Well done Philipino weapons, it's one thing to evaluate a design and point out the flaws but another to have a manufactorer listen to critique and polish out the flaws through redesigning.
No, that's to address the most glaring weakness in the original design - how are you supposed to take on a main battle tank without a Pommel for Christ's sake? (Sorry, not sorry XD)
Filipino fan here. On a side note: There is a weird funk when it comes to local smithing in the country. Traditional smithwork is somewhat crude and often more centered to creating cheap/long lasting tools with very little mind for aesthetics. The emphasis on quenching might be an attempt to make their products sound better made or of a higher quality of make than others. There is also a blending of cultural influences for designs for more commercial or ornamental pieces while the high quality stuff is usually from extremely practiced craftsmen that have a blend of western and eastern techniques under their belt. Addendum: The extra bit of metal at the end of the handle is most likely intended for coconut breaking. Yes. Many Filipino weapons/tools are intended for catch-all purposes and coconuts harvesting/opening are under that purview. Just remembered that tidbit after I reminisced over my gramps going brutal over a few coconuts when I was little. That piece of metal is kinda like our counterpart to pommels but we can't end anyone rightly with it.
if the website is run by a Filipino then the emphasis on the quenching might be more or less a tendency of Filipinos to try and over hype their products, especially when it comes to online shops
Migeru32 Sama That's the sad truth about Filipinos, when it comes to trying to sell something to their own kind. They make an idiotic and crappy "special feature" out of something extremely simple, and expect the target market to bite. Unfortunately, that somehow works. That's the main reason why shit-quality movies become local box office hits, even with their repetitive plots, predictable storyline and over the top drama. Just say, "Hey! This cheesy horror film is filled with overrated love teams and stars *insert name of popular actor here* , waste your money to check it out!", and everyone will flood the cinemas. (This is all coming from a Filipino, btw.)
@@Anino_Makata Huh. Didn't expect to draw some of the Filipino audience with this comment but I agree with you guys. My dad has an old family friend that makes his own tools and is a very rudimentary style of smith. I haven't met any distinct metal workers/smiths that specialize in blades and farm implements aside from him.
Brix Carlo Rapiz Yeah. Big shot Filipino bladesmith companies like TFW make some good quality blades. But if you're looking for excellent function rather than aesthetics, just go to any of the rural provinces and look for any local smith. I've been to 3 separate blacksmith shops, one of them just here in my home province of Leyte, and tried several hand forged blades. And when it came to functionality, they were worth their prices. As for aesthetics, if you like minimalist simplicity, then you'll be satisfied with a traditional bolo.
its funny because I've never seen a good sword without a full tang. the ones with those lil tangs are known as "display" aka you hang on the wall and never use lol
@@harleyme3163 Skall has shown a few with a 2/3 tang. And with a long handle like this, it would be enough. It could be a way to change the balance. So full tang isn't a necesity, but it's never a downgrade.
@@mennograafmans1595 I mean it can be a downgrade if it reduces The cutting power and speed by changing the weight and point of balance. I could have transitioned it to a rat tail Tang a third of the way down.
They worked with you to improve which is a very good action to take and gains respect on that part but they just seem a little shady but still a good blade on their part
Gas carburizing can be done before or after quenching. Gas carburizing/cementation is a thermochemical surface treatment, it works basically by heating the metal under a special atmosphere, to promote diffusion of carbon into steel's surface. This basically transforms the surface into a higher %Carbon steel, while maintaining the original % of carbon in the bulk.
Good on them to actually listen to you and trying to fix their mistake. And good on you, Skall, for criticizing it without trying to start drama nor blindly defending the company. And taking time to show their corrections
I'm filipino. I used this kind of blade way back when I lived in the south part of PH. We call it "tabas" but in some places it's called it's called "lampas". This blade is commonly used for cutting shrubs and tall grasses. If you want to clean a wide area of bushes, this is the blade for you. As you can see the blade is curved backwards, the reason is so it doesn't get stuck when you swing it with one arm. Also prevents getting significant damage on it when it hits a fist size stone. It's a certainty that you're gonna hit a stone with it eventually, no matter what. The handle is meant to be long so that you don't have to bend your back too much when you slice thru bunch of stuff on the ground. This acts essentially as an AOE axe, but lighter hehe. But yeah, it has other uses too like clearing stuff in the jungle. And it's good for cutting your enemy's neck. It's freaking scary as a weapon given it's reach. The Item in this video though, needs to have a longer handle for me to consider it as an efficient "panabas" to be honest. The taller the user, the longer the handle should be.
Love your more humanized explenation of the pangtabas and whatvit actually is. Andami kasi mga normies ngayon na mahilig ino-overdramatize/over-epic/ gawing masyadong malupet yung mga bagay ngayon na "more than what it actually is." The pangtabas is a nice blade and what it is for, but some enthusiasts do overhype it
As a Filipino, I can say your pronunciation of "pangtabas" is spot on. For those curious, the root word "tabas" means "to cut". So a pangtabas or panabas is a tool used to cut. Of course, this would often refer to a single bladed tool, rather than one that resembles shears/scissors.
There's a chance weta took inspiration from these blades when designing ones for lotr elves. They had to search for references, and these blades look very fantasy and elvenfor someone not familiar with them.
That blooper real at the end made me wish RUclips would go back to stars out of 5, instead of thumbs up/down. Because right now I can't like this twice.
Google sent me to a site that explains that gas carburising is a form of heat-treatment. Making it simple, it's basically putting the steel into a high-carbon atmosphere then heating it enough to diffuse the carbon into the steel before quenching.
