This is one of the best programs in the history of television. And I love the original commercials, too! The March of Dimes reference is very much current in mid-2022 with polio possibly making a comeback.
Wow!! Never heard that before. How did that information become known, and did Johnnie Ray or Dorothy Kilgallen ever admit he was the father of her youngest child?
Johnny Ray is the epitome of a kind and gentle soul. I am so glad they chose to spend some time with him rather than rush through a guest for two minutes.
I learned some interesting things about Johnnie Ray on his Wiki page. Apparently, he'd been caught by undercover cops at least three times soliciting sex with men. Also, is most likely fathered Dorothy's third child, Kerry, who was born while she was married to someone else.
So much fun to see the complete episode with commercials and all the other asides that were removed from so many of the others. Gives you a sense of what the program was like to watch in it's entirety in 1954.
I have a Lady Remington shaver of that era and it still works! I also have my mom's 1952 Hamilton Beach mixer, another sponsor of this show... Also still works! Stuff was built to last back then
@@LazyIRanch They sure did build things to last in those days. I have an American Flyer train set, with some electrical accessories, from 1957, and all of it still works. And while they are not electrical or mechanical, the Revere Ware pots and pans that I got from my mother's kitchen after she passed away are in wonderful condition: they were made before I was born in 1951.
Arlene's new blindfold: still has the eyelashes but now it looks like she's winking. And I especially loved her gown and the highlights in her hair in this episode.
Such an intellectual show with class and intelligence on display by everyone involved always. I wish programs like this would come back on without the trappings of modern prime time game shows, shouting, dancing, and blinking lights.....
It's week six of the WML "Summer of Upgrades"! Every Sunday this summer, I'll be posting significant upgrades of episodes already posted here on this channel. Tonight's video adds back the original Stopette commercials, thanks to a complete copy at the Internet Archive. If you're not already a member of our Facebook group, now is a great time to join! Every Sunday evening (10:30pm NYC time, naturally) a bunch of us watch an episode at the same time so we can chat about it as we watch. We've been doing this all year, and it's always a blast-- the time ***flies*** by. If you're interested, please check out the group and join in the live chat tonight! And if you are interested in joining in, you'll probably want to delay watching this episode till the chat starts tonight! (There's more information in the group.) Link to the WML Facebook group: facebook.com/groups/728471287199862/ Please click here to subscribe to the WML channel if you haven't already-- you'll find the complete CBS series already posted, and you'll be able to follow along the discussions on the weekday "rerun" videos: ruclips.net/channel/UChPE75Fvvl1HmdAsO7Nzb8w
From Wikipedia: "At age 13, Ray became deaf in his left ear following a mishap that occurred during a Boy Scout "blanket toss." In later years, Ray performed wearing a hearing aid. Surgery performed in 1958 left him almost completely deaf in both ears, although hearing aids helped his condition."
Sad, how simple pleasures like the blanket toss can go so wrong. A kid in our neighborhood lost control of his sled & at the bottom of the hill, he slammed into a car's exhaust pipe & got a very serious head injury. It's a physical world though, so we're bound by the laws of physics.
I was familiar with Johnnie Ray as a singer because his 1956 hit "Just Walkin' in the Rain" was often played as Solid Gold in the 1960's on Top 40 R&R stations and because of his reputation as an emotional singer (as epitomized by his pre-rock era hit, "Cry"). It was the first time I ever saw him in person, however. I never knew he wore a hearing aid in his left ear and that things became even worse after surgery in 1958. I've always marveled at the story of Beethoven composing masterpieces even after he became totally deaf. But at least he had his memory of full hearing and music to rely on. And he wasn't performing, although when he conducted an orchestra he had no way to know how the musicians were playing. But singing is a different situation altogether. I enjoy karaoke, but I won't do it any more in a noisy bar where it is impossible to hear myself. I have no way to monitor my voice.
Hearing aids are only made for speech. Music sounds like all different instruments playing different tunes. He was miraculous. AND his foundation to help deaf children is still on today.
Dorothy wasn't having relations with her husband at this time due to his philandering. Kerry is Johnnie Ray's son. After Dorothy's death, Kolmer disowned Kerry, and he grew up in foster care.
I found it interesting that the first contestant didn't know what brand of baseballs she was stitching. Apparently the name/logo is stamped on the horsehide after the baseball is completely assembled. According to the Wikipedia article on Perkasie (PA), the baseball were produced for Spalding in a factory in Perkasie (now closed).
Unfortunately the modern Remington shaver quality is gone. The company was bought by Victor Kiam because of the quality of the products. He even did their commercials for many years. After he died in 2001 the quality really dropped. I have owned several of their lady shavers. The ones made in the 1990s were excellent. The couple i bought this century are very cheap.
The WML team loved it when garbage could be the "product involved". It would confuse the panelists for many a challenger as they would naturally think of something being made for someone to purchase. Based on the game play in this episode, it looks like Dorothy in putting the clues together is no longer fooled as she zeroes in on garbage quickly. The only thing that stumped all of them was what the second challenger had to do with garbage. They didn't make the leap from land-based to being on the water.
26:43 - It seems that ZIP codes were not yet in use (or at least not in common use) in 1954. But it's interesting that there was some kind of numeric code in the address, as John gave it as New York 22, New York.
Per Wikipedia: "The early history and context of postal codes began with postal district/zone numbers. The United States Post Office Department (USPOD) implemented postal zones for many large cities in 1943." The 22 mentioned is a zone number (or maybe a postal district - internet is unclear). Zip codes tended to incorporate those postal districts/zone numbers as the last two digits of the 5 digit zip code (ie, zone 6 became the terminal 06 in a zip code). Zip codes and the two letter state abbreviations were introduced in 1963. Some old movies, TV shows, TV ads, and print ads may include the zone number in a mailing address.
