I remember commenting on this when I was young stating that it was very very hard on a engine to be cold starting a revving the way you did. now I am a diagnostic mechanic for Cummins and I still stand by that comment. think about that lol
I was under the impression, via owners manual, that Cummins recommendation turning on the exhaust brake to help the engine warm up quicker. Is that correct?
the engine has many miles on it, and that's why it smokes alot when it's cold, because the piston rings are worn out, so the pistons themselves have to warm up and expand a bit, and when the engine is warm, the smoking wil be over. The engine could run for many more miles like that, but i'm sure that alot of horse power died during the years, so in a way this engine is on it's last legs, because it wil use more oil and it wil give less bang for a buck, so economical it needs to be redone.
3DPeter the real reason is that the fact that he uses ether in a diesel i feel like no one knows how bad that is, cylinders have cross hatches in them to help build compression, multiple uses of ether will make the cylinders smooth as a babys ass, iv seen it done first hand and this is exactly what looks like what is happening the motor has very little compression
watched your video years ago and I say who gives a shit about how you cold start it it's yours to start how ever the fuck you want.Love the vid and the truck.Thanks
I guess every Kid thinks their a diesel mechanic now lol. That old heffa just didn't wanna wake up. 1954 peterbilt 1000hp cummins twin turbo through a 6x4 spicer transmission to rear end gears of 2:70 is a dream truck for me.
Love the comments about destroying the batteries, this has no effect on the batteries as he didn't kill them or allow them to freeze. The batteries were still spinning the engine with lots of energy so it will not hurt the batteries. The starter on the other hand is not enjoying life in this machine. Heaving use and no cool down time is a sure fire way to shorten to kill a good starter. Also that first truck should be looked at for low compression, it should not take that much spinning to build up enough heat to burn diesel if it is healthy. I bet multiple starts like this have the compression down with a huge amount of blow by now. Also explains why it won't idle after you start it.
I'm willing to bet the compression is down because it makes crazy boost. Just judging by the rest of the mods and the obnoxious cam, the truck probably has a huge turbo that spools plenty of air to make up for the low compression at idle. Not likely to be a practical everyday working rig.
Just blows me away how people just love doing cold starts on big truck, the colder the better.... ISNT ANY THING WORSE on a big motor...A trucker who cares about his trucks plugs them in!!!
I forsee this truck having scarred cylinders, damaged piston skirts, hammered crank and rod bearings badly leaking injectors, a severe ether addiction... and a new starter. After that guy started it 3 times cold. Based on when this video was made I'm betting the truck no longer runs.
that's what I was thinking. peterbilt sounds like crap. I bet he cowboys the shit out of that truck. my guess is the boss made him go start the trucks. no proper truck owner would ever Rev a frozen engine. hell I don't even Rev my engine in the summer months
True, some of the older diesels were a pain to get started when below 20 deg, some older than 1970 were tough to start even at 40 deg. Newer ones start well unaided to about 0 deg. Always avoid ether whenever possible.
White smoke is not going to hurt anything though it does indicate something is wrong. My guess is the injectors need to be cleaned or replaced or that engine is flat wore out with low compression.
every semi or engine for that matter will blow white smoke when it is cold it goes away ounce the engine is warm unless it is very cold they will still smoke a little
White smoke is unburned fuel. Once the engine starts running the white smoke should disappear. I would seriously question timing in an engine that runs with white smoke. That and compression on all cylinders. IDI and DI can have some differences that can affect smoke as well. For instance I have seen IDI engines run only with the glow plugs on. Basically only the fuel hitting the glow plug was burning. The rest of the cylinder was too cold to maintain combustion. Heat eventually builds up though since the block eventually absorbs enough heat to sustain combustion. But that is only in really cold temps. it should happen way before the block warms up to normal operating temps.
This is a lesson in how NOT to start a diesel engine. Don't grind away when you know it's too cold to start. Either it and don't pump the pedal like that. Once it starts keep the RPM steady so it doesn't die. This guy must go thru a lot of starters and batteries.
I bet you say you "drive" a truck too. You can't "drive" an inanimate object like a truck, but when the internal combustion engine took over from horses, we carried on using the term anyway. Ever "pulled up" at a truckstop? Even though there's no reins in your hands? People have always carried on using old words with new technology - saves inventing a new one.
Yes it pisses me off too.The proper term is accelerator pedal on any vehicle gasoline/propane/natural gas/diesel/alcohol,nitrometh/electric and/or any other types of fuel I have and/or may have missed.Accelerator.
Good idea to cold start a diesel without preheat and then rev it. Few years ago i watched my coworker open up a Cummins that had been started and revved a bit in the cold. He basically gathered the grinded remainings of the crankshaft bearings with a spoon from the oil pan. The smell wasnt that nice either.
If you were to use too much engine starting fluid you could wash out the cylinders. But small amounts of starting fluid will not harm or damage the engine or cause the engine to become dependent on starting fluid that's just silly. Starting fluid used in large amounts will burn up the oil that is in the cylinders causing the piston skirts to become dry from lack of oil (lubrication) which can cause excessive wear. Meaning the piston skirts which are aluminum will not be lubed in the cylinder liners. Most big Diesel engines have piston cooling jets that spray a steady stream of engine oil on the under side of the piston to help lubricate the piston skirt and to help dissipate the extreme heat that Diesel engines produce internally. The piston skirts have oil holes drilled just below the oil ring, then the oil control ring wipes off the excessive oil in the cylinder as the piston travels downward in the cylinder.
