Thank you so much for this great video. As a retired elementary school teacher I have to say you are a GREAT teacher. Your presentation is clear, concise and gets to the points to be made, and this makes your presentation a joy to watch and listen to. I learned a lot from this and it is greatly appreciated. Best wishes. Liked and Subscribed.
It is vital to point out that the HS is a "wave morphing synth", not just wavetable. You can create a table by morphing between any selected waveforms. This is what made the VST Serum special when it came out and to not highlight this misses a main point of the HS design.
I loved them both, and was blessed with being able to buy both. So I linked both of them up with a MIDI cord and had the best synth experiences I have ever had. I think the Hydrasynth can get a wider palette of sounds, but then it is also easier to get lost in random exploration.
I have the mini version of that setup! A Microfreak and the desktop Hydrasynth. Even that is magical, especially with the Microfreak's unique keys. It's fantastic to hear it scales up nicely.
I had both but ultimately returned my Hydrasynth Explorer. It was a tough decision but at the end of the day the Minifreak is far, far easier to program and did not stifle my creativity in the process. The Hydrasynth is excellent though and can create some amazing patches. I'd say if you are about deep sound design and don't mind a slower workflow the Hydrasynth is a good bet but if you are like me and value speed at the expense of sheer depth and features then the Minifreak is better. Both sound wonderful, imo.
It's so weird - I have a ton of synths, but apart from my more "traditional synths" (Model D, WASP Deluxe, System 1, Mother 32, etc.), I find my Hydrasynth Explorer the easiest to program by far (more complex synths include Summit, Microfreak, Virus TI2, etc.). I think a lot of it depends on how your brain works, and they Hydrasynth just makes total sense to me, and the section buttons just help guide my workflow. Everybody's different, hence why there are so many great synths on the market with totally different workflows!
@@swid_swid_swid Hey whatever works for your brain is best! I would tend to agree that on a lot of levels it is an easy synth to program considering it's depth and complexity. What it came down to for me is that I like working within harder limitations so the Minifreak gelled better with it's more simplistic architecture. Ultimately there is no perfect synth or tool though... just better ones for certain tasks and purposes. We can all pray we don't spend too much money finding out which one those are for ourselves though (as I have...)
This was a fantastic comparison! I have a Hydra (first iteration). I'm in love with the Minifreak, but dont have it yet, so this was the perfect video. (Arturia is killing it on interface and marketing.) Thanks!
Been putting money to the side for my first synth and I’ve been going back and forth between these two. This was the perfect video for me man I appreciate this!!!
I have both and more . Honestly for your first Synth I highly recommend the Korg Minilogue Xd with keys . It’s way better for a stater Synth because everything is hands on for the most part. It will be easier to learn sound design. I think the Hydra synth is the best ever for sound design but even for me with decades of experience had to read the manual to learn it . One you learn it it’s simple but it does have a learning curve .
Great video but it’s like comparing apples to oranges. Hydra is not made to just sound analog it for sound design. The Hydra has wave scan , 2 mutants and feedback on all 8 Oscillators .No other synths have that . That’s why the Hydra wins .
Great comparison! I've owned my Hydrasynth Keyboard for 2 1/2 years and I love it. Hydrasynth Desktop is really really good it has Audio in, pads are poly touch as well. Hydrasynth has a great signal route right there in front of you, that's really important if you want to change something in the signal chain right away.
Actually I returned Desktop after trying Explorer in store. Lol. Both are great but I missed the keys to much. I loved how polyAT is realized, even in such small keys. Also, didn’t find smaller screens and less knobs limiting - it even allowed mi to focus more on couple parameters at hand. I had also feeling (but I haven’t done side by side comparison) that Explorer sounded a bit better - but that could be because of polyAT playing such a big role in most of factory presets.
You CAN overdrive the MiniFreak. Just plug one of your outs back to the audio in, in the settings push up the preset volume up to a comfortable +db and tadaaa.
The Hydrasynth can process external audio through the Mod In input, using the ring modulator. Select the Mod In as the ring modulator source, turn up its level, but set the modulation depth to zero.
Definitely go for the Minifreak if an onboard sequencer is a must have, but the Hydrasynth can be very rhythmic as well - the arpeggiator is great, envelopes can loop, and LFOs can be stepped, all in sync with the BPM. The Macros are very powerful and provide infinite playability, and the mod matrix is deep - but it has perhaps the best hardware UI of any synth currently on the market, and is very easy to navigate and learn. The Hydrasynth is more infinite, the Mini is a little more trippy with less effort, both sound fantastic. The poly aftertouch on the Hydrasynth is incredibly expressive, it's a feature that can't be oversold.
The workflow on the Hydrasynth is different from most other synths but it has more envelopes and LFOs. I do however prefer the mod matrix workflow on the Minifreak. (I own both the Minifreak and the Hydrasynth Desktop so I think they both have pros and cons).
7:44 You can "drive the filter" on the minifreak via Macro's. Set one of the Macros to modulate a Drive/Distortion Filter amount and the filter cut off. You can even get fancy and modulate a bit of OSC 2 if you have it set to one of the Noise Engineering waves. Does the trick, I own both of these and its a different sound and they complement each other very well for the bass-y ambient music that I tend to make. I am going to try sending the Hydrasynth into the Minifreak to see what kind of mangling I can do and then multi-sample it onto my Deluge to really start creating unique sounds.
I know this is old but what are the main differences to you between the HS and Mini. Im debating on getting the mini to pair with my hydra but not sure if there is enough differences to justify. Demoed vst but they give you a 20 minute demo if that tells you anything. Thanks
@@joeymc5272 I would say the main difference is the immediacy of the mini, the analogue filters, the sequencer, and the limited nature of the minis feature set pushing creativity. The hydra is a sound designers dream, it can pretty much produce any sound you can imagine, and add complex textures and nuances. However, it takes time to dial it in and you cannot sequence a melody. It’s intuitive and straightforward because the sound chain is literally at your fingertips. The mini, especially with the 2.0 firmware, can also create very complex sounds but you are limited to 2 OSCS and 2 LFOS and the sound chain is far more “baked in”. You can adjust some of the routing via settings but I’ve never touched that option. The matrix does an excellent job at giving you immediate access to sound design and because it’s a “known quantity” and easier to understand, you can achieve certain sounds, especially for those bassy low sounds, easier. The analogue filters add the perfect amount of colour that would take time to “simulate” on the hydra. And finally the sequencer and the ability to create LFO shapes add another layer of control. On paper some of these limitations may appear as a negative but it forces you to be more creative and therefore you can create more unique sounds. I reach for my mini far more often than my hydra because it’s less daunting to start from scratch, especially if I am making a lead or baseline . If it’s a texture or atmosphere or something to set the “vibe” I reach for my hydra. I hope this articulates my personal experience but feel free to ask anymore questions.
@@MatsueMusicperfect explanation and exactly why i am interested in the mini. I love the hydra but somestimes i dont want to sit there with a million options trying to make something and then im back and forth tweaking params and before you know ive spent over an hour trying to make one sound and it may or may not need to be tweaked even more in my mind lol. Mini sounds fun and sometimes i just want quicker easy pickings where i can do some simple modulation and be on my way. Especially having a cool sequencer as well.
@@joeymc5272 100% I would summarize that the mini can inspire an entire song, the hydra will kill initial inspiration but can help add colour and finishings to a song. I am on the verge of selling my hydra, saving and getting a desktop synth. I am privileged enough to own an Osmose and the Egan Matrix is plenty of power for those nights making one sound.
@@MatsueMusic ya i am getting more into keyboard synths from modular but i cant play keyboard worth a shit so getting a big flagship doesn’t make sense to me. I just like to make licks with them. Maybe sell or trade my hydra for a mini if i can. But i will say i think the sound quality on the hydra is a bit better and that is important to me for mixing.
