I brought home some quartz samples using your methods for identifying them (flat surface, brown layer etc.) . Then I fire assayed them ( Butler torch method) and they were coming out at 7 ounces per ton. Thanks. By the way Mr Butler taught the torch assay method for many years and lived in Bodfish Ca with his wife near your favorite hunting grounds.
@@soggybottomgoldprospecting3586 In the early 1900s two chemists, Shepherd and Dietrick published weight formulas for spherical beads of Gold Silver and PGMs and published research using Oxy Acetylene, or Air kerosene Torches. It's a Field assay method, so not as accurate, but very efficient and quick compared to a standard fire assay in a laboratory. In the 1970s Charles Butler refined the process, and taught people to assay by the Torch method. He also wrote and published manuals. it involves crushing ore, mixing with litharge (Lead oxide) Flux, and borax glass, melting in a charcoal crucible (size of a large briquette) resulting in a lead button, then scorification of the button, and then cupellation of the button under an oxidizing torch flame. resulting in a precious metal bead (or no bead). The bead is measured under an optical comparator (40x pen microscope with a scale in the reticle in increments of 1/1000ths inch). Once measured then I refer to an index of bead size to weight. For instance, a gold bead measuring 20/1000ths inch will weigh 1.63 milligrams. so, if I had an ore charge weight of 1 gram then my assay result would be roughly 58 ounces per ton or 746 milligrams per pound. (very rare to find). It's an involved process and requires practice.
@@myadventure7069 Thank you very much! I use the vibration Sluice that Aussy Bloke Prospector uses for fine gold. I Classify and run equal sizes When Concentrated I dry it out. And put in a large gold pan and shake it all to the bottom. Then I tip the front of the pan up on my lap and Drum quickly with both hands like a drummer would. The overburden rolls back and the crazy fines all come out from underneath. I shake the overburden back to keep room out front for the fines to advance. Once separated, scoop them up with something and then repeat until you have it all. I had been re- fining them over and over i the same lead collector metal. But I frequently burn out crucibles i the fire. A charcoal forge set up. I really didn't know where to go next. I was smelting but my cupelling efforts were laughable. I may have some platinum groups or copper interfering. Always freezing Never completely cupelling. Something with a higher melting point in my way. Thank you for a direction in chemical refining of my fines.. Since my link will be censored I will put it below this post. I love you guys. Thanks for all the help. View from the Penthouse is monday nights about 7:00 central? Hard Rock University. I'm going there now.
Good show 🙂👍 I put a kid together for field testing. but you did a better job ! Now I will add to my kit the jar and the wire to hang the beekers on 🤔🙂
Thank you, professor, for your beautiful test, it was very useful and very practical. I had a question, when we heat our solution in the last step, the excess nitric will be eliminated by itself and there is no need for urea anymore. When we use urea, it is possible that the solution go towards alkaline and we can no longer recover gold metal easily. Because urea has its own problems.🙏🏻
If you don’t use urea your test can be false.you looking for gold ! For test you need use urea or sulfa mic acide . When you ol redy found the gold then to recover that gold you can do whatever you want.look at my videos where I use two spoons for testing one with nitric and another with no nitric . If you don’t kill the nitric you getting false results
Genius man i admire your advice and inginuitive ideas even poor mans methods with all do respect you give more knowledge then the rich and scholar that supposably teach how to proccess gold .. . you keep it simple and professional... Thank you
Sir, which one microscope you use for rock sympling. I have Carson microflip 100-250 but it need android cell. I have android also but I want like your microscope.
I brought home some quartz samples using your methods for identifying them (flat surface, brown layer etc.) . Then I fire assayed them ( Butler torch method) and they were coming out at 7 ounces per ton. Thanks. By the way Mr Butler taught the torch assay method for many years and lived in Bodfish Ca with his wife near your favorite hunting grounds.
What is the butler torch method?
Torch Fire Assaying Technique
by Charles Butler, Butler Lab, www.butlerlab.com
Charles Butler at Butler Lab has developed an assay procedure to be used as a supplement to furnace assaying of the noble metal ores. It is quick and inexpensive, with most assays requiring 15 to 20 minutes.
