0:370:40 At last! someone who specks my language about the amazing Honda crf450L, you are spot on and it's great watching your videos, please keep it up, I wish more people could see what the Honda is against other similar machines! I'll continue and be very happy as a great goon fan of your channel. Thanks very much, from the Sunshine Coast, Queensland, Australia and our big Adventure country, cheers mate, John.
In regards to extending oil change service intervals you should probably mention clutch use. Highway miles, extend away. Tight trails flogging the clutch, follow the suggested oil intervals to ensure a healthy engine life span. After the initial valve check/adjustment it sounds like Honda got this motor right and they're not moving much. I will be checking mine end of season only but I also keep my air filter clean.
Great video! 35 years ago I was an A class mx teen. At 52 I decided to finally get another bike and currently am 4 months into owning an uncorked klx300 that I have put 2600 miles on. It has been an absolute blast. I have winters off and I boondock in the desert so I think I will settle into pretty high annual mileage. I am planning to upgrade from the klx and it is building momentum... Thanks for sharing and summarizing your research and experience, especially the effective reframing regarding maintenance. Cheers!
Really helpful way to put the maintenance issue in context. When I think of an extra $400 for 10,000 miles its not a big deal, especially when that can be done at home. Also comparing it to some high end euro bikes and some bulletproof rides (crf300, dry, etc) helps as well. Thanks for putting this together!
I have a 18' 250l rally , I change the oil/filter/gasket every fall before winter storage , which equals about 2.5K miles , it's important to have fresh oil to handle temp changes of winter storage if you live in cold climates like I do.
Great insight, and exactly the math I did for myself. Came from a DRZ and wanted something street worthy that I could supermoto as well as give me the feel of my old crf450r when off road. Perfect bike for my scenario!
I change my oil based on use, and what my air cleaner looks like after that use. It’s been as frequent as after one ride, and as infrequent as 1500 mi. I’d say I average about 1000-1200 mi. As for the valves, I’ve not checked mine, and won’t. I’ll replace a piston before I have valve issues. There are too many 450Rs, and 450 MX bikes in general, getting beat to hell every weekend on the MX track. And their valve trains don’t move. Even over the course of seasons. My son is a Pro Am level rider that just swapped a piston after two seasons. His valve train was still in spec. It had never been checked. However you choose to maintain your stuff is your business. But I cringe when I hear people complain about the maintenance intervals on these bikes. Because it’s usually from people that don’t own one. And it’s simply untrue. Cheers.
This is unwise advise, checking valves is a very simple safety net to ensure you don’t destroy your motor, I have bikes on both sides of the fence, one that never seems to get out of spec and one that does, as a mechanic though I get to see just how many get out of spec even at normal intervals which is more often than not, let alone inspecting for cam wear, chain wear pull the spark plug and even stick a camera into the cylinder while your there to check for irregular cylinder wear. Burnt or bent valves are no fun, worn cams dampen performance and irregular valve train wear happens too. Valve buckets wearing or kissing some pistons cause the valves were never checked and bending a valve lol I cringe every time I hear a customer talk like this guy, almost always has something wrong. Just do your simple inspection and have peace of mind.
@@BornAGoon I actually had a deposit in on one of these but after delay and delay, I asked for my money back. I have a 29" inseam and got a seat concepts low seat (1" lower), I still have it. I also weigh about 212 lbs. If the seat height weren't a concern, I may go with a KTM because the Honda will need new tires, and if the ECU really needs to be replaced, the price gets up into KTM level. My other option is the Beta 390 RRS, which has a 37" seat height, good off road tires, can tractor nicely at low rpm's and can move you along on the road. I think Honda has the better comfort for the road, and I would imagine for the reliability, but the weight is a bit more for the Honda than the KTM or Beta (which is better for the trail). I live about a 20 minute ride to trails, so I can either get a dual sport or a trailer hitch mount carrier on my Toyota 4Runner. If I transported the bike, it could be a lighter trail bike. The idea is that if I get a street legal dirt bike, I am putting hours on a high maintenance performace motor for getting from A to B on the road. The hitch carrier takes hours off the motorcycle, but sometimes the EPA can cause problems (Massachusetts) and stay at your truck until you show up and give you a ticket. There are really nice trails that are open to the public but are pretty far away (50 minute drive, which is kind of long for a hitch carrier in my comfort level...). I might go for the Beta 390 RRS street legal and use it to access local trails, and put it on the hitch carrier for longer trips. The Beta's reliability is then the concern... The Honda would be the no brainer if it weren't for the tires, ECU and the weight. The hitch carrier I like is made by Rack-N-Ride, and is like close to $1000 plus delivered with taxes, but it offers peace of mind... So a Beta 390 RRS is $11k MSRP, the Honda $10K MSRP, but if the Honda needs tire and an ECU... Unless the Honda is a complete mad-dog performance bike that is also reliable with the ECU and is a total reliable Ferrari, it may be worth the ECU. Anyway, your video was the best I have seen, but your relativity seems to be based against the Triumph Tiger, so when you talk about how easy it is to maneuver, it seems like you are benchmarking the heavy adventure bike. If you rode the 350 or 500 KTM or the Beta's I'd be interested to get your take. Best!
Agree with you on the 450L I picked one up in 2019 as soon as they became available. Had to do several modifications to get it perform properly, but you will modify any bike you buy. My opinion for riding street to get to dirt this bike is the best out there!