@@siddharthhasavimath8307 It matters because that carbon enters the the steel from the outside, so you end up with a harder outer shell and softer core. The general term is "case hardening" in case you wanted to learn more.
Any company that responds well to critique, to the extent of revising designs, gets props from me. The ultimate goal should be a fine product that can be appreciated by the target audience, and working with critics to realize that goal is rarely a bad idea.
1st version Ah, wood construction not good enough. 2st version Wood not strong enough to hold the blade. 3st version Screw it, let make the entire thing *METAL* .
It's good to see that they were willing to work with you to fix it, theres nothing wrong with screw ups as long as you own up to them and try to correct them
Seeing you struggle with words at the end was encouraging. I am starting to dabble in making some clips and I find I stumble on my words a lot in front of the camera. When I watch other people online the finished product looks so natural that I presumed that I was the only one who stumbles on my words. Good to see it is normal. I am less discouraged now ; )
Well, when a manufacturer describes their product as "indestructible" Skall takes that as a challenge. And they had to redact that description, cuz he broke it XD.( by shooting it)
i pray the algorithms give you your previous status from 4 years ago..crazy to see the drop in amounts of views even tho your subs have gone up...love you dude you think about all the little things i wanna ask about.
I wanted to make a perfectly symmetrical curved sword/axe years ago. It’s good to know that a similar weapon exists. It makes it easier to name. Thanks for the exposure to such an exotic weapon.
@W Winterheart it most likely depends on how many blades they are doing because Co2 is cheeper than asltaline the traditional way of adding carbon would be to plunge it into suger or ashes
I live in a community of traditional Filipino bladesmiths and traders here in the Bicol Region of the Philippines. The smiths make bolos and knives used mostly for chopping wood and clearing land. We call it "sundang" and are made in the "pandayan" out of steel scraps from cars. I can say that traditional bladesmiths here are very skilled as to the way they hammer thin sticks of steel to shape it into different types of "sundang." I guess they give particular importance to quenching because here it is a very important part of the bolo-making process and we call it "lukas". It is done exclusively by the "paralukas", my father was one. They take pride in the fact that their quenching technique involves only heat treatment and water without the use of oil and the skill to know when to dip the heated "sundang". The result is usually an enduring and durable blade.
I'm not sure how common this is, but when my brother visited our cousins in the Philippines there was a band at the airport singing about really mundane/everyday things. People who don't speak the language would think it's poetry. That thing about quenching is probably a carryover from that kind of trolling or we really have a tendency to overhype these things
Nice job with the editing. In the Tippy Taps video the cuts were a bit too obvious in my opinion, but in this one it was much more subtle and overall better. Keep up the good work, Skall.
The protruding pommel is complete overkil. The tip is still shaped completely wrong, and Ron just can't admit that his "special" smiths also make the same darn blades for Blade Culture International. Ron... bruh... we can see through your crap. Your product is already very good and IMHO your approach only detracts from what the smiths are creating.
That’s because it IS a striking surface. You use that bit to crack open a coconut. Because filipino weapons evolved from agricultural tools, and a Panabas is an agricultural tool first, and a weapon second.
One does not know what it takes to crack coconuts until the time comes. I am not a coconut person, but I like coconut water while the fruit is left to dry be scraped into shavings for confections or toppings.
Love the review Skall! I honestly feel ashamed I don't know much about my own culture's weapons and such but it pleases me to see you really loving this blade. Kind of makes me want to get one myself... Such a beautiful tool.
Man that looks awesome, might have to look at getting one. Your criticism is very well backed up and your very knowledgeable on this topic I must say, great stuff man.
D2 is Chromium-Molybdenum-Vanadium containing alloy. This type af alloys have the advantage of rust resistance and disadvantage of high price. Probably they are doing something like 1060 core coated with D2 to reduce price.
Oh no. Etching reveals they're totally 5160 with some minor inclusions. No cold shuts or anything bad. Just a little texture on a pale gray 5160 background, with a edge that takes a littlr darker etch due to the extra martensite from the nice differential water quench they do.
Skall, the flared end is very indicative of Filipino design and makes it useful as a skull crusher. That, and to show its full tang, are probably why it shows. On a side note, would love to see you do a video on real use of vambraces and who makes good metal versions.
Yeah but they said quenching and gas carburizing is a hardening method for steel, idk maybe the translation screwed up and they actually meant a special gas hardening treatment rather than quenching
I remember seeing some farmers here in the Philippines using farming tools that isn't very high quality but they still worked with it and find a way to fix it by themselves like modifying wooden handles or sharpening it by themselves. It's pretty accurate.
Technique for using powdered metal and metal pieces is called canister forging. Would have to be a massive canister to form a blank big enough to forge out a blade this size.
Honsestly if there is anything to the D2 hype at all, the TFW blades I've etched just look like they've hammerre D2 chips onto 5169 bar stock and folded it a few times. Job well done, to be sure... but why?
I love that I haven't even started collecting weapons yet but study these videos like I have. Really good review there Skall. I like that you are fine with criticizing them for legit mistakes
Own 2 of their blades, the Moro Laring and the sansibar #4. The steel has been great. Have had plenty of oops moments that would have damaged lesser quality blades. I'm going to be buying from them again in the future...
Yeah guy, i'm here to say that i'm Brazilian, and unfortunately we don't have a sword fighting culture so strong as yours, and is hard to me buy weapons to train, and your videos inspire me and my passion on Weapons and medieval fighting and culture
@F you can watch some of Skall's other videos, you'll see how hard it is to actually cut straight through those zombie heads. If I remember correctly, not even the Dane axe or the Zombie Tools Reaver Cleaver went through in one swing. They say these heads are designed with materials that replicate the hardness, structure and thickness of a human skull, though I think a human skull would be slightly harder but I don't know by how much.