If you don't use block heaters then you throw a space heater with a trunk onto the engine for a couple hours before starting it. The wear and tear this crap causes is avoidable
That engine won't start because of how much either u have used in the past. Once you use starting fluid , esp the wrong way, they will never start without it......purchase a block heater, save your engine...
Starting Fluid ignites way too early in a Diesel-Engine and damages the pistons and the cylinder head, as well as the head gasket. Even more damaging is fogging oil that is sprayed into the intake. The result is reduced compression, which leads to starting problems (Engine "addicted" to Starting Fluid) and ultimately to complete engine failure.
man sorry if offended you but, that is a great video to show how to fool an engine in cold wheather , you dont let go the throttle untill the engine has spited out the non burned fuel and turn straight(engine is fooling need air), instead you let go the throttle at the most important moment(your first start), stop playing with throttle , keep it on till..., at 4:38 you finaly get it
I always run about 5gallons of regular gas per 100 gallons of diesel and minw fires up right up first try everytime no matter how cold or how lomg it sits
Interesting comments on warm up. On Boat diesels they alway say run at hi idle 1000-1500 depending on the engine to warm up fairly quickly. The reason they give is a low idle warm up will not warm the engine and it might cause cylinder bore damage like glazing. These truck engines are bigger that the smaller diesel I'm used to in boats but I would think similar applies or am I all wrong. Cheers Warren
The worst thing you can do for a Diesel engine is ether. If used only once or twice not a big deal but it looks like you have a can of it always with you. Not good.
I agree. What makes it bad to use ether on diesel engines is because, like gasoline, ether is combustible. Diesel fuel doesn't com-bust under heat or spark it com-bust under pressure.
Adam Swindell Pressure Creates Heat, In Turn, Allowing the Diesel Fuel to fire off or "com-bust" under heat. You Are right it is the compression Thats Igniting the fuel but it is heat the compression is making so the fuel can "com-Bust" SEE : "How A Pressure Cooker Works - Wikipedia" For More Info On Compression = Heat.
I wouldn't call it an outdated piece of junk. I know an owner operator who still drives his first 10 wheel dump truck a 1964 Mack B-81. He was 16 when he bought it and after high school graduation got on the big dig in Boston and worked it from day one to the end. That truck today looks like it came off the production line last week. It works 5-6 days a week mostly on site. Nothing wrong with an older truck working today just the preference of the owner. The original Thermadyne engine is completely rebuilt sitting in a corner in case it's needed and a Mack 237 is under the hood and still surprises a lot of drivers on the street loaded or empty. How many owner operators do you know that have only had one dump truck their entire career?
That's why they make block heaters..... it's pretty stupid to rev a cold engine like that. I'm not talking about excessive engine speed, but the fluctuation in speed. if you're gonna give it throttle, hold it around 1000 for a little bit until it runs smoothly then let her warm up slowly. Kinda sounded like the engine brake was on in that yellow pos at one point. why... Guy in the video must not be an experienced trucker.... or knows nothing about how to treat a cold truck!
as much as it was cranked before it actually fired the oil is distributed so fluctuating engine speed makes no diff, the parts in that engine are made to move tons of freight from a stand still so a lil up and down on them makes no diff
Krankie V i assume you're a driver, i am a diesel mechanic as long as the oil is circualted there is nothing hard on the engine, i'm sure as a driver the engine seems like some magical power plant, but they are steel parts forming a self propelled air pump
I'm just a farmer. I haven't studied diesel tech yet but I plan on going to school for it next year. I do know that the oil acts as a hydraulic fluid in these engines and at these cold temps it's clearly very thick and doesn't flow well. Maybe it won't damage anything to fluctuate the speed but it is definitely easier on everything to just keep it steady until the engine is warm. As a diesel operator I was always instructed to warm the engines gradually for these reasons, and it seems to me the wisest thing to do. I respect the opinion of a diesel mechanic, but I still reckon it's better not to rev it like that.
Krankie V Amen to that. It's not just fluid viscosity, another big issue is extreme temperature gradients across cold, brittle metals. You wouldn't stick a piece of glass in a freezer on one end and put a torch to it on the other - yet that's precisely what the engine block in this video is facing. Slow, even heating is best. One of the crappy parts of being an engineroom guy in the Navy was waking up at 3am to get the reactor started and warmed up, cooldowns took even longer. Temperature, pressure, and rate of change of either of those factors are huge.
Thanks for preserving this video. I wish the original poster was still on here with his other videos. No matter what all the self appointed diesel "experts" might say, this is still one of the most badass trucks and cold starts on RUclips. It's a hardcore bitch and he knows how to work it with the either and throttle and jake for max smoke n' noize.
That super slow idle reminds me of the scene in the movie, "Christine," and the car is pulling back into Arnie's parking spot, paint all burned up and hood smoking after going on a killing spree!! Love it!
First of you are supposed to turn the switch on and let the grow plugs warm up before you trying cranking it. The fire you see coming out of the tail pipe is where he dumped all the fuel in the engine.
