Scoped Baker Rifle? What next?
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- Опубликовано: 10 апр 2024
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Ridley Scott's Napoleon seems, at best, to be an epic fanfic , which is fine but why oh why was a spyglass strapped to a Baker rifle to snype at Boney? We explore the what-if of this set up, cook up a slightly more believable version, and see if Chap can hit a barn door at 50m with it.
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Chap, Bloke and Rob should have a watch party of "Napoleon" and record the roasting of the movie.
I'd much rather watch their reactions than see the movie myself.
holy crap that would be *AWESOME*
Yes yes yes 😁😁😁😁
You only watch Ridley film for the film itself never the history. Take Gladiator for example, in that one three and a half named are right. Every other but of "history"? Nope everything else totally wrong. ... That's it three and a half names and that does not include the name of the eternal city itself for over half of the film
This must happen. Bring in Redcoat History, Gun Jesus, and Paper Cartridges and have a blast.
Bloke could stand to learn a good one-liner; "I've got plenty of class, but it's all third."
there are 4 shots that came low that would have improved the emperors breathing
You can safely say that your rifle/scope combination was accurate to 1 M.O.N. ( Minute of Napoleon).
and he's short, so that's pretty good
I had to stop myself from bursting out laughing when I saw the scoped baker rifle scene in Napoleon, at the cinema the other month . I recommend not watching the movie, its a couple of hours of your life you will never get back
Patrick O'Brian describes Jack using spider silk to add cross hairs to his astronomy telescope in one of the Maturin/Aubrey novels, which always struck me as the triumph of ingenuity over practicality, but it turns out it was common practice in that time period.
Now you mention it yes indeed. Those novels are my literary comfort blanket.
My dad used to work for Barr and Stroud in the 50s making optical range finders. he told me they used spider silk to make the cross hairs. For a long time I thought he was winding me up, but he wasnt.
If a scoped Baker had existed in 1815, it would probably have been an officers private purchase experimental weapon. Rather than being bodged together by Rifleman Muggins.
Muggins would just have been the test shooter, to see if the idea worked well enough to interest the Ordnance Board.
Thanks Chap!
That was fun! "It is not the business of commanders to be firing upon one another." - Wellington is supposed so have said this to one of his artillerymen....
As a kid, I had a toy cork gun and a plastic toy spyglass, and I did the same thing: I attached the spyglass to the gun using blue electrical tape. :D
Perhaps the ridiculous helmets with a half-visor from Ridley Scott's movie "The Last Duel" will create an ideal combination with the Scoped Baker rifle in some of his future "historical" film masterpiece .
:D I've been waiting for that. :D
Pretty excited to learn that merica was the 1st ones to slap an optic on a smoke pole... thanks chap!
I was really amused with this sketch and totally lost it with the 'Chinesium' comment. 🤣🤣🤣😂
Thanks Chap and Bloke for this "most odd" demonstration!
to be fair to the scope if you were shooting at a full size human target and not just the head it looks like those 3/4 shots below would have hit.
Yes but the shot in the film goes through his hat.
This is totally bonkers. I love it
gaffer taped eyeglass on a baker rifle? now thats soldering.
...but only if you "tap load" the rifle as well.😉
On a scale of 1 to 10... how many baguettes does Chap lose by taking potshots at a fellow Frenchman much less the Emperor?
Surely the Chap is serving with the Chasseurs Britanniques so is a loyal French Royalist and a Bourbon ally of the Allied forces.
Vive les Chasseurs Britanniques!
Vive le Roi!
I do note M. Muggins has been taught his English by the common troops so is clearly no gentleman unlike the estimable Chap.
@@johnfisk811 Ah! The Prince of Conde's chaps... yes.
I don't know why, but the fact that this "scope" is that simple and makeshift makes me like it even more.
There's something to it, because, although it's very simple, you did it nicely and carefully.
Also, never seen a flintlock with a scope
Chap you are a very weird fellow and only YOU would have thunk this up.
Love your presentation and your backdrop of lathe and mill is so so cool.
Chap has totally gone "steam punk" in this one. Wow, what next a yellow submarine? I think a simple tube using the pinhole effect would have worked better.
That was fascinating. I can't believe how many times you actually hit that frame.
I say! Great show gentlemen! Kicked the myth straight in the teeth, excellent work!