Haha i subscribed cause of that little speach in the beginning after watching a couple videos. I usually take my time deciding to sub or not and that earned it haha
Luv my 22 KLR, something about getting out and relaxing on it and exploring and its probably better stock for distant travel vs the crf450rl, but the crf fills the need fot something to get out and get more aggressive on. Considering the 450x though, since im hearing it can be tagged in my state and is less corked up from the factory. Either way going to be shopping for one. Good video!
Axp skidplate plus the works oil connection ez oil drain makes oil changes so easy on this bike. I've been doing every 600 miles but its been mostly driven off road in deep sand so I try and keep the oil clean. Just takes a few minutes and gives a good chance to closely inspect the bike anyways.
I have a klx300, a wr250r, and a yz250fx, and an 89 xr250r. The only time I want the yz is on a track or closed cross country course. Maybe in the desert. If I'm not going fast, give me the wr. Love the klx. Xr is amazing little PNW woods bike.
I have a dr650 as my adventure bike. I sold my ktm 200exc and bought a 450l. Chucked heaps of money at it, including the vortex hoping to replace my dr. I haven't been able to fix the flame out issue and am now considering selling. Definitely keeping the dr. I do really like the honda and would be sad to see it go over something I feel shoud be able to be fixed.
Never understood people who get mad about frequent oil changes. Never had a bike i didnt change the oil every 1000km including every road or sport bike. Its so simple and cheap.....
Hey man, hope you don't mind me jumping in with the Africa Twin - but it's a maintenance comment. When I went to book my AT into my excellent local main dealer for it's first K16m service (including expensive valve check), he said they just don't bother unless the customer absolutely insists. Apparently they've checked dozens of them and never had any out of spec. He suggested leaving it until K32m. I know the AT is likely to be less stressed than the big singles you're talking about, but it all points to manufacturers being quite conservative with their maintenance schedules.
I got about a block on my new 2003 CFR450R. I don't think they valves have ever been checked. It was hard to start and ran very hot. I don't know where to start but I did change the oil. The old oil was dark and old. Trans oil was worse. ETA: I have the KLR-650, CFR450R, Tiger 1050 sport tour and the ZX-10 ninja. Too much to keep them all going I feel like a bike shop that never makes any money. I can't ride them while working and can't afford to ride them when I'm not working. I need to let all of them go. But the last time I sold a bike I got a deal on the CFR and a jeep that seemed destine to replace the lost bike. So 1 step forward and 2 steps back.
When bike is new I think it’s important to follow the services. When it’s broken in you can slack off a little bit. Air filters are important to keep good condition. Mi bike is not in valve spec doing first service. Probably been to low clearance from factory.
Unfortunately 1500 miles is still ridiculous compare to a 690 enduro/Husk 701/Gasgas 700: Oil change every 6250 miles. Biggest mistake with this video, you didn't compare the CRF450L With those bikes. And they are the nearest bikes to compare. Nearest than the DRZ400 or the KLR650... :(
He is probably right for extended the oil change interval, however, it has no scientific basis only only what people reckon. Oil changes are usually dictated as a result of two reasons, contamination (combustion products and metal and clutch debris accumulation) and a reduction in lubricity (generally caused by dilution from fuel blow-by and heat breaking down of the oil's carbon chains) resulting in reduced oil film strength. You may have heard stories of KTM owners not using synthetic oil as recommended, later to find that they have excessive wear of their cam train. KTM size their bearing to rely on high film strength oil (top synthetics have more than twice the film strength of standard mineral oils allowing KTM to really reduce the size of their bearings) , maybe the Honda has specified the interval based on smaller bearing surfaces and standard oil that cannot tolerate much of a reduction in film strength? Anyway the point I'm trying to make is not to discredit 'Born A Goon' but to point out that there is a host of reasons why oil changes are specified at the intervals they are and it would be good if he get some hard data to back it up.....such oil lab test which could conclusively prove what sort of deterioration occurs to the oil after only 600miles.
I have a 2018 xr650L and just recently put a 2022 Crf450rl in the garage with it , all of my friends and myself are having issues with fork seals leaking , Honda told a buddy of mine yesterday when he asked about both his leaking at 750 miles to quit riding wheelies , so he has to fix it himself I thought that was kinda crappy , but overall most of what I've read are guys switching and running the Honda Hp4s red bottle honda oil and going 1k mile oil change intervals with 0 issues
I havent heard of any fork seal problems on this My Speed Triple has always had fork seal leaks One wheelie and you are done They told me the same thing Hopefully I do not have fork problems
Unfortunately the upside down exposed fork legs on the CRF will take way more cleaning that the conventional fork on the XRL. Light years better chassis on the 450 but hard beat the rugged-ness of the XRL for conventional dual sport riding.
Taking the bike out of its parameters and using it as a light ADV bike on a 6000km trip would mean you’d have to either a) take oil with you or b) plan oil change stops.
I was told my bike was due for valve clearance adjustment at 10,000km ... and that recently ticked over so I started doing some research and realized I need shim replacements but also I read the specs and it's ment to be done at 6000km .. i noticed it really was running like a pig on the last 50kms when I took it to park up for maintenance ..I'm hoping I havnt caused any damage but I kinda doubt it ... Honda has reliable reputation with anything they they bring out from bikes boats lawnmowers n cars👍
I Bought a CRF250R in a 2006 year with a kickstarter engine only .....GREAT BIKE and after 6-700 ours of job I change piston and belowe .... after 5 years and much fun off road riding YES I'm not a PILOT but these Bike are PERFECT ///// That's all, So YOU ARE RIGHT!
