Well perhaps he had or has problems but I keep looking at his wife and kids -- especially his wife -- and they always look so clean, well fed, well clothed, hair done super nice, energetic, etc... I again really keep looking at the wife. Hmmm. So usually when the man is a psycho the wife isn't so -- healthy and vibrant because after he gets the kids to meet his, let's say needs and wants, the wife becomes disposable. However in the willis case the wife was totally not disposable. Do I think he had issues yes. But how severe? Define "rape" exactly? I suspect he was mostly a great provider and father who occasionally hit his kids, went overboard with physical punishment and fondled his daughters. Very sad. In the sick corrupt state of arizona the authorities would have put the wife in prison and given the father the children. That's wrong and corrupt. In any case, I think Tobys mistakes are now the only thing many people see while they don't look at all the proof he also did a lot right. Plus the way all family members were so healthy, especially the wife who'd usually have become disposable (I mean usually even the older girls would take the mother's place for house keeping and child care if Toby was a total narcissist or sociopath) it shows that perhaps he also had a decent side. Perhaps if the family had been able to get help a long time ago he could have been different. However if they'd tried to get help all those kids would have been abused and utterly destroyed in the foster care system (I.e. all counselors, doctors, etc are mandated reporters). There's was thus no good solution in reality even in the past.... Btw yes I know the family was on stage and in a reality show so they HAD to keep up appearances. That does not explain how Toby kept his wife in such good shape instead if just beating and running her into the ground and replacing her once he got the kids before the family became famous. It still does not explain the good physical conditions all the kids were in before they became famous. Total untreatable narcissists and sociopaths who abuse severely (out of control) in the home absolutely destroy the wife and replace her like used up toilet paper. They abuse children in such ways that there's damage in some of the kids that can't be hidden. They're very good explaining the damage they've caused that's obvious and thus they get away with it but the disposable wife and kid or two is the norm -- not in tact family, everyone sparkling healthy and capable of consistent happy looking performance. Not keep the same wife and she's in great shape for 25 or more years. Even if the narcissist or sociopath doesn't fully replace the wife with the kids hes gotten from her he will replace her with a younger woman, have more kids, repeat endlessly. Huge inconsistency in saying Toby was a complete monster with no hope for change if treatment and education without the kids going into foster care had existed in the USA.
@@armpitification no I am not defending him exactly. I'm staying he had good traits and bad traits. I'm staying that the problem is the total lack of services that actually work, which led to him being able to continue his bad behavior over the years. As he continued his bad behavior that behavior got more and more extreme. In the end he went to prison and now everyone is completely demonizing him like he was and is the worst predator on the planet. In reality there are far worse predators all over the place who literally have no good traits beyond their ability to charm and lie to perpetuate their abuse within the home. This guy actually had good mixed in with bad. Had he not been able to embrace and continue the bad there's a very high chance he would never have molested and battered his children. However there are others who would and continue to batter and molest children regardless. There are no effective services for either type or their victims though. So in the end those who could have gone a different path like this guy don't. Then if their caught people focus in demonizing them. Those that would not choose a different path no matter what -- well their a lot more charming and covert, they fully understand their options, they just continue abuse, far worse abuse actually, destroying and eliminating the opposition within their homes (the non abusive spouse where applicable) and literally no one cares because they're so charming. There are no advancements in understanding. There are no advancements in services, public awareness, assistance from neighbors or family, etc. All there is is waiting till the guys like this get caught and focus on demonizing them like they reached high school age and went out looking to create a family to abuse. A guy like this didn't start out with that agenda. The other type did -- literally had fantasies about it even before they grew up, but there are still no advancements or help for all of their many victims. But go ahead and keep your focus on demonizing this guy like he was born a sociopath and continue focusing on how I'm defending him while somewhere in your neighborhood there's probably one who is far worse yet charming, one who was this way in grade school or high school already -- honing the craft of abuse and how to methodically get away with it, cold blooded without any fear, incapable of remorse, and his family which he is torturing. It'll continue because people have no clue.
