R.I.P Martin Hannett Tony Wilson Rob Gretton Ian Curtis They were all important ingredients to Joy Division and Manchester may their legacies and memories live on forever.
From Wikipedia: "Wilson notes a review that described Hannett as Serkis' "strangest role," and points out that Serkis is best known for his portrayal of Gollum in Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings trilogy. Wilson concludes that the reviewer's implication is correct, that indeed, Hannett was far stranger than the Lord of the Rings character."
It's really interesting to note what an integral part Hannett played in the sound of Joy Division. I don't think he gets enough credit really. His production work brought JD to another level.
For the rest of the world, that's one of those unknown pleasures The radio reception must be terrific in Manchester because its closer Okay, that was too corny - now I'll be still I just couldn't resist trying to post a comment of substance
Great how it shows Martin Hannett dealing with three members of joy division, from guiding the drummer to his vision by just giving hjm half a kit on the roof, maybe so he doesnt feel the need to show off, getting the guitarist to focus and take it seriously, and getting the bass player to realise you cant dick about with recordings cos they never lie and he'd be embarrassed to hear it back if it isnt right.
Jim X There's not much, is there...2mins...and a 6min thing with Tony W. at strawberry studios....I was hoping to find a bit more. I suppose he said all he wanted in his work...........I'm sure he realised the importance in being an enigma !!....
I never knew of Tony Wilson until 1 day ago. But, the last day I have learned more about him then any other Minnesoatan around. I'm miles away and years apart but my god, Thank you TONY for being around and I wish you were around. More people like this man would save what we all hope for. True rock and roll. He is Chuck berry, He is little richar, he is fucking Paul and John. Thanks Tony for being ahead of your time and making things possible for someone like me.
It was winter, Christmas time. I was laying on the coach listen to Trasmission from Unknown Pleasures... Dark around me. Christmas tree lights: on, off, on, off, on, off.... The magic of Joy Division.
Nobody ever sees the big ones coming. Plus at the time these were iust a few kids with no fame that no one expected would have lasting influence. It really was nothing.
Salvador Dali was being interviewed by a reporter when he said, "Let's put a sofa up a tree and sit down there. We'll be more comfortable." So they did.
Ian Curtis has also become disillusioned with Bowie(24hpp, Control) and the Sex Pistols gig reignites musical passion in everyone. In Control, Ian is a big Bowie fan before 1976, but no mention is made of him afterwards. Ian like many people probably still had respect for Bowie, but either grew out of Bowie or were too ashamed to admit they liked Bowie when he was considered "an established artist" and non-punk. Ian in this scene says "he hates Bowie" but he knows well the Bowie song.
He did like Bowie’s music, but later on he hated the fact that bowie lived to 30 when he’d idolise dying young, as shown in this scene Just realised I’m replying to a comment from 12 years ago... 🧍♂️
I don't like the way Ian Curtis is portrayed in this film. He plays him like he was some kind of sociopath. The guy who plays him in Control is much better, and more accurate, according to Peter Hook anyway.
Well I've heard otherwise in interviews, and just listened to a Bernard Sumner interview that Ian in control was virtually identical. Also read that Annik didn't recognise Ian in 24 hour party people, that he was much more gentle in real life.
+Greg Williams Everybody is different but I personally think Sean Harris was great as Ian. Sam Riley was too camp and he had a Yorkshire accent so he just didn't sound like Ian. Danny Cuningham as Shaun Ryder was without a doubt the worst acting in this film. I can't work out how he ever got the part in the first place, he is small and dumpy, Shaun Ryder was tall and gangly in the early Mondays days. Paddy Considine was just like Rob Gretton. Chris Coghill was good as Bez too.
Ian liked Bowie, much like everyone else at the start of this film. After the Sex Pistols gig, the next scene in this film shows Erasmus I believe tearing down a David Bowie poster in his flat. They are seduced by this "new wave" of music and all of a sudden reject everything they've felt about music at that point. When the poster is being torn down of Bowie, people in the house are on different sides if Bowies poster should be torn down, "No, not Bowie!".
Anyone who has seen the real Martin Hannett or read the only full length written interview with him knows that his portrayal in this film is a bit unfair.
@LennonMorrissey the guy who played gretton in 24HP looked like gretton in the mid 80's. the guy who playing gretton in Control look liked the gretton of that time period
I don't think anyone in joy division hated Bowie. The band name warsaw and the Bowie song warszawa. Control also showed him to be a glam rocker when he was young. Then again I was not there and dont know for a fact.
