I can do clickbait too, Mohammed. Please help me by requesting my permission to upload the debate. Timestamps: Intro - 0:00 Improper Crediting - 2:25 Editing Footage - 5:24 Controlling Comments - 9:25 My Microphone Cutting Out - 14:35 Misquoting Me - 18:26 Misquoting Me Again - 27:53 Misuses Logical Necessity - 37:25 Misquotes Me a Third Time - 40:30 Commits Tu Quoque fallacy - 50:59 Proven Wrong By Audience Member - 58:35 Outro - 1:04:15
Урок на будущее. In future, you should be careful and just stop talking when you hear that you are being cut out. Stop, look at the camera and make visual gesture to indicate that your microphone has been turned off/"has technical difficulties". They pull the same dirty trick in Russian Duma.
Part of the reason might be, according to Cipolla's basic laws of human stupidity, because stupid people are mindless of the gains for themselves or others and as such act in a way where everyone loses.
@@pacco1737 Actually I did watch it in full a year ago but I am not talking about this. I am talking about his interview on “ capturing christianity” where he said “ The contingency argument ( argument mohamed was using) is a strong one along with certain ontological arguments” just go to hijabs channel and see the clip.
Alex, you are claiming that Mohammed Hijab has been exposed. That is an active claim. Tell me how it is possible metaphysically, cosmologicaly , ontologicaly , from first principles. Give me the answers please.
He’s talking about making a claim during the debate and if you watch the video you will see that it’s possible without having to go through that other bullshit, because he just straight up exposed that guy right there on camera with the receipts to back it up.
James Camper I’m a muslim and I have to agree on Alex on this debate, just this particular debate. I think Hijap completely misunderstood Alex’s statement. In any debate it’s always important to understand the other person and listen. Hijab, I do admire him for his knowledge but when it comes to debates he is already fixed in what he believes in. I think he should have listened to Alex a lot more. I’m a muslim, I don’t agree with everything Hijab has said in the Oxford debate. I’ve seen much better debates from muslims who actually listens to their opponents.
Are we all being re-recommended this video, because as I began going through comments, I saw recent comments and was laughing. Loving all the recent engagements with Alex, and seeing him show up in more places.
What do you mean he is censoring comments? Oh so you mean he isn't censoring comments. OK so you retracted it then. You retract that statement. Got it.
It is depressing how many times I have heard this analogy when used to describe a theist debating an atheist. It is like theists feel the need to lie instead of just admitting they have something wrong.
Lol guys, urs is all hate. U cant just accept the reality. Keep being morale atheist, very logical persons 🤣🤣 why instead of blaming each other like this dont we live together with all our con ceptions and misconceptions, than after death we are all gonna aree what is right and what is wrong. I mean, u artheis guys are so funny. Il make an example of you... so, there a banana on the table in a house in Iceland ok? What attestato do is refuse to accept the fact that the banana is actually there just because u dont see it;the fact is that u rejecting this fact or not makes not difference, because the banana always has been there and it is still. This same example we can use it to describe you atheist guys... u just dont like the fact that there is a creator and that he is gonna a judge you in the end of time, thats all, so u guys try in every way to put shit on people who believe in this so that ur toughts make sense for 1 time. U guys know it, in the deepest part of ur brain, that Islam is the truth, and no one ia gonna escape the power of God. Not randomly He said that if ALL ( humans and jinns) were to Pray for him, he's not gonna get bigger in any shape or form. At the same time, if ALL (humans and jinn) were to sin day after day non-stop,his kingdom will always remain the same. The pointer is that he doesnt even need you, even ur prayer, even your good deeds. U gotta care about him indeed, because u are just a useless human being, u are gonna a die 1 day and most important u dont even know what is going to happening to your Body and Soul, but you guys can well refuse the existance of a Creatore XD cringe no? So he doesnt need you and ur atheist mentality. The ones who are gonna pay for disbelievening are you, so if u are happy with this material life and ur evil doeings, well, than enjoy until u can, cuz time is short, im sure u remeber when u were 10 years old as it was yesterday... 60 years old are coming soon, if u reach them. Death is close, keep ur eyes open, have a good one.
@@morad6690 bro your example is simply bad. for example, what evidences are there that the banana is inside the house? i mean you say it yourself, I cant see the banana inside the house. so I would need some kind of prove like a photo to make me belief that claim. the problem is this, you guys cant give us any concrete evidence that the banana exist in that house and yet you want us to believe it simply because you guys said that the banana is inside the house. that's just outrageous. and pls, how do you know that Islam is the correct religion. even if we atheists are wrong, based on simple probability, i can confidently bet that Islam is wrong.
@@morad6690 Lol the fact that you started your reply with a peace treaty like why can't we live peacefully which made me think yeah good i should read further, and with every line the disappointment was just increasing inch by inch. I hope you reread your reply and think what the actual heck you just wrote with a logical perspective. and also started with peace and ended with how we are just afraid of "your" God and faking what we believe Lmao "You" people never stop making me wonder how illogical a person can be.
Mohammed Hijab said, and i quote "when the universe came into existance, it well and truly came into existence out of nothing" . Crazy that he changed his mind so quickly
That dosent contradict İslam. The part that differed is how it came from nothing. Us Muslims beleive that the universe was created by God from absolutely nothing, and an athiest would beleive the big bang theory, meaning that it was created from nothing, but without god. Which is simply illogical
@@ibrahimfaruq6630 So, if I'm a Muslim I'm supposed to be blind to the clear mistakes another so called 'Muslim' makes? And it does what, strengthen Islam?? God help you brother.
I'm a free speech absolutist but momo hijab makes me pause... sometimes I think there might be someone so stupid they do more harm to society than themselves. But then I remember that society needs to know these people exist and just how stupid people can be.
@@hutchisonmichael1 "Just think how stupid the average person is. Then think how the other half is even stupider" - George Carlin - (that may not be the exact quote, but that is the essence)
You’ll never get an apology from him. He oozes arrogance and seems incapable of humility. My judge of character on these debates is who’s transparent and who is dishonest. It’s obvious in this case
Never in my whole life have I seen such an undignified, outrageous, unprofessional and pathetic behavior where you would really expect it. I admire your patient and calm assertiveness. Loving your content and mind!
I was shocked about Muhammed Hijabs behaviour of missquoiting. But when I learned, that he didn't missqoute and you obviously show other parts of the qouted video I was more shocked and disappointed. You truly claimed, that the universe came out of nothing and didn't qoute someone. ruclips.net/video/7JibSTglpnU/видео.html He is saying minute 14 to 15 and you show parts of the video after the 23th minute My comment to CosmicSkeptic. The same goes for the other video quotation
@@Nasir_3. we were talking about Mohammed Hijab's video where he keep deleting comments that don't go his way and it's just very ironic since the comment count keeps on going down
This is infuriating. It's disingenuous and intellectually bankrupt and it's deceptive. No matter who wins or loses the debate, one should at least have the decency and courtesy to show it unadulterated so as to allow the viewers to come to their own conclusion. What makes it worse, is to misrepresent one's interlocutor by editing and totally strawmanning them; following up by posting a clickbait title. It's hard to respect someone who behaves in this way and then pretends that the victim of one's deception is being defensive or conceited.
@chocobonita I get that, and I agree, but in the context of basic decency with your interlocutor, it's still shockingly bad. I'm sure there are many Islamic apologists that are more consistent than this guy. You can see the antagonism in his body language as he's debating
@@BlackStarXx11xX Alex and most atheists never make that claim. That's why he calls himself agnostic, because he doesn't claim to know how the universe came to be, unlike religious people who claim to know because a book told them so and then refute every evidence contradicting it. Alex even said during the debate that he doesn't claim that but if that's what you got from it then no wonder you support Hijab; zero comprehension on your part.
Alex is taking advantage of his sheep follower most of Alex viewer is very dumb sheep they clearly didn't watch the full video the editing part is just the part where he recite the Quran in Arabic he already explained in his video Alex can only claim that Hijab edit the video but he can never claim that Hijab twist the debate ,there are alot of audience muslims and non muslims during the debate silly Alex and his blind sheep viewer if he edited the video ,why would Muhammad Hijab included the part where he messed up? ? where he literally got proven wrong by audience member and the part where Alex microphone got cut out? why would he include that ? why would include the part where he cut the mic when Alex quoting the verse in the quran that can be check and read by people online? even if the mic got cut out all the speaker member and the audience can hear him clearly Alex irrationally claimed that the video has been edited and implying that Hijab twisted the debate i simply proved that his claimed is irrational now you and Alex just giving pathetic lame excuses Alex got crushed he need to move on instead of making pathetic excuses nothing dishonest about the Quran recitation part like what Alex and his viewer try to imply in this video when he pointed it out it is just excuses for Alex to satisfy his dumb supporter it is what the Dumb Sheep who not watch the full video like to focus
@@BlackStarXx11xX just because atheists can't quite explain the origins of the universe, it doesn't fall that only explanation can be a creative intelligence. What you've just committed there is a 'Black and White' fallacy. This is not a binary discussion. Even if it were true that there were some kind of creative intelligence, how do you get from that to the concept of Jinns and Angels and the Heaven and Hell system; with an all powerful creator that governs every system? Secondly, the something from nothing argument is especially weak and is a misunderstanding of current physics. If you look at Lawrence Krauss' work, he makes it very clear what the so-called 'nothing' is using Quantum Mechanics. I find it hypocritical that theists often expect their interlocutors to have read up on everything about their respective religions before passing comment, yet make out of context, misinformed generalisations about beliefs diametrically opposed to theirs. It's a level of intellectual inconsistency and dishonesty that needs to stop
I am a muslim believer myself and I studied and taught Islam for over 15 years in mosques and unis. I’ve watched the debate fully and I must say that I found M Hijab’s behaviour and debate ethical conduct don’t meet the minimum standards of professionalism and is utterly disrespectful. I’m sorry Alex that you’d to deal with that sort of behaviour, but well done for debating with integrity.
I am a Muslim and I wear this Mohammed Hijab Very nice debate course And he wins And I don't know how you can feel bad about him I don't know how you claim to be Muslim Say good things to those who speak ill of your Allah to His Prophet And you call him bad who brings the message of Islam to the world Where do you get these thoughts from? 😅
@@MunnaHossain-cw7mu because Allah said in quran that we should be faithful and honest when debating people (وجادلهم باللتي هي احسن). I’m against hijab because his bad behaviour shows that his argument is weak , i wouldn’t have any problem with that if he wasn’t representing islam to non muslims.. if he shows weakness than that mean islam is weak, do you understand? An islam representative shouldn’t need to use devious ways and cutting people while speaking and the other stuff hijab does.
@@ofHerWord thats the thing, Anyone who studied this subject muslim or non muslim knows that Hijab panicked and started putting a show that only people with little knowledge believe, its an act not for the athiest or the non muslims there, its an act for his fans, and not all of them even, just the ignorant ones who don’t comprehend 5% of the topic, they just there just to clap when hijab tells them "افحمته"
Is experience invalid? So, when men tell you about their experience, it is not true? I don't defend these men who tells their experience. I am just asking.
Hijab is one of the most disingenuous people to ever open their mouths. I wonder if he believes his lies or knows he's telling them when he speaks...You cannot have a debate with this man, he purposely drives the conversation into an argument.
The problem is, as the internet is showing us: It doesn't matter how obvious these people are. If someone wants to believe, they will overlook ANY knowledge that doesn't suit the belief. This is how open Iiars and pseudo-intellectuals come to have influence.
@@mbg4041 Yes, it's a weird, tricky area. I have explained things to some FEs using verifiable evidence and shown them they cannot refute anything. Rigorously. They KNOW that, and yet you see them a day later making the same claim as if they never discussed it before. They have GOT to know that is a lie. Yet something allows them to make the claim. It's like FE is a training system for people to "think" it's OK to Iie if they are protecting a belief.
He is the type who isn't religious because he wants to be better as a person. He see's it as a way of exerting power over others. If it were the former, he wouldn't actively lie as much as he does.
There are hidden agendas that media is doing to frame Islam as a peaceful religion and it’s a clear propaganda under the name of acceptance and Islamophobia...if the world continues like this it will be the end of it because of Wahhabism. We must do something. We must inform people with the truth. We must spread our message. As Arabic is my mother tongue and I actually read the Quraan in its original language (unlike many peoplr who call themselves lefies) I assure you it’s the end of the world after 200 years. Support liberal Muslims who want to change Islam from within and raise more secular values. They are being attacked everyday and they are literally risking their lives for their message. Support Muslim reformers (who encourage the traditional value of Islam but not its teachings of killing non-Muslims, oppressing women, etc. and who generally have moderate or atheistic values like most non practicing Christians today who like only the traditional aspect of Christianity) As a person living in an Muslim country I assure you the end is near...
j d Actually, No Of course following the hatful, oppressive, sexist, anti-science and learning teachings of him is true that now in Islamic countries they are still debating the feasibility of western science (they still think some mental illnesses are evil spirit and they kill the mentally ill) Christianity also has its evil past; it’s only because of reformation and the west’s more secular beliefs nowadays. Secularism is the answer; humanitarianism is the answer.
I watched the debate first and saw almost everything he brought up in this video. I went to the comment section there to see the outrage, not a single person there had anything to say about it! Then I found this video and felt restored to sanity. Alex, we appreciate everything you do!
I have debated Hijab before... He is the poster child for dirty debating. You have to be in a debate with him to properly understand the levels of misrepresentation, sophistry & out right lies that he engages in.
Ertugrul Bey IYI I’ve done that already... I’m good. I don’t debate such disingenuous people. It’s too frustrating attempting to catch them in every single sophistry type scheme, every lie & every piece of misdirection. It doesn’t become about the topic, it then becomes about semantics.
hijab is a verbal bully with zero listening skills and zero wish to understand anyone. he just wants to bully others into his beliefs by whatever dirty means needed (twisting your words, putting words in your mouth, endlessly interrupting to not allow anyone to understand you, attacking you, shaming you etc.). you have my deepest admiration to be willing to persist in a debate with such an appaling bully, as someone needs to do it for all of our sake... but it is so painful to even watch, i cannot even imagine what it must feel like to actually be personally subjected to such continued mistreatment .... thank you for your heroic representation.