Well perhaps he had or has problems but I keep looking at his wife and kids -- especially his wife -- and they always look so clean, well fed, well clothed, hair done super nice, energetic, etc... I again really keep looking at the wife. Hmmm. So usually when the man is a psycho the wife isn't so -- healthy and vibrant because after he gets the kids to meet his, let's say needs and wants, the wife becomes disposable. However in the willis case the wife was totally not disposable. Do I think he had issues yes. But how severe? Define "rape" exactly? I suspect he was mostly a great provider and father who occasionally hit his kids, went overboard with physical punishment and fondled his daughters. Very sad. In the sick corrupt state of arizona the authorities would have put the wife in prison and given the father the children. That's wrong and corrupt. In any case, I think Tobys mistakes are now the only thing many people see while they don't look at all the proof he also did a lot right. Plus the way all family members were so healthy, especially the wife who'd usually have become disposable (I mean usually even the older girls would take the mother's place for house keeping and child care if Toby was a total narcissist or sociopath) it shows that perhaps he also had a decent side. Perhaps if the family had been able to get help a long time ago he could have been different. However if they'd tried to get help all those kids would have been abused and utterly destroyed in the foster care system (I.e. all counselors, doctors, etc are mandated reporters). There's was thus no good solution in reality even in the past.... Btw yes I know the family was on stage and in a reality show so they HAD to keep up appearances. That does not explain how Toby kept his wife in such good shape instead if just beating and running her into the ground and replacing her once he got the kids before the family became famous. It still does not explain the good physical conditions all the kids were in before they became famous. Total untreatable narcissists and sociopaths who abuse severely (out of control) in the home absolutely destroy the wife and replace her like used up toilet paper. They abuse children in such ways that there's damage in some of the kids that can't be hidden. They're very good explaining the damage they've caused that's obvious and thus they get away with it but the disposable wife and kid or two is the norm -- not in tact family, everyone sparkling healthy and capable of consistent happy looking performance. Not keep the same wife and she's in great shape for 25 or more years. Even if the narcissist or sociopath doesn't fully replace the wife with the kids hes gotten from her he will replace her with a younger woman, have more kids, repeat endlessly. Huge inconsistency in saying Toby was a complete monster with no hope for change if treatment and education without the kids going into foster care had existed in the USA. What's going on in other families? Things a lot worse in many cases -- you can probably put the scenarios together and those scenarios are not a physically healthy in tact family with opportunities for each family member to learn skills like playing all kinds of instruments, perform, have close relationship of any kind with all siblings and both parents (especially the non abusive parent as the abuser often gets rid of her once he's gotten his wife replacements out of her), live on a pretty property for 20 plus years, etc.
I’m so grateful that this stuff doesn’t happen in my family , I’m the only guy and I have all girl cousins . Not once have I ever thought about doing some dumb shit
Aside from Toby's immorality, who stores 10000 photos in a "fire safe" ahead of a fire? Not only would he benefit from the insurance money but by losing all their clothes and sentimental possessions (and Christmas gifts) the kids would be that much more controlled, broken and dependent.
Toby isn’t the only evil one. Brenda (the mother) knew about the abuse and did nothing. She was a good Christian and 'forgave' him. In her book, Jessica describes giving her mother a long 10+ page letter about the assaults. The family’s statement post-arrest falsely claimed that Brenda was “shocked” by the revelations. She was only shocked that Jessica overcame her brainwashing and put a stop to it. Good for Jessica for singing solo and keeping distance from her mother. Her siblings were actually mad at her for notifying the police! So sick.
