THUNDER SAGA: Epic The Musical (FULL)
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- Holy Moly (heh) that new Thunder Saga was one of the coolest listening experiences I've had in a long while! It's instantly one of my favorite albums and you should all give it a listen.
Needless to say, NONE of this is mine. All credit goes to / @jayherrans and the wonderful team at Epic: the Musical
Here are each of the song's original videos (Which you should very much watch):
• Suffering
• Different Beast
• Scylla
• Mutiny
• Thunder Bringer
Also that cover art looks fire!
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It's funny that the (while trying to kill him) the sirens offered more useful information than the actual prophet
If they had listened to him, they would have given up and remain living on Circe's island.
Actually if you listen closely you’ll see Tiresias basically spoiled the entire thunder saga :
« A song of past romance » = Suffering/Siren song
« Sacrifice of men » = Scylla
« Portrayal of betrayal » = Mutiny
« Brother’s final stand » = Thunderbringer
And he is left on the brink of death after Zeus zapped them but still he lives to later float on Calypso’s island and further down the road come back as a broken monster of a man(even the line where Scylla say we are the same you and I, well Ody also targets the suitors carrying torches in the song King )
@@togucvinw7 "after Zeus zapped them" is so funny to me for some reason
@funkyfelinefriend he was definitely salty with them for snitching 😭
@@togucvinw7don't forget the lines " on the brink of death / draw your final breath" line. That's the stabbing and near death at the hands of Zeus, and when the Ody makes his choice and the crew charge him he assumes that is his final breathe.
Eurylochus: opened windbag, attack's helioses fucking friends.
Eurylochus: captain 🥺
It felt more like he understood what was gonna happen and was no longer surprised after all he's been through. He's resigned to his self-made fate and simply let it happen.
Not to mention he’s a hypocrite in mutiny he’s like “why did you sacrifice six men!?!?!??1!1!1 😡😡😡” like dude you were WILLING to leave the crew at Circes palace last time you can’t talk 💀
@@currentlyhidinginurwallz he wasn’t sacrificing people to Circe without Hermes moly they stood no chance against Circe he just noticed a threat and went to warn the rest of the crew who were safe odysseus knowingly selected people to be sacrificed
@currentlyhidinginurwallz I mean, he was willing to abandon them, but to be fair, it literally took devine intervention for Oydsseus to have a chance against Circe. The two men have made a lot of bad calls. It's just that the main character learnt early on that ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves and had the benefit of having plot armour.
@@currentlyhidinginurwallz Odyseous:You sacrificed your crew and you expect me not to.😂
The fact that Scylla was revealed to be speaking to Odysseus the entire time gave me chills
Wanted to 👍 this comment until I saw the count at 444 and decided it was absolutely perfect
Honestly my reaction was 😱
But only towards the end no? The first part shes talking to Eurylochus right?
@@RM-nn7tx that could be the case
The way the siren isnt just PRETENDING to be his wife, shes literally offering him freedom from the suffering he feels, through death.
In turn, Penelope then gains all said suffering
Also Telemachus (his son) with never knowing his father
OH MY GOD
WHEN DOES THE REASON BECOME THE BLAME
ODY'S WHOLE REASON IS TO GET HOME TO HIS SON AND WIFE, BUT THAT ENDED UP BEING THE VERY THING THAT KILLED HIS ENTIRE CREW "YOU MUST CARRY ALL THE BLAME'
One thing I love about this series is how easy it is to connect various pieces together, the motifs and melodies repeat themselves or come up in different iterations. Call it foreshadowing or self-referential, or whatever you'd like, but I think it's great. :D
@@missseaweed2462 NAH FR!! I love especially how it connects the entire musical - ESPECIALLY in mutiny, I feel like that song hit so much harder because of how it felt like *everything* that had happened was leading up to the moment where it snapped.
That's a great catch, didn't think of that before!
Crew: No more of us deceased, 'cause he won't take more suffering from you🎶
Scylla: Six men plz
Odysseus:Eurylochus light 6 touches
Crew and Eurylochus" 😦😲
😂😂😂😂
lol
That line aged so poorly it’s almost poet lmao
Honestly it should have hit Eurylochus then when he lit one of the torches. After all his betrayals
It’s a bit hypocritical of Eurylochus to say Odysseus gave up the lives of six crew members when arguably eurylochus killed 558 men when he opened the wind bag and even in this saga he got everyone including himself killed by attacking a cow.