Honda is so overzealous with oil change intervals. I have a 2021 Honda rubicon 520. It is a gutless, stone age ohv engine that's been around in different forms for decades. That thing could go its entire life on the original oil.... But my maintenance schedule still says oil changes every 1000km or 600 miles. It's insane. I know they are just covering their butts, however there is no way this detuned 450 engine will blow up if it doesn't get weekly oil changes like Honda suggests.
it's a race-derived motor, and even at the 600mi interval, folk are finding>5% gasoline content mixed into their oil. Personally i change it as oil is cheap and I'm not interested in running gas in my oil as it's absolutely going to grenade bearings eventually. Not to mention the transmission shares the same diluted oil...
your doing a great job on this video, however, I will say this, The KLR is an adventure bike this is a Dual sport, two different bikes, I do like the angle, you are using to see it. I want one, bUt the KLR is totally different. Just saying, I would not take my KLR on a single track, I want this bike for a single track if that makes sense. With that said I have rode half way across the country on back roads on my KLR, I would not even try that on this one. Not being negative, just saying it is not eve similar. Kinda like comparing it to a BWM Adventure, its just a different platform.
I lived in Vegas for 20 years and rode everywhere there. Is the trail from red rock loop to Pahrump and over wheeler pass still open to ride. Loved that trip. And want to move back there next year..
I’m following a fellow riding around the world on a CRF450L. He’s just been in Australia and recently passed 77,000 totally reliable km with routine maintenance but longer interval oil changes. Forget about the crazy manufacturers recommendations.
I started on a KLR (perfect beginner) as an ADV guy, realized how much I love the dirt and moved to an XR650L (great!). Rented a 501 for my first Baja rally, loved the performance but fear the reliability. Now I'm asking myself: do I rally the XR or buy the CRF?
Hey there Can you please tell me what enduro/dualsport bike is the most lowest maintenance and reliable, the one that never breaks down. I don't care about features like power, how it handles or how heavy it is. I just want one to take it to the woods once a week and have some fun. Thanks
Still thinking about what to get. For me, maybe the maintenance really wouldn't be that big of a deal. The height, for me, is a little high. I am 6'1" with a ~33" inseam from crotch to ground. But I am older, 67, and have little to no calf muscles so that's a problem. Good things are it's light for picking up and no need to change the suspension as it's already good. A DR650 would probably need that done. I have no bike at the moment and it has been many years. What to get to get back into riding? I am in Las Vegas so looking to enjoy some desert dirt/sand/possibly rocky (not too hard!) roads. I have been thinking strongly about a DR650 but still seems a bit big and heavy.
Good thinking mate. I have 2 DR650's, one set up for adv and one lowered and lightened as a street legal dirt bike. Both have excellent ($$$) suspension mods and are excellent. But the adv version is heavy and a pain to pick up. It is an excellent all around dual sport with nice power. The lightened version is a rocket but required major surgery to lose weight. I'm looking at the CRF 450L as a replacement for both. I am 6'-4" and 68 years old so I ride slower and don't need the power of a tuned 650, I do want light. The stock DR suspension is okay for street riding but plan on $1,500 minimum to make the suspension good. It will always be heavy. The DR was designed to be easy to lower 1.5" and that is a bonus.
@@JagLite It's a tough call. The CRF450RL has some quirks that many aren't fond of either. It's a bit light for the windy freeway but being light is good off road. I have been looking at that as well but it depends also on what you want to do with it. It may not be the right tool.
I’m 5’9” and about 210. The suspension on the RL really squats and it’s enough to get the balls of my feet on the ground. I did order a Seat Concepts comfort low just to be a little more planted but I do not foresee any reason to lower this RL
I just bought a few months ago a 2002 honda xr650r to convert to street legal. What do you think is better. The 450l or 650r? I went with 650r because of all the issues people had when 450l came out with ecu etc and having to spend several thousand more on aftermarket fixes. I also chose xr650R over the xr650L because of the power and baja proven. I am 6ft 1 220lbs. If you think the 450l is better I would like to know why and would consider switching. Thank you
I think the 450RL is better. It comes with flaws, but those can be fixed easily but not cheaply. The 450RL is 2022 updated tech ( frame etc ) the 650 is running on 15 year old tech if not longer that is harder to fix The upside of the 450 is so much better but you pay twice as much for that privledge
I found a 2019 witn 247 miles for less than 8k and considering pulling the trigger..want a light weight adventure bike to take places my tenere can't go...
I dont think thats necessary John Young on RUclips has 25k+ on his I don't think he touched the bottom end Also I have friends still riding 2003 CR 250s without ever touching bottom ends Honda are just built like no other bike
@@BornAGoon It might not be necessary at 19k miles, but since you mention riders coming from adventure bikes I think it's important to at least mention on this as well. I currently have a crf300 which is definitely underpowered but I ride about 20 000 kms (12 000 miles) a year so if anyone is considering this bike for long-term adventure riding it's definitely a big cost to think about as well.
I had crf250x and honda "recommended" to rebuild the engine every 25mth. I did 170mth and the piston was just a tiny bit below spec. I didn't babysit this bike, I rode it full throttle 24/7 not even letting off for upshift. I had this bike for 8years. So this recommended maintenance intervals are called recommended for a reason.
