Not really. She's still an unintelligent misanthrope who's trying to shoehorn religion into a world where none makes sense anymore. So hard to stomach conversations with her after the shining brilliance that is Eleanor.
Funnily enough I just thought at first she wasn't someone who wanted a relationship, which was actually more chill for me to understand. Then she started calling me bebe and showing interest and lightheartedness all of a sudden and I was like "Ohhhh!~ Ok~ I see you~ Let's try it." Honestly I like her and Aoi more than Eleanor because Ellie basically hit me with the cop out of "I can't believe I thought we had something in common" 😂 Like what? SORRYYYY I got balls to stand up and fight instead of sitting around and being in a contradicting melancholy. Fr fr she's the debbie downer, trying to say that you shouldn't bother being nice or you can't handle the Man in the Wall. Only for her to turn around in two seconds and say she's gonna give Amir mental therapy and then she lets the team know about people in distress 😂 "Hero Virus" my ass. I thought she was gonna be one of those realistic but heart of gold kind of people but turns out she's just a journalist through and through. Leticia and Aoi at least know what lane they're in.
@bait644 That "I can't believe we had a single thing in common" is an outcome of a conversation about fighting the Man in the Wall - which Eleanor normally *wants* to do and is defiant even if you tell her there's no hope at all! - if you're an ass to her and accuse her of not wanting to make up her mind. (It's all explorable via Kimulacrum.) Newsflash, people don't like being accused of something that isn't true when they're struggling emotionally and come to you for support. I love seeing comments like this. Y'all actually don't even get what you said wrong, and then go on hating on the character 🤣
apparently lettie is memed that she resembles pablos mom? and im latino that was enough reason to not even consider her in my choices. i aint trying to NTR pablos mom bro
It gives our Warframe’s actual character. Ever since the confirmation that Warframes were once people, there has been this subconscious and sometimes intentional desire to humanize and characterize our frames.
Yeah, at first, I ignored her during trailers and such, but after playing and interacting with her, she's actually my favorite. Also, I love her and the other Hex's lines/delivery. DE did very well.
@freetobe5218 I checked, arthur is the only one who can actually use prime details. on the others its not super noticeable that they don’t have it as a option since they don’t have much prime detail anyway, but trinity prime has a very nice long skirt that lettie cant wear.
I honestly got the confess feelings option with her first, I am aiming for Eleanor but I was tempted to press it because there was something sort of relatable after going through her dialogue
I really wanted Eleanor, but after being constantly rejected I checked the wiki and discovered I had activated a "cannot date" tag during one of our early chat. I'm now dating Lettie so we can hate on that demon together. LOL
Damn, she is thirsty. I went with Aoi because I a a weeb but I really wante to try romacing Eleanor and Lettie later. I honestly wasn't interested when they first announced the dating sytem but DE did such a great job with it I started looking forward to the daily resets just to talk to the Hex. Now that they are all maxed out I am sad not to hear more about them. The lore dropped with convos between the Hex and Drifter really brings all the characters to life. I want to see more Proto frames but it's probably a huge task writing all that dialogue, voicing some of it, and modeling new character faces.
Even if she sounds a bit more reserved she is sweet! Quite lovely. Showing off how much she cares. It is lovely. Definetly wife material Tbh didn't expect how well Warframe did the dating sim part. Pretty cool. I think Aoi is my favorite one tho . Also I wonder if they gonna continue this and make more proto frames or if this was just a one off
BTW how is that your both skins have custom colors?? When I switch to Gemini it has default color, or if I paint Gemini skin Trinity has default colors as well. WTF??
When you use the Gemini emote, it swaps to the first customization preset (A,B,C,...) that has the Gemini or non-gemini equipped (depending on which skin you start with). That's why I have the customizations from this video in slots A and B respectively. Hope this helps you sort out your issue.
I was thinking Lettie wasn't getting much love. Then I saw the line "I'd rather getting shot with you than sharing space with Arthur's monstruosa sister" and... Holy shit, she's a horrible person! O_O
@@DemiDeus314Yeah, but by that time, we've altered the loop. They even know the loop has been shifted again. Feels kinda mean at that point for Lettie to still hate Eleanor
How do you have the Warframe’s colors switch over seamlessly to the protoframes? Whenever I use the emote on one or the other, it goes to the default skin of the one I switch to
Well... When the Hex were first revealed, I liked her appearance the best out of everyone (2nd for me was Eleanor). Then there's also her squad of pet rats. Regarding her KIM chats, I appreciate how she's very direct towards the drifter. One thing that stood out to me was how she mentioned that having a people and culture she can call her own helps her deal with feelings of displacement. Then, in a later chat, when the topic of the conversation shifts to Lettie's deceased aunt and the festival of the dead, she asks the drifter whether they'd like to partake in those traditions of hers and (with her help) make some offerings for their lost loved ones. That just kind of sold me on her character. There might be more / different reasons, but I've already written a whole-ass paragraph and I don't feel like writing an essay lol.