Very well described, a bully using all available intimidation and manipulation techniques possible ... Well, in fact he represents islam quite perfectly 😂
Which is how most apologists (and many politicians) work. They know arguments from the opposition and they and their team work out a counter strategy and test them with test audiences. They keep those that gives them the best reaction. Then they "listen" during a debate for keywords and regurgitate their prepared soundbites, even if they're out of context of what was actually being said. That is because their answers usually contain a strawman or two that is then dismantled. Apologists (and many politicians) are the most dishonest people you can ever meet.
0x777 well I would expect them - by which I mean demand, not necessarily trust them to - to at least have the basic decency of not doing any of the things Mohammed Hijab is guilty of doing in this prime example of disingenuousness. I don’t get why you would even engage in a discussion if you’re not open to learn something new. Same goes for a debate. You can make your point but you have to consider your opponents view as well - and do so in an honest way.
@@farmuhqas With the difference that my statement was not thoghtless but can be shown to actually be quite logical. A religious person literally puts their life on the line when debating religion. They are invested in their position with pretty much their whole life adjusted and aligned along the idea that there is a specific deity or pantheon and that if this was not true, they would not only lose the meaning in their life but also they would lose the support of their peers, likely their friends and family, maybe even their income. Losing a debate in a devastating way could very well mean their end. How many irreligious people do you know who are that invested in "atheism"? Personally, I'm not. If you could field a logical argument for a god, hey, ok, so I'll believe. So far, nobody has brought one up that could be considered sensible, but I'm not adverse to keep trying. I have no stake in the game, technically, because I wouldn't lose anything if I was shown to be wrong. If anything, I could win that way. And now your argument for why you cannot expect a honest debate with an irreligious person.
@@711Zephyr If they were looking for a debate, I'm fairly sure that would be the case. The closest a debate with a religious person gets is usually what we see as "talk show" in afternoon TV.
The very fact you’ve managed to change your mind on certain topics through discussion actually puts you on a higher ground than most people. You are showing you can change your view when introduced to new ideas. Well done not many people are even capable of doing something like that
Growing up in an Islamic state, I often encountered this type of "logic" from muslim "intellectuals." While watching the debate, I could sometimes even anticipate Mohammed Hijab's next moves. What surprised me more was your amazement at his arguments rather than the arguments themselves. In another one of your videos, you pointed out certain drawbacks in Hitchens' debates, including his skillful use of humor and charm to create an impression of correctness even when he was not. In my opinion, this was actually one of his strengths. When dealing with individuals who behave like unruly children, throwing tantrums, kicking, shouting, and interrupting, you don't reason with them; you give them a timeout. Hitchens was a master at using his wit and charm to give these kinds of people a well-deserved timeout.
@@ofHerWord Lost? If anything Hijab's behavior shows that Islam is not to be taken seriously and doesn't hold up to scrutiny. I don't think that's true, but I also don't let one random clown represent an entire religion's viewpoint.
Well yes, it's the same old propaganda strategies taught in certain Islamic institutions all over the world. Refined over the centuries to convince the uneducated and to impose authority on anybody who disagrees by creating a facade that feels ridiculous to people who see through it. And, honestly, the guy is incredibly bad at it. He is so obviously acting, he is so obviously insecure about his arguments. It's all so forced, just a show. His rhetoric, his attitude, his demeanour. A terrible circus act.
I'm surprised the moderator hadn't stepped in when mohammed kept talking over you. It nice to see, if you give an inch for the sake of argument and continue your point he takes a mile and states he won ... silly man not understanding debate and good form.
He understands the debate only too well. That’s why he is so dishonest. Conducting an honest, civil debate would mean he would be totally outwitted, out-argued and made a complete fool of.
ruclips.net/video/jnf6XL7Z95w/видео.html Hijab's response to this vid, fair to say he makes some valid points? Just get a room and sort it out rather than get a video out for each reaction and so forth
I imagine arguing with people like this to be incredibly frustrating, when the other side simply isn't interested in actual conversation but just "winning" a conflict. The difference of wanting to find out the truth or understand one another to just display oneself as being correct. I am cringing so hard watching this. Hats off to you for staying calm in the debate and throughout reviewing it.
As a Muslim I’m honestly embarrassed that there are people like Mohammed Hijab defending our religion to make it look good to people when admittedly it’s not for everyone.
@@Taha-Aamamou I watched both not that you needed to, it was clear from the original debate how sleazy and pitiful Hijab was. I'm a Muslim too and Islam is about Truth. The Prophet had mortal battles with his blood and relatives for the sake of Truth!
@yolande7871 Ok just to clarify, what I meant to say is that there are things that people don't agree with in Islam. If anything, it doesn't have to be forced upon to people telling them (they're ignorant for not knowing the truth). Can't we just tell people (Lakum deenukum wa lya deen) as in you got your religion and I got mine? Instead of crapping on them?
Next debate between Alex and Hijab: Hijab takes a piece of paper and writes "GOD" on it. Hijab: Do you believe this piece of paper exist? Alex: Yes. Hijab: BREAKING NEWS. PROMINENT ATHEIST CONCEDES HE BELIEVES GOD EXISTS
You'll see a lot of comments in those channels saying things like "I'm glad I return to Islam again" or "I was so stupid when I was atheist, thankfully I reconverted to Islam", but you can't find any comment defending atheist views which is suspicious. In debate comment sections on actual neutral channels you always find comments defending both sides. Even in some non neutral channels you see comments defending both sides, like you can find comments arguing against Alex in the debates in this channel. This just makes it really evident that the comment section in those channels are manipulated
@@principlemethods5281 This video wouldn't reflect the comment section of the typical debate vid Alex posts. Normally you'll see a large amount of people who agree with Alex (which is natural since it's his channel) but you'll also see some opposing comments. This isn't the case on Hijab's vids and I don't think most people would defend that attitude (except for his toxic fanbase). But if you want to disagree with anything that Alex said in this video you can do it, at least here your comments don't get deleted for disagreement
This ranting, interjecting kind of “debate” where one participant simply talks over the other and constantly repeats himself is just frustrating and painful to watch. It is the very obvious tactic of the obnoxious, the arrogant and the desperate. It just stonewalls any chance for an interesting conversation regardless of who you support or your personal beliefs as a viewer. The moderator did a very poor job here.
The moderator didn't do nothing as per usual as the 'fear of offense' outweighs the ability to stand up in what's right. If you challenge Hijab, he will play victim and to his supporters and say Islamphobic, you have hatred, you're racist, etc. I've had all those propositions - the religion is hate is all there, however will hide behind race and belief to justify their position by propagating more hate. Using secular values as a defense to destroy and replace with Sharia. We know the game.
@@RUclipsr-qt5rn absofuckinglutely correct! As I just warned a theist who replied to my comment on his reply... They will start a war they will not win... I'm not happy about it ending lives instead of freeing them from this forced mental slavery... but I am hopeful for the future of those who survive. Hopeful they will not pick up this book of bigotry, slavery and mental neglect and continue it... because it leads to one thing... lies begetting lies and hate spawning more hatred.
@RealGodsTruth you cant worship the real god. Impossible. Because I worship the ONE TRUE god, and you're just worshipping the wrong god. (Prove me wrong.)
@RealGodsTruth because god speaks to me. And he hasnt told me you speak to him. God told me the the original poster of this thread is correct. And you need to stop wasting your time.....what? Wait, hes speaking to me as I write. He says, I shouldn't tell you anything, because you will just deny everything anyways. And you're just gonna think that the god I'm talking to is the same as your god. And obviously you're wrong because I can never be wrong. (That's how ALL theists sound to me btw.)
Those clicks, as your voice gets quieter at 15:05 are often the noise made by manually adjusted stepped digital trim-pots ("encoders"). A volume knob. I imagine THEN, the audio was muted, and came in with another single click as the mute was removed.
"Winning a debate against a smart person is hard, but winning a debate against a stupid person is impossible" ~person who said this Edited: the word against was missing
Well it's actually came from Muslim Scholar. He said "I have never debated with a knowledgeable person, except that I won the debate, and I have never debated with an ignorant person, except that I lost." - Imam Syafie
@@alimqairumin5820 Could you stop saying "Muslim scholar" all the time? That's like saying "Western European scholar" for everything under the sun over several centuries. What kind of scholar??
As a Muslim after watching this and the opening statements I’m very embarrassed by his dishonest behavior & unjustified ego. He’s so smug; Alex is politer and way more articulate.
I just saw that video and made that same statement on the comments section. He is arrogant and aggressive and can't be taken seriously even if he has a better argument.
@@farzini9448 actually no, his video addressing this video didn't even address the whole issue. He just cherry pick and just denied that he is misquoting Alex which let's be honest, he actually did misquoted Alex. It's obvious in plain sight.
@@farzini9448 my Muslim friends watched that video too. They didn't like it or agree with it. I would recommend you to watch The Muslim Theist. He's the only channel that have better style or arguments than Mohmmad Hijab. Even as an Agnostic, I'm a huge fan of The Muslim Theist.
@@MSoundous the solution is to simply put DWs and CSs proof of dishonesty and point out that debating with someone who argues in bad faith and straight up lies is not worth your time. his rape gang can just be ignored. what are they gonna do ? post mean things ?
@@chazzanovatron David Wood showed Love and chose not to react. by doing so, he didnt give the reaction that M.Hijab wanted and it made them look like fools and an embarasement to their religion when they taunted David Wood.
As a muslim I want u to know that i like u because ur an honest man we disagree on a lot of issues but ur willing to be honest and ur not only debating to win an argument ur actually open if u got proven wrong I want to point out that the point that u made in the debate was actually good but the response was actually great and i know u can recognize that if we don't have objective morals or if we disagreed on objective morals u can't say that the morals in islam are wrong+ just to clarify that if u think islam oppressing women u should also look for all the verses where it protects them like women didn't have Rights in land ownership inheritance... And islam was the first or among the first to give women those rights now while the west has adopted a similar approch and gave them even more rights it doesn't mean they are right we can't use them as a compus for how to treat women we might be traditional but god didn't make this book for 20 years it made it for ever and gave it some perfect rules that don't have flaws like yeah give ur woman half of ur things at divorce and watch the man stop getting married but god knows so and he limited that to prevent this problem this is just a small example but the idea is as u might find in surat al kahf that everything is done for a reason bad things might happen to prevent worst things
This is shockingly rude. Laughter aside, I can't believe how manipulative this man has been. I suppose it's somewhat of a compliment - the only way he thought he could win the debate is to edit it
By the comments he does this again and again, is how he operantes and I bet he sleeps just fine it takes not guts to be at that level of dishonesty but the lack of any
Katie As a muslim, I’ve never been a fan of Hijab’s character. I’m not surprised by the dishonesty he has demonstrated here because it’s not the first time he has done this. To me he is just another human being prone to making mistakes.
@@faznaz7455 I completely agree, this is certainly a pattern of behaviour for him - not just the editing of the debate but his behaviour within the debate as well. Just for the avoidance of doubt though I want to clarify I don't think his faith is the cause of his manipulative behavior, its just his character and its honestly very disappointing.
Lool its obvious it was edited in if he was trying to hide that he would've acted like he was talking to an audience rather than talking directly to the camera.
"In minute twenty of this video ladies and gentlemen, my friend Alex here says the word 'the', now ladies and gentlemen the word 'the' is used by Muslims and theists alike. This proves metaphysically, ontologically and cosmologically ladies and gentlemen that Alex is a theist."
As a muslim, that's a very funny and accurate impression haha. But ofc I have to make my stance clear... This one sided review where he can prepare arguments to back up his arguments isnt a fair, or respectable thing to do. I think a review where he reviews his own conduct and arguments is very valid, and would be nice to see. But this is just slander, and parts are dishonest. I think he should instead accept he did poorly in the debate and evaluate why, instead of pin it all on "mohammed did this, mohammed did that, it was all rigged ! That's why I waited a year to make this video!" Though, that said, I dont approve of Mohammed's conduct during that debate.
@@TheJwaad To call whatever that thing was a debate is to make a mockery of the term. Mohammed Hijab behaved disgracefully, and making a video bringing that to our attention is not only a respectable thing to do, it is the only thing he *can* do to call attention to the dishonesty, of which you have seen proof if you’ve watched the video. If I play a game of chess against a cheater, should I “accept I did poorly in the game and evaluate why”? Of course not! I should, if I am playing in a club, report the cheater, or if playing casually, decide never to play with them again and call them out on it. I’d very much like to see which parts of this video are dishonest, because as far as I’m concerned, Alex showed enough concrete evidence to doubt Mohammed’s honesty in every section. A debate is not a game of out-wording your opponent, the goal isn’t to trick the opposition into agreeing with you.
@@thebuddercweeper plus there have been other times in which Hijab as strawmaned other people in his Videos by editing the Videos. So there is also outside evidence for his dishonesty. For example, he has a Video up where he speaks with atheists on the streets and there a few cuts to be found that convienently change the actual statements of these people.
@@thebuddercweeper I agree, it's hard to call it a debate, and that Mo behaved disgracefully. But it's a stretch too compare Mo to a cheater. Your comment implies the only thing that went on in the 2 hour original debate was Mo screaming over cosmic's every word. Though of course having seen the debate, Mo did do that a lot, but that wasn't the only thing. He responded to arguments and put forward his own (it's been a year since then so correct me if i'm wrong). So i think a more accurate analogy is you're playing a chess game, and your opponent is being noisy when you're planning your move, and distracting you, which is very crappy of them, but it's unfair to say it's the only reason you lost. (I don't think hijab won the debate though, i think the debate was just a mess) Im ofc muslim (no shock there). And in islam we have to hear both sides before we make a decision. And i won't make excuses for Mo, he can do that for himself. My issues are these: This is stuff that should be handled 1st privately, and if that doesn't work, then publically. So if this was a genuine attempt to shed light on dishonesty and underhandedness (which i agree is an important thing to do), why didn't he attempt to talk to Mo about these things 1st (privately) and instead jumped straight on making a case against him. If that wasn't the point of the video (exposing the dishonesty), and it was instead to review his own arguments (which i think is a fair thing to do, especially if you've improved or changed your stance on some arguments), then in my opinion that shouldn't be laced with mockery and derision of his "debating" partner. So basically, i like what alex says, but not how he says it. In my opinion what would have been the most grown up thing to do, would be get into contact with hijab and record a conversation about the points of "why do you censor comments", "did you purposely cut off my mic" etc, instead of speculating his reasons, and pinning those to him. But for the rest of this video, i think the points he's making in review of the debate are mostly fair, but those should be separate to his (cosmic's) claims of the underhanded business.
