comes as naturally to him as breathing.
Yeah I'm surprised more people aren't latching on to the "unfortunately or fortunately" bit - like he pretty much just said "powerful men have historically gotten away with sexually assaulting women - and maybe that's bad, maybe it isn't, who knows lol"
Like I know he's not very good at speaking in general, but... jesus
@@liamr6088 I get the impression that that whole section was evidence that he confuses lack of refusal to constitute consent.
"They just let you do it"
I think, "you're not my type" might be the most comforting thing a woman could hear from him.
He should have to register as a sexual predator. Because he clearly is, by his own admission.
@@steakknives Considering that sexual assault is more about power than sexual attraction, it's not _that_ comforting. That would be like telling someone, "don't worry; you're too poor to get mugged."
The fact that a former and possibly future president of the United States has to have the identities of jurors kept secret from him for fear of intimidation or reprisal seems like a big thing in itself
This right here. I was thinking the same thing when he mentioned that. Like how much evidence do we need for any/all of his crimes for him to go to jail (I know the answer).
Its crazy that this will be the history for future generations.
That's because his supporters are, almost to a person, absolutely immoral, and bent on destroying the country as long as it helps Trump.
The fact that Trump waddled through huge flaming corruption holes into our top office and stayed there for a full term was even bigger. Trump... a poster child for USAmerican corruption and value decay itself... got planted into the top office even though he ran as a pulsating oozing cancer growth as a candidate who became worse in the POTUS office. He proved that reality TV twisted the minds of too many USAmericans. In the near future, Mamma June and even Honey Boo-Boo might be POTUS at this rate.
Jurors have been attacked and even killed in the past when their names became known. And those, not in as high profile cases as this, but frequently involving violent common criminals.
So, their names remain sealed, lest our court systems fail due to a lack of responding jurors.
I'm pretty sure they're not scared of Trump and they're scared of the followers who would assault government buildings.
Yea, I think we've kinda glossed over that bit at the end, where a judge requested the jurors, for their own safety, to stay anonymous even though the trial has concluded. That speaks volumes about the nature of Trump and his cult.
Glossed over because I think most people's reaction when hearing that is _"Yeah...that makes sense."_
Yeah, for you, this show called "trial" is being arranged. Trump is being persecuted for political reasons, and you still blame him? You need a conscience to say - this aunt is lying, she has no evidence and she herself does not remember the date, she stole the story from the series, and Trump turned out to be innocently convicted.
That's something that often happens in trials involving terrorist organizations or the Mafia. So it makes perfect sense. given that Trump seems to think he's Don Vito Corleone. Even if he's actually Fredo.
That's fairly illogical. All the people named in the video haven't been attacked by Trump supporters in any way other than posdibly meaningless Twitter buzz.
There's no Mafia level hit man threat in this case at all and the case has ended and the results of the case cannot be undone only appeals can be made.
I feel this only makes Trump more popular and makes more people support him.
After seeing hundreds of Trump fans smash their way into a major government building and shout about killing the vice president, nobody can pretend a private citizen wouldn't be in danger.
I love how the other day on CNN Trump claimed he’s never met her, he has no idea who she is… and then immediately went into detail about where they met, the layout of the store and how she was supposedly “immediately attracted” to him.
He claims he’s stating her side of the story (which also he claims to know nothing of), but that’s a lot of self aggrandizing for somebody else’s story.
Like dude… way to dig your own grave.
Lmao, "I don't know her, I never met her!", "But here's her side of the story that I know very well!" - Trump
LOL! 😂🤣
What's worse, is the CNN town hall audience laughing, cheering, and applauding Trump bad mouthing her throughout.
@@stevengolden9009 disgusting leaders have a disgusting followers
@@stevengolden9009 👍like Trumpanzees throwing feces.
@@stevengolden9009 to their credit it was hilarious
"False statements with actual malice" is the best prediction about the 2024 election so far
Yep president Biden will win again
It’s basically guaranteed!
It's a pretty good summary of everything Trump says.
@@bipolarminddroppingsabout half. The other half is false statements with willful ignorance.
i love how rich people are "disengenious"
while poor people are simply just liars 🙄🙄🙄
"I didn't do it" is defense. "My accuser is crazy, a serial liar, and profiteering off their accusations against me" is defamation. All he had to do was keep his mouth shut.
I feel bad for all his lawyers. I remember that one time a certain lawyer of his was literally malding.
And he still can't keep quiet about it! Who else would be found libel for defamation and almost immediately go on national TV and repeat the same defamatory statements?
If you say you didn't do it,that's calling your accuser a liar.
What year did it happen is he defense..even now noone knows
@@computer_janitor no, because she's still allowed to disagree with the findings of the jury. Besides, the usage of the word 'rape' in common parlance tends to include all types of sexual assault, and they did find him liable for a lesser type.
-Claims E. Jean to be "ugly" and "not even his type"
-Mistakes her for one of his ex-wives
*_Hoo boy._*
I don't think anyone else had to testify. Trump's own deposition was Carroll's best witness.
You can hear his lawyer dying inside when he opens his mouth.
This is evidence alone that he is in cognitive decline.
@@iantrimbath6396he's not Biden bro
That's not evidence of anything
It’s not uncommon to mistake a person as someone else, especially if the picture was taken at an odd angle and if it’s blurry, according to the defendant.
Everyone's stuck on the argument of, "She wasn't my type," but it's really, "The woman that I literally mistook for my wife isn't my type." Yikes.
And she wouldn't even have been his wife in that picture because IVANA was standing right next to him!!
What got me was watching the deposition and seeing he was STILL saying she wasn’t his type after confusing her with Marla, meaning he hadn’t even realized what he had done.
No. Really, the actual thing we are stuck on is that "she wasn't my type" severely implies that you only rape women who are your type. That's the yikes.
