California: "We are going all-in on electric cars!" Also California (24 hours later): "Don't plug in your electric car, because we don't have the energy supply to charge them"
Here is ID, the locals drive their huge gas guzzling polluting vehicles until they are at least 3 times as old as their drivers. Nothing green about them.
@@super8mate no, he’s right, other than a sm percentage of wind and solar generated electricity, where do you thing electricity comes from? Hoover dam ? Coal and gas burning generators . Gas is here to stay, this is just a greener trend
@@jsmariani4180 you shouldn’t of moved to Idaho if you don’t like how the locals are, I imagine you’re trying to bring your politics to their town . Nothing worse than outsiders moving to get away from their situation and trying to change it to where they came from. Or maybe it’s your second home in the Idaho mountains, yeah that’s so green of you.
I love my EV. I'm not under any misconception of where the battery and electricity comes from. I do not believe they should be mandated or banned, just a choice people can make.
The deadly, unquenchable electric car battery fire aboard the car carrier MV _Fremantle Highway_ in July 2023 should make us all think twice about proliferation of electric cars..
It wasn't the first car fire on the Freemantle, but before it was just ICE vehicles and they shut in the hold so no air could get to it and when the oxygen was exhausted, the fire went out. Lithium makes it's own oxygen. Many ships won't carry BEV now...their insurance won't let them.
People thought twice about the proliferation of gas cars when those first came out, due to toxic air pollution and the explosive liquids carried onboard, and yet here we are. Electric vehicle technology continues to improve and become safer over time, just like ICE vehicle technology did all those decades ago, and in many ways it’s already far safer than gasoline tech.
I work in the electrical utility industry and the biggest thing people don't realize is that we do not have the infrastructure to support this many electric vehicles. You can build substations all you want but if you don't have the power generation capacity to support the demand we're going to have even more brownouts and blackouts.
I’m a Illinois based electrician Most of the grid we get power from is designed to feed houses with 60amp services. Even if everyone got a 200amp service upgrade and an electric car charger, the grid Is still massively undersized.
@@acquitz2208 ICE cars do not need the same infrastructure to support them. One gas station can be refueled by one truck, which can fuel hundreds of cars in a single day, which allows those cars enough fuel to last a week. At the same time, one 220 home charged can only support one car, which will last that car maybe a couple two three days before needing a recharge. Your box cannot support more than one car, and the larger grid cannot support every home charger, so that all has to be upgraded. Then there's whole issue of people who do not have access to private parking. To charge one EV at a public level 3 charger could take an hour. Imagine the wait times, and imagine time as real-estate and the rate at which gas cars are refueled. If a gas car can be refueled in 4 minutes, then you'd need 15 times as many public chargers to turn EVs at the same rate. Otherwise, you'd have long, long waiting lines, because the chargers are too slow.
Think downstream too. Powerlines will need to be replaced with larger ones. Transformers will need to be replaced for larger ones. Service wires to the house will need to be upgraded. In my utility this represents DECADES of work.
My husband and I (Californian’s) are retired, quite old and far from rich. We could never afford the electric cars and even if we could like so many here own Teslas- I don’t want my govt. forcing us. I do believe most people are truly ignorant about climate, fossil fuels and what it takes to produce and use EVs. So glad you’re doing your best to educate. I’m 73 and I’m not stupid or ignorant about the issues that matter most.
Well you're as old as I am and I know you probably remember when videotapes were popular remember betamax the videotape betamax remember how long those were around they were just the flash in the pan and I believe the popularity for these electric vehicles will be the same, they will still be around but they won't be as popular as they are right now. Not practical
So very nice to find a factual video about EVs. My career was in electrical/ electronics, but I can't tell you how many times I was called a liar for mentioning these problems.
What never ceases to amaze me is how can anybody still believe politicians and governments are sincerely concerned about the "environment". Whatever the politicians say you should do is never for the reasons they tell you.
This is the problem with so many of the issues we face. Emotions rule the day, and clear thinking is seen as some sort of moral transgression. Facts are hate speech, and truth is subjective (MY truth is that I feel…) Unless/Until we return to sanity, this trend will only intensify.
It's not just limited to our intellect. As a species, we are generally sliding backwards, because too many have it too easy. It doesn't matter how big of a mindless, unfit, dysfunction blob you are, you are given the same rights as everyone else. This has resulted in Idiocracy in our generation.
@@AkioWasRight I've noticed. You Westerners act very weird online. So many delusions in this generation, yesterday I saw a video of a coffee maker crying because she has to work 8 hours a day. In my country you work 12 hours a day or you starve.
That's why if we the people don't do something now it's only going to get worse. I remember growing up the government used to hide it from us but now they're just sticking their thumbs on their noses and telling us "what are you going to do about it"? Sounds like a challenge accepted to me I'm sure I'm not alone.
It kills me that so many "Green Activists" will say--"Follow the Science!" but don't ever actually "Follow the Science!"...thank you Stossel for asking all the right questions!
What “ right question “ that’s the thing about neocons when they can’t speak to the issue then they always attack the opposing side presentor because its all they have
100% renewables will increase copper demand 10x and legislation has made opening new mines in any western country almost impossible and copper is just one material for which demand will skyrocket, all of which will increase pollution dramatically.
Yes, imagine needing to have an electric grid... This is actually the dumbest argument against electric cars. The electric infrastructure is already so vast. Anywhere there's an electrical outlet, there's a charging station. You're probably sitting in a room with half a dozen right now.
Copper is a bi product of mining gold. Gold will be hunted till the last drop. Gold is made from dying stars.... not like diamonds which is just compressed carbon. Silver is actually the crazy one for rarity vs need. Then we get to platinum and palladium.
Youmertz Because the current electrical grid is not enough to even supply the CURRENT EVs sold. Imagine if people actually buy them on mass. Upgrading power grids is not like playing sim city where you magically replace or add new facilities.
@@youmertz the electric grid is outdated and cannot handle the capacity of usage today. Add millions of electric cars and trucks and the electric grid crashes. Just look at what happens on very hot days in the summer when people are using air conditioning. You get blackouts because the grid can't handle it. Electric vehicles make the situation worse.
The day that all these elites ride bicycles to work and take commercial transportation instead of private jets, yachts, and limousines, is the day I will believe them.
I wouldn't base MY beliefs on what they do. What they DO is indicative of what THEY believe. And since they burn fossil fuels for their own convenience, it's clear they don't believe a word of the global warming crap they claim is real. They just say they do to exert power over you.
No one wants anything possibly unpleasant near them No one is saying put the homeless shelter in my back yard...Put the county dump next to my house...
Never heard of that expression before, but that explains a lot. And look at the coincidences... when I type it online there are several articles against it.
Im not a fan of this "Well x amount of carbon is used to build 1 electric car" argument. Okay, but that's also true for gas cars... So one will at least eventually result in less carbon, the other will not. Furthermore, as processes and automation improve the carbon used to produce a car will go down. Look at some of Tesla's factories where they are powered 100% by renewable energy. Batteries are still a problem for now. The same argument goes for electricity that is created from carbon sources. Sending electricity to the charging station is far more efficient vs shipping gas via tanker to a gas station. Not to mention how much more efficient electric motors are vs ICEs... I'm not for a bunch of gov regulations to force the market. That's never a good idea. But there's simply no point in creating a reluctance to adopt electric vehicles. It will happen regardless because they are simply better all around.
@@Caseylawton If I could be the President of the US,I would issue an Executive Order that would require that 99% of all cars made in the US or imported into the US be gasoline or diesel powered,bc there is no reason to go electric, it's all based on the man made global warming/climate change scam.
@@Caseylawton When EV's are better, they will become the norm. They are NOT right now. Rather than using government force to transition to "green" energy the market should dictate when/how/who. Anything else is irrational/immoral.
@@johnnynick6179 Depends on your use case. For local travel, they are absolutely better. I have an EV and an ICEV. The ICEV stays parked most of the time. I drive the one that really is better, and almost all the time, that is the EV. If it wasn't, I wouldn't.
This lie is designed to increase oil prices and the cost of energy uniformly so we have to rely on the government to subsidize the cost of energy which ensures it’s sustainability.
This kind of reminds me of the plastic bag problem that we have today... Back in the day, people were concerned with chopping down trees and using too many paper bags!! so one man said, hey how about we make these plastic bags, so we reduce our consumption of wood products... that didn't age well did it .. considering that top food grocers like whole foods only use paper bags haha
Here in Northern California we've gone back and forth from paper to plastic then recycled paper and now recycled plastic. "Bring your reusable bag or buy one of ours for $10". When I travel to Europe or the Caribbean, reusable bags are $1 or 1 Euro. It's quite a rip-off here in California.
History is repeating itself. Get rid of plastic to make more paper. Stop coal plants to make wood burning plants for energy. You know the climate was doing pretty good till the wood climate change was invented in 2010 before 2010 the world seemed just fine.
How Stossel-like of you to leave out the important part. Plastic bags were meant to be REUSED not disposed of. That's according to the actual guy who invented them in 1959, Sten Gustav Thulin. The petroleum industry, however, saw the new cash cow. And in Europe, they didn't use paper bags, plastic bags replaced cloth bags. Because again, like the oil industry - the timber industry was pushing something wasteful to make more money.
@@NoctilucentArts I re use my plastic bags every day when I shop. I'm not a sheep you can condition into climate change brainwashing. I have Brain and I'm a thinker.
@@ChannelNews1 The "top energy expert" you would pick is always suspect. Here's my statement, and I'm more knowledgeable than you on the topic: electricity can never be replaced.
@A walrus the rock-to-raw-mineral ratio for lithium is dead center of the same ratios for other materials. It's no better or worse than lead, gold, bauxite, copper, magnesium. The clever propaganda part of the video is that they didn't tell you how much ore is required to make an 800-lb engine block or a 300-lb transmission. See how the oil industry works?
@A M mmm yes, recently they signed a ban on gas vehicles, they wont allow sales by 2030, that sounds like far away but it just 7 years from now. they want to push electric vehicles while the grid still cant handle everyday usage. dont get what you mean by hit and run, im not a hack so yeah i reply back. ✌️
Biggest joke is yiu not realising evs will help the grid. Also not realising just how much electricity is needed to get oil out the ground in the US pumps only each month. Just that tiny little saving is enough to power 25million evs.
I recently bought an IONIQ 5 made by Hyundai. It is the best vehicle I have ever owned! However, I fully understand that it is not a zero emission vehicle. I jokingly tell people who ask me about the car that it is a “multi-fuel” vehicle. It runs on battery electricity, gas, diesel, oil, natural gas, steam, water, coal and nuclear energy!
@@jeffbonvallet9480 except it doesnt get cleaner for an EV, in some cases it even gets dirtier especially when they need to use coal again over an energy crisis.
Do you know how much C02 is produced building a EV over a similar ICE vehicle, look it up. You may also like to find out how Lithium is extracted and its many lethal properties . Ever found a local Lithium recycling centre.
I own a petrol car, and diesel car, and I lease an electric car. When I leased it, charging on the high street was much cheaper than fuelling, however now charging costs 80p per kWh (1.02 usd) , which makes my AMG mercedes cheaper to run. And don’t forget the electric cars are much more expensive to buy too…
I've been saying this for years now. It's amazing how people don't understand manufacturing and the oil needed for pretty much every aspect of it. They want to believe, so they do--regardless of the inconvenient facts.
"They want to believe, so they do" Woke-leftism really is a new sort of religion, isn't it? Me? I'll stick to Jesus. Little more truth and honesty over there.
The thing is mining trucks are already being swapped for electric ones, why? Are miner's stupid? No, it is much cheaper to operate, industry doesn't care about pollution, they care about money and electric is the future because it lasts longer and is cheaper. Now all the inconvenient truth he said are already dismissed as wrong. Electric take 100k miles to become better if after that you grab the car an dump it in the garbage and are powering it with 100% coal electricity and don't count maintenance of ice cars. if you recycle the battery that people will pay you for the ability to do sow and power it from solar the cheapest way to charge it. It breaks even after 50k miles or less.
As a child, I remember watching Stossel cover public vs private. He made things so easy to understand, even if I couldn’t comprehend everything that was being said. As an adult, I rediscovered him and it’s the exact same. Clear, direct, simple. Only I know what he’s taking about now. Except for the beard.
@@Lofi.z34 nope. The same way I dont care about co2, carbon and myriad of issues that come with oil. Throw batteries in a pool full of baby seals and the last species of whale. Idgaf, and ill do it myself just to spite people like you. Im supporting myself, and my enjoyment and convenience in life. And I dont need someone whos existence is so vapid they need to tell me im "supporting" somethinf 26 and half steps down a process to come to the conclusion that 'bad things happen and thats bad'. Id rather take a religious zealot berating me for my morality than people like you. Their ideology has more lore anyways, and is far more interesting.
Would love a series on oil. The vast majority of people don't know what oil is used for and there's misconception we are running out of it. My girlfriend's roommate was this big climate change activist in Germany. She would go to these "end fossil fuel" rallies. She gave me $hit for having a Nespresso machine and the fact they use aluminum pods. Anyways in the last 2 years, she has bought herself a new MacBook, new iphone, new iPad, a Roomba vacuum, new Doc Martens, an 800$ Jura coffee machine, an Air up bottle and a very expensive North Face winter jacket. Also she's been travelling through out Europe living her best life because her parents have money. These people need some education because their hypocrisy is vomit inducing.
Like the eco-terrorists who spray paint everything in the name of climate change even though their spray paint contains aerosol and oil among so many other non environmentally friendly ingredients, lmao.
@@nickbono8 they were forecasting for a long time in Canada that the Tar Sands would run out of crude bitumen by 2065. Just recently they found even more and now there's at least enough bitumen for another 300 years. Just imagine if they actually allowed more drilling in Canada. We would never run out of oil.
You are a legend, Mr Stossel! Millions of people who know your name pay attention to your research and fact-based research. Out here in So Calif after the tropical storm dropped a lot of rain, I think millions of future car buyers will have second thoughts and abandon the idea of electric cars. The hazardous risks of fire, toxic waste, and true danger to drivers themselves who drive the cars and who encountered and survived semi-submerged driving conditions in the cities and freeways may soon have no choice in accepting a true reality check when their vehicles begin to break down. What an environmental mess this new technology has produced. LiKind of like the past when the 747 jets were produced only there were very few runways that existed to allow those jets to land.
More ICE cars catch fire than EVs, because they are carrying a tank full of explosive gas! EV batteries are still evolving, and some newer types CANNOT catch fire, unlike gasoline and diesel. Every car makes toxic waste from its tailpipe, not to mention all the improperly disposed of engine oil and radiator and other fluids. Electric cars have fewer parts to break, and are therefore inherently more reliable than complex metal boxes containing thousands of explosions a minute. They have no gear box in their transmission because electric motors have great torque on the low end and great speed on the high end. Diesel locomotives have used electric motors for decades. The diesel engine drives a generator to supply power to four motors at the base of the engine. All we are talking about is using similar tech in cars, just removing the generator and using batteries. Batteries which may eventually out-live the cars and be usable more than once. Stossel's assessment lacks any forward thinkinig. He has chosen a spot in time that is rapidly becoming irrelevant!
@@Trashed20659 Firefighters said they can usually extinguish a fully engulfed regular car fire with about 500 gallons of water - but it took fire crews about 12,000 gallons of water to put out this Tesla after it caught fire on a Pennsylvania highway. Litersly false.
@@Trashed20659 all energy-producing machinery must be fabricated from materials extracted from the earth. No energy system, in short, is actually “renewable,” since all machines require the continual mining and processing of millions of tons of primary materials and the disposal of hardware that inevitably wears out. Compared with hydrocarbons, green machines entail, on average, a 10-fold increase in the quantities of materials extracted and processed to produce the same amount of energy. For a snapshot of what all this points to regarding the total materials footprint of the green energy path, consider the supply chain for an electric car battery. A single battery providing a useful driving range weighs about 1,000 pounds. Providing the refined minerals needed to fabricate a single EV battery requires the mining, moving, and processing of more than 500,000 pounds of materials somewhere on the planet . That’s 20 times more than the 25,000 pounds of petroleum that an internal combustion engine uses over the life of a car. Among the material realities of green energy: Building wind turbines and solar panels to generate electricity, as well as batteries to fuel electric vehicles, requires, on average, more than 10 times the quantity of materials, compared with building machines using hydrocarbons to deliver the same amount of energy to society. A single electric car contains more cobalt than 1,000 smartphone batteries; the blades on a single wind turbine have more plastic than 5 million smartphones; and a solar array that can power one data center uses more glass than 50 million phones. Replacing hydrocarbons with green machines under current plans-never mind aspirations for far greater expansion-will vastly increase the mining of various critical minerals around the world. For example, a single electric car battery weighing 1,000 pounds requires extracting and processing some 500,000 pounds of materials. Averaged over a battery’s life, each mile of driving an electric car “consumes” five pounds of earth. Using an internal combustion engine consumes about 0.2 pounds of liquids per mile. Oil, natural gas, and coal are needed to produce the concrete, steel, plastics, and purified minerals used to build green machines. The energy equivalent of 100 barrels of oil is used in the processes to fabricate a single battery that can store the equivalent of one barrel of oil. By 2050, with current plans, the quantity of worn-out solar panels-much of it nonrecyclable-will constitute double the tonnage of all today’s global plastic waste, along with over 3 million tons per year of unrecyclable plastics from worn-out wind turbine blades. By 2030, more than 10 million tons per year of batteries will become garbage. The extraction process of lithium is very resource demanding and specifically uses a lot of water in the extraction process. It is estimated that 500,000 gallons of water is used to mine one metric ton of lithium. With the world's leading country in production of lithium being Chile, the lithium mines are in rural areas with an extremely diverse ecosystem. In Chile’s Salar de Atacama, one of the driest places on earth, about 65% of the water is used to mine lithium; leaving many of the local farmers and members of the community to find water elsewhere. Along with physical implications on the environment, working conditions can violate the standards of sustainable development goals. Additionally, it is common for locals to be in conflict with the surrounding lithium mines. There have been many accounts of dead animals and ruined farms in the surrounding areas of many of these mines. In Tagong, a small town in Garzê Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture China, there are records of dead fish and large animals floating down some of the rivers near the Tibetan mines. After further investigation, researchers found that this may have been caused by leakage of evaporation pools that sit for months and sometimes even years. Lithium-ion batteries contain metals such as cobalt, nickel, and manganese, which are toxic and can contaminate water supplies and ecosystems if they leach out of landfills. Additionally, fires in landfills or battery-recycling facilities have been attributed to inappropriate disposal of lithium-ion batteries. As a result, some jurisdictions require lithium-ion batteries to be recycled. In spite of the environmental cost of improper disposal of lithium-ion batteries, the rate of recycling is still relatively low, as recycling processes remain costly and immature. More than 400 million batteries are used throughout the country, with only 5% being recycled, resulting in 8000 tonnes ending up in landfill. Creating the lithium-ion battery pack is also more environmentally harmful than the manufacturing process for an average petrol-powered car.