You get me!! YOU GET ME not to mention the fact that he was literally supposed to die in the layer of sylla but handed off his torch moments before he got eaten
IKR? he wanted to ditch his men at circes island too and NOW hes mad?
Exactly! Eurylochus was willing to sacrifice others to ensure his own safety on Circe's Island and in Scyllas's lair. Yet when Odysseus uses a small sacrifice of 6 men to ensure their return home, it's outlandish! If Odysseus had decided to fight Scylla, then they could have lost all of the crew, if not very little being left. Odysseus made the optimal play for giving Eurylochus and the rest of his crew up to Zeus to kill at that point.
@@FinalHighwind2004 yea, also the crew -kinda- brought it upon themselves, Odysseus warned them multiple times now to kill the cows
Eurylochus wasn't sacrificing the others in circe saga. He found a source of danger that the rest of his group fell victim to, and because she was a witch, he knew that in the moment the only thing they could do was get everyone else off the island and run. It's not until Hermes gives Odysseus Moly that Ody would've even had a chance against Circe. It wasn't HIS safety, it was the remaining crew.
Odysseus's sacrifice of 6 men were purposeful and selected, as well as it's implied Ody planned to sacrifice Eurylochus for him opening the bag. HE wants to get home to HIS wife. He no longer cares, or is forcing himself to not care, about the crew unless it helps him get home.
Of course Eurylochus is mad at Odysseus. He has been a close friend of his for at least since the trojan war, and he is forced to watch Ody corrupt into a monster of a man. Also, in the Iliad, Ody is literally his brother in law. To know and have such a close connection to someone, just for them to start (from your view) putting everyone in danger, and getting friends killed. I'd be pretty pissed too.
I agree that Eurylochus was a dumbass for opening the wind bag tho, thats honestly when everything went to shizzle, shame on you Eurylochus, do better.
The first time I heard this song and Ody says 'you know I'm scared of water' I was like, "you are an island king! What do you mean!" Also, the idea of him being too shy is too ridiculous😂
I lived on an island my whole life and I can't swim so 😭
I was like : "after angering the fucking sea god, yeah I'd be scared of the water too"
@@nxzxdxnxzxdx8087 lol same
@@nxzxdxnxzxdx8087I think the thing that shocked me when I first heard that line was that iit is coming from the commander of a naval fleet, who has been sailing for roughly 10 years, so it is certainly a choice to embark on a voyage to Troy, if you secretly have a deep abiding fear of water
Which makes even more scary that he is turning into a Monster. Since he was pretending in order to manipulate the siren💀
The fact he is NOT scared of the water after the Poseidon thing shows Odysseus is insane
ohgygodd eurylochus dont act like u didnt just kill the cow after countless warnings and then now you're surprised Odysseus is choosing himself over the crew
I think the cow he killed is the one Zeus turned to hide one of his affairs from Hera.
@@antoinewallace6005 Your talking about Io and she wasn't sent to Helio's island she was sent to Egypt.
@@auraguardianemerald6667 I didnt remember just knew she got turned into a cow
He quite literally did not sound surprised. He was resigned. If you're gonna slander my bro Eurylochus at least do it right 😤
@@sylph-coHe's mad at odesseyus for sacrificing 6 men like he didnt cause zues to make the ultimatum and even if Poseidon was bound to go after them he sped up the process taking 600 men to 43
and in the end the god Athena got her warrior
Since I can't find it, time stamps :3
0:00 Suffering
2:30 different beast
5:59 scylla
8:55 mutiny
13:48 thunder bringer
Make sure to drink some water
You killed my sheep
You killed my cows
It's like poetry
It rhymes
Everyone should just maybe be vegetarian from now on if we don’t want to piss off the higher beings
@@four_girls_in_search_of_awesomthen God of plants and tree came down with Zeus and zapped them ⚡
You want poetic? Helios is the father of Circe.