Hey hey! I'm gonna go ahead and give myself credit for this video topic as I'm sure you NEVER would have thought of comparing the two without my comment. Lol. Great breakdown and my advice is start with the first one you found then get both eventually!
Great video! I have the Hydrasynth Explorer and love it!
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I'm looking for a polyphonic synthetizer and this video helped me a lot to lean towards a decision. Definitely the HS is the one that tick most of my boxes, except for the lack of sequencer, but since I already have a Deluge I can use that for sequencing.
Great video. I got the Explorer because it was available when I needed a poly and they had a great Black Friday sale ;-) With three oscillators, five LFOs, five envelopes, delay, reverb and FX it's got more sound design potential than I'm ever going to use. My next patch is going to be trying to emulate the sound of the Arp Solina (recently cloned by B).
LFO Steps are there as well. I am not sure I understand the fascination with on-board sequencers. I imagine anyone doing any serious production has something to sequence, whether a controller or groovebox.
I'm actually looking to get one of these for the same combo. Just got my MK2 the other day. Feels like a reeeaaaally flexible and immediate portable setup.
I had both of these...kept the Minifreak- especially now with the wavetables. I adored some Hydra sounds- I did lots of tweaking, too- but came to realize I loved the reverb- mostly plate- tacked on at the end. So I sold it- but it is a very digital, metallicy monster; if only it had an analog filter like the Mini. I don't miss it- the Mini may not bowl one over with that many epic presets- but just dig in a bit. Like nothing else, really.
Subscribed. Really good review on both, leaning more towards the MF because of the DAW mirroring. You have a good voice and review style so will enjoy watching your other reviews. >_>
Thanks for the great comparison! I use the OG hydrasynth but fell in love with the minifreak VST, and now I have a minifreak arriving sometime next month (backordered). Best believe I will be layering multiple instances of the VST on top of the hardware haha
@woef well.... I had it on order, but the back order was really long at the time, and I ended up canceling it. I actually sold off most of my gear and synths over the last few months and moved to SOMA's instrument lineup as I wanted a unified design philosophy, and SOMA has a particular sound that is perfect for what I like to make. My hydrasynth is in the corner under a dust cover with very little to zero use. I personally think that a mini freak would be an excellent replacement for the hydrasynth for my setup, as it is far more immediate for getting sound than the Hydrasynth is. It largely depends on what your personal interest is for your art form. We all make different styles, and everyone's needs are different.
@@AbyssalReverberations oh thats sick, soma looks super experimental for sure, i do love that. as for the hydra vs minifreak, i know what i want i was just curious how your opinion on them was after a year. so ill be on my way to pick up the hydra from you see you in 15 minutes! actually i just checked your channel and see you have a lot of videos up! theres a lot of interesting stuff woah. amazing gear you have/had thanks for documenting it
@woef haha I wish I ended up with the minifreak just so I could give you a proper opinion! I'm glad you at least found some interesting stuff on my channel. My interest is sound design (actually have some of my work on an upcoming instrument that launches next year) and production rather than music. I gravitate towards the experimental side of gear, and I primarily work with body patching stuff these days. It definitely took a couple of years before I figured out what I actually enjoyed when working with instruments, and finally found a home with SOMA. If you dig sound design, the hydrasynth is a mile wide and a mile deep, whereas the mini freak will be limited in scope, but it is easier to find sweet spots with it.
Ironically I totally agree Arturia CS is excellent! Don’t know about anyone else, I don’t know how ASM is, I’ve never needed it. I love these small synths, and I thought the Deepmind 12 is awesome but these small ones are great as well. Sure beats lugging my 100 lb w case Kronos around!
What I've learned: Don't make a decision based on features. Most of the features will not even be touched by the vast majority of users. Instead focus on: usability, interface, firmware updates, design, etc. Aspects outside of the spec sheets. My entry into the synth world has been the Microfreak. Ever since, I've stuck with Arturia. I like their brand. I like their website, their software tools, their update policy, their social media content. I like the design and usability of their products. Of course that's personal preference, but that's exactly what should be the driving force behind your decision.
I'd add to that by saying: consider what you'll be using it for. Studio, live or both? Are you into sound design or more composition? Do you just want something fun to play with and explore?
Pardon me but "I like their brand. I like their website, their software tools, their update policy, their social media content." is very strange to me, you aren't buying and can't buy, much less control or expect any of those things at all. It's akin to saying you're buying a car because their HQ building looks nice and their president has good taste in clothing... Features and sound are exactly what one should be deciding based on, in other words what you are actually buying. You're not buying the brand or the update policy, much less their social media content. I make my decisions purely based on what is actually being sold to me, which does make me like Arturia because their products sound good to me and have the features I want. They also look cool to me, which is a factor since I look at the thing more than I hear it. But it doesn't mean I stick to them as a brand even a tiny bit, since I'm not buying shares in the company. If the same features and sound were offered in something made by mcdonalds, or IBM or whatever other brand, I'd be just as likely or more likely to buy the IBM version for instance.
The wavetable on the Microfreak was not there at launch but appeared in a later firmware update. Im optimistic that the Minifreak will get some firmware updates at some point so maybe more oscillator types will get added...
@@MatsueMusic if you go to gearspace forums, there's a link there in the minifreak thread on post #304. On youtube its watch?v=Y0VbW8gUOSM I don't have a timestamp.
Well worth experiencing these synths. Ive got a hydrasynth keyboard. Ive read lots of clmments detracting from this synth ..youll be pleased to know its absolute nonesence ...youll love it ...would like to try out the arturia
Just a small correction to add in terms of differences in the Hydrasynth series. The Hydrasynth deluxe is a bitimbral keyboard capable of doing keyboard splits using two engines whereas the Hydrasynth 49 key and Hydrasynth Explorer are monotimbral instruments (using one engine) other than that they are all using the same engine.
They're both well-designed, original synths. I own a lot of Arturia gear already so the Explorer seems like a breath of fresh air. But the Minifreak has a lot of character for the price. We're living in a golden age of affordable synthesizers, and Arturia has been leading the charge for a decade now.
At $100 off this month I could see that swinging some to hydrasynth though both are great at this price IMHO. I believe we will see a full size bi-timbral freak (basically 2 minifreak engines) before the end of 2024. Hopefully with the same keybed as mk2 quantum, dedicated stereo outs per layer, sustain & expression pedal inputs, and priced between (or below?!?) the two full size hydrasynths.
Good video 👍. Say I didn't already have a MicroFreak and I couldn't have both, I'd likely get the Hydrasynth but it's a close-run choice. Both are probably the best choice for a first hardware synth that won't break the bank and you won't grow out of.
thanks for the comparison! Doubling as a plugin controller for MiniFreak V is a huge selling point for me. I'm on a big orange kick now, these would both look great with Bitwig and my orange-displayed OG Push >_>
Do you feel the Push compliments Bitwig well? I'm aware there are certain third party apps/scripts/whatever you'd call it that make Push play along with Bitwig. Would you mind giving me a quick description of how you use the two together? I've been super curious about Bitwig for obvious reasons (modulators built right in to an expandable panel on native devices is pretty much all I've wanted in Live since I saw it on Bitwig) but I'm really reluctant to give up any aspect of the Push's drum recording and sequencing workflow.
@@bobyatron7525 it involves using the Driven By Moss extension, he turns it into a full-fledged Bitwig controller (including the Push 3 now) with tight integration. He has a bunch of videos showing how it's used.