It is an excellent prospect tool and field guide for the drilling crews. It can also be used to assay mill run samples and tails, leach solutions, chemical precipitates and any of the noble metallic salts, including silver, gold and the platinum group metals. It is ideal for assaying wet or dry concentrates from one's recovery system and the flow water being used in said system. This water, when working with ores carrying water soluble values, will carry away a portion of one's values unless steps are taken to save them.
The infinite number of possible torch flame settings allows one to create the reductive or oxidizing flames when they are required. As a result, only two fluxes are required and we seldom have a failure. When difficulties do arise, we are made aware of it within a minute or so, allowing the assayer a chance to make any needed adjustments of the torch, or the addition of either type flux.
1. When assaying for the "noble metals," in order to free our metallic values, one must create a liquid fusion of the "assay charge." We do this by mixing our crushed sample with the proper assay flux and placing same inside a crucible. Then, with our oxy-acetylene torch adjusted to the proper oxygen to acetylene ratio, we create the "reductive flame" required to liquefy the assay. The intense heat from the torch, applied directly down over the assay, creates temperatures in excess of 2,000 degrees centigrade, enabling one to recover all of the noble metals, if present.
2. One needs a "collector" to collect and hold any liquefied gold, silver or platinum group values the tested sample may have contained. We accomplish this with one of our flux ingredients, "litharge" a lead oxide powder. When performing correctly, heat from our reductive torch flame changes this litharge to liquefied lead. This lead alloys, or combines with all the molten noble metals, except osmium, one of the platinum groups. When assaying specifically for the platinum metals, most assayers add a silver "inquart," either as foil or wire, to act as their collector, as silver does alloy with all platinum group metals. In addition, the extreme effects the PGM's have on the silver "beads," makes for easy recognition that platinum metals are present.
3. The fusion procedure must produce a 1/8 to 5/32 inch diameter lead "button." This lead will start to appear as real small, shiny beads, within the first 30 to 40 seconds, after applying the reductive torch flame to the assay charge, if everything is working as planned. Failure to observe any tiny lead beads, indicates "trouble." A few difficult ores do require the adding of a second measure of assay flux. When fusion is complete (everything liquefied) and all lead has settled to the bottom of the crucible, we dump the "slag," leaving the lead button in the crucible for "scorification,"
4. This step is the scorifying of the lead button to remove any "base metals" (metals other than noble metals) that were picked up by the molten lead. This is performed by adding a small pinch of borax glass, then applying a highly oxidizing torch flame. The lead button will catch on fire, burning at over 3,000 degrees centigrade. This high heat changes all base metals to "scoria" or ash, which joins the molten borax glass as a slag, for disposal. The somewhat smaller lead button, containing any noble metal values that were present, is dumped out onto an aluminum plate for cooling.
5. The next step is to "cupel" the button, to dispose of the lead. Our cupels are small, bone ash cups. Their porosity adsorbs the liquid litharge, created by the oxidizing of the lead button, with the oxidizing torch flame. Cupelling is complete, when the button, growing smaller, becomes a bead, refusing to reduce in size any further. After the torch is withdrawn, most beads will "blick," or flash, just as they begin to cool, at the very instant they change from liquid to a solid. These beads are referred to as "dore beads," as they may contain any or all of the noble metals, silver, gold, platinum, palladium, iridium, osmium, rhodium and ruthenium. The assayer must determine which, with additional testing.