To the people asking "why didnt Odysious just sacrufice the siren" ut is, from what i remember, because scylla doesnt accept siren :3
I meant sea creatures wops
I think it also becuase it would be really dangerous to have the sirens on bored. Everyone would have to have their ears plugged the entire time which would make communication very difficult (which would make telling the crew why they are keeping the sirens nearly impossible). Plus I don’t think he knew he would need to scarfice 6 people at that point
@@callumdobson8637 True true, but i think he also knew the cost atp because he said, "but scylla has a cost," which i think indicates that he knew the cost/pos
which is weird since she eats fish and dolphins. picky fr
@@That0neWeirdElve Both are daughters of Phorcys, father of all sea monsters (and Medusa, Steno and Euryale). So maybe she simple don't like to eat her sisters (?)
The sarcastic “oh no” 😂😂😂
Timestamps for the songs!
(Suffering) [Starts at 0]
0:01 - 2:30
(Different Beast)
2:30 - 6:00
(Scylla)
6:01 - 8:55
(Mutiny)
8:55 - 13:48
(Thunder Bringer)
13:48 - 17:59
Thank you
Knowing that Eurylochus was the one who opened the bag (after being told that would bring the storm back) i don't think he really has a right to be upset with Odyseus in this situation.
Yes, Odyseus was wrong to sacrifice those men. But eurylochus urged him to do exactly that at Circe's palace, and had he *not* gone looking through other people's shit all but a handful of them would have made it home.
Doesn’t make it any easier on Odysseus, but in every telling of the odyssey, the crew pretty much kept them from getting home by being idiots
In defense of Eurylochus in Circe's island, he was right, Circe was actually invencible, and his men were as good as dead, it took a literal Deus ex machina to save them. But Odysseus sacrifice to Scylla was planned, premeditated.
@blakeking1125 For your last point, I’d argue that Eurylochus opening the wind bag was a _relatively_ good thing - not for the hundreds of soldiers on the ships, obviously, but for the citizens of Ithaca. Right after the wind bag is opened in Keep Your Friends Close, who does Odysseus and the crew meet immediately? Poseidon.
Imagine this scenario: you and your crew have returned to Ithaca, unknowing that the cyclops you had fought was Poseidon’s son. During your encounter, you revealed your name and kingdom to the now-blind Polyphemus, then spared him. By the time of the Storm Saga, Poseidon *knows* about your battle with Polyphemus (Jorge said in a shorts video that Poseidon called the storms). And before you could put your foot on the island, Poseidon surfaces from the water with his divine wrath.
Odysseus’ existence alone puts the rest of his men and citizens at risk. Now, back to my point: I believe Eurylochus, in the grand scheme of things, gave Odysseus the time necessary to switch philosophies, in order to defeat Poseidon during his second encounter (spoilers for a future saga, sorry). Yes, the soldiers died, but people were going to die anyway; they *angered* Poseidon. At the very least, the kingdom of Ithaca was spared the first time, when Poseidon exercised his godly power on the 500+ men.
I'm pretty sure the big issue here is that Eurylochos doesn't know when to sacrifice men.
Either that or he just got too hopeful after Ody saved the men from Circe
@@juanjogrimaldos7463 it was also the only way to get home with out a risk of losing the entire crew. They had 3 options try to get pass poseidon who had already kill most of their crew. or try to fight Scylla who the sirens say Poseidon is afraid of or scarfice 6 men. I say he made the smart decision
What I'd like to imagine during 'Suffering' is that while 'Penelope' is advising Odysseus to go through Scylla's lair in order to escape from Poseidon, Odysseus gets reminded of his one and only beloved real Penelope.
Because it's the only part of the song where Penelope sings in a low voice, instead of a high-pitched one. If you had listened to 'The Challenge' which hasn't been released but you can easily search the snippet on RUclips, Penelope usually sings in a deep voice.
But in this song, the reason why Penelope sings in a different tone and pitch is because this isn't the REAL Penelope. That's why I was also confused at first, whether that's Penelope or not.
Not to mention, Odysseus gets reminded of his lovely, smart wife who always used to consult him on his problems and tried to help him in his darkest moments of his life. With her soothing and comforting words, he easily got reminded of the real Penelope that he knows and loves.
( I don't know if I'm overexaggerating about the differences of the tones and voices, but I just wanted to share my thoughts because this musical is my hyper-fixation right now lol )
I'm also hyperfixated on it lol, so I understand. I keep considering whether I wanna contribute to the pool of amazing animatics surrounding this musical haha.
that would make a lot of sense buuuut he explicitly says he stuffed his ears with beeswax (4:01) and that he's lipreading (4:11) in different beast
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Also if you can drop a couple bucks on the songs.
