This a keeper video, so many useful techniques for various things, and yessa, that sharpener is a beauty, especially with the belt on it. Thanks for sharing.
I was looking at them years ago for my turning tools. I think the price was a bit more than a slow speed 8 inch Baldor. It is variable speed, or at least they were, so there should never be any overheating issues. They did have CBN wheels, and I thought they had diamond wheels but electro/nickel plated rather than the matrix type.
The best feature with resin wheels is they are designed to shed the old worn diamonds and replace with new fresh ones. No more spending a year using a electro plated wheel wishing it was like it was when new. its always like new. Resin diamond wheels is the standard for Industrial applications. This wheel was the last of many cuttermaster sent me for testing and evaluation. It's a never before recipe I'm told. It's faster than SG250 on my machine. And it won't change size!
Well, several things here. I had a set of resin bonded/matrix type wheels for sharpening my lathe tools maybe 15 or more years ago, can't remember. I called up Norton to ask about other wheels since the previous set I got lasted about 6 months. My grinder at the time was a no name slow speed grinder from Woodcraft. It worked. Anyway, Norton sent me to a local division of Foley Bell Saw or some thing like that, and I was asking about diamond wheels. Oh no, you don't want diamond, you need CBN (cubic boric nitride). I got 2 wheels with about 3/16 inch of bonded material on an aluminum hub. About that time I stepped up to a Baldor 3/4 hp motor, also slow speed. The problem I had with those CBN wheels was that over time and many sharpenings of my lathe tools, all M2HSS, the wheels developed run out and I took them back several times to have the wheels trued up. They did give me some very hard aluminum oxide pieces to clean up the wheels when they loaded up, which they did do. After a few years with those CBN wheels, the nickel plated wheels started coming out. With them, in production work, I get about 5 years out of a wheel. The problem with diamond is that they desintegrate if they they get hot, or maybe just too hot. A slow speed grinder is too much for them. So, if the plated wheels are not lasting a few years, then I would guess they are running too fast. The nice thing about the Tradesman is that it is variable speed. I think initially they were for the CNC business. The Tormek and clones with the water wheels keep the diamonds fresh, and they never over heat. However, they don't have coarse grit wheels.
I like watching build videos so all your trailer builds are appreciated here. The more details the better as far as I'm concerned. I'm not mobile yet but I'd like to be one day.
@@iSharpen check out “Peter built IT” look at custom boat build & e-bike sidecar. It’s not sharpening related but if you like builds you might like my other channel.
Looks a nice machine Peter, I notice the wheels are further apart than the Tormek which is a good thing, looking forward to new videos, P.S. I'm a retired knife sharpener myself
My guess if you brought that up to the Tormeks leader they would say you're using it wrong. Like when I complained their wheels are going out of round faster than ever. I even sent a nice video showing how out of round it was. They told me its operator error.@@lililililililili8667
Interesting machine for sure. The specs you list don't seem to match the ones I'm seeing on the website, though. They say the machine is variable from 14-400 rpm. I think you were maybe referencing the feet-per-second for the belts? I also don't see a version there with resin-bonded wheels. The ability to run belts and wheels on a single machine is way cool!
My unit is a brand new model with different gears and features. I just grabbed a pic from cuttermaster’s site that is the closest. Yes the dual belt is a feature that I kept insisting was just as essential as increasing the speed. Cuttermaster is a small company that can modify the product fast and it’s not a committee making decisions. I’ve actually had 3 versions of this product and a couple more improvements are coming soon. A new design tool rest that works with the belt mounting and an automatic wetting system that is being refined. My laser is the best feature I think but they haven’t commented to improving the design I cobbled together. At least Amazon sells the parts I used and it works well but needs adjusting at the start of the day since I have to remove and replace each day. Cuttermaster’s machine shop could improve it a lot.
Thats a nice machine Peter, I've been running Tormek for years and with success (one of them is borrowed from a friend) when he wants it back, maybe I will consider going to this, seeing as they offer a 240V version aswell. Those resin diamond wheels supplied by tradesmaster too or third party? Are you going to grind dry or wet? Also an option instead of a squirt bottle is to attach a wet sponge to the wheel with a rubber band or something.
