this was where marlene really fucked up. If charles/cece was a little boy when bethany pushed tobys mom off the rood then how come shes still alive when alison is a teenager. Cece is older than alison so surely tobys mom would be long dead by then
team ezria Stop throwing that bs "they're supposed to be kids" card, because: 1: According to what Toby said in 1x01, his mom died a year before the beginning of the show's timeline (2008) making Alison 14 and Toby 15 tops, not little kids. 2: If they didn't want to use child actors, why would they hire child actors for the Bethany and CeCe scene? The writers screwed up, PERIOD.
Tara Evans EXACTLY!!! Charles has to be like 5+ years OLDER than Alison...but was 12 when Toby's mom dies..??? that would make Alison 6 or 7....and that would be BEFORE this happened. Yea its hard to tell age because of the actors, but they certainly weren't 6!! UGHHH
UPDATE: apparently they were kids in this scene but Marlene didn't want to use child actors or something? I don't really get it but of course we would be confused if we saw someone who supposedly died when they were children, walking around talking to her teenage son??
+Tara Evans yea but Charles was supposedly 12 when Bethany pushed Toby's mom off the roof. Alison is at least 5 years younger than him, so that makes her 7 when she's trying to kiss Toby....there's noooooo way. You can't use an 18 year old to play a 7 year old
So if Toby's mom died in 2000 and Toby was born in 1993 he would be 7... and Alison would be 6. This is confirmed because in the flashback Cece (Charles) is a kid and shes older than both Toby and Ali by a few years. Meaning here we have 2 kids flirting, fighting and a 7 year old telling their mom something is wrong with them. MAKES SENSE!
It makes sense tho that they can be kids in this scene. Toby looks like he could be a kid the way he's dressed and the way his hair is. And the toys on the shelves? And when your little kids and when your about to have a kiss it's always something your nervous about you know? It makes sense.
Alison looks like her teen self to me. Plus, why wouldn't they just hire child actors? It's not like they hadn't ever done that before, plus Toby looks ridiculously old to play a 10 year old
I honestly think that in the flashback they were meant to be playing under 10 years old. Toby may have the physical body of a man but he looks and is dressed like a little boy. Just because they play teenagers in the show does not mean the flashbacks of them are teenagers. Don't think this is a plot hole at all
in the season 2 Halloween episode, Toby said it was a year ago when his mum died, that episode was set in 2008. The girls would have been either 13 or 14 then, and cece/charles is 7 years older, making him/her 20 or 21 when marion died. In the flashback where she is killed, Charles is 11 or 12, before he becomes charlotte, so this scene is complete bullshit regardless of how they look because however you look at it the ages don't add up. BUT, if marion was actually killed when Charles was 12, this would make Ali 5 years old. I think its entirely fair to say that she is not 5 in this scene
+Shedde The only thing is, is that we've seen the liars before as young kids. Like Ali with the dress; she looked like a child and was played by a child actress, same with Jason. Plus Toby had dressed like that before in the halloween episode during the flashback, so it really is a plothole.
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he's so cute when he's hurt but it makes me cry as well 😍😩
I love cute little nerd toby!!!!!!!!!
She always says that! Everyone wants to kiss her lol
this was where marlene really fucked up. If charles/cece was a little boy when bethany pushed tobys mom off the rood then how come shes still alive when alison is a teenager. Cece is older than alison so surely tobys mom would be long dead by then
They are supposed to be really little but Marlene didn't want to hire child actors
team ezria Stop throwing that bs "they're supposed to be kids" card, because:
1: According to what Toby said in 1x01, his mom died a year before the beginning of the show's timeline (2008) making Alison 14 and Toby 15 tops, not little kids.
2: If they didn't want to use child actors, why would they hire child actors for the Bethany and CeCe scene?
The writers screwed up, PERIOD.
Poor tobyx he was so cute and kind and then Alison twisted him
Athena Morrow He still is so cute and kind
Ikr
Yeah he's like the nicest person ever on the show
Toby is sooo cutee !!
THIS. This is what I don't get! How can Marion be here if she was killed when they were kids? 😂
Tara Evans EXACTLY!!! Charles has to be like 5+ years OLDER than Alison...but was 12 when Toby's mom dies..??? that would make Alison 6 or 7....and that would be BEFORE this happened. Yea its hard to tell age because of the actors, but they certainly weren't 6!! UGHHH
UPDATE: apparently they were kids in this scene but Marlene didn't want to use child actors or something? I don't really get it but of course we would be confused if we saw someone who supposedly died when they were children, walking around talking to her teenage son??