@@lalli8152 They probably are humans are surprisingly fragile. I've seen x-rays with screwdrivers, knives, and other random objects embedded in someone's scull.
Carburizing is the process of adding extra carbon to steel(usually lower carbon steel) after main forging or machining by additional heat treating with use of a carbon material(coal...). Usually machined steel items make use of liquid or gas carbon, and as far as I am aware, forged items more often use liquid and solid. I could be wrong, been decades since I last forged anything. Gas carburizing therefore is likely using a gas like carbon monoxide, methane... to achieve same result.
Regarding my previous reply, I forgot to mention that it is to create added strength and durability to the material. I was starting to pull out some of my metallurgy books, when I remembered I am in the computer age and could just look online. Sure enough, several sources quickly loaded that give a basic idea of carburization. I also see that it is generally referred to as case hardening, which I knew but couldn't really remember when I posted first comment(I suffered some spinal/head trauma about 20 years ago and have some memory and concentration problems).
There is no special technique for quenching as far as I know. It's just heating the metal to a certain temperature and then it's fast cooling. Sure, there are different methods of heating and cooling the steel, but I don't think any of them are special. edit: So I checked their website, and found out, that they use their own cooling liquid during the quenching - "special liquids that have special liquid soap agents". What I find weird however, is their use of gas carburizing. People use this method when they want to increase the content of carbon in steel. Generally it's used on softer steels to add carbon to their surface, quenching them to achieve high surface hardness and keep the ductility of the core. The downside is just that it takes a lot of time to increase the carbon content and it's generally only 0,5-1,5 mm deep. Thus, I don't know why they need to increase the carbon content of the blade when the steel they use is good enough. It has good qualities for swords and is widely used. They increased the hardness of the blade, but with swords, I don't know how much is too hard, but whatever.
Well, at the time of watching (two weeks after the video was uploaded) the quenching technique is no longer highlighted as "special" - it's just noted that it was performed on the product, no bells and whistles about it. Good influence, Skall, and good on the TFW for taking the criticism.
My guess is the extension of the tang would protect the wood in the butt of the grip. If dropped by accident metal hits pavement instead of the wood, which prevents chipping.
@@armvex i came to this theory because of a machete I own. It's loosely based on a Filipino design & has the protruding tang. I thought too, at first, that it was unnecessary & had decided to remove it. However before I had the chance I dropped it while loading my car to go camping... Well it landed butt first on the concrete! The nice wood of the handle was spared as the steel took the hit. Not sure if it's traditional or not, but in a modern world where concrete/asphalt are common it sure keeps wood grips safer.
@@armvex to clarify I meant the blade of my machete is Filipino, the extension of the tang...well I can't say that's traditional as I do not know enough about Filipino weapons. However if had to guess I'd say it might be, however it's not as common a design.
Gas-carb is a way to add carbon to steel to increase hardness on a cellular scale. What they mean by special quenching is the way they quench is different than others, not that quenching is special. We used molten salt. The large metal piece on the hilt is theor way of saying "see, it's full tang now", as well as a rough pommel.
Luckyboy YT, I’m not convinced they have actually changed the design. I’m thinking they did this as a custom piece for Skallagrim. I have concerns that future buyers will still receive the original design with the short tang and brittle handle.
Nice looking sword from what looks like a shady manufacturer. Lying initially about the full tang and then whenever you hear the term “blend” that’s usually not a good thing.
Im filipino, the sword's name is panabas which i think comes from the word pantabas, which is to cut or to trim. Pantabas is usually used for damo or grass that's why i think the sword is actually made to cut grass or as we put it pantabas ng damo.
This is my kind of content. Nice that they worked with you to improve their product. And your giving them free (and sound) design and marketing advice. They should pay You 😉 or at least let you try their full product line.
The piece on the end is used to make blunt damage to foes. Makes good bruise on the face and if hard enough, makes it a wound. Hit the brow ridge or cheek bone will make your enemy have hard time to see you since they may swell enough to close the eyes. Make better use of it in hitting pressure points, joints and sensitive body parts such as neck, crotch, etc. and you will deal non lethal but effective damage enough to devastate their fighting style making an easy kill. Filipino here. Peace!
Ei skall, thats a photo of my 'tabas' on 5:49, lower right. :) from my facebook page "pinoy blade hunter". Im gonna make a video about that also on my channel. Cheers!
They need to taper that tang, and have the widening part with protruding metal actually have the same shape, but end at where the scales end now, and be encased in them. That tang can easily be half the thickness and still be pretty much indestructible.
Gas carburizing means the blade was put into an over, and case hardened in an atmosphere of carbon-rich gas, usually methane or carbon monoxide, instead of using solid or liquid agents. Suits complex shapes or large batches of simpler ones. I worked at a gearbox factory for a while and when the carburizing ovens opened their doors to vent the incandescent flammable CO, it was pretty spectacular, like a giant working the bellows on his forge.
If you're curious... Gas Carburizing is a method to case harden metal. It's heat treating metal in an environment full of an abundance of gaseous hydrocarbons--usually a sealed furnace packed full of methane. This increases the carbon content of the surface of the metal object (as the carbon from the methane bonds with the surface of the metal), and only the surface. The goal is to create a piece of metal with a lower carbon core and a higher carbon exterior--so you get the hardness, durability, and edge-retention of higher carbon steel, with a core of less brittle lower carbon steel. It's not an uncommon practice--the rail, automotive, aerospace, firearms, and other industries use this all the time, and I imagine the practice is not unique to TFW in terms of swordsmiths.