I’ve got a 2022 crf450rl.. I’m coming from a 2016 crf250r.. when I seen people complaint about the jerky throttle I didn’t see a problem with it.. since it is a race bike for the street.. I like the jerky part of it.. I can’t tell it tho.. but that’s what I wanted a dual sport that could pop of when I needed it because I like riding trails.. I just ordered my fmf q4 and getting my vortex and gonna do the air expansion.. but other then that I mean it all stock it still is a great bike
I’ve done full exhaust with a dynojet since I bought the bike. I’m getting the AIM ecu. Ordered last week can’t wait for it to get in. I’ve put lowering links 1.5 because I’m short and almost would fall over at red lights lol. I’ve changed grips, bars, did the thermostat delete with SD power hiuse. For my riding the aim will work well. I have one brother that has a AIM on his husky 501 and another brother that had a GET on his ktm. After doing research and watching the aim videos you and others have put up. I like what the aim offers and want it. I don’t care for endro I don’t normally do that hard riding but everything now and then. I want the bottom end it gives. I do road to trails. That’s it. I did the Smokey mountain 500 last year and it was great. I don’t want a too much “adventure bike” but like to keep it dual sport. Anyways I would deffently buy the 450rl again. I love it
I gotta stop watching these videos and reading the comments - I quite fancy the 450RL now.... and I don't worry about services so much now after learning how to do a lot of stuff myself
@@BornAGoon Current new bike, a Yamaha Tracer7 came out of my kitchen (where it sat since delivery last October),less than 2 weeks ago, and as I'm unjabbed, I can't go anywhere, has done,just under 1000miles already just in Argyll, Scotland, I'm changing the oil myself as the dealer has such a service backlog, and our summers are short... I'll get it's 1st dealer check done after summer!
My honda cbr is first oil change at 600 then the next at like 8000. It's not every 600. Tbats only the initial oil change and valve check at every 24,000
It’s not though. It’s de tuned and way calmer. Even when you open it up and do the vortex it’s still a little detuned then the moto bike. And it’s actually MORE comfortable than the drz. And has a 6 speed. I have a had all the dual sports. Drz is a good bike but it does not hold a candle to the 450l or 500exc
I had a DRZ400SM purchased from a KTM dealer that loved on this specific unit because it only had 3200 miles. Despite the Suzuki-touted counterbalancer(s), this bad boy shook like a wet canine after a swim. I did manage to sell it eventually for what I paid. Never again would I buy one.
I ride the crap out of my 450rl. I average 12,000km a year and that's quite the mix of commuting, trail riding, MX racing and some stunting. I do follow the scheduled 1000km oil change but have to say, it's always super clean oil coming out, to the point where I can comfortably go 1500miles without issues. Also never had to actually adjust the shims yet. This really doesn't feel much different from the 250l in terms of maintenance, just a little more frequently, and it really gives you peace of mind. Plus it's practically no oil, which blows my mind.
0:37 0:40 At last! someone who specks my language about the amazing Honda crf450L, you are spot on and it's great watching your videos, please keep it up, I wish more people could see what the Honda is against other similar machines!
I'll continue and be very happy as a great goon fan of your channel.
Thanks very much, from the Sunshine Coast, Queensland, Australia and our big Adventure country, cheers mate, John.
In regards to extending oil change service intervals you should probably mention clutch use. Highway miles, extend away. Tight trails flogging the clutch, follow the suggested oil intervals to ensure a healthy engine life span. After the initial valve check/adjustment it sounds like Honda got this motor right and they're not moving much. I will be checking mine end of season only but I also keep my air filter clean.
Yes, how you ride and where you ride matters
Great video! 35 years ago I was an A class mx teen. At 52 I decided to finally get another bike and currently am 4 months into owning an uncorked klx300 that I have put 2600 miles on. It has been an absolute blast. I have winters off and I boondock in the desert so I think I will settle into pretty high annual mileage. I am planning to upgrade from the klx and it is building momentum...
Thanks for sharing and summarizing your research and experience, especially the effective reframing regarding maintenance. Cheers!
Really helpful way to put the maintenance issue in context. When I think of an extra $400 for 10,000 miles its not a big deal, especially when that can be done at home. Also comparing it to some high end euro bikes and some bulletproof rides (crf300, dry, etc) helps as well.
Thanks for putting this together!
I have a 18' 250l rally , I change the oil/filter/gasket every fall before winter storage , which equals about 2.5K miles , it's important to have fresh oil to handle temp changes of winter storage if you live in cold climates like I do.
Great insight, and exactly the math I did for myself. Came from a DRZ and wanted something street worthy that I could supermoto as well as give me the feel of my old crf450r when off road. Perfect bike for my scenario!
Awesome have you done any mods to the 450?
@@BornAGoon a bunch of stuff, there's a whole Playlist on my channel
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I change my oil based on use, and what my air cleaner looks like after that use. It’s been as frequent as after one ride, and as infrequent as 1500 mi. I’d say I average about 1000-1200 mi. As for the valves, I’ve not checked mine, and won’t. I’ll replace a piston before I have valve issues. There are too many 450Rs, and 450 MX bikes in general, getting beat to hell every weekend on the MX track. And their valve trains don’t move. Even over the course of seasons. My son is a Pro Am level rider that just swapped a piston after two seasons. His valve train was still in spec. It had never been checked.