Those telescopes only "telescoped" in order to make them easier to carry around. Since you have a full length rifle you could easily use a solid tube scope like an astronomer. Personally I think those optics owe most of their popularity to Errol Flynn, pirate movies, and Disney, so a film maker decided to have a laugh within and about the genre of films.
A telescope is used in the film so so did I. I’m pretty sure the American gentlemen in the 1770s used a solid tube though.
The verb "telescope" comes from the action of a three draw telescope. Not the other way around. A solid tube optic is still a telescope.
See, that is what I found interesting when I started typing my comment, that the noun has become a verb, but the root definition remains "distance seeing" yet the verb means to change length, solely because of that goofy nesting tube concept which is not essential to the optical device. Language is goofy.
Yes but the conceit of the movie is that he's 'obtained' a telescope for the purpose - which would have been a telescoping type for the very reason you give.
@@zoiders From wikipedia:
Etymology
The word telescope was coined in 1611 by the Greek mathematician Giovanni Demisiani for one of Galileo Galilei's instruments presented at a banquet at the Accademia dei Lincei.[2][3] In the Starry Messenger, Galileo had used the Latin term perspicillum. The root of the word is from the Ancient Greek τῆλε, romanized tele 'far' and σκοπεῖν, skopein 'to look or see'; τηλεσκόπος, teleskopos 'far-seeing'.[4]
Video rated more than Slightly entertaining and vaguely intresting. Not sure how I feel about this! Good work as always
Hi chap
Tbh I thought it was an April at first as not seen film myself
Getting a big chunk of Lanarkshire blue cheese for you for this video 😉😉😉
Bestest from Scotland 👍👍👍
Aloha; fantastic! Well done sir! Happy Aloha Friday!
"Not soldiering"....Richard Sharpe.
Telescope is for your spotter.
I absolutely loved it Chappie ❤️
👍 Thank you !
As a Fan of the Sharpe Series (Tv-Series and Books) i was nearly freaking out mad 🤬at the cinema while watching the movie
Hakeswill would have his ass for that!
I think it looks really good! Steampunk.
very entertaining Chap
A modern rifle & scope is a challenge offhand at x 25 power
Usually eye protection is for when something goes wrong...With this, on the other hand, it's absolutely necssary to be able to shoot a second time with the same eye. 🤕🤓
Interesting Ol' Nappy ran down to show himself near to you, mighty kind of him. Surprised he didn´t make one of his snappy comments, as he is known to make.
My observbation, hitting three times low and hitting the unshown body to the body were also in the sniper's triangle and were sure to ruin his day.
Very enjoyable video !
Love to see the Baker with a proper scope on it. I think these old gunpowder weapons are perfect for the post apocalypse in terms of ammo availability. If modern optics could assist in the accuracy it would interesting ... or is the Baker's accuracy such that modern optics add no value?
There are plenty of new muzzle loaders on the American market that are scoped. Mostly intended as a way around hunting seasons and restrictions on centre fire rifles in some areas. Mostly cities with rural areas within the boundaries.
Great stuff Sir!
Too cool!
Yeah, I was actually surprised to learn that Good ol Wild west already had optics mounts. I kind of assumed ww1 was when scopes developed because the fighting distance and lethality of being seen moved shooters further away.
Good ol' US Civil War actually - 10 years earlier.
Thanks!
Good video Chap, well done.
A set-up more dodgy than some of the Last-Ditch Croatian weapons Ian has on Forgotten Weapons.
Of course the three shots that hit below ol' Boney's head would also, quite likely, have killed him, not just the head shot.
However, it's still a rubbish idea, even if it would have been a cheap "Anglaisium" telescope in period instead of "Chinesium".
Only thing that would have been cheesier would have been had the Rifleman been played by Sean Bean.
Excellent!
now this is neo steam punk.
Allways makes me wonder how much damage a steel ramrod is doing to the rifleing at the muzzle, most shooters would use a plastic coated rod to eliminate the possibility of this happening. Great fun to see you giving this a go 👍( the reason Wellington's army won was the use of black flint as it's superior to the yellow foreign stuff) -joke😜
I think its actually far less that we assume, they also fired far less than we tend to think. On the majority of surviving rifles I've had in my hands the issues down bore come from corrosion, which probably occured after they left service, the rifling is usually still strong. P.S For normal range shooting I also generally use a brass tipped coated rod.
It's also hard to tell wether damage is from the ramrod or from rough cleaning.