That 'row for your lives' is something else
Eurylochus: (Back in Sea Arc) Hey, let’s be careful about messing with God stuff
Eurylochus: (thunder arc) I know all these cows are roaming an island watched by Apollo… but I’m too hangry to not wanna kill them.
Zeus: (appears) Yo.
Eurylochus: … Fuck.
Honestly, I think eurylikes just didn't care anymore and he wanted to die, that may have been another reason that that choice was so easy for Odysseus to make.
@@dragansnyder2786 "Urologist" has to be the funniest possible autocorrect for Eurylochus.
@@nicholaspeterman9111 thank you for pointing this out I completely forgot to check, it, and I usually use talk to text to save time because I have so much to say, I just need to remember to check the Greek names, because it only really knows Odysseus
@@dragansnyder2786Another reason however could be that he didn't trust Ody anymore, and he was the only one that knew all about the supernatural stuff (what the Lotus does, who lives on the floating island, where Scylla lives and, in the end, that the cows should have been left untouched).
@@loonelytoon6523 I mean to be honest, he was the one telling Odysseus not to risk pissing the gods off back in luck runs out, that's the only reason I have developed the opinion that he just wanted to die, because he specifically pointed out how dangerous the gods were, and now he's choosing to ignore the chance that a God will take vengeance on them.
"Please don't make me do this, don't make me do this"! 😭
Every time he meets Zeus he sings this 😭😭😭
the “don’t go” from the cyclops and the “what” from the siren are such good ways to humanize the foes. to have hints of empathy and sympathy from the audience
Thats such an amazing build between the relationships of Odysseus and Eurylochus. Eurylochus starting the story willing to run from Circe and learning from Odysseus to stick up for his men. And then betrayal (The sacrifice of man from the Prophecy) shattering the trust Eurylochus built for him. The way the guilt builds before Scylla, confessing that he betrayed his friend, not knowing Odysseus had already made the choice to sacrifice his men, its so heartbreaking ;-;. Eurylochus taking up his sword against Odysseus (A brother's final stand), and the crew stabbing Odysseus, no longer able to hide their doubt. The final moment with Eurylochus killing the cow, hunger clouding his mind and willing to overlook the crime, and then immediate regret when he realizes what hes done. I think its a beautifully crafted moment and plotline throughout the entire epic.
Delicious comment, I would like a nibble, good fellow 😇😇😇
Yknow if these few soldiers did survive and made it home with ody they would be like the special ops, elite troops to have lived
Nah. They gon be dead for stabbing their king in "mutiny"
@@AlliCayloyeah.. they were never going to live at the end of the day
It’s insane that eurylochus is mad even tho pretty much all of the crews death is his fault😭😭love him but ody literally took them to a 10 year war and came out with every single man alive like hun you’re the one that wanted to leave the men behind at circes palace, you opened the wind bag, you killed the cow, like come on
Apparently, it's a skill issue. Ody has skills to keep 600 man alive in a war. He did lose some to cyclops, but there is no way he could have know about him. While, Eury.....well every time he gets involved someone dies. If I remember correctly, he also wanted to raid the cyclops island. Skill issue, I say. Or extreme shortsightedness.
Eurylochus's performance when weeping about hungry he was...ohmygods, my heart. I heard the desperation, the realization he'd do anything.
Mr Jalapeño, sir, your responses with The Siren was so fun.
And the electric guitars of Thunder Bringer...and the ABSOLUTENESS of Zues's tone...
Friggin CHILLS
HOW DO YA'LL GET BETTER AND BETTER MY HEART CAN'T TAKE IT
Bro expects me to believe he stayed in key while reading the sirens lips. Ody must be the god of pitch or something xD
I love this installment so much, I started listening to the project during the underworld part so this was the first release I was here for. Been listening to it so much since it launched.
If you believe one of the anomatic for polyphemus he also stayed in perfect pitch while polyphemus was literally crushing his ribs (I mean he had him in his hands so, his ribs probably weren't in the best state) it is also worth noting that Odysseus technically has Divine blood, so I think him being able to do some impossible things does actually make sense
@dragansnyder2786 It's a musical adaptation so it makes sense in context. I just think it's funny. It'd be cool if he was slightly out of key since he couldn't hear them, but since he isn't fully human I'd accept that's just something he could do if I really needed a reason lol.