Carburising is essentially a process of increasing carbon content in the surface layer of steel. It's usually done to increase hardness and wear resistance of the surface without decreasing the ductility of the core. It also increases the fatigue resistance. It's not widely used for cutting tools, because carburised layer will be graduately removed during each sharpening.
Harsh criticism and constructive help.
Well done, Skall.
Harsh criticism is the only criticism, cause isn't that the only way to get people to learn? You have to be blunt but not rude
Well done Philipino weapons, it's one thing to evaluate a design and point out the flaws but another to have a manufactorer listen to critique and polish out the flaws through redesigning.
@@rune5416
Not at all. There are a thousand flavors of criticism and each have a time and place.
Aye, Skall ain't that harsh.
As a Filipino this is what I love about Skall, no where neat biased
The reason that metal bit is at the end is so they can go "SEE ITS FULL TANG NOW" Essentially
When they see this vid:
"Oh, for fuck's sake, man!"
Marketing gone way pass than nessesarily.
Same what I was thinking.
No, that's to address the most glaring weakness in the original design
- how are you supposed to take on a main battle tank without a Pommel for Christ's sake?
(Sorry, not sorry XD)
I'm thinking about the weight
Filipino fan here.
On a side note: There is a weird funk when it comes to local smithing in the country. Traditional smithwork is somewhat crude and often more centered to creating cheap/long lasting tools with very little mind for aesthetics. The emphasis on quenching might be an attempt to make their products sound better made or of a higher quality of make than others.
There is also a blending of cultural influences for designs for more commercial or ornamental pieces while the high quality stuff is usually from extremely practiced craftsmen that have a blend of western and eastern techniques under their belt.
Addendum: The extra bit of metal at the end of the handle is most likely intended for coconut breaking. Yes. Many Filipino weapons/tools are intended for catch-all purposes and coconuts harvesting/opening are under that purview. Just remembered that tidbit after I reminisced over my gramps going brutal over a few coconuts when I was little.
That piece of metal is kinda like our counterpart to pommels but we can't end anyone rightly with it.
if the website is run by a Filipino then the emphasis on the quenching might be more or less a tendency of Filipinos to try and over hype their products, especially when it comes to online shops
@@migeru32sama70 lol im a filipino and i agree
Migeru32 Sama That's the sad truth about Filipinos, when it comes to trying to sell something to their own kind. They make an idiotic and crappy "special feature" out of something extremely simple, and expect the target market to bite. Unfortunately, that somehow works. That's the main reason why shit-quality movies become local box office hits, even with their repetitive plots, predictable storyline and over the top drama. Just say, "Hey! This cheesy horror film is filled with overrated love teams and stars *insert name of popular actor here* , waste your money to check it out!", and everyone will flood the cinemas.
(This is all coming from a Filipino, btw.)
@@Anino_Makata Huh. Didn't expect to draw some of the Filipino audience with this comment but I agree with you guys. My dad has an old family friend that makes his own tools and is a very rudimentary style of smith. I haven't met any distinct metal workers/smiths that specialize in blades and farm implements aside from him.
Brix Carlo Rapiz Yeah. Big shot Filipino bladesmith companies like TFW make some good quality blades. But if you're looking for excellent function rather than aesthetics, just go to any of the rural provinces and look for any local smith. I've been to 3 separate blacksmith shops, one of them just here in my home province of Leyte, and tried several hand forged blades. And when it came to functionality, they were worth their prices. As for aesthetics, if you like minimalist simplicity, then you'll be satisfied with a traditional bolo.
"To help the blade cut, we employ a special technique called 'SHARPENING'!" :P
I think a lot of that is translation issues. XD
"There are a number of fluids used for quenching as follows (in order of quenching severity):
1) Brine
2) Water
3) Oil
4) Special Liquids
5) Air"
@@lordvulvanon7695 To be fair, any person that knows intro physics knows air is technically a fluid. :^)
@@tygonmaster I wanted to show of their skill by proving that they are capable of using liquified gases
@@lordvulvanon7695 be right back pouring myself a glass of water. Obviously that is noteworthy xD
TFW: Every blade features a full tang.
Skall: Oh really?
TFW: Ok, ok, we fixed it.
Skall: ...
TFW: ARE YOU F-ING HAPPY NOW!?
Skall: ...meh
Cómo q el men no va a entender un culo del mensaje xd
@@eldonoso1356 Why not?
its funny because I've never seen a good sword without a full tang. the ones with those lil tangs are known as "display" aka you hang on the wall and never use lol
@@harleyme3163 Skall has shown a few with a 2/3 tang. And with a long handle like this, it would be enough. It could be a way to change the balance. So full tang isn't a necesity, but it's never a downgrade.
@@mennograafmans1595 I mean it can be a downgrade if it reduces The cutting power and speed by changing the weight and point of balance. I could have transitioned it to a rat tail Tang a third of the way down.
They worked with you to improve which is a very good action to take and gains respect on that part but they just seem a little shady but still a good blade on their part
*inhales* RACIST
DracoTheKnight
oh noooo! It’s retarded. 😢
What a rollercoaster of a comment
@@cooked4048 wat
@@offbeat4772 I kinda had a stroke
I think what they meant was “a special quenching process”.
They probably heat treat it in a mixture of some animals blood and additive mixture...... They probably do not want to get in trouble with PETA.
@@deathbysleeping nah they just bath it with daedric hearts.
@@swampfox1007 no obviously they quench it in nirnroot juice
Especially if they used gas carburizing. That is a special process to add carbon to the steel.
