What's Inside This PATA SSD from Amazon?
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Thanks PCBWay.com - I spent way too much on a sketchy IDE SSD from Amazon. Is it really what it claims to be? And how does it compare to other SSD solutions for old IDE machines? Especially the open source @dosdude1 native IDE SSD?
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What a coincidence that the KingSpec drive uses the same chips I decided on. If I had to guess, the only reason it's slower is due to it only having one NAND chip installed, whereas my drive has 4 (for 256GB). Also, the SATA/mSATA SSDs all have DRAM cache on them, which makes the random tests way faster (hence the much higher scores). Unfortunately the SM2236 doesn't support DRAM cache, so I couldn't implement that in my design. That red SATA to IDE adapter you're using is special, in that instead of the garbage JMicron JM20330 SATA-IDE bridge IC that all the other adapters use, it uses a Marvell 88SA8040 or 88SA8052, which are WAY better, and faster in most cases (as shown here). At the end of the day, though, the native IDE drives like mine, the KingSpec, and IDE DOM will be compatible with a much wider array of systems than ANY SATA to IDE adapter.
Lastly, you are correct in that that Sonnet PCI-X card is not bootable. I did have a plan to attempt to write my own firmware for it to make it bootable, which I may start working on sometime soon.
You're a legend mate! The work you do is totally epic!
That's correct! The Kingspec drive is slower because all data is stored in one nand flash chip (with a limited IOPS). Just for data recovery purposes the Kingspec has more chances to a successful data recovery compared to your design because the controller stores the data in the flash chips like a RAID controller (a pain in the ass reconstruct the integrity of the data by hand).
yup
Thanks for developing these SSDs!
Rockstar!
Could the difference in speed between the DosDude and KingSpec SSDs be simply because your DosDude SSD has 256GB in 4 flash chips, vs 64GB in a single chip for the KingSpec? I reckon if you tested a 128GB or 256GB Kingspec its speed might be very similar.
Right you are.
yeah the controller manages the multiple chips in a somewhat parallel fashion
@@AlpineTheHusky parallel or interleaved ?
Yeah dosdude admits this in the pinned comment at the top. More is almost always better...
Main reason for dosdude’s SSD being faster than KingSpec is due to capacity, more precisely - number of NAND modules.
For example, if you’ll get two regular SATA SSDs, let’s say 128GB capacity, but one of them is made from one 128GB NAND and the other one is made out of two 64GB NANDs, the 2x64GB will be faster. Not by much, but it will be. That’s similar to the RAID 0 way of working. If you use two or more drives, speed increases. Same principle goes inside the drive itself. More NANDs equals more speed.
Simple yet amazing.
Love the t-shirt! :D
You seem to use the style of presentation I like, that "quasi bumbling" style also used by Technology Connections and Aging Wheels. Just a bit more camera shy. Subscribed! :)
Even in my Amiga 600 I notice a slight improvement from CF card adapter to SD card adapter, but the integrated IDE controller is pretty much maxed out at this point.
Yes.On the Amiga 600 and 1200, it is necessary to use an external controller on the accelerator and the built-in one is obsolete in data transfer speed.Although there are improvements to the controller that allows you to speed up work, but it is still difficult for him to compete with modern solutions. I also have an Amiga 1200 as a retro computer. You can put a Morph OS on the Power MAC hardware and run amiga applications.
Even today as a 29yr old i still have it on my list of things to do too build a normal pc inside a G4Tower case as it looks kinda easy to adapt.
making my 12yr old dream mac like pc build
He could do a slight redesign on that case by including a set of pegs in it so that he could fasten the board in place when they are snapped together.
Thing is, the marvel based ide to sata adapters are quite good, there are even variations for ODD support on slave via jumper. Anyway, the cheap solution with adapter and standard quality sata ssd will outperform any other solution, especially if the ssd isn't total garbage and has proper dram for block mapping and slc for burst writes. Add to that, modern ssds own internal garbage collection and wear leveling routines which don't even need some OS flags to start them, it will be long time before that combo will fail or become inadequate slow.
I watched DosDude build one. He made it look so easy😯
You have the best energy when talking about this stuff. "I'm looking at you-" haha. Rock on.