Personally, i feel like Lettie might be misunderstood by a lot of people because she comes off as mean or dismissive. But after the first couple chats, she never seemed like she was actually trying to be an asshole. Also, me being a native spanish speaker, i could understand the tone and her intentions a little better, like calling you "babas" (meaning "drool", as in someone who drools a lot") was a playful way of refering to the player in a slightly cute way, as weird as it might sound. Also love her Spanglish stuff, i could tell that Pablo helped writing her phrases because they are legit things i hear in informal conversational spanish And honestly i have a thing for "mean on the outside, sweet in the inside" girls. Like a good latino, i like to get beaten up playfuly by my girl hahaha And like Quincy says when you ask for dating advice on the other Hex: "Respect her rats, respect her time, respect in gen lol Nah but she doesn't take herself too seriously either tho Girl like that knows when she needs to get called out on her bs don't be gentle w/ her . she HAAATES that."
(Spoilers, obviously.) After getting her to "close" (I think it was 2 resets after), she started a chat with something about there being an upside to time looping, which is that her pet rats can't permanently die. Progressing through that chat, at some point there was an option to confess, to which she responded that she needs time to process. The day after I got the follow-up dialogue where you can enter a relationship.
My conversation with Lettie after I got her to close was I confessed to her and her and she told me to shut up and she’s got tears in her eyes and she said she needs sometime to think I think I got her and the next conversation is gonna be dating her
(Pointing this out you need to be Rank 5 to Date Lettie)I think their might be two ways to get to Lettie to love you your gonna have to careful what you chose while saying things cause apparently if the longer the conversation is the more chemistry and to get the longer conversations you need to basically pick dialogues which is nice and gets her interested in like when I mentioned duviri she was interested and that’s the first long conversation I had with her so basically all you need to do is take ur time and figure out which things to chose also
Also you need to make sure your getting gold texts either around the start, middle or end of the conversation i remember I got like three gold texts while talking to Lettie and that’s how I got to be my girlfriend
Someone asked for the colors already, so they're somewhere in the comments. Shoulders are Kukri Prime (Garuda Prime Access), legs are Naimore (Nightwave Vol. 5), chest is Diva (Tennogen), Syandana is Officum (Tennogen), Signa is Hana Ikada (Market), Sigils are Sisterhood (Sister of Parvos) and Ephemera is Vengeful Flame (Kuva Lich).
She's not the middle ground, she's gutter tier. Aoi is genuinely sweet and a lot smarter than her exterior lets on. Eleanor is outright brilliant *and* she's the most compatible with the future given how she accepts her situation and goes on to utilize the Void to get a glimpse at her alternate self's life. Lettie is a misanthrope who is stuck in the past. "Oh but muh spicy latina" no wonder so many people IRL are stuck in shit relationships lol.
@@vengefulancient I actually really like her because how realistic she is. I have a friend who works in emergency and I gotta say people who deal with a lotta deaths usually get very desensitized to it and basically start treating people like items. It's kinda sad, but it is what it is. I'm still dating Eleanor cuz reasons, but I generally like all the characters in the update a lot. They are really interesting with several sides to explore.
@great_based_one That's the one aspect of Lettie I don't mind and they should have focused a lot more on. It's actually nonsensical that there isn't a *single* mention of her using her new powers to heal people - being, you know, Trinity. Could have made for a good dilemma where you point out that due to Entrati's actions, she's now actually better at her job. Unfortunately, most conversations with her are about her desperately trying to twist everything she's told about to fit her religion, talking about her rats, and complaining about Eleanor - all while randomly mixing Spanish with English, which media creators *really* need to understand doesn't happen in real life like that. Bilingual people (I should know, being one of them, and having met a ton of others over the course of my life and travels) don't randomly throw in phrases and sentences from their native language, especially when conversing with someone who doesn't speak it. It's one or the other. Her entire character is just a really, really bad "spicy religious Latina" stereotype perpetrated by Hollywood that I didn't expect DE to stoop down to. I'm sure your friend is a *far* more interesting and multifaceted person than that.
IKR? I don't get how anyone could tolerate this. Also, game developers *really* need to understand that real life bilingual people don't just randomly insert words or sentences from their native tongue into English.
Lettie catches flak because she's more closed off than the others and she's snippy, but once you learn why all of it makes sense
Like seriously, yeah lol
And you get to learn a bit about the ancient Aztec pantheon.
Not really. She's still an unintelligent misanthrope who's trying to shoehorn religion into a world where none makes sense anymore. So hard to stomach conversations with her after the shining brilliance that is Eleanor.
Funnily enough I just thought at first she wasn't someone who wanted a relationship, which was actually more chill for me to understand. Then she started calling me bebe and showing interest and lightheartedness all of a sudden and I was like "Ohhhh!~ Ok~ I see you~ Let's try it."
Honestly I like her and Aoi more than Eleanor because Ellie basically hit me with the cop out of "I can't believe I thought we had something in common" 😂 Like what? SORRYYYY I got balls to stand up and fight instead of sitting around and being in a contradicting melancholy.
