Ep. 7 - Awakening from the Meaning Crisis - Aristotle's World View and Erich Fromm
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Books in the Video:
• Marcus Aurelius - Meditations
• Karen Armstrong - The Great Transformation: The Beginning of Our Religious Traditions
• R. G. Collingwood - The Principles of Art
• Erich Fromm - To Have or To Be?
• Clifford Geertz - The Interpretation of Cultures
• Eric D. Perl - Thinking Being: Introduction to Metaphysics in the Classical Tradition
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Seventh episode of Dr. John Vervaeke's Awakening from the Meaning Crisis.
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This is what the Internet was designed for. The Free Transmission of information .
Especially when it's beautiful, provocative information like this
@sammy2629 Agreed. Smell test is Important.
Some would say it was built by MIT, Brown, UCLA via DARPA as a military weapons command and control structure designed to withstand nukes, but I like your definition better 🙂
@sammy2629 You're equivocating an aspect of the word information that the original poster didn't intend. By information he meant knowledge, as people often do.
By another token, if we do equivocate and take information by the literal, information-theory meaning, then it actually makes more sense with the literal function of the internet. It's all just a chaotic mess of 1s and 0s that you need an advanced computer with the right software to decipher.
They started with the desire for free metaphorical information flow, really meaning free knowledge flow, and ended up creating a system for literal technical information flow, which actually crowds out true knowledge flow.
You have failed to serve the eternal state! You must be a counter-revolutiary!
I suspect this series might be one of the most consequential works of our time.
It is, I listen to it while sleeping so it can absorb in my subconscious mind 😴
I agree, I'm filling notebooks
@@dalibofurnell I try to boil it down to less than 2 pages per session so I don't get lost in the mix
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No, it is just a backwash of Conservative ideology. I mran this entire episode was using Aristotle as a prop to push his Conservative agenda.
It's amazing to me that John always says "thank you very much for your time" at the end of each lecture. Sir, I am the one who should be thanking you for doing this. You're a light and a treasure in this world.
its. all lies. he may be the devil. frim pandora s box. for 2023 breathe folks..just breathe.
Really? It is a matter of course.
Very grateful for this series 🙏
me too.
John “we’re going to come back to it” Vervaeke
BEST line
hahahahahahahahhaha
This clever prof knows I won't check if he actually did come back to it.
John “and this is important” Vervaeke
You found the words I was looking for in my comment!!
I'm gonna be so sad when this lecture series ends, but then I'll just start back from the beginning 🙏
Round 2 reporting in.
That's what I did, started it over and round two has just begun with 42 more episodes to go! Thanks JV
Round 3 . Get it
I'll be watching it again: at least once.
@@OfCourseICan well in a way...
if you rly learn this presentation alongside JVs exemplification..
you'll never stop coming back to this
There's a community here and growing laying grounds to steal the culture and JVs cog sci ventures are on the cutting edge of humanities most deep and complex problems. He's growing a family...
Of philo-sophia
NOT A CULT lol...but it's obv he's the central
Vervaeken grammar and terms as it were ..
In This Little Corner of The Internet
to steal the culture
seriously John... I'm just plodding along watching cat videos and the rest and suddenly this comes into my feed. Everything stops and I mainline this wonderful, wonderful series into my brain. I cannot thank you enough. I dont want it to end.
These are the best lectures I have ever had the fortune to "attend".
This might be one of the most important series in the worls, bringing it all together. Sir, you are actualizing not only yourself, but also us as viewers. Thank you so much 💜
Aristotle: Hold my book
ROFL
I was cracking up at that part
Book,book,book, book,book,book..ah and here is my book on Infinity
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It’s unstoppable to listen this lecture series. Not everything understand immediately ,but the whole thing is fascinating and interesting, it’s deep! To look hard to oneself , to grow up!
I am genuinely astounded at how he manages to drop something of insane depth and insight into every new lecture. These lectures are phenomenal.
Thank you John. Please keep up the phenomenal work. No one else has connected all of these individuals, ideas and stories like this before. I can't even imagine the value your current work will have on future generations of wannabe philosophers who have little more than an internet connection and a fleeting curiosity about the shit they don't yet understand.
I want to be the very best,
Like no one ever was.
To connect them is my real test,
To combine them is my cause!…
I will travel across the land,
Searching far and wide.
Each Philosopher to understand
The power that's inside!)
Wannabe Philosophers!
Gotta catch em' all!