Here in Australia there is a RUclipsr by the name of John Cadogan and his channel is called the auto expert. He's a highly qualified mechanical engineer, an automotive journalist and from my experience watching his channel a very honest presenter. He crunched the numbers and in Australia the amount of pollution put out by cars is just 8% of the total. So we can see that even if EVs were totally carbon free, and as we just heard in this video that they're far from it, it would still not make a huge difference.
Um. Australia has a population of just 20 million and mining is Australia's biggest business so this is blatant cherry picking. Regardless nobody is buying ev's for the environment but instead because they like them since they're a better product. Also way better for the economy
@@lachlanB323 They aren't better for the economy if you can't afford one. The only economy they benefit is China's, because they supply all the batteries and chips. That supply will be turned off once China invades Taiwan.
@@golden.lights.twinkle2329 The only reason ev's aren't cheap right now is because they aren't producing enough ev's. Right now Tesla has a run rate of 1.6 million per year. And plans to and is increasing it by 50% per year hence exponential growth. As production increases the cost of making it comes down too. Battery prices have fallen 90% in 10 years. And it will fall another 50 from where it is now in a 5 years imo
@@golden.lights.twinkle2329 Also the only reason the incentives are coming is because ford and GM screwed up and didn't see the EV revolution coming and are freaking out because it's happening way quicker then they expected due to Tesla. So ford and GM lobbied and got the EV incentive. Tesla didn't want the EV incentive lol
@@lachlanB323 I’ll just keep driving my old dirty Ute/truck , run on cooking oil if required, black outs don’t affect, or creek crossing, can carry a power station in drums , 100 litres or so. 1 Volcano having a fart contributes more Emissions that a shitload of cars etc. I say make hay while the Sun shines, because tomorrow it might not matter. Big rock might fall out of the sky , Emissions from Automotive equipment won’t mean shit 🤪
It's called "NIMBYism", and it's the issue of point and nonpoint pollution sources, something beyond all the "green" crowd. These people pat themselves on the back for buying a $130,000, 5,400lb Tesla , but they haven't the slightest clue where the electricity used to charge their Tesla comes from, or what was released into the air and dumped into the ocean when all the materials used to produce it was sent around the world.
"vibes" Wow that is sad how you rationalize your arguments. Technical Reality dose not work like that. It is not subjective and opinion based. Wrong is wrong. Nothing you said was relevant or had any functionality.
It all depends on how quickly you charge and discharge it and the rapid changing temperature of where you live. In the most extreme then perhaps 5 - 7 years. Top end about 15 - 20. Batteries really hate to be totally drained and for long periods so all batteries need to hold at least an 80% charge at all times to keep them at their best performance.
@@Kit_Bear there are multiple variables to account for but what I'm interested is the average number. The every day user of an electric vehicle; how often are these batteries being replaced. What is the net outcome. This data will come with time as every "new" technology. There are extremes at each end. But at the end of each vehicles life what is that net carbon footprint. You could take it one step forward and account for the carbon used to modify our existing infrastructure to accommodate all vehicles becoming electric vs maintaining our exsisting infrastructure. I'm positive this isn't something we would benefit from for many many lifetimes.
@@darksideblues135 Trust me, the Tesla is much easier to maintain. No gas stops, no oil, lube, and filter changes. No transmission fluid. No spark plugs. No air filter changes. No leaky valves/gaskets. Etc. All those annoying "features" of a combustion engine, are eliminated with electric cars. The Tesla phone app can be easily set to charge to optimum level.
I bet most greenhouse gasses come from the mouths, and butts of the politicians forcing us to go green. I wonder how much greenhouse gas Joe Biden emits every time he farts, which is a lot.
My car is from 1986. I feel like I'm better for the environment than people who have bought 3-5 vehicles throughout the life of my one. And it's still running great!
@@tigertoo01 oil changes are not frequent, jenius. Not 3000 miles, but 50 000 miles - its 3 years... In older cars with bog worn its more frequent, but not much, it depends if you did abuse engine, or just driver it as it should. Toyota Hilux is still more reliable then any EV ever be. For 3 years, your average electric car will degrade into nothing... Stop lying,EV evangelist
@@razzor4708 I wish I was a jenius but I’m just a lowly genius. So my first ev i bought second hand and had it 7 years without any servicing required. 200,000kms. Traded it in on a new VW ID3. Extremely well built car. 1.5 years old and 50,000kms on the clock. I expect 300,000kms of trouble free driving with no servicing required. Even vw scheduled servicing is just bring it in every 2 years regardless of kms driven. Btw if you’re only changing oil in an ice every 50,000miles then you’re a weirdo liar who can’t spell.
Isn't it strange that the greenies think electricity generated for your air conditioning is evil, but the same electricity used to charge electric cars is just fine.
My Saturn gets 35 mpg on the freeway and almost 30 mpg in town. I never worry about charging it and there's a gas station on every corner. If I decide to drive across the country, I never worry about finding fuel. My insurance costs me $35 per month and if someone steals my car, I can buy a another used one for $2500. I saw a new Lucid yesterday (a beautiful electric car). I googled it: $87,000.....I can buy another THIRTY-FIVE Saturns with that! lol...lol
I've owned newer cars; I've also owned few older cars from the 80's and early 90's. The best car I ever owned was a 92 Ford Escort hatchback. I almost hit 40 MPG on a road trip to California. I think my best was just a hair over 38 MPG, and I was averaging 70-80 MPH the entire time, except a small segment where I had to drive through Portland in the mid-day on my way back. My average still never dropped below 30 MPG. It helped that the car was very light, so even though it was only around 100 HP it was able to scoot along just fine under its own power. It was also a 5-speed manual. What I'm saying is, I agree with your point. The ultimate delusional irony of this entire farcical initiative is that it involves the same crowd who screeches about how climate change is destroying poor people the hardest, but who also have this Marie Antoinette-caliber attitude... "oh, just let them eat cake". "Just have them buy an EV", they say, as though lower and mid-tier income brackets can afford an EV, and also have equitable access to charging infrastructure. For instance, If you live in an apartment complex, you're likely not going to have any charging stations available, and you're certainly not going to be able to install one in your parking space or even your unit. Most of these people will have to forego owning a vehicle in the fut--- *GASP* Oh wait, that is a design feature of this whole scheme. These climate utopians are a danger to humanity and must be stopped.
It has been proven that the best way to be sustainable is to get/use products that last as long as possible. Electric cars are not only significantly more expensive and require more resources/materials to produce and maintain, but they will never last as long as gas/diesel vehicles! So once again, it sounds like this is all just another corporate/political scam the masses are falling for!
One of the greatest freedoms we have as Americans is to be able to travel in the US wherever we want whenever we want. I could get in my car and drive from LA to Miami, stopping for gas, bathroom and rest if I need. I wouldn't have to worry about finding a working charging station or spending time charging. Electric cars severely restrict our ability to travel like that.
I drive for 150 miles max and than I need a restroom/break anyway. Always reliable Tesla superchargers give 150 miles in 10 min. But, yes, evs are not for everyone. Only for about 98% of current drivers.
My neighbor also thought his 100 thousand dollar EV was just perfect until hurricane IDA knocked the power out for 3 months with no way to charge it . The batteries went flat and were ruined and cost an extreme amount to replace ! Now he sings a different song because they weren’t covered under warranty , imagine that ! My 2 gas guzzlers got along just fine as well as my gas powered generators ! He even had the nerve to ask if he could barrow gas for his generator because he was too damn lazy to drag his butt out at 400 am to wait in the long lines to get gas like the rest of us !
This is a lie. I guarantee you 3 months of no charging wouldn't kill an EV. It MIGHT cause a bit of degradation, but never kill it. Especially if it's a stable lithium iron phosphate chemistry. Get back on your meds grandpa.
@@spacebound1969 No lie , the vehicle was 2 years old and he ran the car until it was almost fully discharged and then it sat for 2 months flat and the dealer told him that the core was damaged and needed to be replaced or low voltage would damage the car further , he told me this himself so is he lying along with his dealership ? I might be a proud grandpa who loves his wife , children and grandchildren but no lier , oh and by the way I don’t need or take meds and perfectly healthy thank you !
Just to play devils advocate, there were some people with EVs in Ukraine that were able to get around because the power grid was still up but gas stations were not being refueled. 🤷
@@williemherbert1456 There is no climate change,and certainly not an emergency. It's a scam and the same idiots who fell for the "covid" and Ukraine ones are the ones falling for the current "thing" yet again.
@@justsomeguy934 Nope just about human psychology it's on both sides of this issue. I've seen people convince that liquid fuels will be a thing of the past very soon, until you point out there are no electric jet engines.
@@justsomeguy934 What does that have to do with liquid fuels? The space shuttle had wings so that's a double wtf. I don't dislike electric cars or think them useless I just don't think it's feasable for everyone everywhere. How energy efficient is this car if you don't own a garage and live in Minnesota? The house is insulated and efficient but having to heat the battery as well as charge it when the temperature drops to 10 or 15 below zero Fahrenheit and the wind is blowing. How much electricity is needed to just keep the battery warm in case you need to use it? How much range will it have in the freezing rain heating the cabin and keeping the windshield clear of ice? How much of the battery is used while it's parked at work for 8 or 10 hours draining the battery to keep the battery warm? Used car market? The many people that can't afford new cars? I just see lots of issues that seem to be ignored by the ban internal combustion engine/ electrify everything crowd.
This and more needs to be shouted from the mountain tops. I have lived with a non grid tie solar power system for 25years. I know what batteries can and cannot do and much of what comes from the political class is completely ignorant, uninformed nonsense. There are a lot of limitations and a limited life to all types of battery packs. Keep sending out the message.
Anyone who wants to see a reduction in carbon emissions needs to travel less and buy less. Electric cars would not be the answer; bikes may well be the answer, as well as just living closer to work, recreation, and shopping. I live in a very blue state (MD), but it's impossible to do any basic function of life without getting into the car. It's dangerous to use bikes where I live; I'd really enjoy biking more places and my kids would love the chance. I don't pretend to be an advocate of carbon reduction or climate change; I drive a fair amount and we did choose our house and its many benefits. But I'm just pointing out that EV's are not an answer, and if anti-carbon politicians were serious they'd be altering the roads to make more room for safe biking and walking.
Have you tried lifepo4 batteries yet? They're much better than lithium ion and deep cycle acid batteries... Don't be looking at the world through tunnel vision or a 25 year old view...
If public transportation was ramped up with subways and light rails with plenty of convenient stops people would not need cars. NYC kind of has it but the infrastructure is getting old.
@@moabman6803 I wouldn't want to live anywhere modeled off NYC. I live in the suburbs and I don't have to drive anywhere day to day; it's completely possible to build a walkable/bikeable city without cramming everyone into a hellhole like NYC.
@@Thanatos2996 Some areas of NYC are nice, some aren't. The point is public transportation is easy to access and faster than driving your own car. Is everything NYC has great? No. But it has systems that can be utilized and developed
I have been driving a electric Ford Transit since July. I live in Pa..normal miles per charge in warm weather is 163 miles that is good for are deliveries. Now that the temperature is dropping down to low 30’s the miles per charge went down to 124 miles per charge. That’s a big difference. I can’t believe what it will be went it winter time cold.
I live in PA also, just outside Reading. Last night was the was the first night below freezing. It will be interesting to see what your truck does when you have to defrost windows and keep the heat on when it is 20 out. When you say 124 miles do you mean till the battery is completely out or is it at the 30% mark where they tell you to charge to make the battery last longer?
I said this about cold weather and also long unforeseen traffic jams, including in darkness where legally need to keep lights on and to have the heater on to keep warm. I was shouted down by EV owners and some EV supporters.... on a you tube comments section
@@anthonyspadafora1384 I lose 10-15 miles out of 45 miles on my 2015 VOLT in extreme cold. But, at least the engine is there to help with heat. Full EV makes no sense to me. PHEV is the best concept modeled after VOLTEC.
California has something called a "flex alert". This occurs on hut summer days and hot temperatures where they ask us to stop using major appliances between 3 an 9 PM. So WTF are we supposed to do when we get home from work and cannot charge the car to go out. Wait, what if I am in an apartment building with 500 apartments? Who is going to foot the bill to install all the chargers? Can you imagine what that will do to rents? I have a 60 year old house and I know it will be over $10,000 to upgrade the electrical to support a charger. Who is going to pay for that? And . . . what are we going to due with all those worn out batteries in about 10 years?
ps ev's get 4 miles per kilowatt, thats more then a dollar to take it 10 miles.... gas would make it almost 80 miles for that much..... so no they arent cost affective to anyone but the seller Its a scam....
@@HarmonRAB-hp4nkyour math doesn't add up. Where can you purchase gasoline so cheaply to drive 80 miles per dollar? I pay 7kwh/$ at home and therefore 28 miles per dollar on my plug in hybrid.
@@kng128 Yes, the math is wrong but *Scam Alert:* Energy to charge as well as the chargers to charge EV's is subsidized buy the greenies in the government. The cost is exponitialy higher that anyone realizes.
@@HarmonRAB-hp4nk Gasoline: $5 per gallon. I get 20 miles to the gallon. $1 of gas is 1/5 of the gallon. 1/5*20 = 4 miles per dollar. For the more efficient newer cars maybe 40 miles to the gallon. 1/5*40 = 8 miles to the dollar. Best if you go back to school and learn a bit of math. BTW, it is still a scam because they do not include in the calculation that the battery will need to be replaced in about 10 years and estimates are between $15k and $25k. In addition: EV chargers and charging is subsidized by the feds and some states to hide the real cost.
I'm so glad to see your channel blowing up John! You're changing the world one video at a time! Feels like 1 million subscribers are right around the corner now, keep it up!
I agree. John's career trajectory finds himself moving up and up. I remember when he was doing LibertyPen videos back in the day. It's nice to see his independent journalistic mission working out well for him.
We’re no more ready to go all electric than we are to start letting cars drive themselves. People get all caught up in the idea of these things but ideas and realities are different things.
@@marviwilson1853 That is good to see and im not against electric cars i just dont believe the current lithium battery design of power is the right way to go. there are better options out there, but currently to much money is being made from lithium.
Either the market works, or governments try to force people to do things that are against the market and bad for consumers. I remember when they planned to ban the sale of incandescent bulbs in favor of the energy efficient compact fluorescent bulbs. I'm not clear on what happened after that, but fortunately, CFLs and LED bulbs got much better over time and became economically competitive, too. But you can still buy incandescent bulbs if you want, and they're still plentiful on the shelves right next to the CFLs and LEDs.
@@dafunkmonster Actually the brightness of CFLs is pretty good now, but otherwise I agree--the mercury especially bothered me. That's why I switched to LED bulbs when they were improved.
I'm glad more people are pointing this out too as I love a good fictional story. Sadly nothing of this report was scientifically accurate. But I love a good story and a good laugh
So we should have given up on internet when it was dial up super slow internet? Just thought of the inconveniences and not tried to improve the technology? Same with electric energy. Why shojld we keep digging for energy when we can eventually invent some type of factory that just makes energy. Whatever that new method is, we have to invest to make things better. Just like the internet and electricity.
So we should have given up on internet when it was dial up super slow internet? Just thought of the inconveniences and not tried to improve the technology? Same with electric energy. Why shojld we keep digging for energy when we can eventually invent some type of factory that just makes energy. Whatever that new method is, we have to invest to make things better. Just like the internet and electricity.
One thing I’ve noticed is that if you are a renter and don’t live in a fairly recently built complex (my case apartments around 1000/1400 charging at home is not a possibility. Only for the wealthy at the moment.
actually from what I've read they made it worse. example: there is at least one power station in calif. that would actually be more efficient if they just burned the diesel in a generator to make power than using the diesel to keep the generator hot so that when the sun comes out the solar mirrors can actually make power instead of warming up for 5 hours. also, electric cars are worse than gas cars to 100,000 mlles? ok, how many are at or going to pass 100,000miles?
You should stop buying oil then. LFP batteries for EVs contain zero cobalt and the EV batteries that do contain cobalt now source it ethically - but cobalt has been used in oil refining with no regard for source for decades.
Same kids are diggin lithium for your cell phone battery and your laptop battery. How broken is your heart now? Don't look into who is really making those Nike shoes either if child labor is concerning to you.
I see a lot of the big wind turbine blades being trucked thru my area, lot's of support vehicles, plus the giant rig that's the prime mover. All the work done to prepare the site, all that concrete and steel, the cranes involved, all the labor, the excavation and the machines to do it, the lube oil in the gearboxes, the polymers the blades are made of, all made possible by good old OIL!