However you choose to maintain your stuff is your business. But I cringe when I hear people complain about the maintenance intervals on these bikes. Because it’s usually from people that don’t own one. And it’s simply untrue. Cheers.
Thanks for watching My friend races a KX 450 its been 3 years hasnt changed the top end or checked the valves It still rips
This is unwise advise, checking valves is a very simple safety net to ensure you don’t destroy your motor, I have bikes on both sides of the fence, one that never seems to get out of spec and one that does, as a mechanic though I get to see just how many get out of spec even at normal intervals which is more often than not, let alone inspecting for cam wear, chain wear pull the spark plug and even stick a camera into the cylinder while your there to check for irregular cylinder wear. Burnt or bent valves are no fun, worn cams dampen performance and irregular valve train wear happens too. Valve buckets wearing or kissing some pistons cause the valves were never checked and bending a valve lol I cringe every time I hear a customer talk like this guy, almost always has something wrong. Just do your simple inspection and have peace of mind.
Then I strongly suggest you follow your own maintenance schedule. I do.
This is video answered everything I wanted to know. Well played sir
Thank you
I have a 2019 with 33000 miles on it I have been doing 1000 Mile oil changes since the bike had about 5000 miles on it and it runs great.
This guy is not a goon; he is awesome.
Your words are too kind
@@BornAGoon I actually had a deposit in on one of these but after delay and delay, I asked for my money back. I have a 29" inseam and got a seat concepts low seat (1" lower), I still have it. I also weigh about 212 lbs. If the seat height weren't a concern, I may go with a KTM because the Honda will need new tires, and if the ECU really needs to be replaced, the price gets up into KTM level. My other option is the Beta 390 RRS, which has a 37" seat height, good off road tires, can tractor nicely at low rpm's and can move you along on the road. I think Honda has the better comfort for the road, and I would imagine for the reliability, but the weight is a bit more for the Honda than the KTM or Beta (which is better for the trail). I live about a 20 minute ride to trails, so I can either get a dual sport or a trailer hitch mount carrier on my Toyota 4Runner. If I transported the bike, it could be a lighter trail bike. The idea is that if I get a street legal dirt bike, I am putting hours on a high maintenance performace motor for getting from A to B on the road. The hitch carrier takes hours off the motorcycle, but sometimes the EPA can cause problems (Massachusetts) and stay at your truck until you show up and give you a ticket. There are really nice trails that are open to the public but are pretty far away (50 minute drive, which is kind of long for a hitch carrier in my comfort level...). I might go for the Beta 390 RRS street legal and use it to access local trails, and put it on the hitch carrier for longer trips. The Beta's reliability is then the concern... The Honda would be the no brainer if it weren't for the tires, ECU and the weight. The hitch carrier I like is made by Rack-N-Ride, and is like close to $1000 plus delivered with taxes, but it offers peace of mind... So a Beta 390 RRS is $11k MSRP, the Honda $10K MSRP, but if the Honda needs tire and an ECU... Unless the Honda is a complete mad-dog performance bike that is also reliable with the ECU and is a total reliable Ferrari, it may be worth the ECU. Anyway, your video was the best I have seen, but your relativity seems to be based against the Triumph Tiger, so when you talk about how easy it is to maneuver, it seems like you are benchmarking the heavy adventure bike. If you rode the 350 or 500 KTM or the Beta's I'd be interested to get your take. Best!
Agree with you on the 450L I picked one up in 2019 as soon as they became available. Had to do several modifications to get it perform properly, but you will modify any bike you buy. My opinion for riding street to get to dirt this bike is the best out there!
Its growing on me now lol
Haha i subscribed cause of that little speach in the beginning after watching a couple videos. I usually take my time deciding to sub or not and that earned it haha
Luv my 22 KLR, something about getting out and relaxing on it and exploring and its probably better stock for distant travel vs the crf450rl, but the crf fills the need fot something to get out and get more aggressive on. Considering the 450x though, since im hearing it can be tagged in my state and is less corked up from the factory. Either way going to be shopping for one. Good video!
Axp skidplate plus the works oil connection ez oil drain makes oil changes so easy on this bike. I've been doing every 600 miles but its been mostly driven off road in deep sand so I try and keep the oil clean. Just takes a few minutes and gives a good chance to closely inspect the bike anyways.
Thanks for watching and commenting
You just convinced me with this intro to subscribe
Thank you
I have a klx300, a wr250r, and a yz250fx, and an 89 xr250r. The only time I want the yz is on a track or closed cross country course. Maybe in the desert. If I'm not going fast, give me the wr. Love the klx. Xr is amazing little PNW woods bike.
I have a dr650 as my adventure bike. I sold my ktm 200exc and bought a 450l. Chucked heaps of money at it, including the vortex hoping to replace my dr. I haven't been able to fix the flame out issue and am now considering selling. Definitely keeping the dr. I do really like the honda and would be sad to see it go over something I feel shoud be able to be fixed.
Very nice!
I have no bikes and am looking at the DR650 and this Honda. Some seem to do well with it. But it is a bit taller!
Did you solve the flame outs? Vortex plus yoshi pipe fixed the issue for me! I have some mod info on my channel if that helps . Good luck !
Never understood people who get mad about frequent oil changes. Never had a bike i didnt change the oil every 1000km including every road or sport bike. Its so simple and cheap.....