Gas carburizing can be done before or after quenching. Gas carburizing/cementation is a thermochemical surface treatment, it works basically by heating the metal under a special atmosphere, to promote diffusion of carbon into steel's surface. This basically transforms the surface into a higher %Carbon steel, while maintaining the original % of carbon in the bulk.
Good on them to actually listen to you and trying to fix their mistake. And good on you, Skall, for criticizing it without trying to start drama nor blindly defending the company. And taking time to show their corrections
We have used a special technique called quenching.
And there is another special thing about this blade.
it is CURVED!!!
We have also discovered a revolutionary method for shaping the blade, we call it "get the metal really hot and bang on it with a hammer".
Also and you might need to re-read this because it might shock you!
THE BLADE IS SHARP AND POINTY!!!
And it doesn't have GUARD
No, no, no, that's not special enough! See, they SHARPEN it! That's the special technique.
CURVED
SWORDS!
I'm filipino. I used this kind of blade way back when I lived in the south part of PH. We call it "tabas" but in some places it's called it's called "lampas". This blade is commonly used for cutting shrubs and tall grasses. If you want to clean a wide area of bushes, this is the blade for you. As you can see the blade is curved backwards, the reason is so it doesn't get stuck when you swing it with one arm. Also prevents getting significant damage on it when it hits a fist size stone. It's a certainty that you're gonna hit a stone with it eventually, no matter what. The handle is meant to be long so that you don't have to bend your back too much when you slice thru bunch of stuff on the ground. This acts essentially as an AOE axe, but lighter hehe. But yeah, it has other uses too like clearing stuff in the jungle. And it's good for cutting your enemy's neck. It's freaking scary as a weapon given it's reach. The Item in this video though, needs to have a longer handle for me to consider it as an efficient "panabas" to be honest. The taller the user, the longer the handle should be.
Love your more humanized explenation of the pangtabas and whatvit actually is. Andami kasi mga normies ngayon na mahilig ino-overdramatize/over-epic/ gawing masyadong malupet yung mga bagay ngayon na "more than what it actually is." The pangtabas is a nice blade and what it is for, but some enthusiasts do overhype it
Now I wanna get one cus the usual bolo is too short for cutting certain plants
Just noticed all the backround stuff is gone due to packing for the move!
No, we're not packing 3 months in advance. The move is planned for September. :)
@@Skallagrim Very excited for you!
Filipino Elves being secretive about the smithing process of their mithril steel, lest the western Dwarves steal the recipe for their secret blend.
151.8 cm is the average height in the Philippines that would make them the dwarfs.
@@Ben-uw8wx r/woooosh
@@ThePancakeMan r/Fuckoff
Allso... dwarves made the mithril for the elves...
@@Ben-uw8wx hahahha really dont get the joke dont you
Ahhahah
R/woooosh
Bitch
As a Filipino, I can say your pronunciation of "pangtabas" is spot on.
For those curious, the root word "tabas" means "to cut". So a pangtabas or panabas is a tool used to cut. Of course, this would often refer to a single bladed tool, rather than one that resembles shears/scissors.
Yup same observation. Pretty good pronunciation
Dang, that looks like something an elf would make
Does kind of remind me of the Elven swords from Lord of the Rings, that had the really long handles, so they were almost like a short polearm
Well we do have elves in our folk lore. But it is more on farming implement than an elegant weaponry.
There's a chance weta took inspiration from these blades when designing ones for lotr elves. They had to search for references, and these blades look very fantasy and elvenfor someone not familiar with them.
@@nondorian I feel so poor now.
@@weldonwin, most swords used in the LotR movies are made in the Philippines, in Pangasinan.
Really cool looking sword. Kind of reminds me of a hybrid Khopesh
Liking just for the holy grail clip.
... and it sank into the swamp...
Was waiting to know when they were fixed. Now I'm buying one.
Well, whenever they're actually publicly available.
Ya, they still sell the old version only, shame, i think this one is a one off or him, i was going to get one also.
You can’t argue with results, I’d say. If the final blade is that good the 5160/D2 process works.
I think it is unnecessary to add the shavings it would be completely ok without them
thehipmyster If you don’t know the exact process... how do you know?
it's magic fairy dust and completely unnecessary.
@@tstodgell
Let a real metallurgist do the talk.
@@Aereto You're talking to one.
That blooper real at the end made me wish RUclips would go back to stars out of 5, instead of thumbs up/down.
Because right now I can't like this twice.
He's like Winnebago Man
Google sent me to a site that explains that gas carburising is a form of heat-treatment. Making it simple, it's basically putting the steel into a high-carbon atmosphere then heating it enough to diffuse the carbon into the steel before quenching.
Then what does it matter what kind of steel is used if you change the carbon content and can control it
@@siddharthhasavimath8307 Probably doesn't matter.
@@siddharthhasavimath8307 It matters because that carbon enters the the steel from the outside, so you end up with a harder outer shell and softer core. The general term is "case hardening" in case you wanted to learn more.
@@FluffRat came here to say that.
Skalla: "the tangs too short, it's breaking this otherwise beautiful blade"
TFW: "YOU WANT A TANG ILL SHOW YOU A TANG"
Skalla: Tang'kyou very much
Also....
Tang*na
Filipino: “Tang’ina mo!”
Any company that responds well to critique, to the extent of revising designs, gets props from me.
The ultimate goal should be a fine product that can be appreciated by the target audience, and working with critics to realize that goal is rarely a bad idea.
1st version
Ah, wood construction not good enough.
2st version
Wood not strong enough to hold the blade.
3st version
Screw it, let make the entire thing *METAL* .
2nd and 3rd not 2st and 3st xD and it comes with a coconut opener as a pommel which I question the practicality for.
These different camera angles make your videos much more pleasant. Thanks for that.