@@zekezacker9449 yes, growing up in a small burb of Cleveland, Ohio ; mail addressed to our home came with the 31. Cleveland 31, Ohio. Then when zip codes were presented in around 1963, our mailing addressed included the city we lived in with the zip code after the state. Independence, Ohio 44131
Here is what Wilkipedia said anbout the Ray-Kilgallen relatio nship. He was kind of a "flash in the pan" as his American career went downhill by 1960. "Ray had a close relationship with journalist and television game show panelist Dorothy Kilgallen. They became acquainted soon after his sudden rise to stardom in the United States. They remained close as his American career declined. Two months before Kilgallen's death in 1965, her newspaper column plugged Ray's engagements at the Latin Quarter in New York and the Tropicana Resort & Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada."
Johnnie Ray is the father of rock-n-roll. He was the 1st singer to take the mic out of the stand. He was the 1st to move on stage, years before Elvis. Sinatra and Bennett, Elvis all called him the father of rock and roll. Jerry Lee Lewis knocked his piano bench back because he saw Johnnie do it. Johnnie refused to hide who he was and as a result his career fell in the US because he was bi-sexual. However in Europe he still packed houses. I saw him perform at the Dunes in Las Vegas in 1982 and he was magnificent.
Steve Burrus I sure most people reading that already know he wasn't but just in case, to set the story straight....no, he wasn't a "flash in the pan". Circumstances led to his popularity being shortened, yes....but he has a star on the Hollywood Walk Of Fame, formed a bridge between the crooners and the rock n rollers and to this day, several decades after his immense popularity, his chapter in the history of pop music still endures.
@Jayne Johansen - Sadly for him, Kerry in adulthood looks way too much like Dick Kollmar to even necessarily make him related to Dorothy. Plus I had read of her affair in the good biography of her by Lee Israel. I recall that her 3 year affair with Johnnie Ray was in the late 50s-early 60s and not as early as Kerry's birth.
Actually, Dorothy Kilgallen, Arlene Francis, and Bennett Cerf are all very intelligent. Each one has his or her own expertise on different subjects so one time it will appear that one of them is smarter than the other two, and another time a different one will appear smarter than the other two.
At a flea market I found an old electric Remington and bought it for $5.00. And then I used it daily for fifteen more years!!! A wonderful experience. I was so sad when it finally passed away.
Each time someone of girth was on the show, the panel couldn't resist making snide remarks about their size. Those scoundrels were quite mean to Mrs. Detweiler
@@xaviermcnutt5039 That's right. Kids in the 1950s participated in a lot of very strenuous sports instead of being lazy and just stay indoors playing games on their phones 📱. Nuclear families (1 husband, 1 wife, and the children) was the norm back then. As a result, the mother was able to make sure that her family 👪 ate very nutritious meals every day. Therefore, when the children grew up, it was ingrained in them to eat well and to get plenty of exercise. As a result, overweight people were not common.
Eddie Fisher told me he still felt bad that he didn't lend Ray money that he needed. I guess thats when Eddie was in the chips. Jhonnie didn't coast when he was singing, he went ALL OUT. The audience would laugh when there was a close-up of Arlenes blindfold . . I wonder why . . hehehehe . . Dorothy's husband told Ray, to keep away from her but Dick Kollmar could fool around all he wanted, the hipacrite (sic) I am a fan of Kollmar in the radio version of Boston Blackie though.
More than one panelist referred to (which could be interpreted as criticized or made fun of) the guest's weight - the panelists were not as cordial as one might have thought.
From Google: According to lawyer and researcher Mark Shaw, Johnnie Ray's relationship with Dorothy Kilgallen produced her youngest child Kerry Kollmar, whom her husband Richard Kollmar disowned after Kilgallen's death in 1965.
@@TimothyTakemoto Her husband was a huge, steaming, smell piece of trash. There is soooooooooo much more to the Dorothy Killgallen story. That poor lady will never get justice for being un-alived.
Dorothy Kilgallen & Johnie Ray were having a affair at this time and Ray fathered Dorothy's youngest child in this year. They knew each other really well, and at the end look how Dorothy stares at Johnnie while he walks out, she was smitten.
I knew about their affair, but while i watched this show, I thought maybe she was just seeing him for the first time. Did the rest of the show’s personalities KNOW about them?
Mr. Cerf calls Mr. Daly rambunctious, interesting, my teacher called me that when I was a kid in grammar school in the 1960's, I didn't know what she meant back then. So I'm in good company, Lol!
It dawns on me that Dorothy Kilgallen gave birth to Johnnie Ray's son about five months prior to this appearance as the mystery guest there were no obvious clues to Dorothy's behavior. I don't know if Ray was ever informed that he was the father. I did read that Dorothy's husband, Richard Kollmar, disowned the child at some point after her death. In photos I've seen of that now grown child today there is a definite resemblance to Ray. Ray was said to be bisexual.
@Justin Stewart I believe it was 1988, two years after her beloved Martin,, who gave it to her, had died that she was exiting a taxi and it was snatched from her neck while she was getting out in NYC. It probably hurt her more to lose it when Martin was no longer around, as it was a token of his love.
@Justin Stewart I think it is reported as she was exiting a taxicab, which would mean she was probably in that partially bent position as one moves from sitting on the backseat to standing on the sidewalk, so was most vulnerable to someone just grabbing the diamond heart and tugging it off.
@@jaynerosajohansen4864 Yes, she wore it on most shows. Not quite always, but she also had a slightly larger diamond heart that she wore a few times around her neck and a fair number of times on a diamond tennis bracelet on her right or left arm. The arm differed on different programs. Once I saw her with both on at the same time, which confirmed the existence of two. Then, of course, there were those little diamond heart earrings with the drop in the center that matched the heart she usually wore at her neck.