All measurements and computations are based on the volumetric principal, instead of by weight. This, since scales sufficiently accurate for this work would be very expensive and inappropriate for outdoor use. A small, accurately calibrated spoon is used to measure out the material to be tested. A spoon five times larger is used for measuring the flux. The noble metals are recovered as a small, round bead, its diameter is measured with a 40X power, optical comparator, rather than weigh them, to determine the value of the ore which produced them. Through measurement and the use of our "discoloring solution," most ores can be evaluated. However, some beads do require "parting" with nitric acid and distilled water to remove the silver, then rebeaded, before their ore can be evaluated. The discoloring procedure lets us know when parting is necessary. Actually, parting is seldom required, as at least 90% of one's tests can be evaluated through use of natural observation and the "Bead Discoloring Procedure." It readily identifies all beads containing 75%, or more, silver and lets one know the approximate silver content, ranging from 75% to 100%. The results are expressed in "Troy Ounces" of silver or gold and platinum group metals per ton of materials being assayed.
The following facts, comparing the torch assay procedure with the conventional, furnace fire assay, will further indicate the different ways in which this technique has advanced the art for the prospector and miner.
1. There is no massive furnace to be heated, only a small assay weighing a few grams and a two-ounce crucible.
2. The "fusion charge," in the conventional assay, just lies there, within the crucible, without benefit of any appreciable mechanical stirring to assure that the molten lead will come into contact with the entire melt, during fusion. In our method, the crucible is manually rocked around in a circular motion, and in addition, the flame is used to stir the melt, assuring complete alloying of the lead and any noble metals contained within.
3. The method eliminates removal of any tiny beads from the cupels, cleaning and weighing them. This is a tedious task, at best.
4. The entire process is carried out under one's visual observation, from start to finish. This allows for the immediate adjustment, if necessary to correct for conditions caused by some troublesome ores.
5. The light weight, mobile equipment can be taken to a field site if needed.
6. With the Torch Assay Procedure, one can develop, prove and promote his gold, silver or platinum property.
7. Probably, the most important feature is the fact that one receives an answer within minutes, instead of hours, days, or weeks.
J-Tech (Jensen Technologies, LLC) has developed a full scale Fire Assay capability. Please, inquire for availability.
Reprinted and edited from Charles Butler, Butler Lab, www.butlerlab.com
This article was contributed by Jensen Technologies, LLC whose laboratory is located at 15985 S. Golden Rd, Unit H, Golden, CO 80401. Their phone number is (303) 478-3929 and their FAX number is (720) 542-3498. You may find out about their Laboratory Services by contacting admin@jensentechnologiesllc.com by e-mail. Their website is www.jensentechnologies.com where all the information is available.
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@@soggybottomgoldprospecting3586 In the early 1900s two chemists, Shepherd and Dietrick published weight formulas for spherical beads of Gold Silver and PGMs and published research using Oxy Acetylene, or Air kerosene Torches. It's a Field assay method, so not as accurate, but very efficient and quick compared to a standard fire assay in a laboratory. In the 1970s Charles Butler refined the process, and taught people to assay by the Torch method. He also wrote and published manuals. it involves crushing ore, mixing with litharge (Lead oxide) Flux, and borax glass, melting in a charcoal crucible (size of a large briquette) resulting in a lead button, then scorification of the button, and then cupellation of the button under an oxidizing torch flame. resulting in a precious metal bead (or no bead). The bead is measured under an optical comparator (40x pen microscope with a scale in the reticle in increments of 1/1000ths inch). Once measured then I refer to an index of bead size to weight. For instance, a gold bead measuring 20/1000ths inch will weigh 1.63 milligrams. so, if I had an ore charge weight of 1 gram then my assay result would be roughly 58 ounces per ton or 746 milligrams per pound. (very rare to find).
It's an involved process and requires practice.
@@myadventure7069 Thank you very much! I use the vibration Sluice that Aussy Bloke Prospector uses for fine gold. I Classify and run equal sizes
When Concentrated I dry it out. And put in a large gold pan and shake it all to the bottom. Then I tip the front of the pan up on my lap and Drum quickly with both hands like a drummer would. The overburden rolls back and the crazy fines all come out from underneath. I shake the overburden back to keep room out front for the fines to advance. Once separated, scoop them up with something and then repeat until you have it all.
I had been re- fining them over and over i the same lead collector metal. But I frequently burn out crucibles i the fire. A charcoal forge set up.