The Kingspec PCB certainly is designed much more nicely, I like the two stacks of memory chips (well it has the solder points for them) rather than one back to back across.
While I enjoy all of you videos, this one has to be the most useful for me thus far.
Well I guessed wrong, quite surprised by that.
I can understand the high price now, that's an extremely niche product.
one more thing, you can probably ask dos dude to upgrade your kingspec to 4 times the size by installing those missing nand memory and it also might get faster just by doing that
This is a great comparison. The Dosdude’s device doesn’t work nearly as well as the Startech adapter with SSD. Why would I go for the Dosdudes?
If someone sold something like this, in an old IDE HD case, with the motor etc connected to the activity light somehow so it still chonks and clunks when being read, they'd sell a shit ton.
17:22
LTT screwdriver moment
That small SATA adapter looks perfect, since most sata SSDs are smaller inside, we can probably make 3D printable shells that can fit both the adapter and the SATA ssd in the right spot.
Or just put some kapton tape on them and let them sit loose in older laptops.
I'd definitely like to see benchmark figures for classic hard drives roughly the same size! Most likely even the CF card would be faster than most late-90s/early-2000s hard drives.
Probably, especially on random reeds and writes, thus us wgerecssds ( or any soldid state storrahe) beats spinning rust hands down, due to not needeing ro move the heads berween tracks and wait for thevrelevant data to come by on the next rotation.
interesting results. would be good to see some real benchmarks like quake III or something. sometimes there are weird issues that can change the numbers
I'm genuinely surprised. It would generally be easier and cheaper to just use a SATA drive with a converter, since both products already exist.
DOSDUDE1 uses multiple NAND chips which makes it faster than the Kingspec drive.
If old hardware doesn't support trim x25-e SLC is the way to go. Would also mean the benchmarks are a bit misleading as the performance would degrade with use without trim.
Excellent work and video! It would be cool to compare the performance VS price. Thanks for sharing
The dosdude1 SSD might actually be a good fit for some of my old machines
We the SSD gods of Talos IV present you the illusion of a storage medium not bottlenecked by the interface 😂
I would think the Dosdude SSD was faster because it's striping across 4 memory chips, whereas the Kingspec is only running on 1 memory chip.
The dosdude is faster because it has 4 nand chips, where the king spec only has one. So yes oddly, the one which has 4x parallel write and read has better performance than the one that only has one
Project farming is gonna be the new reaction vid.
dat cables!
My guess is the Dosdude drive is faster... dunno if the interface supports striping to make it faster (or if it's even worth it on IDE), but if it does and it's implemented, multiple chips coudl make it faster. (Now to see who wins. I write this before the testing starts.)
Very off the wall question, but what is that dual fan PCI slot thing inside? Is it a 3D printed setup or something off the shelf available for purchase? I've been looking for more or less the exact same thing for a few older computers I've been working with lately.
A newer, higher spec CF card would be way better. 133x means 133 * 150kBps, or roughly 20MB/s. The adapter may also not support speeds even of 133x, much less faster, although that seems silly. Today 80 bucks gets 64 gigs of CF with UDMA7 and 160MB/s (Sandisk extreme pro) so that should be...I think 1066x or something? There's also a 10 dollar startech adapter with floppy power and what I presume are speed jumpers with 9 position combinations that can mate to 40 or 44 pin IDE. All told, might be a very interesting experiment to push the envelope!
This video reminds me of Duraga1.
The sata card will be bootable through uncover bootloader that ca reside on a internal usb stick
Linky to DosDude1's prebuilt drive sales isn't working for me? I get an "access denied" (Error Code 1020) screen on every device and browser combo I try to use to access it. Well except for the TAM, which is still loading the error page two days later!
huh strange, just tried it in Firefox and it works fine for me. maybe a temporary hiccup?
Does your testing mean that the SATA to IDE adapters are the fastest?
Oh my gosh, I have never been more jealous of any system than that MDD.
I had an MDD in my teens - wish I knew what happened to it. Such a beautiful machine. I've been wanting to pick one up, but I just can't afford it... my "daily driver" is closing in on 15 years old itself... 😭
What I'm seeing is 'get the SATA to IDE adaptor' for anything retro that uses IDE.