And don't forget the non-recyclable and non-renewable blades. I don't remember what they're made of some type of composite I believe but I saw that all they can do is put them in landfills because they can't recycle them. I don't know that what I saw is 100% true.
@@infomanblog500 I'd love to see a broken down graph of some sort, showing how much oil it takes to build and install a large wind turbine. Including all the little things, like the gas burned by the people making and erecting them while driving to work, the diesel needed to operate some of the largest cranes in the world to erect them, the fuel needed to make those big crane in the first place, the concrete readymix truck's fuel, the making of the cement and all the tons of steel (all that steel and concrete buried and non recyclable) and finally the fuel needed to decommision them as they reach their useful lifespan. All of that as compared to how much energy the turbine produces whiles it up and running. BTW, I have had small wind turbines providing some my electrical needs for the last 40 years, but I have no illusions about them providing "free" energy.
Not only is there a bigger initial cost to own an EV. Be advised that states are not just going to sit back and give up their gasoline tax revenue. EV owners will be forced to subsidize gasoline usage. From InsideEVs, Jun 07, 2023 Some states are requiring electric vehicle owners to pay extra registration fees as part of a move to recoup lost revenue on gas taxes. In one state, a new senate bill requiring added costs for EV registration is set to become effective on September 1, and 32 other states feature similar fees.
It's almost like the whole move to electrical, and the whole green movement as a whole, is about looking and sounding nice rather than having any genuinely meaningful impact. Remember people, looking like you're doing good is more important than actually doing any if you want to be elected, both through voting on a ballot and voting with a wallet.
Unless of course Stossel is lying to you and you are just taking his word for it rather than looking into it yourself. Wouldn't that suck to be so easily fooled?
there was an interesting study that was shared on a TED talk about the true cost of Electric vs Hybrid vs Gasoline and how many miles one would have to drive to truly be good for the enviroment. It was very eye opening.
If I remember correctly, to equal a gas car environmentally an EV has to drive over 80,000 miles. Only then on is it better for the environment. Oh and remember that as of now, the battery still has to be replaced every 15-20 years.
@@Grifter371 actually, the ignorance of ppl vis a vis electric vehicles is not so surprising. Ppl are generally ignorant of most things going on in the world. Shiny stuff is what affects most ppl. Ignorance is bliss. As they say.
@@MiaSoreryOF no they can. These things end up in landfills. Not even Tesla wastes the money trying. Its like regular recycling. Too expansive/energy, no return
You will end up paying a fortune for electricity. The energy bill for my house was over $600! It was much lower well before electric cars came onto the road.
It's basically ramping up the same logic behind recycling your plastic in a separate lil container. It's meant to make you feel good about yourself for doing something nice for the planet, even if you really aren't.
Verify that number? Mining is required for everything we do and batteries will be treated as high grade ore, endlessly recycled. No need for damned mandates, the market will kill off ICE based on simple economics, can't compete with 125MPGe and far simpler machinery. 1/4 the operating cost, BEVs will soon be the poor mans choice. I still love my old 3-pedal BMW V8, bit of a petrolhead, but it's delusional to think they will be built much longer.
@@Mrbfgray well yeah, even if we weren’t changing to EVs for the environment, I believe we would eventually move to something more efficient than an ICE.
@@Mrbfgray He won't verify it cause he can't. Besides, considering a battery pack for a Tesla weighs 1k or 2k pounds, that's not a terrible material usage rate. You have to dig up more than you get for any metal
@@nickbono8 VASTLY more efficient. This vid is as much propaganda as anthropocentric climate alarmism is. Countering emotional arguments of one side (climate alarmism) with equally unfounded arguments from another angle is just DUMB.
@@Mrbfgray Bingo. This is why I can't fucking stand conservatives just as much as I can't stand progressives. Each side is more than happy to fill you up with bullshit propaganda, you just get to choose which color of propoganda you get!
Volvo did a study that found an EV has to travel 90K miles to offset the pollution from manufacturing the battery, and by then it’s due for a new battery 😂
Don't forget the cost as well. Electric and hybrid vehicles are still much more expensive than their gasoline-only counterparts. ROI can easily be 7-8 years so they don't make much sense from a financial standpoint either. I have nothing against electric cars per se, but don't force them on us.
Tesla warranties it's batteries for 150k miles. Companies use mean time to failure when designing warranty periods, so chances are the battery will last longer than that.
@@holycrapchris Model S/X: 8 years or 150,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period. Model 3 Rear-Wheel Drive: 8 years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period. Model 3/Y: 8 years or 120,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.
@@holycrapchris That is a battery retention warranty, which only guarantees 70% retention. That means if your Tesla goes from 272 miles of theoretical range at full charge to 190.5 miles at any time in the warranty period, even if its a day after you bought it, Tesla won't help you.
If you grew up in the 1960s, you remember that most houses had oil burners for heat. Then came electric heat, where toaster-like coils replaced hot water pipes in every room. I remember that electric heat fell out of favor almost instantly once the astronomical cost was exposed. The drivers of electric cars don't feel the cost pinch because electric cars are heavily subsidized by taxpayers.
You do realize that oil burners still suck right? In fact how much do they (electric baseboards) cost to install and maintain? I mean every heating system has it's strength's and drawbacks. It's like baseboards only go in the hundreds of dollars and new furnace you can just assume is at least 10k. Gas forced air isn't so bad but oil sucks. Plus it's really fair to say it's not a one size fits all for every dwelling. I mean do you really want a 10k furnace for a smaller home or say 1br apt?
@@deanpruit4216 Where do you think that overpriced electricity is coming from? Wind farms and solar cells? LOL Most of it is from coal powered plants. Sure, electric heat sounds great until you get "The Rest of the Story". You can buy smaller systems for those houses and apartments, and those electric baseboard heaters are not very efficient (per the Department of Energy). Their only upside is they are comparatively inexpensive, and can be used for zoned heating (but so can the others if properly set up), but their upside can quickly become a downside if your house isn't well insulated.
Don't forget about the cost of comfort in an electric car. If you need air conditioning in the summer or heat in the winter, you pay the price of reduced mileage. ICE vehicles produce heat and that can be used to warm you, electric vehicles don't and must generate it by using up the batteries. Imagine getting stuck in a snow storm and the batteries, which work like crap in the cold anyway, run out of power.
A common complaint is 'weak A/C' because they need to use very efficient A/C systems otherwise they would lower the mileage even more. A basic portable A/C for your home can use 1500W easily
there is ever increasing mileage from better and better batteries. this is just year 1 technology. gas cars are at the end of technological advancement, gas cars are on year 100. eventually batteries will carry at least 5x length than most economical car can go... the switch will be a no-brainer... the batteries also work fine in cold, i live in finland with -40 celsius winters. they shield the batteries from cold, insulate them.
I’ve been saying these things for years. I’m nowhere near genius status. Yet there are so very many people who NEVER give much thought beyond the Kardashians, American Idol or what shoes are on sale at the local mall.
One thing people forget about when talking about how good electric cars are for the environment is the environment. Pretty much all the ranges quoted for cars, before they have to recharge, are based on you using nothing but the drive. If you live in colder areas you need to have heat and in areas further south you're going to need to use air conditioning. The range being promised are about as realistic as government quoted mileages for gas cars.
Cold weather definitely reduces EV range, but it also reduces ICEV range. Use of AC doesn't affect range much, at least if you aren't driving 75. On those hot summer days, I routinely exceed the EPA mileage estimates.
@@scottm8579 A hybrid only uses the battery in limited situations: starting from a stop and sometimes with acceleration. The batteries are very small and aren't meant to power the car for other than a short distance. If you run out of gas and try to run a hybrid on just the battery, you will brick the car and a technician will have to reset it before it will run again. A hybrid primarily helps in city driving where it can recharge when slowing down and then draw on the small battery when starting off, and that's mostly it. Only a PHEV is designed to run in pure EV mode until the battery is mostly depleted before switching to gas mode.
Cold impacts the most -- EVs love heat. AC is cheap to run compared to heat. As for charging, well I plug in every 3 days and pull power from my roof. No gas stations needed, no fast chargers needed. The only thing better than being able to refill one's vehicle w/ 250+ miles of range nightly will occur when battery tech matures better and it becomes 400+ miles / night charging.
The other problem with EV's is our power grid cant support a growing electric consumption, you get alot of people charging their cars at the same time, you'll have to spend more money, more resources to upgrade the infrastructure that will support the volume. As more EV's are being used eventually so does the infrastructure have to be upgraded to support it, the demand from those nuclear, coal, and other sources of energy to create electricity will cost more, so if you think about it, to charge your ev the cost will rise based on the volume of people demanding it.
Looking forward to part two. My friend lives in a subdivision in which EV owners have to schedule charging with each other because the power infrastructure in the area can’t handle the load.
@@curtsk19 OMG you think an oven has batteries? Just how short is the school bus that picks you up? Wake up sleepy, an electric oven has a 50A connection, a Tesla has a 32A charger.
A fair question is how electric cars compare to internal combustion cars as far as environmental impact on manufacturing. Both use copper iron and plastics I know the batteries in electric cars used alot of lithium and such so what is the numbers? Also the cost of electric vehicles is to much for the average person as well as the infrastructure what do you do on long trips? I think the best way to do this is let the free market decide.
for now the affordability is a case by case basis. where i live electricity is cheap not even 8cents a kwh. ev's are allowed in carpooling lanes and tolled bridges are free for ev's. just the bridge that i take everyday saves me 7$ a day. after 2 years the brakes are still at 90%. gas is currently 1.88 a litre. Where i live you pretty much have to be an idiot to buy an ice (if ur driving consists of the average commute)
@@gargalash9191 mind sharing where you live, though? eastern Canada, maybe? your description best suits Ontario. however, keep in mind that a politically motivated, deliberate making of electric cars appealing to the consumer has its limits. once too many cars are electric, all these incentives gonna vanish again. but yes, to whether it's actually reasonable very strongly depends on location. but what you certainly can't bet on is the stability of your electricity price. with more and more cars going electric and simultaneously phasing out fossil fuels for energy production, prices will increase significantly (five times and over) in order to meet a new equilibrium. when one buys an electric car, all's fine .. but when everyone drives electric vehicles, you need about double the electricity (this isn't a guess, even when it sounds like one; it's three times current production when you look into electrifying commercial vehicles too.) yes, this will then significantly alter everything. and this is what you need to keep in mind. so, to secure your advantage, you should just everyone tell not to buy electric vehicles. if you're not that selfish, then you actively help sinking the boat, so to speak.
@@joshuaborem7063 that EV manufaturing uses child labor and refining gasoline doesnt (well, at least he was silent on the subject).. All manufacturing causes damage to the environment. We have to see the overall net effect. Otherwise, we all go back and live in cave.. And that too you need to burn wood.
@@joshuaborem7063 impossible, because there were none! but Steve *feeeels* like they're lies and that's enough for him - facts, data, evidence and the truth are entirely irrelevant to sheeple
My friend bought a $105,000 Tesla. It was So Cool until Winter. She parked in the garage and traded it in the Spring. She also didn't like All the Odd Tesla Fan Boys at the Charging station. She tried to use the recharging time to do Work. But All these Odd Balls wanted to Talk endlessly about Teslas.
The break even point is actually around 30K and 3 years... and this doesnt even take into account the longevity and replacement costs of batteries vs a new car after 10-15 years.
There's a good reason that only you have this in inkling, because you're probably a bit slow at catching on, compared to the people that you know. Please educate yourself, and stop sniffing gas.
@@jimwagnerclips Okay then. For starters, Tesla Solar installed on rooftops, generates more electricity then all the Tesla vehicles out there, consume in charging them. Regarding battery life. All new Tesla battery packs are rated to last at least a million miles, which will easily outlast the life of the car. Recycling automotive battery packs, are an industry unto themselves. Battery recycling, which presently operates at a 95% efficiency, from my latest sources, can infinitely reuse the elemental commodities for manufacturing new batteries. There are multiple battery technologies being researched by hundreds of companies around the world, and their efficiency is only improving day by day. Please feel free to check my facts. Every major car manufacturer has conceded to the eventual domination of electric vehicles. They of course will not promote their course of direction publicly, seeing as they do not want to be a victim of the Osborne effect. Hopefully, I've given you some information, that will help you evolve a more accurate perception, of the significant change coming to the transportation industry. Definitely for the better!
@@feger481 most people can’t see what’s in front of them. They will see videos from the mainstream like this one and do 0 research and just assume they are correct because it’s to much work to look into the real research and understand scale, s curves and disruptive tech. For the few that do see and understand it they will find great investment opportunities
@@wr82 They may not have specifically lied directly however their arguments are simplistic, contrived and distorted. The data is cherry-picked to suit. This is a journey TO fixing the problem, not an instant fix. Without the pressure of competition that Elons companies bring we would still be where we were ten or twenty years ago.
I hope that your part 2 covers what these EVs will do to the low income people who purchase used cars. Unlike gasoline cars, by the time the average owner is through with them, the EVs will need to have their battery replaced. Currently this can cost up to $20K. Even with prices coming down, costs of replacement batteries for the next decade are not projected to go below $5K. Add thousands of dollars for a new battery to the price of a used car... and that used EV has just been priced out of the range of the low income used car buyer.
Tesla batteries are lasting about 300k miles before having to be replaced, some are getting as many as 500k miles. Many used cars are bought with 20k, 30k, 50k miles on them. Cost of replacing a battery really isn't that big of a deal.
@@JeffLandauer Tesla? LOL Low income people will not be buying a Tesla with 50K miles on it. The Car and Driver article I read said that the moderately priced EV batteries should last at least 100K which is what the warranty usually covers. My wife works with a non-profit and deals with many low income folks. They usually can only afford something like a 10 year-old vehicle ...and 100K miles is usually their STARTING point.
@@JeffLandauer That theoretical 300,000 miles is based on a recommended charging cycle that limits charging to 60% of the total usable capacity, but few people will actually keep to that charging cycle. In reality, it's better to measure based on the number of total cycles. For Tesla, they estimate 1,500 cycles before the battery is out of spec. For few people, that means upwards of 300,000 miles over the life, or 200 miles per charge. But for many people, that might be as little 60,000 miles, or 40 miles per charge. This is particularly true for people who do not follow the recommend charging cycle framing. If you do a lot of fast charging and discharging, regularly exceed the charging limit recommendation, and if you live in an extreme climate, you'll wear the battery out faster. Also, it's not just about lasting. With modern lithium technology, a battery could last 300,000 miles or more, but the issue isn't how long it lasts, it's degradation. Even if a battery could last 300,000, the battery might be too degraded to be practical well before then. That's the real issue. Tesla has a 8 year warranty on degradation, but that only guarantees a 70% retention. That means if your brand new Tesla goes from 272 miles of estimated rage to 190.5 miles, Tesla won't help you, even if the drop in range happens the day after you buy it.
One of the problems I have with electric is that they don't survive into the used car market very long. Many Americans cannot afford a new car,and don't qualify for loans to but them. Many of these people rely on cheaper, older used cars. Plenty of used car lots have 15-20+ year old vehicles for sale that are still in service. So far, the battery is very expensive to replace in any electric car, and no matter how well you treat it, it isn't projected to last that long. Nobody can or should justify spending 10k or 15k on a battery for a car worth 5k. In my opinion, in the long run, this makes the electric car extremely disposable and horribly wasteful.
And when all manufactures have nothing But electric cars on their lineup they're gonna realize how screwed they are when no one's gonna buy because they already know that it's not going to be worth it 2 years down the road when the battery degeneration kicks in
My heart broke when I saw that little boy being yelled at in the rain with no shoes. 😞 I’m not always grateful for what I have until I see something like this, then I remember how fortunate I really am.
Changes happen naturally, if the government has to force them (by banning combustion engines for example) it could mean that the society is not ready for the change or sees something the government doesn't
Correct, the federal government is only good for war, and making laws. They have no business forcing people to purchase anything, like health insurance, schooling, electric cars, etc ...
Everyone who is a fan of anything is devoted.. And any fan will defend the thing they are a fan of with a level of hostility... However, there are also people on this very planet that could say nothing about a particular demographic but choose to anyway with a level of mockery and sarcasm...
Hmm maybe because despite the good arguments, we still have to move in the direction of Electrification. Yall think that the legacy autos would ever? Nope
@@generalzod7959 Because in the eventuality that nuclear and renewables own more of the grid, and the cost of gas keeps rising, and that many homes/apt units will have home battery/solar, they are the p clear choice. Why do you think EV models of manufacturers hold their price so much better than their counterpart
What most people don’t understand about the grid is that it’s not just an issue of supply, but rather what the grid can actually handle. Much of the wiring strung across the country was done in an era when most people only used electricity for lighting. (Hence the reason many local electric companies were called the “Light Company.”) The demands of the modern home with electric appliances, furnaces, and clothes dryers, let alone multiple TVs and other electronics, are already taxing the infrastructure. If and when we start adding millions of cars to the load the problem will become more apparent.
Not really. That bridge was already crossed with modern heat and AC. The additional load to charge a car is really not that great. Assuming the average car goes 15k miles a year, that's 41 miles a day. The average EV uses .346 kWh per mile. So that's 14.35 kWh of electricity per day. That's the equivalent of running a 1500w space heater for 9.5 hours. The power companies are more than capable of meeting that kind of extra load, especially as the ramp up to all EVs is going to be gradual (20+ years at least). And EVs will likely become more efficient over time, just as ICE engines did.
Most people don't understand that the grid can handle far more than you will ever use in the middle of the night when TVs and other electronics are not running. That is when most EVs charge and thus balance the grid. And if millions of EVs got V2L, they can even feed back into the grid during peak hours, thus further balancing the grid.
