ep18 - Avicenna Intro - - The pre-Socratic period created the spark for philosophy - With the political shift, philosophy slowed down - Then came the monotheistic religions dumping the fire of philosophy Avicenna - Intro - Stirred up the fire of philosophy again - 950AD - A culture of people where one of their top priorities was collecting the world's knowledge - They wanted the entire world's knowledge translated into Arabic - Islamic golden age - mathematics, medicine, architecture, science and philosophy - While Europe was experiencing the dark ages - Divided into 2 chunks, * Pre-Avicenna - Commentaries on Aristotle * Post-Avicenna - Commentaries on Avicenna - Born in modern-day - Uzbekistan - Heavily influenced by Aristotle - Reads Aristotle - He heals Aristotle to be compatible with Islam Flying man thought experiment - Disagreed on the relationship between mind and body - Aristotle says mind and body are one, inseparable - But he says mind and body are separate - Examine if you robbed of your senses and your body separated, you would still know you exist - Thought experiment to philosophers is what hammers are to carpenters
Rene Descartes - "I think therefore I am" Q. Is what Avicenna true? Does the thought experiment flying man thought experiment really make it impossible for the body and mind to be inseparable?
I think the only way that the body and mind can be separate is that the idea of the shape of your thoughts and memories can be considered to be "you", but the meat that shape has to manifest in is very necessary
Avicenna is in the Arabic philosophy canon because he wrote in Arabic. Every work that is written in Arabic is considered Arabic philosophy. I don't know which part you are referring but the confusion probably comes from this. Just writing so others who read this comment learns. You don't have to be Arabian to be an Arabic philosopher, lot's of non-Arabian people at the time wrote in Arabic.
His flying man thought experiment doesn't sound very convincing to me. He basically saying, "imagine you were born into the world as a disembodied mind, this shows that minds are separate from their bodies". That's like saying"imagine a pink elephant, this shows that elephants are pink". Even within the context of the thought experiment, you do have a body, and just because you are unaware of your body doesn't mean you are separate from the body.
yess exactly you put my thoughts into words. I couldnt quite figure out why I couldnt find the logic within this experiment but this made so much sense. thank you
21:35, if I may, Decarte's drama is not "I think, thus I am" rather: ";I doubt thus I think, I think therefore I am". The difference is crucial. in the full version, it is an rebellion against the mighty catholic church, (which, as we know now, revenged by poisoning him in the Swedish queen's church, a few years later),. What's in it? Dubito (I doubt) replacing Credo (I believe), Cogito (I think) (replacing "I blindly follow"?), I AM (man's existence as a starting point of knowledge) rather than the gaze at the Trinity, and its representatives on earth. Thus decarte's breakthrough is not so much about the nature of Being (onthology) or of Knowlede (epistemology) but about the road map, where does knowledge begin, how does it proceed, what is valid, etc, not on a Tabula Rasa, but as a breaking free from the heavy chains of the Catholic church since many centuries. The Zero origin of hs Cartesian coordinates as to researching reality is therefore not accepted dogmas and god, but the human doubt, ergo cognition, ergo existence. That's not simply clever, it is brave and daring, dangerous in its times, etc,. On the line of Copernicus and Galileo, metaphorically: So what is the center and what is turning, what is turning around what?
Avicenna’s flying man experiment is a good thought but could never be done in real life as far as I know....the mind is a part of our body and will cease to exist when we die (as far as we can tell). I’ve never talked to a ghost and would change my opinion if I ever do.
Sorry man, I just started listening to your podcast (great work, btw) with the Epicurus episide, for the purposes of my own study. I couldn't help but notice as I flicked through your amazing library that you called Avicenna 'Arabic'. Now let me tell you buddy, from one lover of wisdom to another, you done fucked up good there. He's Persian. And I cannot emphasise enough how important that is.
