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  • @elkincampos3804
    @elkincampos3804 2 года назад +6

    By 10:31 we take {x+y=16-z, and xy=168/z} then x,y are roots the polynomial f(t)=t^2-(16-z)+168/z. With discriminant is a square (x,y integer). But discriminant(f(t))=(16-z)^2-4*168/z.
    We can assume that |z| is minimal and divides 168. Thus |z|

  • @riadsouissi
    @riadsouissi 2 года назад +12

    Easier solution: move c to the other side, cube, combine with the second equation, we get (8-c)(ab+8c)=3.7.8, we just check few cases, for each case, we get a+b=something and ab=something. Then we get quickly the same answer.

    • @hoitinleung6421
      @hoitinleung6421 2 года назад +1

      how to combine with the second equation?

  • @이승준-n4s9n
    @이승준-n4s9n 2 года назад +4

    Could have replaced (a+b) with (8-c) instead of x for easy and quick trial and error process. Thx for the creative ideas. Always enjoy watching the videos

  • @tianqilong8366
    @tianqilong8366 2 года назад +10

    that is a lot of effort😘

  • @bait6652
    @bait6652 2 года назад

    expand cubic (gets sameformula as lemma) (b+c)(8-b)(8-c)=2^3*3*7 gives u the sum of factors of 16...find triplet = 16 and solve ...very few lines. Nice that author shows a variety of techniques through his videos

  • @willbishop1355
    @willbishop1355 2 года назад +1

    Could have used more detail at the end when showing which possible values of x yielded valid solutions. On the other hand, there was no need to take the second derivative of the cubic function. From the positive leading coefficient, you can see right away that x=16/3 is the local max and x=16 is the local min.

  • @sr7821
    @sr7821 2 года назад +3

    Great explanation!

  • @nice_mf_ngl
    @nice_mf_ngl 2 года назад +1

    I am a IOQM aspirant (Indian qualifier exam for IMO) and when i saw the qsn i was like, this shit from IMO brr? Then i started solving it...

  • @neilgerace355
    @neilgerace355 2 года назад +4

    Can you please explain the bit after 10:10 with the cubic inequality?

    • @letsthinkcritically
      @letsthinkcritically  2 года назад +7

      I tried to sketch the cubic function, and by finding the turning points, it shows that the inequality can only hold for integers >= 22. The rest is trying out positive factors of 168 that is >= 22.

    • @disoriented3971
      @disoriented3971 2 года назад

      Yeah I am completely lost on that after following along everything until that point.

  • @242math
    @242math 2 года назад +1

    thanks for sharing

  • @bourhinorc1421
    @bourhinorc1421 2 года назад +4

    I'm wrong but I dont know where:
    I did it by studying mod4 (since first I knew there was smthg with cubes mod 4 and didn't want too many cases):
    X-->X³:
    0-->0
    1-->1
    2-->0
    3-->1
    The only way to get 0 mod 4 by summing 3 terms is:
    4+0+0
    3+1+0
    2+2+0
    2+1+1
    We notice that if we cube each term (mod4) we get:
    0+0+0
    1+1+0
    0+0+0
    0+1+1
    So only the first and third cases work, so a b c are even,
    I called a'=a/2 same with b and c. We get:
    a'+b'+c'=4
    a'³+b'³+c'³=1
    By studying again mod4 we see that there isnt any possibility to get 1 mod4 while satisfaying first line

    • @user-yg97f5hfvh
      @user-yg97f5hfvh 2 года назад +4

      It seems that 3³ has to be 3 mod 4

    • @matthewfeig5624
      @matthewfeig5624 2 года назад +1

      3^3 = 27 is 3 mod 4. So the third case of 3+1+0 works out mod 4 and still needs to be considered. The only solution is of this form (15, 9, -16).
      (Also there is one more way to get 0 mod 4 from summing three terms: 3+3+2. But when you look at the cubes, this case doesn't come out to zero mod 4: 3^3 + 3^3 + 2^3 = 3+3+0=2 mod 4.)

  • @DavidVonR
    @DavidVonR 2 года назад +3

    I solved this one in my head simply by guessing possibilities and checking if they work. After a couple minutes, I came up with -16, 15 and 9.

  • @nuranichandra2177
    @nuranichandra2177 2 года назад

    Brilliant

  • @yao6704
    @yao6704 2 года назад +3

    This is engineering proof

  • @兔子牙-ost
    @兔子牙-ost Год назад

    always lmo