Really really Great Video! Thanks for the comparison :) still cant decide though :D their pros and cons cancel each other out, i just cant say which one id choose
I have the desktop version of the Hydra and you can process audio via the cv modulation inputs. You set the ring modulator input to mod 1 or 2 in. You don't have to have ring modulation on but you can use it as an input source. Is it not the same for the other versions?
HydraSynth does not have a dedicated audio input but... you can compensate this apparent lack using a 'mod in' CV input and sending it into the RingMod via the ModMatrix. If you don't apply any modulation to it, you can send external audio into the HydraSynth's mixer... :)
Quite surprised to find myself preferring the filter of the hydrasynth, even without the drive. Was not expecting that at all, and now I'm on the fence about the minifreak 😆
For a similar price I think a modwave is a really good option. Digital synth with basic waves, wavetables and samples. Bit complex maybe but lots of hands-on. Amazing for sound design.
@@teftymusictech the Modwave, Wavestate, OpSix aren’t very RUclipsy, absolutely. I think it’s the form factor - they don’t have that cool/cute factor that grabs your eyes the same way minifreak/HS explorer have
Very helpful video and I've watched a lot of them on these two synthesizers. As a MicroFreak owner, it's clear to me there is a lot of crossover between the Freaks. The polyphony, extra oscillator, extra LFO and effects obviously set it apart from it's smaller predecessor but is that enough to justify having another synth with the same filter and generally the same oscillator types? Probably not, especially since I could use the MicroFreak to control MiniFreak V and still get a good taste of the MiniFreak experience. The Hydra has a lot more depth and while I love the immediacy of finding good sounds from the freaks, you would have a harder time trying to recreate specific sounds that the Hydra can excel at. So much potential between the wavescanning oscillators, mutators and effects not to mention all the modulators and PolyAT.
Minifreak doesn't have a "drive" knob... But it has a cycling envelope and some additional filters for second oscillator. They can process the sound to very sharp thing.
Easy presentation makes it easy to follow for a novice. I've been thinking about getting a compliment for my Moog Mother 32 and the Hydra Synth might be a good fit because their differences could expand the possibilities.
They both sound great. I think the ASM virtual analogue oscillators sound fatter. I prefer the work flow of the Arturia. I wish it had the CV. It's also a shame the chords don't output midi data
Great video. Actually I pullet the trigger on Explorer before watching this, but both are great and sound marvelous (played with both in store). However, I didn’t realize that Mini Freak doesn’t have drive on filter. What a waste. Analog filter without drive?
Would like to see also these two comparisons: - Hydrasynth Explorer vs Korg Minilogue XD - Hydrasynth Explorer vs Uno Synth Pro (keybord version). I think all are in a simillar price range.
With the minifreak, are you able to create sounds in the software and save them to your hardware unit to use on the road? Also, if I'm working in my daw, can I have multiple sounds playing via midi (multi-timbral)? Lastly, how many presets can it hold internally?
The Hydrasynth build quality and keybed is much better, and it runs on batteries and has nice CV/Gate output with advanced modulation; a good combination to bring with a small modular. One pro of the MiniFreak is that Arturia have been excellent in building out the firmware of the Freaks. A personal favorite is the Noise Engineering models. Likely they keep doing that. Whereas ASM have only added modest incremental improvements. I hope we see something new, and equally exciting from ASM soon. Hopefully, the tackle sampling+granular next in a way that can take on the Tasty Chips Mega-GR, and Waldorf Iridium on price and performance. ASM could improve some of their reverb algorithms too, the synth engine deserves it. Arturia's effects are a bit better.
Being that the Hydrasynth has had updates, I'm a little surprised considering the time it's been out and that all their products have the same engine, that they haven't added some wavetables. Not that I've exhausted the current options, but as it's the foundation of the sound, it seems like a obvious way to really expand it's potential.
@@lesterfalcon1350 Agreed, and what they could add, especially to the Deluxe is a Wave morphing + cloud option, like in the Synthesis Technology Cloud Terrarium e352 module. Because clouds of morphing wavetables sound stunning. And a 5 to 6 voice polyphonic aftertouch keyboard package with effects would be amazing. The four voice Synthesis Technology module is huge and costs almost as much as a Hydrasynth Keyboard, just for the module only; which almost fills a 3u rack on it's own.
@@compucorder64 I think whatever they add, should apply across all engines. But as they had got the delux model, it would have been nice to see that come with extra waves, and some more mutants as part of the release. Hopefully they have something around the corner. So many firmware based music devices now keep adding to the foundation, and they certainty done this too. Maybe they are prioritizing after other user feedback. I'm pleased to see the bit reducer.
ASM hydrasynth for sound design, mini freak for instant useable performance. If you don’t like performance factory patches on minifreak (although they are great) then asm. But having played asm it’s great sounding and playing. Both it is then.😂
6:27 There is the analog filter vs digital filter. If only the Hydra had analog... but still, these are two very amazing machines. I'm still on the fence between these two or continuing to save for something even better. Since the analog filter is basically being nerfed (unable to be driven), I am leaning heavily toward the Hydrasynth. I only have basic knowledge of sound creation using a synth and I thing something like one of these will really help me to understand sound design at a deeper level.
Love your video, very good information. Yust want to decide what i good for me as my 1st synth and narrowed it down just to those two and Minilog XD. ... still not sure. Good arguments for each of them with a slight preference to the Hydra.
@@erickb4046 Hydrasynth, flexibility, patchmatrix, aftertouch, easy access to a lot of parameters, you can go from classic subtractive to total crazy ... If you want to sequence, it feels a little complicated in editing, but it works and has a lot of room to play with.
6:50 This is the point where Hydrasynth lost it for me. Wow, the amount of aliasing (or whatever type of ugly artifact it is) I can feel it in my teeth. Hydra lost the battle earlier than I expected ;) But let's see rest of the video.
Thank you. I thought I was the only one that noticed by reading the rest of the comments. The Minifreak may be lacking some in features, but I'm suspecting that it may have better sound quality. There is something to be said about analog.
I hate synths. As a matter of fact I'm sick of all the insane and silly control systems and design of the hardware that needs a study guide. This video cemented that.
Fortunately there is a whole world of music to explore other than synths. Enjoy a grand piano or hell, banging away at a triangle. Find what floats YOUR boat. For me, and others here, synths are cool. Thru the power of permutations and combinations, you can easily get to a sound that is unique and never been made or heard before.
Hello Tefty. You earned my sub from this amazing video., I dont expect an answer but I will still try - im a beginner at all this. I really want to make some atmospheric music for some of my videos and are looking at midi synths. I have my eyes on the MiniFreak, but do you think there are something better for me out there in same price range, would you pick hydrasynth over the MiniFreak in this context ? Because in a beginner does not mean I need it to be simple as I will learn on my way, but it kinda means i want alot of options and maybe more intuitivt
Totally agree. Best daw-workflow. Simply hop between multiple instances of the minifreak, connect to hardware and tweak along. Press play and hear all minifreak tracks without having to bounce to audio first.
The reason I chose the HS is the midi mapping I can easily use with vsts and other hardware synths like the pro vs mini which already has envelope adsr mapped
Great video, thanks. I got an Explorer before watching this video, and it was an impulse because I didn’t use any synthesiser in my life (I’m a noob). So, after watching this video, I’m ever more happy with my choice. My only concern is that you can’t save user patch without using the PC software.
@@FluxFreemanYou can save patches but there’s no free slots, user slots : you have to override an existing one. Therefore, you use the PC software to manage your banks and keep/restore the original presets
Yeah, not too many other synths with poly aftertouch, especially in this price range and it's quite nice to have I guess... but also seems a bit overrated to me. Maybe I simply haven't heard any great examples yet but from what I've seen so far, it didn't make a great impression on me that global aftertouch didn't give me. Just my two cents...