The guy asks: Which one should I take today?....I wouldn't let this guy take either of them. Letting an engine idle that long with what sounded like 4 out of 6 cylinders engaging, was great on the main bearings amongst other things, DUH. I drive a 2015 Pete with a 600 hp Cummins, equipt with cruise control. This Pete looks fairly cool and recent model, set the damn cruse during warm up and get those full 6 or possibly 8 cylinders firing faster.
Knowing you Americans kind of look down on our 2 swedish truck manifactures Scania and Volvo makes it quite hilarious when whatching movies like this. However I think your trucks are good looking and I guess most of the ones used in daily work starts better than this one cause this engine must be singing on the verry last note. It sounds like shit!
Terry Franks By your statement there I guess your Pete doesn't start to well either? However I actually do think your trucks are quite badass, at least the ones a saw when I went to Quebec and saw Rodeo du camion in Notre dame du nord. The french-canadians sure got there trucks running well.
No sober person can claim that this truck is in good working order, almost doesn't start when it ain't colder than this. And for my bad english I'm quite sure that your knowledge in our swedish language whon't be so sweet either. Have a nice day sir!
Stephen kinsella have you ever heard the sound of a big cam rig.Sounds like a drag racing car. but big rig style.BIG CAM.BITCH TO START.LOPE LOPE LOPE LOPE.
The second truck started better because, ether it had not set all night before being shut off, or it was a lot newer motor then the first truck, or the two truck had different engines, diesel engines are not like gas engines, a diesel needs heat to burn the fuel as engine gets a lot more mile on them, they lose compression, making it harder to start in the winter, two things you can to make engine start better in the cold winters, your best chose is, run a electric cord to the blocker heater, if possible, this is better on the starter, and the batteries & the engine, this is not always possible, when you have too use ether to start a cold engine as the guy did on the first truck but insted, take two or three rags shove them in to where is the air is pulled into the air cleaner, and spray a lot more ether in the rages, this keeps sending the ether in to the motor longer and keeps it from shutting down, like it did for the guy that starting the first truck
We have to start drilling equipment cold all the in winter at sites, No opportunity to plug in block heaters. If its very cold we warm up the oil pan with a tiger torch and a piece of duct, Then as soon as they are running bring the rpm up to about 1100. if starting bone cold no heating within the first few seconds we bring the revs up to 1100. The risk is that the valves stick from frozen fuel vapor and tight valve guides.... you can bend a valve if they idle too slow when really cold (-30--45). The Idea is that bearings are large enough that they can support the rpm even with low initial oil pressure fine, and at least the valve train lives until warmed up. Get alot of hours out of 3406 cats...been doing it for 30 years so far so good. Stuff does wear out and needs rebuild, but nothing broke yet from running them up right away, but valves have bent from idling cold at 700rpm
+tom slick Heat tape? You can't be fucking serious... I'm assuming you mean he should have had the engine block heater plugged in, and that would defeat the purpose of this video now wouldn't it?
This hard startin’, hard chuggin’, smokin’ bitch just gets me every time I watch it pumpin’ out the raw oil. I wish the other videos of this tractor and his other stuff was still up.
We've got a couple of trucks that are cold blooded like that. And good block heaters would make all the difference. My boss gets pissed if he catches anybody revving a cold engine.
Both beautiful trucks, and they sound awesome. And that stars and stripe paint job on the second one is beautiful. One thing I did find funny was the first one, the starter sounds almost like an 80s square body Chevy when it's spinning. But great video buddy. I'm not sure how it came up as a recommended video, but I am happy it did
"not so cold out ladies, not a real cold start" well then sir, as a diesel mechanic, I'd say your truck is a pile of shit!!! Jesus! I can get a truck to start faster than that in -20 F!
Derek Anderson exactly, it's not cold at all with snow melting off everything. I can see why the day can had so much trouble starting with this guy being a showoff revving the piss outta it. The whole going to work bit was a joke too, I guess he isn't required to have license plates either.
patrick connors Obviously you don't understand that we can't get your European piles over here in the USA. Also this thing is probably from the 1960's and also a collectable so your argument is also invalid. European vehicles are a joke. A valve adjustment on a car. Seriously (European vehicles for some reason have to have this horse shit done)? You don't hear about that kind of nonsense with American cars and trucks.
Wow that trucks seen more nose candy than rick james.......keep using ether and not block heaters and you wont be in business for long! Bet they like to redline the pyrometer too! Poor truck.
Hey Kevin, how the hell you doing? its your photographer buddy from way back at Englishtown truck shows. I hope you're still trucking during this covid time. I'm still out here but shooting antique cars now more than trucks. really miss the Englishtown Truck shows. Shame they were stopped.
+Vilian Dan I have heard that some diptych came up with the idea of putting his radiator in the passenger side, right along the exhaust port. The idea was to keep the driver warm while the carbon monoxide gets to work until the vodka wears off. The work around was not to open the driver-side window of a Moskovich -ever nor start one up, IIRC. (It was along time ago.)
It's soot you moron, it falls to the ground. People that whine about diesel smoke piss me off, you're the ones that introduced the "dpf" bullshit that uses fuel to burn unburned fuel. I've seen 2010 & newer gasers blowin blue smoke so fuck off
Don Heston Do you know what tier 4 emissions is sir? Absolute horse shit is what it is. I would take an 80's semi over a new one just for that reason. I live in California. Oh and Diesel exhaust fluid?! Seriously!? Also when I did road paving our new Volvo excavator would stop working every 3 hours to CLEAN ITS EXHAUST! Its more than just an inconvenience for businesses. Damn Government Gimps.