Well I don't remember reading about Cobain using cough syrup, he was more a fan of any other drug, at least that's what it states on his biography. Regarding cough syrup I can tell you from personal experience that it does make you high, at least that's what happened to me when I had Dayquil because of a fever/flu used as directed. I felt like I had too many drinks and felt really really dizzy, it was hard to get up.
Man, you would think they could've found someone that *_KINDA_* looked like Hooky. That guy doesn't resemble him in the least. It's like they just picked anyone off the street and said, _"Wanna be in a picture?"_
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R.I.P Martin Hannett
Tony Wilson
Rob Gretton
Ian Curtis
They were all important ingredients to Joy Division and Manchester may their legacies and memories live on forever.
Lost it when they get in the car and drive by Stephen still playing on the roof.
Quality.
I thought 24 party people was great. I thought control was a little too much.
Actually got chills when I heard those notes in the studio.
They were a GREAT band.
From Wikipedia:
"Wilson notes a review that described Hannett as Serkis' "strangest role," and points out that Serkis is best known for his portrayal of Gollum in Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings trilogy. Wilson concludes that the reviewer's implication is correct, that indeed, Hannett was far stranger than the Lord of the Rings character."
Gollum had a purpose, Hannett was a mad scientist
Should make a film on this
Loved this scene, from "You're recording silence?" to the drummer left on the roof and not stopping playing as asked.
It's really interesting to note what an integral part Hannett played in the sound of Joy Division. I don't think he gets enough credit really. His production work brought JD to another level.
I'm a Manc, there is something so special about driving round the town at night and Joy Division happen to come on the radio.
For the rest of the world, that's one of those unknown pleasures
The radio reception must be terrific in Manchester because its closer
Okay, that was too corny - now I'll be still
I just couldn't resist trying to post a comment of substance
@@eyoung1683 Do you cry out in your sleep?
@@pfg333 No, but I did share a drink and step outside...
@@eyoung1683 Tumbleweed blows slowly across the road....................
@@eyoung1683 lol
-Martin? What are you doing?
-Recording... silence.
-Recording silence?
-Now I´m recording Tony fucking Wilson.
HAHA
“You wear it very well! Now play like a fuckin’ musician!”
That haphazard 'see ya' from coogan at the bottom of the hill gets me every time man
For me, the best part is when the woman says it's good and we simply see Ian say nothing, but feel he is having self-belief flow into him.
I'm in love with Martin Hannett as played by Andy Serkis.
"...recording Tony fookin' Wilson,,," absolutely one of my favorite 24HP scene. Great movie, not totally fitting to that period, but i love it anyway
Martin Hannett is a genius, one of the best sound engineers. If he had not seen potential in them, then there would have been no Joy Division.
one of my favorite movies of all time, and the movie that got me into Joy Division my sophmore year of highschool
"You wear it very well!"
That's great!!!
Hooky: Prick
what?your recording silence?
No,I'm recording Tony Fucking Wilson!
Great how it shows Martin Hannett dealing with three members of joy division, from guiding the drummer to his vision by just giving hjm half a kit on the roof, maybe so he doesnt feel the need to show off, getting the guitarist to focus and take it seriously, and getting the bass player to realise you cant dick about with recordings cos they never lie and he'd be embarrassed to hear it back if it isnt right.
I love the drum break from "Shes lost control" it was YEARS before its time yeah.
I love this! Andy Serkis is a legend.
Watch a clip of the real Hannett. Serkis is scarily accurate!
Jim X I've been looking but found very little unfortunately !!....
Petre .W. New Order's Play At Home - Martin Hannett Interview Clips
Jim X There's not much, is there...2mins...and a 6min thing with Tony W. at strawberry studios....I was hoping to find a bit more. I suppose he said all he wanted in his work...........I'm sure he realised the importance in being an enigma !!....
He's a brilliant actor
I never knew of Tony Wilson until 1 day ago. But, the last day I have learned more about him then any other Minnesoatan around. I'm miles away and years apart but my god, Thank you TONY for being around and I wish you were around. More people like this man would save what we all hope for. True rock and roll. He is Chuck berry, He is little richar, he is fucking Paul and John. Thanks Tony for being ahead of your time and making things possible for someone like me.
