Something similar that has helped me are the drills that Jay Kidwell talks about in his Instinctive Archery Insights book. The drill to acquire the target, don't shoot, get off target, then get back on in random order has helped me tremendously with this. That book would be a great pt 2 for this video for anyone interested in this topic. Great video Jason, thanks!
Great additional info. I believe John Tucker has that book. Might see if he can bring it down here when he comes to hunt hogs late summer. Maybe I will revisit this with some of that book extra insitw
Every style of shooting gives me target panic/anxiety. I’ve been trying for a week now to draw right to anchor, hold (even for a one-one thousand count), then release. No dice lol. The ability of your brain to block you from making a simple move like anchoring corner to mouth is unreal. And I agree with some other comments on here. If I draw and point at an object I DONT want to shoot (e.g. a wall), I have zero issues. Draw, anchor, hold, no problemo. As soon as I’m drawing “for real” on a target, in lock up short of anchor and it takes all my energy to draw back that extra inch or so to anchor.
Yep. This is why I refuse to shoot dynamic. I fought target panic with a dynamic style for 3 straight years alwasy resulting in a short draw. only way I broke it was to draw at the ground in front of the target and get to full draw. then rise up and lock on target to shoot. Target panic is brutal. But for me it will not let me be a dynamic shooter.
Great video!! I like how your bow arm is down, then you draw up to the target. I seem to have my bow arm straight out above the target to get my sight picture then draw to my anchor and settle in. By this point I seem to get my alignment in check and my gaps at different yardages as I shoot split vision. I really focus on my spot but I can see my point on the arrow sitting somewhere on the target. I'm amazed how archers have their own shot sequence!!!
I like your comment at the end: nothing beats a dynamic shot but the dynamic shot always beats me. I think dynamic shooting style needs various different approaches to manage target panic, different things work for different people. A lot of dynamic instinctive shooters need to probably practice on moving targets, stump shoot, blank bail for form etc, I believe this can be the most accurate way to shoot but it is scientifically very difficult to manage pre ignition shot movements/target panic with this style. Target panic is not completely mental, it is physical manifestations of anxiety that come out in odd ways during the shot because it’s your bodies way of bracing itself before releasing the arrow. You essentially need to trick your mind and keep it guessing or your perfectly crisp magical shot will all the sudden disappear and be gone forever…unless you practice smart, do drills and manage the mental side of it. I do not think this style of shooting can ever work the best at target style of shooting like on a line at Vegas or something. It’s meant for wing shooting or hunting, acquire target, body goes on auto pilot, focus on what you want to hit and your subconscious does the rest. Jeff kavanaugh has the best descriptions of this style and has excellent material on you tube. If you watch how he practices you could get some good ideas to mix up practice and keep the panic away.
I will always amaze myself how I can be shooting lights out to all over the place the next day. I have to beat down target panic like Ricky Bobby and the cougar in Talladega Nights. Up and down but always climbing up 📈
Hi Jason, why don´t you use a clicker and how do you get away without using one? I don´t use one and don´t want to use one but a lot of people recommends them so I wanted to know how you know when to shoot
find an anchor you can repeat over and over again. This is what works for me as in 2000's 14--15 onward I had a 45--55 pound at 29 inches all fiberglass 62 inch (Super Jet?) bow where bow was only having arrows of any weight flying well if you had a 27 inch draw so I was drawing bow to 26 inches at back jaw and was inconsonant having target lock as my target panic. My brother is a 27 inch draw to normal anchor so he can use an old bow of mine better.
Tried clickers 30 years ago when I fought with target panic. They didnt help me. I would just release before it clicked anyway. I dont need one as I come to anchor solid and hold for anywhere from 2 seconds to a minute (if the animal moves or looks in my direction). But my anchor is a consistent spot i hit. I might creep forward on the shot or pull back. doesnt make any difference that I notice at my hunting range of 20 and under or my practice ranges of 30 and under.
My quick fix for target panic is not advisable but it works for me. I can go months and not have any issues at all and then Ill just "blank out" and get my arrow on the target ... So i aim at something I really do not want to shoot. A rock usually. My car. (Not people obviously) and then draw back and let down, draw back, aim let down. That seems to be my "factory reset" button.
Thats a great method. Similar to how I beat target panic 30 years ago. I would aim at the ground half way to the target and come to full draw, then lift up and line up.