They have a water trough option, but by the looks of it it seems like it would create quite a mess ... especially if you were running the machine at 400 rpm.
cuttermaster has tried several options for water. When I received my first machine it used sponges. Works great with fine grit wheels. But 120g belt or the 100G resin wheel eats the sponges. I'm using a spray bottle and its working well. With knives that are not needing me to apply heavy pressure I can go dry even at 1000 rpm but watch it. I've requested cuttermaster to work on an air water auto mist option and they are testing and think they have something good coming. that said the biggest game changer to be productive is Laser Jigs. I made one and it's amazing. Almost as spot on as using Jigs. Video coming very soon. Cuttermaster might develop a slicker version but for now amazon sells the parts I used to make mine. Subscribe to see it when its out.
The unit I have is a new design I pushed for. I just received it a few weeks ago. I have no idea the cost. When I used Tormek/Wen it seemed at 120 the water from a trough started to almost lift off the wheel. Raincoat required at 140 rpm. A lot less pressure required when running a 10" wheel at 1000 rpm. Less pressure, less heat. So a spray bottle works very well.
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER aaah I think I have seen those, Line lasers no? Also when they say diamond resin, is it diamond or CBN? I know for a fact diamond requires cooling and does not cope with high temps same way CBN does, so not only watch the knife, but most importantly the wheel, man those things are not cheap...
Awesome! I've seen that machine before, but I didn't know much about it. I love how easy it pivots, the platens on both sides, how the belt fits over the diamond wheel. I do most of my sharpening at home with a PE style system. Not really transportable. I have a 2000 w power station with a 1920 wh battery. That should easily be able to power this thing, correct?
You have a manufacturer of abrasives for tormek Pride Abrasive in the USA. the cost of silicon carbide is $85. You could test their wheels so that to understand, order them or not.
Many are not water proof. Some are water resistant, but some dissolve when wet. I got mine from Tru Grit in Ontario, CA +1 (909) 923-4116 But in 2x42 they don’t have any of the long lasting engineered abrasives. Cuttermaster does sell a good one made in Canada. One came with my machine. I just ordered a couple more to test grits. This belt has 1mm sized pyramids. The backs are unprinted so I ordered the 3 courses. Im trying it for putting the apex on. When trying the engineered grits order one courser to get expected results.
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER At first it was charging me over 300$ to ship but I did it over and now it’s telling me 57$ which is better. You running the belt attachment over your diamond wheel?
Nice sharpener, good review. Unless you're doing production or extremely well off - the price is prohibitive - TRADESMAN EDGE APEX $ 2,356.00 - $ 2,993.00 (USD)
Indeed, Can't agree more. I make up to $1500 in 5 hours on a very good day.1/2 that on a very bad day. My channel is about fast production. I'm not skilled enough to do videos on the very best techniques on pet knives. It's about doing the best you can in 1 minute and have my customers be very satisfied. I often let my customers know where they can go "near by" for quality hand sharpening and an edge that makes your hair on your neck stand up. But only once in 5 years has anyone taken me up on the offer for info. Instead all others opted for the quick turn around I provide. Know your customers! thanks for taking time to send your comment, its always appreciated. Subscribe. More videos coming fast!
Awesome. Your content is worth waiting 6 years for!
Thank you, Peter, this is awesome. Great trailer, too!
Glad you're back
This a keeper video, so many useful techniques for various things, and yessa, that sharpener is a beauty, especially with the belt on it.
Thanks for sharing.
I was looking at them years ago for my turning tools. I think the price was a bit more than a slow speed 8 inch Baldor. It is variable speed, or at least they were, so there should never be any overheating issues. They did have CBN wheels, and I thought they had diamond wheels but electro/nickel plated rather than the matrix type.
The best feature with resin wheels is they are designed to shed the old worn diamonds and replace with new fresh ones. No more spending a year using a electro plated wheel wishing it was like it was when new. its always like new. Resin diamond wheels is the standard for Industrial applications. This wheel was the last of many cuttermaster sent me for testing and evaluation. It's a never before recipe I'm told. It's faster than SG250 on my machine. And it won't change size!