Miss Debtwiler.... "my leather products were never alive"..... From a time Uncle Sam still had a thriving middle class , until Washington specialists decided it was a good thing to relocate the U.S. manufacturing base to Communist China ,where people still had no problems to manufacture our essentials under virtual slave labour conditions.
your dead on my friend. Johnny broke ground with his incredibly emotional style of singing. He was Elvis before Elvis and yet doesn't get the recognition that he rightly deserves. But of course his career was trashed because of the sex scandal that happened early on
Geez, has DeSantis already rolled out his revisionist American history education program? Rock n' roll was "fathered" by those who created, penned, and performed rhythm and blues. No credible music historian or scholar puts Ray anywhere near the top of that list. There are plenty of award-winning books and documentaries on rock and roll, where the people who created it tell you where it came from and who fathered it. None of these folks ever claimed that Johnnie Ray 'fathered' anything pertaining to rock and roll music.
@@waldolydecker8118To quote Wikipedia: "Ray has been cited by critics as a major precursor to what became rock and roll, for his jazz and blues-influenced music, and his animated stage personality. Tony Bennett called Ray the "father of rock and roll", and historians have noted him as a pioneering figure in the development of the genre."
Interesting he signed in as 'Johnnie Ray', but the sign at his seat is 'Johnny Ray'...the 1950s spellchecker (whoever that might have been) must have missed that.
The spellchecker also made the mistake of putting "Ricky" instead of "Rick" after Rick Nelson signed in as "Rick Nelson." I noticed that too about Johnnie Ray.
That was commercial TV back then: the sponsor ran the program, and on many occasions, the sponsor's name was part of the program's title. From the 1940s to the end of the 1960s.
Absolutely remember them. Kraft, Ge, Ford, Chrysler, Reynolds Aluminum Theaters. Hallmark Hall of Fame. Thats just the ones off the top of my head. Some special occasions they were commercial free except the sponsors at the beginning and end. Otherwise nothing but commercials from that sponsor. Seems like one about Nuremburg was commercial free.
johnny ray had a well-known affair with dorothy kilgallen. don't know if it was going on when he visited the show or it if happened later. but notice how quite dorothy got during the banter.
At 25:32 John Charles Daly urged people to contribute to the March of Dimes emergency campaign. The emergency was that the organization was paying for the care of a large number of polio patients who got polio in 1954 and in previous years. On August 10, 1954, the organization revealed that it was $32 million in debt. On August 12, it stopped paying hospitals for the treatment of patients. The organization had spent $19 million that year on gamma globulin to prevent polio and $7.5 million on the Salk vaccine. The Salk vaccine field trial, under the direction of Thomas Francis, Jr., involved 1,873,483 children, who either got no injection, an injection with a placebo, or one or more injections with the polio vaccine. At 10 a.m. on April 12, 1955, the anniversary of the death of Franklin D. Roosevelt, the results of the trial were announced at the University of Michigan. The efficacy of the vaccine at preventing paralytic poliomyelitis was 70.0%.
Didn't Johnnie Ray and Dorothy Kilgallen have a long-standing affair? I noticed that he wrote "Johnnie" on the board but the panel in front of him is "Johnny".
Mark Stewart He was a narcissistic egocentric man who, while very smart and talented looked down on others who weren't. He displayed the properties of one with an inferiority complex always needing to prove to others just how smart he was. He was a snob in general. Too bad since he was so very talented. A typical New York City celebrity who chose to forget that he wasn't always famous.
@@MegaRzen She did not. She found her husband in bed with a man in her OWN HOUSE and they decided after that their marriage was in name only--for professional purposes. He had hundreds of affairs with men and women for decades before this happened. Want some more actual facts?
Poor audio, or poor ears, made it so I could not understand Bennett's good night - was he playing on Jimmy Durante's, "Good night, Mrs, Calabash" (Durante had been saying that for a decade)?
I'm not entirely sure just what the relationship was between Dorothy Kilgallen and Johnnie Ray. They were close friends at the very least. But one thing that's part of the record is that Johnnie Ray was unquestionably gay and while homosexuality wasn't talked about in those days, apparently he never denied it when asked about it privately. So a lot of people in the entertainment industry knew it and his friends must have. Who knows whether Dorothy knew about him? I have the impression that she was conservative on a lot of issues, so it's possible the subject was never broached and if it was never discussed, she didn't have to worry about it. However, I have to wonder if it wasn't one of those very close friendships between a woman and a gay man that works so well because nothing sexual is ever an issue between them. As women I've known have observed, it's nice to go out and have a good time -- you can go dancing, to a show, the opera, etc., and when the evening is over, you say goodnight, having had a good time, and there are no "expectations" to worry about. It can work well for married women, too, especially if she and her husband don't enjoy going out together anymore and he's liberal enough to realize he has nothing whatever to worry about . . . .
I didn't notice so much til I read this....when Arlene guessed J. Ray the camera stayed on her only. Usually they pan to all 4 panelists..........trying to be polite?
Johnnie signs in with his left hand. On a later show he signs in with his right hand. Ambidextrous? Going both ways would be consistent with other things allegedly in his lifestyle. Great talent and apparently real nice guy in any case.
James Hepburn, good catch - sharp eyes! I think ambidexterous ability shows a very intelligent, creative brain! Johnnie's accomplishments were amazing: very early musical ability, piano playing, song composing, performing intense, entertaining shows...and actually doing this when he was almost completely deaf!
they were so refined on this show, but very blunt with heavy people. One woman came on and was very overweight and sold diet pills and they blatantly said, well I guess you don't take them. Very mean in front of an audience.