Ahhhhh it’s so hard to even watch you change your style. Shooting a longbow/recurve instinctively is so mystical. Has a mind of its own. Your tips are incredible, but so scary to watch you change anything. I’m forcing myself so hard to hold it back for a tad. But I promise you I’d still never draw on my TV or in living room because that mystical darn bow might see a spot on TV or fly on my wall and bye bye arrow, & I’d have a hole in my wall (or TV). Wish I was joking and I feel ridiculous even typing this. I would just never draw on anything I don’t want to shoot with one of those crazy mind of it’s own weapons. I’d like to believe I have more self control than I sound like here, but am I 100% sure, NO!
@@tradbowpodcast I am more static in an instinctive gap/Howard Hill style shot but I can swing hold unlike most snap shooting who can't with a few exceptions like my brother who will swing while snaping and do well or he can hold his bow 50% before drawing all the way. His dual dormancy helps him big time in archery and darts.
Yes if you shoot that way alot it can be tremendously effective but, you have to be very careful not to start snap shooting without actually hitting your anchor and getting in alignment
My brother is even faster than some like he will pull nock arrow pull back and snap around a minute and is doing an instinctive gap all in same shot where he aims in under a minuet. He also has an issue with going lighter then 40 pounds as bows become so easy for him at 35--36 pounds and under he is using bad form, right now for recurve and longbow 45--60 pounds is his normal draw weights he can do all day and have the best tension. I do more a pull with a little push type static if bow is more my size with my max weight based on my small body size is 50-55 pounds at my 24.5--25 inch draw.
@@tradbowpodcast Yes becuse some archers like my brother need to feel muscles working. I can go down to about 28--25 pounds at my draw and lower then around 25 pounds like some 22--23 pound kids models and lighter I am getting bad habits in draw.
Hi Jason, do you tune arrows? Do you shoot with the Khatra skill, which allows the archer to shoot any arrow (any spine, any length, any weight) in the same way without any arrow tuning?
Something similar that has helped me are the drills that Jay Kidwell talks about in his Instinctive Archery Insights book. The drill to acquire the target, don't shoot, get off target, then get back on in random order has helped me tremendously with this. That book would be a great pt 2 for this video for anyone interested in this topic. Great video Jason, thanks!
Great additional info. I believe John Tucker has that book. Might see if he can bring it down here when he comes to hunt hogs late summer. Maybe I will revisit this with some of that book extra insitw
Every style of shooting gives me target panic/anxiety. I’ve been trying for a week now to draw right to anchor, hold (even for a one-one thousand count), then release. No dice lol. The ability of your brain to block you from making a simple move like anchoring corner to mouth is unreal.
And I agree with some other comments on here. If I draw and point at an object I DONT want to shoot (e.g. a wall), I have zero issues. Draw, anchor, hold, no problemo. As soon as I’m drawing “for real” on a target, in lock up short of anchor and it takes all my energy to draw back that extra inch or so to anchor.
Yep. This is why I refuse to shoot dynamic. I fought target panic with a dynamic style for 3 straight years alwasy resulting in a short draw. only way I broke it was to draw at the ground in front of the target and get to full draw. then rise up and lock on target to shoot. Target panic is brutal. But for me it will not let me be a dynamic shooter.
Great video!! I like how your bow arm is down, then you draw up to the target. I seem to have my bow arm straight out above the target to get my sight picture then draw to my anchor and settle in. By this point I seem to get my alignment in check and my gaps at different yardages as I shoot split vision. I really focus on my spot but I can see my point on the arrow sitting somewhere on the target. I'm amazed how archers have their own shot sequence!!!
Yep everyone has their own way. and there is not a bad way. I use the swing draw method where I am drawing as im bringing my bow up.
Very interesting video. thank you for sharing.
I have used this method. It works.
It allows a dynamic shoot to regain the control over the shot and reduce the anxiety of having to release when the arrow hits anchor
@@tradbowpodcast exactly. I still hold at anchor but if I’m fighting anxiety I will do that and other stuff.
Awesome video and info!! I need to work on this a ton!
Glad you enjoyed it
Awesome video, thank you!!!
Glad you enjoyed it.
I like your comment at the end: nothing beats a dynamic shot but the dynamic shot always beats me. I think dynamic shooting style needs various different approaches to manage target panic, different things work for different people. A lot of dynamic instinctive shooters need to probably practice on moving targets, stump shoot, blank bail for form etc, I believe this can be the most accurate way to shoot but it is scientifically very difficult to manage pre ignition shot movements/target panic with this style. Target panic is not completely mental, it is physical manifestations of anxiety that come out in odd ways during the shot because it’s your bodies way of bracing itself before releasing the arrow. You essentially need to trick your mind and keep it guessing or your perfectly crisp magical shot will all the sudden disappear and be gone forever…unless you practice smart, do drills and manage the mental side of it. I do not think this style of shooting can ever work the best at target style of shooting like on a line at Vegas or something. It’s meant for wing shooting or hunting, acquire target, body goes on auto pilot, focus on what you want to hit and your subconscious does the rest. Jeff kavanaugh has the best descriptions of this style and has excellent material on you tube. If you watch how he practices you could get some good ideas to mix up practice and keep the panic away.