I'm a metal expert... would add Megadeth in the background
Dude, you fucking nailed it👍👍👍
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Beast in Black lol
Behemoth
Canibal corpse
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It's good to see that they were willing to work with you to fix it, theres nothing wrong with screw ups as long as you own up to them and try to correct them
The extra metal at the end is used traditionally to break coconuts in the Indomalayan realm
Seeing you struggle with words at the end was encouraging. I am starting to dabble in making some clips and I find I stumble on my words a lot in front of the camera. When I watch other people online the finished product looks so natural that I presumed that I was the only one who stumbles on my words. Good to see it is normal. I am less discouraged now ; )
Keep up the good work mate. Love your stuff.
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Awesome that they took the feedback! I guess it shows that a little testing goes a long way to improve quality...
Hey, they took yout critizism to heart, thats unironicly great.
Congrats to be the only youtuber that brings up worries if you might shoot swords XD
Well, when a manufacturer describes their product as "indestructible" Skall takes that as a challenge. And they had to redact that description, cuz he broke it XD.( by shooting it)
i pray the algorithms give you your previous status from 4 years ago..crazy to see the drop in amounts of views even tho your subs have gone up...love you dude you think about all the little things i wanna ask about.
tfw= "that feeling when" ❌❌❌
tfw= traditional filipino weapon ✔✔✔
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tfw people cant accept language as its used. fbm.
I wanted to make a perfectly symmetrical curved sword/axe years ago. It’s good to know that a similar weapon exists. It makes it easier to name. Thanks for the exposure to such an exotic weapon.
Gas corbarising is heating a blade with something high in carbon to ad carbon to a blade
So heating with either natural gas, and/or adding CO/CO2 to the mix ...?
@@nigelft that could work
@W Winterheart it most likely depends on how many blades they are doing because Co2 is cheeper than asltaline the traditional way of adding carbon would be to plunge it into suger or ashes
I live in a community of traditional Filipino bladesmiths and traders here in the Bicol Region of the Philippines. The smiths make bolos and knives used mostly for chopping wood and clearing land. We call it "sundang" and are made in the "pandayan" out of steel scraps from cars. I can say that traditional bladesmiths here are very skilled as to the way they hammer thin sticks of steel to shape it into different types of "sundang." I guess they give particular importance to quenching because here it is a very important part of the bolo-making process and we call it "lukas". It is done exclusively by the "paralukas", my father was one. They take pride in the fact that their quenching technique involves only heat treatment and water without the use of oil and the skill to know when to dip the heated "sundang". The result is usually an enduring and durable blade.
I'm not sure how common this is, but when my brother visited our cousins in the Philippines there was a band at the airport singing about really mundane/everyday things. People who don't speak the language would think it's poetry.
That thing about quenching is probably a carryover from that kind of trolling or we really have a tendency to overhype these things
Nice job with the editing. In the Tippy Taps video the cuts were a bit too obvious in my opinion, but in this one it was much more subtle and overall better. Keep up the good work, Skall.
I like it. You can slide your hands up or down the handle to move the balance to suit whether you're cutting or thrusting.
Thanks for introducing this weapon, I wonder what katana would survive such brutal chopping tests without damage
Greetings from Germany
My family has a secret technique passed down for generations: grinding a blade on a stone to make it sharper. We call it "SHARPENING"
Been watching ya since like 2015! Still amazing content as always.
Much love!
The protruding tang might decrease the cutting power but looks like it could make for a good striking surface.
The protruding pommel is complete overkil. The tip is still shaped completely wrong, and Ron just can't admit that his "special" smiths also make the same darn blades for Blade Culture International. Ron... bruh... we can see through your crap. Your product is already very good and IMHO your approach only detracts from what the smiths are creating.
Its for breaking coconuts. He actually bought a farm tool not a weapon.
That’s because it IS a striking surface. You use that bit to crack open a coconut. Because filipino weapons evolved from agricultural tools, and a Panabas is an agricultural tool first, and a weapon second.
Its a coconut opener
One does not know what it takes to crack coconuts until the time comes.
I am not a coconut person, but I like coconut water while the fruit is left to dry be scraped into shavings for confections or toppings.
Love the review Skall! I honestly feel ashamed I don't know much about my own culture's weapons and such but it pleases me to see you really loving this blade. Kind of makes me want to get one myself... Such a beautiful tool.
Can you please do a review on the TFW Claymore? I'm thinking about buying it but I trust your opinion over anything. Great video btw!
Cool to see that they took your feedback and made it better instead of walking away.
Skall let's see some tatami cutting with this new version whenever you next get a chance!!
Man that looks awesome, might have to look at getting one.
Your criticism is very well backed up and your very knowledgeable on this topic I must say, great stuff man.
D2 is Chromium-Molybdenum-Vanadium containing alloy. This type af alloys have the advantage of rust resistance and disadvantage of high price. Probably they are doing something like 1060 core coated with D2 to reduce price.
Interesting
Oh no. Etching reveals they're totally 5160 with some minor inclusions. No cold shuts or anything bad. Just a little texture on a pale gray 5160 background, with a edge that takes a littlr darker etch due to the extra martensite from the nice differential water quench they do.
Glad to see your shoulder is feeling better!
Skall, the flared end is very indicative of Filipino design and makes it useful as a skull crusher. That, and to show its full tang, are probably why it shows.
On a side note, would love to see you do a video on real use of vambraces and who makes good metal versions.