Tony Bennett said Johnnie Ray (an Oregon native) invented Rock-n-roll. I don't know, I have to agree with Little Richard, ELVIS Presley invented Rock-n-roll!
At that time there was a conclusive presumption that the child of a married woman was the child of her husband. Her lover boy had no legal responsibility.
Probaby before your time. Became popular before the era of "Rock and Roll" with a style of his own. With his good looks, surprising Johnny didn't have a wife. Sometimes he spelt his first name "Johnnie".
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When John asked Johnnie why he was in New York I half expected him to say "well John I'm here to see my kid"
This is one of the best programs in the history of television. And I love the original commercials, too! The March of Dimes reference is very much current in mid-2022 with polio possibly making a comeback.
"Give me one yes, sir. A girl tries so hard to get a yes from a fellow", that one killed me. 🙂
This one is interesting as Dorothy Kilgallan had his child 5 months earlier!!!
And what a beautiful baby he was.
😮😮😮
Although she was married to another man.
Wow!! Never heard that before. How did that information become known, and did Johnnie Ray or Dorothy Kilgallen ever admit he was the father of her youngest child?
Kerry. Dick - Dorothy’s husband was bisexual (she found out awkwardly) as was Johnnie.
Johnnie Ray comes across as a polite gentle man with a GREAT voice. He could easily have entertained everyone without music.
He certainly entertained some men sexually if his Wiki page is true. He also entertained Dorothy so much that a baby was born!
Johnny Ray is the epitome of a kind and gentle soul. I am so glad they chose to spend some time with him rather than rush through a guest for two minutes.
WML NOT A TALK SHOW They had some extra time to kill😊
I learned some interesting things about Johnnie Ray on his Wiki page. Apparently, he'd been caught by undercover cops at least three times soliciting sex with men. Also, is most likely fathered Dorothy's third child, Kerry, who was born while she was married to someone else.
@@robertjean5782 Usually, they try to get in an extra contestant, but my guess is they wanted the PSA for March of Dimes.
May well be, but this he do something for Kerry?
So much fun to see the complete episode with commercials and all the other asides that were removed from so many of the others. Gives you a sense of what the program was like to watch in it's entirety in 1954.
I have a Lady Remington shaver of that era and it still works! I also have my mom's 1952 Hamilton Beach mixer, another sponsor of this show... Also still works! Stuff was built to last back then
@@LazyIRanch They sure did build things to last in those days. I have an American Flyer train set, with some electrical accessories, from 1957, and all of it still works. And while they are not electrical or mechanical, the Revere Ware pots and pans that I got from my mother's kitchen after she passed away are in wonderful condition: they were made before I was born in 1951.
@@mikejschin I was born in the fifties and I still work. :)
@@stanmaxkolbe lol. So do I: even though I retired from paid employment 4 years ago, the wife makes sure I keep working around the house and yard. ;-)
@@mikejschin Yeah it will never end lol.
Arlene's new blindfold: still has the eyelashes but now it looks like she's winking. And I especially loved her gown and the highlights in her hair in this episode.
I think this is the best combo for the panel! Always funny together!
Such an intellectual show with class and intelligence on display by everyone involved always. I wish programs like this would come back on without the trappings of modern prime time game shows, shouting, dancing, and blinking lights.....
Nothing on currently that even comes close.
I LOVE these videos!
America was better Whlter.
It's week six of the WML "Summer of Upgrades"!
Every Sunday this summer, I'll be posting significant upgrades of episodes already posted here on this channel. Tonight's video adds back the original Stopette commercials, thanks to a complete copy at the Internet Archive.
If you're not already a member of our Facebook group, now is a great time to join! Every Sunday evening (10:30pm NYC time, naturally) a bunch of us watch an episode at the same time so we can chat about it as we watch. We've been doing this all year, and it's always a blast-- the time ***flies*** by. If you're interested, please check out the group and join in the live chat tonight! And if you are interested in joining in, you'll probably want to delay watching this episode till the chat starts tonight! (There's more information in the group.)
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Thank you so much for posting these.
Cute the way Arlene asked for a "yes".
Johnnie Rae seemed to me to be a genuinely nice person. He was well liked at the time and his reputation held up.
Dorothy & Johnny Rae have a baby together. It's weird to see him on the show
From Wikipedia: "At age 13, Ray became deaf in his left ear following a mishap that occurred during a Boy Scout "blanket toss." In later years, Ray performed wearing a hearing aid. Surgery performed in 1958 left him almost completely deaf in both ears, although hearing aids helped his condition."
Sad, how simple pleasures like the blanket toss can go so wrong. A kid in our neighborhood lost control of his sled & at the bottom of the hill, he slammed into a car's exhaust pipe & got a very serious head injury. It's a physical world though, so we're bound by the laws of physics.
Arlene's mask is hysterical!! Lol.
Totally ..I practically fell over when I saw it up cloise.
Ed Miller It's amusing though, yeah?
That looks like the CBS EYE on her mask. Yes it's funny.
Everytime the camera was turned on her the audience cackled! There must have been a monitor they were watching.
I was familiar with Johnnie Ray as a singer because his 1956 hit "Just Walkin' in the Rain" was often played as Solid Gold in the 1960's on Top 40 R&R stations and because of his reputation as an emotional singer (as epitomized by his pre-rock era hit, "Cry"). It was the first time I ever saw him in person, however. I never knew he wore a hearing aid in his left ear and that things became even worse after surgery in 1958.
I've always marveled at the story of Beethoven composing masterpieces even after he became totally deaf. But at least he had his memory of full hearing and music to rely on. And he wasn't performing, although when he conducted an orchestra he had no way to know how the musicians were playing. But singing is a different situation altogether. I enjoy karaoke, but I won't do it any more in a noisy bar where it is impossible to hear myself. I have no way to monitor my voice.