Norwegian soldiers used crushed brick as an abrasive cleaner back in the BP days, and with Kammerlader rifles they didn't have rigid cleaning rods but used branches cut off trees for the most part. Consequently, a lot of them have damage near the muzzle even though they never used a ramrod because breech loader.
7:00 - Kubrick/Barry Lyndon reference?
Now I really want to know where the tacticool hoodie came from!
Gnarco
Well You got 5 runners and 2 horses But Boneapart on the 8 shot that was Not Sinper system
Hollywood wuz lying to me 😮
It's the Eye of Reach from Sea of Thieves but irl XD
Is a Baker rifle even accurate enough for a scope to make much difference anyway (even assuming that you can zero it and keep it zeroed)? I mean yes, obviously it's far more accurate than a smoothbore musket. But it's still not a modern rifle. So I'm pretty sure we're still talking somewhere on the order of ~10 MOA (give or take) aren't we? I believe that should appear to be nearly pin-point accurate to the naked eye. But as soon you start applying any amount of magnification it should become very obvious very quickly that it isn't pin-point accurate.
Large round ball accuracy decreases quite quickly with range , even from a rifle so I think that at ranges where magnification would be needed, a scope would not really increase the probability of a hit.
@@thebotrchap Ah, but it's the closest you'll get to Georgian night vision (light gathering properties of a scope) and handy for spotting... Still not worth it though.
Where did Bloke get the Tac-tie-cool hoodie??
Gnarco
@@BlokeontheRange Sweet, thanks Bloke!
how many shots with the irons though?
Miner lamp for a ight fighting
Thr film obviously sufferes from a large amount of Hollywooding! A fun video all the same!
Where did you get that rifle? Is it a Baker and is that a brass barrel??? Great video!! Just subscribed.
100% accurate reproduction made by Peter Dyson & Son. The barrel finish is a slightly translucent brown so I guess it can look like tarnished brass 😊. Happy to have you with us
The whole film is a "f***-u" to fans of history. They're passing off these details as, "we knew better but chose not to," when it was really they did what they thought was cool. It's like the kids in school who act like they knew the answer all along but didn't raise their hand when the teacher asked. If you knew, do it right. We would see the attempt at getting it historically accurate as legit but when they went completely off the rails, it was at best an "alt-history" but not done as well or as entertainingly as "Inglorious Basterds".
If there was this and a couple other brief silly bits in a generally accurate movie, I could believe the "we are just trolling the nerds" stuff and potentially even get behind it being funny. But looking at the big picture, it seems far more likely that they just didn't care.
Koment forkomentstuff🥃
Salty Comment to feed the Algorithm. Cor, Blimey, scoped Baker is bonkers, or Dickie Sharpe would've dunnit!
I want to know why that downspout is pointing into the range please?
Err, it's not? It's outside...
@@BlokeontheRange Err which way is the spout pointing? If I can see you and I can see the end of spout then it is pointing into the range.
I hope your glasses are okay!
Yes, I actually only noticed the scope slamming into my glasses when editing the footage. It would have been a different story if the scope had been a solid tube 😮
when history is based on Modern Warfare...
According the reviews i read, in addition of constant gross historical innacuracies, it's a bad movie, completly inconsistent.
It's not one of Sir Ridleys best.
That's a shame considering how historically accurate his "Duelists" was. (One of my all-time favorites BTW)
@@dbmail545 I've seen this one longtime ago, indeed, a very good movie, with powerful dialogues (seen it in french).
To be fair, it the thumbnail pic, he looks to be using another dude’s head as a rest or monopod. LOL Maybe you should have used Bloke’s head? He IS just short enough to have maybe worked. 😂
machinist V block...
It was indeed my inspiration
That looks to be about as shit as the Bloke's SA-80 bayonet.
Hi! You didn't even cover your press lever, don't do that, your video will be demonetized!
Personally, i don't think it's any of my business, but you know RUclips chaotic rules.
Patreon subscriber. New vid!? Comments 2 weeks old...? Clearly I am not paying enough to be in the cool crowd. Or Patreon is doing the YT and not notifying properly.
Might be, but only 5$ and up patrons get vids as soon as they're uploaded. I've been busy and away so managed to forget the Wednesday prelaunch this week, sorry for that...
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please no satirical skits. it hurts
But, you did get 3 good hits & 1 possible on his upper torso. :)