@@thebuddercweeper I realised i forgot to mention what was dishonest. Just briefly, cuz i think i've already typed enough of an essay in my other reply. I retract that, i think the review part of this was honest. (I can't speak on the claims of underhandedness until i hear both sides though, as said in my other comment). I do think the points cosmic makes are honest points. "Dishonest" is wrong of me to say. What i do think though, is that this format isn't a fair thing to do, a post debate one sided argument. He's saying Mo misrepresents him, and in response he's misrepresenting Mo. This is what i meant in my 1st comment, where i was saying a review would be nice, as opposed to just attacking Mo. Also why did he wait til now for this? He said that it was cuz Mo was clickbaiting and such and misrepresenting him by those, but those aren't the focus of this video, a year old debate is. EDIT: Sorry that i made this comment section an argument, the original comment was just a funny joke, but no use crying over spilt milk. ruclips.net/video/jnf6XL7Z95w/видео.html - Heres Mo's side, watch this with the intent to listen, as you did for alex, not with the intent to argue, then make a decision. In my opinion this answers to the review section of this video (this "exposing" video), but it still doesn't answer to the censorship, but i think that's a separate issue.
I guess u get it wrong. Despite the fantastic narrative, which is actually secondary, the primary function/ purpose of monotheistic religions is to establish good and evil. It leads to a though that everything was created by someone and purposed for sth. Simple as ..ck. On the other hand magic is all about the fantastic stories.
@@prostoname5338 "the primary function/ purpose of monotheistic religions is to establish good and evil" that is your interpretation of the purpose of why those religions were made. The most likely purpose of the invention of most monotheistic religions was to have political control over the people. It is easier to enforce law under one God, in contrast to enforcing law when there are multiple Gods that might even stand for different things. Not to mention that is completely irrelevant, the purpose of something does not in any way affect its veracity. Not to mention, that how do you even know what is the purpose of all monotheistic religions, and how do you know what is the purpose of magic. It is nothing but an over generalization based on a personal and completely subjective interpretation of both, in the purpose to separate both in terms of narrative when the narrative was never in question, but its veracity. Purpose is entirely irrelevant when both are equally fantastical. Unless purpose adds veracity somehow, but if that was the case then it would add veracity to all myths and legends. Which would prove God as much as it would prove Zeus, and every other single God, therefore making Monotheistic religions false because they claim to be the only one.
@@farrex0 that’s not my interpretation. It is one of the classical as well as social cohesion theory and Marx’s idea of structure. Never thought that there is an exact answer.
Fantastic video Alex - good on you to defend yourself and notify the public about deceitful acts. I also noticed how shady the comment section was on that video before watching yours. Especially when there were comments with tens of thousands of likes but not a single reply.
I live in a muslim country and it's kind of amusing to see you get baffled by muslim appologists' actions. That's what they always do. Many of them have absolutely no principle to follow, but you as their opponent do. That is how they try to win. YOU talk with references, they don't. YOU need to prove bits and pieces of what you say, they don't. YOU need to believe in freedom of speech, they don't.
@@Saidoromo2024 I've spoken to Christians and Muslims so nothing surprises me what religious People say. I sometimes watch middle Eastern history. Mesopotamia, Babylon etc. The seven heavens myth in Sumerian mythology made its way into Islam.
Don't know who's quote this is, but it does seem fitting here: "Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pidgeon. It'll just knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and strut about like it's won anyway."
Even better analogy is, arguing with an idiot is like wrestling with a pig in mud. After a while, you'll notice that you're completely covered with mud, and the wretched swine has begun to enjoy itself. 😆😆😆😜😜😜
@Mohamed Boualem I thought the other guy (don't remember his name) had some really insightfull and interresting comments. I don't know that much about islam, but that supprised me in an positive way
Haha, check out his most recent video - ruclips.net/video/QDscxwf89ZU/видео.html EDIT: It looks like the video has been set to private or it's been deleted now, but the title was "Is Atheist 'Cosmic' Racist?" and it was about three minutes of Mohammed Hijab talking about how Alex might be racist and showed a clip of one of Alex and Stephan Woodford's (a.k.a. Rationality Rules) conversations where they were discussing morality. In the clip, Alex is talking about the practice of mandating that women wear a burqa in public and he referred to it as something along the lines of "forcing women into cloth bags". Somehow, Mohammed Hijab believes that this is an indication of Alex's racism.
@@vroomvrommgrrr6950 It seems unlikely to me that he holds a sincere belief that Alex is racist. I think the video is essentially an Ad Hominem on his part to avoid responding to Alex's video honestly and unfortunately he knows that his audience will take his accusation seriously without investigating much further.
Isn’t it fair to say that many Muslims fled to England to get away from the brutal laws but now when in England are wanting them as the law of the land?
You learned a great lesson from this debate: never let an opponent choose the terrain. Always make sure it's a neutral battlefield where everyone has equal rights to footage. I almost wish you had used some sophistry by Christopher Hitchens (but I appreciate why you do not). But this is how legends are formed. Keep putting yourself in tough situations, and you will be stronger.
‘never let the opponent choose the terrain’ ’always make sure it’s a neutral battlefield’ Bro it ain’t THAT serious lol... it’s ok, that’s not the first time someone like him flusters after looking silly during a debate and proceeds to make videos tryna justify and repair his broken position later on (1 year later in his case) All that’s missing is ‘you’re a great soldier Cosmic💂♀️’
Because he prepared that shit before and can't come up with credible arguments against what Alex says now, know why? because he doesn't have the access to his old video to misquote him. lol
@@Asyrafazman11 Bro I’m a Muslim, but even I can’t deny that Hijab was petty by trying to argue against Alex by relying on things he’d said years ago on the same topic without possibly considering he’d changed his views overtime as we’ve clearly seen and that he focused more on that than Alex’s actual arguments in the debate
Also his faith is so clearly fake, he has to use bully tactics to keep off topic. He is maybe too smart for his own faith. But really I think he is just a narcissist that happens to be muslim.
@@MrStarnger1 I did watch the "debate" and MH did not behave as if he was in a debate at all. He is an ill mannered person through and through who only cares about looking like he won. I think he is a narcissist who is too stupid to understand the rules of western debate. Maybe where you're from interrupting people, talking over them, using semantics to push an agenda is what constitutes debate, but here in the world of not allah/jesus brainwashed fantasy bullshit behaviour we know the basic rules of debate. And if you read the comment section of MH's own debate video you would see several commenters suggesting that he develop some humility. Like the humility of shutting up his little asswipe mouth when it's other people's turn to respond.
Intentional, no doubt abt it. He employs tactics like this in every debate. He's like Alex Jones. Just starts interrupting whenever a valid counterpoint to his own view arises.
@@airaparilla1977 I checked. There wasn't even a hint of swearing. Although, I haven't seen him this rattled before, that I'll give you. He's usually very calm and collected and in fact, he's very calm and collected in this video compared to how people in general react.
I believe in Tlaloc he's the one true God. He or She whichever pronouns they use is the best God ever. Zues? Yahweh? Odin? All garbage compared to the almight alpowerful Tlaloc. Praise him for when he pisses it rains.
So basically it's okay to lie to yourself and debate for the sake of being right instead of debating to get to the truth, it's also okay to lie about people lying, but it's not okay to ... oh wait, I think I made my point ;)
@@medsammy1237 I find people who only mention the good parts to be doing a deceitful thing albeit not always on purpose. But the Muslim feminists out there that claim that Islam empowers women, forget to mention verses like the one shown in the video about beating women or the ones saying that a woman's word in court is worth half that of a Man. If you want to find them they are second surah of the Quran verse 2:282, Quran 4:34.
I admire your patience, it's so annoying to deal with people who just aren't willing to accept the faults in their belief system. These people have glorified themselves so much that humbling down a bit isn't an option anymore. These people are living their lives in an age that just doesn't exist. It's mortally terrifying to even have a conversation with the kind of belief system they have. Anyways, I really respect you for your work.
@@icanbepreet7825 there is no faults in our belief system it’s simply just our culture I don’t know why MH did this back than but he doesn’t do this now usually the ways the west interpret the Quran is wrong and they need proper translation or context.
@@snj7502 belief system is subjective and there can be faults in anyone's belief system. I don't know much about the west but I do understand most interpretation is a result of observation of the end product, evidently, personal bias is makes people talk in absolutes that doesn't make it right. MH did what he did, its not spiritual its psychological, even if he can appear to have changed his habits doesn't necessarily mean he isn't capable of it anymore.
@@icanbepreet7825 still I don’t find any faults in our belief system if you speak Arabic and know the language and study the Quran. it has many different meanings in each word the way you choose to interpret it might be one that makes you neglect it. you should try reading if you haven’t and if you did try reading again while trying to understand it. took me a ton of reads till I understood it
The thing that I love about this guy is that he responds to arguments and ideas in a very respectful way, he does not attack or disrespect the other side, which is very rare nowadays. Continue this way man!
@@_eLf45 which shows the footage was edited. It wasn't like he was saying is: His tie wasn't tucked, therefore he's wrong. Also please clarify how he "a joke" or how he "failed".
@@adamhassan9751 Oh c'mon. I can' convince people out of their cognitive dissonance. Hijab was constantly misrepresenting Alex's views even while Alex was trying to correct him, to no avail. You can witness a few of the most egregious instances in the above video at 18:28, 27:57, and 40:30.
@@adamhassan9751 If you know what gaslighting is, you would know that almost every time Hijab talked, it was gaslighting. Stop denying and accept what is actually happening.
What makes you think he was misunderstanding you? Open your eyes. Whatever it was, it was done deliberately by him as a ploy to win the debate. I respect his partner though. His conscience was killing him.
His eyes seem pretty open tbf.... Chances are he's being courteous. Though sometimes it is hard to tell if someone is playing stupid or actually stupid...
I was shocked about Muhammed Hijabs behaviour of missquoiting. But when I learned, that he didn't missqoute and you obviously show other parts of the qouted video I was more shocked and disappointed. You truly claimed, that the universe came out of nothing and didn't qoute someone. ruclips.net/video/7JibSTglpnU/видео.html He is saying minute 14 to 15 and you show parts of the video after the 23th minute My comment to CosmicSkeptic. The same goes for the other video quotation
@@jonfromtheuk467 becausd Alex decieved people. I don't like some attitudes of MH and i thought there is now one more. Dishonesty. But I was deceived by Alex. And other people should see it too.
This is not the first time he has done this. He's been dishonest and abusive to a lot of atheist bloggers and youtubers. From what I understand, he feeds his audience with this sort of rhetoric, hoisting some flag of moral victory.
@@Maru-hr2dg I don't have the video links handy but both Apostate prophet and David Wood in his channel has mentioned how based on a message chat they had with hijab, the latter quoted them wrongly and made spurious claims in order to claim victory in their arguments. I get the notion from all of this that he is in the habit of doing such activities.
It's why Hijab's videos have 53k comments and 85k likes vs 15k dislikes while your boy is sitting at a 8k top comment and 60k vs 11 k likes and dislikes. It's clear who people like more.
The OP does have a point. This guy is doing damage control and take any criticism whatsoever whilst propagating to "defend" his religion. What a tool and its blatantly obvious
I cannot stand watching him, I've tried he just gets under my skin, he is full of himself and arrogant!! funny thing is Muslims get offened when you dislike him to 😅😅
@@FedericaGalli89 can't agree more 😅. They should have these debates with whiteboards and someone who holds the power to make someone stop from speaking.
Mohammad's video is several years old now, and it only has a few hundred comments from several years ago. Almost like their deleting all comments, and critism. Well you know what they say. Without lies Islam dies.
Prob a bunch of no life christians spewing the same nonsense statement you just made at the end, the Christians, the masters of literal media manipulation and propaganda 😂cant make this up, they calling Muslims lyers
@Geronimo Jones I stopped at 25 minutes. I think what I've seen is enough to form an opinion about Mohammed Hijab's credibility. No need to watch the rest :p (well, maybe it's interesting but days are short).
That is what happens with people who have agenda.they are not here for honest discussion ,they are just for the gotcha moments. So you will feel annoyed as to get gotcha moments they will have misrepresent and talk over others
giving up honesty is a small price to pay for a person who doesn't understand or use that type of currency to begin with. And him giving up rationality? That would be like me giving up my wife Cindy Crawford
@@AchHadda I think it should: if you want to have a nuanced discussion, you need to be able to express your ideas clearly and to understand the other's ideas well. Admittedly, I made a snide remark, though. Spelling is not the most important aspect in this context.
This man is not in debate. He is in bully mode, not debate mode. It was evident from the begining of the process. His tone, remarks, inability to listen, or let you speak.
There are different kinds of debates. A philosophical debate intends to discover the deeper truth, a political debate intends to sway the audience and a religious debate intends to recruit followers. If you want to "win" the debate, it's important to know what your goals are. Considering his goal is to retain followers from what he views as a threatening world view it makes perfect sense for him to shout it down and ignore the logical premises that his opponents put forward in order to deliver more emotional rhetoric.
@Humza Zakir so you see no problem with editing a debate by adding elements from one of the debaters to it while trying to make them appear as if they were part of the original one (background, clothes), without asking the other debaters or letting them know, or making the readers aware of it? You have no ethical issue with that?
@@monteraid maybe you should watch it instead of talking nonsense Hijab adressed all the ' misquotations '. Cosmic skeptic is just lying. If anyone is a bully it's him
@@Jack-et4ev I watched it and I disagree with you. Did we watched the same video? That guy is disrespectful in the debate. Its like he don't try to have civil conversation and understand the actual point. He is trying to create "gotcha" moment which helps nobody. I didn't watch debate until now and it is tiring how he was talking over the Alex not trying to understand the point and address it. Nobody learned anything from that conversation because he didn't allow for conversation to go beyond that shallow level.
I have to say Alex, I like your content but it is really hard for me to watch the full video. It is so infuriating to see the blatant fraud of those people (the debaters and the host) that I might end up smashing my computer screen. How can they still have a platform. This is not even about whether religion or Islam is good or bad, this is just pure dishonesty which then removes any credit their argument could have. Keep up the good work Alex.
The reason he was so insistent on calling you a moral nihilist was probably because he can't imagine somebody changing their views on morality. When you get your entire view of morality from a single source, its nearly impossible to realize that someone can get theirs from multiple and grow over time.
Mohammed Hijab isn't a debater, he wasn't there to discuss. He was preaching. He's a preacher. He's only interested in looking like he won, and making sure his image is that of someone who is correct.