Hearing aids are only made for speech. Music sounds like all different instruments playing different tunes. He was miraculous. AND his foundation to help deaf children is still on today.
8:30 - You can see Dorothy looking at their hands to get an idea of what that might do
This one was fun!
I wasn't born when this showed aired ,now i am at retirement age.
I wasn’t either, and I am retired!
I just retired. Born in '57. I love these old, wonderful, cellphone-free days.
Johnnie Ray, very handsome, great singing voice.
Notice the body language when Johnnie said goodbye to Dorothy at the end of the game...they were rumored to have had a love affair in the 1950s.
😳
According to Wikipedia, they may have actually had a child together.
@@sstavsky I don't know how that rumor got started. People are saying that Kerry was Johnny's son, despite him look exactly like Richard Kollmar.
I don't believe rumors- especially in Hollywood. There are too many false rumors that get spread about celebrities.
Dorothy wasn't having relations with her husband at this time due to his philandering. Kerry is Johnnie Ray's son. After Dorothy's death, Kolmer disowned Kerry, and he grew up in foster care.
What a nice man -- good looking, gentle and TALENTED. Favorite song by him: "Look Homeward Angel".
I found it interesting that the first contestant didn't know what brand of baseballs she was stitching. Apparently the name/logo is stamped on the horsehide after the baseball is completely assembled.
According to the Wikipedia article on Perkasie (PA), the baseball were produced for Spalding in a factory in Perkasie (now closed).
Maybe the stamps were after her part of the process.
That's what she said.
Wow! Johnnie Ray introducing the premiere for “The Robe!”
Well, mistakenly. He was supposed to be introducing The Egyptian. The Robe came out the year prior to this show's air date.
Great show! To support these sponsors I'm adding them both to my shopping list.
Unfortunately the modern Remington shaver quality is gone. The company was bought by Victor Kiam because of the quality of the products. He even did their commercials for many years. After he died in 2001 the quality really dropped. I have owned several of their lady shavers. The ones made in the 1990s were excellent. The couple i bought this century are very cheap.
Remington 😮no longer exist
Oh thank goodness steve is back.
Sal Bazaz Not for long
@Ed Miller JERK!
The WML team loved it when garbage could be the "product involved". It would confuse the panelists for many a challenger as they would naturally think of something being made for someone to purchase. Based on the game play in this episode, it looks like Dorothy in putting the clues together is no longer fooled as she zeroes in on garbage quickly. The only thing that stumped all of them was what the second challenger had to do with garbage. They didn't make the leap from land-based to being on the water.
26:43 - It seems that ZIP codes were not yet in use (or at least not in common use) in 1954. But it's interesting that there was some kind of numeric code in the address, as John gave it as New York 22, New York.
I think ZIP Codes came about in the sixties?
Per Wikipedia: "The early history and context of postal codes began with postal district/zone numbers. The United States Post Office Department (USPOD) implemented postal zones for many large cities in 1943."
The 22 mentioned is a zone number (or maybe a postal district - internet is unclear). Zip codes tended to incorporate those postal districts/zone numbers as the last two digits of the 5 digit zip code (ie, zone 6 became the terminal 06 in a zip code).
Zip codes and the two letter state abbreviations were introduced in 1963.
Some old movies, TV shows, TV ads, and print ads may include the zone number in a mailing address.
@@zekezacker9449 yes, growing up in a small burb of Cleveland, Ohio ; mail addressed to our home came with the 31. Cleveland 31, Ohio. Then when zip codes were presented in around 1963, our mailing addressed included the city we lived in with the zip code after the state. Independence, Ohio 44131
@Paul71H. Now, a lot of times the zip code will have a 4 digits extension.
Here is what Wilkipedia said anbout the Ray-Kilgallen relatio nship. He was kind of a "flash in the pan" as his American career went downhill by 1960.
"Ray had a close relationship with journalist and television game show panelist Dorothy Kilgallen. They became acquainted soon after his sudden rise to stardom in the United States. They remained close as his American career declined. Two months before Kilgallen's death in 1965, her newspaper column plugged Ray's engagements at the Latin Quarter in New York and the Tropicana Resort & Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada."
Very close relationship I'd say. He's the father of Kerry🙄
Johnnie Ray is the father of rock-n-roll. He was the 1st singer to take the mic out of the stand. He was the 1st to move on stage, years before Elvis. Sinatra and Bennett, Elvis all called him the father of rock and roll. Jerry Lee Lewis knocked his piano bench back because he saw Johnnie do it. Johnnie refused to hide who he was and as a result his career fell in the US because he was bi-sexual. However in Europe he still packed houses. I saw him perform at the Dunes in Las Vegas in 1982 and he was magnificent.
Steve Burrus I sure most people reading that already know he wasn't but just in case, to set the story straight....no, he wasn't a "flash in the pan". Circumstances led to his popularity being shortened, yes....but he has a star on the Hollywood Walk Of Fame, formed a bridge between the crooners and the rock n rollers and to this day, several decades after his immense popularity, his chapter in the history of pop music still endures.
Michelle Jollie Hear hear.
No flash in the pan
I read Johnny Rays bio, interesting to say the least. His relationship with Kilgallen was interesting. Her third child, Kerry looks just like Johnny.
@Jayne Johansen - Sadly for him, Kerry in adulthood looks way too much like Dick Kollmar to even necessarily make him related to Dorothy. Plus I had read of her affair in the good biography of her by Lee Israel. I recall that her 3 year affair with Johnnie Ray was in the late 50s-early 60s and not as early as Kerry's birth.