Tara Evans i knew someone else was gonna come back to this video and comment. it makes no sense that bethany killed toby's mom
+Tara Evans yea but Charles was supposedly 12 when Bethany pushed Toby's mom off the roof. Alison is at least 5 years younger than him, so that makes her 7 when she's trying to kiss Toby....there's noooooo way. You can't use an 18 year old to play a 7 year old
Becky Harding My thoughts exactly. It was obviously a mistake made by Marlene, at least she addressed it though instead of ignoring everyone :)
Toby must have been hallucinating and Marion must have been a ghost..this was a plot hole
Ali was so mean and toby looked real cute
So if Toby's mom died in 2000 and Toby was born in 1993 he would be 7... and Alison would be 6. This is confirmed because in the flashback Cece (Charles) is a kid and shes older than both Toby and Ali by a few years. Meaning here we have 2 kids flirting, fighting and a 7 year old telling their mom something is wrong with them. MAKES SENSE!
The one out of many plot holes that almost buried the PLL fan base
Aww Toby’s so adorable in that outfit Ali is such a bully sometimes
why is toby dressed like Fred (Lucas Cruikshank)?
xcxdreams idk
It makes sense tho that they can be kids in this scene. Toby looks like he could be a kid the way he's dressed and the way his hair is. And the toys on the shelves? And when your little kids and when your about to have a kiss it's always something your nervous about you know? It makes sense.
Alison looks like her teen self to me. Plus, why wouldn't they just hire child actors? It's not like they hadn't ever done that before, plus Toby looks ridiculously old to play a 10 year old
didn’t know alison wore heels at the age of 3.
the major plot hole!!!
poor toby I feeel bad for him
Poor toby😣❤️❤️❤️
Also if they were supposed to be playing young children, I can see it with Toby's top but Ali's wearing heels?
this is where season 6 took a major blow
I love toby most of all. that is all
wow so alison wanted to throw the stink bomb on toby cause he didn't wanna kiss her anymore lolol
This flasback wasn't mecessary, i cried a lot...
I honestly think that in the flashback they were meant to be playing under 10 years old. Toby may have the physical body of a man but he looks and is dressed like a little boy. Just because they play teenagers in the show does not mean the flashbacks of them are teenagers. Don't think this is a plot hole at all
Shedde Exactly.
Ali is wearing heels. What 10 year old dresses like that and wears heels. I call bullshit
in the season 2 Halloween episode, Toby said it was a year ago when his mum died, that episode was set in 2008. The girls would have been either 13 or 14 then, and cece/charles is 7 years older, making him/her 20 or 21 when marion died. In the flashback where she is killed, Charles is 11 or 12, before he becomes charlotte, so this scene is complete bullshit regardless of how they look because however you look at it the ages don't add up. BUT, if marion was actually killed when Charles was 12, this would make Ali 5 years old. I think its entirely fair to say that she is not 5 in this scene
+Shedde The only thing is, is that we've seen the liars before as young kids. Like Ali with the dress; she looked like a child and was played by a child actress, same with Jason. Plus Toby had dressed like that before in the halloween episode during the flashback, so it really is a plothole.
Agreed Marlene
Just a didn't want to hire child actors
plothole aaaayyyy lmao
That's Toby's mother oh man
toby looks like FRED
this makes no sense
This is so sad
aaaaaaaayy major plot hole
I feel bad for toby
In this flashback, alison is supposed to be the same age than Bethany. But honestly, we can’t say that it’s not a mistake
If you think well, they were just 5 years old in this scene.
aaaaaaayyy major plot hole
I can't understand... her mom died when he was a kid!
Every one in rosewood want kiss her!!
Why did Toby become the black sheep of Rosewood in the flashback he was bright
I wonder what was really wrong with Marion, It was never addressed.
This is when they were 5
Omg u r so stupid they r teens
+G T No, they supposed to be younger. Marlene didn't want to use kid actors.
5 years old flitting caut on video. Time line is confusing
i dont get it in seson 7 cece was a kid when she died and ali was a baby soooo how is she alive
marlene didn't want child actors for this scene, so they're supposed to be like 5 or something
Beautiful Chaos 5? I think they were a little older than 5.
Beautiful Chaos
Lol
BYEE CUZ HE LOOK LIKE FRED
Toby is so awkward in this scene
so it's PRETTY obvious that Ali likes Toby but she calls him a "freak" because she doesn't want her friends to think she's weird
+Rachel G and just because he didn't give her the full attention she wanted bullied him
If they did kiss, it would have been horrible to feel, but it would have been so incomprehensibly sexy. A strange ship.
he does not look right i cant i cant i cant
Wtf this doesn't make no sense whatsoever!
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what was wrong with Toby's mother??
Amnesia probably
André Blomberg o... just curious because they never said. thank you
Agora entendo o porquê deste cabelo ridículo do Toby e o Nintendo 64!
aaaaaaayyy major plot hole