@@flor.7797 epic
The density and speed of good information and concepts in this series is phenomenal. I agree with others who have likened it to a "flow state," where I feel like I understand but can barely keep up with all the wisdom on display. Fantastically challenging and valuable for me... hopefully not just as entertainment, but something I can use to increase my wisdom and character. Working on it!
If my life is a puzzle, I just glimpsed the box with the completed picture.
My god.
Less cryptically, this is one of the rare moments where suddenly, in the most general sense, it all makes sense. Thank you John Vervaeke for restraining yourself for seven lectures to reveal these beautiful and transformative ideas. The incredible care you took to design this series shows with every new insight. I am at a loss for words with this one.
I really love this series. Its just what i have been looking for my whole life
Same.. in addition, I didn’t know I was looking
This series is simply a masterpiece. It feels like finding something I did not consciously know I was looking for. Thank you so much for it.
I felt like all the other episodes really came together nicely in this one. Geniusly crafted
You're such a fucking treasure. Thank you for your study and communication. Deep love
Erik Satie is a perfect touch for this series.
Holy crap John this is brilliant. When you were describing how brilliant Aristotle was and how his work sort of unlocked our (the western world... the east already knows!) understanding of how so many things things work it makes me think of pandora's box! From a spiritual perspective that need or desire for understanding is certainly a double edge sword at best. I would love to hear your perspective on finding the balance of accepting things as they are vs using knowledge the bend the world to meet our desires. I'm guessing Wisdom comes into play!
The modal confusion explanation was great. Confusing the having for the making was a lightbulb (notice my language!) moment for me.
It almost feels wrong or like some form of piracy that I'm receiving this length of brilliant information for free and is a travesty that these videos don't have exponentially more exposure. Found you when I stumbled upon your appearance on Jorden Peterson's podcast which was a semi-difficult watch but you handled it gracefully and still blew my mind with the topics you were able to get through. Thank you.
I watch a lecture every morning. I watch each of the lectures twice, and take more careful notes than I did for any class in university. I can't tell you why I'm so engaged but I'm sure Vervaeke is going to tell me.
This is so life-changing for me, thank you John!
I'm really trying to find errors in the rationality as these lectures go on chronologically. This has been a beautiful piece of work, John. Thank you. The conversation with JP and then Curt Jaimungal got me to your series.
Love from India, Amazing series. This man is a noble creature for putting this out there for people from all walks of life to help actualise themselves. One of the few people actually being multidisciplinary in their approach to answer questions that matter to them.
Really enjoying these lectures. Accessible but substantial. Cheers!
I’m definitely not smart enough to understand all of this, but I’m finding it very enjoyable.
I think I might go back to episode one next week and start taking notes. I have a rib injury, so have been watching these videos while using a back massager or BacKPod. Keeping me distracted.
Amazing work, John. Bless you for putting this all online for free. ❤️❤️
It blows my mind that this is available for free on the internet. What a time to be alive. I’m trying to be very focused while listening, yet I’m pretty sure that I could listen to each video many times and each time pick up on something I’ve missed before.
Thank you, sir, for this series!
I'm running through this series at two or three a day John. How happy I am to have discovered this. Really excellent explanations of why meaning can be missing in this lecture. Yet again, thank you very much.
I haven't learnt and grown so much in a long time... thank you John for sharing this with us, you're a light in the darkness ❤
The last 15 minutes of this episode has left me speechless. I cannot stop listening to this podcast!
I studied this stuff back in the 70s,still love it.
I've just stumbled across this lecture series and It's brought so much clarity to my life. I hope you're aware of how much your work means to others.
31:19 31:19 31:00 to be an agent is to be capable of pursuing your goals, it is to be able to organize your cognition and your behavior so that your actions fit the situation, they fit the environment
The final section regarding modal confusion was so powerful I suspect that I will return to it again and again and this is only episode 7. Amazing and valuable information I'm so glad I finally discovered it. Thank you!
John Vervaeke, you're like this meaningful ideas synthezier machine man!
Amazing stuff!
This life changing. Thank you
We pursue the being needs from the having mode, 100% on point
You obliterated whatever was left of my old patterns, I resonate with everything you explain.
I am forever grateful
This episode took extra effort for me to integrate concepts, but I deeply enjoyed it. Thank you, John, for sharing.
I have really enjoyed listening to these lectures up to now. They are informative and transformative.