It is very easy
Hey man, hope you don't mind me jumping in with the Africa Twin - but it's a maintenance comment. When I went to book my AT into my excellent local main dealer for it's first K16m service (including expensive valve check), he said they just don't bother unless the customer absolutely insists. Apparently they've checked dozens of them and never had any out of spec. He suggested leaving it until K32m. I know the AT is likely to be less stressed than the big singles you're talking about, but it all points to manufacturers being quite conservative with their maintenance schedules.
I think so too Honda is quirky about that stuff
So Mr. Goon did you keep this bike or not ? I see no other video if you ever got your parts or not .
I got about a block on my new 2003 CFR450R. I don't think they valves have ever been checked. It was hard to start and ran very hot. I don't know where to start but I did change the oil. The old oil was dark and old. Trans oil was worse.
ETA: I have the KLR-650, CFR450R, Tiger 1050 sport tour and the ZX-10 ninja.
Too much to keep them all going I feel like a bike shop that never makes any money. I can't ride them while working and can't afford to ride them when I'm not working. I need to let all of them go. But the last time I sold a bike I got a deal on the CFR and a jeep that seemed destine to replace the lost bike. So 1 step forward and 2 steps back.
When bike is new I think it’s important to follow the services. When it’s broken in you can slack off a little bit. Air filters are important to keep good condition. Mi bike is not in valve spec doing first service. Probably been to low clearance from factory.
I did the same changed the oil after break in and now I will extend it
Unfortunately 1500 miles is still ridiculous compare to a 690 enduro/Husk 701/Gasgas 700: Oil change every 6250 miles. Biggest mistake with this video, you didn't compare the CRF450L With those bikes. And they are the nearest bikes to compare. Nearest than the DRZ400 or the KLR650... :(
Excellent content!!
Thank you
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Thank you Darryl
I just bought that bike and so far i love it no stals no flame outs awesome bike
That is good to hear keep me updated on the bike
@@BornAGoon the throttle doesn't seem to bad but i think ill try that throttle tamer
He is probably right for extended the oil change interval, however, it has no scientific basis only only what people reckon. Oil changes are usually dictated as a result of two reasons, contamination (combustion products and metal and clutch debris accumulation) and a reduction in lubricity (generally caused by dilution from fuel blow-by and heat breaking down of the oil's carbon chains) resulting in reduced oil film strength. You may have heard stories of KTM owners not using synthetic oil as recommended, later to find that they have excessive wear of their cam train. KTM size their bearing to rely on high film strength oil (top synthetics have more than twice the film strength of standard mineral oils allowing KTM to really reduce the size of their bearings) , maybe the Honda has specified the interval based on smaller bearing surfaces and standard oil that cannot tolerate much of a reduction in film strength?
Anyway the point I'm trying to make is not to discredit 'Born A Goon' but to point out that there is a host of reasons why oil changes are specified at the intervals they are and it would be good if he get some hard data to back it up.....such oil lab test which could conclusively prove what sort of deterioration occurs to the oil after only 600miles.
It also has to do with where one rides and how hard they ride it don't you think ?
I have a 2018 xr650L and just recently put a 2022 Crf450rl in the garage with it , all of my friends and myself are having issues with fork seals leaking , Honda told a buddy of mine yesterday when he asked about both his leaking at 750 miles to quit riding wheelies , so he has to fix it himself I thought that was kinda crappy , but overall most of what I've read are guys switching and running the Honda Hp4s red bottle honda oil and going 1k mile oil change intervals with 0 issues
I havent heard of any fork seal problems on this My Speed Triple has always had fork seal leaks One wheelie and you are done They told me the same thing Hopefully I do not have fork problems
Unfortunately the upside down exposed fork legs on the CRF will take way more cleaning that the conventional fork on the XRL. Light years better chassis on the 450 but hard beat the rugged-ness of the XRL for conventional dual sport riding.
Most of us watching this Channel would truthfully be blissfully happy with a Kawasaki Versys X-300 and an Ivan's ECU Flash, if he does them now.
That's great thanks!
Do you have any plans on doing a how-to valve adjustment video?
Yes, soon when I get to the valve adjustment I will do a video
Taking the bike out of its parameters and using it as a light ADV bike on a 6000km trip would mean you’d have to either a) take oil with you or b) plan oil change stops.
I was told my bike was due for valve clearance adjustment at 10,000km ... and that recently ticked over so I started doing some research and realized I need shim replacements but also I read the specs and it's ment to be done at 6000km .. i noticed it really was running like a pig on the last 50kms when I took it to park up for maintenance ..I'm hoping I havnt caused any damage but I kinda doubt it ... Honda has reliable reputation with anything they they bring out from bikes boats lawnmowers n cars👍
I can understand the 600 mi oil change. It's 1 quart of oil and a very very small filter. But I use synthetic and do the 1000 mi
and a gasket
I Bought a CRF250R in a 2006 year with a kickstarter engine only .....GREAT BIKE and after 6-700 ours of job I change piston and belowe .... after 5 years and much fun off road riding YES I'm not a PILOT but these Bike are PERFECT ///// That's all,
So YOU ARE RIGHT!
Singles are easy to work on
Honda is so overzealous with oil change intervals. I have a 2021 Honda rubicon 520. It is a gutless, stone age ohv engine that's been around in different forms for decades. That thing could go its entire life on the original oil.... But my maintenance schedule still says oil changes every 1000km or 600 miles. It's insane. I know they are just covering their butts, however there is no way this detuned 450 engine will blow up if it doesn't get weekly oil changes like Honda suggests.