Exactly. He was there to spread Islam far and wide and to hopefully get some new converts. No wonder he couldn't bother himself with understanding the finer points of Alex's arguments. That was simply not the point for him
@Persian Assassin You mean what is wrong with being disingenuous, dishonest, not letting other people talk and not trying to *understand* what the person you're debating is actually talking about? Jee, idk
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How much of the Zakat from decent Muslims is siphoned off to feed this spawn of the sewers?
@Persian Assassin no, buddy. I'm claiming that M. Hijab is dishonest and doesn't let anyone talk, *not* every preacher ever. You're the one strawmanning me.
"Nooo, that's not what I mea-" BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID AND THAT'S MY DEFINITION OF GOD, SO YOU BELIEVE IN GOD. "We seem to have dif-" ARE YOU RETRACTING? "I sai-" ARE YOU RETRACTING? "I jus-" ARE YOU RETRACTING? "Can I-" ARE YOU RETRACTING?
@@Strugglebaddy616 You're a liar, this was a moderated debate, how the hell are you talking about disturbances when it'd get shut down quick by the moderators.
@@WeAreGhuraba I think it was poorly moderated in regards to the constant bickering and talking over one another. It's plainly obvious that Hijab talks over him as Alex is trying to explain a previous matter.
Hey Alex, I’m a Muslim and the debate was the first time I had come across you, I was so impressed with your knowledge and the way you carried yourself. I’ve since subscribed and despite you disagreeing with pretty much everything I believe in i respect you and enjoy your content. Sorry about the debate, I wish it had gone better.. I cringed when you were constantly interrupted and spoken over
@@Naifpxl So? So what? Anyone who says the shahada is our brother, no matter what ideological views one might hold on to. Besides, being Shi'ite is not a ground on which you can disregard someone's views
I am saying this as a muslim. It's no use debating Mohammed Hijab. His purpose is only to create click bait content. His behaviour is unprofessional. He comes across as arrogant. There are far better and more civil mannered muslims to debate. Best wishes.
Arsalan Khalid um, so.. you’re saying he edited his video or the debate..? He obviously (maybe not to you) edited with video in order to not make it extremely long (as he had said in the video, which you would’ve known if you had watched it). But that shouldn’t even matter; the footage of the debate is there online, he can’t edit that. He just went point by point discrediting the points that Mohammed was saying. And if your little soft heart can’t handle criticism and in return decide to call him “racist” because he doesn’t agree with his beliefs then I don’t even know what to say to you. It amazes me how stubborn and ignorant people will want to be to try to defend the little bubble they are so desperate to stay in. (And if you didn’t get that either, because apparently I can’t pressure any intelligence from you, the bubble is the limited way that you perceive the world just so that it fits the way that you view the world. Which literally has nothing to do with reality. Just because you don’t like something, it doesn’t make it untrue.. or in this case, just because he doesn’t agree with his statements doesn’t make him a racist.) P.S. sorry if that explanation is really hard to understand. If you need help maybe try asking someone who is smarter to explain it to you.
One of the earliest chess masters in history (iirc ~17th century) was a spanish bishop named Ruy Lopez. He gave advice like position the board so the sun shines in your opponent's eyes, because chess theory hadn't developed much yet. That seems to be the level of insight Mohammed brought to this debate
Rah, we already KNOW that this video is going to spark some drama from Hijab’s cancerous community 😅 Edit: Ok, this was already explained by Alex here but I can’t help but say this: THIS VERY VIDEO has received more comments under it within two hours of posting than Hijab’s post of the original debate has in over a year... Enough said.
Hey man, I am a Muslim that just wanted you to know that I am sorry for the troubles you faced in terms of comments and editing the video+not allowing you to publish the debate.. I have noticed the comments manipulation on the video myself and again I must admit that this is absolutely wrong. I didn't watch your review to the end because I think a debate ends when it does. But I watched the whole debate and listened to all of your points. The click bate thing annoyes me too. To be honest Hijab can be sometimes really arrogant but I hope you contact him personally and talk. All my respect
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I can do clickbait too, Mohammed.
Please help me by requesting my permission to upload the debate.
Timestamps:
Intro - 0:00
Improper Crediting - 2:25
Editing Footage - 5:24
Controlling Comments - 9:25
My Microphone Cutting Out - 14:35
Misquoting Me - 18:26
Misquoting Me Again - 27:53
Misuses Logical Necessity - 37:25
Misquotes Me a Third Time - 40:30
Commits Tu Quoque fallacy - 50:59
Proven Wrong By Audience Member - 58:35
Outro - 1:04:15
Alex you're very brave to debate with people who are delusional.
Bayu Istanto 👀👀👀👀👀👀 that gave me chills bro.
Alex, don't cry.
Урок на будущее.
In future, you should be careful and just stop talking when you hear that you are being cut out. Stop, look at the camera and make visual gesture to indicate that your microphone has been turned off/"has technical difficulties". They pull the same dirty trick in Russian Duma.
@Elmo And my reply to you is proof that Alex does not censor comments, unlike Hijab.
It's hard to win an argument with an intelligent person, but it's damn near impossible to win an argument against a stupid person
Part of the reason might be, according to Cipolla's basic laws of human stupidity, because stupid people are mindless of the gains for themselves or others and as such act in a way where everyone loses.
@@sangwaraumo your right, because when we say win, we mean an agreeable conclusion by both side of the argumentation.
Looool alex has admitted now that the argument mohamed hijab was using is a good argument for the existence of god. He is coming closer to islam
@@ILoveLuhaidan Did u watch the whole video? I assume not.
@@pacco1737 Actually I did watch it in full a year ago but I am not talking about this. I am talking about his interview on “ capturing christianity” where he said “ The contingency argument ( argument mohamed was using) is a strong one along with certain ontological arguments” just go to hijabs channel and see the clip.
Alex, you are claiming that Mohammed Hijab has been exposed. That is an active claim. Tell me how it is possible metaphysically, cosmologicaly , ontologicaly , from first principles. Give me the answers please.
He’s talking about making a claim during the debate and if you watch the video you will see that it’s possible without having to go through that other bullshit, because he just straight up exposed that guy right there on camera with the receipts to back it up.
😂😂👏🏻👏🏻
Nononono YOU said this. I understand that there is context, but YOU said it. Are you retracting that now?
@@bradwilliams6550 r/woooosh
@sombrero4321 r/gofuckyourself
“I’ve never been more outraged in my life” -Alex in an ever calm voice
@@ttta-s3r what's in the film?
Watch this to get gaslit almost as bad as the guy from the debate was gaslighting Alex. It's a total joke, doesn't even finish making a single point.
@@harvus796 youcef wasn't even smart enough to bait me into watching it lol
@@ttta-s3r you messed up your chance.. I don't give traffic to trash channels
James Camper I’m a muslim and I have to agree on Alex on this debate, just this particular debate. I think Hijap completely misunderstood Alex’s statement.
In any debate it’s always important to understand the other person and listen. Hijab, I do admire him for his knowledge but when it comes to debates he is already fixed in what he believes in. I think he should have listened to Alex a lot more.
I’m a muslim, I don’t agree with everything Hijab has said in the Oxford debate. I’ve seen much better debates from muslims who actually listens to their opponents.
Currently the numbers on Hijab's "version" are - 3,265,042 views and 589 Comments. The views go up, the comments go down.
Lol
3 months later, 3 fewer comments
also hasn't had a new comment in 3 years lmfao
Update for 16th June 2024, there's now 4 less comments after 5 years of this debate
Are we all being re-recommended this video, because as I began going through comments, I saw recent comments and was laughing. Loving all the recent engagements with Alex, and seeing him show up in more places.
Test test... Oh hey look! Alex's comments aren't censored.
Holy Cosmic Koolaid!
What do you mean he is censoring comments? Oh so you mean he isn't censoring comments. OK so you retracted it then. You retract that statement. Got it.
@@Woodzta Hijab has censored many of mine (and not for swearing or being insulting. I'm a good boy)
In you title sequence is the red liquid wine or Koolaid?
I'm reporting you 😂😂
This is quite a beautiful example of the analogy of playing chess with a pigeon.
It is depressing how many times I have heard this analogy when used to describe a theist debating an atheist. It is like theists feel the need to lie instead of just admitting they have something wrong.
The pigeon always wins
Not theists but Muslims...
@tubetardism 20/20 dude I ment not all thiests bro , just muslims .
@tubetardism 20/20 dude!! Are you too stupid to know how umbrella terms work, or are you messin with me?
"If you cant convince them, confuse them" Hijab took that literary, and to next level.
Lol guys, urs is all hate. U cant just accept the reality. Keep being morale atheist, very logical persons 🤣🤣 why instead of blaming each other like this dont we live together with all our con ceptions and misconceptions, than after death we are all gonna aree what is right and what is wrong. I mean, u artheis guys are so funny. Il make an example of you... so, there a banana on the table in a house in Iceland ok? What attestato do is refuse to accept the fact that the banana is actually there just because u dont see it;the fact is that u rejecting this fact or not makes not difference, because the banana always has been there and it is still. This same example we can use it to describe you atheist guys... u just dont like the fact that there is a creator and that he is gonna a judge you in the end of time, thats all, so u guys try in every way to put shit on people who believe in this so that ur toughts make sense for 1 time. U guys know it, in the deepest part of ur brain, that Islam is the truth, and no one ia gonna escape the power of God. Not randomly He said that if ALL ( humans and jinns) were to Pray for him, he's not gonna get bigger in any shape or form. At the same time, if ALL (humans and jinn) were to sin day after day non-stop,his kingdom will always remain the same. The pointer is that he doesnt even need you, even ur prayer, even your good deeds. U gotta care about him indeed, because u are just a useless human being, u are gonna a die 1 day and most important u dont even know what is going to happening to your Body and Soul, but you guys can well refuse the existance of a Creatore XD cringe no? So he doesnt need you and ur atheist mentality. The ones who are gonna pay for disbelievening are you, so if u are happy with this material life and ur evil doeings, well, than enjoy until u can, cuz time is short, im sure u remeber when u were 10 years old as it was yesterday... 60 years old are coming soon, if u reach them. Death is close, keep ur eyes open, have a good one.
@@morad6690 bro your example is simply bad. for example, what evidences are there that the banana is inside the house? i mean you say it yourself, I cant see the banana inside the house. so I would need some kind of prove like a photo to make me belief that claim.
the problem is this, you guys cant give us any concrete evidence that the banana exist in that house and yet you want us to believe it simply because you guys said that the banana is inside the house.
that's just outrageous. and pls, how do you know that Islam is the correct religion. even if we atheists are wrong, based on simple probability, i can confidently bet that Islam is wrong.
That is how Satan works. Convince them or confuse them.
@@morad6690 Lol the fact that you started your reply with a peace treaty like why can't we live peacefully which made me think yeah good i should read further, and with every line the disappointment was just increasing inch by inch.
I hope you reread your reply and think what the actual heck you just wrote with a logical perspective.
and also started with peace and ended with how we are just afraid of "your" God and faking what we believe Lmao "You" people never stop making me wonder how illogical a person can be.
@@jesusislord8513 Confusion is better if convincing is just a blind faith
Mohammed Hijab said, and i quote "when the universe came into existance, it well and truly came into existence out of nothing" . Crazy that he changed his mind so quickly
He was quoting what Alex said, notice he was reading from a paper.......
no shit@@zeusoftheaegis9038
@@zeusoftheaegis9038 that's the whole point. Mohammad took Alex out of context so I was jokingly taking Mohammad out of context.
It also doesn’t even make any sense because who does he think created his god? Or did his magical powers just let him create himself
That dosent contradict İslam. The part that differed is how it came from nothing. Us Muslims beleive that the universe was created by God from absolutely nothing, and an athiest would beleive the big bang theory, meaning that it was created from nothing, but without god. Which is simply illogical
As a Muslim I feel embarrassed. I think Mr. Hijab doesn't have enough intelligence to understand you and enough humbleness to admit it.
He has the intelligence, he is just dishonest prideful scum
I don't think he's stupid (just not as intelligent as he believes). His main problems are being manipulative, disrespectful and arrogant.
ur definitely not a muslim 🤣🤣🤣
@@ibrahimfaruq6630 What makes you say that?
@@ibrahimfaruq6630 So, if I'm a Muslim I'm supposed to be blind to the clear mistakes another so called 'Muslim' makes? And it does what, strengthen Islam?? God help you brother.
This debate is one of the most infuriating videos ive ever seen. People like this have to be called out and publicly ridiculed. This is just bad
I'm a free speech absolutist but momo hijab makes me pause... sometimes I think there might be someone so stupid they do more harm to society than themselves. But then I remember that society needs to know these people exist and just how stupid people can be.
@@hutchisonmichael1
"Just think how stupid the average person is. Then think how the other half is even stupider" - George Carlin - (that may not be the exact quote, but that is the essence)
@@TheVeritableQuandary the other half usualy has rainbow flags on profile
Sometimes when he’s interrupting you he isn’t even saying words, he’s just making noises to be disruptive, that’s honestly ridiculous
3 years later, was there ever an apology from Hijab?
Hes still actively deleting comments. Utterly disrespectful in my opinion
Of course not!
Lol he's a Muslim. Do you ever see them appologize?
This clown will never apologize
You’ll never get an apology from him. He oozes arrogance and seems incapable of humility. My judge of character on these debates is who’s transparent and who is dishonest. It’s obvious in this case
a philosopher once said: hold on hold on, hold on hold on, hold on hold on.
This made me laugh and not in a condescending kind of response. I legit though this funny.
LOL.
And followed with: “Wait a minute! Wait a minute my friends.” 🙌🏽
LOL
And we love that philosopher.
Never in my whole life have I seen such an undignified, outrageous, unprofessional and pathetic behavior where you would really expect it. I admire your patient and calm assertiveness. Loving your content and mind!
I was shocked about Muhammed Hijabs behaviour of missquoiting. But when I learned, that he didn't missqoute and you obviously show other parts of the qouted video I was more shocked and disappointed. You truly claimed, that the universe came out of nothing and didn't qoute someone. ruclips.net/video/7JibSTglpnU/видео.html
He is saying minute 14 to 15 and you show parts of the video after the 23th minute
My comment to CosmicSkeptic.
The same goes for the other video quotation
@@yusufk1 you must like posting this everywhere
@@yusufk1 Stop it. Alex addressed exactly that quote. It was taken out of context.
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@Rhonda T. right..
holy fck. its been 3 more years and there are LESS than 661 comments. Currently just 586 on that video. SMH!