I was only familiar with Johnnie Ray from Billy Joel 's We Didn't Start the Fire. Interesting to see who he really was
What about the song "Come on Eileen", by Dexy's Midnight Runners? The first line is, "🎶 Poor old Jonnie Ray 🎶".
@@shuroom57 That is why I am here. But Johnnie is a genius. Thanks Dexy's.
He also plays the cabdriver in the Billy Idol video "Don't Need a Gun..."
@@GenerationX1967Thank you.
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“Do you have some rather dignified title, like Commissioner of Garbage?”
The Commissioner of Garbage line certainly made me laugh out loud! Very funny, Arlene!
Well, he WAS a CAPTAIN.
Dorothy is the smartest member of the panel.
She's not. Cerf is. But Dorothy is pretty sharp.
Actually, Dorothy Kilgallen, Arlene Francis, and Bennett Cerf are all very intelligent. Each one has his or her own expertise on different subjects so one time it will appear that one of them is smarter than the other two, and another time a different one will appear smarter than the other two.
Dorothy was a investigative reporter for years 😊
At a flea market I found an old electric Remington and bought it for $5.00. And then I used it daily for fifteen more years!!! A wonderful experience. I was so sad when it finally passed away.
Dorothy: "I think he's an interior decorator." Bennet: "I think he's a makeup artist." Me: He really pinged your gaydar, huh?
He pinged for me...
Poor old Johnny Ray.
lol I get it. I see you're a Dexys Midnight Runners' fan.
he sounded sad upon the radio
Wow! That line really sounded familiar, then I looked it up and there it was, "Come on Eileen"
Pooooor old Johnnieeee Rayyyyyyyy....(people in the US have no idea what we're on about ha ha!)
@@davidsanderson5918 Au contraire mon frere,back in the eighties the video was playing non stop on MTV, I never did get to meet Eileen, though.
Johnnie Ray was charming
Each time someone of girth was on the show, the panel couldn't resist making snide remarks about their size. Those scoundrels were quite mean to Mrs. Detweiler
I hate when they do that. So rude.
Being overweight was not common at the time.
Never mind it was a tougher time the way it should still be.
I agree, especially since she already seemed nervous to begin with.
@@xaviermcnutt5039 That's right. Kids in the 1950s participated in a lot of very strenuous sports instead of being lazy and just stay indoors playing games on their phones 📱. Nuclear families (1 husband, 1 wife, and the children) was the norm back then. As a result, the mother was able to make sure that her family 👪 ate very nutritious meals every day. Therefore, when the children grew up, it was ingrained in them to eat well and to get plenty of exercise. As a result, overweight people were not common.
Eddie Fisher told me he still felt bad that he didn't lend Ray money that he needed. I guess thats when Eddie was in the chips. Jhonnie didn't coast when he was singing, he went ALL OUT. The audience would laugh when there was a close-up of Arlenes blindfold . . I wonder why . . hehehehe . . Dorothy's husband told Ray, to keep away from her but Dick Kollmar could fool around all he wanted, the hipacrite (sic) I am a fan of Kollmar in the radio version of Boston Blackie though.
Yeah that's where I heard the name Dick Kollmar on Sirius/XM Radio Channel 148 Radio Classics; Boston Blackie.
Wow Bennet called the baseball stitcher fat
More than one panelist referred to (which could be interpreted as criticized or made fun of) the guest's weight - the panelists were not as cordial as one might have thought.
Boo on him.
70 years ago it wasnt an insult, but an observation 😊
@@robertjean5782 I'm not sure the Sticker took it as an "observation"
will alwys love u johnnie.
So Mr. Daly is uncontrollably exuberant and boisterous - Rambunctious :-)
From Google: According to lawyer and researcher Mark Shaw, Johnnie Ray's relationship with Dorothy Kilgallen produced her youngest child Kerry Kollmar, whom her husband Richard Kollmar disowned after Kilgallen's death in 1965.
That's sad. I wouldn't disown a child I'd raised no matter the origin of the genes.
@@TimothyTakemoto Her husband was a huge, steaming, smell piece of trash. There is soooooooooo much more to the Dorothy Killgallen story. That poor lady will never get justice for being un-alived.
HE HAD AN AFFAIR WITH DOROTHY
Dorothy Kilgallen & Johnie Ray were having a affair at this time and Ray fathered Dorothy's youngest child in this year. They knew each other really well, and at the end look how Dorothy stares at Johnnie while he walks out, she was smitten.
*an affair
My mouth just dropped open!
I knew about their affair, but while i watched this show, I thought maybe she was just seeing him for the first time. Did the rest of the show’s personalities KNOW about them?
If they were having an affair I hope they'd know each other really well lol
Mr. Cerf calls Mr. Daly rambunctious, interesting, my teacher called me that when I was a kid in grammar school in the 1960's, I didn't know what she meant back then. So I'm in good company, Lol!
There are pitchers who can actually feel the difference in stitching
This was a blast. I wonder if this was when the affair between Dorothy and Johnny Ray began?
No, their son was several months old at this time.
It dawns on me that Dorothy Kilgallen gave birth to Johnnie Ray's son about five months prior to this appearance as the mystery guest there were no obvious clues to Dorothy's behavior. I don't know if Ray was ever informed that he was the father. I did read that Dorothy's husband, Richard Kollmar, disowned the child at some point after her death. In photos I've seen of that now grown child today there is a definite resemblance to Ray. Ray was said to be bisexual.
Thanks
Mrs. Frances's mask is a riot.
Arlene was wearing her diamond heart pendant necklace again.
@Justin Stewart I believe it was 1988, two years after her beloved Martin,, who gave it to her, had died that she was exiting a taxi and it was snatched from her neck while she was getting out in NYC. It probably hurt her more to lose it when Martin was no longer around, as it was a token of his love.