@@LousyFaceliftone thing that got me after messing around with it was just how simple it is to create the sounds. The panel layout is enough to explore without needing to menu dive.
I just purchased my first synth and its the minifreak and my next synth is the hydra synth and my final purchase will be the polybrute. I have always been a vst guy and wanted to try my hands on some hardware. 😊
I bought the original Hydrasynth when it first came out. As cool as the Explorer is, it feels like they had to remove so many control options from the front panel, that it really gimps your creativity. For the price, it's a fantastic machine. I'm just spoiled, I guess.
While Hydrasynth might not have a VST controller yet, there is third party software for it that might be worth looking into. Hydramorph is an mac/windows app that exposes every single parameter and lets you automatically morph a custom selection of parameters at once (up to over 100) .. (kind of like a set of custom LFOs that slowly target everything at once for random patch generation) ... I imagine it'd be excellent for samplers, to cut and chop the bits of magic emerging out of the cacophony of ever-changing sound.
Yeah the asm sequencer... Slightly faster than tweeking the knobs; Once you set the amount of steps you can push the corresponding macro button for the step you want and then press which key you want for that step Not as fast as just punching the sequence in but not as tedious as turning knobs
I have the full size Hydra, selling it. Was considering Hydra small keys but... Keeping the minifreak. Selling one of my micro freaks and keeping one microfreak as a portable usb battery powered option. Main reasons being personal preference for the basic sound (I can run anything through neve, API, Sebatron preamps to fatten/warm/distort) and ease of use.
Fantastic presentation, I'm sold on the Mini , however, I could have sworn it was less expensive... 😔....that filter , that sequencer....I'm more Ultravox than 90s EDM...
Hydrasynth when it came out was super GAS-worthy indeed. PolyAT keybed, super synth engine, a decent price. Didn't jump tho. Me, I'm nearly always doing stuff in a DAW. So the MiniFreak VST really does give it the edge... Full contextual control of your hardware synth, you can 'natively' set up the synth engine, create patches, and have a full contextual patch browser in your computer (one of the criticisms of the Minifreak) - very cool. But by the same token, it totally blunts it! Why bother shelling a wedge of cash for the Minifreak hardware, when I can pick up the VST for far less, and get damn close to the sound, with all the programmability and automation features you expect from a plugin? With the Hydrasynth, having a PolyAT keybed for the synth engine, a PolyAT midi controller that I can plug into my computer to control stuff like Arturia's own Pigments, has always greatly interested me. But - I see you pressing quite hard on the keybed to engage the full range of aftertouch per key there - it puts me off. I'm very much a light-touch player - all my velocity curves are set to 'hard' on my midi controllers. Something like the Osmose, or indeed Arturia's new Polybrute 12 keybed, resonates way more with the way I expect to engage with my instrument. I'm primarily a bass player, and it kills me to see someone playing the bass where the strings visibly vibrate! You're obviously hitting the notes way too hard! Play soft, so you have real control of dynamics. Push your amp into overdrive by plucking the strings harder... I'm interested in the experience of using a Hydrasynth Explorer v. a Hydrasynth, in terms of sound design/deep patch editing. Do the additional knobs make things a lot easier to pull off sound design, and control of the expansive synth engine underneath? Menu diving on hardware units - man, I'm over it. So maybe like you say, the Minilogue XD is something I should look at. Or save for a bit longer, sell more bits, and get a Take 5. Goddamnit! This was all very engaging! You have a good way about you. Good channel! Subbed... 👍
For me - the Arturia Polybrute 12 keybed, on a 'Keystep Mega Pro'. I'd pay 600+ bucks for that! Arturia don't need to bother with the synth engine hardware - I'll look after that part (software/hardware, midi/cv). Just give me that amazing Polybrute 12 keybed, on the super-flexible Keystep Pro, and I'm right there!! Name your price lads...
19:05 Not entirely true. When you are in step LFO mode, you can press on a macro button and a key on the keyboard to select that value. From middle C you can go 1 octave up or down. I agree, it's not as hands-on as on the MiniFreak, but still very doable. And now with the new firmware 2.0 I believe you can even advance step-by-step automatically, as on the MiniFreak. (But not at home atm, so I can't check for sure.)
Thanks for pointing that out! I was actually looking for the shortcut and couldn't find it on my Deluxe. And yeah, 2.0 has been awesome! Going to do a patch video on it soon.
Very helpful, thanks! Besides being more.of a virtual.analog synth, do you think the Modal Cobalt 8 compares to the minifreak concerning ease of performance and sound design?
Thanks! Yes, I'd say Cobalt is very friendly for programming/performance. Definitely more inline with the MiniFreak since it's OSC are more like programs/algorithms. Also the 8 slots of modulation always kills me when making patches on the Cobalt, but you get used to it. I personally think the Cobalt AND the Argon sound fantastic 👍
Thank you so much for this great video. As a retired elementary school teacher I have to say you are a GREAT teacher. Your presentation is clear, concise and gets to the points to be made, and this makes your presentation a joy to watch and listen to. I learned a lot from this and it is greatly appreciated. Best wishes. Liked and Subscribed.
It is vital to point out that the HS is a "wave morphing synth", not just wavetable. You can create a table by morphing between any selected waveforms. This is what made the VST Serum special when it came out and to not highlight this misses a main point of the HS design.
Can you import your own waves?
The wave morphing definitly makes it stand out
it is 'vital' lulllllllll
I loved them both, and was blessed with being able to buy both. So I linked both of them up with a MIDI cord and had the best synth experiences I have ever had. I think the Hydrasynth can get a wider palette of sounds, but then it is also easier to get lost in random exploration.
I have the mini version of that setup! A Microfreak and the desktop Hydrasynth. Even that is magical, especially with the Microfreak's unique keys. It's fantastic to hear it scales up nicely.
I didn't write clearly... I actually have the small versions of both too. Link them both up to one controller, and rule the SONIC WORLD!
You are a good teacher...I understand at least a bit more than being totally glazed eyes when I listen to others explain synth stuff
They are very close. It's almost impossible to choose between them. This is probably why I have both :-D
If you didn't have room/funds for both, you could get the Hydrasynth and add the MiniFreak VST for not much more - and kinda have "both" on the cheap.
Both club 🙌🤣🙌
@NoiseTheorem do you find you use one for a type of sound and the other for another type of sound? Which do you find more user friendly?
None club :c
Me too
I had both but ultimately returned my Hydrasynth Explorer. It was a tough decision but at the end of the day the Minifreak is far, far easier to program and did not stifle my creativity in the process. The Hydrasynth is excellent though and can create some amazing patches. I'd say if you are about deep sound design and don't mind a slower workflow the Hydrasynth is a good bet but if you are like me and value speed at the expense of sheer depth and features then the Minifreak is better. Both sound wonderful, imo.
Great insight!
It's so weird - I have a ton of synths, but apart from my more "traditional synths" (Model D, WASP Deluxe, System 1, Mother 32, etc.), I find my Hydrasynth Explorer the easiest to program by far (more complex synths include Summit, Microfreak, Virus TI2, etc.). I think a lot of it depends on how your brain works, and they Hydrasynth just makes total sense to me, and the section buttons just help guide my workflow. Everybody's different, hence why there are so many great synths on the market with totally different workflows!
@@swid_swid_swid Hey whatever works for your brain is best! I would tend to agree that on a lot of levels it is an easy synth to program considering it's depth and complexity. What it came down to for me is that I like working within harder limitations so the Minifreak gelled better with it's more simplistic architecture. Ultimately there is no perfect synth or tool though... just better ones for certain tasks and purposes. We can all pray we don't spend too much money finding out which one those are for ourselves though (as I have...)
@@swid_swid_swidi fully agree with this!