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There's also the argument of, you know, I didn't do it. What argument are you supposed to make? I never met her. I didn't do it. Ummm? What else is there? Obviously Trump should've kept his mouth shut. But since he didn't, let think about this: do we really think that Trump RAPED a 60 year old woman in a department store changing room? 60 years old. A man surrounded by beautiful women (back then anyway). Obviously there's no reason to rape anyone. But why on earth would be he choose a 60 year old. And chances she would scream? It's such a huge con job.
I love that she could probably sue him again for the rants he made at the CNN rally
Reporters should just ask him about the case every day
There’d be a never ending stream of lawsuits
She should also sue CNN for platforming the defamation without challenge.
Yes
@@riparianlife97701 indeed. I'm not a lawyer but they appear to accomplices in her defamation.
Sure. After all, he's not going to shut up unless he gets punished every time he opens his moldering lie hole about it. Even then, if he ever shuts up, expect it to take a few lawsuits.
@@riparianlife97701 Would CNN be able to argue that Trump lies so frequently that viewers of CNN should already take his statements with a grain of salt? I'm not sure if that argument stands but it would make some sense to me.
I was seriously sexually assaulted twice, different assailants, (1990) & (1996) I didn’t scream the first time because I was too traumatised to do anything other than freeze, 2nd timeI didn’t scream, my children were in the house with me and you don’t want to put your babies in the line of fire. I reported the 2nd R word, it was completely brushed off, they didn’t do an R kit (UK) the bruises I showed them weren’t photographed and the police just said that my ex would say that I liked it rough. I completely understand why E. Jean Carroll would have left it until now to report. The absolute shit storm she is facing totally shuts me up. I’m so sorry.
I hope you had plenty of emotional support after both assaults...
@@eamonndeane587 Thank you, but no I didn’t even report the first one. I was living in a very extreme catholic country in the first instance. Birth control was not legal. Thankfully I was lucky and my virginity was the only thing I lost
@Tessa Clark You have my condolences.
@denisetheur5641 ...I'd never thought of it that way... thank you
Have you been to therapy?
The tone of the advertisement for your legal services was spot on. I was sexually assaulted when I was 15, and nothing was ever done because access to legal help was far out of my reach. Putting the offer out there at the start of the video is extremely important because it might give someone else the chance they need.
"I don't know who that woman is"
"That's your ex wife"
A real exchange that happened with someone who totally doesn't have dementia.
Or a narcissist who doesn't see women as individual people, just objects he can use however he wants
@@Sorcerers_Apprentice a true horror would be a narcissist with dementia.
He did ace the Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV Test.
What a maroon.
Trump wasn't using his reading glasses. Before he said anything take out the reading glasses.
@@dannydaw59 I actually had to look it up. He does need to wear reading glasses, but hates being seen wearing them.
I need reading glasses to see as well, seeing beats effectively being blind to close objects, so screw the beholder.
Mine being permanently fixed at +1.75 power, due to implant lenses that replaced my cataracts. Hell, even if he needed Mr Magoo's +2.50 and climbing glasses my wife needed, his aversion is decidedly odd - especially when giving a deposition!
I can't tell you how many times I had to explain to people that civil suits determine liability, criminal cases determine guilt. And Legal Eagle is why I know the difference!
You probably should have learned that before 8th grade.
He was liable for battery not sexual assault huge difference.
@@MegaLokopo
We all know what he did.
It was rape.
It was sexual assault.
It was battery.
The jury aired on the side of caution.
She told her friend he penetrated her within a short time after it happened.
She should know, and I believe her.
@@MegaLokopothat has no relevance to this comment. He's saying only criminal trials can be guilty or innocent. You can't be "guilty" in a civil suit.
@@mikea5923 Many schools do not teach such things.
"She's not my type"? As a defense for rape?
This is obscene!
He's saying he'd only rape a woman who IS his type. 😏
@One Quick Thing is a sign? It may be the definition.
Yeah, it is. Obscenity isn't a crime though, nor is it proof of a crime.
So he does rape women who are his type??
What a moronic statement.
@onequickthing8950except there wasn’t any solid proof that he did
The "you would have screamed" defense is absolutely shameful. Some defence lawyers really do have no soul
Tom Misereau who is a Christian, cruelly slut shamed the Cosby accusers. I cant make sense of it.
it's not wrong though...
@@B33t_R007 No. It is wrong, very wrong. Some people have a freeze response under shock and can't move at all. Google it. Not everyone freezes, but it's not rare at all. Fight, flight, freeze are three not two.
It's just as gross as what were you wearing
@@B33t_R007 yes it is
I love how not understanding the law is only a defense for the rich.
Don't forget cops! it's also a defense for cops
I mean, it works and we won’t think about updating any laws unless its like…repealing women’s reproductive rights and stuff like that … so yeah thats all they need. We shouldn’t have let industry run the country. We need separation if church and state and separation of state and industry. But good luck with that
@@marowakcity3727 "QUAILIFIED IMMUNITY!"
*pop pop pop*
it's just been revoked
And Supreme Court justices
@spacespector they're rich. Once they get confirmed they become corrupt and rich.
Trump: "I wasn't able to defend myself!"
He says after refusing to show up to defend himself lmao
No, it was, "I wasn't able to defend myself!", right after utterly refusing to defend himself at all.
But, it's an excellent example for law schools in times when mounting any attempt at defense would've resulted in significant harm to the client's interests.
What he really means is they wouldn’t let me lie to them.
Where did his business calendar say he was when the rape happened?
@@nigelhickman2274 between the legs of whoever didn't run fast enough that day
@@TheLumberjack1987 And why should he appear at the trial? This aunt can't even remember the date of the rape. She stole a story from the show. This is absurd!
He DID have a defense. “She’s not my type.” And then he confused her for Marla Maples in the photo. 😳
Shitshow doesn't even come close to describing that bronzed turd.