I really appreciate this series. I can only spend about thirty minutes a day giving it my full attention, but it is such a treat when I do. Instead of ruminating, which I am inclined to do, I’m stepping outside myself to get a different perspective. What practical knowledge will stick and how I can apply that to myself personally is yet to be determined, but for now there is a tangible benefit for me to listen. Thank you.
Thank you very much for your time, John. Incredible.
Thank you. You give MEANING to youtube.....
Me, as a European, listening to John speaking about the arena metaphor of 'football': "Throwing the ball? Catching the ball? That's absurd!"
😆
Yeah exactly I had to reframe my reasoning :D
As an Argentine, the same happened to me😄
This is simply beautiful. Thank you so much for making this available.
@ 16:54 "When we've made sense of things, the pattern in our mind is the same as the pattern in the world." The depth of this concept is so indescribable, yet, we MUST try to describe it, otherwise we cannot talk about it, tell stories about it, or try to imitate it. We have done that already with the letters G-O-D.
Looking at each episode takes me at least twice the duration (2hrs) since I don't speak English very well, and even though automatic subtitles help a lot, I need to rewind several times to be able to understand each phrase accurately. Even if it took me four times longer, I would still watch the series with the same enthusiasm and satisfaction as I do now. John, I want to tell you that I have no words to express my gratitude for publishing your stunning work; I truly feel blessed to have found you. You are an extraordinary human being, and you deserve all the best. Thank you so much, John 🙏
Looking forward to the remaining 40+ episodes of this series. Thank you so much.
I had a sense that rationality was something more like what you described"its corrective" rather than simply being rational. According to my ethics teacher Kant thought peoples dignity was their capacity to reason. And my teacher thought that Kant was talking about or referring to logic, which didn't seem exactly right. It seemed better than that.
God this is life-changing. Thank you Dr. Vervaeke ♥️
This is one of the most important videos I've ever watched
What did you learn ?
Now I really wanna have that red cup :-)
Seriously, this is so inspiring on so many levels. Thank you!
that magnum ad. you just get me Vervaeke.
Slowly realizing the genius of the Friday upload, bout to dive into this one
I can’t express how thankful I am for these videos. Thank you Sir.
I swear the most valuable things are usually hidden, like gold.
I read something at the end of Man’s Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl. It was Latin for something like, “all great things are as difficult to find as they are to realize”
You are right. All truly valuable things are hidden.
Thank you professor
What a gift this Man is. BRILLIANT!
John, I cannot thank you enough. A real teacher in this day and age. Is there a chance you create the same type of content, but curated for children and adolescents? If I could explain this to my kids, I would not be afraid of having them as much.
Thank you so much for taking the time to do these lectures. Can’t wait for more of your content!
I see your subtle addition of humor to these works John! 👌🏾👌🏾
THANK YOU!
😀💞thank you for sharing ...Beautiful.
Oh gosh, did you drop the mic with that Magnum add in the end! Also a very insightful note on the difference between 'making love' and 'having sex' and what the words imply. You are clearly on the right mission here. Looking forward on your discussion with Paul Vanderklay!
Blessed by this. Thank you.
What is a friend? A single soul dwelling in two bodies.
If things do not turn as we wish,we should wish for them as they turn out.
Aristotle.
I like the arena term, I immediately think of athletics
The part of world view and conforming to it made me immediately think of this and realize the deeper meaning behind it.
12 Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God-this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is-his good, pleasing and perfect will.
Amazing connection!!! There is SO much more to this than I thought. Every lecture proves how important Biblical literacy is no matter what you believe.
This is an excellent excellent series.
Your lectures are a pure delight!!
Brilliant!
Beautiful! In the Hungarian language the word "tud" expresses both the cognitive/ intellectual knowing and the being able to do something. No distinction but for the context which makes it evident in what sense I am using the word.
Thanks. This is great.
I really appreciate YOUR time JV ❤️🍄 truly amazing work
Currently working on my phd on Aristotle’s theory of hylomirphic change in the sublunar sphere. I just found this series and I’ve paused the video at 2:18 to say that this is perhaps the very best and succinctly clear presentation of Aristotle’s hylomorphic dynamism as applied to nature (physics). I can’t wait to hear the rest and please feel free to contact me if you want to discuss anything Aristotelian!
Could you further describe this theory of hylomirphic change in the sublunar sphere?
Thank you very much for your time 🙏🏼
I see emerging problem. i understand his lectures, but his language is so precise that i have no ability to tell that in my native language wchih is also my language.
inside talk can shift for another one, it takes time, practice again and...
thank you for your work!!! i´m geting a lot out of this! they should teach this stuff in schools more. pls keep going!