@@StrawhatRye I definitely think it's hilarious, and I didn't mean to try and make you take it seriously by explaining it, I'm sure even Jorge had a good chuckle when he decided to do this part in the musical
@@dragansnyder2786 It's all good, I'd rather explain a joke to someone in good spirit than tell a joke to someone who doesn't wanna hear it lol.
I wonder what would have happened had Odyseus accepted the blame. I don't think Zeus as depicted here is the type to reward selflessness, but if "an act of pride" is the issue then logically humility would be the solution.
He would probably just kill Odysseus and go , I think at least cuz he doesnt sound like he would forgive that easy
I think Zeus would have laughed hard and either just killed Odysseus OR said that his pride was enough of a sacrifice.
Someone had to die and then the people who had died was the she that Zeus represented as pride.
My first words when Thunder bringer first came on was
“It can’t be that bad, right?!”
I take it back
That "let them dround " was cold
I like how the lyrics change from "WE are a different beast..." To "HE is a diferent beast after Ody orders to cut the siren's tails
I was about spend 30 minutes figuring out what song is in what order. Thank you daving me the time
Jorge puts them in a playlist. Just go to his channel and look under releases
It's quite simple to tell the order though. After I listened to each song for the first time, I was able to tell where each song went where despite listening to them out of order.
One of my favorite parts of epic is how things connect to each other, whether it’s obvious or not so much, this is like musical connect the dots and I love it! Like the line “When does the reason become the blame” by mutiny, that’s what happens, the goal was to get home but now odyssey is so focused and locked onto the fact he has to get home that it becomes what his crew blames him for when they lose people in Scylla “Tell me you did not miss home so painfully bad, that you gave up the lives of six of our friends”
As soon as Ody learned about Scylla he should’ve just kept 6 Sirens alive to sacrifice instead of setting up his men, he played himself.
Scyllca specifically won't eat siren as they're often depicted as her children.
His men would've been eaten either way, Scylla doesn't eat sirens. Doing that would've been pointless.
Sirens are her children she wouldn’t have eaten them
@@beaniebaby7725 What ? Where do you find this information ? It's the first time I hear that. Sirens are usually born monster and then their parents are Achelous (river god) and a muse or Calliope. Hesiod said Phorcys is their father so they would be the sisters of Scylla and it's the more close than I found. The other explanation are metamorphosis and it's by Demeter usually (nymph who were supposed to be with her daughter when she get kidnapped).
But I'm interested where you found the idea of Scylla being their mother !
@@Senekata4 Hades as well as certain myths take her on as a motherly role. Not like birth mother but similar to an adopted mother. Even in certain parts of the Odyssey they are referred to as "her sirens". I could've explained that better but it was bed time lol.
The fact that the siren says cone play with me and our daughter they had a son 😅
Thunder bringer is such a banger❤❤❤❤
Ok, but Ody is so in the wrong here. So many people say that eury is in the wrong. In truth, they both are. But you got to take into account that ody tried to kill eury, how would you take that, if someone you trusted, you're best friend, someone you looked up to, tried to kill you. Also, Eury was angry at Ody because he was a heartless monster. How he is prepared to kill eury, though eury was not ready. Eury saw that ody did't care about hos crew, also Ody is a KING, so someone like that is good in charge. Eury is in the right here
Odysseus tried to kill Eurylochus because Eury was responsible for all of their suffering. If it weren't for Eury, they would've been in Ithica. Over 500 men would not have died (in this version), they'd never have dealt with circe and never have had to make the sacrifice to Scylla.
Yeah but sure was also in the wrong he showed he would in fact do the same thing when he handed torch to someone else and he killed the cows pretty much killing everyone
HOLY FUCKING SHIT HE ALSO AIMS FOR THE TORCHES IN THE KING (WHEN HE IS BACK IN THE CASTLE
"Eurylochus killed so many men. He doesn't have a right to be mad"
"No Odysseus is the one to blame. Those soldiers trusted him"
Its the gods. The gods are the villains of this story. Literally every problem Odysseus and his men had during this journey can be traced back to the gods using mortals as playthings.