I'm sure that being married to TFG is something Marla truly regrets.
How come did they show the photo? We really don’t know how alike they both looked in that photo? But they sure showed what they wanted??
"The woman whom I confused with my ex-wife was too ugly for me to have raped" is not one of the great legal defences of all time.
@@NICOLASLAM-xy6mn it doesn't matter regardless as it hilariously proved that she, was in fact, his type seeing as he confused her with his wife.
“I didn’t rape her bc I never met her, she’s ugly, and she’s not my type” boy “I didn’t rape her bc that’s disgusting and I would never”. Implying that she would rape her if she was pretty and his type?
I'd say that's an entirely reasonable conclusion to draw from that statement.
@@nikoteardrop4904 no
lol, so your implication is any woman who is attractive is able to be raped... that pretty sick kid
💯
Trump sees other ppl as things. So yes.
It would be difficult to argue that she's not his type if she looks enough like his ex-wife for him to confuse her for his ex-wife in a photo.
Well you could argue that she's his ex-wife because she turned out to not be his "type", and that since Carroll looks like her to him she's not his "type" either.
@@taylorlibby7642 clever, but we're they on the outs at that point, Donald and Marla?
@@nosuchthing8 Dunno. Just using my lawyer brain to think up possible arguments on the fly.
@@nosuchthing8 Personally, I think arguing that you wouldn't assault someone because they're not your type seems pretty weak to me.
@@taylorlibby7642 Not the type relates more to love than lust, right? More to chemistry of cohabitation.
When he failed the "she's not my type" by identifying her as his ex wife... The yikes there was stitched into the fabric of the universe.
“She’s not my type” isn’t a defense. Who knew?
"I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky" is also a defense.
@@steveouk90126 Defense of what, genius? Please, by all means, share the law(s) broken by having a consensual extramarital affair.
@@steveouk90126 Cope.
@@steveouk90126 Consensual sex is not a crime.
It's right up there with "i couldn't have shot her, i left my gun in my car".
Unfortunately or fortunately. When talking about how stars can get away with sexual assault he really said that. I'm amazed at how awful he is at even pretending to be a good person.
And then he went on CNN and joked about sexual assault, and the crowd laughed like sexual assault was the funniest thing they'd ever heard. When someone shows you who they are, believe them.
It was his followers in the audience and this shows what kind of people they are. They find rape funny.
@Nick well even a jury of NY liberals said there was no rape. Carroll is a lunatic, no mention of her story being a carbon copy of an SVU episode years earlier
The story is funny if you believe he is victim. No evidence to dispute he is a victim of a lie. $5million lie.
@@Nick-Nasti not funny when it's done to them
@@xavierb9061 .....no evidence? A jury decided otherwise.
This wasn't a "he said, she said" incident. Like with Bill Cosby, it was a "he said, she said, then she said, then she said, then she said, then she said" story
He was presumed not liable entering into this case. So there had to be enough evidence to convince that jury, otherwise he wouldn't have lost.
"She's not my type" Oh, so the sexual assault isn't the issue, the problem is she's just not the type of woman you would do that too. That says it all
That's what I was thinking!
Disgusting.
... and, AFTER saying "she's not my type", he confused her with Melania!
That isn't what he meant. Maybe. Besides sexual assault is usually a crime of impulse and opportunity.
@@ExUSSailor I think he confused her with his 2nd wife - Marla
"she didn't scream" Contrary to what horror movies might have told you, not every female screams when terrified or in pain. I gave birth twice and didn't raise my voice, never mind screaming. I didn't scream when I stepped on a live coal when I was a kid, either.
When I broke my wrist I didn't even groan
@@skeletonbuyingpealts7134 Same, completely fractured my wrist and only grunted in pain because I also landed on my face. Didn’t even realize it was broken until about 30 seconds later when the pain started kicking in, then I just wanted to lay down and die not scream
@@skeletonbuyingpealts7134 Yeah, most of my response to pain as an adult is a lot of profanity.
@@jacobfox7274 That's right. Sometimes you're shocked when something unfortunate happens to your body. I slipped while riding my bike in the rain and completely flipped over over the front handlebars, one of which snapped my collarbone in half. I then got up and rode home 30 minutes on my bike, not realizing that my collarbone was broken until I tried to raise my arm and it didn't respond normally. Then I reached up and touched my collarbone and thought, "There seems to be two bones here where there was only one before."
I mean she literally said in an interview with Anderson Cooper that rape is sexy and thrilling and then started hitting on AC. Yeah, that sounds like someone who is traumatized.
his response to the access hollywood tape in court made my skin crawl. It was like silence of the lambs meets Ronald Mcdonald
I've never heard a more accurate characterisation of him!
I love that I've heard so little from Trump in the last few years that Trumps narcissism and complete lack of self-awareness is once again shocking. As it should be.
Exactly what you just said. That feeling of revulsion watching it speak around 7:00 was too real.
Would you like to issue a retraction now in 2024? Lol
Trump goes down as the president with the most indictments
Like or not he's going down on history as the president who when against the globalist take over . Fighting proven criminals in power
And no new wars while he was president
@@insertlastname except for a violent attempted coup on democracy. And all the mass shootings he inspired (like El Paso).
@@insertlastname why would he need to commit crimes in other countries when he's already spent on doing that in his own
@@insertlastname So what?
Judge:what's you're defense Trump??
Trump:she's ugly
Judge:🤦🤦
Defense? How do you defend against a fake statement?
Shown a photo of his accuser
Trump: "That's my ex wife " 😂😂😂😂
"Famous people do these things"
"Do you consider yourself famous?"
"You could say that I am"
@@asheronwindspear552 infamous is more accurate.
And here I was, thinking that Trump couldn't disgust me even more. Silly me.
There doesn't seem to be a bottom, and just when we think there is, someone produces a shovel.