@@wgemini4422 that may be true in areas where the cables have been upgraded over the years. But there are vast areas where the wires were hung in the 1940's. The grid isn't prepared for the extra load.
@@meredithsdg There is no extra load. If the grid can handle the load at 7pm with AC/heating blasting, it can handle the load at 11pm with the EVs charging. EVs don't draw more power than your typical high powered appliances like a furnace or an AC. The other thing is you really should have solar panels on every roof, then the grid wouldn't even be a factor. You would think a so called libertarian would support a decentralized power scheme rather than relying on government controlled oil and gas infrastructure.
It’s hard to argue for electric cars as there is so many holes in the argument for them… They are NO way green… No matter how they spin the story Look at the cold hard facts and all the magic disappears
What arguments that involve facts actually benefit electric ? My own experience is nerds are totally sold and maybe car enthusiasts but not mechanically inclined
@@kickassprankstaz I would call your observation correct ✅ It’s just a fad thing and has no advantages for the environment despite what the fanatics say They only want to look at things through rose coloured glasses When the facts are analysed things fall apart rapidly I suspect they will be the next betacord … great in some people’s eyes 👀 But who is going to pay for the recycling at end of life … The yuppies that buy these things will have long moved on and as usual will wash their hands of responsibility
@@batmanlives6456 they are greener than combustion engines. This is demonstrable from looking at emissions from the tailpipe and even upstream during manufacturing and energy. There are sites that break down the figures. The problem here is you're listening to a guy who is a climate change denialist and isn't burdened by evidence or adherence to facts.
This is a GREAT video. I was aware of MOST of this information before I purchased my hybrid electric mini-van. The reason I bought it was not for the environmental reasoning but more so for the reduced cost of operation, at least, for right now. I also have solar on my house with a 12 kWhr battery that was also mined using fossil fuels too. I didn't get that to be "environmentally friendly" either. That was as a measure to fix my electric costs for the next 10 maybe 20 years and to be self sustaining in the event of prolonged power outages. I think that electric vehicles are only a PART of the solution for sustainability but not the only solution. I think there needs to be more HONEST dialog about sustainable energy systems, not political rhetoric and platitudes but honest, appraisals of the situation. Ultimately, encouraging the free market to find these solutions is the best for all of us.
me too I bought a electric car since I bought used at 17,000 canadian, and if I put just 100,000KM on it I would have saved more money in gas than the cost of the car. I live in alberta and we have so much coal power on the grid so I guess my car does nothing because currently I am charging at night when only coal power would be available. if we want to get serious about reducing Co2 in Canada we need to start producing gravity based batteries to store energy created by solar, we have tons of space in canada so lots of room to make these but I don't even hear anyone talking about these issues.
Except it's not a great video. It's full of disinformation. John's "expert" is literally an investor in the oil and gas industry. But I'm very glad you have your hybrid vehicle and especially the solar and battery backup. If you got an EV or plug-in hybrid and used your solar to charge the battery, you'd bypass many of the criticisms raised in this video.
The environmentalists pushing this rhetoric are hypocritical like David Suzuki who own 7 homes including one in British Columbia that is like a mansion. How do he travel to his other homes. How do all the politicians pushing clean air travel, you got it, they fly and not with a plane full of people but with a very small few. How many times a year do they fly to other countries, at least once a month and that doesn’t’t include their shorter 3-4 hr flights throughout the month. This agenda is not about the environment it is about controlling freedom to travel. If you buy an electric car, start saving for your batteries, apparently they only last three years and it costs $20,000.
@@derekandfarley three years? Good grief the ignorance here. Every EV sold has at least an 8 year battery warranty. The modern batteries are lasting a lot longer than that. Hell, mine is 4.5 years old so by your knowledge it should be dead. But when I charge to 100% it gives me the same range it did in 2018.
Good stuff. I think one of the major problems is when an entity says it has to be 100% this way or that way. Being free is about responsible choice for your situation. None of this is all that bad unless you are forced.
I agree! I have an electric bike & an electric golf cart, but I have them because I want them, not because I was forced to get them. Make me get one & I'm more obstinate than any old grizzled donkey.
@@Momcat2012 My buddy has an electric bike, I've ridden it a couple times just around the block, and it's so freaking rad. THAT is the kind of thing that, because of people like Elon and his push for Battery and E-Motor technology, we have seen massive strides in smaller scale things where Electric motors have a real advantage over mechanical. Same thing with all the people switching over to Electric Mowers and String Trimmers (Weedeater) and stuff. Like many things, energy and technology should be a diversified, multi-pronged approach. But instead, the simpletons on the left say, "EVERYTHING ELECTRIC NOW" without having any comprehension of what that actually entails.
Right, like seatbelts and traffic lights and air traffic control. Nobody should ever be forced to do anything. Excuse me, I just pooped myself in an expression of my freedom. That'll clean right up!
Electric cars will keep people grounded in the range the car will go! Example! My gas powered car will take me from Tomball tx approximately 8hrs to Bonneville Arkansas, if I were to use a electric car it would take me approximately 16 hours to get there due to time to charge the car! If I can find a charge station, and if there's a wait.
I have to wonder, how many people that are driving around in their electric cars really think their cars are carbon neutral, when in reality, they’ve just exported their emissions to somebody else’s backyard.
@Brandon Lee Does that calculation include the mining and manufacturing process, and the child labor in the cobalt mines in Africa? It’s not my intention to discourage anyone from purchasing an EV, but I think they are far from green. And I don’t place a high priority on carbon emissions. I guess the best way to say it is, EVs are an option in the modern auto market, and they should simply take their place alongside their gasoline and diesel powered cousins.
@@davidadams165Yes and if people rambling on about UR COLL would stfu and let us take advantage of wind and solar power instead of making physics some idiotic woke cult thing and you would vote in people who would spend money modernising the grid, none of that would be an issue
@@davidadams165 Or.......wait for it.......SOLAR!! My neighbor runs his almost exclusively off his solar charging station that he installed in his garage using used solar panels that he picked up for a song and a dance. If electric cars do hit it big (who am I to say?) I can see chains of solar powered charging stations lining the highways, especially in remote areas.
An electrical expert who knows way more about it than I do said "If everyone in the USA went out and bought an EV tomorrow the power grid would collapse"
wouldn't even take that many really. Just a regional failure would knock out our grid. All fo he zones are interdependent. when one fails, the whole system has to respond by shutting down. Nobody really knows how a complete cold start would work. All the generator plants need to synchronize their AC power frequencies exactly or it doesn't work.
Your electrical friend has a keen sense of the obvious. In 1940 had everyone went out and bought an air conditioner over night, the grid would of collapsed. (Not that it was fully functional grid at that time) Change takes time, it doesn't happen overnight.
I've been reading the 'truth' about E cars for quite a while, and It seems, that an Electric car in an eight year period causes more damage to the environment than a traditional petrol or diesel vehicle. The facts from this clip confirms that. These videos should be shown in schools. But the alarmists would not allow that.
Even better, go pick up a junker, and fix it up, Aren’t the hippies all about recycling?? I’ve got a nice ride thanks to the junkyard!! (Short videos on my channel, nothing really that current though)
Many of us have wondered when this foggy-headed of fantasy that would have used electricity (which is already expensive and in short supply demand-wise) would have been put to rest. I will happily agree that putting politicians in charge of things that are subject to the laws of physics is a VERY BAD practice. Time to get back to reality.
Thanks, John. I didn’t jump on the electric car bandwagon as a social justice warrior. I bought it for economy. Some of us car people aren’t into politics. The main reason I own one is the simplicity of the car. In 8 years of ownership, I have replaced a 12 volt battery, and had 2 flat tires repaired. Period. End of story. No annual smog check, no oil changes, no muffler repair, brake jobs, no stolen catalytic converters, etc. My cost to operate (total) is 0.05¢ per mile.
Funny. Wait 'til your battery needs replacing. It's not like a gas powered car battery costing $100. It'll be more like $15,000! Come back, and we'll all talk then.
@@l.a.french3063 so his battery that’s doing just fine at 8 years (the end of the warranty period) is going to suddenly go poof and need replacing? I could just say wait’ll your engine or transaxle needs replacing, because nothing ever lasts beyond the warranty period. It would be as equally silly a statement.
@@Hogtown1986 Incorrect. Trans-axles and engines usually lasts the entire lifetime of a gas powered car. From what I've read and from empirical data, an E.V.'s battery only lasts about 7 or 8 years. And as I've stated, they are ridiculously expensive. Imagine paying $40,000 for a used 8 year old compact car. Not a good deal.
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California: "We are going all-in on electric cars!" Also California (24 hours later): "Don't plug in your electric car, because we don't have the energy supply to charge them"
ZAND PEOPLE STILL CANT SEE!! lmao, Talk about taking control, no gas cars, but you can only charge your car when the government says it’s ok
Shocker
Grab some solar panels 😂
There is a difference between "don't plug your car" and "don't You all plug at the same exact time".
I realize when people belong to a cult they keep voting for that cult, because they can't think for themselves.
Nothing is greener than taking good care of the car you already own and driving it until the wheels fall of.
Here is ID, the locals drive their huge gas guzzling polluting vehicles until they are at least 3 times as old as their drivers. Nothing green about them.
@Sam O: Wrong
@@super8mate no, he’s right, other than a sm percentage of wind and solar generated electricity, where do you thing electricity comes from? Hoover dam ?
Coal and gas burning generators . Gas is here to stay, this is just a greener trend
@@jsmariani4180 but still greener then electric cars
@@jsmariani4180 you shouldn’t of moved to Idaho if you don’t like how the locals are, I imagine you’re trying to bring your politics to their town . Nothing worse than outsiders moving to get away from their situation and trying to change it to where they came from.
Or maybe it’s your second home in the Idaho mountains, yeah that’s so green of you.
I love my EV. I'm not under any misconception of where the battery and electricity comes from. I do not believe they should be mandated or banned, just a choice people can make.
How are you paying for the use of the highway system?
I don’t own an EV.. but agree with you completely. As competition grows in the sale of EV’s, the prices should hopefully get lower.
charge ur car useing solar or wind thats all u need and steel tires
@@gregoryanderson6550 Does the money for road repairs ONLY come from gas/fuel for internal combustion engines?
@@gregoryanderson6550 Why do you care? It's not up to him to figure that out.
The deadly, unquenchable electric car battery fire aboard the car carrier MV _Fremantle Highway_ in July 2023 should make us all think twice about proliferation of electric cars..
I interviewed a top energy expert on my home page vid. He warns EV conversion will not happen and oil can never be replaced.
It wasn't the first car fire on the Freemantle, but before it was just ICE vehicles and they shut in the hold so no air could get to it and when the oxygen was exhausted, the fire went out. Lithium makes it's own oxygen. Many ships won't carry BEV now...their insurance won't let them.
People thought twice about the proliferation of gas cars when those first came out, due to toxic air pollution and the explosive liquids carried onboard, and yet here we are. Electric vehicle technology continues to improve and become safer over time, just like ICE vehicle technology did all those decades ago, and in many ways it’s already far safer than gasoline tech.
This man has been a national treasure for truth for many years now .... Thank you Mr Stossel
His oil-industry advertisers are incredibly happy that he didn't do any unbiased research on the topic.
@@justsomeguy934 Have any proof of your statement ?
Lol, more like this guy is in the pocket of the oil companies, clearly
@@justsomeguy934 what part of his report do you refute?
@@trashyraccoon2615 he just has common sense...that's what's throwing you off
I work in the electrical utility industry and the biggest thing people don't realize is that we do not have the infrastructure to support this many electric vehicles. You can build substations all you want but if you don't have the power generation capacity to support the demand we're going to have even more brownouts and blackouts.
I’m a Illinois based electrician
Most of the grid we get power from is designed to feed houses with 60amp services. Even if everyone got a 200amp service upgrade and an electric car charger, the grid Is still massively undersized.
@@livingunderarockunderarock9963 I’m sure that when the gas car came out there wasn’t much infrastructure for gas but hey over time there was.
@@acquitz2208 absolutely
Maybe we can mine all of the extra resources we’re going to need from space!!
@@acquitz2208 ICE cars do not need the same infrastructure to support them. One gas station can be refueled by one truck, which can fuel hundreds of cars in a single day, which allows those cars enough fuel to last a week.
At the same time, one 220 home charged can only support one car, which will last that car maybe a couple two three days before needing a recharge. Your box cannot support more than one car, and the larger grid cannot support every home charger, so that all has to be upgraded.
Then there's whole issue of people who do not have access to private parking. To charge one EV at a public level 3 charger could take an hour. Imagine the wait times, and imagine time as real-estate and the rate at which gas cars are refueled. If a gas car can be refueled in 4 minutes, then you'd need 15 times as many public chargers to turn EVs at the same rate. Otherwise, you'd have long, long waiting lines, because the chargers are too slow.
Think downstream too. Powerlines will need to be replaced with larger ones. Transformers will need to be replaced for larger ones. Service wires to the house will need to be upgraded. In my utility this represents DECADES of work.
My husband and I (Californian’s) are retired, quite old and far from rich. We could never afford the electric cars and even if we could like so many here own Teslas- I don’t want my govt. forcing us. I do believe most people are truly ignorant about climate, fossil fuels and what it takes to produce and use EVs. So glad you’re doing your best to educate. I’m 73 and I’m not stupid or ignorant about the issues that matter most.
I’m sure the both of you voted a straight Democrat ticket.
forcing you to do......what?
@@donarmstrong2182 like get vaccinated? That kind of "forcing"?
@@donarmstrong2182 what rules?What are they voting for? What are you even talking about?
Well you're as old as I am and I know you probably remember when videotapes were popular remember betamax the videotape betamax remember how long those were around they were just the flash in the pan and I believe the popularity for these electric vehicles will be the same, they will still be around but they won't be as popular as they are right now. Not practical
So very nice to find a factual video about EVs. My career was in electrical/ electronics, but I can't tell you how many times I was called a liar for mentioning these problems.
What never ceases to amaze me is how can anybody still believe politicians and governments are sincerely concerned about the "environment".
Whatever the politicians say you should do is never for the reasons they tell you.
What about gun bans and confiscation?
imagine the pollution in ukraine but they dont care cuz its all a lie.
@@OOICU812 exactly they lie about guns to. like calling an AR an automatic rifle.
Are you under estimating stupidity of general population?
Sorry after the all the lies, and crying wolf, The government has lost all credibility with me.
This is the problem with so many of the issues we face. Emotions rule the day, and clear thinking is seen as some sort of moral transgression. Facts are hate speech, and truth is subjective (MY truth is that I feel…)
Unless/Until we return to sanity, this trend will only intensify.
too bad no objective research was done, but the oil industry appreciates your patronage.
It's not just limited to our intellect. As a species, we are generally sliding backwards, because too many have it too easy. It doesn't matter how big of a mindless, unfit, dysfunction blob you are, you are given the same rights as everyone else. This has resulted in Idiocracy in our generation.
@@AkioWasRight I've noticed. You Westerners act very weird online. So many delusions in this generation, yesterday I saw a video of a coffee maker crying because she has to work 8 hours a day.
In my country you work 12 hours a day or you starve.
@@justsomeguy934 🤡
Let's replace emotions with profit motive and a policy of trickly down FU.
The fact that a government administrator can mandate such policies, like EVs, via an "executive order" is what is truly dangerous.
That's why if we the people don't do something now it's only going to get worse. I remember growing up the government used to hide it from us but now they're just sticking their thumbs on their noses and telling us "what are you going to do about it"? Sounds like a challenge accepted to me I'm sure I'm not alone.
the government cannot mandate EV's.. they can only offer tax credits just like they do for all energy compaines.
Yet, that is just what the American voter keeps voting for
They really can't but the problem is separation of powers is broken!
The greatest threat to our freedom (besides Biden) is the climate and EV scam being used as means to exert greater control.
It kills me that so many "Green Activists" will say--"Follow the Science!" but don't ever actually "Follow the Science!"...thank you Stossel for asking all the right questions!
That's because they can't read or have developed brains due to the lack of meat eating.
I didn’t even have to make a comment- this video and others like it, speaks volumes. Not to mention the manufacturing process of the vehicle itself.
What “ right question “ that’s the thing about neocons when they can’t speak to the issue then they always attack the opposing side presentor because its all they have
Green Ragers should follow the money and political motives.
They follow the money not the science
The amount of infrastructure needed to support them is mind boggling. Copper usage ? Will probably go through the roof.
100% renewables will increase copper demand 10x and legislation has made opening new mines in any western country almost impossible and copper is just one material for which demand will skyrocket, all of which will increase pollution dramatically.
Yes, imagine needing to have an electric grid... This is actually the dumbest argument against electric cars. The electric infrastructure is already so vast. Anywhere there's an electrical outlet, there's a charging station. You're probably sitting in a room with half a dozen right now.
Copper is a bi product of mining gold. Gold will be hunted till the last drop. Gold is made from dying stars.... not like diamonds which is just compressed carbon. Silver is actually the crazy one for rarity vs need. Then we get to platinum and palladium.
Youmertz
Because the current electrical grid is not enough to even supply the CURRENT EVs sold. Imagine if people actually buy them on mass.
Upgrading power grids is not like playing sim city where you magically replace or add new facilities.
@@youmertz the electric grid is outdated and cannot handle the capacity of usage today. Add millions of electric cars and trucks and the electric grid crashes. Just look at what happens on very hot days in the summer when people are using air conditioning. You get blackouts because the grid can't handle it. Electric vehicles make the situation worse.
The day that all these elites ride bicycles to work and take commercial transportation instead of private jets, yachts, and limousines, is the day I will believe them.
I wouldn't base MY beliefs on what they do. What they DO is indicative of what THEY believe. And since they burn fossil fuels for their own convenience, it's clear they don't believe a word of the global warming crap they claim is real. They just say they do to exert power over you.