What would Penelope be doing in the middle part of the ocean? Siren
Sirens usually sing to hypnotise sailors and bring them into the water or thats what I think (sorry Im not really into mythology)
@@cubbie4_life that’s the type of siren this is I guess but from what I’ve read in comments the Greek sirens are a half bird half human type thing
mind control makes that usualyl they dont have to worry about stuff like that
@@PolitesAndJayLightningGod they are. but their song appeals to the sailor's greatest desire so they often appear to sailor's as people in the sailor's mind although, or in other words, magic.
We got lost during a small swim /silly
I read a very insightful comment last time about Scylla... Why did Odysseus not use the sirens' bodies and put torches on them so no crew died? XD Well... nevermind!
@@CassieBaldur Well I guess Ody made the same mistake as Poseidon in mistaking sadism for ruthlessness.
He was likely so caught up in finally having power over one of his adversaries that he failed to realize that sparing them might’ve been the more logical (and by extention ruthless) option
I've read in other Scylla animatic something, Scylla is a sentient being... She can tell the difference betwen a Siren and a Human, so, if Ody chose to use the sirens body... They would'nt work, cause she know they are sirens (I'm not so good at English, I hope I explained this nice)
@@moigarcia9731
But would she actually care if it's human or siren. Meat is meat after all....
Scylla doesn't eat sirens.
@@frederickambaritaa8057That's like saying that person wouldn't care if they were eating a dog or a cow, as they're both animal meat.
Thanks for this mix men, I really wanted to hear the songs without pauses between songs
“the things i’d do for you” he says to the image of his wife, only a for a couple minuets later prove just what “things” he’d for for her
not me in my sleep hazed state hearing we filled our bees with earswax
Ngl, I thought Ody was honest about being scared of the water after… well…
(Motions to Poseidan)
He sounded like he HAD a plan but eurylohus opened and wasted the rest of the wind 😡
No they meant that eurylohus was the person that opened the bag the first time
@shahrokhsadri6318 DAAAMMNNN really??!! I thought he opened the bag last and wasted it
@@KatVWine
No , he was the reason why they didn't get home.
It was smooth sailing but his nosey butt got curious and that lead to all the other death.
I love these people who will put paid music on youtube for free. THANK YOU! I can’t afford the music lol
Dude the whole concept album is on RUclips by the original Creator all they did was put it in one video so you could listen to it back to back
@@j3ssthealien283 the other sagas bro. I have only seen the cyclops saga.
@@Aries-tf8sn the channel is called Jorge Rivera- Herrans has all of the official releases and a playlist with all of them in order
The songs are free to listen to. Each and every song. Each and every saga. You can listen to them all for free on RUclips. The creator puts them here himself. He also uploads snippets of songs that have yet to be released on RUclips too. For free.
@@Aries-tf8sn every song is free though
Man i've listened to these songs to much that they have started appearing in my dreams. It was a fricking MLP dream and they started singing.
"This is the home of the sun elves,"
"I'm starving my friend"
"But if you eat their bible who knows what they'll send."
Like WHAT!??
That must be traumatizing 😭
WHAY TDO YOU MEAN EAT THEIR BIBLE 😭😭😭
@@TheCreatorO5 I told you it was a mlp dream! She was literally holding a fortune teller (the paper ones) and trying to eat it! I don't know where my mind got that it was a bible, but I don't control my dreams!
i feel like the main character when listening to different beast
I wanted the songs in order so thank you!
same
Jorge puts them in a playlist already, just go to his channel and look under 'Releases'
Does any girl want to put this on and play mermaids in the pool
@@historicallhoney We’re playing Suffering right…. RIGHT?
@@frederickambaritaa8057 suffering and different beasts
@@frederickambaritaa8057 suffering , different beast, and maybe syiclla
@frederickambaritaa8057 well suffering and different beast maybe scylla
@@frederickambaritaa8057 Riiiiight... where'sthebow
Odysseus is to blame for the Cyclops, even though he had no way of knowing he had Poseidon on speed dial. Athena sure didn't try all that hard to warn him.
The fact remains that even though Poseidon was after him, he found a way around and would have made it home. Once there, do people really think Ody wouldn't sacrifice himself to Poseidon to save his wife son and kingdom? Like he'd do anything to get back to them, but if he is already there and was offered no other option I would hard pressed to believe he would let his whole kingdom die at that point in the story.