I like the guy who plays Ian, seen him in a few films & always impresses.
Don’t know his name but a great actor
Sean Harris. Incredible actor.
Haha, they left the drummer on the rooftop - 5 stars! Martin is a God, BTW, recording silence. He definitely wears it well.
faster but slower
+Diana McLintock that never ever gets old lol
+Guy Man (evelskunny71) so true
there’s logic there somewhere
It was winter, Christmas time. I was laying on the coach listen to Trasmission from Unknown Pleasures... Dark around me. Christmas tree lights: on, off, on, off, on, off.... The magic of Joy Division.
so funny to imagine martin hannett nonchalantly accepting the job to record what would go onto be a classic iconic record like it's nothing lmao
Nobody ever sees the big ones coming. Plus at the time these were iust a few kids with no fame that no one expected would have lasting influence. It really was nothing.
He was spot on as Ian Curtis.... the whole film was spot on...
Not at all
"you wear it very well, now play it like a fuckin musician"
Steve is THE FUCKING AMZING DRUMMER OF ALL TIMES. Underated as hell..
Some absolutely sensational english right here
"what I'd like... Is to rebuild it on the roof" 😅
Salvador Dali was being interviewed by a reporter when he said, "Let's put a sofa up a tree and sit down there. We'll be more comfortable." So they did.
Really rocking the frequency of these songs!
Ian didn't hate Bowie, it's my understanding that the whole band liked him
Mikael Salander it's a joke
He doesn't sound anything like Bowie.
@ganzigarro Control was bollocks though, hardly anything was true about it
He was a Bowie fan though
I watched this on LSD and it genuinely changed my life - Anton
Best part is at 3:05
HAHAHAA poor "Stephen" still on the roof
I love the line about Yates..."I would of heard of him Tony"
It's W.B. Yeats, mate.
Ian Curtis has also become disillusioned with Bowie(24hpp, Control) and the Sex Pistols gig reignites musical passion in everyone.
In Control, Ian is a big Bowie fan before 1976, but no mention is made of him afterwards. Ian like many people probably still had respect for Bowie, but either grew out of Bowie or were too ashamed to admit they liked Bowie when he was considered "an established artist" and non-punk.
Ian in this scene says "he hates Bowie" but he knows well the Bowie song.
Some great stories of Martin in the book sonic alchemy.
Fuckin' Gollum.
recording silence...lol
faster but slower , mind blow
I thought Ian liked Bowie to. In 'Control' he has his records and he even goes to his concert in the beginning of the movie. =O
He did like Bowie’s music, but later on he hated the fact that bowie lived to 30 when he’d idolise dying young, as shown in this scene
Just realised I’m replying to a comment from 12 years ago... 🧍♂️
He’s awesome 💪💪💪
I love Paddy Considine in this movie.
I don't like the way Ian Curtis is portrayed in this film. He plays him like he was some kind of sociopath. The guy who plays him in Control is much better, and more accurate, according to Peter Hook anyway.
I agree. Sean Harris is a good actor though, just not right for Ian. But Sean was great in Southcliffe and MacBeth.
I hate to disagree, but Pete Hook says this version of Ian is closer to what he was like. It's in all three of his books.
Well I've heard otherwise in interviews, and just listened to a Bernard Sumner interview that Ian in control was virtually identical. Also read that Annik didn't recognise Ian in 24 hour party people, that he was much more gentle in real life.
+Greg Williams Everybody is different but I personally think Sean Harris was great as Ian. Sam Riley was too camp and he had a Yorkshire accent so he just didn't sound like Ian. Danny Cuningham as Shaun Ryder was without a doubt the worst acting in this film. I can't work out how he ever got the part in the first place, he is small and dumpy, Shaun Ryder was tall and gangly in the early Mondays days. Paddy Considine was just like Rob Gretton. Chris Coghill was good as Bez too.
You are right What?? In what way was he spot on?. He pays no resemblance to him whatsoever.
MARTIN HANNETT is the MOST FUCKING BRILLIANT PRODUCER OF ALL TIME! THere, just had to shout it out to the whole world!
Yea, seriously missing it!
"just remember its tony wilson money"
funny ass shit,great film,even better band : )
"see ya"
Faster but slower! My favourite scene from this film! Thank you!!!
Martin Hannett was as crucial to Joy Division as any other member. Perhaps more so.