For trump and his supporters this is simply free advertising for him and reinforces in his supporters everything they believe about the trump and the system.
@@deanjustdean7818 😂
@@deanjustdean7818 would you feel better if he started to smell kids hair?
@@highlandsprings5752 Smelling a childs hairs a bit different than rape. Good to know you're okay with rapists!
What the plaintiffs lawyers missed presenting to the jury was Trump's 2005 interview with Howard Stern he boasted that because he had the rights to the Miss Teen USA pageant he would purposely walk into the dressing room while the contestants were in various stages of undressing, including some who were nude.
And that is the old man pervert who somehow people voted for to become president...
not only that but there's multiple Teen USA contestants that can confirm that was true.
Some who were nude were as young as 14.
I think during the interview with Howard Stern, he was talking about Miss Universe and Miss USA where they are at least 18 (and it's still very wrong), but multiple Teen USA contestants confirmed that he did the same thing at Miss Teen USA.
Yes, he's a disgusting pig, but none of that proves this specific incident happened or not. I don't understand this case, nor do I understand the reaction of the public. This was a trial that judged on nothing but character. That isn't how justice is supposed to work.
I didn’t know that screaming could make or break a case.
I’m screaming from now on, any time I am being treated unfairly. Getting a ticket, being told I’m in the wrong seat. A divorce case, if this will help me win I’ll do it.
...his argument that he didn't know who she was is bologna on multiple levels... But, primarily... You don't need to know someone in order to rape or sexually assault them.
Getting accused without evidence is bologna but yeah
“She’s not my type” but also confuses her with ex-wife.
To be fair, his type is really more his daughter
What is the evidence this rape happen?
@@Homelander___ Spamming the same reply on comments on video that is a year old lmao gtfo
@@everynlightbringer I noticed you couldn't answer the question.
@@Homelander___ I noticed Trump lost the case.
Many women can tell you that "you're ugly" and "you're not my type" are often the responses you get after turning down a man anyway. So that just solidified the case in my mind.
Add in that rape is motivated by power, control and dominance, and not based on subjective beauty standards.
@@jenna2720 Yup. It’s actually easier to get away with assaulting „ugly“ people. Who would ever believe them? It’s messed up to the extreme…
And I'd be "Just as well, I was going to suggest you come back and discuss this in another 30 years or so".
It's very unfortunate but sometimes it's just based on your location whether or not you can actually report r*pe. This happened to me in my senior year of high school. Even if I went to the police right after I doubt anything would've happened. But even after me coming to terms with what had happened to me and actually talking to somebody, the school counselor asked me if that's really what had happened or if I was just blowing things out of proportion. I had never met that lady before and this of course just made me super upset. It's hard because I know that that would've been her same reaction if I went to her right after it happened. The dude didn't even go to our school, she didn't know him so it wasn't like she was protecting someone. She just accused me of wearing inappropriate clothing. It was winter and I had a skinny jeans on and a long t-shirt but honestly that doesn't matter to people. They just want to give excuses for the other party.
Everything you said is 100% accurate. That awful school counselor was victim blaming and I am so glad that you saw right through her BS. You didn’t do anything to “deserve” that violence and no magical number of steps exist to prevent it. There is just one person who has to do just one thing to prevent sexual assault-the perpetrator just has to _not_ commit sexual assault. It’s their fault and their responsibility, exclusively.
The US justice system is profoundly broken-especially when it comes to prosecuting, investigating, and convicting sex crimes. Only 20-30% of sexual assault victims ever report the event to the police. You’re absolutely not required to subject yourself to that process. Whether or not “anything would’ve happened,” you have every right to refrain from that stress and potential trauma. And if you ever change your mind and/or need the police in the future, you have every right to go to them.
You sound like a self-aware and self-confident badass. And I am truly sorry that you were ever subjected to that kind of ugliness.
I'm surprised that the lawyer, who illegally coached Trump during his video deposition, wasn't slapped with disciplinary action.
Really? You think you know anything? You only know it was overreach because he said so in the video. This kind of shit happens all the time. Depositions can last for hours upon hours, and have a break in them. They are exhausting. Learn something.
@@viator1987 - Okay... I'm a person who knows something and, yes, coaching your client during a deposition is absolutely sanctionable. The deponent’s representation may object on form, privilege, or relevancy. However -- with some very VERY narrow exceptions -- that lawyer may not instruct their client not to answer and under no circumstance may the lawyer supply their own answers or coach their client on how to answer a question during the deposition itself.
Now, if it happens a couple times, usually the deposing lawyer will usually let it slide. However, if it becomes a habit, I have seen depositions stopped and the presiding judge immediately called there and then.
@@viator1987 lol @ trying to call out a lawyer.
@@ShinmaWa1 lol the guy who armchair reddit argues with brilliant conjecture like "learn something" decides to come at the person who actually did learn the something. What a f*ckwit.
@@viator1987 Someone who names themselves after a terrorist organization has little right to complain about anything.
Whenever anyone asks "why don't women come forward at the time?" in one of these situations, it's a self-answering question--look at what happens when they DO come forward after, especially with a powerful public figure! They get publicly humiliated, insulted, defamed, called liars, receive death and rape threats, their lives put on trial in court! If this happens in 2023, how much worse would it have been in 1990? Look what the repulsive Tacopina asked her: did you scream? Why didn't you scream? If you did scream, how loud did you scream? Why didn't anyone hear you?" "Why did you joke with him about lingerie?" These are all indirect ways of saying, "You were asking for it, weren't you? You enjoyed it."
"If you look over the last million years..." Like a toddler getting caught destroying a package of oreos. "If you look over the last million years, securing food is always a great thing."
Lots of things wrong with that statement. A million ago, there weren't celebrities ("stars").
And then ending with "Fortunately or unfortunately." WHAT? If someone isn't clear on whether sexual assault is a fortunate or unfortunate thing....