Making a mind at one with the universe has been my aim from the beginning. I never took even a beginning philosophy class, so this is helpful. I actually thought all those things up that they did, came to the same conclusions about character, but there is a lot more to the epistemological story. To prepare a mind that is at one with the universe is printed in Sanskrit on the gas door to my car. Makes it more meaningful there. Makes the point you make too. I am like Aristotle in that I have 1000 books in me. I have told people that discussing my ideal career.
My basic skill is to see how everything works together to create what we see in the world. I used to stay home from school to read physics books in high school 😂 and psychology too. I didn’t really need to take any philosophy classes. They just teach people to think better. I’m the “thinker” personality and the ideas are pervasive so I just got it. My mom told me air was particles as a kid and I figured out the gas laws. I built a couple engines from scratch for my cars in between classes at college. I carefully planned the components and it was so rewarding to think how they all worked together and when I touched the key after so much work they started so easily. 🥰❤️So yeah I always marvel at the details of those things and learned new names for concepts I already have… like “anagogic” -one of my favorite concepts. I didn’t know anyone was aware of those things even at this level. I want to say that motivation (even subconscious motivation, which is not subconscious with me) is MUCH More important than an education.
Jordan Peterson is one of my favorite thinkers because he wrote some about that one aspect of the concept. There is a lot more to the story. I’m sure you know or suspect that.
When you said that Aristotle could write books on so many topics, yep, that’s me. I could easily do that. And considering we live in an information society that is saying a lot. I’m pretty sure I am a mutant if not an alien. Nice to hear that there is at least a historic context. I think like him too. It’s like they were an echo into the past from what I did. It’s that familiar.
When I begin to tell people who they are and what the universe is, the curtain on meaning will be lifted from their subconscious minds. I worried about that for decades. But I don’t ever just worry. I do. I saw the potential chaos economically and every other way. I am really good with understanding interlocking complex systems. Especially with the computer models now. So I will be fulfilling my destiny soon. Which is to destroy chaos which threatens my children. Don’t worry, I’m not dumb enough to think that means war or something… thankfully 😅 it’s simply erroneous information. Really, that’s the enemy. I am intimately familiar with what is outside this universe as you call it. I like that name. 🥰 I will not just tell you-I will show how you can see it. Of course. Once you do, it’s going to be pretty obvious.
I still need support. I tried applying for a grant but no one knows who I am and they don’t know why they should listen. I felt like Socrates 😂 People don’t know what they don’t know obviously. Which makes the whole public grant system a circus at times. I still love all research. I was there when they built the Keck Observatory-I mean literally I drove up there in the rental car 😂 I have pictures. My new wife back in 1993 was not happy. The rental car wouldn’t go because it was tumed to sea level… and the dirt switchbacks were steep. I had to back up and floor it as the car came to a complete stop with the pedal to the metal several times… 😳 I did apologize to her later. It was our honeymoon 🥰
The only reason I say all this is because you fill me with joy and hope. And I know you and people watching this series will understand. Thank you again from the bottom of my heart for your work, your vision. Much love to you. ❤️❤️❤️❤️🙏🏻 I know what is in your heart. 🥰 Take care, maybe one day we will meet. Depends on how things go with my next book I guess. Your spirit made me actually cry. Just to be honest. Out of joy. Thanks 🙏🏻
Interesting humans beings in here
Brilliant! Moving on to the next.
Little river band - cool change. RR creates intimacy, thanks algo for feeding this to me again... 3+ time - 4 years later
Thank you.
Meaning in life is all about experiential alignment with reality, which is the mode that mindfulness cultivates
Thank you so much for this work John!
Conformity with reality, where the pattern in your mind is the pattern that's in the world - in other words a confluence.
I like the way there seems to be a connection with the 'con' prefix, where the words seem to describe the method of moving from a conscious 'conceptual space' - into a 'constructed' space, moving through the constraints, making contact through connections with us along the way.
Even as you describe co-identification, I feel like that could be replaced by 'conjoined' - Maybe it's just fluff, but I think there could be something deeper around our language that speaks to the implicit unspoken truth of the world.
It would be useful to have abridged transcripts that we can review after watching, maybe before the next episode. Also useful to be able to use them to do a quick scan of all the previous episodes to pick up on larger patterns. I'm enjoying these, thanks very much.