Very well said and excellent points
I will always amaze myself how I can be shooting lights out to all over the place the next day. I have to beat down target panic like Ricky Bobby and the cougar in Talladega Nights. Up and down but always climbing up 📈
Target panic is a very serious condition.
Hi Jason, why don´t you use a clicker and how do you get away without using one? I don´t use one and don´t want to use one but a lot of people recommends them so I wanted to know how you know when to shoot
find an anchor you can repeat over and over again. This is what works for me as in 2000's 14--15 onward I had a 45--55 pound at 29 inches all fiberglass 62 inch (Super Jet?) bow where bow was only having arrows of any weight flying well if you had a 27 inch draw so I was drawing bow to 26 inches at back jaw and was inconsonant having target lock as my target panic. My brother is a 27 inch draw to normal anchor so he can use an old bow of mine better.
Tried clickers 30 years ago when I fought with target panic. They didnt help me. I would just release before it clicked anyway. I dont need one as I come to anchor solid and hold for anywhere from 2 seconds to a minute (if the animal moves or looks in my direction). But my anchor is a consistent spot i hit. I might creep forward on the shot or pull back. doesnt make any difference that I notice at my hunting range of 20 and under or my practice ranges of 30 and under.
I think snap shooting has its place. Especially small game hunting. I hold most the time tho.
The best shooters I know shoot with a dynamic style. But it wont work for me.
My quick fix for target panic is not advisable but it works for me. I can go months and not have any issues at all and then Ill just "blank out" and get my arrow on the target ...
So i aim at something I really do not want to shoot. A rock usually. My car. (Not people obviously) and then draw back and let down, draw back, aim let down.
That seems to be my "factory reset" button.
Thats a great method. Similar to how I beat target panic 30 years ago. I would aim at the ground half way to the target and come to full draw, then lift up and line up.
Ahhhhh it’s so hard to even watch you change your style. Shooting a longbow/recurve instinctively is so mystical. Has a mind of its own. Your tips are incredible, but so scary to watch you change anything. I’m forcing myself so hard to hold it back for a tad. But I promise you I’d still never draw on my TV or in living room because that mystical darn bow might see a spot on TV or fly on my wall and bye bye arrow, & I’d have a hole in my wall (or TV). Wish I was joking and I feel ridiculous even typing this. I would just never draw on anything I don’t want to shoot with one of those crazy mind of it’s own weapons. I’d like to believe I have more self control than I sound like here, but am I 100% sure, NO!
Yep many people have said the same. Once the hand hits anchor the arrow is gone and there is no stopping it. This method kinda helps with that.
@@tradbowpodcast I am more static in an instinctive gap/Howard Hill style shot but I can swing hold unlike most snap shooting who can't with a few exceptions like my brother who will swing while snaping and do well or he can hold his bow 50% before drawing all the way. His dual dormancy helps him big time in archery and darts.
Yes if you shoot that way alot it can be tremendously effective but, you have to be very careful not to start snap shooting without actually hitting your anchor and getting in alignment
That's why I can not be a dynamic shooter. But for those that are or want to be. This tip will help them beat those problems
My brother is even faster than some like he will pull nock arrow pull back and snap around a minute and is doing an instinctive gap all in same shot where he aims in under a minuet. He also has an issue with going lighter then 40 pounds as bows become so easy for him at 35--36 pounds and under he is using bad form, right now for recurve and longbow 45--60 pounds is his normal draw weights he can do all day and have the best tension. I do more a pull with a little push type static if bow is more my size with my max weight based on my small body size is 50-55 pounds at my 24.5--25 inch draw.
Yep and great point about the lighter bows sometimes actually being harder to shoot than lighter and developing bad form with lighter.
@@tradbowpodcast Yes becuse some archers like my brother need to feel muscles working. I can go down to about 28--25 pounds at my draw and lower then around 25 pounds like some 22--23 pound kids models and lighter I am getting bad habits in draw.
Hi Jason, how can we contact you?
jason@tbwpodcast.com
Hold it long Hold it wrong
😂 easy to remember
Say this to myself all the time
Hi Jason, do you tune arrows? Do you shoot with the Khatra skill, which allows the archer to shoot any arrow (any spine, any length, any weight) in the same way without any arrow tuning?
i tune my arrows by bare shaft testing and tuning them.
@@tradbowpodcast
Thank you very much.