Well, I'm sure that response caught the attention of most of the jurors.
Must have been the groundbreaking legal precedent set in Rogh v. Ogg, 694,371 BCE.
He was just being petulant. "Well, if you look at _all of recorded history_ you silly billy, we've *always* assaulted those we have perceived power over." It's a bold and groundbreaking legal defence, "So what, everyone else was doing it!", looks like it somehow didn't pan out for him this time.
Can't wait to see how he goes with a criminal courtroom, hopefully with a judge who won't put up with that kind of embarrasing behaviour.
When he said, "if you look back a million years ago," I said, "aren't you like the former leader of the Christian Nationals? The world is only a few thousand years old according to YOU."
@@cheezykrafts8134 he is less christian than I am an First Nation. He doesn’t even know how the 2nd Corinthians isn’t the 2 Corinthians, just utter drivel from a man who has never believed in anything except his own right to do whatever he wants.
I love how he misidentified a picture of Ms. Carroll as his ex, Marla Maples. Although Ms. Carroll wasn’t his “type.”
Did you look at the picture? Like holy crap. You people are so damn weird. I feel bad for you Democrats. The amount of bias you have to look at the world is just tiring.
A 70 year old man mistook somebody in a 30 year old pic. Obviously guilty
@@mike-ws3jl Are you implying that there is a shred of doubt as to whether or not he is guilty? His lying about how Ms. Carrol isn't his type is just highlighting his character.
@@mike-ws3jl the guy who you talk about was a president and wants to run again, "he doesn't remember his wife" is not a good look in any case
@@cyjanek7818 you can have your doubts on him in politics, but his political aspirations shouldn't have any impact on his guilt.
The perfect Republican front runner for the party of family values.
Trump/Santos 2024!
More true than you realize. All Republicans approve of raping people. The goal of all conservatives is to maximize the suffering in the world, so they are for anything that increases suffering.
@@mathewfinch brain worms. Look up rape statistics and then think about what party they vote for.
family values AND law & order!
And religious values
The fact that he said “she’s not my type” is absolutely disgusting. If someone was accused of sexually assaulting your sister or daughter and they said that, you would punch them in the face and rightfully so. It’s incredible how a third of the country will excuse Trump for doing things that would get a normal person assaulted.
I wouldn't "punch him in the face" specially if my sister kept liking the guy and his show after the whole "unproven rape". Stop using emotions to argue reality, you j
ust sound dumb
What is funny about that though is that he identified her in a photo as Marla Maples, while in the same photo he was standing next to Ivana.
@@amandamandamands would she have filed this report had it not been against the superstar of a show she loved even after the whole abuse happened, especially if this other person was as broke as your average citizen? if your answer is yes, i would like to sell you a bridge. Him saying he doesn't know her and then not recognizing her only tells me one thing: he sucks at identifying people like your average narcissist. Congrats, you figured out something everyone knew
It's like Trump wants people to think rape is about sex, and not about power.
I always think to "she's not my type" yeah, your daughter is right?
Did he say 'unfortunately or fortunately' to his claim that celebrities have been grabbing women inappropriately for millions of years?
Yeah, to say that celebrities grope women all the time, and they claim to be a celeb is about as close to admission of guilt as possible. And he did actually say fortunately, which just adds that extra bit of disgust to it.
I like the question just after that. "And you consider yourself a star?" You get to see how that hurt his ego.
I was looking to see if anyone commented about that line. Absolutely disgusting. It’s that exact mentality that had kept women in a state of property for most of human civilization (at least in the West). It’s a childlike entitlement mixed with minimizing excusemaking to not ever see yourself as the “bad guy.”
@@manicdan481 u dont think people with power havent been abusing other people forever?
@@greatvalue1337 Yes and that Trump identified clearly that he was one of them
For me, the assault occurred the second Saturday in February in 1982, I told nobody, I mean nobody until October 2019. I was in the Army, and even all those years later, the VA recognized my service connected disability resulting from the trauma, for which I am grateful. Can't get all those years back, though. But even now, I believe that nondisclosure was the best thing I could have done. It would have been so much worse.
I’m so sorry. I’m sure you’re extremely strong and resilient, but I’m just sorry that you had to be
I am also sorry and you are probably correct it would have been worse if you had said anything just like with Jean.
Unfortunately not saying anything seems just as bad. Glad you are getting help now and can talk about it. Secrets eat us up.
It is good to hear the Army is now taking assault seriously. Assault lasts a lifetime.
How did you ger the VA to listen to you? In my experience they're not the most responsive to their customers.
@@taylorlibby7642 it went very smoothly. I had help from my county VSO, and I requested representation from the DAV.
Welp, this just continues the very real fact that there are two legal systems in this country: one for the rich and one for the not rich.
And both heavily involve excusing those in the wrong.
CLARIFICATION: the part about the legal system for the poor excusing those in the wrong (meaning justice is never served) is explained by the comment by ronson53 immediately below, despite them understandably misinterpreting what I meant. I could've been clearer, but I wanted to keep it punchy. Ah well, that's out the window and a mile down the street. I figured its meaning could easily be deduced, but, alas! I was wrong. Ain't the first time.
@@None-Trick_Pony um not really maybe you should look at the number of false conviction confessions and the number of plea deals simply because the possibility of losing. Yes there are criminals that get away with stuff, but there are a non zero number of innocent people in prison as well.
True fact, but what does that have to do with this specific case?
This was a civil case, even a poor & black person would not have gone to prison in this case.
Not really. There's one for the rich, true. But there's also one for the rich they don't like, or care to have prosecuted.
@@None-Trick_Pony No, just that first one.
14:40 - I know very little about the law, but when Trump's lawyer chimed in like that, I had wondered if that was allowed or not. I've seen lawyers interrupt their clients to get them to stop talking, but an open prompt like that... thank you for confirming.