Yep
180 ish now hahahahaa
@@Nasir_3. we were talking about Mohammed Hijab's video where he keep deleting comments that don't go his way and it's just very ironic since the comment count keeps on going down
the dumbest comment section i've ever seen. muslim men like hijab are the true fragile masculinity
still higher likes/dislikes ratio than your soyboy here.
This is infuriating. It's disingenuous and intellectually bankrupt and it's deceptive. No matter who wins or loses the debate, one should at least have the decency and courtesy to show it unadulterated so as to allow the viewers to come to their own conclusion. What makes it worse, is to misrepresent one's interlocutor by editing and totally strawmanning them; following up by posting a clickbait title. It's hard to respect someone who behaves in this way and then pretends that the victim of one's deception is being defensive or conceited.
@chocobonita I get that, and I agree, but in the context of basic decency with your interlocutor, it's still shockingly bad. I'm sure there are many Islamic apologists that are more consistent than this guy. You can see the antagonism in his body language as he's debating
@@akilbryan8937 let his body language aside, he annihilated the atheists. Nothing producing something? Please
@@BlackStarXx11xX Alex and most atheists never make that claim. That's why he calls himself agnostic, because he doesn't claim to know how the universe came to be, unlike religious people who claim to know because a book told them so and then refute every evidence contradicting it. Alex even said during the debate that he doesn't claim that but if that's what you got from it then no wonder you support Hijab; zero comprehension on your part.
Alex is taking advantage of his sheep follower
most of Alex viewer is very dumb sheep they clearly didn't watch the full video
the editing part is just the part where he recite the Quran in Arabic he already explained in his video
Alex can only claim that Hijab edit the video but he can never claim that Hijab twist the debate ,there are alot of audience muslims and non muslims during the debate
silly Alex and his blind sheep viewer
if he edited the video ,why would Muhammad Hijab included the part where he messed up? ?
where he literally got proven wrong by audience member
and the part where Alex microphone got cut out? why would he include that ?
why would include the part where he cut the mic when Alex quoting the verse in the quran that can be check and read by people online? even if the mic got cut out all the speaker member and the audience can hear him clearly
Alex irrationally claimed that the video has been edited and implying that Hijab twisted the debate i simply proved that his claimed is irrational
now you and Alex just giving pathetic lame excuses
Alex got crushed he need to move on instead of making pathetic excuses
nothing dishonest about the Quran recitation part like what Alex and his viewer try to imply in this video when he pointed it out
it is just excuses for Alex to satisfy his dumb supporter
it is what the Dumb Sheep who not watch the full video like to focus
@@BlackStarXx11xX just because atheists can't quite explain the origins of the universe, it doesn't fall that only explanation can be a creative intelligence. What you've just committed there is a 'Black and White' fallacy. This is not a binary discussion. Even if it were true that there were some kind of creative intelligence, how do you get from that to the concept of Jinns and Angels and the Heaven and Hell system; with an all powerful creator that governs every system? Secondly, the something from nothing argument is especially weak and is a misunderstanding of current physics. If you look at Lawrence Krauss' work, he makes it very clear what the so-called 'nothing' is using Quantum Mechanics. I find it hypocritical that theists often expect their interlocutors to have read up on everything about their respective religions before passing comment, yet make out of context, misinformed generalisations about beliefs diametrically opposed to theirs. It's a level of intellectual inconsistency and dishonesty that needs to stop
I am a muslim believer myself and I studied and taught Islam for over 15 years in mosques and unis. I’ve watched the debate fully and I must say that I found M Hijab’s behaviour and debate ethical conduct don’t meet the minimum standards of professionalism and is utterly disrespectful. I’m sorry Alex that you’d to deal with that sort of behaviour, but well done for debating with integrity.
i agree fully, i'm a muslim too
I am a Muslim and I wear this Mohammed Hijab Very nice debate course And he wins And I don't know how you can feel bad about him I don't know how you claim to be Muslim Say good things to those who speak ill of your Allah to His Prophet And you call him bad who brings the message of Islam to the world Where do you get these thoughts from? 😅
@@MunnaHossain-cw7mu because Allah said in quran that we should be faithful and honest when debating people (وجادلهم باللتي هي احسن).
I’m against hijab because his bad behaviour shows that his argument is weak , i wouldn’t have any problem with that if he wasn’t representing islam to non muslims.. if he shows weakness than that mean islam is weak, do you understand?
An islam representative shouldn’t need to use devious ways and cutting people while speaking and the other stuff hijab does.
O’Connor lost. He has to just admit it and move on. He can’t stay stuck on this failure and the fact that Hijab kicked his ass.
@@ofHerWord thats the thing, Anyone who studied this subject muslim or non muslim knows that Hijab panicked and started putting a show that only people with little knowledge believe, its an act not for the athiest or the non muslims there, its an act for his fans, and not all of them even, just the ignorant ones who don’t comprehend 5% of the topic, they just there just to clap when hijab tells them "افحمته"
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience”. (Mark Twain)
This quote is used on both sides. Ive seen both religious and non religious people say this
@@sososoawesome1 Agreed. But in this particular case it relates to the religious person
@@paulwellings-longmore1012 my point being, its quite ironic. Dont get me wrong, im on cosmicskeptics side.
Is experience invalid? So, when men tell you about their experience, it is not true?
I don't defend these men who tells their experience. I am just asking.
@@ctt59You're seriously misunderstanding the quote. The quote isn't juxtaposing experience and intellect.
Hijab is one of the most disingenuous people to ever open their mouths. I wonder if he believes his lies or knows he's telling them when he speaks...You cannot have a debate with this man, he purposely drives the conversation into an argument.
The problem is, as the internet is showing us: It doesn't matter how obvious these people are. If someone wants to believe, they will overlook ANY knowledge that doesn't suit the belief. This is how open Iiars and pseudo-intellectuals come to have influence.
Oh he knows
Do you really think he knows? I think he is a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger Curve
@@mbg4041 Yes, it's a weird, tricky area.
I have explained things to some FEs using verifiable evidence and shown them they cannot refute anything. Rigorously.
They KNOW that, and yet you see them a day later making the same claim as if they never discussed it before. They have GOT to know that is a lie. Yet something allows them to make the claim.
It's like FE is a training system for people to "think" it's OK to Iie if they are protecting a belief.
He is the type who isn't religious because he wants to be better as a person. He see's it as a way of exerting power over others. If it were the former, he wouldn't actively lie as much as he does.
This video is a few hours old and there is already twice as many comments than on Hijabs video -_-
Yet only like 27k views... uh...
There are hidden agendas that media is doing to frame Islam as a peaceful religion and it’s a clear propaganda under the name of acceptance and Islamophobia...if the world continues like this it will be the end of it because of Wahhabism. We must do something. We must inform people with the truth. We must spread our message. As Arabic is my mother tongue and I actually read the Quraan in its original language (unlike many peoplr who call themselves lefies) I assure you it’s the end of the world after 200 years.
Support liberal Muslims who want to change Islam from within and raise more secular values. They are being attacked everyday and they are literally risking their lives for their message. Support Muslim reformers (who encourage the traditional value of Islam but not its teachings of killing non-Muslims, oppressing women, etc. and who generally have moderate or atheistic values like most non practicing Christians today who like only the traditional aspect of Christianity)
As a person living in an Muslim country I assure you the end is near...
@@kevinOneil6742 Someone does, or otherwise he wouldn't be consistently be getting more upvotes than downvotes nor can he convert anyone to Islam
@@kevinOneil6742 What do you mean?
j d Actually, No
Of course following the hatful, oppressive, sexist, anti-science and learning teachings of him is true that now in Islamic countries they are still debating the feasibility of western science (they still think some mental illnesses are evil spirit and they kill the mentally ill)
Christianity also has its evil past; it’s only because of reformation and the west’s more secular beliefs nowadays.
Secularism is the answer; humanitarianism is the answer.
I watched the debate first and saw almost everything he brought up in this video. I went to the comment section there to see the outrage, not a single person there had anything to say about it!
Then I found this video and felt restored to sanity.
Alex, we appreciate everything you do!
I had the same happen to me.
Same
ruclips.net/video/jnf6XL7Z95w/видео.html
He responded right here buddy
What did you expect? Most were muslims so of course they would keep hijab side.
same thing happened to me !!
I have debated Hijab before... He is the poster child for dirty debating. You have to be in a debate with him to properly understand the levels of misrepresentation, sophistry & out right lies that he engages in.
Thanks for sharing. It was so hard to watch because I could see some of that but I couldn’t imagine being on the receiving end of that.
I’ve seen your content before. Your interactions in speakers corner are actually hilarious 😂
Big fan.
Heyyyyyyyyyyy 😃 Sa Ra. What you doing round these here parts?! 😎
Ertugrul Bey IYI
I’ve done that already... I’m good. I don’t debate such disingenuous people. It’s too frustrating attempting to catch them in every single sophistry type scheme, every lie & every piece of misdirection.
It doesn’t become about the topic, it then becomes about semantics.
hijab is a verbal bully with zero listening skills and zero wish to understand anyone. he just wants to bully others into his beliefs by whatever dirty means needed (twisting your words, putting words in your mouth, endlessly interrupting to not allow anyone to understand you, attacking you, shaming you etc.). you have my deepest admiration to be willing to persist in a debate with such an appaling bully, as someone needs to do it for all of our sake... but it is so painful to even watch, i cannot even imagine what it must feel like to actually be personally subjected to such continued mistreatment .... thank you for your heroic representation.
Very well described, a bully using all available intimidation and manipulation techniques possible ...
Well, in fact he represents islam quite perfectly 😂
@@jeangatti9384he's disgusting
Which is how most apologists (and many politicians) work. They know arguments from the opposition and they and their team work out a counter strategy and test them with test audiences. They keep those that gives them the best reaction. Then they "listen" during a debate for keywords and regurgitate their prepared soundbites, even if they're out of context of what was actually being said. That is because their answers usually contain a strawman or two that is then dismantled. Apologists (and many politicians) are the most dishonest people you can ever meet.
@@jeangatti9384a loser always have a excuse
Wow. This is so disgustingly insulting to each and every principle of honest discourse.
You expect a honest discourse when going into a "debate" with a religious person? Think again.
0x777 well I would expect them - by which I mean demand, not necessarily trust them to - to at least have the basic decency of not doing any of the things Mohammed Hijab is guilty of doing in this prime example of disingenuousness.
I don’t get why you would even engage in a discussion if you’re not open to learn something new. Same goes for a debate. You can make your point but you have to consider your opponents view as well - and do so in an honest way.
@@farmuhqas With the difference that my statement was not thoghtless but can be shown to actually be quite logical.
A religious person literally puts their life on the line when debating religion. They are invested in their position with pretty much their whole life adjusted and aligned along the idea that there is a specific deity or pantheon and that if this was not true, they would not only lose the meaning in their life but also they would lose the support of their peers, likely their friends and family, maybe even their income. Losing a debate in a devastating way could very well mean their end.
How many irreligious people do you know who are that invested in "atheism"? Personally, I'm not. If you could field a logical argument for a god, hey, ok, so I'll believe. So far, nobody has brought one up that could be considered sensible, but I'm not adverse to keep trying. I have no stake in the game, technically, because I wouldn't lose anything if I was shown to be wrong. If anything, I could win that way.
And now your argument for why you cannot expect a honest debate with an irreligious person.
@@711Zephyr If they were looking for a debate, I'm fairly sure that would be the case. The closest a debate with a religious person gets is usually what we see as "talk show" in afternoon TV.
@@0x777 he has nothing to lose by being dishonest. A Muslim has to answer to his Lord on judgement day if he is dishonest. Nice and simple
To all the anti alex commenters, dont worry, no ones going to delete your comments.
Lmao
@@inexorable100 I can't see those comments. Mind highlighting them for me?
It’s ok all yah have to do is scroll😂
Riaz Uddin just scroll down bro. Maybe look at some replies to other comments. They are in there.
Mohammed hijabs comment got deleted? Go check his response you will see he left a comment i cant find his comment. Can you?
The very fact you’ve managed to change your mind on certain topics through discussion actually puts you on a higher ground than most people. You are showing you can change your view when introduced to new ideas. Well done not many people are even capable of doing something like that
ruclips.net/video/sU-GZeai6As/видео.html dude exposes muslims and they get angry hahahah
Growing up in an Islamic state, I often encountered this type of "logic" from muslim "intellectuals." While watching the debate, I could sometimes even anticipate Mohammed Hijab's next moves. What surprised me more was your amazement at his arguments rather than the arguments themselves. In another one of your videos, you pointed out certain drawbacks in Hitchens' debates, including his skillful use of humor and charm to create an impression of correctness even when he was not. In my opinion, this was actually one of his strengths. When dealing with individuals who behave like unruly children, throwing tantrums, kicking, shouting, and interrupting, you don't reason with them; you give them a timeout. Hitchens was a master at using his wit and charm to give these kinds of people a well-deserved timeout.
you can tell oconnor FEARS islama and hijab...... this is why h lost
@@ofHerWord Lost? If anything Hijab's behavior shows that Islam is not to be taken seriously and doesn't hold up to scrutiny. I don't think that's true, but I also don't let one random clown represent an entire religion's viewpoint.
@@ofHerWordnah
He didnt lose@@ofHerWord
Well yes, it's the same old propaganda strategies taught in certain Islamic institutions all over the world. Refined over the centuries to convince the uneducated and to impose authority on anybody who disagrees by creating a facade that feels ridiculous to people who see through it. And, honestly, the guy is incredibly bad at it. He is so obviously acting, he is so obviously insecure about his arguments. It's all so forced, just a show. His rhetoric, his attitude, his demeanour. A terrible circus act.
I'm surprised the moderator hadn't stepped in when mohammed kept talking over you. It nice to see, if you give an inch for the sake of argument and continue your point he takes a mile and states he won ... silly man not understanding debate and good form.
He understands the debate only too well. That’s why he is so dishonest. Conducting an honest, civil debate would mean he would be totally outwitted, out-argued and made a complete fool of.
I think he knows that he was outmatched which is why he went below the belt and stayed there.
Very true. You cannot be a bit charitable to such bullies. The visible discomfort on the person sitting beside him clearly proves that.
Good dhimi
ruclips.net/video/jnf6XL7Z95w/видео.html Hijab's response to this vid, fair to say he makes some valid points? Just get a room and sort it out rather than get a video out for each reaction and so forth
I imagine arguing with people like this to be incredibly frustrating, when the other side simply isn't interested in actual conversation but just "winning" a conflict. The difference of wanting to find out the truth or understand one another to just display oneself as being correct. I am cringing so hard watching this. Hats off to you for staying calm in the debate and throughout reviewing it.