I agree My friend has a 2010 450 that has never even had the valves looked at Just gas and ride Still runs
Loving the Speed Triple 😉
it's a race-derived motor, and even at the 600mi interval, folk are finding>5% gasoline content mixed into their oil. Personally i change it as oil is cheap and I'm not interested in running gas in my oil as it's absolutely going to grenade bearings eventually. Not to mention the transmission shares the same diluted oil...
I got this thing dialed in now
your doing a great job on this video, however, I will say this, The KLR is an adventure bike this is a Dual sport, two different bikes, I do like the angle, you are using to see it. I want one, bUt the KLR is totally different. Just saying, I would not take my KLR on a single track, I want this bike for a single track if that makes sense. With that said I have rode half way across the country on back roads on my KLR, I would not even try that on this one. Not being negative, just saying it is not eve similar. Kinda like comparing it to a BWM Adventure, its just a different platform.
I know what you are saying and the KLR is not really a dual sport
Great vid ! - In my pinion - If ya know u RIDE Red !
I lived in Vegas for 20 years and rode everywhere there. Is the trail from red rock loop to Pahrump and over wheeler pass still open to ride. Loved that trip. And want to move back there next year..
I retired LV and am now looking at maybe getting a bike and seeing some scenery. Looking at DR650 and 450L.
Would you buy a 450L if the guy told you he just doubled or tripled the Honda recommendations?
If I had that bike, first piston change I would put the TRX piston with 3 rings...
What about the rebuild on the motor/ piston at 20,000 miles?
Yikes !
I’m following a fellow riding around the world on a CRF450L. He’s just been in Australia and recently passed 77,000 totally reliable km with routine maintenance but longer interval oil changes. Forget about the crazy manufacturers recommendations.
I started on a KLR (perfect beginner) as an ADV guy, realized how much I love the dirt and moved to an XR650L (great!). Rented a 501 for my first Baja rally, loved the performance but fear the reliability. Now I'm asking myself: do I rally the XR or buy the CRF?
I love this bike now that I have it sorted
I'd rally the xr, it'll get you further for less.
Hey there
Can you please tell me what enduro/dualsport bike is the most lowest maintenance and reliable, the one that never breaks down. I don't care about features like power, how it handles or how heavy it is. I just want one to take it to the woods once a week and have some fun. Thanks
Anything Japanese especially Honda
What windscreen are you using?
Still thinking about what to get. For me, maybe the maintenance really wouldn't be that big of a deal. The height, for me, is a little high. I am 6'1" with a ~33" inseam from crotch to ground. But I am older, 67, and have little to no calf muscles so that's a problem.
Good things are it's light for picking up and no need to change the suspension as it's already good. A DR650 would probably need that done. I have no bike at the moment and it has been many years. What to get to get back into riding? I am in Las Vegas so looking to enjoy some desert dirt/sand/possibly rocky (not too hard!) roads. I have been thinking strongly about a DR650 but still seems a bit big and heavy.
Good thinking mate. I have 2 DR650's, one set up for adv and one lowered and lightened as a street legal dirt bike.
Both have excellent ($$$) suspension mods and are excellent. But the adv version is heavy and a pain to pick up. It is an excellent all around dual sport with nice power. The lightened version is a rocket but required major surgery to lose weight.
I'm looking at the CRF 450L as a replacement for both. I am 6'-4" and 68 years old so I ride slower and don't need the power of a tuned 650, I do want light. The stock DR suspension is okay for street riding but plan on $1,500 minimum to make the suspension good. It will always be heavy. The DR was designed to be easy to lower 1.5" and that is a bonus.
@@JagLite It's a tough call. The CRF450RL has some quirks that many aren't fond of either. It's a bit light for the windy freeway but being light is good off road. I have been looking at that as well but it depends also on what you want to do with it. It may not be the right tool.
I’m 5’9” and about 210. The suspension on the RL really squats and it’s enough to get the balls of my feet on the ground. I did order a Seat Concepts comfort low just to be a little more planted but I do not foresee any reason to lower this RL
I just bought a few months ago a 2002 honda xr650r to convert to street legal. What do you think is better. The 450l or 650r? I went with 650r because of all the issues people had when 450l came out with ecu etc and having to spend several thousand more on aftermarket fixes. I also chose xr650R over the xr650L because of the power and baja proven. I am 6ft 1 220lbs. If you think the 450l is better I would like to know why and would consider switching. Thank you
I think the 450RL is better. It comes with flaws, but those can be fixed easily but not cheaply. The 450RL is 2022 updated tech ( frame etc ) the 650 is running on 15 year old tech if not longer that is harder to fix The upside of the 450 is so much better but you pay twice as much for that privledge
Awesome video
Thanks!
How about the eu version - can oilchanges be stretched further when it only has approx 28hp (cant remember the exact number)
You poor guys in the EU with that sad restriction to 28 hp. You really need to get the American version ECU and get what you paid for out of the CRF!
Am I making a mistake choosing a 2022 CRF450L over a 2022 FE501?
no Hondas are rock solid The Honda is way better on the road
I found a 2019 witn 247 miles for less than 8k and considering pulling the trigger..want a light weight adventure bike to take places my tenere can't go...
I would do that Does it have any mods
@@BornAGoon no bone stock..I could seriously upgrade and still be a couple gran less than new
How long do you think that bike will last in miles before a rebuild in other words longevity
Probably 25,000
@@BornAGoon I'm looking at that bike right now to by
600 miles of.single track change the oil.... 1500 miles of highway then change it but single track I wouldn't go over 600
Hmm, didn't know Martin Short reviewed motorcycles.