At least on desktop, that would be my choice. On laptops I'm going to use the DosDude drive
@@ActionRetro Definitely the less cluttered more compact and likely more power effeciant option ya. Plus, helping a guy out that's doing it for the love of the hobby.
Assuming you can find one that works with your particular retro kit. As Sean found out, there are many that simply don't work in some machines.
I'm here to hopefully help offset the cost of that amazon drive lol
In defense of CF-IDE adaptors, Transcend makes some of the most garbage CF memory cards on the market. The brand, and the actual rating, of the memory card you use is crucial to the I/O speeds the computer/camera/device will have when addressing the attached CF card.
$1 per gigabyte is so 2005!
Can I buy a dosdude1 someplace? eBay? Don't have time to build one myself.
Its likely the CF adapter didn't enable UDMA Mode on the CF card (the commonly available Syba ones do). Those Transend cards should be performing faster. The difference between the DOS Dude card and the Kingspec is likely because the DOS Dude card has more flash chips and the controller is spreading the writes between them, giving a slight speed boost.
Not sure. He doen't show the actual result in MB/sec only the score (why btw?) - but it is only a "133x" CF card - which could in theory read up to 20MB/sec. In reality i would say more like 12-13MB/sec. Which is slow for todays standard. But the CF specification goes up to 160MB/sec (1066x). Thus could have competeted with the native IDE drives.
Edit: Same is of course also true for the SD Card. I think he used a UHS-I.... while there is UHS-III stuff floating around.
the SD card would've been as limited if it didn't use UDMA and it did much better. CF cards are just obsolete.
I can tell you that that model of CF card is that slow. I have 8GB version of it.
CF cards have always been slow when used as a HDD standin, beyond DMA etc related things. I no longer recall the exact technical reason but it has to do with the layout and addressing that is part of the way CF works, even the fastest cards are slow at bursts of small ops compared to an old IDE HDD per my testing. Sustained data transfer is fast, but seek etc is absolutely not. I tested this extensively but quite a few years ago, also VS a CF microdrive which behaves like any HDD. It's not interface, CF is IDE pretty much, and behaves the same.
It is indeed a CF controller chip
Great video! Also totally not surprised by how well the Startech SATA to IDE adapter performs. It's a total champ. I've used the Startech in iMac G3s, Original Xboxs and even an Amiga 4000. It's fast and largely super compatible.
I kept only the old Machines we used at home ourselfs, nobody needs trash.
Why keep it ? Nerdy issues, nostalgia of non social people ? Why junk trash museums in mums house ?
I only repair them for creative people, FatBoy Junky XL slim people that need gear, hating simulating it. I see no need for this, why a channel for nostalgia ?
all my Macromedia Flash developing, i did on these Alienware Fake Plastic apple machines, the worst apple ever ? But the company kept hem, good enough...We he loves that ?
It is actually surprising how good StarTech does those kind of things. Always expensive, almost never cheap :D lol
The one place it didn’t work for me is in a multitrack digital audio recorder. It didn’t do well in simultaneous read and write at that data rate and I got a lot of drive speed faults, it kept kicking out of record. I “upgraded” to a two inch 24 track analogue machine and have had great success, though I did have learn editing using a razor blade.
This is so great. I'm hoping to feature a DosDude drive in an upcoming video about a VAIO laptop with IDE. It looks super impressive. Thank you for doing this benchmarking- exceptionally helpful!
Also, very jealous of that microscope (starts saving pennies).
The Startech SATA to IDE adapter is what is essentially required for replacing an OG Xbox hard drive with an SSD. There are, of course, lots of other similar adapters, many of which are cheaper. But the Startech adapter works. At least in that application, and the Xbox is extremely picky. None of the others I had work. It just speaks to that adapter being a solid choice. It worked for you. It works in OG Xboxes. It will probably work for others. Great video!
Probably something with the available drivers. After all, the og Xbox is just a Pentium 3 and Geforce 3 running Windows 2000, Microsoft went with common PC parts on purpose. Makes me wonder if it is possible to add support for other adapters to the system.
It all makes pretty good sense.
The DOSDude card has 4 flash chips vs 1, allowing the controler chip to spread out the read/writes, making it faster.
The SATA SSDs all have RAM caches, which dramatically accelerate access to the flash.