Diesels usually only smoke like that when trying to start. The cause for black smoke is because unburnt fuel in going through exhaust. Once running they clear up and run cleaner.
Those are magnificent looking trucks. Love the shape and the styling applied to both.
i dont know why. but for some reason i was extremly satisfied when it started.
It's like me on a school morning. Attempting to start and revving to keep awake lol.
Best batteries EVER!
I remember commenting on this when I was young stating that it was very very hard on a engine to be cold starting a revving the way you did. now I am a diagnostic mechanic for Cummins and I still stand by that comment. think about that lol
ryan000s this was posted in 2013?
Team_TCR - hahahaha
I was under the impression, via owners manual, that Cummins recommendation turning on the exhaust brake to help the engine warm up quicker. Is that correct?
What engine is it
@@johnengland1363 exhaust brake. Hahahaah
You guys need to chill the fuck out with this "engine on its last legs" bullshit. It's a '50s Cummins with a very low idle. Live with it.
1950's? that truck is probably only a 1980's. It's a 359. Not a 351.
the engine has many miles on it, and that's why it smokes alot when it's cold, because the piston rings are worn out, so
the pistons themselves have to warm up and expand a bit, and when the engine is warm, the smoking wil be over.
The engine could run for many more miles like that, but i'm sure that alot of horse power died during the years, so
in a way this engine is on it's last legs, because it wil use more oil and it wil give less bang for a buck, so economical
it needs to be redone.
3DPeter the real reason is that the fact that he uses ether in a diesel i feel like no one knows how bad that is, cylinders have cross hatches in them to help build compression, multiple uses of ether will make the cylinders smooth as a babys ass, iv seen it done first hand and this is exactly what looks like what is happening the motor has very little compression
The engine definitely has low compression if it starts that hard and smokes like that. The rings are shot.
It's not a 1950s cummins for Christ sake
This is one of my favorite cold start videos
Came back here after 5 years lol
watched your video years ago and I say who gives a shit about how you cold start it it's yours to start how ever the fuck you want.Love the vid and the truck.Thanks
I guess every
Kid thinks their a diesel mechanic now lol. That old heffa just didn't wanna wake up. 1954 peterbilt 1000hp cummins twin turbo through a 6x4 spicer transmission to rear end gears of 2:70 is a dream truck for me.
2:70 whoah that's small gears ain't it? Or do those axles go by bigger gears?
JeepFanForLife final output in top gear in high range is 2.70 which is a good highway ratio.
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it has a good starter and great batteries
Love the comments about destroying the batteries, this has no effect on the batteries as he didn't kill them or allow them to freeze. The batteries were still spinning the engine with lots of energy so it will not hurt the batteries. The starter on the other hand is not enjoying life in this machine. Heaving use and no cool down time is a sure fire way to shorten to kill a good starter.
Also that first truck should be looked at for low compression, it should not take that much spinning to build up enough heat to burn diesel if it is healthy. I bet multiple starts like this have the compression down with a huge amount of blow by now. Also explains why it won't idle after you start it.
Plus, it really wasn't that cold. I think I saw somewhere else it was 27.
I'm willing to bet the compression is down because it makes crazy boost. Just judging by the rest of the mods and the obnoxious cam, the truck probably has a huge turbo that spools plenty of air to make up for the low compression at idle. Not likely to be a practical everyday working rig.
It's just an old wore out Pete with a Cummins. Been worked and rodded it's whole life and needs some attention. And an extension cord.
We had a extra oil.pressure switch added to ours so no go juice with out running iol pressure
One thing for sure he has one hell of a battery
Blackie Chong most rigs have a 3+1 system. 1 battery runs everything. 3 start the truck .
Just blows me away how people just love doing cold starts on big truck, the colder the better.... ISNT ANY THING WORSE on a big motor...A trucker who cares about his trucks plugs them in!!!
And they sure don't rev a cold engine like that!
I forsee this truck having scarred cylinders, damaged piston skirts, hammered crank and rod bearings badly leaking injectors, a severe ether addiction... and a new starter. After that guy started it 3 times cold. Based on when this video was made I'm betting the truck no longer runs.
I love the sound the Cash cab makes when it idle's :D
what a super trucker! starting a cold engine and engaging jake brake
that's what I was thinking. peterbilt sounds like crap. I bet he cowboys the shit out of that truck. my guess is the boss made him go start the trucks. no proper truck owner would ever Rev a frozen engine. hell I don't even Rev my engine in the summer months
+no bueno Yeah I have a 3406B CAT Engine in my 362 Cabover and I don't want to do anything to screw it up.
@@MrNastytrucker44 he his the boss. Haha
Should not rev the engine while cold.
If you keep it under low rpm it's okay
If you don't go over 3k or so it's ok
3K in a diesel?
3k is a bit hardcore man, stock valmet-diesels wont even rev 3k :D
Yeah 300 probably
LOL. I know how she feels! I hate waking up on a cold morning! :)
Ohhhh everything has trouble waking up
yup only a Cummins barks like that :).