Martin hanett was fuckin kickass!
Why are there so few people in the world who even know this movie?!
They don't read enough lol
you wear it very well !!!
the end of the movie was so trippy/fucked up/awesome when they showed ian at the hacienda raving.
Legend Martin Hannett
Ian liked Bowie, much like everyone else at the start of this film. After the Sex Pistols gig, the next scene in this film shows Erasmus I believe tearing down a David Bowie poster in his flat.
They are seduced by this "new wave" of music and all of a sudden reject everything they've felt about music at that point. When the poster is being torn down of Bowie, people in the house are on different sides if Bowies poster should be torn down, "No, not Bowie!".
"Recording...Silence"
Hahaha!
HA HA HA Martin Hannett was my uncle! Although i never got to meet him... =[
Cool. What did your family think of him?
There is more substance in the "24 hour party people" segments dedicated to Joy Division than in the whole "Control" film
I remember hooky saying that 24 hour party people showed it as shambolic and amateurish (people who didnt have a clue), whilst control didnt.
False. 24 hour party people does not describe Ian Curtis at all
Ralf Little, the actor playing Peter Hook, starred alongside Caroline Aherne in The Royle Family, who would go on to marry Peter Hook in real life.
Great movie 👌
@MrDataCode Lol. No.
I wanna documentary on The FALL.
I have this film on D.V.D i think its very funny...R.I.P Tony Wilson
Faster... but slower :D Best advice to date, imo.
Originally recorded by Richard Berry in 1957 .
"stop that horrible fuckin racket please......"
lol they left stephen!!
now i'm recording tony fuckin' wilson!!
Anyone who has seen the real Martin Hannett or read the only full length written interview with him knows that his portrayal in this film is a bit unfair.
Why is it unfair?
Does the " I'm recording silece" thing have actually happend?
This movie is incredible
BrusselsRock
Peter Hook stated in an interview, that it really happened.
ruclips.net/video/EYFbivZ1t7g/видео.html
BrusselsRock he’s more recording the sounds of the nature
there is a new video out recently about Joy Division bootlegs, and there is a bootleg floating around about Hannet's atmosphere recordings
@LennonMorrissey the guy who played gretton in 24HP looked like gretton in the mid 80's. the guy who playing gretton in Control look liked the gretton of that time period
"now i'm recording tony fucking wilson" jajajaja hail fucking genious (as the real tony wilson said: "fuck in manchester is a preposition)
now I'm recording Tony fucking Wilson
He fucking rules in this movie!!
holy hell, IT'S ANDY SERKIS!
I don't think anyone in joy division hated Bowie. The band name warsaw and the Bowie song warszawa. Control also showed him to be a glam rocker when he was young. Then again I was not there and dont know for a fact.
my personal motto, What Would Martin Hannett Do?
ERICH ELSTER best record producer of all time
I reckon the musicians fookin hated Hannett by the end of the recording process.
seems that way. I was confused about that part in the movie when you see his house and there's a bowie poster
"...I don't know, as long as it takes..."
His drumming did actually improve after he was told to do it faster but slower.
2:28 - Sorry... Just remember Tony Wilson money
haha what a film.
@dryhurst07 She's lost control - Joy Division.
kinda off-topic, but can someone tell me what the finish on the Rick at 2:33 is called? :D
and Sound of Music.
That Ian Curtis looks more like Alex Kapranos than Ian Curtis
Fuchia MacAree, could you read your inbox please?
Thank you
Yea so where´s Ian Curtis? :( i Wanna See Himm
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@EpiEmo isn't it "now I'm recording Tony fuckin' Wilson"?
Well I don't remember reading about Cobain using cough syrup, he was more a fan of any other drug, at least that's what it states on his biography.
Regarding cough syrup I can tell you from personal experience that it does make you high, at least that's what happened to me when I had Dayquil because of a fever/flu used as directed. I felt like I had too many drinks and felt really really dizzy, it was hard to get up.
US Dayquil is not what Martin is drinking buddy thats 70s Codeine Syrup lol
24 Hour Party People
@IncorporealJules my fav lines man lol !
No, i'm recording Tony Fucking Wilson
Man, you would think they could've found someone that *_KINDA_* looked like Hooky. That guy doesn't resemble him in the least. It's like they just picked anyone off the street and said, _"Wanna be in a picture?"_
.no im recording tony fucking wilson..