I‘d say maybe with the HS you need to know what you want and what you’re doing, while on the MF you can more play around and have happy accidents
You did help me decide. Thank you very much for this in depth review. Im a freak
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This was a fantastic comparison! I have a Hydra (first iteration). I'm in love with the Minifreak, but dont have it yet, so this was the perfect video. (Arturia is killing it on interface and marketing.) Thanks!
Been putting money to the side for my first synth and I’ve been going back and forth between these two. This was the perfect video for me man I appreciate this!!!
I have both and more . Honestly for your first Synth I highly recommend the Korg Minilogue Xd with keys . It’s way better for a stater Synth because everything is hands on for the most part. It will be easier to learn sound design. I think the Hydra synth is the best ever for sound design but even for me with decades of experience had to read the manual to learn it . One you learn it it’s simple but it does have a learning curve .
Great video but it’s like comparing apples to oranges. Hydra is not made to just sound analog it for sound design. The Hydra has wave scan , 2 mutants and feedback on all 8 Oscillators .No other synths have that . That’s why the Hydra wins .
@@JustinThomasProducer thanks for the suggestion!!
Great comparison! I've owned my Hydrasynth Keyboard for 2 1/2 years and I love it. Hydrasynth Desktop is really really good it has Audio in, pads are poly touch as well. Hydrasynth has a great signal route right there in front of you, that's really important if you want to change something in the signal chain right away.
Agreed! I got the Deluxe recently and have been loving the 16 voices and bigger layout of the panel.
Actually I returned Desktop after trying Explorer in store. Lol. Both are great but I missed the keys to much. I loved how polyAT is realized, even in such small keys. Also, didn’t find smaller screens and less knobs limiting - it even allowed mi to focus more on couple parameters at hand. I had also feeling (but I haven’t done side by side comparison) that Explorer sounded a bit better - but that could be because of polyAT playing such a big role in most of factory presets.
You CAN overdrive the MiniFreak. Just plug one of your outs back to the audio in, in the settings push up the preset volume up to a comfortable +db and tadaaa.
The Hydrasynth can process external audio through the Mod In input, using the ring modulator. Select the Mod In as the ring modulator source, turn up its level, but set the modulation depth to zero.
Excellent tip ..thank-you
Definitely go for the Minifreak if an onboard sequencer is a must have, but the Hydrasynth can be very rhythmic as well - the arpeggiator is great, envelopes can loop, and LFOs can be stepped, all in sync with the BPM. The Macros are very powerful and provide infinite playability, and the mod matrix is deep - but it has perhaps the best hardware UI of any synth currently on the market, and is very easy to navigate and learn. The Hydrasynth is more infinite, the Mini is a little more trippy with less effort, both sound fantastic. The poly aftertouch on the Hydrasynth is incredibly expressive, it's a feature that can't be oversold.
The workflow on the Hydrasynth is different from most other synths but it has more envelopes and LFOs. I do however prefer the mod matrix workflow on the Minifreak. (I own both the Minifreak and the Hydrasynth Desktop so I think they both have pros and cons).
Great summary!
The MiniFreak can receive polyAT!
7:44 You can "drive the filter" on the minifreak via Macro's. Set one of the Macros to modulate a Drive/Distortion Filter amount and the filter cut off. You can even get fancy and modulate a bit of OSC 2 if you have it set to one of the Noise Engineering waves. Does the trick, I own both of these and its a different sound and they complement each other very well for the bass-y ambient music that I tend to make.
I am going to try sending the Hydrasynth into the Minifreak to see what kind of mangling I can do and then multi-sample it onto my Deluge to really start creating unique sounds.
I know this is old but what are the main differences to you between the HS and Mini. Im debating on getting the mini to pair with my hydra but not sure if there is enough differences to justify. Demoed vst but they give you a 20 minute demo if that tells you anything. Thanks
@@joeymc5272 I would say the main difference is the immediacy of the mini, the analogue filters, the sequencer, and the limited nature of the minis feature set pushing creativity.
The hydra is a sound designers dream, it can pretty much produce any sound you can imagine, and add complex textures and nuances. However, it takes time to dial it in and you cannot sequence a melody. It’s intuitive and straightforward because the sound chain is literally at your fingertips.
The mini, especially with the 2.0 firmware, can also create very complex sounds but you are limited to 2 OSCS and 2 LFOS and the sound chain is far more “baked in”. You can adjust some of the routing via settings but I’ve never touched that option. The matrix does an excellent job at giving you immediate access to sound design and because it’s a “known quantity” and easier to understand, you can achieve certain sounds, especially for those bassy low sounds, easier. The analogue filters add the perfect amount of colour that would take time to “simulate” on the hydra. And finally the sequencer and the ability to create LFO shapes add another layer of control. On paper some of these limitations may appear as a negative but it forces you to be more creative and therefore you can create more unique sounds.
I reach for my mini far more often than my hydra because it’s less daunting to start from scratch, especially if I am making a lead or baseline . If it’s a texture or atmosphere or something to set the “vibe” I reach for my hydra.
I hope this articulates my personal experience but feel free to ask anymore questions.
@@MatsueMusicperfect explanation and exactly why i am interested in the mini. I love the hydra but somestimes i dont want to sit there with a million options trying to make something and then im back and forth tweaking params and before you know ive spent over an hour trying to make one sound and it may or may not need to be tweaked even more in my mind lol.
Mini sounds fun and sometimes i just want quicker easy pickings where i can do some simple modulation and be on my way. Especially having a cool sequencer as well.
@@joeymc5272 100% I would summarize that the mini can inspire an entire song, the hydra will kill initial inspiration but can help add colour and finishings to a song.
I am on the verge of selling my hydra, saving and getting a desktop synth.
I am privileged enough to own an Osmose and the Egan Matrix is plenty of power for those nights making one sound.
@@MatsueMusic ya i am getting more into keyboard synths from modular but i cant play keyboard worth a shit so getting a big flagship doesn’t make sense to me. I just like to make licks with them. Maybe sell or trade my hydra for a mini if i can. But i will say i think the sound quality on the hydra is a bit better and that is important to me for mixing.
Hey hey! I'm gonna go ahead and give myself credit for this video topic as I'm sure you NEVER would have thought of comparing the two without my comment. Lol. Great breakdown and my advice is start with the first one you found then get both eventually!
🤣 Love it! Thanks for the support 🙏
Great video! I have the Hydrasynth Explorer and love it!
I'm looking for a polyphonic synthetizer and this video helped me a lot to lean towards a decision. Definitely the HS is the one that tick most of my boxes, except for the lack of sequencer, but since I already have a Deluge I can use that for sequencing.
If you havent chose yet i had a deluge and went HS. My opinion definitely go that route. I would recommend keys version.
Excellent video! Great advice
Great video.
I got the Explorer because it was available when I needed a poly and they had a great Black Friday sale ;-)
With three oscillators, five LFOs, five envelopes, delay, reverb and FX it's got more sound design potential than I'm ever going to use. My next patch is going to be trying to emulate the sound of the Arp Solina (recently cloned by B).
Love that idea. Keep me posted on your results if you remember 👍
Strong comparison review, fantastic sound design. Thank you.
I love my Hydrasynth Explorer. I use it with the SP404 MK2 so I’m not worried about the lack of a sequencer.
LFO Steps are there as well. I am not sure I understand the fascination with on-board sequencers. I imagine anyone doing any serious production has something to sequence, whether a controller or groovebox.
Hydra plus SP404 would be a fun combo
@@teftymusictech and throw in the MicroCosm too. 😆
*writing down video idea* 🤣
I'm actually looking to get one of these for the same combo. Just got my MK2 the other day. Feels like a reeeaaaally flexible and immediate portable setup.