He is an expert. In that he did it to David wood
A couple months ago I watched a video of his where he street “debates” with atheists.
He strawmans their point then chants that he “won.”
Shameful
Classic pigeonchess.
Cause he won it's like you won and can't celebrate
As a Muslim I’m honestly embarrassed that there are people like Mohammed Hijab defending our religion to make it look good to people when admittedly it’s not for everyone.
go watch mohammed hijab response to this video and stop with this mindset of bieleving anything the white men said u make me cringe
@@Taha-Aamamou I watched both not that you needed to, it was clear from the original debate how sleazy and pitiful Hijab was. I'm a Muslim too and Islam is about Truth. The Prophet had mortal battles with his blood and relatives for the sake of Truth!
@@Taha-Aamamoustop listening to what the brown man says you make me cringe more
Just to clarify, are you saying that Islam isn't perfect as a religion or did you mean something else by your earliest comment?
@yolande7871 Ok just to clarify, what I meant to say is that there are things that people don't agree with in Islam. If anything, it doesn't have to be forced upon to people telling them (they're ignorant for not knowing the truth). Can't we just tell people (Lakum deenukum wa lya deen) as in you got your religion and I got mine? Instead of crapping on them?
Next debate between Alex and Hijab:
Hijab takes a piece of paper and writes "GOD" on it.
Hijab: Do you believe this piece of paper exist?
Alex: Yes.
Hijab: BREAKING NEWS. PROMINENT ATHEIST CONCEDES HE BELIEVES GOD EXISTS
😂😂😂😂
Tbh I wouldn’t be that surprised if that happened.
Hahaha
😂😂😂
Lmao people like you believe whatever they are told. I feel sorry for you guys as you have no brains yourself. Tch tch
You'll see a lot of comments in those channels saying things like "I'm glad I return to Islam again" or "I was so stupid when I was atheist, thankfully I reconverted to Islam", but you can't find any comment defending atheist views which is suspicious. In debate comment sections on actual neutral channels you always find comments defending both sides. Even in some non neutral channels you see comments defending both sides, like you can find comments arguing against Alex in the debates in this channel. This just makes it really evident that the comment section in those channels are manipulated
Yeah right, thats what i was thinking too. Especially on a rather controversial topic like this, there are at least some people defending both sides.
This comment section is not two sided either...
@@principlemethods5281 This video wouldn't reflect the comment section of the typical debate vid Alex posts. Normally you'll see a large amount of people who agree with Alex (which is natural since it's his channel) but you'll also see some opposing comments. This isn't the case on Hijab's vids and I don't think most people would defend that attitude (except for his toxic fanbase). But if you want to disagree with anything that Alex said in this video you can do it, at least here your comments don't get deleted for disagreement
they never were logical to begin with thats why or else its not easy to return to religion other than emotional reasons indoctrination
It's called religious echo chamber. Nr 1 enemy of religion is thinking individuals.
This ranting, interjecting kind of “debate” where one participant simply talks over the other and constantly repeats himself is just frustrating and painful to watch. It is the very obvious tactic of the obnoxious, the arrogant and the desperate. It just stonewalls any chance for an interesting conversation regardless of who you support or your personal beliefs as a viewer. The moderator did a very poor job here.
The moderator didn't do nothing as per usual as the 'fear of offense' outweighs the ability to stand up in what's right. If you challenge Hijab, he will play victim and to his supporters and say Islamphobic, you have hatred, you're racist, etc. I've had all those propositions - the religion is hate is all there, however will hide behind race and belief to justify their position by propagating more hate. Using secular values as a defense to destroy and replace with Sharia. We know the game.
@@RUclipsr-qt5rn absofuckinglutely correct!
As I just warned a theist who replied to my comment on his reply...
They will start a war they will not win... I'm not happy about it ending lives instead of freeing them from this forced mental slavery... but I am hopeful for the future of those who survive. Hopeful they will not pick up this book of bigotry, slavery and mental neglect and continue it... because it leads to one thing... lies begetting lies and hate spawning more hatred.
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Checkout this guy
@RealGodsTruth you cant worship the real god. Impossible. Because I worship the ONE TRUE god, and you're just worshipping the wrong god. (Prove me wrong.)
@RealGodsTruth because god speaks to me. And he hasnt told me you speak to him. God told me the the original poster of this thread is correct. And you need to stop wasting your time.....what? Wait, hes speaking to me as I write. He says, I shouldn't tell you anything, because you will just deny everything anyways. And you're just gonna think that the god I'm talking to is the same as your god. And obviously you're wrong because I can never be wrong. (That's how ALL theists sound to me btw.)
Those clicks, as your voice gets quieter at 15:05 are often the noise made by manually adjusted stepped digital trim-pots ("encoders").
A volume knob. I imagine THEN, the audio was muted, and came in with another single click as the mute was removed.
Oooooooh yeah those are from sampling! Those slime bags
"Winning a debate against a smart person is hard, but winning a debate against a stupid person is impossible"
~person who said this
Edited: the word against was missing
you're the messiah
bokachoda nischoy
Well it's actually came from Muslim Scholar. He said "I have never debated with a knowledgeable person, except that I won the debate, and I have never debated with an ignorant person, except that I lost." - Imam Syafie
The person said it is Imam Ali a holy person in shia people
@@alimqairumin5820 Could you stop saying "Muslim scholar" all the time? That's like saying "Western European scholar" for everything under the sun over several centuries. What kind of scholar??
As a Muslim after watching this and the opening statements I’m very embarrassed by his dishonest behavior & unjustified ego. He’s so smug; Alex is politer and way more articulate.
Bro that’s what I thought for like a week but Mohammed Hijab addressed this video Alex is just deceiving us
I just saw that video and made that same statement on the comments section. He is arrogant and aggressive and can't be taken seriously even if he has a better argument.
@@farzini9448 actually no, his video addressing this video didn't even address the whole issue. He just cherry pick and just denied that he is misquoting Alex which let's be honest, he actually did misquoted Alex. It's obvious in plain sight.
@@farzini9448 my Muslim friends watched that video too. They didn't like it or agree with it. I would recommend you to watch The Muslim Theist. He's the only channel that have better style or arguments than Mohmmad Hijab. Even as an Agnostic, I'm a huge fan of The Muslim Theist.
@Balkan Wolf he did address is
It was never a debate. It was a filming of click-bait content.
you'd think more atheists would refuse to debate him after seeing him use the same shitty tactics in previous debates.
@@chazzanovatron He and his fanbase ridicule you online if you don't accept debate. It is clear cyberbullying but they always get green card somehow.
@@antoniusevan3722 David wood knows how to deal with that type of behavior
@@MSoundous the solution is to simply put DWs and CSs proof of dishonesty and point out that debating with someone who argues in bad faith and straight up lies is not worth your time. his rape gang can just be ignored. what are they gonna do ? post mean things ?
@@chazzanovatron David Wood showed Love and chose not to react. by doing so, he didnt give the reaction that M.Hijab wanted and it made them look like fools and an embarasement to their religion when they taunted David Wood.
As a muslim I want u to know that i like u because ur an honest man we disagree on a lot of issues but ur willing to be honest and ur not only debating to win an argument ur actually open if u got proven wrong
I want to point out that the point that u made in the debate was actually good but the response was actually great and i know u can recognize that if we don't have objective morals or if we disagreed on objective morals u can't say that the morals in islam are wrong+ just to clarify that if u think islam oppressing women u should also look for all the verses where it protects them like women didn't have Rights in land ownership inheritance... And islam was the first or among the first to give women those rights now while the west has adopted a similar approch and gave them even more rights it doesn't mean they are right we can't use them as a compus for how to treat women we might be traditional but god didn't make this book for 20 years it made it for ever and gave it some perfect rules that don't have flaws like yeah give ur woman half of ur things at divorce and watch the man stop getting married but god knows so and he limited that to prevent this problem this is just a small example but the idea is as u might find in surat al kahf that everything is done for a reason bad things might happen to prevent worst things
truly? Bad things may happen to prevent worse things from happening. Is this a solution that a wise God would resort to?
This is shockingly rude. Laughter aside, I can't believe how manipulative this man has been. I suppose it's somewhat of a compliment - the only way he thought he could win the debate is to edit it
By the comments he does this again and again, is how he operantes and I bet he sleeps just fine it takes not guts to be at that level of dishonesty but the lack of any
@Varunraj Kumar I'm referring to Mohammed Hijab and I think Hazel is too
Katie As a muslim, I’ve never been a fan of Hijab’s character. I’m not surprised by the dishonesty he has demonstrated here because it’s not the first time he has done this. To me he is just another human being prone to making mistakes.
@@faznaz7455 I completely agree, this is certainly a pattern of behaviour for him - not just the editing of the debate but his behaviour within the debate as well. Just for the avoidance of doubt though I want to clarify I don't think his faith is the cause of his manipulative behavior, its just his character and its honestly very disappointing.
Lool its obvious it was edited in if he was trying to hide that he would've acted like he was talking to an audience rather than talking directly to the camera.
"In minute twenty of this video ladies and gentlemen, my friend Alex here says the word 'the', now ladies and gentlemen the word 'the' is used by Muslims and theists alike. This proves metaphysically, ontologically and cosmologically ladies and gentlemen that Alex is a theist."
As a muslim, that's a very funny and accurate impression haha.
But ofc I have to make my stance clear...
This one sided review where he can prepare arguments to back up his arguments isnt a fair, or respectable thing to do. I think a review where he reviews his own conduct and arguments is very valid, and would be nice to see.
But this is just slander, and parts are dishonest.
I think he should instead accept he did poorly in the debate and evaluate why, instead of pin it all on "mohammed did this, mohammed did that, it was all rigged ! That's why I waited a year to make this video!"
Though, that said, I dont approve of Mohammed's conduct during that debate.
@@TheJwaad To call whatever that thing was a debate is to make a mockery of the term. Mohammed Hijab behaved disgracefully, and making a video bringing that to our attention is not only a respectable thing to do, it is the only thing he *can* do to call attention to the dishonesty, of which you have seen proof if you’ve watched the video.
If I play a game of chess against a cheater, should I “accept I did poorly in the game and evaluate why”? Of course not! I should, if I am playing in a club, report the cheater, or if playing casually, decide never to play with them again and call them out on it.
I’d very much like to see which parts of this video are dishonest, because as far as I’m concerned, Alex showed enough concrete evidence to doubt Mohammed’s honesty in every section.
A debate is not a game of out-wording your opponent, the goal isn’t to trick the opposition into agreeing with you.
@@thebuddercweeper plus there have been other times in which Hijab as strawmaned other people in his Videos by editing the Videos. So there is also outside evidence for his dishonesty. For example, he has a Video up where he speaks with atheists on the streets and there a few cuts to be found that convienently change the actual statements of these people.
@@thebuddercweeper I agree, it's hard to call it a debate, and that Mo behaved disgracefully.
But it's a stretch too compare Mo to a cheater. Your comment implies the only thing that went on in the 2 hour original debate was Mo screaming over cosmic's every word. Though of course having seen the debate, Mo did do that a lot, but that wasn't the only thing. He responded to arguments and put forward his own (it's been a year since then so correct me if i'm wrong).
So i think a more accurate analogy is you're playing a chess game, and your opponent is being noisy when you're planning your move, and distracting you, which is very crappy of them, but it's unfair to say it's the only reason you lost. (I don't think hijab won the debate though, i think the debate was just a mess)
Im ofc muslim (no shock there). And in islam we have to hear both sides before we make a decision. And i won't make excuses for Mo, he can do that for himself.
My issues are these:
This is stuff that should be handled 1st privately, and if that doesn't work, then publically. So if this was a genuine attempt to shed light on dishonesty and underhandedness (which i agree is an important thing to do), why didn't he attempt to talk to Mo about these things 1st (privately) and instead jumped straight on making a case against him.
If that wasn't the point of the video (exposing the dishonesty), and it was instead to review his own arguments (which i think is a fair thing to do, especially if you've improved or changed your stance on some arguments), then in my opinion that shouldn't be laced with mockery and derision of his "debating" partner.
So basically, i like what alex says, but not how he says it.
In my opinion what would have been the most grown up thing to do, would be get into contact with hijab and record a conversation about the points of "why do you censor comments", "did you purposely cut off my mic" etc, instead of speculating his reasons, and pinning those to him.
But for the rest of this video, i think the points he's making in review of the debate are mostly fair, but those should be separate to his (cosmic's) claims of the underhanded business.
@@thebuddercweeper I realised i forgot to mention what was dishonest.
Just briefly, cuz i think i've already typed enough of an essay in my other reply.
I retract that, i think the review part of this was honest. (I can't speak on the claims of underhandedness until i hear both sides though, as said in my other comment).
I do think the points cosmic makes are honest points. "Dishonest" is wrong of me to say.
What i do think though, is that this format isn't a fair thing to do, a post debate one sided argument. He's saying Mo misrepresents him, and in response he's misrepresenting Mo. This is what i meant in my 1st comment, where i was saying a review would be nice, as opposed to just attacking Mo. Also why did he wait til now for this? He said that it was cuz Mo was clickbaiting and such and misrepresenting him by those, but those aren't the focus of this video, a year old debate is.
EDIT: Sorry that i made this comment section an argument, the original comment was just a funny joke, but no use crying over spilt milk.
ruclips.net/video/jnf6XL7Z95w/видео.html - Heres Mo's side, watch this with the intent to listen, as you did for alex, not with the intent to argue, then make a decision.
In my opinion this answers to the review section of this video (this "exposing" video), but it still doesn't answer to the censorship, but i think that's a separate issue.
Hearing a religious person talk about “refuting magic” is peak irony.
I guess u get it wrong. Despite the fantastic narrative, which is actually secondary, the primary function/ purpose of monotheistic religions is to establish good and evil. It leads to a though that everything was created by someone and purposed for sth. Simple as ..ck. On the other hand magic is all about the fantastic stories.
@@prostoname5338 and is good and evil not a fantastic story?
@@hasanabduqayumov no it's not fantastic just relative
@@prostoname5338 "the primary function/ purpose of monotheistic religions is to establish good and evil" that is your interpretation of the purpose of why those religions were made. The most likely purpose of the invention of most monotheistic religions was to have political control over the people. It is easier to enforce law under one God, in contrast to enforcing law when there are multiple Gods that might even stand for different things.