What about full rebuild at 19k miles
I dont think thats necessary John Young on RUclips has 25k+ on his I don't think he touched the bottom end Also I have friends still riding 2003 CR 250s without ever touching bottom ends Honda are just built like no other bike
@@BornAGoon It might not be necessary at 19k miles, but since you mention riders coming from adventure bikes I think it's important to at least mention on this as well. I currently have a crf300 which is definitely underpowered but I ride about 20 000 kms (12 000 miles) a year so if anyone is considering this bike for long-term adventure riding it's definitely a big cost to think about as well.
I had crf250x and honda "recommended" to rebuild the engine every 25mth. I did 170mth and the piston was just a tiny bit below spec. I didn't babysit this bike, I rode it full throttle 24/7 not even letting off for upshift. I had this bike for 8years. So this recommended maintenance intervals are called recommended for a reason.
What is the oil capacity?
1.2 liter
I’ve got a 2022 crf450rl.. I’m coming from a 2016 crf250r.. when I seen people complaint about the jerky throttle I didn’t see a problem with it.. since it is a race bike for the street.. I like the jerky part of it.. I can’t tell it tho.. but that’s what I wanted a dual sport that could pop of when I needed it because I like riding trails.. I just ordered my fmf q4 and getting my vortex and gonna do the air expansion.. but other then that I mean it all stock it still is a great bike
Let me know how the mods go. I didn't think the jerkiness was bad at first, but the more I ride it, the worse it feels
I’ve done full exhaust with a dynojet since I bought the bike. I’m getting the AIM ecu. Ordered last week can’t wait for it to get in. I’ve put lowering links 1.5 because I’m short and almost would fall over at red lights lol. I’ve changed grips, bars, did the thermostat delete with SD power hiuse. For my riding the aim will work well. I have one brother that has a AIM on his husky 501 and another brother that had a GET on his ktm. After doing research and watching the aim videos you and others have put up. I like what the aim offers and want it. I don’t care for endro I don’t normally do that hard riding but everything now and then. I want the bottom end it gives. I do road to trails. That’s it. I did the Smokey mountain 500 last year and it was great. I don’t want a too much “adventure bike” but like to keep it dual sport. Anyways I would deffently buy the 450rl again. I love it
Didn’t really touch on the flameout issues!!
Yes I have a dozen other videos on the channel about the flamouts
No one ever ruined an engine by putting fresh correct spec oil in it.
Like come on people … “It’s a Honda” the company of this bike got us a “Dirt Bike” for the street! 😂❤
I gotta stop watching these videos and reading the comments - I quite fancy the 450RL now.... and I don't worry about services so much now after learning how to do a lot of stuff myself
I just put in the Athena GET ECU and did a vid on it It frickin screams I love this thing
Going by my new bike trips...that's 2 x oil changes a DAY...1st trip is usually to the south of France, 800mile days?
Honestly, I wouldn't change it but every 1000 miles still sucks but to me its worth it
@@BornAGoon Current new bike, a Yamaha Tracer7 came out of my kitchen (where it sat since delivery last October),less than 2 weeks ago, and as I'm unjabbed, I can't go anywhere, has done,just under 1000miles already just in Argyll, Scotland, I'm changing the oil myself as the dealer has such a service backlog, and our summers are short... I'll get it's 1st dealer check done after summer!
Mine did 100k zero maintenance just gas in top
My honda cbr is first oil change at 600 then the next at like 8000. It's not every 600. Tbats only the initial oil change and valve check at every 24,000
That is for a CBR inline 4 sportbike not a CRF single dirt bike Two completly differend engines
You change the numbers at your advantage man…. 9:15
My problem with the crf450l is that it's a motocross bike. For street and trail, I think the drz is the better choice.
It’s not though. It’s de tuned and way calmer. Even when you open it up and do the vortex it’s still a little detuned then the moto bike. And it’s actually MORE comfortable than the drz. And has a 6 speed. I have a had all the dual sports. Drz is a good bike but it does not hold a candle to the 450l or 500exc
I had a DRZ400SM purchased from a KTM dealer that loved on this specific unit because it only had 3200 miles. Despite the Suzuki-touted counterbalancer(s), this bad boy shook like a wet canine after a swim. I did manage to sell it eventually for what I paid. Never again would I buy one.
I ride the crap out of my 450rl. I average 12,000km a year and that's quite the mix of commuting, trail riding, MX racing and some stunting.
I do follow the scheduled 1000km oil change but have to say, it's always super clean oil coming out, to the point where I can comfortably go 1500miles without issues. Also never had to actually adjust the shims yet.
This really doesn't feel much different from the 250l in terms of maintenance, just a little more frequently, and it really gives you peace of mind. Plus it's practically no oil, which blows my mind.
These Hondas never break
How much km does you Honda have now? I am thinking of buying one.
so people on the internet told you so, therefore it must be true lol. Please tell me people are not taking this guy seriously
Book says complete rebuild of rotating assembly after 20k ...no thanks ill buy t7
Honda can't make a crappie motorcycle........? Allow me to introduce you to the honda asscot.
Takes 5 minutes for a oil change. Don't be so lazy.
"Uh lotta difernt political weasons..." @2:30
'Nuff said. I'm out.
always political