I had both of these...kept the Minifreak- especially now with the wavetables. I adored some Hydra sounds- I did lots of tweaking, too- but came to realize I loved the reverb- mostly plate- tacked on at the end. So I sold it- but it is a very digital, metallicy monster; if only it had an analog filter like the Mini. I don't miss it- the Mini may not bowl one over with that many epic presets- but just dig in a bit. Like nothing else, really.
Hydrasynth has a ton of preset space and recently that got doubled. Wild.
I don’t know about ASM but it’s worth mentioning that Arturias customer service is fantastic
True
Very true.
Subscribed. Really good review on both, leaning more towards the MF because of the DAW mirroring. You have a good voice and review style so will enjoy watching your other reviews. >_>
Thanks for the great comparison!
I use the OG hydrasynth but fell in love with the minifreak VST, and now I have a minifreak arriving sometime next month (backordered).
Best believe I will be layering multiple instances of the VST on top of the hardware haha
hey, what did you end up doing? how do they compare to you personally
@woef well.... I had it on order, but the back order was really long at the time, and I ended up canceling it.
I actually sold off most of my gear and synths over the last few months and moved to SOMA's instrument lineup as I wanted a unified design philosophy, and SOMA has a particular sound that is perfect for what I like to make.
My hydrasynth is in the corner under a dust cover with very little to zero use. I personally think that a mini freak would be an excellent replacement for the hydrasynth for my setup, as it is far more immediate for getting sound than the Hydrasynth is.
It largely depends on what your personal interest is for your art form. We all make different styles, and everyone's needs are different.
@@AbyssalReverberations oh thats sick, soma looks super experimental for sure, i do love that. as for the hydra vs minifreak, i know what i want i was just curious how your opinion on them was after a year. so ill be on my way to pick up the hydra from you see you in 15 minutes!
actually i just checked your channel and see you have a lot of videos up! theres a lot of interesting stuff woah. amazing gear you have/had thanks for documenting it
@woef haha I wish I ended up with the minifreak just so I could give you a proper opinion!
I'm glad you at least found some interesting stuff on my channel. My interest is sound design (actually have some of my work on an upcoming instrument that launches next year) and production rather than music.
I gravitate towards the experimental side of gear, and I primarily work with body patching stuff these days. It definitely took a couple of years before I figured out what I actually enjoyed when working with instruments, and finally found a home with SOMA.
If you dig sound design, the hydrasynth is a mile wide and a mile deep, whereas the mini freak will be limited in scope, but it is easier to find sweet spots with it.
Ironically I totally agree Arturia CS is excellent! Don’t know about anyone else, I don’t know how ASM is, I’ve never needed it. I love these small synths, and I thought the Deepmind 12 is awesome but these small ones are great as well. Sure beats lugging my 100 lb w case Kronos around!
What I've learned: Don't make a decision based on features. Most of the features will not even be touched by the vast majority of users.
Instead focus on: usability, interface, firmware updates, design, etc. Aspects outside of the spec sheets.
My entry into the synth world has been the Microfreak. Ever since, I've stuck with Arturia.
I like their brand. I like their website, their software tools, their update policy, their social media content. I like the design and usability of their products.
Of course that's personal preference, but that's exactly what should be the driving force behind your decision.
I'd add to that by saying: consider what you'll be using it for. Studio, live or both? Are you into sound design or more composition? Do you just want something fun to play with and explore?
Pardon me but "I like their brand. I like their website, their software tools, their update policy, their social media content." is very strange to me, you aren't buying and can't buy, much less control or expect any of those things at all. It's akin to saying you're buying a car because their HQ building looks nice and their president has good taste in clothing...
Features and sound are exactly what one should be deciding based on, in other words what you are actually buying. You're not buying the brand or the update policy, much less their social media content. I make my decisions purely based on what is actually being sold to me, which does make me like Arturia because their products sound good to me and have the features I want. They also look cool to me, which is a factor since I look at the thing more than I hear it. But it doesn't mean I stick to them as a brand even a tiny bit, since I'm not buying shares in the company. If the same features and sound were offered in something made by mcdonalds, or IBM or whatever other brand, I'd be just as likely or more likely to buy the IBM version for instance.
my essential tremors combined with polyphonic after touch would open a new realm of expressive playing...
The wavetable on the Microfreak was not there at launch but appeared in a later firmware update. Im optimistic that the Minifreak will get some firmware updates at some point so maybe more oscillator types will get added...
the minifreak project manager mentioned they were working on it on a french language interview .
@@randommcranderson5155 Avez-vous l’url?
Great news! I didn't know about the French interview. Very exciting!
@@MatsueMusic if you go to gearspace forums, there's a link there in the minifreak thread on post #304. On youtube its watch?v=Y0VbW8gUOSM I don't have a timestamp.
@@randommcranderson5155 Thank you, much love.
I love my MiniFreak!!
Both. The answer is always get both.
this is the vid ive been waiting for
thank you....if i had to choose it would be the hydrasynth.
Well worth experiencing these synths. Ive got a hydrasynth keyboard. Ive read lots of clmments detracting from this synth ..youll be pleased to know its absolute nonesence ...youll love it ...would like to try out the arturia
Anyone that tries to discredit the Hydrasynth is nonsense! It only takes a few minutes of hands on to feel the depth at hand.
Excellent comparison video!!!..Thanks Warlin7
Just a small correction to add in terms of differences in the Hydrasynth series. The Hydrasynth deluxe is a bitimbral keyboard capable of doing keyboard splits using two engines whereas the Hydrasynth 49 key and Hydrasynth Explorer are monotimbral instruments (using one engine) other than that they are all using the same engine.
Excellent video! I’m getting both.
They're both well-designed, original synths. I own a lot of Arturia gear already so the Explorer seems like a breath of fresh air. But the Minifreak has a lot of character for the price. We're living in a golden age of affordable synthesizers, and Arturia has been leading the charge for a decade now.
TLDR: buy the hydrasynth, buy the minifreak plug in and use the Hydra to play that. Best of both worlds.
At $100 off this month I could see that swinging some to hydrasynth though both are great at this price IMHO. I believe we will see a full size bi-timbral freak (basically 2 minifreak engines) before the end of 2024. Hopefully with the same keybed as mk2 quantum, dedicated stereo outs per layer, sustain & expression pedal inputs, and priced between (or below?!?) the two full size hydrasynths.
Great video, always enjoy your videos
Thanks Todd 🙏
Good video 👍. Say I didn't already have a MicroFreak and I couldn't have both, I'd likely get the Hydrasynth but it's a close-run choice. Both are probably the best choice for a first hardware synth that won't break the bank and you won't grow out of.
Thanks Mick!
thanks for the comparison!
Doubling as a plugin controller for MiniFreak V is a huge selling point for me.
I'm on a big orange kick now, these would both look great with Bitwig and my orange-displayed OG Push >_>
Do you feel the Push compliments Bitwig well? I'm aware there are certain third party apps/scripts/whatever you'd call it that make Push play along with Bitwig. Would you mind giving me a quick description of how you use the two together? I've been super curious about Bitwig for obvious reasons (modulators built right in to an expandable panel on native devices is pretty much all I've wanted in Live since I saw it on Bitwig) but I'm really reluctant to give up any aspect of the Push's drum recording and sequencing workflow.
@@bobyatron7525 it involves using the Driven By Moss extension, he turns it into a full-fledged Bitwig controller (including the Push 3 now) with tight integration. He has a bunch of videos showing how it's used.
Really really Great Video! Thanks for the comparison :) still cant decide though :D their pros and cons cancel each other out, i just cant say which one id choose
É fantástico a maneira como explicas as potencialidades dos instrumentos!
