Being a disciple or a “Christian”means denying yourself and taking up your cross daily. The problem with modern Christians who don’t have a high regard for the Word of God is they are so obsessed and focused on their feelings that they miss the point of even being a follower of Christ. It’s not about you, it’s not about me, it’s about Jesus…when we focus on Him, turn our hearts to Him, that’s when we are able to love other people in the way God designed. Anything outside of that is simply an act of pulling ourselves by our bootstraps and hoping for the best.
God definitely wants you to come to him with questions. I can hear your tone of struggle and your faith seems shaken. I hope the Lord guides you in the right direction. The label of Christian isn't a team, its simply a way of telling others that you follow Jesus Christ, a little way of preaching the gospel. I feel like you guys are thinking too much into this. Love the Lord, go out to preach the gospel, and let your light shine so that all may see and glorify your father in heaven. Let Christ be your rock, a firm foundation in this world. It's not always easy, and we will sin probably every single day, but that's ok, he's still our rock. It's not an organization. It's not full of perfect people. It's not full of people who have zero doubt. Instead, we all have doubts, we all sin and a lot of us struggle to feel connected with other people in the church. But first and foremost, our connection and love for Jesus Christ our Lord comes first, and living a life that glorifies him.
It’s ironic that defining “Christianity” as “how you love your neighbor” basically reduces it to a man-made system of ethics that those in deconstruction may accuse of Christianity in the first place. Yes, all of God’s law is contained in loving God with all our hearts, soul, and mind, and loving our neighbor as ourselves (Matt 22:37-40). But it’s not the latter that defines the former, as alluded to in this video. I believe it’s just the opposite - if I love God sincerely as Jesus described, true love for my neighbor will automatically follow. And yes, on the Christian festival point, I’m sorry to see something that should be holy used in a way that isn’t. God cares about that.
As someone who has deconstructed (or evolved in this case lol) it was really interesting to hear Jon's philosophies and ideas on these topics. And I like that the questions were asked in a way that wasn't combative. The discussion felt very open that there were many paths to take in life and that just because somebody found theirs that it doesn't mean the other person is lost, even if there's a disagreement between beliefs.
Acts 11:26 “The disciples were first called Christians at Antioch.” Clearly the term Christian pertains specifically to followers of Christ. And all those everywhere who call upon his name (1 Corinthians 1:2). I’m not getting the whole rigamarole if I’m being honest. @almostheretical
I think Christian is not merely being "Christ-like", although that is important. It is firstly pledging your allegiance to Jesus, the enthroned King, then Christ-likeness will spring from that. Looking forward to seeing you in concert tomorrow in Indiana! Your music has inspired me for many years.
@cal1believer we all do! Following means watching, learning, growing- like a student of Christ. First you believe and then you follow while still a sinner❤
Thankyou Jesus for this image so amazing thankyou for sharing the true Christianity Jon appreciate who we are Christians your dad taught you and Tim the real Christian life and you turned into fabulous music to the world thankyou ❤❤❤❤
"Hell is not a Christ-like concept?" Huh? Jesus taught quite a bit about hell. We learn far more about hell from Jesus’ words than from any other part of Scripture. Yikes, people...
Hey Jon it's funny, You said" Find Truth" But you didn't say what your truth was. Because I would think as Believer, If you are one. That one would say that The Lord Jesus Christ is that truth. Seek his truth, Truth is a word and he is that word. Read and believe The will of the Father, Which is to believe that Jesus died on the cross to save us from our sins and conquered death by being raised on the third day. Now that is the only truth you need to know. Don't trust in your truth or any of the feelings or doubts you might have..
Great Conversation. So many amazing topics. Regarding the church, people who are using the name of God for manipulation is truly violating the 4th commandment, taking the Lords name in vain. Beer and boobs, you know where they stand, someone who is manipulating is trying to gain something. It's almost like witchcraft.
Everyone has a different map worldview, because of their upbringing, because of their, experiences, everything that makes them who they are and what they believe... Who are we to judge or put labels on anyone? Yet we do this because of our own "maps".. Are basic human needs boil down to love, safety and belonging.. And coming from our own map, which could be skewed because of this broken world, our critter brains want to immediately protect any of those that are affecting love, safety and belonging.. The five core human fears are.. 1. Extinction. 2. Mutilation or bodily invasion. 3. Loss of autonomy. 4. Separation abandonment or rejection. 5. Humiliation shame or worthlessness. So when coming from our own skewed yet valuable map version of her own experience and our ideas and thoughts and opinions, etc, they boil down to protecting love, safety and belonging, and our "critter brain" brings a sort of fear or protection regarding those five basic fears, and that's where the human race in general stems from. So trying to learn about each other without judgment but curiosity and have an understanding and compassion and empathy for one another, is truly The most sacrificial beneficial thing you can give to another person and yourself. And it all stems from God and his word, and what he's telling us to do with his power, not our own. Which John Foreman, of Switchfoot does very well with his songs and lyrics, and they never get old.
Being a disciple or a “Christian”means denying yourself and taking up your cross daily. The problem with modern Christians who don’t have a high regard for the Word of God is they are so obsessed and focused on their feelings that they miss the point of even being a follower of Christ. It’s not about you, it’s not about me, it’s about Jesus…when we focus on Him, turn our hearts to Him, that’s when we are able to love other people in the way God designed. Anything outside of that is simply an act of pulling ourselves by our bootstraps and hoping for the best.
Jon Foreman is the thread in my stitches.
God definitely wants you to come to him with questions. I can hear your tone of struggle and your faith seems shaken. I hope the Lord guides you in the right direction.