Agree
@Bill Flyer He's talking about all the WEF billionaires behind the scam...not some old career corrupt moron politician like Biden.
@Bill Flyer "When I was an engineer for the hispanic railroad I used to speak with the breakfast tacos as they cleaned the train." -Joe Biden
They did a study and found that driving an economy car some distance was less polluting than you would be riding a bike the same distance.
“They just don’t want it near them”
Truest statement ever 😢
this, they dont care about nature (cutting ammazon forests etc)
they only care about the air purity in the cities they live in
Same with nuclear power.
No one wants anything possibly unpleasant near them No one is saying put the homeless shelter in my back yard...Put the county dump next to my house...
steam engines forever 😿
It's environmental NIMBYism.
The "Green Movement" is the epitome of the phrase: "Amatuers discuss tactics, Professionals study logistics."
I interviewed a top energy expert on my HOME PAGE VIDEO. He warns EV conversion will not happen and oil can never be replaced.
Never heard of that expression before, but that explains a lot. And look at the coincidences... when I type it online there are several articles against it.
Grateful for people like Stossel that still speak the truth and tell it like it is. Thank you John!
Truth is the sworn enemy of the extreme progressive.
Im not a fan of this "Well x amount of carbon is used to build 1 electric car" argument. Okay, but that's also true for gas cars... So one will at least eventually result in less carbon, the other will not. Furthermore, as processes and automation improve the carbon used to produce a car will go down. Look at some of Tesla's factories where they are powered 100% by renewable energy.
Batteries are still a problem for now.
The same argument goes for electricity that is created from carbon sources. Sending electricity to the charging station is far more efficient vs shipping gas via tanker to a gas station. Not to mention how much more efficient electric motors are vs ICEs...
I'm not for a bunch of gov regulations to force the market. That's never a good idea. But there's simply no point in creating a reluctance to adopt electric vehicles. It will happen regardless because they are simply better all around.
@@Caseylawton If I could be the President of the US,I would issue an Executive Order that would require that 99% of all cars made in the US or imported into the US be gasoline or diesel powered,bc there is no reason to go electric, it's all based on the man made global warming/climate change scam.
@@Caseylawton When EV's are better, they will become the norm. They are NOT right now. Rather than using government force to transition to "green" energy the market should dictate when/how/who. Anything else is irrational/immoral.
@@johnnynick6179 Depends on your use case. For local travel, they are absolutely better. I have an EV and an ICEV. The ICEV stays parked most of the time. I drive the one that really is better, and almost all the time, that is the EV. If it wasn't, I wouldn't.
Looking forward to gas prices going down, not looking forward to electric prices going up. Supply and demand is such a cruel mistress.
If we embraced wide scale nuclearization it could be both, 3 guesses which party opposes nuclear at every turn.
@@janehrahan5116 I only need one guess.
@@janehrahan5116 these people pushing for electric cars but hate nuclear power are nuts. What the heck are we going to use for energy?
Charles lumia
Magic. Just like many of those eco protesters wanting to close farms.
This lie is designed to increase oil prices and the cost of energy uniformly so we have to rely on the government to subsidize the cost of energy which ensures it’s sustainability.
This kind of reminds me of the plastic bag problem that we have today... Back in the day, people were concerned with chopping down trees and using too many paper bags!! so one man said, hey how about we make these plastic bags, so we reduce our consumption of wood products... that didn't age well did it .. considering that top food grocers like whole foods only use paper bags haha
Here in Northern California we've gone back and forth from paper to plastic then recycled paper and now recycled plastic. "Bring your reusable bag or buy one of ours for $10". When I travel to Europe or the Caribbean, reusable bags are $1 or 1 Euro. It's quite a rip-off here in California.
History is repeating itself. Get rid of plastic to make more paper. Stop coal plants to make wood burning plants for energy. You know the climate was doing pretty good till the wood climate change was invented in 2010 before 2010 the world seemed just fine.
How Stossel-like of you to leave out the important part. Plastic bags were meant to be REUSED not disposed of. That's according to the actual guy who invented them in 1959, Sten Gustav Thulin. The petroleum industry, however, saw the new cash cow.
And in Europe, they didn't use paper bags, plastic bags replaced cloth bags. Because again, like the oil industry - the timber industry was pushing something wasteful to make more money.
@@NoctilucentArts I re use my plastic bags every day when I shop. I'm not a sheep you can condition into climate change brainwashing. I have Brain and I'm a thinker.
@@NoctilucentArts the plastic bag barely complete the first use in one piece
I get so tired of politicians being stupid.
I interviewed a top energy expert on my home page vid a must watch. He warns that EV conversion will not happen and oil can never be replaced.
@@ChannelNews1 It does he make any sense that it would work. Have a great day 😊
stupid is their go to position.
I get so tired of politicians selling their influence to the highest bidder, in this case, the UAW and the oil companies.
@@ChannelNews1 The "top energy expert" you would pick is always suspect. Here's my statement, and I'm more knowledgeable than you on the topic: electricity can never be replaced.
Decades of calling it like it is, Stossel is one of a kind.
500,000lbs of mining for a 1,000lbs battery. Is a Blatant LIE.
He's too smart to run for politics
Stossel need to run for Governor or maybe President to bring common sense back
LET'S GO BRANDON!!!
Stossel is wrong about this one, and the oil advertisers that buy media time for his organization wouldn't have it any other way. Follow the money.
@A walrus the rock-to-raw-mineral ratio for lithium is dead center of the same ratios for other materials. It's no better or worse than lead, gold, bauxite, copper, magnesium. The clever propaganda part of the video is that they didn't tell you how much ore is required to make an 800-lb engine block or a 300-lb transmission. See how the oil industry works?
biggest joke was california announcing the banning of gas cars a few days later announcing a "power flex alert" because they didnt have enough power 😂
@A M mmm yes, recently they signed a ban on gas vehicles, they wont allow sales by 2030, that sounds like far away but it just 7 years from now.
they want to push electric vehicles while the grid still cant handle everyday usage.
dont get what you mean by hit and run, im not a hack so yeah i reply back. ✌️
Their agenda will fail.
Hmm a giant battery on wheels electric supply. I wonder how they could help save the grid during high demand. You fail at electric engineering.
So does this mean Gavin is going to stand guard at the California borders and make sure no illegal gas powered vehicles enter the state in 2030?
Biggest joke is yiu not realising evs will help the grid.
Also not realising just how much electricity is needed to get oil out the ground in the US pumps only each month. Just that tiny little saving is enough to power 25million evs.
I recently bought an IONIQ 5 made by Hyundai. It is the best vehicle I have ever owned! However, I fully understand that it is not a zero emission vehicle. I jokingly tell people who ask me about the car that it is a “multi-fuel” vehicle. It runs on battery electricity, gas, diesel, oil, natural gas, steam, water, coal and nuclear energy!
You are correct, Your EV is power agnostic. And each year the grid gets cleaner, which means so does your EV. An ICE car never gets cleaner.... Ever
@@jeffbonvallet9480 except it doesnt get cleaner for an EV, in some cases it even gets dirtier especially when they need to use coal again over an energy crisis.
Do you know how much C02 is produced building a EV over a similar ICE vehicle, look it up. You may also like to find out how Lithium is extracted and its many lethal properties . Ever found a local Lithium recycling centre.
We need to get that multi fuel / power agnostic mentality to the manufacturing and logistics sectors. That’s when benefits will be seen.
@@BillyBanter100 Science advancement is ahead of every objection you can come up with, oh ye of little faith.
I own a petrol car, and diesel car, and I lease an electric car. When I leased it, charging on the high street was much cheaper than fuelling, however now charging costs 80p per kWh (1.02 usd) , which makes my AMG mercedes cheaper to run. And don’t forget the electric cars are much more expensive to buy too…
I've been saying this for years now. It's amazing how people don't understand manufacturing and the oil needed for pretty much every aspect of it. They want to believe, so they do--regardless of the inconvenient facts.
"They want to believe, so they do" Woke-leftism really is a new sort of religion, isn't it?
Me? I'll stick to Jesus. Little more truth and honesty over there.
Was about to reply exactly the same thing but you took the words right out of my mouth.
The thing is mining trucks are already being swapped for electric ones, why? Are miner's stupid? No, it is much cheaper to operate, industry doesn't care about pollution, they care about money and electric is the future because it lasts longer and is cheaper. Now all the inconvenient truth he said are already dismissed as wrong. Electric take 100k miles to become better if after that you grab the car an dump it in the garbage and are powering it with 100% coal electricity and don't count maintenance of ice cars. if you recycle the battery that people will pay you for the ability to do sow and power it from solar the cheapest way to charge it. It breaks even after 50k miles or less.
It's the same lack of thinking from people who believe farms pollute so they should be curtailed, since we get food from grocery stores anyway.
The man hasn't aged a bit since.
As a child, I remember watching Stossel cover public vs private. He made things so easy to understand, even if I couldn’t comprehend everything that was being said.
As an adult, I rediscovered him and it’s the exact same. Clear, direct, simple. Only I know what he’s taking about now.
Except for the beard.
That said, I love my Tesla. I don’t give 2 shits about the turtles. Car goes zoom
I remember John getting the shit smacked out of him by Dr d David Shoultz
@@johnnydaggers7649 oh yeah, because Dr Ds ego got hurt because stossel (correctly) said he thought it was fake.
@@johnnydaggers7649 Yeah. Nothing triggers a phony like being challenged.
@@Lofi.z34 nope. The same way I dont care about co2, carbon and myriad of issues that come with oil. Throw batteries in a pool full of baby seals and the last species of whale. Idgaf, and ill do it myself just to spite people like you. Im supporting myself, and my enjoyment and convenience in life. And I dont need someone whos existence is so vapid they need to tell me im "supporting" somethinf 26 and half steps down a process to come to the conclusion that 'bad things happen and thats bad'.
Id rather take a religious zealot berating me for my morality than people like you. Their ideology has more lore anyways, and is far more interesting.
Would love a series on oil. The vast majority of people don't know what oil is used for and there's misconception we are running out of it.
My girlfriend's roommate was this big climate change activist in Germany. She would go to these "end fossil fuel" rallies. She gave me $hit for having a Nespresso machine and the fact they use aluminum pods. Anyways in the last 2 years, she has bought herself a new MacBook, new iphone, new iPad, a Roomba vacuum, new Doc Martens, an 800$ Jura coffee machine, an Air up bottle and a very expensive North Face winter jacket. Also she's been travelling through out Europe living her best life because her parents have money. These people need some education because their hypocrisy is vomit inducing.
Like the eco-terrorists who spray paint everything in the name of climate change even though their spray paint contains aerosol and oil among so many other non environmentally friendly ingredients, lmao.
Exactly, the plastics we use on EVERYTHING depend on access to oil
Basically every plastic item you own and use is made of oil based products. Oil drilling isn’t going away anytime soon whatsoever.
@@nickbono8 they were forecasting for a long time in Canada that the Tar Sands would run out of crude bitumen by 2065. Just recently they found even more and now there's at least enough bitumen for another 300 years. Just imagine if they actually allowed more drilling in Canada. We would never run out of oil.
Will it also cover the billions in subsidies it recieves?
You are a legend, Mr Stossel! Millions of people who know your name pay attention to your research and fact-based research. Out here in So Calif after the tropical storm dropped a lot of rain, I think millions of future car buyers will have second thoughts and abandon the idea of electric cars. The hazardous risks of fire, toxic waste, and true danger to drivers themselves who drive the cars and who encountered and survived semi-submerged driving conditions in the cities and freeways may soon have no choice in accepting a true reality check when their vehicles begin to break down. What an environmental mess this new technology has produced. LiKind of like the past when the 747 jets were produced only there were very few runways that existed to allow those jets to land.
Good points. You really pay attention. I like your comments.
More ICE cars catch fire than EVs, because they are carrying a tank full of explosive gas! EV batteries are still evolving, and some newer types CANNOT catch fire, unlike gasoline and diesel. Every car makes toxic waste from its tailpipe, not to mention all the improperly disposed of engine oil and radiator and other fluids. Electric cars have fewer parts to break, and are therefore inherently more reliable than complex metal boxes containing thousands of explosions a minute. They have no gear box in their transmission because electric motors have great torque on the low end and great speed on the high end. Diesel locomotives have used electric motors for decades. The diesel engine drives a generator to supply power to four motors at the base of the engine. All we are talking about is using similar tech in cars, just removing the generator and using batteries. Batteries which may eventually out-live the cars and be usable more than once. Stossel's assessment lacks any forward thinkinig. He has chosen a spot in time that is rapidly becoming irrelevant!
@@brianworkman9954 U like his pts because you know even less than he does... Ignorance and BS isnt going to stop whats coming
@@Trashed20659 Firefighters said they can usually extinguish a fully engulfed regular car fire with about 500 gallons of water - but it took fire crews about 12,000 gallons of water to put out this Tesla after it caught fire on a Pennsylvania highway.
Litersly false.
@@Trashed20659 all energy-producing machinery must be fabricated from materials extracted from the earth. No energy system, in short, is actually “renewable,” since all machines require the continual mining and processing of millions of tons of primary materials and the disposal of hardware that inevitably wears out. Compared with hydrocarbons, green machines entail, on average, a 10-fold increase in the quantities of materials extracted and processed to produce the same amount of energy. For a snapshot of what all this points to regarding the total materials footprint of the green energy path, consider the supply chain for an electric car battery. A single battery providing a useful driving range weighs about 1,000 pounds. Providing the refined minerals needed to fabricate a single EV battery requires the mining, moving, and processing of more than 500,000 pounds of materials somewhere on the planet . That’s 20 times more than the 25,000 pounds of petroleum that an internal combustion engine uses over the life of a car. Among the material realities of green energy:
Building wind turbines and solar panels to generate electricity, as well as batteries to fuel electric vehicles, requires, on average, more than 10 times the quantity of materials, compared with building machines using hydrocarbons to deliver the same amount of energy to society.
A single electric car contains more cobalt than 1,000 smartphone batteries; the blades on a single wind turbine have more plastic than 5 million smartphones; and a solar array that can power one data center uses more glass than 50 million phones.
Replacing hydrocarbons with green machines under current plans-never mind aspirations for far greater expansion-will vastly increase the mining of various critical minerals around the world. For example, a single electric car battery weighing 1,000 pounds requires extracting and processing some 500,000 pounds of materials. Averaged over a battery’s life, each mile of driving an electric car “consumes” five pounds of earth. Using an internal combustion engine consumes about 0.2 pounds of liquids per mile.
Oil, natural gas, and coal are needed to produce the concrete, steel, plastics, and purified minerals used to build green machines. The energy equivalent of 100 barrels of oil is used in the processes to fabricate a single battery that can store the equivalent of one barrel of oil.
By 2050, with current plans, the quantity of worn-out solar panels-much of it nonrecyclable-will constitute double the tonnage of all today’s global plastic waste, along with over 3 million tons per year of unrecyclable plastics from worn-out wind turbine blades. By 2030, more than 10 million tons per year of batteries will become garbage.
The extraction process of lithium is very resource demanding and specifically uses a lot of water in the extraction process. It is estimated that 500,000 gallons of water is used to mine one metric ton of lithium. With the world's leading country in production of lithium being Chile, the lithium mines are in rural areas with an extremely diverse ecosystem.
In Chile’s Salar de Atacama, one of the driest places on earth, about 65% of the water is used to mine lithium; leaving many of the local farmers and members of the community to find water elsewhere. Along with physical implications on the environment, working conditions can violate the standards of sustainable development goals.
Additionally, it is common for locals to be in conflict with the surrounding lithium mines. There have been many accounts of dead animals and ruined farms in the surrounding areas of many of these mines. In Tagong, a small town in Garzê Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture China, there are records of dead fish and large animals floating down some of the rivers near the Tibetan mines.
After further investigation, researchers found that this may have been caused by leakage of evaporation pools that sit for months and sometimes even years. Lithium-ion batteries contain metals such as cobalt, nickel, and manganese, which are toxic and can contaminate water supplies and ecosystems if they leach out of landfills. Additionally, fires in landfills or battery-recycling facilities have been attributed to inappropriate disposal of lithium-ion batteries. As a result, some jurisdictions require lithium-ion batteries to be recycled. In spite of the environmental cost of improper disposal of lithium-ion batteries, the rate of recycling is still relatively low, as recycling processes remain costly and immature. More than 400 million batteries are used throughout the country, with only 5% being recycled, resulting in 8000 tonnes ending up in landfill.
Creating the lithium-ion battery pack is also more environmentally harmful than the manufacturing process for an average petrol-powered car.
Here in Australia there is a RUclipsr by the name of John Cadogan and his channel is called the auto expert. He's a highly qualified mechanical engineer, an automotive journalist and from my experience watching his channel a very honest presenter. He crunched the numbers and in Australia the amount of pollution put out by cars is just 8% of the total. So we can see that even if EVs were totally carbon free, and as we just heard in this video that they're far from it, it would still not make a huge difference.
Um. Australia has a population of just 20 million and mining is Australia's biggest business so this is blatant cherry picking. Regardless nobody is buying ev's for the environment but instead because they like them since they're a better product. Also way better for the economy
@@lachlanB323 They aren't better for the economy if you can't afford one. The only economy they benefit is China's, because they supply all the batteries and chips. That supply will be turned off once China invades Taiwan.