@Justin Stewart I think it is reported as she was exiting a taxicab, which would mean she was probably in that partially bent position as one moves from sitting on the backseat to standing on the sidewalk, so was most vulnerable to someone just grabbing the diamond heart and tugging it off.
She wears it on every show
Her earrings match the necklace and it now has a diamond hanging in the middle
@@jaynerosajohansen4864 Yes, she wore it on most shows. Not quite always, but she also had a slightly larger diamond heart that she wore a few times around her neck and a fair number of times on a diamond tennis bracelet on her right or left arm. The arm differed on different programs. Once I saw her with both on at the same time, which confirmed the existence of two. Then, of course, there were those little diamond heart earrings with the drop in the center that matched the heart she usually wore at her neck.
I'm reminded how simple life was in the U.S.
19:23 absolutely killed me
Miss Debtwiler.... "my leather products were never alive"..... From a time Uncle Sam still had a thriving middle class , until Washington specialists decided it was a good thing to relocate the U.S. manufacturing base to Communist China ,where people still had no problems to manufacture our essentials under virtual slave labour conditions.
Looks great, Enjoy! If you don’t eat them all I’m sure you could freeze it and eat it later
Johnnie Ray the father of rock n' roll
And the father of Dorothys son Kerry
your dead on my friend. Johnny broke ground with his incredibly emotional style of singing. He was Elvis before Elvis and yet doesn't get the recognition that he rightly deserves. But of course his career was trashed because of the sex
scandal that happened early on
Geez, has DeSantis already rolled out his revisionist American history education program? Rock n' roll was "fathered" by those who created, penned, and performed rhythm and blues. No credible music historian or scholar puts Ray anywhere near the top of that list. There are plenty of award-winning books and documentaries on rock and roll, where the people who created it tell you where it came from and who fathered it. None of these folks ever claimed that Johnnie Ray 'fathered' anything pertaining to rock and roll music.
@@waldolydecker8118To quote Wikipedia: "Ray has been cited by critics as a major precursor to what became rock and roll, for his jazz and blues-influenced music, and his animated stage personality. Tony Bennett called Ray the "father of rock and roll", and historians have noted him as a pioneering figure in the development of the genre."
@@rmelin13231Those pesky facts.
Oh I think Johnnie Ray’s voice was best recognized by Dorothy ;) Funny he said Steve Allen would’ve recognized it over anyone else
I don't think they'd met yet when this was filmed.
Things were so much more civil back then.
Interesting he signed in as 'Johnnie Ray', but the sign at his seat is 'Johnny Ray'...the 1950s spellchecker (whoever that might have been) must have missed that.
The spellchecker also made the mistake of putting "Ricky" instead of "Rick" after Rick Nelson signed in as "Rick Nelson." I noticed that too about Johnnie Ray.
This is one of a few misspellings of the nameplates for celebrity contestants over the years of What's My Line?
Poor old Johnnie Ray
Sounded sad upon the radio
Moved a million hearts in mono
Our mothers cried
Sang along, who'd blame them?
This was a time when a sponsor bought the entire commercial time.
That was commercial TV back then: the sponsor ran the program, and on many occasions, the sponsor's name was part of the program's title. From the 1940s to the end of the 1960s.
Absolutely remember them. Kraft, Ge, Ford, Chrysler, Reynolds Aluminum Theaters. Hallmark Hall of Fame. Thats just the ones off the top of my head. Some special occasions they were commercial free except the sponsors at the beginning and end. Otherwise nothing but commercials from that sponsor. Seems like one about Nuremburg was commercial free.
johnny ray had a well-known affair with dorothy kilgallen. don't know if it was going on when he visited the show or it if happened later. but notice how quite dorothy got during the banter.
Her youngest son, reportedly his, was less than a year old at this time of this episode.
And reportedly looks more like Johnnie than her husband Dick.
I think all of her children are still alive.
Poor old Johnnie Ray.
At 25:32 John Charles Daly urged people to contribute to the March of Dimes emergency campaign. The emergency was that the organization was paying for the care of a large number of polio patients who got polio in 1954 and in previous years. On August 10, 1954, the organization revealed that it was $32 million in debt. On August 12, it stopped paying hospitals for the treatment of patients. The organization had spent $19 million that year on gamma globulin to prevent polio and $7.5 million on the Salk vaccine. The Salk vaccine field trial, under the direction of Thomas Francis, Jr., involved 1,873,483 children, who either got no injection, an injection with a placebo, or one or more injections with the polio vaccine. At 10 a.m. on April 12, 1955, the anniversary of the death of Franklin D. Roosevelt, the results of the trial were announced at the University of Michigan. The efficacy of the vaccine at preventing paralytic poliomyelitis was 70.0%.
I love that mask Arlene is wearing.
Arlene with the evil eye.
Didn't Johnnie Ray and Dorothy Kilgallen have a long-standing affair? I noticed that he wrote "Johnnie" on the board but the panel in front of him is "Johnny".
Lee Vines is the announcer.
Arlene's mask is just a little disconcerting. (-:
Ginny Lorenz Hahaha!!
Too much..funny
At times Bennett is very uncouth.
Mark Stewart He was a narcissistic egocentric man who, while very smart and talented looked down on others who weren't. He displayed the properties of one with an inferiority complex always needing to prove to others just how smart he was. He was a snob in general. Too bad since he was so very talented. A typical New York City celebrity who chose to forget that he wasn't always famous.
Ben is awesome
The first woman is overweight so there is food mentioned. These days we wouldn't be so obvious and would mention indirectly her weight.
Mentioning being fat 70 years ago wasn't insulting, just an observation 😊
This captain is not happy...