I have the desktop version of the Hydra and you can process audio via the cv modulation inputs. You set the ring modulator input to mod 1 or 2 in. You don't have to have ring modulation on but you can use it as an input source. Is it not the same for the other versions?
No CV inputs on the Explorer
Great overview !!
Great video. Thank you.
HydraSynth does not have a dedicated audio input but... you can compensate this apparent lack using a 'mod in' CV input and sending it into the RingMod via the ModMatrix. If you don't apply any modulation to it, you can send external audio into the HydraSynth's mixer... :)
Great Video. I got the Hydra before the freak came out and this video quelled any fomo.
The MiniFreak has a nice analog filter and the Explorer seems more complicated in use. So for me, no hesitation!
Quite surprised to find myself preferring the filter of the hydrasynth, even without the drive.
Was not expecting that at all, and now I'm on the fence about the minifreak 😆
For a similar price I think a modwave is a really good option. Digital synth with basic waves, wavetables and samples. Bit complex maybe but lots of hands-on. Amazing for sound design.
I actually love the Modwave! It doesn't seem to get a lot of love on YT for some reason.
@@teftymusictech the Modwave, Wavestate, OpSix aren’t very RUclipsy, absolutely. I think it’s the form factor - they don’t have that cool/cute factor that grabs your eyes the same way minifreak/HS explorer have
Dude! Modwave 😍😍😍😍😍
Very helpful video and I've watched a lot of them on these two synthesizers. As a MicroFreak owner, it's clear to me there is a lot of crossover between the Freaks. The polyphony, extra oscillator, extra LFO and effects obviously set it apart from it's smaller predecessor but is that enough to justify having another synth with the same filter and generally the same oscillator types? Probably not, especially since I could use the MicroFreak to control MiniFreak V and still get a good taste of the MiniFreak experience.
The Hydra has a lot more depth and while I love the immediacy of finding good sounds from the freaks, you would have a harder time trying to recreate specific sounds that the Hydra can excel at. So much potential between the wavescanning oscillators, mutators and effects not to mention all the modulators and PolyAT.
Great video! 👍🏻
Minifreak doesn't have a "drive" knob... But it has a cycling envelope and some additional filters for second oscillator. They can process the sound to very sharp thing.
Very helpful!
Easy presentation makes it easy to follow for a novice. I've been thinking about getting a compliment for my Moog Mother 32 and the Hydra Synth might be a good fit because their differences could expand the possibilities.
Good luck with the new channel Terry. Would love to see an Analog Four and Analog Rytm walkthrough or jam. Just to show what’s possible with both
great video thanks
They both sound great. I think the ASM virtual analogue oscillators sound fatter. I prefer the work flow of the Arturia. I wish it had the CV. It's also a shame the chords don't output midi data
Great video. Actually I pullet the trigger on Explorer before watching this, but both are great and sound marvelous (played with both in store). However, I didn’t realize that Mini Freak doesn’t have drive on filter. What a waste. Analog filter without drive?
Would like to see also these two comparisons:
- Hydrasynth Explorer vs Korg Minilogue XD
- Hydrasynth Explorer vs Uno Synth Pro (keybord version).
I think all are in a simillar price range.
Noted! Thanks 🙏
I agree on the former, I am between Hydrasynth Explorer, Minilogue XD and MiniFreak and really can't decide.
@@Elyoslayer I had a chance to buy Uno Synth Pro in a good price and it is on the way to me. Probably my next purchase will be Hydrasynth Explorer.
Also thr coming behringer Pro800 deserve some test once available
With the minifreak, are you able to create sounds in the software and save them to your hardware unit to use on the road? Also, if I'm working in my daw, can I have multiple sounds playing via midi (multi-timbral)? Lastly, how many presets can it hold internally?
The Hydrasynth build quality and keybed is much better, and it runs on batteries and has nice CV/Gate output with advanced modulation; a good combination to bring with a small modular. One pro of the MiniFreak is that Arturia have been excellent in building out the firmware of the Freaks. A personal favorite is the Noise Engineering models. Likely they keep doing that. Whereas ASM have only added modest incremental improvements. I hope we see something new, and equally exciting from ASM soon. Hopefully, the tackle sampling+granular next in a way that can take on the Tasty Chips Mega-GR, and Waldorf Iridium on price and performance. ASM could improve some of their reverb algorithms too, the synth engine deserves it. Arturia's effects are a bit better.
Being that the Hydrasynth has had updates, I'm a little surprised considering the time it's been out and that all their products have the same engine, that they haven't added some wavetables. Not that I've exhausted the current options, but as it's the foundation of the sound, it seems like a obvious way to really expand it's potential.
@@lesterfalcon1350 Agreed, and what they could add, especially to the Deluxe is a Wave morphing + cloud option, like in the Synthesis Technology Cloud Terrarium e352 module. Because clouds of morphing wavetables sound stunning. And a 5 to 6 voice polyphonic aftertouch keyboard package with effects would be amazing. The four voice Synthesis Technology module is huge and costs almost as much as a Hydrasynth Keyboard, just for the module only; which almost fills a 3u rack on it's own.
@@compucorder64 I think whatever they add, should apply across all engines. But as they had got the delux model, it would have been nice to see that come with extra waves, and some more mutants as part of the release. Hopefully they have something around the corner. So many firmware based music devices now keep adding to the foundation, and they certainty done this too. Maybe they are prioritizing after other user feedback. I'm pleased to see the bit reducer.
ASM hydrasynth for sound design, mini freak for instant useable performance. If you don’t like performance factory patches on minifreak (although they are great) then asm. But having played asm it’s great sounding and playing. Both it is then.😂
I hope Arturia makes a "freakpig" with full size polyphonic aftertouch keys. Then I could have both hands-on of the Freak and Pigments.😁🎵🎹🎶Play On
🤣 FreakPig would be amazing.
Wouldn't be surprised if they make a MaxiFreak.
Do you think the minifreak will get granular synthesis like the microfreak just received?
Chances are high, but no guarantees until Arturia makes an announcement. The wavetables are for sure coming in an update, but again, no ETA.
6:27 There is the analog filter vs digital filter. If only the Hydra had analog... but still, these are two very amazing machines. I'm still on the fence between these two or continuing to save for something even better. Since the analog filter is basically being nerfed (unable to be driven), I am leaning heavily toward the Hydrasynth. I only have basic knowledge of sound creation using a synth and I thing something like one of these will really help me to understand sound design at a deeper level.
Love your video, very good information. Yust want to decide what i good for me as my 1st synth and narrowed it down just to those two and Minilog XD. ... still not sure. Good arguments for each of them with a slight preference to the Hydra.
for which one have you decided to go for @ThomasVogel? I'm between the same 3 synths as my 1st synth too. Tks
@@erickb4046 Hydrasynth, flexibility, patchmatrix, aftertouch, easy access to a lot of parameters, you can go from classic subtractive to total crazy ... If you want to sequence, it feels a little complicated in editing, but it works and has a lot of room to play with.
Hydra filter sounded more stepped or aliased to me
6:50 This is the point where Hydrasynth lost it for me. Wow, the amount of aliasing (or whatever type of ugly artifact it is) I can feel it in my teeth. Hydra lost the battle earlier than I expected ;) But let's see rest of the video.
Thank you. I thought I was the only one that noticed by reading the rest of the comments. The Minifreak may be lacking some in features, but I'm suspecting that it may have better sound quality. There is something to be said about analog.
Hydrasynth for ever..❤❤❤
I hate synths. As a matter of fact I'm sick of all the insane and silly control systems and design of the hardware that needs a study guide. This video cemented that.