True, some of the older diesels were a pain to get started when below 20 deg, some older than 1970 were tough to start even at 40 deg. Newer ones start well unaided to about 0 deg. Always avoid ether whenever possible.
One thing ya don't get from this video.. the smell. I love that smell. Especially on those cold winter morning startups. God I love driving!
Someone buy this man some block heaters please. :P
White smoke is not going to hurt anything though it does indicate something is wrong. My guess is the injectors need to be cleaned or replaced or that engine is flat wore out with low compression.
every semi or engine for that matter will blow white smoke when it is cold it goes away ounce the engine is warm unless it is very cold they will still smoke a little
White smoke is unburned fuel. Once the engine starts running the white smoke should disappear. I would seriously question timing in an engine that runs with white smoke. That and compression on all cylinders. IDI and DI can have some differences that can affect smoke as well. For instance I have seen IDI engines run only with the glow plugs on. Basically only the fuel hitting the glow plug was burning. The rest of the cylinder was too cold to maintain combustion. Heat eventually builds up though since the block eventually absorbs enough heat to sustain combustion. But that is only in really cold temps. it should happen way before the block warms up to normal operating temps.
diesel is not white when unburt its black
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Typical that trolls like you are also ignorant. lol
This is a lesson in how NOT to start a diesel engine. Don't grind away when you know it's too cold to start. Either it and don't pump the pedal like that. Once it starts keep the RPM steady so it doesn't die. This guy must go thru a lot of starters and batteries.
The same people who say there is a gas pedal in a diesel truck are the same one's who use the word "clip" when referring to reloading a gun!
Depends what gun it is ;) M1's use a clip, and many bolt actions can be loaded by clips
I bet you say you "drive" a truck too. You can't "drive" an inanimate object like a truck, but when the internal combustion engine took over from horses, we carried on using the term anyway. Ever "pulled up" at a truckstop? Even though there's no reins in your hands? People have always carried on using old words with new technology - saves inventing a new one.
Yes it pisses me off too.The proper term is accelerator pedal on any vehicle gasoline/propane/natural gas/diesel/alcohol,nitrometh/electric and/or any other types of fuel I have and/or may have missed.Accelerator.
neversleep321
It is called a accelerator.
We often call it a throttle in the UK. Yeah, we know it's wrong but it's shorter than accelerator. Anyway, it's just a name...
I love this vid
I sleep better after watching
WOW! Flames 4:41!
Good idea to cold start a diesel without preheat and then rev it. Few years ago i watched my coworker open up a Cummins that had been started and revved a bit in the cold. He basically gathered the grinded remainings of the crankshaft bearings with a spoon from the oil pan. The smell wasnt that nice either.
Awesome sound! Much better than the Volvos and Scanias we have here in Sweden!
unbelievable,,,,,cold ass motor and he floors it, unfcking real
ive started the western star in my pic at -40 cold start it didn't really like me very much took 2 hours to fully warm up before i could move it
Boy and I thought. Go karts are hard to start kudos to u
If you were to use too much engine starting fluid you could wash out the cylinders. But small amounts of starting fluid will not harm or damage the engine or cause the engine to become dependent on starting fluid that's just silly. Starting fluid used in large amounts will burn up the oil that is in the cylinders causing the piston skirts to become dry from lack of oil (lubrication) which can cause excessive wear. Meaning the piston skirts which are aluminum will not be lubed in the cylinder liners. Most big Diesel engines have piston cooling jets that spray a steady stream of engine oil on the under side of the piston to help lubricate the piston skirt and to help dissipate the extreme heat that Diesel engines produce internally. The piston skirts have oil holes drilled just below the oil ring, then the oil control ring wipes off the excessive oil in the cylinder as the piston travels downward in the cylinder.
you should have wrote "with flames Cummin out of pipes!" HAHA
+TheBlackSheep You should have wrote 'written'.
drServitis
but bad grammer is kewl LOL
TheBlackSheep Bad grammar is kewl when it's intentional, but tragic when it's a way of life.
drServitis
YOU SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN "WRITTEN" by the way lol
TheBlackSheep You missed the joke. I splained it twice in these comments, though hidden.
I recommend block heaters. Pretty much a standard piece of an engine in Nordic Countries where it's cold half of the year. Pays itself pretty quick.
They aren't necessary when it only gets really cold for a few days a year. Pretty much every truck up north has block heaters, but not in the south.
most trucks have block heaters from the factory but some don't and some don't need to use them if they have one it just matter on the engine
If you don't use block heaters then you throw a space heater with a trunk onto the engine for a couple hours before starting it. The wear and tear this crap causes is avoidable
That engine won't start because of how much either u have used in the past. Once you use starting fluid , esp the wrong way, they will never start without it......purchase a block heater, save your engine...
this guy... im sorry but you clearly dont know facts about diesel engines.. Engines dont get "addicted" to starting fluid.
Starting Fluid ignites way too early in a Diesel-Engine and damages the pistons and the cylinder head, as well as the head gasket. Even more damaging is fogging oil that is sprayed into the intake. The result is reduced compression, which leads to starting problems (Engine "addicted" to Starting Fluid) and ultimately to complete engine failure.
GeorgeGordonNCA
^^ This.