That's such a dope lookin blade man good on ya 👍
Gas carburizing is basically hardening steel with a gas treatment, I know there's one with cyanide involved
I think it exmplains why they said special technique :v right ? And if it does it puts skall in bad shade for complaning about it
But they called quenching special, not gas carburizing
Yeah but they said quenching and gas carburizing is a hardening method for steel, idk maybe the translation screwed up and they actually meant a special gas hardening treatment rather than quenching
@@practicallyprinz maybe and the positioning of website might be there as there are algorymths that give u higher piriority for that
Could mean special quenching medium, like a specifically engineered quenching oil, or a specific quenching technique eg. Marquenching... Maybe
Skallagrim really only moves locations when he’s run out of trees to massacre
I remember seeing some farmers here in the Philippines using farming tools that isn't very high quality but they still worked with it and find a way to fix it by themselves like modifying wooden handles or sharpening it by themselves. It's pretty accurate.
Technique for using powdered metal and metal pieces is called canister forging. Would have to be a massive canister to form a blank big enough to forge out a blade this size.
Honsestly if there is anything to the D2 hype at all, the TFW blades I've etched just look like they've hammerre D2 chips onto 5169 bar stock and folded it a few times. Job well done, to be sure... but why?
Well they could use multiple canisters I’ve seen it done on forged in fire
I love that I haven't even started collecting weapons yet but study these videos like I have.
Really good review there Skall. I like that you are fine with criticizing them for legit mistakes
Own 2 of their blades, the Moro Laring and the sansibar #4. The steel has been great. Have had plenty of oops moments that would have damaged lesser quality blades. I'm going to be buying from them again in the future...
Nice to know... that 3th version that skall show is beatifull *-*
@@Y4ngCP for sure.
Yeah guy, i'm here to say that i'm Brazilian, and unfortunately we don't have a sword fighting culture so strong as yours, and is hard to me buy weapons to train, and your videos inspire me and my passion on Weapons and medieval fighting and culture
Wow, did this thing really go through a Zombie Head in 1 swing? That's insane
Well that should be the standard for any cutting sword, if it can't chop off limbs it's not sharp enough
@F you can watch some of Skall's other videos, you'll see how hard it is to actually cut straight through those zombie heads. If I remember correctly, not even the Dane axe or the Zombie Tools Reaver Cleaver went through in one swing.
They say these heads are designed with materials that replicate the hardness, structure and thickness of a human skull, though I think a human skull would be slightly harder but I don't know by how much.
If you are able to weild it the way it's meant to be, you can cut open a coconut(young) by half in one swing.
@@TomHenksYT i think they have said at zgb that their zombie heads are designed to be sligtly harder than actual skull.
@@lalli8152 They probably are humans are surprisingly fragile. I've seen x-rays with screwdrivers, knives, and other random objects embedded in someone's scull.
Carburizing is the process of adding extra carbon to steel(usually lower carbon steel) after main forging or machining by additional heat treating with use of a carbon material(coal...). Usually machined steel items make use of liquid or gas carbon, and as far as I am aware, forged items more often use liquid and solid. I could be wrong, been decades since I last forged anything. Gas carburizing therefore is likely using a gas like carbon monoxide, methane... to achieve same result.
Regarding my previous reply, I forgot to mention that it is to create added strength and durability to the material. I was starting to pull out some of my metallurgy books, when I remembered I am in the computer age and could just look online. Sure enough, several sources quickly loaded that give a basic idea of carburization. I also see that it is generally referred to as case hardening, which I knew but couldn't really remember when I posted first comment(I suffered some spinal/head trauma about 20 years ago and have some memory and concentration problems).
The part sticking out is completely necessary. No blade is complete without a pommel. Shame it can't be screwed off though...
Always appreciate the option to end them rightly!
That pommel is for breaking coconuts
I agree
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They probably only fixed it to avoid the false advertisement issue. But still a fantastic video and I'm happy to see it with a full tang!
It might be not a false ad. The tang fits fully along the palm. The extra length is for the leverage. I guess.
@@armvex In the first purchase Skall demonstrated that the tang wasn't advertised correctly.
they might have just meant they had a special technique for doing the quench and worded it poorly
There is no special technique for quenching as far as I know. It's just heating the metal to a certain temperature and then it's fast cooling. Sure, there are different methods of heating and cooling the steel, but I don't think any of them are special.
edit: So I checked their website, and found out, that they use their own cooling liquid during the quenching - "special liquids that have special liquid soap agents". What I find weird however, is their use of gas carburizing. People use this method when they want to increase the content of carbon in steel. Generally it's used on softer steels to add carbon to their surface, quenching them to achieve high surface hardness and keep the ductility of the core. The downside is just that it takes a lot of time to increase the carbon content and it's generally only 0,5-1,5 mm deep. Thus, I don't know why they need to increase the carbon content of the blade when the steel they use is good enough. It has good qualities for swords and is widely used. They increased the hardness of the blade, but with swords, I don't know how much is too hard, but whatever.
I’m so glad you do these reviews!
Have you seen those soldiers from hammerfell. They have cruved swords. Curved. Swords.
Wow I am a Filipino, have been watching your videos and I have never imagined you to cover this one hahahaha....
Panabas indeed
Filipino swords designs useful when you have farm work in the morning but need to fight for the motherland againts the conquerors in the afternoon.
Well, at the time of watching (two weeks after the video was uploaded) the quenching technique is no longer highlighted as "special" - it's just noted that it was performed on the product, no bells and whistles about it. Good influence, Skall, and good on the TFW for taking the criticism.
My guess is the extension of the tang would protect the wood in the butt of the grip. If dropped by accident metal hits pavement instead of the wood, which prevents chipping.
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@@armvex i came to this theory because of a machete I own. It's loosely based on a Filipino design & has the protruding tang. I thought too, at first, that it was unnecessary & had decided to remove it. However before I had the chance I dropped it while loading my car to go camping...