If I imagine myself as the flying man as it is explained here I can see myself as just the mind. If I imagine myself moving inside that space I automatically have a body that is moving with me. I just can't imagine the mind or 'soul' moving without adding a head or the whole body to that image
WESTERN Europe had forgotten Plato and Aristotle, and was reminded of them by finding them in Arab translation, BUT, scholars quickly decided that using Latin translations of Arab translations of Syriac translations of Greek texts was rather tricky work, so they traveled to BYZANTIUM where they found the "original" (ie copies of copies) Greek texts, which they copied and brought home with them.
Mind is made up of multiple parts so even if put into a void it still has various points of information to bounce around and get self awareness. I'm thinkin...
No it was not he was *khorasany* and he born in *bukhara* (today in uzbakistan) his mother tongue was *turk* and he passed away in *azerbaijan* of iran in hamedan
@@believeongod8533 نعم ولد فى قرية افشنة الفارسية سنة 370 هجرية الموافق 980 ميلادية فى اصفهان بالقرب من بخارى عاصمة الإمبراطورية السامانية فى اوزبكستان المعاصرة توفى فى همدان ، فارس حفظ القرآن الكريم مثلما حفظ القاصءد العربية وغيرها من الاعمال الادبية والقرآن الكريم بلسان عربي خراسانى نعم مسلم مؤكد بلسان عربي بالتاكيد لقب بفيسلوف اطباء العرب نعم
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ep18 - Avicenna
Intro -
- The pre-Socratic period created the spark for philosophy
- With the political shift, philosophy slowed down
- Then came the monotheistic religions dumping the fire of philosophy
Avicenna - Intro
- Stirred up the fire of philosophy again
- 950AD
- A culture of people where one of their top priorities was collecting the world's knowledge
- They wanted the entire world's knowledge translated into Arabic
- Islamic golden age - mathematics, medicine, architecture, science and philosophy
- While Europe was experiencing the dark ages
- Divided into 2 chunks,
* Pre-Avicenna - Commentaries on Aristotle
* Post-Avicenna - Commentaries on Avicenna
- Born in modern-day - Uzbekistan
- Heavily influenced by Aristotle
- Reads Aristotle - He heals Aristotle to be compatible with Islam
Flying man thought experiment
- Disagreed on the relationship between mind and body
- Aristotle says mind and body are one, inseparable
- But he says mind and body are separate
- Examine if you robbed of your senses and your body separated, you would still know you exist
- Thought experiment to philosophers is what hammers are to carpenters
Rene Descartes - "I think therefore I am"
Q. Is what Avicenna true? Does the thought experiment flying man thought experiment really make it impossible for the body and mind to be inseparable?
I think the only way that the body and mind can be separate is that the idea of the shape of your thoughts and memories can be considered to be "you", but the meat that shape has to manifest in is very necessary
Fascinating, totally worth the listen.
Best episode!!!
Firstly, Arabic is a language so it would be Arabian. Secondly, he was Persian, not an Arab.
Avicenna is in the Arabic philosophy canon because he wrote in Arabic. Every work that is written in Arabic is considered Arabic philosophy. I don't know which part you are referring but the confusion probably comes from this. Just writing so others who read this comment learns. You don't have to be Arabian to be an Arabic philosopher, lot's of non-Arabian people at the time wrote in Arabic.
No he was *khorasany* and his mother tongue was *turk* and he passed away in *azerbaijan* of iran in hamedan
His flying man thought experiment doesn't sound very convincing to me. He basically saying, "imagine you were born into the world as a disembodied mind, this shows that minds are separate from their bodies". That's like saying"imagine a pink elephant, this shows that elephants are pink". Even within the context of the thought experiment, you do have a body, and just because you are unaware of your body doesn't mean you are separate from the body.
In other words, as unconvincing as Descartes, who explicitly stated that he was PRETENDING that he had no body.
yess exactly you put my thoughts into words. I couldnt quite figure out why I couldnt find the logic within this experiment but this made so much sense. thank you
Brilliant
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Excellent stuff here.