Think again. Perhaps he had or has problems but I keep looking at his wife and kids -- especially his wife -- and they always look so clean, well fed, well clothed, hair done super nice, energetic, etc... I again really keep looking at the wife. Hmmm. So usually when the man is a psycho the wife isn't so -- healthy and vibrant because after he gets the kids to meet his, let's say needs and wants, the wife becomes disposable. However in the willis case the wife was totally not disposable. Do I think he had issues yes. But how severe? Define "rape" exactly? I suspect he was mostly a great provider and father who occasionally hit his kids, went overboard with physical punishment and fondled his daughters. Very sad. In the sick corrupt state of arizona the authorities would have put the wife in prison and given the father the children. That's wrong and corrupt. In any case, I think Tobys mistakes are now the only thing many people see while they don't look at all the proof he also did a lot right. Plus the way all family members were so healthy, especially the wife who'd usually have become disposable (I mean usually even the older girls would take the mother's place for house keeping and child care if Toby was a total narcissist or sociopath) it shows that perhaps he also had a decent side. Perhaps if the family had been able to get help a long time ago he could have been different. However if they'd tried to get help all those kids would have been abused and utterly destroyed in the foster care system (I.e. all counselors, doctors, etc are mandated reporters). There's was thus no good solution in reality even in the past.... Btw yes I know the family was on stage and in a reality show so they HAD to keep up appearances. That does not explain how Toby kept his wife in such good shape instead if just beating and running her into the ground and replacing her once he got the kids before the family became famous. It still does not explain the good physical conditions all the kids were in before they became famous. Total untreatable narcissists and sociopaths who abuse severely (out of control) in the home absolutely destroy the wife and replace her like used up toilet paper. They abuse children in such ways that there's damage in some of the kids that can't be hidden. They're very good explaining the damage they've caused that's obvious and thus they get away with it but the disposable wife and kid or two is the norm -- not in tact family, everyone sparkling healthy and capable of consistent happy looking performance. Not keep the same wife and she's in great shape for 25 or more years. Even if the narcissist or sociopath doesn't fully replace the wife with the kids hes gotten from her he will replace her with a younger woman, have more kids, repeat endlessly. Huge inconsistency in saying Toby was a complete monster with no hope for change if treatment and education without the kids going into foster care had existed in the USA. What's going on in other families? Things a lot worse in many cases -- you can probably put the scenarios together and those scenarios are not a physically healthy in tact family with opportunities for each family member to learn skills like playing all kinds of instruments, perform, have close relationship of any kind with all siblings and both parents (especially the non abusive parent as the abuser often gets rid of her once he's gotten his wife replacements out of her), live on a pretty property for 20 plus years, etc.
@@oliviamartini9700 one last thing olivia: those really bad ones I'm sure you'll ignore that facts of ----- they do NOT allow all of their children and their spouse to have a close bond and relationship because United they stand but divided they fall. Bad monster needs to have total control so he will constantly manipulate discord within his family unit. Golden child and scapegoat being 2 such categories. Etc.
‘Our kids are socially well adjusted’ - hmm from Jessica’s statement about how their dad controlled who they could and couldn’t talk to and the fact it took 20yrs before she realised what he did to her was wrong I find it very hard to believe they were socially adjusted and new much about life or close relationships outside of their family bubble.
You might want to take a long look at 'll your normal looking neighbors, especially the husband on the block with a second or third wife and new kids with said replacement wife... Seriously. The willis family didn't even begin to follow the darkest patterns that exist all around us. Perhaps he had or has problems but I keep looking at his wife and kids -- especially his wife -- and they always look so clean, well fed, well clothed, hair done super nice, energetic, etc... I again really keep looking at the wife. Hmmm. So usually when the man is a psycho the wife isn't so -- healthy and vibrant because after he gets the kids to meet his, let's say needs and wants, the wife becomes disposable. However in the willis case the wife was totally not disposable. Do I think he had issues yes. But how severe? Define "rape" exactly? I suspect he was mostly a great provider and father who occasionally hit his kids, went overboard with physical punishment and fondled his daughters. Very sad. In the sick corrupt state of arizona the authorities would have put the wife in prison and given the father the children. That's wrong and corrupt. In any case, I think Tobys mistakes are now the only thing many people see while they don't look at all the proof he also did a lot right. Plus the way all family members were so healthy, especially the wife who'd usually have become disposable (I mean usually even the older girls would take the mother's place for house keeping and child care if Toby was a total narcissist or sociopath) it shows that perhaps he also had a decent side. Perhaps if the family had been able to get help a long time ago he could have been different. However if they'd tried to get help all those kids would have been abused and utterly destroyed in the foster care system (I.e. all counselors, doctors, etc are mandated reporters). There's was thus no good solution in reality even in the past.... Btw yes I know the family was on stage and in a reality show so they HAD to keep up appearances. That does not explain how Toby kept his wife in such good shape instead if just beating and running her into the ground and replacing her once he got the kids before the family became famous. It still does not explain the good physical conditions all the kids were in before they became famous. Total untreatable narcissists and sociopaths who abuse severely (out of control) in the home absolutely destroy the wife and replace her like used up toilet paper. They abuse children in such ways that there's damage in some of the kids that can't be hidden. They're very good explaining the damage they've caused that's obvious and thus they get away with it but the disposable wife and kid or two is the norm -- not in tact family, everyone sparkling healthy and capable of consistent happy looking performance. Not keep the same wife and she's in great shape for 25 or more years. Even if the narcissist or sociopath doesn't fully replace the wife with the kids hes gotten from her he will replace her with a younger woman, have more kids, repeat endlessly. Huge inconsistency in saying Toby was a complete monster with no hope for change if treatment and education without the kids going into foster care had existed in the USA. What's going on in other families? Things a lot worse in many cases -- you can probably put the scenarios together and those scenarios are not a physically healthy in tact family with opportunities for each family member to learn skills like playing all kinds of instruments, perform, have close relationship of any kind with all siblings and both parents (especially the non abusive parent as the abuser often gets rid of her once he's gotten his wife replacements out of her), live on a pretty property for 20 plus years, etc.