I think that Harvey Wienstein and Bill Cosby have a lot in common with Trump.
All three of them felt like they had the power and sway to get away with blatant sexual assaults.
His deposition sounds like to me that he doesn't feel like a "star" should be punished for their actions.
"It's been like this for millions of years."
-the former guy
Unfortunately, those guys come from a generation that frequently got away w it. Demanding sex for favors was a very real thing in the 70's. Not as much today, except from neanderthals.
"Your Honor, as a professional hitman for the Italian Mafia, my client knows to put two in the head. Therefore the victim being shot only once is evidence of my client's innocence" - Saul Goodman, probably
😂
He admitted to the rape up front in that propaganda CNN town hall, and of course he then blamed her. This is absolutely awful and this nasty creature, if there actually was justice in this country, would spend the rest of his miserable life in jail.
I watched the town hall as well and Trump definitely didn't admit to rape. It's worth noting that not even the jury in this case thinks Trump raped Caroll, just that he's liable for sexual abuse etc. I think it's interesting to discuss the context surrounding the trial, as well as what the verdict means for the public at large, but that's probably outside the scope of this channel's discourse.
He didn't admit to anything. He was recounting her accusation
@@superregera799 He described the incident, yes he did.
@@MrGgabber With all these interesting details, yes he did, he raped her and described the incident. He had raped enumerable women and girls.
@@jessicatymczak5852 I would urge you to rewatch it before spreading any further misinformation. It's ok to hate on the guy, but not to lie about him. He did not admit to rape.
I believe him when he says he doesn't know her. I bet it's very hard to remember so many victims.
Especially if he evidently doesn't really consider women to be people.
No, I believe he "DID NOT... HAVE... SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMAN." Sound familiar? Bill Clinton, an actual rapist is fine with you.
the only evidence that he knew her is a picture taken at an event where people lined up to have their picture taken.
not great evidence.
And that she actually have no evidence. No time, date or even year. She knew she would have lost if anything was specified.
Aaaaand he has since defamed her AGAIN on live TV.
I basically rely on your channel for legitimate information these days. I’m not sure if that’s sad or awesome, but I appreciate the work you do
And honestly, it’s true. I’ve never been raped thankfully, but I have been stalked and assaulted by a coworker in the freezer of the casino where I used to work in the bakery. And I couldn’t tell anyone because it was his seniority word against mine. I would’ve likely either been reprimanded or lost my job. That’s just the sad world we live in. It’s no surprise women don’t feel like they can come forward because when they do, they just get punished for it. After I left, I was informed by another coworker that he actually tried to track down where I lived. Men who get away with this stuff feel like they can get away with anything, and since I had no physical proof of any of this, I couldn’t go to the police about anything. It makes you feel so scared and desperate. Like, what CAN you even do? Often times, nothing.
Experts with degrees are worth far more than failed toolbags screaming their opinions from embarrassing mancaves.
Meidas Touch does great work, especially Ben Meiselas (who is also a lawyer)
Never been raped, yet*
@@elkosins1686Yup, that’s the critical-and depressing-distinction. 😒
@@BubblewrapHighwayI mean, you can have your opinion, sir. Have a nice day.
"She's not my type" makes him sound like a seiral killer that has some sort of victim profile that he goes after. Also calling cops for some neibourhood kids doing something to your property is NOT the same as going to police with a traumatic event story involving a person in power.
isn't it funny how the behavior of alleged rape/sexual assault victims is allways excused with things like "if you're not a survivor you cant understand" but when a victim of a false allegation makes statements the same does not apply?
tell me, how many times did you get accused of sexual assault or rape?
I didn't scream. I sobbed, I shivered, I made noises, but they were mostly squeaky. I couldn't manage to get words out, let alone a scream.
Men think they there would always be screaming, but you don't know.... you don't know what your OWN reaction will be until it happens. We want to think we should scream and kick and fight with our last breath... and maybe some people do. But a lot of us don't and it isn't abnormal, at all. Every victim experiences a unique trauma response. No experience is EXACTLY the same.
Rape is one of the few things that makes my blood boil.
Anyone who does it instantly becomes sub-human in my eyes. Anyone who can do that isn't a person like the rest of us and should be treated like a dangerous animal.
Screaming is just one of many shock responces. And it's one that can be stopped with something like putting a hand over their mouth. 'I didn't hear screaming' means nothing
"Unfortunately or fortunately..."
Sir, when is it fortunate for a woman that a random "star" walks up to them and sexually assaults them?
Fortunate for the star. He considers himself one.
When they publish a book and make millions.
@@Parthornax Ah yeah, that totally undoes the trauma of being sexually assaulted.
Pull your head out of your ass.
Thank you for covering this. I was interested in the case but it’s such triggering subject matter I was waiting for a reliable analysis from a thoughtful non-sensational source. You’re the best!
What I haven't heard ppl discuss is how it's likely he misidentified Carroll for Marla Maples because he was cheating on Ivana, also in the picture, with Marla around that same time. What a class act.
What time was that? J. Carroll doesn't even know. But it is alleged that it was in the mid 90's, he had divorced Ivana in 1990 and married to Marla in 1993. What is most likely though is Trump misidentified the photo because he is losing his vision, like most people born in the 40's whom now wear _glasses._
@@changeminds2736 The photo is from 1989 which happens to be the year Ivana caught Donald and Marla sleeping together (over Christmas). So @Grace was correct that the picture was taken before the assault (in the 90's so clearly after 1989), while he was married to Ivana, and was sleeping with Marla.
Did anyone else pick up on this: imagine you were in the jury and the judge warned you that the defendant has a history of threatening people in the jury. How much of a f-you response is that going to trigger when you decide penalties?
The Trump deposition is so crazy it’s almost unreal. He’s so smug and confident he can’t see the plaintiff’s attorney is walking him down.