Well, several things here. I had a set of resin bonded/matrix type wheels for sharpening my lathe tools maybe 15 or more years ago, can't remember. I called up Norton to ask about other wheels since the previous set I got lasted about 6 months. My grinder at the time was a no name slow speed grinder from Woodcraft. It worked. Anyway, Norton sent me to a local division of Foley Bell Saw or some thing like that, and I was asking about diamond wheels. Oh no, you don't want diamond, you need CBN (cubic boric nitride). I got 2 wheels with about 3/16 inch of bonded material on an aluminum hub. About that time I stepped up to a Baldor 3/4 hp motor, also slow speed. The problem I had with those CBN wheels was that over time and many sharpenings of my lathe tools, all M2HSS, the wheels developed run out and I took them back several times to have the wheels trued up. They did give me some very hard aluminum oxide pieces to clean up the wheels when they loaded up, which they did do. After a few years with those CBN wheels, the nickel plated wheels started coming out. With them, in production work, I get about 5 years out of a wheel. The problem with diamond is that they desintegrate if they they get hot, or maybe just too hot. A slow speed grinder is too much for them. So, if the plated wheels are not lasting a few years, then I would guess they are running too fast. The nice thing about the Tradesman is that it is variable speed. I think initially they were for the CNC business. The Tormek and clones with the water wheels keep the diamonds fresh, and they never over heat. However, they don't have coarse grit wheels.
I like watching build videos so all your trailer builds are appreciated here. The more details the better as far as I'm concerned. I'm not mobile yet but I'd like to be one day.
@@iSharpen check out “Peter built IT” look at custom boat build & e-bike sidecar. It’s not sharpening related but if you like builds you might like my other channel.
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER awesome!
Nice work Peter
good to see you posting again!
that new knife sharpener looks intresting, they do look quite expensive tho
Good stuff Peter!
Thanks for great news 🙂
I’ve learned a ton from your videos. Thank you for everything and good to see you posting more great content.
Several in process. Thanks.
Looks a nice machine Peter, I notice the wheels are further apart than the Tormek which is a good thing, looking forward to new videos,
P.S. I'm a retired knife sharpener myself
Tormek wheels being so close is such an annoyance idk what they were thinking
@@lililililililili8667 yeaaa I guess they tried to design one machine for everything, woodworking tools don't require such width that knives do.
My guess if you brought that up to the Tormeks leader they would say you're using it wrong. Like when I complained their wheels are going out of round faster than ever. I even sent a nice video showing how out of round it was. They told me its operator error.@@lililililililili8667
Interesting machine for sure. The specs you list don't seem to match the ones I'm seeing on the website, though. They say the machine is variable from 14-400 rpm. I think you were maybe referencing the feet-per-second for the belts? I also don't see a version there with resin-bonded wheels. The ability to run belts and wheels on a single machine is way cool!
My unit is a brand new model with different gears and features. I just grabbed a pic from cuttermaster’s site that is the closest. Yes the dual belt is a feature that I kept insisting was just as essential as increasing the speed.
Cuttermaster is a small company that can modify the product fast and it’s not a committee making decisions. I’ve actually had 3 versions of this product and a couple more improvements are coming soon.
A new design tool rest that works with the belt mounting and an automatic wetting system that is being refined.
My laser is the best feature I think but they haven’t commented to improving the design I cobbled together. At least Amazon sells the parts I used and it works well but needs adjusting at the start of the day since I have to remove and replace each day. Cuttermaster’s machine shop could improve it a lot.
Nice Rig !!! @@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER
Wonderful stuff! I'm digging the new rig! Very spendy but if it works it's worth it.
Do you have a video on how you sharpen garden tools at markets? I do a couple of garden markets and would like to get faster at doing them.
Thats a nice machine Peter, I've been running Tormek for years and with success (one of them is borrowed from a friend) when he wants it back, maybe I will consider going to this, seeing as they offer a 240V version aswell.