Dustin Zazworsky shut the fuck up no shit they dont what he means is it need it to start
You just portrayed your intelligence. Need to say no more....
man sorry if offended you but, that is a great video to show how to fool an engine in cold wheather , you dont let go the throttle untill the engine has spited out the non burned fuel and turn straight(engine is fooling need air), instead you let go the throttle at the most important moment(your first start), stop playing with throttle , keep it on till..., at 4:38 you finaly get it
I always run about 5gallons of regular gas per 100 gallons of diesel and minw fires up right up first try everytime no matter how cold or how lomg it sits
Seriously, did I miss something? Some asshat starting a truck. Wow. How astonishing! 8 minutes of pure adrenaline amazement I'll never get back
Wow! Can I get an invisible hood like that so I can do a pretrip from the cab too?
Love the "Stars & Stripes"! Lookin' Good!
nothing like a wore out diesel trying to start on a cold morning
Interesting comments on warm up. On Boat diesels they alway say run at hi idle 1000-1500 depending on the engine to warm up fairly quickly. The reason they give is a low idle warm up will not warm the engine and it might cause cylinder bore damage like glazing. These truck engines are bigger that the smaller diesel I'm used to in boats but I would think similar applies or am I all wrong. Cheers Warren
The worst thing you can do for a Diesel engine is ether. If used only once or twice not a big deal but it looks like you have a can of it always with you. Not good.
He'll knock out is bottom end's
Ether is like crack too a diesel engine !
I agree. What makes it bad to use ether on diesel engines is because, like gasoline, ether is combustible. Diesel fuel doesn't com-bust under heat or spark it com-bust under pressure.
Adam Swindell Pressure Creates Heat, In Turn, Allowing the Diesel Fuel to fire off or "com-bust" under heat. You Are right it is the compression Thats Igniting the fuel but it is heat the compression is making so the fuel can "com-Bust"
SEE : "How A Pressure Cooker Works - Wikipedia" For More Info On Compression = Heat.
Kelly Pass Oh. I honestly didn't know. That does make sense. Sorry for the little mishap.
I wouldn't call it an outdated piece of junk.
I know an owner operator who still drives his first 10 wheel dump truck a 1964 Mack B-81. He was 16 when he bought it and after high school graduation got on the big dig in Boston and worked it from day one to the end. That truck today looks like it came off the production line last week. It works 5-6 days a week mostly on site. Nothing wrong with an older truck working today just the preference of the owner. The original Thermadyne engine is completely rebuilt sitting in a corner in case it's needed and a Mack 237 is under the hood and still surprises a lot of drivers on the street loaded or empty.
How many owner operators do you know that have only had one dump truck their entire career?
That's why they make block heaters..... it's pretty stupid to rev a cold engine like that. I'm not talking about excessive engine speed, but the fluctuation in speed. if you're gonna give it throttle, hold it around 1000 for a little bit until it runs smoothly then let her warm up slowly.
Kinda sounded like the engine brake was on in that yellow pos at one point. why...
Guy in the video must not be an experienced trucker.... or knows nothing about how to treat a cold truck!
as much as it was cranked before it actually fired the oil is distributed so fluctuating engine speed makes no diff, the parts in that engine are made to move tons of freight from a stand still so a lil up and down on them makes no diff
^Clearly knows nothing about how to treat cold diesel engines
Krankie V i assume you're a driver, i am a diesel mechanic as long as the oil is circualted there is nothing hard on the engine, i'm sure as a driver the engine seems like some magical power plant, but they are steel parts forming a self propelled air pump
I'm just a farmer. I haven't studied diesel tech yet but I plan on going to school for it next year. I do know that the oil acts as a hydraulic fluid in these engines and at these cold temps it's clearly very thick and doesn't flow well. Maybe it won't damage anything to fluctuate the speed but it is definitely easier on everything to just keep it steady until the engine is warm. As a diesel operator I was always instructed to warm the engines gradually for these reasons, and it seems to me the wisest thing to do. I respect the opinion of a diesel mechanic, but I still reckon it's better not to rev it like that.
Krankie V Amen to that. It's not just fluid viscosity, another big issue is extreme temperature gradients across cold, brittle metals. You wouldn't stick a piece of glass in a freezer on one end and put a torch to it on the other - yet that's precisely what the engine block in this video is facing. Slow, even heating is best. One of the crappy parts of being an engineroom guy in the Navy was waking up at 3am to get the reactor started and warmed up, cooldowns took even longer. Temperature, pressure, and rate of change of either of those factors are huge.
Yeahhhhhh she's got some good batteries, breathing some life into that ole girl sweet truck man sounds good
At 5:15 I was almost expecting that truck to come alive and run him down like in that film with the possessed truck that kills people
niftyrmz450 which film? Lol
maximum overdrive
niftyrmz450 Transformers?
maximum overdrive! lol
niftyrmz450 Wrong Turn
I love the sound the trucks make when u let off the gas
Remember the air powered starters
One of my favourite engines you could put into a peterbuilt lovely video
ever think about plugging it in over night
Thanks for preserving this video. I wish the original poster was still on here with his other videos.
No matter what all the self appointed diesel "experts" might say, this is still one of the most badass trucks and cold starts on RUclips. It's a hardcore bitch and he knows how to work it with the either and throttle and jake for max smoke n' noize.