Dorothy keeps her eyes on him as he left. They ended up having a long term friendship/relationship.
She committed adultery.
@@MegaRzen She did not. She found her husband in bed with a man in her OWN HOUSE and they decided after that their marriage was in name only--for professional purposes. He had hundreds of affairs with men and women for decades before this happened. Want some more actual facts?
@@broughtbackin Dorothy Kilgallen still had her 3rd son by Johnnie Ray
@@RonGerstein Tell me something I don't know. Lol...Stop stalking me.
Flies find garbage very attractive!
Is that why you can’t rid of them?
Poor audio, or poor ears, made it so I could not understand Bennett's good night - was he playing on Jimmy Durante's, "Good night, Mrs, Calabash" (Durante had been saying that for a decade)?
The audio isn't real good on this episode.
He's only 26 on this show.
Didn't Dorothy Kilgallen have an affair with Johnnie Ray when she was married?
I'm not entirely sure just what the relationship was between Dorothy Kilgallen and Johnnie Ray. They were close friends at the very least. But one thing that's part of the record is that Johnnie Ray was unquestionably gay and while homosexuality wasn't talked about in those days, apparently he never denied it when asked about it privately. So a lot of people in the entertainment industry knew it and his friends must have. Who knows whether Dorothy knew about him? I have the impression that she was conservative on a lot of issues, so it's possible the subject was never broached and if it was never discussed, she didn't have to worry about it. However, I have to wonder if it wasn't one of those very close friendships between a woman and a gay man that works so well because nothing sexual is ever an issue between them. As women I've known have observed, it's nice to go out and have a good time -- you can go dancing, to a show, the opera, etc., and when the evening is over, you say goodnight, having had a good time, and there are no "expectations" to worry about. It can work well for married women, too, especially if she and her husband don't enjoy going out together anymore and he's liberal enough to realize he has nothing whatever to worry about . . . .
On! I didn't know that. Thank you for making it clear for me.
Justine K Her son Kerry is purported to be Ray's son.
Oh! Really?!
I didn't notice so much til I read this....when Arlene guessed J. Ray the camera stayed on her only. Usually they pan to all 4 panelists..........trying to be polite?
Dorothy gave birth to Johnny Ray's child.
hat theater did this show take place??
The same theatre where the Ed Sullivan Show was produced.
"I know Mr. Allen so well" How well? ;)
Johnnie signs in with his left hand. On a later show he signs in with his right hand. Ambidextrous? Going both ways would be consistent with other things allegedly in his lifestyle. Great talent and apparently real nice guy in any case.
James Hepburn, good catch - sharp eyes! I think ambidexterous ability shows a very intelligent, creative brain!
Johnnie's accomplishments were amazing: very early musical ability, piano playing, song composing,
performing intense, entertaining shows...and actually doing this when he was almost completely deaf!
So Mrs. Detweiler looks like she enjoys food to Mr. Cerf. I wonder what she was thinking about that question. He carefully formed his question.
they were so refined on this show, but very blunt with heavy people. One woman came on and was very overweight and sold diet pills and they blatantly said, well I guess you don't take them. Very mean in front of an audience.
@@greneellen8 Yes, I saw that episode. Interestingly as a kid going to school in the 1960's we only had one or two what they called chubby kids.
Dorothy Kilgallen was best panelist because she never tried to be funny.
Dorothy didn't have a sense of humor 😮
Gotta say Bennett Cerf looks so classy in the white suit. So sophisticated. All the other episodes he wore black suits.
He looked like the Good Humor man.
Tony Bennett said Johnnie Ray (an Oregon native) invented Rock-n-roll. I don't know, I have to agree with Little Richard, ELVIS Presley invented Rock-n-roll!
Elvis didn't invent it. He borrowed ideas.
Elvis was the guy who made it popular across all races.
Dorothy picked some winners for "partners". One disowned her son after her death and the other never accepted responsibility for that son.
At that time there was a conclusive presumption that the child of a married woman was the child of her husband. Her lover boy had no legal responsibility.
She is lucky he did not divorce her. So if your wife had a child by another man, you would be okay with that?
When it came to love she wasn't very bright😊
Those shavers look swell.
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Interesting that the name plate on the desk says "Johnny Ray" for Johnnie Ray. I guess whoever made it wasn't familiar with him.
Simple question : Who WAS Johnny Ray anyway?
Hey! You know, we have this thing called the internet now, and it's awesome! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnnie_Ray
Probaby before your time. Became popular before the era of "Rock and Roll" with a style of his own. With his good looks, surprising Johnny didn't have a wife. Sometimes he spelt his first name "Johnnie".
@ Weather: He was homosexual and never denied it. His relationship with Ms. Kilgallen remains an interesting point of discussion.
Steve Burrus I'm 35 and even I know who he was. Google it.
When asked if it was once alive during the baseball stitcher segment they said no. That is wrong.
I have never seen a Baseball that was alive? Let's not talk about the skin that's stupid.
JOHNNY RAY ALSO HAD AN AFFAIR WITH JOHNNY MATHIS
It's true..
Where is this information from?
Why do they keep mentioning Mount Kisco when introducing Bennett. Today it's mostly Hispanic.
Arlene Francis and Bennett Cerf lived in Mt. Kisco for many years, as well as living in Manhattan apartments.
Baseballs are wrapped in cow hides, which had been alive (cows)
Not cows, steers😊
6:22 Breadbox
Dorothy and Johnny Raye had an affair gor several years.
Sure did and her son looks just like him
Why?
It's said her youngest son may be his.
And her youngest son, reportedly Ray's son, was less than a year old at this time.
I wonder if the panelist and John knew about the baby.
What's a Scow?🤔🎩
A barge full of garbage😊