They are incredibly well adjusted. Families that come out of rape and abuse are usually a huge mess and are unable to cope. Their foundation and values and their love to each other has helped them stand strong. One of the most admirable families to be quiet honest!
@@oliviamartini9700 indeed on the copy and paste. Not so on the other. 1) I have no time to custom type comments when the exact same info is the reality. 2) sick as he. No. I used to profie predators. Understand them and the system better than you do. I quit because the truth is pointless, states/counties have no effective services, public wants no reality, predators who could be rehabilitated/have good traits get hanged, predators who have no good traits other than they're ability to lie stay free and abuse worse over time. It's all bs. So I walked out on profiling these guys. Go ahead and embrace ignorance while the real unsaveagable monsters, those that do as I said, keep collecting additional families destroying all. It's fine. The nastiest group is actually growing in numbers due to what makes them that way plus how cluelessness keeps them free.
Interesting tidbit. This old farmhouse and property they filmed this show at is Ghost Ranch, It’s where Upchurch lives now. Place sat empty for years after this show until he bought it. According to him and people that visit it has a super weird energy and is haunted as shit. No wonder why knowing now the creepy evil shit that went on there. #creeksquad🤟
That's exactly what I thought! I mean, like now- after we know what he has done to them (especially to the six older ones) all those years, every good thing he say about his family I immidiately think that there's also something bad there behind the good way he try to presemt himself. Also, eberytime I hear any of the six older kids talk about him, Immidiately I think that maybe he told them to say that about him because it's obviasly not so true (or even not true AT ALL), so I'm really glad he finally got what he deserve and that now he's on jail, very far away from those innocent kids!
I’ve been researching sexual assault for 20 years. It’s not unusual for partners to prioritize their marriage/relationship and family lifestye over protecting the kids. On the reality series “Intervention,” there were more than a few cases of addicts being reprimanded for making up “lies” about being raped by mom’s boyfriend when they were teens. And of course, institutions like schools and churches often cover up or mismanage these crimes to protect their reputations.
@@christianramirez9303 So then, "god", is not all powerful? Weird, christians tell everyone all the time that "god" is exactly that. Guess he cant stop child rape though.
Alguien me podría por favor decir cómo me puedo ver esta serie en audio latino o al menos en castellano a través de qué plataforma o por qué canal de televisión la transmiten
I just cringed when Toby said his wife was his "guilty pleasure." When in reality it was his daughters. Beyond SICK. So glad he's in jail.
Anne Fitzgerald Brenda was a victim as well
Yup
Well perhaps he had or has problems but I keep looking at his wife and kids -- especially his wife -- and they always look so clean, well fed, well clothed, hair done super nice, energetic, etc... I again really keep looking at the wife. Hmmm. So usually when the man is a psycho the wife isn't so -- healthy and vibrant because after he gets the kids to meet his, let's say needs and wants, the wife becomes disposable. However in the willis case the wife was totally not disposable. Do I think he had issues yes. But how severe? Define "rape" exactly? I suspect he was mostly a great provider and father who occasionally hit his kids, went overboard with physical punishment and fondled his daughters. Very sad. In the sick corrupt state of arizona the authorities would have put the wife in prison and given the father the children. That's wrong and corrupt. In any case, I think Tobys mistakes are now the only thing many people see while they don't look at all the proof he also did a lot right. Plus the way all family members were so healthy, especially the wife who'd usually have become disposable (I mean usually even the older girls would take the mother's place for house keeping and child care if Toby was a total narcissist or sociopath) it shows that perhaps he also had a decent side. Perhaps if the family had been able to get help a long time ago he could have been different. However if they'd tried to get help all those kids would have been abused and utterly destroyed in the foster care system (I.e. all counselors, doctors, etc are mandated reporters). There's was thus no good solution in reality even in the past.... Btw yes I know the family was on stage and in a reality show so they HAD to keep up appearances. That does not explain how Toby kept his wife in such good shape instead if just beating and running her into the ground and replacing her once he got the kids before the family became famous. It still does not explain the good physical conditions all the kids were in before they became famous. Total untreatable narcissists and sociopaths who abuse severely (out of control) in the home absolutely destroy the wife and replace her like used up toilet paper. They abuse children in such ways that there's damage in some of the kids that can't be hidden. They're very good explaining the damage they've caused that's obvious and thus they get away with it but the disposable wife and kid or two is the norm -- not in tact family, everyone sparkling healthy and capable of consistent happy looking performance. Not keep the same wife and she's in great shape for 25 or more years. Even if the narcissist or sociopath doesn't fully replace the wife with the kids hes gotten from her he will replace her with a younger woman, have more kids, repeat endlessly. Huge inconsistency in saying Toby was a complete monster with no hope for change if treatment and education without the kids going into foster care had existed in the USA.