That "DUH" look on his face when she asked if he was a star after he claimed that sexual assault was what stars do was hysterical. Master of unintentional comedy, that one.
Damn, what the hell did he say? You seem to be not stupid, are you okay with sanity? Do you believe your aunt, who does not remember the date of the "rape" and completely stole this story from an episode of the series that came out before her testimony? It's all so obvious, but you're so blind...
Chump is a megalomaniacal, wealthy narcissist. That makes him unstoppable in today's society. He's basically invincible in every possible way simply because no one has fired an RPG into his crotch. But he deserves to be incinerated in the same way every OTHER heinous criminal on the planet needs to experience a Reckoning.
@@nobodysmith8580 and adding "or fortunately" to the end of his statement about stars getting away with it. It's almost like he was saying it's unfortunate when other people do it, but fortunate when I do it.
Could he get sued again by E Jean Carroll with his disgusting town hall performance on the court case results?
Yes
First he's liable for defamation for denying his accusations. Now he's liable for using her own words .word her own account to the people to discredit her he can sued for defamation using own words. Are you sure calling his supporters fascist wanna be in authoritarian State. Isn't just projection
@@osmosisjones4912 the copium is unreal with this one. Bro this is the same guy who tried to get his followers to overthrow the government just because he didnt win, claiming untrue election fraud (when he himself called the senator of Georgia to try and give him a few thousand votes out of think air)? Thats borderline treason, not the mention the endless frivolous lawsuits he and his d riders tried to pull, with ZERO evidence. Most of the evidence pulled on him didnt even come from the Democrats, just his OWN team.
There is already a second lawsuit
@@osmosisjones4912 by reading your comment I may have lost your point. You're saying that by his own words he admitted to sexually assaulting women, either he's telling the truth or he's lying about sexually assaulting women so take your pick. Some of these women said "yeah he sexually assaulted me" just not exactly like he said but in fact worse than he bragged about.
So did Bill Cosby rape numerous women over decades or were they "just making that up" too. Or are women only raped by people lurking in alleys?
I don't get your point.
"why didn't you scream?". Do people not understand the concept of shock? People freeze all the time in dangerous or traumatic situations.
I've recently heard this from people I had respected.
Well said!
They know. The attorneys *know* this. Never give them the benefit of apparently not knowing this. It's pure malice, simply an attempt to discredit the witness with a blatant lie. How attorneys can say this and not be immediately sanctioned is beyond me.
7:05 amazing! He opens his mouth but stops, realizing the implications of saying yes, but his ego couldn't let him deny being a big important celebrity!
Hey Devin, given Trumps testimony that he had no recollection of her, is he open to a perjury charge given how much he 'remembered' about her in the CNN town hall? It seems like the two versions are in some way contradictory at the very least
No.
Probably not, mainly because memory is fickle, but definitely yea for another defamation suit.
Nothing he said is remembered..he told her recount of situation and things his lawyer discovered like dogs name
He didn't say he remembered anything
No, because he wasn't under oath in the CNN town hall so there's no punishment for lying. As long as he keeps mostly to that story while actually under oath, it's unlikely he'd be hit with a perjury charge. Judges and prosecutors hate levying perjury charges anyways, they're really annoying to prove.
As a lawyer from another country listening to this was interesting.
We don't have juries or depositions like in the USA.
Normally in a civil trial (assuming a plaintiff led the necessary evidence to sustain a case), if a defendant fails to lead any evidence (to rebut the plaintiff's version) then the plaintiffs version is accepted.
You also, when cross examining, cannot put a version to a witness if you don't call a witness who puts that version forward.
If you do then the judge simply ignores any version you put forth in cross examination
What country, Kevin?
@@ajae... South Africa 🇿🇦
"She's not my type" is not a defense, it actually suggests there is a type you would assault.
“Because of the threats Trump and his supporters have made towards juries in the past”
What a terrible thing to do.
😳
he's pretty well known for using courts agressively, but somewhat less known for setting his dogs on people, i guess.
who's that rich bastard in the simpsons? well, trumps kinda like him except that he lacks that guy's charm, intelligence & humanity.
Trump really doesn't understand how law works, does he?
Not just Trump, but many members of Congress don't. How absurd is it that the head of the House Judiciary Committee, Rep. Jim Jordan, Republican, Ohio, isn't a lawyer?
He believes he’s above them anyway
@@SynthMusicWorld yup. That’s why he’s being admonished by actual attorneys over his actions. His little justice committee has zero jurisdiction anywhere and yet he had the audacity to demand they turn over documents lol. Sit down Jim.
Or government, apparently. He is a profoundly and willfully ignorant man.
Because He has gotten away with breaking the law his entire life. It wasn't until everyone shined a spotlight on his life that it all started coming out
her reasoning for not reporting it at first is heartbreaking and i understand it far too well
Hard to have a defense against someone you "Never met" 🙄 Unfortunately in his mind he was "allowed" to behave a certain way. "Fortunately, when you're a star they let you". She and others were devastated but for him it never registers so it doesn't remain worthy of thinking. I would imagine the same holds for all those girls he assaulted in Miss America dressing rooms, bet he "can't remember" their faces either.
He has a very convenient memory anyway, as he has frequently demonstrated.
@@meh8982 your first instruction by your attorney during deposition or before testifying, "I don't remember" is preferred over remembering some things or trying to relate foggy memories.
Lawyers must love it when their clients helps them snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
"If it was SA why didn't you scream?"
This disgusting sludge should be career ending.
It would be if his followers were good people. They aren't and they don't care.
@@LimeyLassen I mean the lawyer who presented that argument, but also yes.
E Jean Carroll was a genial television star on a network that predated MSNBC who was such a nice person that I was not surprised she prevailed. She oozes sincerity and authenticity which was hard for Trump to defend against.
I attended a good portion of the trial as a private citizen. Very credible witnesses were definitely key to success.