Those resin diamond wheels supplied by tradesmaster too or third party?
Are you going to grind dry or wet? Also an option instead of a squirt bottle is to attach a wet sponge to the wheel with a rubber band or something.
They have a water trough option, but by the looks of it it seems like it would create quite a mess ... especially if you were running the machine at 400 rpm.
cuttermaster has tried several options for water. When I received my first machine it used sponges. Works great with fine grit wheels. But 120g belt or the 100G resin wheel eats the sponges. I'm using a spray bottle and its working well. With knives that are not needing me to apply heavy pressure I can go dry even at 1000 rpm but watch it. I've requested cuttermaster to work on an air water auto mist option and they are testing and think they have something good coming. that said the biggest game changer to be productive is Laser Jigs. I made one and it's amazing. Almost as spot on as using Jigs. Video coming very soon. Cuttermaster might develop a slicker version but for now amazon sells the parts I used to make mine. Subscribe to see it when its out.
The unit I have is a new design I pushed for. I just received it a few weeks ago. I have no idea the cost. When I used Tormek/Wen it seemed at 120 the water from a trough started to almost lift off the wheel. Raincoat required at 140 rpm. A lot less pressure required when running a 10" wheel at 1000 rpm. Less pressure, less heat. So a spray bottle works very well.
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER aaah I think I have seen those, Line lasers no? Also when they say diamond resin, is it diamond or CBN? I know for a fact diamond requires cooling and does not cope with high temps same way CBN does, so not only watch the knife, but most importantly the wheel, man those things are not cheap...
Awesome! I've seen that machine before, but I didn't know much about it. I love how easy it pivots, the platens on both sides, how the belt fits over the diamond wheel. I do most of my sharpening at home with a PE style system. Not really transportable. I have a 2000 w power station with a 1920 wh battery. That should easily be able to power this thing, correct?
Goooooood
You have a manufacturer of abrasives for tormek Pride Abrasive in the USA. the cost of silicon carbide is $85. You could test their wheels so that to understand, order them or not.
Where do you get your belts? I see lots of people selling 2x42 belts but not sure if they're waterproof or not.
Many are not water proof. Some are water resistant, but some dissolve when wet. I got mine from Tru Grit in Ontario, CA +1 (909) 923-4116
But in 2x42 they don’t have any of the long lasting engineered abrasives. Cuttermaster does sell a good one made in Canada. One came with my machine. I just ordered a couple more to test grits. This belt has 1mm sized pyramids. The backs are unprinted so I ordered the 3 courses. Im trying it for putting the apex on. When trying the engineered grits order one courser to get expected results.
Can you please make a video on the tradesman edge, thanks 🙏
I plan on it but I’ve been busy with elderly patients. But stand by, it will happen
Any updates?
Yes but lots going on now. Stand by.
Considering this is 3x the price of a Tormek, I would really expect it to be better it every single way too tbh
it is far faster and more flexible in how you use it. Im working on a video explaining all the ways you can use it.
Thought about it ordering BUT shipping is outrageous! No thanks!
How much is shipping?
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER At first it was charging me over 300$ to ship but I did it over and now it’s telling me 57$ which is better. You running the belt attachment over your diamond wheel?
@@robertmunguia250 this week I’m posting my update. To much to thumb type here.
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER ok thanks.
Nice sharpener, good review. Unless you're doing production or extremely well off - the price is prohibitive - TRADESMAN EDGE APEX
$ 2,356.00 - $ 2,993.00 (USD)
Indeed, Can't agree more. I make up to $1500 in 5 hours on a very good day.1/2 that on a very bad day. My channel is about fast production. I'm not skilled enough to do videos on the very best techniques on pet knives. It's about doing the best you can in 1 minute and have my customers be very satisfied. I often let my customers know where they can go "near by" for quality hand sharpening and an edge that makes your hair on your neck stand up. But only once in 5 years has anyone taken me up on the offer for info. Instead all others opted for the quick turn around I provide. Know your customers! thanks for taking time to send your comment, its always appreciated. Subscribe. More videos coming fast!