21:35, if I may, Decarte's drama is not "I think, thus I am" rather: ";I doubt thus I think, I think therefore I am". The difference is crucial. in the full version, it is an rebellion against the mighty catholic church, (which, as we know now, revenged by poisoning him in the Swedish queen's church, a few years later),. What's in it? Dubito (I doubt) replacing Credo (I believe), Cogito (I think) (replacing "I blindly follow"?), I AM (man's existence as a starting point of knowledge) rather than the gaze at the Trinity, and its representatives on earth. Thus decarte's breakthrough is not so much about the nature of Being (onthology) or of Knowlede (epistemology) but about the road map, where does knowledge begin, how does it proceed, what is valid, etc, not on a Tabula Rasa, but as a breaking free from the heavy chains of the Catholic church since many centuries. The Zero origin of hs Cartesian coordinates as to researching reality is therefore not accepted dogmas and god, but the human doubt, ergo cognition, ergo existence. That's not simply clever, it is brave and daring, dangerous in its times, etc,. On the line of Copernicus and Galileo, metaphorically: So what is the center and what is turning, what is turning around what?
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I just want to make a correction on this episode. Ibn Sina was Persian not Arabic.
Avicenna’s flying man experiment is a good thought but could never be done in real life as far as I know....the mind is a part of our body and will cease to exist when we die (as far as we can tell). I’ve never talked to a ghost and would change my opinion if I ever do.
14:40 Will it blend? That is the question.
he was *khorasany* and he born in *bukhara* (today in uzbakistan) his mother tongue was *turk* and he passed away in *azerbaijan* of iran in hamedan
Sorry man, I just started listening to your podcast (great work, btw) with the Epicurus episide, for the purposes of my own study. I couldn't help but notice as I flicked through your amazing library that you called Avicenna 'Arabic'. Now let me tell you buddy, from one lover of wisdom to another, you done fucked up good there. He's Persian. And I cannot emphasise enough how important that is.
Okay
Lol, take a chill pill man
Lol
If I imagine myself as the flying man as it is explained here I can see myself as just the mind. If I imagine myself moving inside that space I automatically have a body that is moving with me. I just can't imagine the mind or 'soul' moving without adding a head or the whole body to that image
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i recommend for you the book "The bezels of wisdom" by Ibn Arabi
WESTERN Europe had forgotten Plato and Aristotle, and was reminded of them by finding them in Arab translation, BUT, scholars quickly decided that using Latin translations of Arab translations of Syriac translations of Greek texts was rather tricky work, so they traveled to BYZANTIUM where they found the "original" (ie copies of copies) Greek texts, which they copied and brought home with them.
ok, boomer
@@01FNG Thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule to respond.
Mind is made up of multiple parts so even if put into a void it still has various points of information to bounce around and get self awareness. I'm thinkin...
How does it get self awareness grom information bouncing around??? Whats expiriencing this bouncing around of info??? You arent making any sense
Avicenna is a persian philosopher I don't know why many people think he's an arabic philosopher🤔
I think because he lived in Baghdad and most of his work are in Arabic
ابن سينا( فيلسوف اطباء العرب )
No it was not he was *khorasany* and he born in *bukhara* (today in uzbakistan) his mother tongue was *turk* and he passed away in *azerbaijan* of iran in hamedan
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نعم
ولد فى قرية افشنة الفارسية سنة 370 هجرية
الموافق 980 ميلادية
فى اصفهان بالقرب من بخارى عاصمة الإمبراطورية السامانية فى اوزبكستان المعاصرة
توفى فى همدان ، فارس
حفظ القرآن الكريم مثلما حفظ القاصءد العربية وغيرها من الاعمال الادبية
والقرآن الكريم
بلسان عربي
خراسانى نعم
مسلم مؤكد
بلسان عربي بالتاكيد
لقب بفيسلوف اطباء العرب
نعم
He was not Arab. He was Persian
Just as we have killed god, philosophy is dead now, we do as we're told
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Avicenna is from Afghanistan
Balkh provice
yup, lets gets the fact straight, because your embarrassing yourself
Waffle