Very credible witnesses that could not advance a date (or substantiate with any actual evidence) that the event took place???
*Hahahaha what a joke you are if you really believe that.* I hope someone doesn't make up a story about you one day and get two other people with made up accounts also unproven to convict you. They also need to make up a law which changes the statute of limitations for just one year and one year only. The scariest political persecution in the history of the USA. *Usually survivors of SA joke about having **-sex-** with their attackers, that is the exemption that proves the rule right there. **_Deeerrrrp_*
@@nigelhickman2274 Carroll’s friend did supply the date that Carroll told her it happened. I think that Trump’s own comments supplied the preponderance of evidence needed to hold him liable for sexual assault. He has said he assaults women, and when you’re a star they “let you do it”. Several women have testified that he did just that. They didn’t “let” him do it through consent but because of fear of retaliation , which is why powerful men think that they can, and so often do, get away with it.
@@nigelhickman2274 cry more
@@nigelhickman2274 What were you doing on October 10th, 1996? Do you have proof of that?
the fact that she made jokes about him after the fact is NOT an inconsistency and is something that happens ALL THE TIME w victims of assault. i remained “friends” with the man who assaulted for months after it happened because i was gaslit into believing nothing bad happened to me. i am disgusted by these lawyers. they know NOTHING about abuse.
im sorry that happened to you
Thank you for confirming it was in appropriate for his lawyer to intervene on his misidentifying E. Jean Carroll.
I was amazed that Habba was so unprofessional and unethical as to jump in like that during a deposition. After learning more about her, I'm no longer surprised.
Was it legal for him to go on the news claiming the same things that got him the charge in the first place? He went on live and said he doesn't even remember her and then recited a bunch of things he remembers about her. Lol. And his people just ate it up.
They are considering doing him again for these fresh offenses.
@@macmcleod1188 what a moron. It would be like getting off with a warning for attacking someone and then attacking a random reporter outside of the courthouse. Lol. I hope this guy Pokemon Goes to Prison.
She may already be preparing to sue him again after the town hall incident. When asked she said it's on the table.
Wait so I can accuse someone 26 years later of something with no evidence and get payed 5 million?
Sign me up
I found this really helpful in explaining what could happen in a sexual assault case. Just because looking for examples yourself usually gives advice on what to do if you are the alleged perpetrator, not if you are the victim or witness. Wish there was a series somewhere either detailing modern cases or even letting people know what happens from initial report to sentencing.
yeah i'm sure there are some rescources out theree detailing how to put it together... but i can't link any :s
hope the eagle sees you post & thinks 'i can do that' i get the impression he might be able to do it well
And now Carroll has more fuel for either her ongoing defamation case, or for filing a new case, with Trump's recent CNN town hall and his Truth Social posts about her.
And now, thanks to Jean E Carroll's tweets about how she persuaded the NY state legislature to enact the Adult Survivor's Act, this legal outcome can be challenged as an illegitimate 'bill of attainder'
The ad for your legal team was really well handled I think. Understandable that you still need to advertise but kept the tone and respect that fits the video's context.
What struck me was that so many women said they didn't report the assault or rape because they were fearful of their career.
And that such a horrific culture norm was accepted .....
And he don't even know who the lady was? If true, it is probably because he did similar disgusting things to too many young ladies
And the jury .... sigh
Jury deliberating for only 3 hours probably means they had one vote after a brief conversation after all the normal formal stuff a jury does. 3 hours is incredibly short.
It baffles me that a man who has stated on tape, that he frequently grabs women by the genitals because if you're famous you can get away with it, even has the balls to try and defend himself.
Ah yes, because past statements make you guilty of crimes in the future. It's uninformed comments like these that make me wonder to what degree this civil case was decided by Trump's past public remarks that don't relate to Caroll's story at all. If it were the case, it would be extremely sad for our justice system. But really, is it even possible for Trump to get a completely unbiased trial? I think everyone either hates or loves him at this point lol. So maybe that's unavoidable.
Stupid comment he said let
He made no effort to defend himself, because he had no defense. He's just going to try to get the whole thing overturned, because that's his M.O.
@@meh8982 But suppose he was innocent, how could he have defended himself? What can you say in such a case other than just denying it?
@@jbird4478 but how can he be innocent of saying those things it's all there in the online posts. He clearly said the words.
😢 *He will continue to attempt to get out of paying or taking responsibility, just like he always has. * 😢
He's the one accused and he's liable for defamation for denying it. Then now your saying he's liable for more defamation for using own words of what she's said happened Democracy is the greatest threat to justice and fairness democracy .
@@smartass0124so your rambling was too incoherent for me to parse reliably, but did you just say that democracy is the greatest threat to justice? The founding principle of this country? Because if so, wow.
@@smartass0124
@@Deathstorm501The American far right has given up on democracy.
@@smartass0124 found the corpor buy out
The jurors decision on this case makes zero sense. Zero
I don't understand how a crime like sexual assault isn't heard in a criminal court. Why is it just a fine and not jail time?
Timing. The statute of limitations was up on the criminal charge. If she had tried this in the 90's he could have been facing jail time, but he also could have had his mafia goons murder her and throw her in the river.
Because criminal charges require proof, not sob stories. "HER TRUTH" is not admissable in a criminal trial.
@@JC-fj7oo thx for the clarification
@@tomservo75wrong
@@tomservo75 the real sob story is your mom didn't swallow
to call George Conway the "better" half of Kellyanne Conway is a bit inaccurate. He is the only good half.
Terrible taste in women, though.
Maybe “less bad” half?
@@ichijofestival2576 True - it does seem though, that Kelly Anne is more an opportunist and career chameleon than anything else. Once she made that choice she had to go all-in.
Is a good half "better" than a bad half?
The least worst half maybe?
I appreciate how Rule 404 mirrors Error 404
Error 404: page not found
Rule 404: action not found