@@golden.lights.twinkle2329 The only reason ev's aren't cheap right now is because they aren't producing enough ev's. Right now Tesla has a run rate of 1.6 million per year. And plans to and is increasing it by 50% per year hence exponential growth. As production increases the cost of making it comes down too. Battery prices have fallen 90% in 10 years. And it will fall another 50 from where it is now in a 5 years imo
@@golden.lights.twinkle2329 Also the only reason the incentives are coming is because ford and GM screwed up and didn't see the EV revolution coming and are freaking out because it's happening way quicker then they expected due to Tesla. So ford and GM lobbied and got the EV incentive. Tesla didn't want the EV incentive lol
@@lachlanB323 I’ll just keep driving my old dirty Ute/truck , run on cooking oil if required, black outs don’t affect, or creek crossing, can carry a power station in drums , 100 litres or so.
1 Volcano having a fart contributes more Emissions that a shitload of cars etc. I say make hay while the Sun shines, because tomorrow it might not matter. Big rock might fall out of the sky , Emissions from Automotive equipment won’t mean shit 🤪
Electric cars being “green” gives me “we don’t need farms because I get my groceries from the store” vibes.
It's called "NIMBYism", and it's the issue of point and nonpoint pollution sources, something beyond all the "green" crowd.
These people pat themselves on the back for buying a $130,000, 5,400lb Tesla , but they haven't the slightest clue where the electricity used to charge their Tesla comes from, or what was released into the air and dumped into the ocean when all the materials used to produce it was sent around the world.
That is exactly correct.
Ha! Love this!
Perfectly said.
"vibes" Wow that is sad how you rationalize your arguments. Technical Reality dose not work like that. It is not subjective and opinion based. Wrong is wrong. Nothing you said was relevant or had any functionality.
I'd be interested in seeing the average mileage that the battery has to be replaced and what that alone would add to it's lifetime carbon footprint.
It all depends on how quickly you charge and discharge it and the rapid changing temperature of where you live. In the most extreme then perhaps 5 - 7 years. Top end about 15 - 20. Batteries really hate to be totally drained and for long periods so all batteries need to hold at least an 80% charge at all times to keep them at their best performance.
@@Kit_Bear Sounds like gas is easier to maintain.
@@Kit_Bear there are multiple variables to account for but what I'm interested is the average number. The every day user of an electric vehicle; how often are these batteries being replaced. What is the net outcome. This data will come with time as every "new" technology. There are extremes at each end. But at the end of each vehicles life what is that net carbon footprint. You could take it one step forward and account for the carbon used to modify our existing infrastructure to accommodate all vehicles becoming electric vs maintaining our exsisting infrastructure. I'm positive this isn't something we would benefit from for many many lifetimes.
@@RealBusinessEvan Then there's the scarcity of lithium and neodymium, and the expense of recycling lithium batteries.
@@darksideblues135 Trust me, the Tesla is much easier to maintain. No gas stops, no oil, lube, and filter changes. No transmission fluid. No spark plugs. No air filter changes. No leaky valves/gaskets. Etc. All those annoying "features" of a combustion engine, are eliminated with electric cars. The Tesla phone app can be easily set to charge to optimum level.
It is amazing how politicians act as if none of this happens
I interviewed a top energy expert on my home page vid. He warns EV conversion will not happen and oil can never be replaced.
And the media…
@@stephenseth-yr7kz how does that coincide with my home page vid?
I bet most greenhouse gasses come from the mouths, and butts of the politicians forcing us to go green. I wonder how much greenhouse gas Joe Biden emits every time he farts, which is a lot.
All they care about is their campaign.
My car is from 1986. I feel like I'm better for the environment than people who have bought 3-5 vehicles throughout the life of my one. And it's still running great!
WHAT..??.........Has it been in storage..???.................Paul
@@paulholterhaus7084 nope. Just take good care of it. Replace things that need replacing. Change the oil every 3k or so...
So where does the oil come from that you have to put in that engine every 3000miles ? Where does the gasoline come from to run the vehicle?
@@tigertoo01 oil changes are not frequent, jenius.
Not 3000 miles, but 50 000 miles - its 3 years... In older cars with bog worn its more frequent, but not much, it depends if you did abuse engine, or just driver it as it should.
Toyota Hilux is still more reliable then any EV ever be.
For 3 years, your average electric car will degrade into nothing...
Stop lying,EV evangelist
@@razzor4708 I wish I was a jenius but I’m just a lowly genius. So my first ev i bought second hand and had it 7 years without any servicing required. 200,000kms. Traded it in on a new VW ID3. Extremely well built car. 1.5 years old and 50,000kms on the clock. I expect 300,000kms of trouble free driving with no servicing required. Even vw scheduled servicing is just bring it in every 2 years regardless of kms driven. Btw if you’re only changing oil in an ice every 50,000miles then you’re a weirdo liar who can’t spell.
Isn't it strange that the greenies think electricity generated for your air conditioning is evil, but the same electricity used to charge electric cars is just fine.
The dissonance is suprising
And all the more fun to watch it came crashing down on them
Doublethink: All air conditioning is evil. But the air conditioning inside your electric vehicle is good.
For them it's a religion. It doesn't need to make sense
The electric fairies have clean magic only outside
My Saturn gets 35 mpg on the freeway and almost 30 mpg in town. I never worry about charging it and there's a gas station on every corner. If I decide to drive across the country, I never worry about finding fuel. My insurance costs me $35 per month and if someone steals my car, I can buy a another used one for $2500. I saw a new Lucid yesterday (a beautiful electric car). I googled it: $87,000.....I can buy another THIRTY-FIVE Saturns with that! lol...lol
Those Saturns will be hard to come by someday. Lucid on the other hand..... well, nevermind... they will always be expensive.
I've owned newer cars; I've also owned few older cars from the 80's and early 90's. The best car I ever owned was a 92 Ford Escort hatchback. I almost hit 40 MPG on a road trip to California. I think my best was just a hair over 38 MPG, and I was averaging 70-80 MPH the entire time, except a small segment where I had to drive through Portland in the mid-day on my way back. My average still never dropped below 30 MPG. It helped that the car was very light, so even though it was only around 100 HP it was able to scoot along just fine under its own power. It was also a 5-speed manual.
What I'm saying is, I agree with your point. The ultimate delusional irony of this entire farcical initiative is that it involves the same crowd who screeches about how climate change is destroying poor people the hardest, but who also have this Marie Antoinette-caliber attitude... "oh, just let them eat cake". "Just have them buy an EV", they say, as though lower and mid-tier income brackets can afford an EV, and also have equitable access to charging infrastructure. For instance, If you live in an apartment complex, you're likely not going to have any charging stations available, and you're certainly not going to be able to install one in your parking space or even your unit. Most of these people will have to forego owning a vehicle in the fut--- *GASP* Oh wait, that is a design feature of this whole scheme.
These climate utopians are a danger to humanity and must be stopped.
@@TheReapersSon my God it's a YT comment section not war and peace
It has been proven that the best way to be sustainable is to get/use products that last as long as possible. Electric cars are not only significantly more expensive and require more resources/materials to produce and maintain, but they will never last as long as gas/diesel vehicles! So once again, it sounds like this is all just another corporate/political scam the masses are falling for!
My EcoSport gets about 30MPG.
One of the greatest freedoms we have as Americans is to be able to travel in the US wherever we want whenever we want. I could get in my car and drive from LA to Miami, stopping for gas, bathroom and rest if I need. I wouldn't have to worry about finding a working charging station or spending time charging. Electric cars severely restrict our ability to travel like that.
And you think it is okay to smoke in a store too no doubt. Learn something other than me me me.
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@@POCarton You really do not understand much, do you?
I drive for 150 miles max and than I need a restroom/break anyway. Always reliable Tesla superchargers give 150 miles in 10 min. But, yes, evs are not for everyone. Only for about 98% of current drivers.
@@BioniqBob That was an extremely random comment.
My neighbor also thought his 100 thousand dollar EV was just perfect until hurricane IDA knocked the power out for 3 months with no way to charge it . The batteries went flat and were ruined and cost an extreme amount to replace ! Now he sings a different song because they weren’t covered under warranty , imagine that ! My 2 gas guzzlers got along just fine as well as my gas powered generators ! He even had the nerve to ask if he could barrow gas for his generator because he was too damn lazy to drag his butt out at 400 am to wait in the long lines to get gas like the rest of us !
I'd hate to be the guy in an EV that ran out of juice on a remote highway. With an EV, you can't just walk to the nearest station and back with a can.
This is a lie. I guarantee you 3 months of no charging wouldn't kill an EV. It MIGHT cause a bit of degradation, but never kill it. Especially if it's a stable lithium iron phosphate chemistry. Get back on your meds grandpa.
@@dr.elvis.h.christ Sure can, buy a generator at homedepot
@@spacebound1969 No lie , the vehicle was 2 years old and he ran the car until it was almost fully discharged and then it sat for 2 months flat and the dealer told him that the core was damaged and needed to be replaced or low voltage would damage the car further , he told me this himself so is he lying along with his dealership ? I might be a proud grandpa who loves his wife , children and grandchildren but no lier , oh and by the way I don’t need or take meds and perfectly healthy thank you !
Just to play devils advocate, there were some people with EVs in Ukraine that were able to get around because the power grid was still up but gas stations were not being refueled. 🤷
Electric vehicles are a status symbol for the rich and powerful to show how much more moral they are compared to the proles.
And that's why this show how public transportation is the best solution to tackles climate change and threat of resource shortage.
Or choose an ebike...they dont cost much. Keep your car too. Just dont use the car all the time...
thats one why of looking at it. it tells me all i need to know about them.
@@forestcityfishing4749 Maybe you need a gasoline powered bike, instead?
@@williemherbert1456
There is no climate change,and certainly not an emergency.
It's a scam and the same idiots who fell for the "covid" and Ukraine ones are the ones falling for the current "thing" yet again.
Unfortunately, this is one of those situations where people have so much invested emotionally and financially that they'll never admit they're wrong.
You are so right, but right about gasoline.
@@justsomeguy934 Nope just about human psychology it's on both sides of this issue.
I've seen people convince that liquid fuels will be a thing of the past very soon, until you point out there are no electric jet engines.
*exactly...they will cling to their delusions of of a totally green utopia and call you a racist for not thinking the same way*
@@ghz24 there are no space ships with wings, either; does that prove airplanes are useless?
@@justsomeguy934 What does that have to do with liquid fuels?
The space shuttle had wings so that's a double wtf.
I don't dislike electric cars or think them useless I just don't think it's feasable for everyone everywhere.
How energy efficient is this car if you don't own a garage and live in Minnesota?
The house is insulated and efficient but having to heat the battery as well as charge it when the temperature drops to 10 or 15 below zero Fahrenheit and the wind is blowing.
How much electricity is needed to just keep the battery warm in case you need to use it?
How much range will it have in the freezing rain heating the cabin and keeping the windshield clear of ice?
How much of the battery is used while it's parked at work for 8 or 10 hours draining the battery to keep the battery warm?
Used car market? The many people that can't afford new cars?
I just see lots of issues that seem to be ignored by the ban internal combustion engine/ electrify everything crowd.
I read the book "COBALT RED" about cobalt mining in the congo and its the most disturbing thing ive ever heard of.
Why do you way that
This and more needs to be shouted from the mountain tops. I have lived with a non grid tie solar power system for 25years. I know what batteries can and cannot do and much of what comes from the political class is completely ignorant, uninformed nonsense. There are a lot of limitations and a limited life to all types of battery packs. Keep sending out the message.
Anyone who wants to see a reduction in carbon emissions needs to travel less and buy less. Electric cars would not be the answer; bikes may well be the answer, as well as just living closer to work, recreation, and shopping.
I live in a very blue state (MD), but it's impossible to do any basic function of life without getting into the car. It's dangerous to use bikes where I live; I'd really enjoy biking more places and my kids would love the chance.
I don't pretend to be an advocate of carbon reduction or climate change; I drive a fair amount and we did choose our house and its many benefits. But I'm just pointing out that EV's are not an answer, and if anti-carbon politicians were serious they'd be altering the roads to make more room for safe biking and walking.
Have you tried lifepo4 batteries yet? They're much better than lithium ion and deep cycle acid batteries... Don't be looking at the world through tunnel vision or a 25 year old view...
If public transportation was ramped up with subways and light rails with plenty of convenient stops people would not need cars. NYC kind of has it but the infrastructure is getting old.
@@moabman6803 I wouldn't want to live anywhere modeled off NYC. I live in the suburbs and I don't have to drive anywhere day to day; it's completely possible to build a walkable/bikeable city without cramming everyone into a hellhole like NYC.
@@Thanatos2996 Some areas of NYC are nice, some aren't. The point is public transportation is easy to access and faster than driving your own car. Is everything NYC has great? No. But it has systems that can be utilized and developed
John Stossel is so underrated.
By whom?
Under appreciated is not underrated
Elon Musk is a con artist
The truth is underrated.
The RUclips algorithm makes sure of that, they don't want the sheep to stray away from their endless stream of TikTok shorts
I have been driving a electric Ford Transit since July. I live in Pa..normal miles per charge in warm weather is 163 miles that is good for are deliveries. Now that the temperature is dropping down to low 30’s the miles per charge went down to 124 miles per charge. That’s a big difference. I can’t believe what it will be went it winter time cold.
In the future traveling to different cities will be exclusively for the rich/connected. Just like the Soviet system...
I live in PA also, just outside Reading. Last night was the was the first night below freezing. It will be interesting to see what your truck does when you have to defrost windows and keep the heat on when it is 20 out. When you say 124 miles do you mean till the battery is completely out or is it at the 30% mark where they tell you to charge to make the battery last longer?
I said this about cold weather and also long unforeseen traffic jams, including in darkness where legally need to keep lights on and to have the heater on to keep warm. I was shouted down by EV owners and some EV supporters.... on a you tube comments section
Try the metrics after not using the ev car for a month. Big difference too
@@anthonyspadafora1384 I lose 10-15 miles out of 45 miles on my 2015 VOLT in extreme cold. But, at least the engine is there to help with heat. Full EV makes no sense to me. PHEV is the best concept modeled after VOLTEC.
California has something called a "flex alert". This occurs on hut summer days and hot temperatures where they ask us to stop using major appliances between 3 an 9 PM.
So WTF are we supposed to do when we get home from work and cannot charge the car to go out.
Wait, what if I am in an apartment building with 500 apartments? Who is going to foot the bill to install all the chargers? Can you imagine what that will do to rents?
I have a 60 year old house and I know it will be over $10,000 to upgrade the electrical to support a charger. Who is going to pay for that?
And . . . what are we going to due with all those worn out batteries in about 10 years?
ps ev's get 4 miles per kilowatt, thats more then a dollar to take it 10 miles.... gas would make it almost 80 miles for that much..... so no they arent cost affective to anyone but the seller Its a scam....
@@HarmonRAB-hp4nkyour math doesn't add up. Where can you purchase gasoline so cheaply to drive 80 miles per dollar? I pay 7kwh/$ at home and therefore 28 miles per dollar on my plug in hybrid.
They cant be recycled because of high labor involved.
@@kng128 Yes, the math is wrong but *Scam Alert:* Energy to charge as well as the chargers to charge EV's is subsidized buy the greenies in the government. The cost is exponitialy higher that anyone realizes.
@@HarmonRAB-hp4nk Gasoline: $5 per gallon. I get 20 miles to the gallon. $1 of gas is 1/5 of the gallon. 1/5*20 = 4 miles per dollar.
For the more efficient newer cars maybe 40 miles to the gallon. 1/5*40 = 8 miles to the dollar.
Best if you go back to school and learn a bit of math.
BTW, it is still a scam because they do not include in the calculation that the battery will need to be replaced in about 10 years and estimates are between $15k and $25k.
In addition: EV chargers and charging is subsidized by the feds and some states to hide the real cost.
It's not that most people don't know these things, it's that they don't WANT to know them. This is a huge difference.
I'm so glad to see your channel blowing up John! You're changing the world one video at a time! Feels like 1 million subscribers are right around the corner now, keep it up!
I agree. John's career trajectory finds himself moving up and up. I remember when he was doing LibertyPen videos back in the day. It's nice to see his independent journalistic mission working out well for him.
We’re no more ready to go all electric than we are to start letting cars drive themselves. People get all caught up in the idea of these things but ideas and realities are different things.
We have no choice, We have to stop burning all this fossil fuel! Not only is it catastrophic to the environment, it’s expensive!
most of the electric car fad has more to do with tax evasion than anything else, just follow the money trail.
Depends where you live. In Norway last year, less than 10% of new car sales were IC engines
@@marviwilson1853 That is good to see and im not against electric cars i just dont believe the current lithium battery design of power is the right way to go. there are better options out there, but currently to much money is being made from lithium.
I have a Tesla and it drives itself?
98% of E/V's are still on the road...the other 2% made it to their destination...🙄
Many facts are inconvenient these days. Thanks for the report.
Either the market works, or governments try to force people to do things that are against the market and bad for consumers. I remember when they planned to ban the sale of incandescent bulbs in favor of the energy efficient compact fluorescent bulbs. I'm not clear on what happened after that, but fortunately, CFLs and LED bulbs got much better over time and became economically competitive, too. But you can still buy incandescent bulbs if you want, and they're still plentiful on the shelves right next to the CFLs and LEDs.
I don't think it's quite that simple.
That said, the government doesn't always work either.
CFLs are awful. Mercury hazard, they take minutes to warm up in cold weather, and they aren't particularly bright.
@@dafunkmonster Actually the brightness of CFLs is pretty good now, but otherwise I agree--the mercury especially bothered me. That's why I switched to LED bulbs when they were improved.
You can still buy incandescent bulbs at ten times the cost, you can still buy cigarettes too, 10 bucks a pack
@@rogerthomas169 imagine what that says about the dude sitting in the lazy boy smoking while watching FOX NEWS under his incandescent lights
Glad more people are pointing this out.
I'm glad more people are pointing this out too as I love a good fictional story. Sadly nothing of this report was scientifically accurate. But I love a good story and a good laugh
@@paulevans7560 ah yes, very compelling.