Starter hot much? I bet those cables were hot enough to fry a egg
That super slow idle reminds me of the scene in the movie, "Christine," and the car is pulling back into Arnie's parking spot, paint all burned up and hood smoking after going on a killing spree!! Love it!
omg it does
You know I jump into my Scania (as in from Sweden) put the key in start it first pop warm her up and im already long gone
Sounds like it's in need of a rack adjustment , sounds like an old school cummins Good vid :)
What was the temperature?
(I wonder quietly to my self)
I found this video oddly satisfying.
Thats gonna wake up the neighbors :D
First of you are supposed to turn the switch on and let the grow plugs warm up before you trying cranking it. The fire you see coming out of the tail pipe is where he dumped all the fuel in the engine.
Heavy truck engines don't have glow plugs...
Damn thats a low idle, like 400 rpm?
The guy asks: Which one should I take today?....I wouldn't let this guy take either of them. Letting an engine idle that long with what sounded like 4 out of 6 cylinders engaging, was great on the main bearings amongst other things, DUH. I drive a 2015 Pete with a 600 hp Cummins, equipt with cruise control. This Pete looks fairly cool and recent model, set the damn cruse during warm up and get those full 6 or possibly 8 cylinders firing faster.
It's at least 43 years old. Peterbilt switched from the Unilight cab, small window, square doors in 1973.
how much for the yellow beautiful beast? it sounds like Angels singing
Praise the Lord.
4 years of watching this video never gets old
Knowing you Americans kind of look down on our 2 swedish truck manifactures Scania and Volvo makes it quite hilarious when whatching movies like this. However I think your trucks are good looking and I guess most of the ones used in daily work starts better than this one cause this engine must be singing on the verry last note. It sounds like shit!
Terry Franks more like the land of the offended
Terry Franks By your statement there I guess your Pete doesn't start to well either? However I actually do think your trucks are quite badass, at least the ones a saw when I went to Quebec and saw Rodeo du camion in Notre dame du nord. The french-canadians sure got there trucks running well.
No sober person can claim that this truck is in good working order, almost doesn't start when it ain't colder than this.
And for my bad english I'm quite sure that your knowledge in our swedish language whon't be so sweet either. Have a nice day sir!
Guy didn't bother plugging in the block heater and that truck idles way too low sounds like dog shit
Stephen kinsella have you ever heard the sound of a big cam rig.Sounds like a drag racing car. but big rig style.BIG CAM.BITCH TO START.LOPE LOPE LOPE LOPE.
back in the old days we would lite a small fire under the sump , will warm up slowly in 45 mins n start real easy and warms the oil to
The second truck started better because, ether it had not set all night before being shut off, or it was a lot newer motor then the first truck, or the two truck had different engines, diesel engines are not like gas engines, a diesel needs heat to burn the fuel as engine gets a lot more mile on them, they lose compression, making it harder to start in the winter, two things you can to make engine start better in the cold winters, your best chose is, run a electric cord to the blocker heater, if possible, this is better on the starter, and the batteries & the engine, this is not always possible, when you have too use ether to start a cold engine as the guy did on the first truck but insted, take two or three rags shove them in to where is the air is pulled into the air cleaner, and spray a lot more ether in the rages, this keeps sending the ether in to the motor longer and keeps it from shutting down, like it did for the guy that starting the first truck
If you have to use ether, you're doing it wrong. Ether is the devil in a can, only idiots use it.
We have to start drilling equipment cold all the in winter at sites, No opportunity to plug in block heaters. If its very cold we warm up the oil pan with a tiger torch and a piece of duct, Then as soon as they are running bring the rpm up to about 1100. if starting bone cold no heating within the first few seconds we bring the revs up to 1100. The risk is that the valves stick from frozen fuel vapor and tight valve guides.... you can bend a valve if they idle too slow when really cold (-30--45). The Idea is that bearings are large enough that they can support the rpm even with low initial oil pressure fine, and at least the valve train lives until warmed up. Get alot of hours out of 3406 cats...been doing it for 30 years so far so good. Stuff does wear out and needs rebuild, but nothing broke yet from running them up right away, but valves have bent from idling cold at 700rpm
let me help you save time watching this... watch 4:35 to 4:45, move on to the next video
Nice trucks 👍🏻 only boring trucks here up north 😞 love the sound! Greetings from Norway.
ticking over at 5 rpm
lol
This is amazing, the fact he told you when it got good, just because of that im gonna watch the whole thing
all of that could be avoided if u plug the damn thing
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+Jdog Schu Agreed.
Then that would defeat the purpose of trying to film a cold start lol
that was an older model and didn't have one.Plus he revs the shit out of it and its very bad for a cold deisal
Reminds me of every Chevy I owned.
what year and model truck is this?
I wouldnt do that to it if it was mine, but man, you gotta love that sound!!!
All thumbs up just for that deep growling piece of iron!
should have had it plugged into heat tape
+tom slick Heat tape? You can't be fucking serious... I'm assuming you mean he should have had the engine block heater plugged in, and that would defeat the purpose of this video now wouldn't it?
Josh Underwood ok
Here in Maine we use a unique invention called block heaters. You ought to try getting one for your rig
all I see is a bunch of rigs lounging around a back yard
This hard startin’, hard chuggin’, smokin’ bitch just gets me every time I watch it pumpin’ out the raw oil.
I wish the other videos of this tractor and his other stuff was still up.