Well it landed butt first on the concrete! The nice wood of the handle was spared as the steel took the hit.
Not sure if it's traditional or not, but in a modern world where concrete/asphalt are common it sure keeps wood grips safer.
Here is a link to a pic of the type of machete I'm referring to
www.swordsofmight.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/p-59776-JM-010__30014.jpg
@@asa-punkatsouthvinland7145 maybe you are right. But I haven't seen a filipino blade before with a butt like that. Maybe a foraign influence.
@@armvex to clarify I meant the blade of my machete is Filipino, the extension of the tang...well I can't say that's traditional as I do not know enough about Filipino weapons.
However if had to guess I'd say it might be, however it's not as common a design.
Well, at least they listen and were willing to work with you on the issues. That's rare in big companies today.
he chop
he slice
but most importantly
he fair and nice
Though you were about to say...he KEELS!
Gas-carb is a way to add carbon to steel to increase hardness on a cellular scale. What they mean by special quenching is the way they quench is different than others, not that quenching is special. We used molten salt. The large metal piece on the hilt is theor way of saying "see, it's full tang now", as well as a rough pommel.
I would love to see something about executioner swords. My father said, one was shown in our townhall, but today it isn't there anymore.
Shadiversity did a video on them.
@Alex Vives Verden an der Aller
I love bloopers as much as the finished content. But looks like a good blade.
I'll check them out. Thanks for the recommendation. (Traditional)
Dude noo the tang sticking out looks AWESOME! And the balance its good cuz it gives u options based on where u hold it
7:30 “Perfectly balanced as all things should be.”
Aside from the minor issues, it looks like a solid blade! A big improvement.
I love that Sword. I imidiately felt a Connection between me and the shape and material!
Good. I'm glad they got it fixed. They may come out with a version IV, but that's the sort of thing that happens with castles and swamps.
So are TFW and other companies selling swords i.e. Kult of Athena, still selling the Mk.1 or Mk.2 version of the Panabas?.
Barrandill, the version I see on the TFW page is very much still the version 1.
They changed it as of 2020, it’s completely the new version and interestingly out of stock.
I'm excited! I've been looking for a quality blade like this at a good price. They need to update the site. It only shows the original version
Luckyboy YT, I’m not convinced they have actually changed the design. I’m thinking they did this as a custom piece for Skallagrim.
I have concerns that future buyers will still receive the original design with the short tang and brittle handle.
Nice looking sword from what looks like a shady manufacturer. Lying initially about the full tang and then whenever you hear the term “blend” that’s usually not a good thing.
Im filipino, the sword's name is panabas which i think comes from the word pantabas, which is to cut or to trim. Pantabas is usually used for damo or grass that's why i think the sword is actually made to cut grass or as we put it pantabas ng damo.
Good Lord, now that's an attractive sword right there!
Great content as usual, love the bloopers as well!
Looks like a nice weapon, but on the subject of curved swords, do you happen to know of anyone making a quality Kilij or shashka?
This is my kind of content. Nice that they worked with you to improve their product. And your giving them free (and sound) design and marketing advice. They should pay You 😉 or at least let you try their full product line.
The piece on the end is used to make blunt damage to foes. Makes good bruise on the face and if hard enough, makes it a wound. Hit the brow ridge or cheek bone will make your enemy have hard time to see you since they may swell enough to close the eyes. Make better use of it in hitting pressure points, joints and sensitive body parts such as neck, crotch, etc. and you will deal non lethal but effective damage enough to devastate their fighting style making an easy kill.
Filipino here. Peace!
Ei skall, thats a photo of my 'tabas' on 5:49, lower right. :) from my facebook page "pinoy blade hunter". Im gonna make a video about that also on my channel. Cheers!
They need to taper that tang, and have the widening part with protruding metal actually have the same shape, but end at where the scales end now, and be encased in them.
That tang can easily be half the thickness and still be pretty much indestructible.
Gas carburizing means the blade was put into an over, and case hardened in an atmosphere of carbon-rich gas, usually methane or carbon monoxide, instead of using solid or liquid agents.
Suits complex shapes or large batches of simpler ones.
I worked at a gearbox factory for a while and when the carburizing ovens opened their doors to vent the incandescent flammable CO, it was pretty spectacular, like a giant working the bellows on his forge.
Hi love this channel keep up the good work👌
Can you make more videos about viking armour,weaponry or naval warfare?😁
Breki Einarsson I too would be very interested in Viking naval warfare
If you're curious... Gas Carburizing is a method to case harden metal. It's heat treating metal in an environment full of an abundance of gaseous hydrocarbons--usually a sealed furnace packed full of methane. This increases the carbon content of the surface of the metal object (as the carbon from the methane bonds with the surface of the metal), and only the surface. The goal is to create a piece of metal with a lower carbon core and a higher carbon exterior--so you get the hardness, durability, and edge-retention of higher carbon steel, with a core of less brittle lower carbon steel. It's not an uncommon practice--the rail, automotive, aerospace, firearms, and other industries use this all the time, and I imagine the practice is not unique to TFW in terms of swordsmiths.
Have a fav for the bloopers at the end :D
Ayyy I remember you from FA
@@shizw1919 :O
Carburising is essentially a process of increasing carbon content in the surface layer of steel. It's usually done to increase hardness and wear resistance of the surface without decreasing the ductility of the core. It also increases the fatigue resistance.
It's not widely used for cutting tools, because carburised layer will be graduately removed during each sharpening.
5 minutes from posting? HERE WE GO!
I've never seen a weapon with a shape like that, but i have to say I like it. Thanks for introducing me to this weapon.