@@mysticbengals521 are you seriously defending him? Wow. You’re just as much trash as he is.
@@armpitification no I am not defending him exactly. I'm staying he had good traits and bad traits. I'm staying that the problem is the total lack of services that actually work, which led to him being able to continue his bad behavior over the years. As he continued his bad behavior that behavior got more and more extreme. In the end he went to prison and now everyone is completely demonizing him like he was and is the worst predator on the planet. In reality there are far worse predators all over the place who literally have no good traits beyond their ability to charm and lie to perpetuate their abuse within the home. This guy actually had good mixed in with bad. Had he not been able to embrace and continue the bad there's a very high chance he would never have molested and battered his children. However there are others who would and continue to batter and molest children regardless. There are no effective services for either type or their victims though. So in the end those who could have gone a different path like this guy don't. Then if their caught people focus in demonizing them. Those that would not choose a different path no matter what -- well their a lot more charming and covert, they fully understand their options, they just continue abuse, far worse abuse actually, destroying and eliminating the opposition within their homes (the non abusive spouse where applicable) and literally no one cares because they're so charming. There are no advancements in understanding. There are no advancements in services, public awareness, assistance from neighbors or family, etc. All there is is waiting till the guys like this get caught and focus on demonizing them like they reached high school age and went out looking to create a family to abuse. A guy like this didn't start out with that agenda. The other type did -- literally had fantasies about it even before they grew up, but there are still no advancements or help for all of their many victims. But go ahead and keep your focus on demonizing this guy like he was born a sociopath and continue focusing on how I'm defending him while somewhere in your neighborhood there's probably one who is far worse yet charming, one who was this way in grade school or high school already -- honing the craft of abuse and how to methodically get away with it, cold blooded without any fear, incapable of remorse, and his family which he is torturing. It'll continue because people have no clue.
If a family like this can go through all of what they went through
Imagine what’s going on in other families *shiver*
Well perhaps he had or has problems but I keep looking at his wife and kids -- especially his wife -- and they always look so clean, well fed, well clothed, hair done super nice, energetic, etc... I again really keep looking at the wife. Hmmm. So usually when the man is a psycho the wife isn't so -- healthy and vibrant because after he gets the kids to meet his, let's say needs and wants, the wife becomes disposable. However in the willis case the wife was totally not disposable. Do I think he had issues yes. But how severe? Define "rape" exactly? I suspect he was mostly a great provider and father who occasionally hit his kids, went overboard with physical punishment and fondled his daughters. Very sad. In the sick corrupt state of arizona the authorities would have put the wife in prison and given the father the children. That's wrong and corrupt. In any case, I think Tobys mistakes are now the only thing many people see while they don't look at all the proof he also did a lot right. Plus the way all family members were so healthy, especially the wife who'd usually have become disposable (I mean usually even the older girls would take the mother's place for house keeping and child care if Toby was a total narcissist or sociopath) it shows that perhaps he also had a decent side. Perhaps if the family had been able to get help a long time ago he could have been different. However if they'd tried to get help all those kids would have been abused and utterly destroyed in the foster care system (I.e. all counselors, doctors, etc are mandated reporters). There's was thus no good solution in reality even in the past.... Btw yes I know the family was on stage and in a reality show so they HAD to keep up appearances. That does not explain how Toby kept his wife in such good shape instead if just beating and running her into the ground and replacing her once he got the kids before the family became famous. It still does not explain the good physical conditions all the kids were in before they became famous. Total untreatable narcissists and sociopaths who abuse severely (out of control) in the home absolutely destroy the wife and replace her like used up toilet paper. They abuse children in such ways that there's damage in some of the kids that can't be hidden. They're very good explaining the damage they've caused that's obvious and thus they get away with it but the disposable wife and kid or two is the norm -- not in tact family, everyone sparkling healthy and capable of consistent happy looking performance. Not keep the same wife and she's in great shape for 25 or more years. Even if the narcissist or sociopath doesn't fully replace the wife with the kids hes gotten from her he will replace her with a younger woman, have more kids, repeat endlessly. Huge inconsistency in saying Toby was a complete monster with no hope for change if treatment and education without the kids going into foster care had existed in the USA. What's going on in other families? Things a lot worse in many cases -- you can probably put the scenarios together and those scenarios are not a physically healthy in tact family with opportunities for each family member to learn skills like playing all kinds of instruments, perform, have close relationship of any kind with all siblings and both parents (especially the non abusive parent as the abuser often gets rid of her once he's gotten his wife replacements out of her), live on a pretty property for 20 plus years, etc.