Eury opening the bag absolutely sealed the fate of most of the men there. Hence his extreme guilt. He also makes a poor captain because he goes and does the exact same thing Ody did to the Cyclops, only he had no idea or plan to circumvent it and had an actual warning not to do so that Ody lacked. His stance on the sacrifice is empathetic, but if he had known about it prior would he still be gung ho to fight Scylla and likely cause everyone's deaths? This riding on the coattails of admitting he opened the bag, directly ruining Odys plan that would have seen them home, and leading to the deaths of all the men by Posiedon, plus his mutiny on top of that really makes it even ground for Odysseus to choose himself over the crew.
Odysseus would have had to face Poseidon anyway, but had they been home it's hard to say the cost would have been higher, since Odysseus wouldn't have traveled through the underworld and been changed by the experience. It's also possible that the wind god may have offered some form of protection for completing their game.
Eurylochus bashing Odysseus for sacrificng six of his men:
Meanwhile Eurylochus: gets 557 men killed bc he opened the bag.
oh AND kills the cow, basically bringing death to everyone thats left. good job Eurylochus
As a person who works with Aphrodite, Apollo and hypnos whose had this on repeat for the last 5-6 days they always try to pause my screen when thunder bringer comes on and its hilarious
From what I understand Scylla wouldn't eat Siren meat.
Also they cutting off the siren tales was so that some could eat.
I could be incorrect though.
Fin soup ✨️
Yoooo i was just listening to this and the moment zeus said thunder bringer, lightning struck nearby 💀💀
You're in danger brrr 😭😭😭😭
@@generalman1496 nah the way his voice is so hot, if he comes to murder me my gay ass just gonna flirt with him
Bro is in danger ☠️
Your pfp is so cool
Who do you think Zeus was talking about pride? Cause he said pride was a woman....could it be Penelope?
Zeus was referring to pride allegorically, using the one thing he knows best as an analogy (you can probably guess what)
He's saying that he has the power to break down and expose a persons pride the same way he breaks down and exposes his many ""lovers""
@@frederickambaritaa8057Zeus is the freakiest god like ever and he personifies pride as a woman he can manipulate and have his way with
@@pencilRC1 Zeus is THE freak
It's also not just Zeus saying he can expose somebody's pride, but that HE is the master of pride. Pride is his Domain, much like Women are his domain, at least to his mine. He's both telling him he made a mistake letting letting himself grow full of pride, but also sort of a "How dare you try to take something that belongs to me?"
@@matainer That last part was funny because Zeus takes women who aren't his all the time so that's kinda hypocritical of him 😂😂😂😂
i wish someone could just make an Animatic where the Immortal Cows are like the Flying Sheep from The Boys.
come on Eurylochus, you wanted to ditch your crew at Circes' island just a few songs and maybe a saga ago and now you're mad?
Tbf, Odysseus spent the whole story so far repeatingly preaching about altruism and keeping eachother alive. Also abandoning someone to avoid more deaths is different than directly throwing people into their deaths without elaboration.
@@shadesteel9247 also like was he really willing to kill his friend to get home? like damn
Ok ok but like.... They had sirens. Why didn't they keep the sirens and give them to eat at Scylla ? I mean... meat is meat. And if she eats who take the torches, it would be easy to put them in decoy. If they were scared the sirens will attack them, they could just cut their tongues and part of their tails by exemple so they couldn't run.
And with that, problem solved : no one die in the crews and they can all passed and the theme of monster is respected. It make the more sens !
Ok so people already thought about that 😂My bad
I think she doesnt accept sea creatures
(pls ignore, i just wanted to write while listening)
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2:32 I Odysseus, buddy, I know it was probably common sense that she was a siren (and I'm glad you were sure about that beforehand) are you that far gone that it doesn't even phase you to shoot something that looks like your wife in the face
Bro has been WAITING for that. After all, he had to shoot SOMETHING at his wife's face, after all, it's been years since he saw her.
@@JesusChrist-lu1vj fair enough, I just can't get the image out of my head of Odysseus suddenly pulling out a Glock, and taking pop shots at the siren pretending to be his wife (though I think you're joke makes this situation a lot funnier than it was)
It was a mix of the extremely logical and cold monster he has turned into with the fact that he is profoundly angry that she is trying to use his wife's face against him.
In that moment his cold rage overrides his love for her face. Besides he gave her several chances to stop after her had what he wanted from her.