The label of Christian isn't a team, its simply a way of telling others that you follow Jesus Christ, a little way of preaching the gospel. I feel like you guys are thinking too much into this. Love the Lord, go out to preach the gospel, and let your light shine so that all may see and glorify your father in heaven. Let Christ be your rock, a firm foundation in this world. It's not always easy, and we will sin probably every single day, but that's ok, he's still our rock. It's not an organization. It's not full of perfect people. It's not full of people who have zero doubt. Instead, we all have doubts, we all sin and a lot of us struggle to feel connected with other people in the church. But first and foremost, our connection and love for Jesus Christ our Lord comes first, and living a life that glorifies him.
What this guy said!
I completely agree with your comment.
101 right here on progressive “Christianity” unfortunately :(
I am not an expert but our circumstances or emotions shouldn’t define our faith
Christ Our Lord He is ALWAYS
I’ll continue to strive no matter what.
Tons of words, endless pondering, loads of self-centeredness... no depth. Welcome to progressive Christianity.
It’s ironic that defining “Christianity” as “how you love your neighbor” basically reduces it to a man-made system of ethics that those in deconstruction may accuse of Christianity in the first place. Yes, all of God’s law is contained in loving God with all our hearts, soul, and mind, and loving our neighbor as ourselves (Matt 22:37-40). But it’s not the latter that defines the former, as alluded to in this video. I believe it’s just the opposite - if I love God sincerely as Jesus described, true love for my neighbor will automatically follow.
And yes, on the Christian festival point, I’m sorry to see something that should be holy used in a way that isn’t. God cares about that.
As someone who has deconstructed (or evolved in this case lol) it was really interesting to hear Jon's philosophies and ideas on these topics. And I like that the questions were asked in a way that wasn't combative. The discussion felt very open that there were many paths to take in life and that just because somebody found theirs that it doesn't mean the other person is lost, even if there's a disagreement between beliefs.
Acts 11:26 “The disciples were first called Christians at Antioch.” Clearly the term Christian pertains specifically to followers of Christ. And all those everywhere who call upon his name (1 Corinthians 1:2). I’m not getting the whole rigamarole if I’m being honest. @almostheretical
I think Christian is not merely being "Christ-like", although that is important. It is firstly pledging your allegiance to Jesus, the enthroned King, then Christ-likeness will spring from that.
Looking forward to seeing you in concert tomorrow in Indiana! Your music has inspired me for many years.
Firmly agree that those post-show recordings were the best. I used to get so attached to them in that form that the recordings always disappointed me.
Totally! I still have most of them. :) -Nate
I first heard Your Love is Strong from a live bootleg of Jon playing it at some awards event back in like 2007. Loved those recordings!!
I don’t think the title is appropriate for your channel… You should modify almost
“There are a lot of bands I don’t listen to from the Christian World”. Lol
Loved this conversation. Love Jon. Thank you Nate and Shelby!
Jon Foreman is my human example of how to walk through this life like Jesus teaches us. Meek means power under control. ❤
I don't call myself a christian either to people. I call myself a Christ follower.
Im a christ believer 😊
I feel like i cant really say im a follower i still sin even after knowing the truth.😔
@cal1believer we all do! Following means watching, learning, growing- like a student of Christ. First you believe and then you follow while still a sinner❤
Thankyou Jesus for this image so amazing thankyou for sharing the true Christianity Jon appreciate who we are Christians your dad taught you and Tim the real Christian life and you turned into fabulous music to the world thankyou ❤❤❤❤
"Hell is not a Christ-like concept?" Huh? Jesus taught quite a bit about hell. We learn far more about hell from Jesus’ words than from any other part of Scripture. Yikes, people...
Correct! Totally biblical- hell. It may not be popular, but it’s reality.
Hey Jon it's funny, You said" Find Truth"
But you didn't say what your truth was.
Because I would think as Believer, If
you are one. That one would say
that The Lord Jesus Christ is that
truth. Seek his truth, Truth is a word
and he is that word. Read and believe
The will of the Father, Which is to
believe that Jesus died on the cross to save us from our sins and conquered death by being raised on
the third day. Now that is the only truth you need to know. Don't trust
in your truth or any of the feelings
or doubts you might have..
Once we all truely put other's above ourselves the world will be what God intended for us in the first place.
Great Conversation. So many amazing topics. Regarding the church, people who are using the name of God for manipulation is truly violating the 4th commandment, taking the Lords name in vain. Beer and boobs, you know where they stand, someone who is manipulating is trying to gain something. It's almost like witchcraft.
Everyone has a different map worldview, because of their upbringing, because of their, experiences, everything that makes them who they are and what they believe... Who are we to judge or put labels on anyone? Yet we do this because of our own "maps".. Are basic human needs boil down to love, safety and belonging.. And coming from our own map, which could be skewed because of this broken world, our critter brains want to immediately protect any of those that are affecting love, safety and belonging.. The five core human fears are.. 1. Extinction. 2. Mutilation or bodily invasion. 3. Loss of autonomy. 4. Separation abandonment or rejection. 5. Humiliation shame or worthlessness.
So when coming from our own skewed yet valuable map version of her own experience and our ideas and thoughts and opinions, etc, they boil down to protecting love, safety and belonging, and our "critter brain" brings a sort of fear or protection regarding those five basic fears, and that's where the human race in general stems from.
So trying to learn about each other without judgment but curiosity and have an understanding and compassion and empathy for one another, is truly The most sacrificial beneficial thing you can give to another person and yourself. And it all stems from God and his word, and what he's telling us to do with his power, not our own.
Which John Foreman, of Switchfoot does very well with his songs and lyrics, and they never get old.