They all went along with it. Why!
Sure, but it doesn't help to be paranoid.
That’s why they say… If you see something, say something.
I’m so grateful that this stuff doesn’t happen in my family , I’m the only guy and I have all girl cousins . Not once have I ever thought about doing some dumb shit
10:06 He wants to give us what he couldn't give to his siblings.
Oh lord pls let it not be wht I think it is.
Spoiler: It is!
Miss these young people and their music. So talented. These kids are in my prayers.
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Who knew the dad was a rapist, they all seemed too happy to be true
Willis father crimes:
Rape, incest, abuse
The rejected kiss at 4:18 is telling...
"He wants to give us what he couldnt hive to his siblings" ok.
Honestly its a bit creepy ti watch when you know what happened
So many kids with J names?! Just like the Duggers? Weird. Is that some secret sign?!
Aside from Toby's immorality, who stores 10000 photos in a "fire safe" ahead of a fire? Not only would he benefit from the insurance money but by losing all their clothes and sentimental possessions (and Christmas gifts) the kids would be that much more controlled, broken and dependent.
Toby isn’t the only evil one. Brenda (the mother) knew about the abuse and did nothing. She was a good Christian and 'forgave' him. In her book, Jessica describes giving her mother a long 10+ page letter about the assaults. The family’s statement post-arrest falsely claimed that Brenda was “shocked” by the revelations. She was only shocked that Jessica overcame her brainwashing and put a stop to it. Good for Jessica for singing solo and keeping distance from her mother. Her siblings were actually mad at her for notifying the police! So sick.
This 100%❤
10:01 ughhh!!!
They are all running to that devil!!! 👿😡
Poor girls😔
:(
Think again. Perhaps he had or has problems but I keep looking at his wife and kids -- especially his wife -- and they always look so clean, well fed, well clothed, hair done super nice, energetic, etc... I again really keep looking at the wife. Hmmm. So usually when the man is a psycho the wife isn't so -- healthy and vibrant because after he gets the kids to meet his, let's say needs and wants, the wife becomes disposable. However in the willis case the wife was totally not disposable. Do I think he had issues yes. But how severe? Define "rape" exactly? I suspect he was mostly a great provider and father who occasionally hit his kids, went overboard with physical punishment and fondled his daughters. Very sad. In the sick corrupt state of arizona the authorities would have put the wife in prison and given the father the children. That's wrong and corrupt. In any case, I think Tobys mistakes are now the only thing many people see while they don't look at all the proof he also did a lot right. Plus the way all family members were so healthy, especially the wife who'd usually have become disposable (I mean usually even the older girls would take the mother's place for house keeping and child care if Toby was a total narcissist or sociopath) it shows that perhaps he also had a decent side. Perhaps if the family had been able to get help a long time ago he could have been different. However if they'd tried to get help all those kids would have been abused and utterly destroyed in the foster care system (I.e. all counselors, doctors, etc are mandated reporters). There's was thus no good solution in reality even in the past.... Btw yes I know the family was on stage and in a reality show so they HAD to keep up appearances. That does not explain how Toby kept his wife in such good shape instead if just beating and running her into the ground and replacing her once he got the kids before the family became famous. It still does not explain the good physical conditions all the kids were in before they became famous. Total untreatable narcissists and sociopaths who abuse severely (out of control) in the home absolutely destroy the wife and replace her like used up toilet paper. They abuse children in such ways that there's damage in some of the kids that can't be hidden. They're very good explaining the damage they've caused that's obvious and thus they get away with it but the disposable wife and kid or two is the norm -- not in tact family, everyone sparkling healthy and capable of consistent happy looking performance. Not keep the same wife and she's in great shape for 25 or more years. Even if the narcissist or sociopath doesn't fully replace the wife with the kids hes gotten from her he will replace her with a younger woman, have more kids, repeat endlessly. Huge inconsistency in saying Toby was a complete monster with no hope for change if treatment and education without the kids going into foster care had existed in the USA. What's going on in other families? Things a lot worse in many cases -- you can probably put the scenarios together and those scenarios are not a physically healthy in tact family with opportunities for each family member to learn skills like playing all kinds of instruments, perform, have close relationship of any kind with all siblings and both parents (especially the non abusive parent as the abuser often gets rid of her once he's gotten his wife replacements out of her), live on a pretty property for 20 plus years, etc.