He needs a big Recycling bin in his mums house ! E WAIST !
only keep the apple II, trash the rest, keeping the M2 as the daily gear !
@@lucasRem-ku6eb take your nonsense comments elsewhere
@@armanelgtron4533 You need the Roland MC 80 ? why you need it, not smart enough ? what did you meant ?
Loved your video, but I'm afraid you're wrong about the results (Chinese IDE vs. DosDude's card): The chinese IDE has a single NAND chip while DOSDUDE card has 4, and the read/write NAND is spread across all the available NAND's, so yes, DOSDUDE is faster, but if you would buy a 256GB chinese IDE SSD with 4 NAND chips, you'll get approx. the same results.
Keep up those great videos!
I would assume dosdude1s ssd ran faster as it has more nand flash chips than the kingspec which would allow the controller to write to more disks at once. The larger flash chips might also help as they may have a larger buffer in them.
Kind of surprised the sata adaptors are so much faster. I guess the ide drives have an older controller.
Most SATA SSDs come with an SDRAM cache which the controller Dosdude1 used does not support. That's probably the reason the SATA disks are faster, especially in random benchmarks.
@@nilswegner2881 fair but does a cashe effect raw throughout larger than the cashe?
I'm not surprised the DODDude's drive beat out the Kingspec. The controller will spread out the data across as many chips as possible so it will read/write to them in parallel making them faster. I *am* surprised the performance gap was not bigger.
Interleaved.
Isn't the PCI slot gonna bottleneck this whole thing?
EDIT: ooooooooo,, PCI-X card
EDIT2: yep, it won x) Too bad it's not bootable. I wonder if there are any bootable ones out there? Or firmware hacks?
Great video as always. The only thing I think you could have done better is to also bench test a normal 2.5/3.5" IDE drive to compare it against all the flash replacements.
Sebastian's unmistakable presence haunts this video in the first few seconds, when the drives falls over.
Great Video. Ah the good old KingSpec SSD. I used one in two videos (on a 2003 Notebook and an Apple TV) and they are very very slow (although I might have an older version). I really need to get the DosDude1 SSD :)
Big fan of those "pricey" StarTech SATA to IDE adapters, glad to see that they're worth the money!
Lol, Action retro opens an x79 system with 4 DIMMs and a Dell desktop with 1 DIMM: 'ah yes, DDR3 chips, likely these systems will perform similarly'. 🤦🏼♂️
Hello and thanks for this useful channel. I need some help and I know I can find good advices here... Here's the plot : I have a beautiful PM G4 AGP 400 Mhz I have upgraded to 1.5 Go of ram and with 128 Go SSD. It runs X Tiger (10.3) and works fine. I use it to digitize my old tapes (MiniDV) with iMovie driving the camcorder via Firewire connection. Here's my problem : transferring my (raw) footages of several gigabytes can take 2 or 3 hours, may be more for a whole "cassette". The idea is to work my files on another Mac, a M1 Mini which is powerful enough for this kind of stuff. So, I'd like to know what is the best solution, according to you, to transfer my "tapes" on an external drive that would be fast enough for the G4 (Firewire I guess) and I could later plug into my Mini. Thanks in advance for the help.
NB: I don't want to use an analogic gear a la El Gato, I want the numeric flux from my camcorder (a Sony PC101).
I wish it was possible to slide in the Transcend PATA IDE SSD into those tests.
I've hunted for a teardown, but I don't see one online.
The main draw of the Transcend PATA IDE SSD was that they listed a firmware level wear leveling onboard as well as options for TRIM (OS depending) as other neat features.
I'm curious if that SSD uses the same controller chip as the DOSDUDE board as well, and if it's integrated into the firmware of the chip, or if it's custom flashed.
I have a Transcend 128GB drive, so I may crack it open to get some pics of the internals, as it's more expensive than the King something-or-other brand.