I really didn't know where to go next. I was smelting but my cupelling efforts were laughable. I may have some platinum groups or copper interfering. Always freezing Never completely cupelling. Something with a higher melting point in my way. Thank you for a direction in chemical refining of my fines.. Since my link will be censored I will put it below this post. I love you guys. Thanks for all the help. View from the Penthouse is monday nights about 7:00 central? Hard Rock University. I'm going there now.
Here you go ruclips.net/video/kMLD-SwRLpE/видео.html&pp=gAQBiAQB
Good show 🙂👍 I put a kid together for field testing. but you did a better job ! Now I will add to my kit the jar and the wire to hang the beekers on 🤔🙂
Make video Hou you make field testing set ! I like to see that .
You are a great teacher sir.thank you very much
You have given very detailed information. Thank you very much.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you, professor, for your beautiful test, it was very useful and very practical. I had a question, when we heat our solution in the last step, the excess nitric will be eliminated by itself and there is no need for urea anymore. When we use urea, it is possible that the solution go towards alkaline and we can no longer recover gold metal easily. Because urea has its own problems.🙏🏻
If you don’t use urea your test can be false.you looking for gold ! For test you need use urea or sulfa mic acide . When you ol redy found the gold then to recover that gold you can do whatever you want.look at my videos where I use two spoons for testing one with nitric and another with no nitric . If you don’t kill the nitric you getting false results
Excellent video
thank you for sharing the knowledge
I was exploring some places in nevada
we found lots if silver ore
but little gold
Very cool!
Very informative thank,s Sir.
You are genius in the small things! Thank you.
Wow, thanks!
Nice field set. You should box it up and sell it.
Not a bad idea
Love it. Great video mate love the experiments
I love it when it turns pitch black instantly
Yess I like that too.
Your enthusiasm is contagious thank you
Genius man i admire your advice and inginuitive ideas even poor mans methods with all do respect you give more knowledge then the rich and scholar that supposably teach how to proccess gold .. . you keep it simple and professional... Thank you
What an amazing setup! Thank for sharing your experiences with us.
Have you used a metal detector or gold detector to detect if gold is in the rock?
Thank you very much for the explanation, but I am wondering if potassium nitrate is an alternative to nitric acid
Yes you can use any nitrate to make nitric acide .
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Can u show us how to melt gold with safety method please?
Nice video! Simple and effective method. Can you tell me the concentration of the KNO3 and Urea solutions? Thanks! -- Dave
I add kno3 and urea to water till it stop dissolving
@@myadventure7069 Yes, so I thought. Thanks. -- Dave
do you mean (If you want FIND the gold you must have gold field testing equipment) ??
What a neat set up you have created. Beautiful mind you have and creative construction. Very nice good job buddy. Thank you
Thank you kindly
Are you using potassium nitrate or nitrite?
I using potassium nitrate kno3
Congratulations.
Thank you!
Sir good day may ask permission in your account what water solution to use in the stone to identify the gold in the stone and how to clasify
Tin chloride . Sncl2
Approximately how long does the SnCl last in an air tight container ?
4 weeks
Отличное решение Браво!
Спасибо рад старатса😜
Sir, you make an video Palladium and platinum please
I relay don’t have done nothing with palladium and platinum ,but soon I start doing that
@@myadventure7069 thanks
nice
Very very good and cool.thanks a lot 🌺🌹🌹🌺
Welcome 😊
I have urea in solid form ... how to make a solution?
Dissolve in water .
@@myadventure7069 any quantity ?
Sir, which one microscope you use for rock sympling. I have Carson microflip 100-250 but it need android cell. I have android also but I want like your microscope.
2in1 60X 30X Magnifier Loop Magnifying Glass Jeweler Eye Loupe Lens & LED Light
I have the same microscope as 60x. It even shows the bottom of the grain of sand, if there is micron gold
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I tried the method like in the Vidio it doesn't dissolve sir
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I heat up 10 minutes sir
What chemicals you used
@@myadventure7069 kno3+HCL heat
urea&smb sir🙏🙏🙏
Laboratório de teste muito prático,gostei.