@@mysticbengals521 JUST STOP IT. Why don't you write Toby a love letter in prison? He's single now!!!
@@oliviamartini9700 one last thing olivia: those really bad ones I'm sure you'll ignore that facts of ----- they do NOT allow all of their children and their spouse to have a close bond and relationship because United they stand but divided they fall. Bad monster needs to have total control so he will constantly manipulate discord within his family unit. Golden child and scapegoat being 2 such categories. Etc.
@@mysticbengals521you should go get some help.....quickly......
‘Our kids are socially well adjusted’ - hmm from Jessica’s statement about how their dad controlled who they could and couldn’t talk to and the fact it took 20yrs before she realised what he did to her was wrong I find it very hard to believe they were socially adjusted and new much about life or close relationships outside of their family bubble.
You might want to take a long look at 'll your normal looking neighbors, especially the husband on the block with a second or third wife and new kids with said replacement wife... Seriously. The willis family didn't even begin to follow the darkest patterns that exist all around us. Perhaps he had or has problems but I keep looking at his wife and kids -- especially his wife -- and they always look so clean, well fed, well clothed, hair done super nice, energetic, etc... I again really keep looking at the wife. Hmmm. So usually when the man is a psycho the wife isn't so -- healthy and vibrant because after he gets the kids to meet his, let's say needs and wants, the wife becomes disposable. However in the willis case the wife was totally not disposable. Do I think he had issues yes. But how severe? Define "rape" exactly? I suspect he was mostly a great provider and father who occasionally hit his kids, went overboard with physical punishment and fondled his daughters. Very sad. In the sick corrupt state of arizona the authorities would have put the wife in prison and given the father the children. That's wrong and corrupt. In any case, I think Tobys mistakes are now the only thing many people see while they don't look at all the proof he also did a lot right. Plus the way all family members were so healthy, especially the wife who'd usually have become disposable (I mean usually even the older girls would take the mother's place for house keeping and child care if Toby was a total narcissist or sociopath) it shows that perhaps he also had a decent side. Perhaps if the family had been able to get help a long time ago he could have been different. However if they'd tried to get help all those kids would have been abused and utterly destroyed in the foster care system (I.e. all counselors, doctors, etc are mandated reporters). There's was thus no good solution in reality even in the past.... Btw yes I know the family was on stage and in a reality show so they HAD to keep up appearances. That does not explain how Toby kept his wife in such good shape instead if just beating and running her into the ground and replacing her once he got the kids before the family became famous. It still does not explain the good physical conditions all the kids were in before they became famous. Total untreatable narcissists and sociopaths who abuse severely (out of control) in the home absolutely destroy the wife and replace her like used up toilet paper. They abuse children in such ways that there's damage in some of the kids that can't be hidden. They're very good explaining the damage they've caused that's obvious and thus they get away with it but the disposable wife and kid or two is the norm -- not in tact family, everyone sparkling healthy and capable of consistent happy looking performance. Not keep the same wife and she's in great shape for 25 or more years. Even if the narcissist or sociopath doesn't fully replace the wife with the kids hes gotten from her he will replace her with a younger woman, have more kids, repeat endlessly. Huge inconsistency in saying Toby was a complete monster with no hope for change if treatment and education without the kids going into foster care had existed in the USA. What's going on in other families? Things a lot worse in many cases -- you can probably put the scenarios together and those scenarios are not a physically healthy in tact family with opportunities for each family member to learn skills like playing all kinds of instruments, perform, have close relationship of any kind with all siblings and both parents (especially the non abusive parent as the abuser often gets rid of her once he's gotten his wife replacements out of her), live on a pretty property for 20 plus years, etc.