You mean to tell me when the majority of the PC world had ATA133....100 was the fastest you could get on a 2002 Mac in this price range? 😂
those Silicon Motion controllers have a number of channels and without looking that one up I would guess it has 4 (usually theyre even numbers, 4, 8, whatever) and so my guess is that perf diff is in part due to the parallel (no pun intended) nature of the flash being accessed...im surprised though that it matters as I assumed the bottleneck would have been the interface - i guess that shows what a HUGE difference having a RAM cache makes on these as that wouldve leveled the playing field is my guess regardless of number of channels for most workloads anyway
i really want to like this channel but this video is about ten minutes longer than it needs to be. big long cuts where nothing happens, constant stating and re-stating the purpose of the video in very broad and inefficient strokes. compare to something like LGR which manages to pack just as much information in but gets straight to the action. this is just too slow for me.
This reminded me of those last agp cards that were actually pci express but had a chip that "converted" to agp on the card itself (on the opposite side of the chipset).
I just wish people would stop using CFcard thinking it's ssd. CFcard is not SSD, they are slow, they have an absurdly lower number of reads and writes in the long term, they were made to be used as a pendrive and not for an operating system to write to it multiple times. They last a lot less, and are a lot more expensive. Those industrial flash ide modules are also cfcard technology, and are only designed to be read many times (not written), not only are they expensive, they will only last a few years in a retro gamer machine.
sorry thats not true. CF Cards were developed for mobile devices like PDAs, Cameras and small form factor laptops. CF first of all is an interface - thus says nothing about the storage technology. For example IBM produced a hard drive in CF Card form factor. CF Cards were most of the time NOR-Flash, later NAND-Flash. Those ARE Solid State Drives. You are drawing a line into the sand where no line is. The main difference between modern NVMe or MSATA drives compared to the CF Cards are the controller. They got more sophisticated caching stuff in DRAM to avoid writing on the Flash to often, mapping the physical storage to spread out write operations, having more capacity and swapping those around - again to reduce write operations on a single Gate. But from the flash perspective there is no huge difference between a SD Card, CF Card or NVMe drive. Also i disagree, you COULD use a CF Card for a gaming system, but you should avoid using those as a swap device or disable writing logfiles on those drives. Having a DOS PC with a CF Card is absolutly fine - the few created Save games does not matter.
You can get mSATA to regular SATA adapters so try that then convert to IDE or PATA or whatever. Not the best solution but hay.
Don't forget to do a nice low star count video review of the Kingspec SSD on the website from which you purchased it.
I wonder if the KingSpec only having 1 memory module vs DOSDUDE's having 4 is part of the cause of the speed difference. I know that can affect NVMe SSDs. Just look at the stories from the recent Macbook releases. A test of KingSpec's 256GB SSD might had shown a different result.
Oh interesting, I didn't know that could affect speed
Yeah that was my first thought as well. SSDs with multiple flash chips can use striping, i.e. parallelizing reads and writes to improve performance. It's why SSDs with less storage capacity tend to be slower than the same model with higher capacity.
This can also be seen in the M2 Macbook Air, it has fewer memory chips, and the disk IO is slower bc of that
@@ActionRetro The controller is 4 channel, so with 4 flash chips, it will perform better than with 1 - typical of SATA SSD controllers as well, so the 120/128 GB model will usually be slower.
With 64GB flash chips, a 64 will be single channel, a 128 dual channel, a 256 quad channel and a 512 two chips per channel, with the 1TB moving up the chip capacity by 4x and going to 4 chip again
The best MSATA to IDE adapter you'll find is the Ableconn IIDE-MSAT. It uses the Marvell 88SA8052 chipset. I've bought countless of the Chinese MSATA to IDE clones and they all fail. The extra cost for the reliability and performance of the Ableconn adapter is worth the price. The current retail price of $42 USD for Albeconn + $35 Kingston KC600 256GB, make it comparable in price to dosdude's pre-assembled 256GB. Plus the Albeconn is reusable in the future as the MSATA SSD wears out.
You're going to have to do a lot of computing on that device to have it wear out. I haven't had that issue and I have had some of my SSDs since they first started making them and I have yet to have one actually fail which is actually kind of lucky for me.
why you use a Talosian as imagery for the goodlikes
How do they compare against IDE and SATA mechanical drives?