@Paul Evans
lol
So we should have given up on internet when it was dial up super slow internet? Just thought of the inconveniences and not tried to improve the technology? Same with electric energy. Why shojld we keep digging for energy when we can eventually invent some type of factory that just makes energy. Whatever that new method is, we have to invest to make things better. Just like the internet and electricity.
So we should have given up on internet when it was dial up super slow internet? Just thought of the inconveniences and not tried to improve the technology? Same with electric energy. Why shojld we keep digging for energy when we can eventually invent some type of factory that just makes energy. Whatever that new method is, we have to invest to make things better. Just like the internet and electricity.
One thing I’ve noticed is that if you are a renter and don’t live in a fairly recently built complex (my case apartments around 1000/1400 charging at home is not a possibility. Only for the wealthy at the moment.
I interviewed a top energy expert on my home page vid. This expert warns that EV conversion will not happen and oil can never be replaced.
The green movement hasn't actually reduced pollution. They've just pushed some of it out of sight and out of mind.
... into someone else's yard.
Is there any way possible for people to stop calling CO2 a pollutant? It is not.
That's called "NIMBYism".
actually from what I've read they made it worse. example: there is at least one power station in calif. that would actually be more efficient if they just burned the diesel in a generator to make power than using the diesel to keep the generator hot so that when the sun comes out the solar mirrors can actually make power instead of warming up for 5 hours.
also, electric cars are worse than gas cars to 100,000 mlles? ok, how many are at or going to pass 100,000miles?
The child labourer scene broke my heart.
You should stop buying oil then. LFP batteries for EVs contain zero cobalt and the EV batteries that do contain cobalt now source it ethically - but cobalt has been used in oil refining with no regard for source for decades.
@@HorribusAT How do you know it is sourced ethically? Who actually verifies it? How easy is it to cheat the system and use child labor anyways?
Same kids are diggin lithium for your cell phone battery and your laptop battery. How broken is your heart now? Don't look into who is really making those Nike shoes either if child labor is concerning to you.
Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.
@Blackout____ not one? Not even the ones that aren't in the Congo? Man you're ignorant.
I see a lot of the big wind turbine blades being trucked thru my area, lot's of support vehicles, plus the giant rig that's the prime mover. All the work done to prepare the site, all that concrete and steel, the cranes involved, all the labor, the excavation and the machines to do it, the lube oil in the gearboxes, the polymers the blades are made of, all made possible by good old OIL!
And don't forget the non-recyclable and non-renewable blades.
I don't remember what they're made of some type of composite I believe but I saw that all they can do is put them in landfills because they can't recycle them.
I don't know that what I saw is 100% true.
proper use for it. note that burning it all up is not proper use.
@@infomanblog500 I'd love to see a broken down graph of some sort, showing how much oil it takes to build and install a large wind turbine. Including all the little things, like the gas burned by the people making and erecting them while driving to work, the diesel needed to operate some of the largest cranes in the world to erect them, the fuel needed to make those big crane in the first place, the concrete readymix truck's fuel, the making of the cement and all the tons of steel (all that steel and concrete buried and non recyclable) and finally the fuel needed to decommision them as they reach their useful lifespan. All of that as compared to how much energy the turbine produces whiles it up and running. BTW, I have had small wind turbines providing some my electrical needs for the last 40 years, but I have no illusions about them providing "free" energy.
Those big wind generators are a fluke ecologically. They just don't want us to believe that.
@@portnuefflyer indeed, it's all a sham, smoke and mirrors, all provided by those WOKE idiots who believe the fairy tales they were told by the WEF.
Not only is there a bigger initial cost to own an EV. Be advised that states are not just going to sit back and give up their gasoline tax revenue. EV owners will be forced to subsidize gasoline usage.
From InsideEVs, Jun 07, 2023
Some states are requiring electric vehicle owners to pay extra registration fees as part of a move to recoup lost revenue on gas taxes. In one state, a new senate bill requiring added costs for EV registration is set to become effective on September 1, and 32 other states feature similar fees.
It's almost like the whole move to electrical, and the whole green movement as a whole, is about looking and sounding nice rather than having any genuinely meaningful impact. Remember people, looking like you're doing good is more important than actually doing any if you want to be elected, both through voting on a ballot and voting with a wallet.
The Dem playbook.
Unless of course Stossel is lying to you and you are just taking his word for it rather than looking into it yourself. Wouldn't that suck to be so easily fooled?
Yeeeeeeeessssss!!!!!!
Now you get it. Today's Dems have no common sense. They think they're the smartest person in the room. So they are all in on the EV scam.
@@Athoughtfulatheist he's not lying. I've been following the EV fraud since the beginning. It'll never be sustainable in the real world.
there was an interesting study that was shared on a TED talk about the true cost of Electric vs Hybrid vs Gasoline and how many miles one would have to drive to truly be good for the enviroment. It was very eye opening.
If I remember correctly, to equal a gas car environmentally an EV has to drive over 80,000 miles. Only then on is it better for the environment. Oh and remember that as of now, the battery still has to be replaced every 15-20 years.
Yup, it was a great video. Right now the way to go is hybrid. It is kind of amazing the ignorance people have when it comes to electric vehicles.
@@Grifter371 actually, the ignorance of ppl vis a vis electric vehicles is not so surprising. Ppl are generally ignorant of most things going on in the world. Shiny stuff is what affects most ppl. Ignorance is bliss. As they say.
@@masonhock6442 batteries can be RECYCLED that’s the difference gas is a one time usage and it’s a FINITE RESOURCE
@@MiaSoreryOF no they can. These things end up in landfills. Not even Tesla wastes the money trying. Its like regular recycling. Too expansive/energy, no return
Absolutely brilliant! This should be shown to everyone.
Pity it was all lies, you cant stop progress
Especially Gavin Newsom...
Steve. Sorry for the snarky reply. Please tell me what you think the lies are. I like to hear both sides and EV’s are an interesting subject.
🤣yeah, brilliant
You will end up paying a fortune for electricity. The energy bill for my house was over $600! It was much lower well before electric cars came onto the road.
These so-called politicians and activists want us to be poor I guess.
It's basically ramping up the same logic behind recycling your plastic in a separate lil container. It's meant to make you feel good about yourself for doing something nice for the planet, even if you really aren't.
Try to see where we are in 10 years instead.
try to see where all the batteries end up, right in landfills with all their toxic properties.
@@scotttild eeh, no, they contain valuable materials that will absolutely not go to landfills. It will be reused.
@@scotttild false again. You morons just keep repeating demonstrably false information. Turn off the meme news.
The scariest words ever spoken: "The government has a vision..."
The environmental impact is staggering. All that mining all that waste which digs 500 thousand pounds of material to make one battery.
Verify that number? Mining is required for everything we do and batteries will be treated as high grade ore, endlessly recycled. No need for damned mandates, the market will kill off ICE based on simple economics, can't compete with 125MPGe and far simpler machinery. 1/4 the operating cost, BEVs will soon be the poor mans choice.
I still love my old 3-pedal BMW V8, bit of a petrolhead, but it's delusional to think they will be built much longer.
@@Mrbfgray well yeah, even if we weren’t changing to EVs for the environment, I believe we would eventually move to something more efficient than an ICE.
@@Mrbfgray He won't verify it cause he can't. Besides, considering a battery pack for a Tesla weighs 1k or 2k pounds, that's not a terrible material usage rate. You have to dig up more than you get for any metal
@@nickbono8 VASTLY more efficient. This vid is as much propaganda as anthropocentric climate alarmism is. Countering emotional arguments of one side (climate alarmism) with equally unfounded arguments from another angle is just DUMB.
@@Mrbfgray Bingo. This is why I can't fucking stand conservatives just as much as I can't stand progressives. Each side is more than happy to fill you up with bullshit propaganda, you just get to choose which color of propoganda you get!
If the Corrupt Democrats buy me an Electric car, maybe I’ll drive it. But I’ll never buy one.
Why do you way that?
Volvo did a study that found an EV has to travel 90K miles to offset the pollution from manufacturing the battery, and by then it’s due for a new battery 😂
Don't forget the cost as well. Electric and hybrid vehicles are still much more expensive than their gasoline-only counterparts. ROI can easily be 7-8 years so they don't make much sense from a financial standpoint either.
I have nothing against electric cars per se, but don't force them on us.
Tesla warranties it's batteries for 150k miles. Companies use mean time to failure when designing warranty periods, so chances are the battery will last longer than that.
@@holycrapchris Model S/X: 8 years or 150,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.
Model 3 Rear-Wheel Drive: 8 years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.
Model 3/Y: 8 years or 120,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.
@valcaron Volvo is Latin for, I roll".
@@holycrapchris That is a battery retention warranty, which only guarantees 70% retention. That means if your Tesla goes from 272 miles of theoretical range at full charge to 190.5 miles at any time in the warranty period, even if its a day after you bought it, Tesla won't help you.
If you grew up in the 1960s, you remember that most houses had oil burners for heat. Then came electric heat, where toaster-like coils replaced hot water pipes in every room. I remember that electric heat fell out of favor almost instantly once the astronomical cost was exposed. The drivers of electric cars don't feel the cost pinch because electric cars are heavily subsidized by taxpayers.
You do realize that oil burners still suck right? In fact how much do they (electric baseboards) cost to install and maintain? I mean every heating system has it's strength's and drawbacks. It's like baseboards only go in the hundreds of dollars and new furnace you can just assume is at least 10k. Gas forced air isn't so bad but oil sucks. Plus it's really fair to say it's not a one size fits all for every dwelling. I mean do you really want a 10k furnace for a smaller home or say 1br apt?
@@deanpruit4216
Where do you think that overpriced electricity is coming from?
Wind farms and solar cells? LOL
Most of it is from coal powered plants.
Sure, electric heat sounds great until you get "The Rest of the Story".
You can buy smaller systems for those houses and apartments, and those electric baseboard heaters are not very efficient (per the Department of Energy).
Their only upside is they are comparatively inexpensive, and can be used for zoned heating (but so can the others if properly set up), but their upside can quickly become a downside if your house isn't well insulated.
We had and have gas heat
@waltzsofa1602Then move to a warmer region.
@@marktwain2053 coal is not the main source of power in the U.S.. by a large margin.
Don't forget about the cost of comfort in an electric car. If you need air conditioning in the summer or heat in the winter, you pay the price of reduced mileage. ICE vehicles produce heat and that can be used to warm you, electric vehicles don't and must generate it by using up the batteries. Imagine getting stuck in a snow storm and the batteries, which work like crap in the cold anyway, run out of power.
A common complaint is 'weak A/C' because they need to use very efficient A/C systems otherwise they would lower the mileage even more. A basic portable A/C for your home can use 1500W easily
Yes, the heat is free in an ICE engine because they are so inefficient.
Shhh, you're using logic and facts which contradict leftists ideologies and beliefs.
Heaven forbid you should try to pull any sort of trailer! Even a modest load cuts range in half.
there is ever increasing mileage from better and better batteries. this is just year 1 technology. gas cars are at the end of technological advancement, gas cars are on year 100.
eventually batteries will carry at least 5x length than most economical car can go... the switch will be a no-brainer... the batteries also work fine in cold, i live in finland with -40 celsius winters. they shield the batteries from cold, insulate them.
Each 1000 lb battery costs more than 1000 barrels of oil to manufacture and operate. Carbon dioxide isn't a pollutant plants thrive on it
I’ve been saying these things for years. I’m nowhere near genius status. Yet there are so very many people who NEVER give much thought beyond the Kardashians, American Idol or what shoes are on sale at the local mall.
One thing people forget about when talking about how good electric cars are for the environment is the environment. Pretty much all the ranges quoted for cars, before they have to recharge, are based on you using nothing but the drive. If you live in colder areas you need to have heat and in areas further south you're going to need to use air conditioning. The range being promised are about as realistic as government quoted mileages for gas cars.
Cold weather definitely reduces EV range, but it also reduces ICEV range. Use of AC doesn't affect range much, at least if you aren't driving 75. On those hot summer days, I routinely exceed the EPA mileage estimates.
It is like the way you use the car makes more difference than anything else.
@@scottm8579 A hybrid only uses the battery in limited situations: starting from a stop and sometimes with acceleration. The batteries are very small and aren't meant to power the car for other than a short distance. If you run out of gas and try to run a hybrid on just the battery, you will brick the car and a technician will have to reset it before it will run again. A hybrid primarily helps in city driving where it can recharge when slowing down and then draw on the small battery when starting off, and that's mostly it. Only a PHEV is designed to run in pure EV mode until the battery is mostly depleted before switching to gas mode.
Cold impacts the most -- EVs love heat. AC is cheap to run compared to heat. As for charging, well I plug in every 3 days and pull power from my roof. No gas stations needed, no fast chargers needed. The only thing better than being able to refill one's vehicle w/ 250+ miles of range nightly will occur when battery tech matures better and it becomes 400+ miles / night charging.
@@slydog7131 Are You talking about using an EV deal or ICE? Pls explain about the COLD weather on an ICE?
The other problem with EV's is our power grid cant support a growing electric consumption, you get alot of people
charging their cars at the same time, you'll have to spend more money, more resources to upgrade the infrastructure
that will support the volume.
As more EV's are being used eventually so does the infrastructure have
to be upgraded to support it, the demand from those nuclear, coal, and other sources of energy to create electricity
will cost more, so if you think about it, to charge your ev the cost will rise based on the volume of people demanding it.
Looking forward to part two. My friend lives in a subdivision in which EV owners have to schedule charging with each other because the power infrastructure in the area can’t handle the load.
Sounds like a bread line😅
Wow! As they use less power than an oven, that seems like complete BS. Unless you've been oven scheduling too?
@@DeputyNordburg less than an oven? Isn't a Tesla 50kw 😂😂 an oven is 0.5-2kw
@@curtsk19 Facts are a Bi***.
@@curtsk19 OMG you think an oven has batteries? Just how short is the school bus that picks you up?
Wake up sleepy, an electric oven has a 50A connection, a Tesla has a 32A charger.
A fair question is how electric cars compare to internal combustion cars as far as environmental impact on manufacturing. Both use copper iron and plastics I know the batteries in electric cars used alot of lithium and such so what is the numbers? Also the cost of electric vehicles is to much for the average person as well as the infrastructure what do you do on long trips? I think the best way to do this is let the free market decide.
for now the affordability is a case by case basis. where i live electricity is cheap not even 8cents a kwh. ev's are allowed in carpooling lanes and tolled bridges are free for ev's. just the bridge that i take everyday saves me 7$ a day. after 2 years the brakes are still at 90%. gas is currently 1.88 a litre. Where i live you pretty much have to be an idiot to buy an ice (if ur driving consists of the average commute)
It makes more sense when you realize that their true objective is to immobilize us.
If you want electric...fine, buy it...But don't force it!! I totally agree.
cost is lower than normal cars while the price of electric cars are way too high right now
@@gargalash9191 mind sharing where you live, though? eastern Canada, maybe? your description best suits Ontario. however, keep in mind that a politically motivated, deliberate making of electric cars appealing to the consumer has its limits. once too many cars are electric, all these incentives gonna vanish again. but yes, to whether it's actually reasonable very strongly depends on location. but what you certainly can't bet on is the stability of your electricity price. with more and more cars going electric and simultaneously phasing out fossil fuels for energy production, prices will increase significantly (five times and over) in order to meet a new equilibrium. when one buys an electric car, all's fine .. but when everyone drives electric vehicles, you need about double the electricity (this isn't a guess, even when it sounds like one; it's three times current production when you look into electrifying commercial vehicles too.) yes, this will then significantly alter everything. and this is what you need to keep in mind. so, to secure your advantage, you should just everyone tell not to buy electric vehicles. if you're not that selfish, then you actively help sinking the boat, so to speak.
Thanks, John. Your work has contributed more common sense than anyone I've known or seen in this age of nonsense fostered by greed.
Pity it was all lies, you cant stop progress
Project Veritas is doing great factual reporting too. PV and John Stossel are the only honest reporters I know of thesedays.
@@stevehayward1854 tell us one lie that was said
@@joshuaborem7063 that EV manufaturing uses child labor and refining gasoline doesnt (well, at least he was silent on the subject)..
All manufacturing causes damage to the environment. We have to see the overall net effect. Otherwise, we all go back and live in cave.. And that too you need to burn wood.
@@joshuaborem7063
impossible, because there were none! but Steve *feeeels* like they're lies and that's enough for him - facts, data, evidence and the truth are entirely irrelevant to sheeple
My friend bought a $105,000 Tesla. It was So Cool until Winter. She parked in the garage and traded it in the Spring. She also didn't like All the Odd Tesla Fan Boys at the Charging station. She tried to use the recharging time to do Work. But All these Odd Balls wanted to Talk endlessly about Teslas.
I interviewed a top energy expert on my home page vid. This expert warns that EV conversion will not happen and oil can never be replaced.
Fart huffers.
@@marywallace4124 how does that coincide with my home page vid?
Keep educating us john! Thank you for all the work you do. Virtually no one that I know has any inkling about how polluting electric cars are!
The break even point is actually around 30K and 3 years... and this doesnt even take into account the longevity and replacement costs of batteries vs a new car after 10-15 years.
There's a good reason that only you have this in inkling, because you're probably a bit slow at catching on, compared to the people that you know. Please educate yourself, and stop sniffing gas.
@@feger481 please educate us slow people. I am serious.