Not to mention that is completely irrelevant, the purpose of something does not in any way affect its veracity. Not to mention, that how do you even know what is the purpose of all monotheistic religions, and how do you know what is the purpose of magic. It is nothing but an over generalization based on a personal and completely subjective interpretation of both, in the purpose to separate both in terms of narrative when the narrative was never in question, but its veracity. Purpose is entirely irrelevant when both are equally fantastical. Unless purpose adds veracity somehow, but if that was the case then it would add veracity to all myths and legends. Which would prove God as much as it would prove Zeus, and every other single God, therefore making Monotheistic religions false because they claim to be the only one.
@@farrex0 that’s not my interpretation. It is one of the classical as well as social cohesion theory and Marx’s idea of structure. Never thought that there is an exact answer.
Fantastic video Alex - good on you to defend yourself and notify the public about deceitful acts. I also noticed how shady the comment section was on that video before watching yours. Especially when there were comments with tens of thousands of likes but not a single reply.
I live in a muslim country and it's kind of amusing to see you get baffled by muslim appologists' actions.
That's what they always do. Many of them have absolutely no principle to follow, but you as their opponent do. That is how they try to win. YOU talk with references, they don't. YOU need to prove bits and pieces of what you say, they don't. YOU need to believe in freedom of speech, they don't.
I'm assuming you're an Atheist 😝
Exactly the West act surprised stupidly
@@NoOne-ul8ni I can't talk about that. Understand my situation please.
@@Saidoromo2024 I've spoken to Christians and Muslims so nothing surprises me what religious People say. I sometimes watch middle Eastern history. Mesopotamia, Babylon etc. The seven heavens myth in Sumerian mythology made its way into Islam.
sam s i wish you safety in the country you live in friend
Don't know who's quote this is, but it does seem fitting here:
"Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pidgeon. It'll just knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and strut about like it's won anyway."
Perfect description
Even better analogy is, arguing with an idiot is like wrestling with a pig in mud. After a while, you'll notice that you're completely covered with mud, and the wretched swine has begun to enjoy itself.
😆😆😆😜😜😜
@Mohamed Boualem I thought the other guy (don't remember his name) had some really insightfull and interresting comments. I don't know that much about islam, but that supprised me in an positive way
Mohamed Boualem
Yes I to try to be open to other views on these topics. How else do we form a well researched opinion?
Couldn't say it any better..
Won't hold my breath for the apology. His antics are pretty transparent, even to his sycophantic following.
Haha, check out his most recent video - ruclips.net/video/QDscxwf89ZU/видео.html
EDIT: It looks like the video has been set to private or it's been deleted now, but the title was "Is Atheist 'Cosmic' Racist?" and it was about three minutes of Mohammed Hijab talking about how Alex might be racist and showed a clip of one of Alex and Stephan Woodford's (a.k.a. Rationality Rules) conversations where they were discussing morality. In the clip, Alex is talking about the practice of mandating that women wear a burqa in public and he referred to it as something along the lines of "forcing women into cloth bags". Somehow, Mohammed Hijab believes that this is an indication of Alex's racism.
@@jacerockman1031 Wait, is he actually serious?
@@vroomvrommgrrr6950 he is just fucking pathetic
@@vroomvrommgrrr6950 It seems unlikely to me that he holds a sincere belief that Alex is racist. I think the video is essentially an Ad Hominem on his part to avoid responding to Alex's video honestly and unfortunately he knows that his audience will take his accusation seriously without investigating much further.
@@jacerockman1031 Hahahaha the video now is private. That's frickin hilarious.
I’ve seen Hijab being dishonest and childish in other videos. And this is the best that Islam has to
offer?
He is the cream of the dawah crop.
Mohammed Hijab is nobody, you're pathetic for judging a whole religion practiced by billions for just one man... Garbage logic.
Nope he is not
Yes it's commonly known within Islam that lying to nonbelievers is allowed
Isn’t it fair to say that many Muslims fled to England to get away from the brutal laws but now when in England are wanting them as the law of the land?
You learned a great lesson from this debate: never let an opponent choose the terrain. Always make sure it's a neutral battlefield where everyone has equal rights to footage. I almost wish you had used some sophistry by Christopher Hitchens (but I appreciate why you do not). But this is how legends are formed. Keep putting yourself in tough situations, and you will be stronger.
You guys should check mohammed hijabs response.
ruclips.net/video/jnf6XL7Z95/видео.html this guy is very hypocritical i am talking about Alex
‘never let the opponent choose the terrain’
’always make sure it’s a neutral battlefield’
Bro it ain’t THAT serious lol... it’s ok, that’s not the first time someone like him flusters after looking silly during a debate and proceeds to make videos tryna justify and repair his broken position later on (1 year later in his case)
All that’s missing is ‘you’re a great soldier Cosmic💂♀️’
@@noname-gj2rp I was going to watch the whole thing, but his editing is so poor (audio level inconsistency, etc.) that I stopped after about a minute.
Lool no one stopped him from filming it.
Mohammed Hijab's debate strategy is theatrics.
He must have taken acting classes. 😅
Alex, it’s not fair to not only be that smart, but also that good looking.
I know right... The man didn't even shave how is he this hot wearing his pyjamas.
I always love the thirsty comments on Alex's videos, and agree with them ❤️
He is indeed very fucking attractive.
I'm bisexual and I can say, I'm fricking attracted to him 😂😂
also hes a great musician, i was amazed at how great his voice is. google casualex
57:07 it feels like to me: "im 20 years old" "AH CURIOUS YOU SAID YOU WERE 19 YEARS OLD LAST YEAR! DO YOU RETRACT THAT STATEMENT TOO!??!??!?!"
Lmaoooo exactly
I don't understand what he's means, can you explain to me?
@@ItsRJC123
I love how mohammed starts debating things you've said in the past rather than what you're actually arguing in the debate
I know right? That’s so petty of him
E.X.A.C.T.L.Y
Because he prepared that shit before and can't come up with credible arguments against what Alex says now, know why? because he doesn't have the access to his old video to misquote him. lol
Because Alex can and will change his stance whenever he wants even in debates he changes his “beliefs”
@@Asyrafazman11 Bro I’m a Muslim, but even I can’t deny that Hijab was petty by trying to argue against Alex by relying on things he’d said years ago on the same topic without possibly considering he’d changed his views overtime as we’ve clearly seen and that he focused more on that than Alex’s actual arguments in the debate
the fact Hijab handled it this way proves that he knows his performance wasn't enough to win honestly.
If he has no argument he must try something different, like lying and swindle 🤷🏻♂️
@@teckyify that is what he is doing already.
Also his faith is so clearly fake, he has to use bully tactics to keep off topic. He is maybe too smart for his own faith. But really I think he is just a narcissist that happens to be muslim.
here we have someone who didn't even bother watching the debate lol
@@MrStarnger1 I did watch the "debate" and MH did not behave as if he was in a debate at all. He is an ill mannered person through and through who only cares about looking like he won. I think he is a narcissist who is too stupid to understand the rules of western debate. Maybe where you're from interrupting people, talking over them, using semantics to push an agenda is what constitutes debate, but here in the world of not allah/jesus brainwashed fantasy bullshit behaviour we know the basic rules of debate. And if you read the comment section of MH's own debate video you would see several commenters suggesting that he develop some humility. Like the humility of shutting up his little asswipe mouth when it's other people's turn to respond.
Your level-headedness is an inspiration. The straw manning, red herrings, tu quoques... it was painful and you were so mature about it all.
Any memorable examples of them strawmanning Alex's arguments?
I don't think this is a matter of stupidity, I see crystal clear signs of intentional deceit and manipulation.
Intentional, no doubt abt it. He employs tactics like this in every debate. He's like Alex Jones. Just starts interrupting whenever a valid counterpoint to his own view arises.
Man, haven't seen Alex this close to cussing since atheist al.
Cussing
Timestamp please.
25:20
33:34
Actually, it's the entire video.
@@airaparilla1977 I checked. There wasn't even a hint of swearing. Although, I haven't seen him this rattled before, that I'll give you. He's usually very calm and collected and in fact, he's very calm and collected in this video compared to how people in general react.
Umang Jain Lawliet is that you
Muhammad Hijab: You said you believe in Tlaloc, the Mexican god of rain.
Alex: I never said that!
Muhammad Hikab: So, you retract it? I win.
I believe in Tlaloc he's the one true God. He or She whichever pronouns they use is the best God ever. Zues? Yahweh? Odin? All garbage compared to the almight alpowerful Tlaloc. Praise him for when he pisses it rains.
@@deelaw. The only god is Dionysus. He makes that good shit
@@deelaw. u are so wrong, the only one true legend that exist is Chuck norris ~!
Fancy of you to think he knows about Mexican gods
@@deelaw. may him piss on all our lands
Their book is SO real that they have to lie about its contents to shelter us. How humane. How humble.
Extremely real!!☺
seems that it's ok to lie for your god.
So basically it's okay to lie to yourself and debate for the sake of being right instead of debating to get to the truth, it's also okay to lie about people lying, but it's not okay to ... oh wait, I think I made my point ;)
Btw I challenge anyone to show me where exactly have they lied about the content of that book in this video or any other video, I'll wait.
@@medsammy1237 I find people who only mention the good parts to be doing a deceitful thing albeit not always on purpose. But the Muslim feminists out there that claim that Islam empowers women, forget to mention verses like the one shown in the video about beating women or the ones saying that a woman's word in court is worth half that of a Man. If you want to find them they are second surah of the Quran verse 2:282, Quran 4:34.
You came to debate, he came to preach. That's it.
Ha ha...true.
Oh this
…or he came here to argue. He seemed to be solely focused on “winning” and was willing to throw reason, truth and reality out the window.
+1
@@fantasticg73 he threw lies and fabricated evidence to prove his point =.=" even his references were misquoted or dont exist
I admire your patience, it's so annoying to deal with people who just aren't willing to accept the faults in their belief system. These people have glorified themselves so much that humbling down a bit isn't an option anymore. These people are living their lives in an age that just doesn't exist. It's mortally terrifying to even have a conversation with the kind of belief system they have. Anyways, I really respect you for your work.
It is not our problem if you have a problem with Islam for example. The problem is people with unbearable ego. That is all.
@@azmard4865 that's exactly what I said. My whole statement was about the person not Islam.
@@icanbepreet7825 there is no faults in our belief system it’s simply just our culture I don’t know why MH did this back than but he doesn’t do this now usually the ways the west interpret the Quran is wrong and they need proper translation or context.
@@snj7502 belief system is subjective and there can be faults in anyone's belief system. I don't know much about the west but I do understand most interpretation is a result of observation of the end product, evidently, personal bias is makes people talk in absolutes that doesn't make it right. MH did what he did, its not spiritual its psychological, even if he can appear to have changed his habits doesn't necessarily mean he isn't capable of it anymore.
@@icanbepreet7825 still I don’t find any faults in our belief system if you speak Arabic and know the language and study the Quran. it has many different meanings in each word the way you choose to interpret it might be one that makes you neglect it. you should try reading if you haven’t and if you did try reading again while trying to understand it. took me a ton of reads till I understood it
The thing that I love about this guy is that he responds to arguments and ideas in a very respectful way, he does not attack or disrespect the other side, which is very rare nowadays. Continue this way man!
He doesn’t attack? Really...
he lied throughout this whole video? check hijabs refute
when he failed
'heyyy, his tie is not properly tuck in " 🤣🤣🤣
he is a joke
@@_eLf45 which shows the footage was edited.
It wasn't like he was saying is: His tie wasn't tucked, therefore he's wrong.
Also please clarify how he "a joke" or how he "failed".
@@AceHamze Will do, yet I doubt Alex lied.
I'm not an atheist but I do have big respect for your debate style and listening skills. This guy is insufferable.
He's a narcissist and clearly gaslighted you in the debate
Narcissist? Gaslighting? Tell me which part
@@adamhakim4653 All of it?
@@cj4503 specify which part you cant say all of it clearly shows you dont know what your talking about
@@adamhassan9751 Oh c'mon. I can' convince people out of their cognitive dissonance. Hijab was constantly misrepresenting Alex's views even while Alex was trying to correct him, to no avail. You can witness a few of the most egregious instances in the above video at 18:28, 27:57, and 40:30.
@@adamhassan9751 If you know what gaslighting is, you would know that almost every time Hijab talked, it was gaslighting. Stop denying and accept what is actually happening.
What makes you think he was misunderstanding you? Open your eyes. Whatever it was, it was done deliberately by him as a ploy to win the debate. I respect his partner though. His conscience was killing him.
His eyes seem pretty open tbf.... Chances are he's being courteous. Though sometimes it is hard to tell if someone is playing stupid or actually stupid...
I was shocked about Muhammed Hijabs behaviour of missquoiting. But when I learned, that he didn't missqoute and you obviously show other parts of the qouted video I was more shocked and disappointed. You truly claimed, that the universe came out of nothing and didn't qoute someone. ruclips.net/video/7JibSTglpnU/видео.html
He is saying minute 14 to 15 and you show parts of the video after the 23th minute
My comment to CosmicSkeptic.
The same goes for the other video quotation
@@yusufk1 they again , more copying and pasting the same comment everywhere - are you ill or something?
@@jonfromtheuk467 becausd Alex decieved people.
I don't like some attitudes of MH and i thought there is now one more. Dishonesty. But I was deceived by Alex. And other people should see it too.
Yusuf Kutlucan debate is all About showing power to the opponent .. the way he criticise, is Something always impress me.. And David Wood is a joke..
This is not the first time he has done this. He's been dishonest and abusive to a lot of atheist bloggers and youtubers.
From what I understand, he feeds his audience with this sort of rhetoric, hoisting some flag of moral victory.
He's a clown
Please share the other instances (with links) we all want to know his truth.
@@Maru-hr2dg I don't have the video links handy but both Apostate prophet and David Wood in his channel has mentioned how based on a message chat they had with hijab, the latter quoted them wrongly and made spurious claims in order to claim victory in their arguments. I get the notion from all of this that he is in the habit of doing such activities.
@@shubhanshjain Anyone can claim anything. The other side also claims same for them. I dont believe Woods at all for same reason.
@@Maru-hr2dg correct, and I mentioned what I believe.
This video was the beginning for my transition out of islam
You make decisions based on how stupid Muhammad Hijab is? Because this debate is the last thing that would affect my beliefs
@@Jefflenious these people cant be real talking all this shit of islam where do they come from wtf
Bro well done for growing up. Please release that pedo mo lied and created this so called religion of islam.