Did I really just sit for over 8 minutes and watch a bloke start a couple of trucks
Yes, yes you did.
Why'd you watch it if you were gonna complain about it
At 7:00 that's just music right there. Can't wait to get my own truck
four either cans later
either?
ether? ? either ether or starting fluid was what i ment lol
I could listen to that truck crank all day!
HOW TO BURN OUT A STARTER by not using glow plugs properly.
What glow plugs? No class 8 diesel engines in the US have glow plugs.
That provides how smart you are. Big Cummings don't have glow plug. The b series and 1693 cats have glow plugs
+Dennis Yokum I had a Peterbilt with a B and a Freightliner cabover with an A. Neither had glow plugs.
Class 8 trucks don't have glow plugs you idiot, and the only Cummins engines that have glow plugs are the new 5.0 V8's in the Nissan Titans.
Cummins b series do not have glow plugs they have heat grids in the air intake.
We've got a couple of trucks that are cold blooded like that. And good block heaters would make all the difference. My boss gets pissed if he catches anybody revving a cold engine.
I can't believe I'm one of 900,000 idiots who will never get that 8 minutes of their life back.
+Scotty B Lets' us hope yall has a nidea how to wrote written write. (Eturd least be sumthin.)
totally agree
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Scotty B shut the hell up
Both beautiful trucks, and they sound awesome. And that stars and stripe paint job on the second one is beautiful.
One thing I did find funny was the first one, the starter sounds almost like an 80s square body Chevy when it's spinning. But great video buddy. I'm not sure how it came up as a recommended video, but I am happy it did
Wouldn't own this truck if he gave it to me after seeing that.
YES HE SURE MAKES IT LOOK BAD FOR CUMMINGS.SMARTEN UP STUPID & PULL THIS BULLSHIT DOWN.PLEASE ,GO BACK TO SCHOOL. MAYBE GET SOME HORSES.
no block heater?
trevin maurer that has nothing to do with it I have a 1986 359 and I has a block heater
"not so cold out ladies, not a real cold start" well then sir, as a diesel mechanic, I'd say your truck is a pile of shit!!! Jesus! I can get a truck to start faster than that in -20 F!
Derek Anderson exactly, it's not cold at all with snow melting off everything. I can see why the day can had so much trouble starting with this guy being a showoff revving the piss outta it. The whole going to work bit was a joke too, I guess he isn't required to have license plates either.
nothing better than an Cummins girl from Atlanta Georgia
buy a scania.cold starts are no problem to european trucks
i,m sure you do.
im not writing a book.its called simple text.its not my fault your trucks are crap
`no i didnt
patrick connors Obviously you don't understand that we can't get your European piles over here in the USA. Also this thing is probably from the 1960's and also a collectable so your argument is also invalid. European vehicles are a joke. A valve adjustment on a car. Seriously (European vehicles for some reason have to have this horse shit done)? You don't hear about that kind of nonsense with American cars and trucks.
I preferr this peterbilt and I am european
Sound Orgie!!! Geil. Danke. Bitte mehr...
Wow that trucks seen more nose candy than rick james.......keep using ether and not block heaters and you wont be in business for long! Bet they like to redline the pyrometer too! Poor truck.
free revving an engine is always good for it too cause we all know an old cummins is an rpm king!
Ya real good for the cold motor n rev the shit out of it ...dumb ass
Bet he wiped out some Jake springs too . Damn if Reving to the Gov wasnt bad enough the jackass had the Jake on with cold oil on a cold engine . UGH
Hey Kevin, how the hell you doing? its your photographer buddy from way back at Englishtown truck shows. I hope you're still trucking during this covid time. I'm still out here but shooting antique cars now more than trucks. really miss the Englishtown Truck shows. Shame they were stopped.
The most better truck îs russian truck!!
+Vilian Dan
I have heard that some diptych came up with the idea of putting his radiator in the passenger side, right along the exhaust port. The idea was to keep the driver warm while the carbon monoxide gets to work until the vodka wears off. The work around was not to open the driver-side window of a Moskovich -ever nor start one up, IIRC. (It was along time ago.)
smart man.....never let loose on a cold disesl engine
All that black smoke but yet my car has to go threw emissions testing smh
It's soot you moron, it falls to the ground. People that whine about diesel smoke piss me off, you're the ones that introduced the "dpf" bullshit that uses fuel to burn unburned fuel. I've seen 2010 & newer gasers blowin blue smoke so fuck off
John Young- I would give you another like👍if I could!!!
Don Heston Do you know what tier 4 emissions is sir? Absolute horse shit is what it is. I would take an 80's semi over a new one just for that reason. I live in California. Oh and Diesel exhaust fluid?! Seriously!? Also when I did road paving our new Volvo excavator would stop working every 3 hours to CLEAN ITS EXHAUST! Its more than just an inconvenience for businesses. Damn Government Gimps.
Don Heston Diesel burns a lot more thoroughly. It just has a crude smell but its under much higher pressure so it burns more.
Diesels usually only smoke like that when trying to start. The cause for black smoke is because unburnt fuel in going through exhaust. Once running they clear up and run cleaner.
I think it's time for you guys to make a 2023 cold start video
That is one ugly ass truck that barely runs
Cool video! I enjoyed it without feeling the need to tell you all the things you did wrong. Keep 'em coming!