@@jimwagnerclips Okay then. For starters, Tesla Solar installed on rooftops, generates more electricity then all the Tesla vehicles out there, consume in charging them. Regarding battery life. All new Tesla battery packs are rated to last at least a million miles, which will easily outlast the life of the car. Recycling automotive battery packs, are an industry unto themselves. Battery recycling, which presently operates at a 95% efficiency, from my latest sources, can infinitely reuse the elemental commodities for manufacturing new batteries. There are multiple battery technologies being researched by hundreds of companies around the world, and their efficiency is only improving day by day. Please feel free to check my facts. Every major car manufacturer has conceded to the eventual domination of electric vehicles. They of course will not promote their course of direction publicly, seeing as they do not want to be a victim of the Osborne effect. Hopefully, I've given you some information, that will help you evolve a more accurate perception, of the significant change coming to the transportation industry. Definitely for the better!
@@feger481 most people can’t see what’s in front of them. They will see videos from the mainstream like this one and do 0 research and just assume they are correct because it’s to much work to look into the real research and understand scale, s curves and disruptive tech. For the few that do see and understand it they will find great investment opportunities
I pray this video reaches a billion sets of eyes.
Thanks again John, your work is so very important and appreciated!
Pity it was all lies, you cant stop progress
@@stevehayward1854 The Stossel video was all lies? What, specifically, was a lie?
@@wr82 They may not have specifically lied directly however their arguments are simplistic, contrived and distorted. The data is cherry-picked to suit. This is a journey TO fixing the problem, not an instant fix. Without the pressure of competition that Elons companies bring we would still be where we were ten or twenty years ago.
@@adamporetti5983 Got it. You said the video "was all lies" but now you say it isn't.
@@wr82 it’s full of lies by omission, read my post.
I hope that your part 2 covers what these EVs will do to the low income people who purchase used cars. Unlike gasoline cars, by the time the average owner is through with them, the EVs will need to have their battery replaced. Currently this can cost up to $20K. Even with prices coming down, costs of replacement batteries for the next decade are not projected to go below $5K. Add thousands of dollars for a new battery to the price of a used car... and that used EV has just been priced out of the range of the low income used car buyer.
I agree
Tesla batteries are lasting about 300k miles before having to be replaced, some are getting as many as 500k miles. Many used cars are bought with 20k, 30k, 50k miles on them. Cost of replacing a battery really isn't that big of a deal.
Less people having car is better for enviroment
@@JeffLandauer Tesla? LOL Low income people will not be buying a Tesla with 50K miles on it. The Car and Driver article I read said that the moderately priced EV batteries should last at least 100K which is what the warranty usually covers. My wife works with a non-profit and deals with many low income folks. They usually can only afford something like a 10 year-old vehicle ...and 100K miles is usually their STARTING point.
@@JeffLandauer That theoretical 300,000 miles is based on a recommended charging cycle that limits charging to 60% of the total usable capacity, but few people will actually keep to that charging cycle.
In reality, it's better to measure based on the number of total cycles. For Tesla, they estimate 1,500 cycles before the battery is out of spec. For few people, that means upwards of 300,000 miles over the life, or 200 miles per charge. But for many people, that might be as little 60,000 miles, or 40 miles per charge.
This is particularly true for people who do not follow the recommend charging cycle framing. If you do a lot of fast charging and discharging, regularly exceed the charging limit recommendation, and if you live in an extreme climate, you'll wear the battery out faster.
Also, it's not just about lasting. With modern lithium technology, a battery could last 300,000 miles or more, but the issue isn't how long it lasts, it's degradation. Even if a battery could last 300,000, the battery might be too degraded to be practical well before then. That's the real issue. Tesla has a 8 year warranty on degradation, but that only guarantees a 70% retention. That means if your brand new Tesla goes from 272 miles of estimated rage to 190.5 miles, Tesla won't help you, even if the drop in range happens the day after you buy it.
One of the problems I have with electric is that they don't survive into the used car market very long. Many Americans cannot afford a new car,and don't qualify for loans to but them. Many of these people rely on cheaper, older used cars. Plenty of used car lots have 15-20+ year old vehicles for sale that are still in service. So far, the battery is very expensive to replace in any electric car, and no matter how well you treat it, it isn't projected to last that long. Nobody can or should justify spending 10k or 15k on a battery for a car worth 5k. In my opinion, in the long run, this makes the electric car extremely disposable and horribly wasteful.
That’s what I’m hearing. These electric cars will have very little resale value, because of the limited lifespan of the battery.
I agree very much with you, there.
And when all manufactures have nothing But electric cars on their lineup they're gonna realize how screwed they are when no one's gonna buy because they already know that it's not going to be worth it 2 years down the road when the battery degeneration kicks in
@@shastaweston And it looks like Toyota is already there. The last time I went to the local dealer, everything was either hybrid or electric.
@@davidadams165 Toyota is actually one of the companies that wants to stop this whole electric bs based on how hard it is to manufacture
At the local charging station there’s a diesel generator running behind the bushes....LMAO
😂🤦🏻♀️ and yet, some geniuses don't even notice
Doubt it.
Lots of charging stations have diesel generators for backup power.
My heart broke when I saw that little boy being yelled at in the rain with no shoes. 😞 I’m not always grateful for what I have until I see something like this, then I remember how fortunate I really am.
i thought i was the only one that had that reaction!
I have a son near his age, makes me feel very bad. Pretty much killed my enthusiasm for a electric car.
This kind of news or footage needs to be on TV.
@@LittleMopeHead agreed, but not a chance. It doesn’t fit the narrative being put out by the MSM.
Propaganda
HI. Should show is how electric cars don't work. No power to charge them. Some states already are having blackouts.
Changes happen naturally, if the government has to force them (by banning combustion engines for example) it could mean that the society is not ready for the change or sees something the government doesn't
Yup. You don't need to compel a good idea.
Correct, the federal government is only good for war, and making laws. They have no business forcing people to purchase anything, like health insurance, schooling, electric cars, etc ...
Which is why the free market is already causing EVs to take over.
Government meddling always has negative unintended consequences. Always.
government gives 500 bil annually to oil industry
Careful John, the electric car fan club are a devoted bunch and several will get testy and borderline hostile
Everyone who is a fan of anything is devoted.. And any fan will defend the thing they are a fan of with a level of hostility... However, there are also people on this very planet that could say nothing about a particular demographic but choose to anyway with a level of mockery and sarcasm...
Hmm maybe because despite the good arguments, we still have to move in the direction of Electrification. Yall think that the legacy autos would ever? Nope
@@1Snouser have to move in the direction of electrification? Why is that?
@@generalzod7959 Because in the eventuality that nuclear and renewables own more of the grid, and the cost of gas keeps rising, and that many homes/apt units will have home battery/solar, they are the p clear choice. Why do you think EV models of manufacturers hold their price so much better than their counterpart
What most people don’t understand about the grid is that it’s not just an issue of supply, but rather what the grid can actually handle. Much of the wiring strung across the country was done in an era when most people only used electricity for lighting. (Hence the reason many local electric companies were called the “Light Company.”) The demands of the modern home with electric appliances, furnaces, and clothes dryers, let alone multiple TVs and other electronics, are already taxing the infrastructure. If and when we start adding millions of cars to the load the problem will become more apparent.
Not really. That bridge was already crossed with modern heat and AC. The additional load to charge a car is really not that great. Assuming the average car goes 15k miles a year, that's 41 miles a day. The average EV uses .346 kWh per mile. So that's 14.35 kWh of electricity per day. That's the equivalent of running a 1500w space heater for 9.5 hours. The power companies are more than capable of meeting that kind of extra load, especially as the ramp up to all EVs is going to be gradual (20+ years at least). And EVs will likely become more efficient over time, just as ICE engines did.
my friend who works for the electric company in a rural area disagrees with your assessment of the grid.
Most people don't understand that the grid can handle far more than you will ever use in the middle of the night when TVs and other electronics are not running. That is when most EVs charge and thus balance the grid. And if millions of EVs got V2L, they can even feed back into the grid during peak hours, thus further balancing the grid.
@@wgemini4422 that may be true in areas where the cables have been upgraded over the years. But there are vast areas where the wires were hung in the 1940's. The grid isn't prepared for the extra load.
@@meredithsdg There is no extra load. If the grid can handle the load at 7pm with AC/heating blasting, it can handle the load at 11pm with the EVs charging. EVs don't draw more power than your typical high powered appliances like a furnace or an AC. The other thing is you really should have solar panels on every roof, then the grid wouldn't even be a factor. You would think a so called libertarian would support a decentralized power scheme rather than relying on government controlled oil and gas infrastructure.
"We will ban the sales of gas cars by 2025 and we will also ban electricity that same year!!"
You know you're dealing with grifters, scammers and liars when they won't even debate or even acknowledge your arguments.
It’s hard to argue for electric cars as there is so many holes in the argument for them…
They are NO way green…
No matter how they spin the story
Look at the cold hard facts and all the magic disappears
Indeed.
What arguments that involve facts actually benefit electric ?
My own experience is nerds are totally sold and maybe car enthusiasts but not mechanically inclined
@@kickassprankstaz I would call your observation correct ✅
It’s just a fad thing and has no advantages for the environment despite what the fanatics say
They only want to look at things through rose coloured glasses
When the facts are analysed things fall apart rapidly
I suspect they will be the next betacord … great in some people’s eyes 👀
But who is going to pay for the recycling at end of life …
The yuppies that buy these things will have long moved on and as usual will wash their hands of responsibility
@@batmanlives6456 they are greener than combustion engines. This is demonstrable from looking at emissions from the tailpipe and even upstream during manufacturing and energy. There are sites that break down the figures. The problem here is you're listening to a guy who is a climate change denialist and isn't burdened by evidence or adherence to facts.
This is a GREAT video. I was aware of MOST of this information before I purchased my hybrid electric mini-van. The reason I bought it was not for the environmental reasoning but more so for the reduced cost of operation, at least, for right now. I also have solar on my house with a 12 kWhr battery that was also mined using fossil fuels too. I didn't get that to be "environmentally friendly" either. That was as a measure to fix my electric costs for the next 10 maybe 20 years and to be self sustaining in the event of prolonged power outages. I think that electric vehicles are only a PART of the solution for sustainability but not the only solution. I think there needs to be more HONEST dialog about sustainable energy systems, not political rhetoric and platitudes but honest, appraisals of the situation. Ultimately, encouraging the free market to find these solutions is the best for all of us.
honest dialogue? obviously you will never be a politician
me too I bought a electric car since I bought used at 17,000 canadian, and if I put just 100,000KM on it I would have saved more money in gas than the cost of the car. I live in alberta and we have so much coal power on the grid so I guess my car does nothing because currently I am charging at night when only coal power would be available.
if we want to get serious about reducing Co2 in Canada we need to start producing gravity based batteries to store energy created by solar, we have tons of space in canada so lots of room to make these but I don't even hear anyone talking about these issues.
Except it's not a great video. It's full of disinformation. John's "expert" is literally an investor in the oil and gas industry. But I'm very glad you have your hybrid vehicle and especially the solar and battery backup. If you got an EV or plug-in hybrid and used your solar to charge the battery, you'd bypass many of the criticisms raised in this video.
The environmentalists pushing this rhetoric are hypocritical like David Suzuki who own 7 homes including one in British Columbia that is like a mansion. How do he travel to his other homes. How do all the politicians pushing clean air travel, you got it, they fly and not with a plane full of people but with a very small few. How many times a year do they fly to other countries, at least once a month and that doesn’t’t include their shorter 3-4 hr flights throughout the month. This agenda is not about the environment it is about controlling freedom to travel. If you buy an electric car, start saving for your batteries, apparently they only last three years and it costs $20,000.
@@derekandfarley three years? Good grief the ignorance here. Every EV sold has at least an 8 year battery warranty. The modern batteries are lasting a lot longer than that. Hell, mine is 4.5 years old so by your knowledge it should be dead. But when I charge to 100% it gives me the same range it did in 2018.
Good stuff. I think one of the major problems is when an entity says it has to be 100% this way or that way. Being free is about responsible choice for your situation. None of this is all that bad unless you are forced.
I agree! I have an electric bike & an electric golf cart, but I have them because I want them, not because I was forced to get them. Make me get one & I'm more obstinate than any old grizzled donkey.
@@Momcat2012 My buddy has an electric bike, I've ridden it a couple times just around the block, and it's so freaking rad. THAT is the kind of thing that, because of people like Elon and his push for Battery and E-Motor technology, we have seen massive strides in smaller scale things where Electric motors have a real advantage over mechanical. Same thing with all the people switching over to Electric Mowers and String Trimmers (Weedeater) and stuff. Like many things, energy and technology should be a diversified, multi-pronged approach. But instead, the simpletons on the left say, "EVERYTHING ELECTRIC NOW" without having any comprehension of what that actually entails.
Right, like seatbelts and traffic lights and air traffic control. Nobody should ever be forced to do anything. Excuse me, I just pooped myself in an expression of my freedom. That'll clean right up!
Capitalism bends and adapts to reality. Government edicts is more based on political opportunity.
@@andrew_owens7680 funny but I am not sure u noticed the context of the conversation. But feel free to not notice as an expression of your freedom.
Electric cars will keep people grounded in the range the car will go! Example! My gas powered car will take me from Tomball tx approximately 8hrs to Bonneville Arkansas, if I were to use a electric car it would take me approximately 16 hours to get there due to time to charge the car! If I can find a charge station, and if there's a wait.
I have to wonder, how many people that are driving around in their electric cars really think their cars are carbon neutral, when in reality, they’ve just exported their emissions to somebody else’s backyard.
@Brandon Lee Does that calculation include the mining and manufacturing process, and the child labor in the cobalt mines in Africa? It’s not my intention to discourage anyone from purchasing an EV, but I think they are far from green. And I don’t place a high priority on carbon emissions.
I guess the best way to say it is, EVs are an option in the modern auto market, and they should simply take their place alongside their gasoline and diesel powered cousins.
Yes because it's well known EVs only run off electricity generated by oil power stations right?
@@drxym Well actually, coal and natural gas, but essentially in the same class with oil.
@@davidadams165Yes and if people rambling on about UR COLL would stfu and let us take advantage of wind and solar power instead of making physics some idiotic woke cult thing and you would vote in people who would spend money modernising the grid, none of that would be an issue
@@davidadams165 Or.......wait for it.......SOLAR!! My neighbor runs his almost exclusively off his solar charging station that he installed in his garage using used solar panels that he picked up for a song and a dance. If electric cars do hit it big (who am I to say?) I can see chains of solar powered charging stations lining the highways, especially in remote areas.
Again, excellent reporting John. You always cover what's beyond the surface, and into the meat of any given subject.
An electrical expert who knows way more about it than I do said "If everyone in the USA went out and bought an EV tomorrow the power grid would collapse"
wouldn't even take that many really. Just a regional failure would knock out our grid. All fo he zones are interdependent. when one fails, the whole system has to respond by shutting down. Nobody really knows how a complete cold start would work. All the generator plants need to synchronize their AC power frequencies exactly or it doesn't work.
@@jamesnoord6295 Meanwhile everyone thinks Musk is Henry Ford
@@jamesnoord6295 It pisses me off that everyone is getting this false sense of security that EV's are going to solve all our problems.
Your electrical friend has a keen sense of the obvious. In 1940 had everyone went out and bought an air conditioner over night, the grid would of collapsed. (Not that it was fully functional grid at that time) Change takes time, it doesn't happen overnight.
@@1D10CRACY Total waste of time. Not practical. When there's a charging station at every gas station then i'll care.
I've been reading the 'truth' about E cars for quite a while, and It seems, that an Electric car in an eight year period causes more damage to the environment than a traditional petrol or diesel vehicle. The facts from this clip confirms that. These videos should be shown in schools. But the alarmists would not allow that.
I think the most environmentally friends way to own a car is whatever car you own, own it for a very long time.
Even better, go pick up a junker, and fix it up, Aren’t the hippies all about recycling?? I’ve got a nice ride thanks to the junkyard!! (Short videos on my channel, nothing really that current though)
Thank you, John, for exposing the false narratives that are being spewed on a daily basis.
Johny and his devil advocate’s brand of reporting never gets old.
Many of us have wondered when this foggy-headed of fantasy that would have used electricity (which is already expensive and in short supply demand-wise) would have been put to rest. I will happily agree that putting politicians in charge of things that are subject to the laws of physics is a VERY BAD practice. Time to get back to reality.
What is false????
The fact that your education probably cost more than your life is worth 😂😂😂😂
What false narrative did he expose?
I will walk before I buy an EV!
@Mike Brown Brainwashed people!
Short and sweet! Thank you.
Too bad people won’t listen ❤
The problem is that uneducated fools are listening. Fool.
"Willful ignorance of the truth" is the definition of a politician.
No.
Thanks, John. I didn’t jump on the electric car bandwagon as a social justice warrior. I bought it for economy. Some of us car people aren’t into politics. The main reason I own one is the simplicity of the car. In 8 years of ownership, I have replaced a 12 volt battery, and had 2 flat tires repaired. Period. End of story. No annual smog check, no oil changes, no muffler repair, brake jobs, no stolen catalytic converters, etc. My cost to operate (total) is 0.05¢ per mile.
Funny. Wait 'til your battery needs replacing. It's not like a gas powered car battery costing $100. It'll be more like $15,000! Come back, and we'll all talk then.
@@l.a.french3063 so his battery that’s doing just fine at 8 years (the end of the warranty period) is going to suddenly go poof and need replacing? I could just say wait’ll your engine or transaxle needs replacing, because nothing ever lasts beyond the warranty period. It would be as equally silly a statement.
@@l.a.french3063 I hear you. And am one step ahead of that. The battery replacement was $6,000 if I wanted it. I didn’t want it, and traded it in.
How about them Dodgers?!
@@Hogtown1986 Incorrect. Trans-axles and engines usually lasts the entire lifetime of a gas powered car. From what I've read and from empirical data, an E.V.'s battery only lasts about 7 or 8 years. And as I've stated, they are ridiculously expensive. Imagine paying $40,000 for a used 8 year old compact car. Not a good deal.