Waving your hand in front of the cam is working on my nerves
Dosdudes drive has 256gb, kingspec 64 / more chips=faster SSD *up to a certain point
2.5" sata Hewlet-Packard 654540-001 adapter sleds are very good 2.5" SSD mounts as they preserve 3.5" sata connector physical locations, bolt into mac pro 1,1 and above apple sleds
I wish I'd heard of DOSDude's solution when I did an HDD replacement on my 1999 Dell laptop. As it is, it's rocking a CF card in an IDE caddy and that's working fairly well. But an inexpensive native-IDE solution would've been the bomb.
i have that same G4 great machine really fast love it.. i do have a different screen then yours but no big deal
My experience using sata to ide converters is whether or not they work depends a great deal on the sata device connected to it. Some drives just don't work properly using old ide compatibility modes. Older drives seem more reliable with newer ones ignoring compatibility with old controllers. Apacer sata ssd modules seem pretty good and they are small enough to fit with a ide44 converter into a 2.5" drive bay
Have you ever tried opening up SATA SSDs? The PCB might be small enough to fit it and an adapter into a 3d-printed, 2.5" drive-shaped package.
I've seen these IDE flash modules before. They are supposed to be just plugged directly into the port on the board, no cable needed. So only one drive, and expensive.
And while both IDE SSDs have the same chips, they use different amount of memory chips. And just as with SATA SSDs, more chips means more controller-to-memory bandwidth. That is also the reason why SSDs of the same model but different sizes give different speeds.
i upgraded my imac G4 20 inch to SSD (kingston 240GB + PATA/Sata adapter the StarTech one as in your video) from this upgrade he random Freeze or black screen need to reload
any suggestion???
with is original Hard disk 0 problem
At the beginning you said the words. "Expensive Amazon Special" expensive not exactly the term for "Walmart Special " or "Amazon Special". Made me laugh though.
This doesn't seem to make sense? How are you able to transfer faster than what the IDE bus is capable of? I thought the maximum transfer rate on UDMA6 was approximately 133 per second with overhead, with the theoretical maximum of I believe 160 megabytes with the absolute blazing edge UDMA-7 which as far as I know has never been implemented in any computer at least from a motherboard perspective.
Am I missing something or is that result not possible?
This is quite interesting. If I'm understanding this right, a SATA drive would be faster even with an adapter for translation. While I was not aware of the DosDude offering, I've been considering the KingSpec vs the very IDE / SATA adapter that came in 2nd, with a Crucial MX500, for a Celeron 325 machine my friend's kid picked up for $15 (he's still learning). I would have two questions. First, is that adapter suitable for boot / OS drive use, and second, would I see the same differences across these devices on a Windows PC? Without the technical know-how and skill, the DosDude solution is only feasible for me if I can get one ready-made for a comparable price, which may not be feasible for its creator.
This was a great video man, I use a lot of different disk solutions myself and having a set of benchmarks like this is actually pretty helpful. I have a startech adapter i was going to put in a windows 98 build and it's good to see it's a solid performer..... I just wish I could get a few of those dos dude ssd's for my my Amigas...
Just installed the 120GB Amazon PATA SSD in an old Gateway laptop and I haven't run speed tests yet but the speed up updating via legacyupdate I have some concerns it's got a very slow write speed.
Maybe use CLOVER that people use for some hackingtoshs
I used it to boot from a PCIe NVME adaptor for my PC whose motherboards doesnt even have an NVME slot.
I use that StarTech adapter in my original Xbox, seems to be the most reliable
DOS Dude using multiple memory chips instead of a single memory chip probably gives it s significant performance boost also
Was that that LTT screw driver?
Hello, thanks for this video.. i am currently working on upgrading my Power Mac G4 MMD dual CPU 1.25 Ghz, i purchased the Startech IDE to SATA with a 500GB SSD but when booting up from the Tiger DVD at the part where you select the destination disk it cannot detect the drive. I wonder if you were able to actually use the Startech IDE to SATA and boot the OS from it?
thank you!
The 'DOSDude' board is OF COURSE FASTER than the 'KingSpec' board. There is only 1 CHIP on the KingSpec board, and 4 CHIPS on the DOSDude board. This means the controller CAN write to multiple spots "at once" .... not that it actually does, but if there is a pause while writing to one chip, the controller can write to another while the first one finishes.... or something like that LOL
I don't think it can write to 2 chips at the same time tho, it's just able to write to a second chip instead of waiting.....