:(
I was about to write a response to this but then I realized that I couldn’t care less about your opinion about synths
Fortunately there is a whole world of music to explore other than synths. Enjoy a grand piano or hell, banging away at a triangle. Find what floats YOUR boat. For me, and others here, synths are cool. Thru the power of permutations and combinations, you can easily get to a sound that is unique and never been made or heard before.
Is there a smooth transition when selection one sound to the next?.....ie..the previous sound still rings on the keys pressed
The answer is and always, both.
Cheers!
Which synth is better? -Yes.
Hello Tefty. You earned my sub from this amazing video.,
I dont expect an answer but I will still try - im a beginner at all this. I really want to make some atmospheric music for some of my videos and are looking at midi synths. I have my eyes on the MiniFreak, but do you think there are something better for me out there in same price range, would you pick hydrasynth over the MiniFreak in this context ? Because in a beginner does not mean I need it to be simple as I will learn on my way, but it kinda means i want alot of options and maybe more intuitivt
VST version added to mini freak is very very very important factor when you record via midi.
Totally agree. Best daw-workflow. Simply hop between multiple instances of the minifreak, connect to hardware and tweak along. Press play and hear all minifreak tracks without having to bounce to audio first.
The reason I chose the HS is the midi mapping I can easily use with vsts and other hardware synths like the pro vs mini which already has envelope adsr mapped
Great video, thanks. I got an Explorer before watching this video, and it was an impulse because I didn’t use any synthesiser in my life (I’m a noob). So, after watching this video, I’m ever more happy with my choice. My only concern is that you can’t save user patch without using the PC software.
Wait you can’t save patches??! Has this been updated?
@@FluxFreemanYou can save patches but there’s no free slots, user slots : you have to override an existing one. Therefore, you use the PC software to manage your banks and keep/restore the original presets
@@davidarderius5316 ok thanks m8. I’m still deciding between the Hydrasynth and Argon8
There are several banks (128 patches each) empty for user patches. You CAN save user patches without a PC, it is very simple and easy.
polyphonic after touch... nuff said. Hydra wins.
That's what sold me on the Explorer over the Minifreak. I still plan on getting a minifreak soon, though.
Yeah, not too many other synths with poly aftertouch, especially in this price range and it's quite nice to have I guess... but also seems a bit overrated to me. Maybe I simply haven't heard any great examples yet but from what I've seen so far, it didn't make a great impression on me that global aftertouch didn't give me. Just my two cents...
@@LousyFaceliftone thing that got me after messing around with it was just how simple it is to create the sounds. The panel layout is enough to explore without needing to menu dive.
The number of synths with poly at proofs that not that many buyers care.
They are both great synths. I think if you added the Novation peak to these 2, everyone would be quite happy with their lot in life!
I just purchased my first synth and its the minifreak and my next synth is the hydra synth and my final purchase will be the polybrute. I have always been a vst guy and wanted to try my hands on some hardware. 😊
I bought the original Hydrasynth when it first came out. As cool as the Explorer is, it feels like they had to remove so many control options from the front panel, that it really gimps your creativity. For the price, it's a fantastic machine. I'm just spoiled, I guess.
While Hydrasynth might not have a VST controller yet, there is third party software for it that might be worth looking into. Hydramorph is an mac/windows app that exposes every single parameter and lets you automatically morph a custom selection of parameters at once (up to over 100) .. (kind of like a set of custom LFOs that slowly target everything at once for random patch generation) ... I imagine it'd be excellent for samplers, to cut and chop the bits of magic emerging out of the cacophony of ever-changing sound.
Great overview. What about build quality, any difference?
Yeah the asm sequencer...
Slightly faster than tweeking the knobs;
Once you set the amount of steps you can push the corresponding macro button for the step you want and then press which key you want for that step
Not as fast as just punching the sequence in but not as tedious as turning knobs
I have the full size Hydra, selling it. Was considering Hydra small keys but...
Keeping the minifreak. Selling one of my micro freaks and keeping one microfreak as a portable usb battery powered option.
Main reasons being personal preference for the basic sound (I can run anything through neve, API, Sebatron preamps to fatten/warm/distort)
and ease of use.
They're both great synth, but nothing and I mean NOTHING sounds as good as my Harley Davidson. That's rock n' roll
Fantastic presentation, I'm sold on the Mini , however, I could have sworn it was less expensive... 😔....that filter , that sequencer....I'm more Ultravox than 90s EDM...
Hydrasynth when it came out was super GAS-worthy indeed. PolyAT keybed, super synth engine, a decent price. Didn't jump tho.
Me, I'm nearly always doing stuff in a DAW. So the MiniFreak VST really does give it the edge... Full contextual control of your hardware synth, you can 'natively' set up the synth engine, create patches, and have a full contextual patch browser in your computer (one of the criticisms of the Minifreak) - very cool.
But by the same token, it totally blunts it! Why bother shelling a wedge of cash for the Minifreak hardware, when I can pick up the VST for far less, and get damn close to the sound, with all the programmability and automation features you expect from a plugin?
With the Hydrasynth, having a PolyAT keybed for the synth engine, a PolyAT midi controller that I can plug into my computer to control stuff like Arturia's own Pigments, has always greatly interested me. But - I see you pressing quite hard on the keybed to engage the full range of aftertouch per key there - it puts me off. I'm very much a light-touch player - all my velocity curves are set to 'hard' on my midi controllers. Something like the Osmose, or indeed Arturia's new Polybrute 12 keybed, resonates way more with the way I expect to engage with my instrument. I'm primarily a bass player, and it kills me to see someone playing the bass where the strings visibly vibrate! You're obviously hitting the notes way too hard! Play soft, so you have real control of dynamics. Push your amp into overdrive by plucking the strings harder...
I'm interested in the experience of using a Hydrasynth Explorer v. a Hydrasynth, in terms of sound design/deep patch editing. Do the additional knobs make things a lot easier to pull off sound design, and control of the expansive synth engine underneath?
Menu diving on hardware units - man, I'm over it. So maybe like you say, the Minilogue XD is something I should look at.
Or save for a bit longer, sell more bits, and get a Take 5. Goddamnit!
This was all very engaging! You have a good way about you. Good channel! Subbed... 👍
For me - the Arturia Polybrute 12 keybed, on a 'Keystep Mega Pro'. I'd pay 600+ bucks for that! Arturia don't need to bother with the synth engine hardware - I'll look after that part (software/hardware, midi/cv). Just give me that amazing Polybrute 12 keybed, on the super-flexible Keystep Pro, and I'm right there!! Name your price lads...
19:05 Not entirely true. When you are in step LFO mode, you can press on a macro button and a key on the keyboard to select that value. From middle C you can go 1 octave up or down. I agree, it's not as hands-on as on the MiniFreak, but still very doable. And now with the new firmware 2.0 I believe you can even advance step-by-step automatically, as on the MiniFreak. (But not at home atm, so I can't check for sure.)
Thanks for pointing that out! I was actually looking for the shortcut and couldn't find it on my Deluxe. And yeah, 2.0 has been awesome! Going to do a patch video on it soon.
Both are the king/ queens of the $600 range
Can the mini freak do ratchet arpeggio like the Hydra?
great video
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Very helpful, thanks! Besides being more.of a virtual.analog synth, do you think the Modal Cobalt 8 compares to the minifreak concerning ease of performance and sound design?
Thanks! Yes, I'd say Cobalt is very friendly for programming/performance. Definitely more inline with the MiniFreak since it's OSC are more like programs/algorithms. Also the 8 slots of modulation always kills me when making patches on the Cobalt, but you get used to it.
I personally think the Cobalt AND the Argon sound fantastic 👍
@@teftymusictech great, thank you!
Can you please do this for the Minifreak vs the Modal Cobalt 5S? seems like a good comparison
I chose Explorer because its Bad Gear treatment was sexier.