They are incredibly well adjusted. Families that come out of rape and abuse are usually a huge mess and are unable to cope. Their foundation and values and their love to each other has helped them stand strong. One of the most admirable families to be quiet honest!
@@mysticbengals521 you're just cutting and pasting at this point, you're as sick as he is. And dull and redundant.
@@oliviamartini9700 indeed on the copy and paste. Not so on the other. 1) I have no time to custom type comments when the exact same info is the reality. 2) sick as he. No. I used to profie predators. Understand them and the system better than you do. I quit because the truth is pointless, states/counties have no effective services, public wants no reality, predators who could be rehabilitated/have good traits get hanged, predators who have no good traits other than they're ability to lie stay free and abuse worse over time. It's all bs. So I walked out on profiling these guys. Go ahead and embrace ignorance while the real unsaveagable monsters, those that do as I said, keep collecting additional families destroying all. It's fine. The nastiest group is actually growing in numbers due to what makes them that way plus how cluelessness keeps them free.
@@oliviamartini9700 absolutely. The defense of the dad from Mystic is gross.
knowing what we know now if we look at all the pictures like the one above he is creepy and not smiling
Interesting tidbit. This old farmhouse and property they filmed this show at is Ghost Ranch, It’s where Upchurch lives now. Place sat empty for years after this show until he bought it. According to him and people that visit it has a super weird energy and is haunted as shit. No wonder why knowing now the creepy evil shit that went on there. #creeksquad🤟
Thanks for the uploads!
The Chipmunk version of The Willis Clan.
Can’t believe Toby says he wants to spend as much time with his kids bc of not being able to spend much time with his siblings but he blows that
That's exactly what I thought! I mean, like now- after we know what he has done to them (especially to the six older ones) all those years, every good thing he say about his family I immidiately think that there's also something bad there behind the good way he try to presemt himself. Also, eberytime I hear any of the six older kids talk about him, Immidiately I think that maybe he told them to say that about him because it's obviasly not so true (or even not true AT ALL), so I'm really glad he finally got what he deserve and that now he's on jail, very far away from those innocent kids!
amazing talented family. the girls are beautiful
You don't now the real history right?
The dad thought the girls where pretty to...
@@enriquealiaga6667 doesn’t take away from their talent
that's southern living for you.
The kid sitting down with the red guitar, lol. What the hell is he doing, because he's not playing anything.
NateM he's 6 years old
He was being abused
I’ve been researching sexual assault for 20 years. It’s not unusual for partners to prioritize their marriage/relationship and family lifestye over protecting the kids. On the reality series “Intervention,” there were more than a few cases of addicts being reprimanded for making up “lies” about being raped by mom’s boyfriend when they were teens. And of course, institutions like schools and churches often cover up or mismanage these crimes to protect their reputations.
May God Bless his victim, and his family! He is SICK!!
Why did God let that good Christian man do those things?
And the wife, she is at fault as well.
@@Kitties_are_pretty He is not a good Christian man, he probably never was, and “God” gave humans free will so it’s all on the dude.
@@christianramirez9303 So then, "god", is not all powerful? Weird, christians tell everyone all the time that "god" is exactly that. Guess he cant stop child rape though.
Alguien me podría por favor decir cómo me puedo ver esta serie en audio latino o al menos en castellano a través de qué plataforma o por qué canal de televisión la transmiten
Soon as that guy said water town Wisconsin my heart sank cause i live in Wisconsin
Emily Weitzel, hi, I'm from Mukwonago, WI!
He did it not the family
Dale Hanlon no actually it was four of his daughters and he got 40 years in prison! Simply can't understand how
He could do this to his own children!
@@nashvilletennessee3194 yup
I'm alergic to gluten too
Terrible, just terrible.