- AT LEAST THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN LED TO BELIEVE... I COULD BE WRONG THO.... But when I saw that the mem chips and controller were basically identical I KNEW the DOSDude board would come out on top because it has more than one chip..... and I think it works sorta like how DDR RAM takes advantage of 'downtime' that would otherwise just have it doing nothing half the time (I KNOW it's NOTHING like DDR, I meant that they both use up underutilized time to increase speed/productivity.... you know, optimizing workflows and all... lol )
But like I said, I don't if this is really the case, I hope someone with REAL KNOWLEDGE on this could explain it :)
I've upgraded my car's entertainment system (2010 BMW CIC) from spinning disk to ssd. Based on recommendations, I used a Marvell based IDE->mSATA adapter (Kuroutoshikou branded). It works fine, and according to The Internet, the others don't work with this system.
So I would recommend if you want to use anbd mSATA adapter, to find a Marvell based one.
Also, I wonder if the open source one works on the BMW CIC system, but since I have a working setup I don't think I will try it our.
For the SATA to IDE adaptor, it is a bit more complex than that, because when running a SO they cheapo one that look identical, tend to crash randomply. I read on forums that the only one to trus is the one that uses MARVEL hipset. Never buy the ones that are dual (SATA to IDE and IDE to SATA). Those are the WORSE and it almost impossible to get this done with just one chipset ..... so they keep freezing the system and hanging.. I used a marvel one for MONTHS on an old Vectra without any single glitch. The HP didnt even support DMA, it has PIO4, and the adapter work flawlessly. Also the disk had Dynamic Overlay installed since it was a 128G SSD on a ocmputer that wont accept anthing above 8 gigs. So the adapter was put to the test. Slow as hell due to PIO4.
ALSO... see if DOSDude is able to make the drives higher capacity.... 256GB really isn't that much, even for older machines.... but I guess it depends on their use case huh.... I guess I just want to know if its POSSIBLE to use 128GB mem chips instead of the 64gb he used... that way it might be even cheaper to make because you only need 2 mem chips instead of 4 to get the same capacity...
The CF card says 133x on it. That speed rating is based on 1x equal to 150KB/s (based on compact disk read speed), so the card is advertising itself as being just shy of 20MB/s in ideal conditions, which is way below the 100MB/s speed of the IDE bus.
On the DOSdude vs. KingSpec - the DOSdude uses four 64 MB chips, while the KingSpec only uses one. Many SSD controllers run much faster when they have more chips to parallelize across. Just look at the speed reduction for Apple M2 Minis/MacBooks with the lowest-GB drive vs. the next one up. Because the lowest-GB drives always have half as many chips.
As someone that grew up with and is familiar with IDE et al, but not a retro enthusiast, how are the SATA to PATA adapters achieving over 200MB/s? Isn't IDE limited to 133MB/s? Plus, the IDE port on the mobo is an IDE100...
Maybe caused by the amount of chips, firmware and lower quality of PCB.
Especially the amount of chips and inefficient firmware would highly impact the performance of SSDs.
What's the brand, and price, of the cheapo adapter that came in third? Did you make a video about it and I missed it?
I was given a G3 "Pismo" PowerBook with an internal fault that prevents it from recognising internal drives. But in my collection of "stuff" is a CF-FireWire 400 card reader. I installed Tiger on a 32 GB CF card and OS 9.2.2 on a 1 GB CF card. Both cards can boot this laptop although each has to be ejected then reinserted into the card reader before attempting bootup.
If a 2TB version ever comes along, I'd love to try it out in an original xbox.
My first SSD (circa 2009ish) was KingSpec branded. It failed rather quickly. But boy did it give me a taste for the speed benefits of an SSD.
This video is a valuable resource. I have an MDD G4 Dual 1.2GHz. I just replaced the aging HDD with a NOS WD 80GB HDD. I need to upgrade to an SSD and put Sorbet Leopard on it. Need some time to do it.
The SM2236 chip is a compactflash card controller. The Dosdude and the Amazon special drives are essentially CF cards, just using modern flash devices, which is why they kill the speed of the CF card. But from a compatibility perspective there should be no difference between a CF card and those two drives.
As for speed differences between them that's due to the number of flash chips. You often see this in specs, where lower capacity drives have lower speeds. It's all about parallelism which is lost if you have fewer flash devices.