@@josephflynn9792it definitely does show how different he's become, I don't think there are many other people who could do what he did even if they know that it logically had to be someone impersonating their wife (though of course I think the man is tired of having his wife's face or name used against him)
To the people who say Eurylocus deserves what happened to him and the rest of the crew, I propose one question. What does Odysseus deserve?
a nap
well he's going to live the rest of his life with the guilt of killing his entire crew. They all stayed away from home for 12+ years, but he's the only one who survived and got to see home. Isn't this enough?
hey thaz for the full track
Thank you
Honest? E opening the wind bag and killing the cows? How stupid can one first mate be?
euroylchus. Biggest hyppocrite around
That's what I said in the most liked comment reply section
So is Ody. That’s kind of the point of the musical
@@comradekolbot2220 is Ody a hypocrite?
I think the reason why Eurylochus moralizes Odysseus over sacrificing 6 men when he killed 558 due to paranoia was not because of the number of casualties (dying to poseidon can be seen as just happenstance, simple bad weather at sea), but because of the nature of their deaths (Eurylochus was simply inept, Odysseus actively chose this), now, Eurylochus probably wanted to throw a mutiny for a while, he just meeded a reason to ryle the crew behind him, Odysseus must've thought this too, since he wanted Eurylochus gone too, he just got lucky to pass the torch, which made it clear his captain wanted to get rid of him already, so with Odysseus getting unstable enough as to be willing to give out lives for his own motives and already on his black list, he saw it necessary to step up, so he brought that as his argument to make the crew realize none of them were safe from Odysseus.
Toby Fox lent him his Undertale piano at the end there.
Something occurred to me, could they have gone through Scylla without torches and all made it? Or was the cost Ody mentioned during Suffering that 6 people would need sacrificed?
Scylla is a six headed sea monster, a man for each head.
I suppose if there was no torches, she would have just attacked the whole ship to find something and if she had done that, there would have been way more than six deaths
Think of it like a toll.
If you try to go around it, then they will just take everything.
So instead of 6, it would have been all of them. Or at least their boat would be destroyed and then they'd drown.
We don't know for certain but that is what I take from this.
I only just realised that in the original version of the oddessy, the sirens are ment to be prophets and almost all their prophecies have come true. So the sirens saying "i will take the suffering from you" was actually hinting at the suffering oddyseus would experience later on in the saga
i am the only one who has been lisenting to epic the musicsal for over 5 hours-
Is Thunder Saga the last part or is there more to come?
@@cloudmocha9130 Nope! Much more to come. It’s only around the 50% mark (60% by the end of it)
@@frederickambaritaa8057 I can’t wait for more 🎉🥳
Its wild the songs go from them killing the sirens to him killing 6 men like damn ody
Man scllyas got pipes
Oddy after killing the sirens: wanna play mermaids in the ocean with these?
Nice, thank you for your work
I honestly got fooled by the siren, I thought this was a flashback along with the theory that monster was the intermission song, a fade to black. Thought this was gonna be an interesting flashback to something that happened a while ago to show growth n maybe forshadow the next adventure, but that howl and 'let's cut the charade' made me go "oooooooooh right, he played peekaboo with the sirens'
16:16 - Suffering Reprise
Can u do the ocean saga?❤
Zeus is incredibly chilling
I kinda ruined the tone for myself because I thought multiple men stabbed Odysseus through the back with swords, only for him to wake up with a headache, so I just pictured him rubbing his head with bandages through multiple fatal wounds.
I went to sleep to this
hloy moly indeed
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Can you add lyrics in captions
Shoulda had fin soup
It is 6:39 what is it now
Those last beats of music ruin me. You know, the little beats of piano clean it up..
Ill never get over how everyone gives him shit no matter what he does. in the beginning they were bashing him for using his mind. and then everyone gets upset when he changes his tactics.
You do realize six families won’t see their love ones come home right? How do you think Ody will have to explain that to them? Would he? Does he have to? Does Odysseus have actually suffer any consequences of any of the families that were waiting for them to come back to Ithaca going to get any semblance of closure that Ody will likely get once he gets back to his family? Odysseus isn’t any different from the people who served under him. That’s the point of the musical. Not that he’s right, but he is just a man.
@@comradekolbot2220 Never said he was right. I just found it funny when I first heard it.
Ngl, I thought Ody was honest about being scared of the water after… well…
(Motions to Poseidan)