Or a glossary for key words introduced in the videos. A key for helping people incorporate the ideas as well as bring more people into the learning process is relatability. Making it easier for people to 'adopt' words, word combos, topic specifi connnotations, helps. If it's relatable/ people can 'put it in their own word' they will. I believe relatability is as much of a key to giving something viral potential as salience.
If his goal is greater communication between disciplines than these are great ideas!
Especially so people can refer to a glossary to see if how they interpret terms is the same as the speaker or if theyve used other terminology in the past for similar concepts.
@@andrewswanlund This would be absolutely critical to me. These concepts heavily build on and rely on each other. Just listening to him talk (which I was initially doing in a podcast fashion) is not enough for me to feel like I'm really internalizing the meanings. The glossary alone would be a great, er, psychotechnology. 😅
@@andrewswanlund Yes, please! I'm still trying to understand how it's spelled the "accio"? "axio"? revolution
NOTES!
“The core of rationality is your capacity for reflectively realizing your capacity for self deception and illusion, and for self-correction, and for Aristotle that self-correction is also a process of realizing your potential through the process of cultivating your character.”
With the example of trying to get with a girl named “susan”, he explains “intersubjective agreement”. After we’ve determined that our “organ is operating optimally, environment optimal/really good, then I look for if other people have experienced it”. This seems to be getting at the entirety of how we approach philosophy, and indeed epistemology. After we’ve determined we’re in the right state of mind and environment to be asking the questions, and we’ve determined we’re asking the right questions, then we can inquire as to others’ opinions on the matter. This also relates to the scientific method, and the forming of a hypothesis into a theory.
“This is how on a daily basis try to make sure that you’re in touch with things”
@25:00 he talks about how Aristarchus? knew about the geocentric earth, the cosmos, and relativity, and how the geocentric world view works with “con-formity” in our knowing/being self. How these two play off each other helpfully, we have an account of our “world view” and an account of how you know the world, and “these mutually support each other in very strong bonds of plausibility.” “A deep connection between your understanding of your understanding, and your understanding of the world”
This presents his idea of viewing the world as his coined “Arena” - a place that’s organized in such a way that you know how you can interact in it. “When you have a world view, you have an agent-arena coupling”
Charles Taylor talks about “Conformity theory” as a contact epistemology, so to know something is to be in contact with it, to participate in the same form as the thing. (participatory knowing)
Descriptive knowing = propositional knowing, as it to stand back and propose a description of the thing.
Participatory knowing is more in line with how cognition seems to work.
“When we’ve made sense of things, the pattern in our mind is the same as the pattern in the world”
Concerning the having mode versus the being mode, and the example of Siddharta Guatama, Vervaeke states that we confuse the two. We “suffer from modal confusion.”
Our culture is highly, obviously benefitted by the having mode. The more your culture can induce modal confusion in you, the more they can sell [to you].
Of course, Siddhartha leaves the palace.
54:26 for 10 seconds -- the video editor has a great sense of humor!
Life changing thank you Sir
John these lectures are amazing and have brought me, and by the comments, others, so much. They succinctly capture so much of what has been told disjointedly. Even though I have heard the story of the Buddha countless times, your telling revived the sense of beauty that I no longer saw in the story. Thank you for your hard work.
Thank you
8:25 The person who makes a chair knows deeper the *condradictions* of the chair and what a chair *isn't* and those antinomies are what makes him truly know the chair, that's Hegelian dialectics, the chair-maker knows the chair because he has faced and knows its condradictions, which he encounters when learning to build a chair.
So much psycho technology! We must apply it to ourselves for the sake of our character!!
That "here's my book line" got me lmao
I identify hard with the lack of a meta meaning system / world attunement. As early as I can remember I have felt disconnected from everyone, even family. I'm awkward as fuck in social situations still (I'm 53) because I can't seem to figure out the proper agent/arena relationship in any social situation. I say absurd things and try to bend the arena to my will - which ends badly and pisses people off. Not really sure how to correct this or if it's even possible to correct - it feels like I'm blind to feedback that most people get naturally from 'the arena'. I get the sense that this works for 'normal' people without effort, in other words they don't have to put any thought or effort into it, they just naturally get the feedback from the world and can adjust/confirm their actions effortlessly.
I hope you find this series and my other work helpful Scott.
This reminded me of a book called The Shattered Assumptions Theory. It's a theory about how psychological trauma is related to experiencing counterevidences to the hypothesis of our worldview.
Round Two - Even Better
Thanks professor, uhmm, can I have a one week extension on my report please?