Good job sir.
Good luck. I'm with you.
44:20 "Alex only showers when it rains" - probably Mohammed
xDDDDD
Let me explain
Alex: "If it rains, I get a free shower"
*Alex gets a shower*
Mohammed: "Alex showered, therefore it rained"
This is so embarrasing for Mohammed Hijab. Honestly can't wait for him to watch this and feel the shame.
He doesn't have any shame.
@Mark of Excellence there's only one apparently. They're suspiciously convinced about it too.
Do Muslim apologists feel shame?
Yeah, he's rolling on the floor in shame right now.
What kind of a Muslim is he? Allah doesn't like liars or misconstruers of truths.
I love how beliefs can’t withstand criticism so people lie, turn off comments, misrepresent, etc.
ruclips.net/video/_pkdBTt3O5E/видео.html
Use that same logic here ⬆
There you go. 👍✌🙏🌷
Ismail Badr it is possible that he meant it as a joke. I don’t understand the full context so I can’t really say
@@obiwankenobi2520 you spoke the truth master, lead us with your high ground.
It's why Hijab's videos have 53k comments and 85k likes vs 15k dislikes while your boy is sitting at a 8k top comment and 60k vs 11 k likes and dislikes.
It's clear who people like more.
The OP does have a point. This guy is doing damage control and take any criticism whatsoever whilst propagating to "defend" his religion. What a tool and its blatantly obvious
You are a brilliant man. Your analysis was amazing and I am terribly sorry that you got set up like that, we are all on your side. ❤
Muhammad Hijab has proven himself, a manipulative monster. Both literally and figuratively!
Nothing more, nothing less!
Lol. Your comment is a joke.
@@AR42499 no your a joke..stop smoking cheap cigarettes
@@AR42499 not an argument
@@AR42499 Your mom is a joke
I cannot stand watching him, I've tried he just gets under my skin, he is full of himself and arrogant!! funny thing is Muslims get offened when you dislike him to 😅😅
An hour long Cosmic Skeptic video? Is this Christmas?
Amēlija Čeiča Winterval for atheists.
ruclips.net/video/TljDFgjeLw4/видео.html
Subscribe if you want revenge on Muhammad Hijab he hates this channel.🎅🏻
Your patience when dealing with someone that rude and arrogant is something I aspire to have.
Same, I admire Alex's professionalism.
Yuuuuup
Bro couldn’t agree more, this is something even i’m trying to cultivate
I would have shouted at Mohammed saying to cut the bs and let me speak, probably throwing hands too. Can't stand people that interrupt me
@@FedericaGalli89 can't agree more 😅.
They should have these debates with whiteboards and someone who holds the power to make someone stop from speaking.
Mohammad's video is several years old now, and it only has a few hundred comments from several years ago.
Almost like their deleting all comments, and critism. Well you know what they say.
Without lies Islam dies.
Prob a bunch of no life christians spewing the same nonsense statement you just made at the end, the Christians, the masters of literal media manipulation and propaganda 😂cant make this up, they calling Muslims lyers
I’m 5 minutes in and I’m almost too angry to carry on
@Geronimo Jones I stopped at 25 minutes. I think what I've seen is enough to form an opinion about Mohammed Hijab's credibility. No need to watch the rest :p (well, maybe it's interesting but days are short).
Me too, it's kinda funny tho, that Mohammed guy is just pathetic
That is what happens with people who have agenda.they are not here for honest discussion ,they are just for the gotcha moments.
So you will feel annoyed as to get gotcha moments they will have misrepresent and talk over others
im on the 58th minute... it gets worse rip
this is what i'm going through right now too. going into the comments section to distract myself from the frustration
You are too kind to Hajib. He is knowingly dishonest. Even his debate partner is clearly uncomfortable with his tactics.
hijabs track record of Twitter explains it well
Muslim apologist being dishonest? not exactly something new.
The only one being dishonest is Alex and that's the prove ruclips.net/video/T8QZdowc2nY/видео.html
if you have to resort to this level of trickery to pretend to win a debate to the dumbest people in the audience, maybe consider ur wrong
Hijab is not looking for a discussion, he just wants to defend islam at any cost - including honesty and rationality.
giving up honesty is a small price to pay for a person who doesn't understand or use that type of currency to begin with. And him giving up rationality? That would be like me giving up my wife Cindy Crawford
not true
@@Truther-lb4qp if you cant even spell correctly, how can you understand Alex's arguments?
@@Terrajin444 maybe because he knows multiple languages 😉 so language level should never be the measurement of logical values
@@AchHadda I think it should: if you want to have a nuanced discussion, you need to be able to express your ideas clearly and to understand the other's ideas well. Admittedly, I made a snide remark, though. Spelling is not the most important aspect in this context.
This man is not in debate. He is in bully mode, not debate mode. It was evident from the begining of the process. His tone, remarks, inability to listen, or let you speak.
Lol
And they still have to edit it because it's so shockingly bad.
Nah, he's just actually retarded
There are different kinds of debates. A philosophical debate intends to discover the deeper truth, a political debate intends to sway the audience and a religious debate intends to recruit followers.
If you want to "win" the debate, it's important to know what your goals are. Considering his goal is to retain followers from what he views as a threatening world view it makes perfect sense for him to shout it down and ignore the logical premises that his opponents put forward in order to deliver more emotional rhetoric.
They'll lose a debate, and still say they won, therefore it seems it still counts as a win to them.
"You cannot defend Islam honestly"
They are demonstrating that fact.
There is no religion one can defend honestly.
@@kenichiotaku3693 true.
I was not intending to single out islam.
That's just a quote i was reminded of.
@Humza Zakir what is this incoherent rambling supposed to tell me?
@Humza Zakir so you see no problem with editing a debate by adding elements from one of the debaters to it while trying to make them appear as if they were part of the original one (background, clothes), without asking the other debaters or letting them know, or making the readers aware of it?
You have no ethical issue with that?
@Humza Zakir here me out for a second. I'm going to lay out a proposal that you won't be able to refute. Here we go: what if but he is though?
thank you
I watched that video and I was furious with the comments
and the microphone cut off thanks for explaining.
Mark Twain "Never get into a debate with a muckraker. They will drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience".
Hijab has a response
ruclips.net/video/jnf6XL7Z95w/видео.html
5 .J love how you keep replaying to every new comment about Hijab response as if that is delete all the hypocrisy Mohammed did to Alex.
@@monteraid maybe you should watch it instead of talking nonsense
Hijab adressed all the ' misquotations '. Cosmic skeptic is just lying. If anyone is a bully it's him
ruclips.net/video/_pkdBTt3O5E/видео.html
This is the response to this video.
@@Jack-et4ev I watched it and I disagree with you. Did we watched the same video? That guy is disrespectful in the debate. Its like he don't try to have civil conversation and understand the actual point. He is trying to create "gotcha" moment which helps nobody. I didn't watch debate until now and it is tiring how he was talking over the Alex not trying to understand the point and address it. Nobody learned anything from that conversation because he didn't allow for conversation to go beyond that shallow level.
I have to say Alex, I like your content but it is really hard for me to watch the full video. It is so infuriating to see the blatant fraud of those people (the debaters and the host) that I might end up smashing my computer screen. How can they still have a platform. This is not even about whether religion or Islam is good or bad, this is just pure dishonesty which then removes any credit their argument could have.
Keep up the good work Alex.
Momo kicked his ass in that debate!
@@ofHerWord Who is Momo?
@@birendersingh6899 the prophet. I can’t nor do I wish to learn how to spell the many variants of his name so I just say “momo”.
@@ofHerWord haha okay!! that pedo...gotcha!!!
@@birendersingh6899i think you might be completely mistaken
This is the first time i see Alex with such a surprised face. So priceless
lying is part of his religion . They can lie to protect themselves or family.,..so they lie.
The reason he was so insistent on calling you a moral nihilist was probably because he can't imagine somebody changing their views on morality. When you get your entire view of morality from a single source, its nearly impossible to realize that someone can get theirs from multiple and grow over time.
I've never ever seen someone so confidently be wrong as Hijab
Have you ever seen Trump? lol
@@SergeDuka have you ?
try ali dawah next
Haven’t seen that guy in the video ? Boy!
ruclips.net/video/jnf6XL7Z95w/видео.html
@@SergeDuka Trump atleast knows he's wrong
Mohammed Hijab isn't a debater, he wasn't there to discuss. He was preaching. He's a preacher. He's only interested in looking like he won, and making sure his image is that of someone who is correct.
Exactly. He was there to spread Islam far and wide and to hopefully get some new converts. No wonder he couldn't bother himself with understanding the finer points of Alex's arguments. That was simply not the point for him
@Persian Assassin You mean what is wrong with being disingenuous, dishonest, not letting other people talk and not trying to *understand* what the person you're debating is actually talking about?
Jee, idk
How much of the Zakat from decent Muslims is siphoned off to feed this spawn of the sewers?
@Persian Assassin no, buddy. I'm claiming that M. Hijab is dishonest and doesn't let anyone talk, *not* every preacher ever. You're the one strawmanning me.
@Persian Assassin Don't worry about it. Have a great day :)
Without lies, Islam dies.
It's just md hijab, a RUclipsr not even a scholar.. try debating rabbi schmuley, then you will be called an antisemite..
Not just Islam.
here comes the anti vax maga pro israel evangelical
religion*
Get a life
This is how he argues:
"Have you ever believed in anything?"
- "well yes, there are certain things I bel-"
"OK SO THEN YOU BELEIVE IN GOD"
"Nooo, that's not what I mea-"
BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID AND THAT'S MY DEFINITION OF GOD, SO YOU BELIEVE IN GOD.
"We seem to have dif-"
ARE YOU RETRACTING?
"I sai-"
ARE YOU RETRACTING?
"I jus-"
ARE YOU RETRACTING?
"Can I-"
ARE YOU RETRACTING?
"I knew it, I knew it, you don't know Arabic"
@@Strugglebaddy616 HOLD ON HOLD ON.
HOLD ON HOLD ON.
HOLD ON HOLD ON.
LOL but his arguments still stand tho
Azizbek Egamberdiev whose argument?
Hijab is extremely arrogant in his debate. He's now resorted to ad hominem attacks against Alex. How low can Hijab go ?!
He constantly interrupts Alex and when Alex does the same, Hijab points it out as rude.
@@Strugglebaddy616 You're a liar, this was a moderated debate, how the hell are you talking about disturbances when it'd get shut down quick by the moderators.
@@WeAreGhuraba I think it was poorly moderated in regards to the constant bickering and talking over one another.
It's plainly obvious that Hijab talks over him as Alex is trying to explain a previous matter.
Islam prohibits arrogance and proudness.
When is that starting?
Hey Alex, I’m a Muslim and the debate was the first time I had come across you, I was so impressed with your knowledge and the way you carried yourself. I’ve since subscribed and despite you disagreeing with pretty much everything I believe in i respect you and enjoy your content. Sorry about the debate, I wish it had gone better.. I cringed when you were constantly interrupted and spoken over
we can't take your comment seriously because you're Shiite
Lmao she could be sunni
@@Naifpxl So? So what? Anyone who says the shahada is our brother, no matter what ideological views one might hold on to. Besides, being Shi'ite is not a ground on which you can disregard someone's views
Takiyah😂😂🏃♂️🏃♂️🕌
You should check mohammed hijabs response
I am saying this as a muslim. It's no use debating Mohammed Hijab. His purpose is only to create click bait content.
His behaviour is unprofessional. He comes across as arrogant. There are far better and more civil mannered muslims to debate. Best wishes.
Mohammed Hijab: I am about to end this man's whole career
CosmicSkepitc: No
But mohamed ended it
Arsalan Khalid how did he - watch the video mate.
@@Carlosshadow5 Buddy he edit his vid why would i waste time to watch his fake racist vid
Arsalan Khalid um, so.. you’re saying he edited his video or the debate..? He obviously (maybe not to you) edited with video in order to not make it extremely long (as he had said in the video, which you would’ve known if you had watched it). But that shouldn’t even matter; the footage of the debate is there online, he can’t edit that. He just went point by point discrediting the points that Mohammed was saying. And if your little soft heart can’t handle criticism and in return decide to call him “racist” because he doesn’t agree with his beliefs then I don’t even know what to say to you. It amazes me how stubborn and ignorant people will want to be to try to defend the little bubble they are so desperate to stay in. (And if you didn’t get that either, because apparently I can’t pressure any intelligence from you, the bubble is the limited way that you perceive the world just so that it fits the way that you view the world. Which literally has nothing to do with reality. Just because you don’t like something, it doesn’t make it untrue.. or in this case, just because he doesn’t agree with his statements doesn’t make him a racist.)
P.S. sorry if that explanation is really hard to understand. If you need help maybe try asking someone who is smarter to explain it to you.
@@Carlosshadow5 LOL you wasted your time for no reason your little hart so up set you had to write a whole essay to explain XDD
One of the earliest chess masters in history (iirc ~17th century) was a spanish bishop named Ruy Lopez. He gave advice like position the board so the sun shines in your opponent's eyes, because chess theory hadn't developed much yet.
That seems to be the level of insight Mohammed brought to this debate
Rah, we already KNOW that this video is going to spark some drama from Hijab’s cancerous community 😅
Edit: Ok, this was already explained by Alex here but I can’t help but say this:
THIS VERY VIDEO has received more comments under it within two hours of posting than Hijab’s post of the original debate has in over a year... Enough said.
Eh, fuck those mindless trolls.
I‘m ready
Let them try.
Just think about how much effort they are putting on doing this
Keep up the good work!
Hey man, I am a Muslim that just wanted you to know that I am sorry for the troubles you faced in terms of comments and editing the video+not allowing you to publish the debate.. I have noticed the comments manipulation on the video myself and again I must admit that this is absolutely wrong. I didn't watch your review to the end because I think a debate ends when it does. But I watched the whole debate and listened to all of your points. The click bate thing annoyes me too. To be honest Hijab can be sometimes really arrogant but I hope you contact him personally and talk. All my respect
Don't apologize, you didn't do anything wrong.
The nicest comment on this page.
Without lies, islam dies.
@@DomainofKnowlegdia so you agree that the sperm of a man comes from his ribs and backbone? 🤣🤣🤣
@@DomainofKnowlegdia i will answer you once you answer my simple question Mr. Abfool. 🤭