Fr fr she's the debbie downer, trying to say that you shouldn't bother being nice or you can't handle the Man in the Wall. Only for her to turn around in two seconds and say she's gonna give Amir mental therapy and then she lets the team know about people in distress 😂 "Hero Virus" my ass. I thought she was gonna be one of those realistic but heart of gold kind of people but turns out she's just a journalist through and through.
Leticia and Aoi at least know what lane they're in.
@bait644 That "I can't believe we had a single thing in common" is an outcome of a conversation about fighting the Man in the Wall - which Eleanor normally *wants* to do and is defiant even if you tell her there's no hope at all! - if you're an ass to her and accuse her of not wanting to make up her mind. (It's all explorable via Kimulacrum.) Newsflash, people don't like being accused of something that isn't true when they're struggling emotionally and come to you for support.
I love seeing comments like this. Y'all actually don't even get what you said wrong, and then go on hating on the character 🤣
And then after the mission, the entire Hollvania Mall had a CAT-7 Earthquake for four hours
"Percussive maintenance"
Someones gotta make sure that the building isn't gonna collapse...
Underliked comment ❤😂
A Latina with the sense of humor and violence.
Now I have three choices to make...this isn't fair man
A Lettie-na ❤
Lamentable aquí solo conocen la violencia
Real asf
Still went with Aoi but man
Bro facts
apparently lettie is memed that she resembles pablos mom? and im latino that was enough reason to not even consider her in my choices. i aint trying to NTR pablos mom bro
the best update for this game, not gonna lie, it brought a life for this game in a certain way that i can´t explain
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It gives our Warframe’s actual character. Ever since the confirmation that Warframes were once people, there has been this subconscious and sometimes intentional desire to humanize and characterize our frames.
The Hex are easily warframe's best faction against the rest combined
I hope the Cavia gets more lore and relevance. They were gonna be out sort of family and now the hex kinda just did it better
@@Gyhsjgj 100%, i just loved leveling standing, and talking with them, its just on another level
Trinity was my main 6 years ago when I started because I loved to help my team. Now she’s gotta call me Bebe and corazón? Lord game of my life. 😩
"I just LOVE Latinas Sonic"
0:50 oh…oh my
YOOO 😲
YOOO 😏
Lettie is lowkey underrated
Yeah, at first, I ignored her during trailers and such, but after playing and interacting with her, she's actually my favorite. Also, I love her and the other Hex's lines/delivery. DE did very well.
She's so mean to me and I highkey love that
It's that hair, I couldn't do it 😂
She was an EXTREMELY close second pick to Eleanor for me
Cringe and woke. Animal hoarder. "Pet mom"
they all have these "romance lines" and i love it. Amir's is funny, he goes "nobody touches my SO!" then barks like a dog lol
I kinda wish she was prime detail compatible. Id love to see her in trinity prime's long skirt
She should be? Arthur can use Umbra’s cloak sooo
Hopefully they can add that option at some point
@freetobe5218 I checked, arthur is the only one who can actually use prime details. on the others its not super noticeable that they don’t have it as a option since they don’t have much prime detail anyway, but trinity prime has a very nice long skirt that lettie cant wear.
i saw an umbra Arthur in game and ts was hard@freetobe5218
lobster lettie
lobster lettie
Thank you, been looking all over for Lettie lines
1:10 oh lord
🥵
Quincy did warn me😂
oh yes
First time i used the emote after romance that's what she said. I audibly shouted "HELP ME."
each of the Hex has 3+ min worth of flirty lines bruh Reb is such a W for this
and we better get more you know damn well the players want more reason to throw our plat down
That Latina is making me crazy asf but goddamm Eleanor..
I honestly got the confess feelings option with her first, I am aiming for Eleanor but I was tempted to press it because there was something sort of relatable after going through her dialogue
Finding anything she says relatable isn't a good sign. What was it?
I really wanted Eleanor, but after being constantly rejected I checked the wiki and discovered I had activated a "cannot date" tag during one of our early chat. I'm now dating Lettie so we can hate on that demon together. LOL
@@bengale9977 Lol at this mentality. Said something that upset her (and it isn't easy to upset Eleanor), got rejected, now she's a "demon".
@@vengefulancientWait, you can do that? Lol, I had no idea
@@great_based_one Do what?
There’s a reason why I love my Latina women 🫡 Lettie is best girl fasho.
She calls you 'Corazon'? That's such a cute detail.
Thank you
Not one 'pablo, my son' meme?
We can canonically contribute to the birth of Pablo?
The fact that trinity is a combat medic and a masochist is hilarious
"Are you hurt?"
No.
"Do you wanna be?"
...Lemme get back to you on that.
Im gonna tell pablo
Love me a girl that can beat me down, just stitch me back up
😎👍
Well she does have a similar hairstyle to Josuke.
wow, i am buying the skins right now. I wasn't into them at first, but that is a lot of dialogue
"I just really like latinas, Sonic"
1:42 Mama Lettie
they really REALLY need to give lettie a throwing chancla emote
Te quiero mucho Lettie
Damn, she is thirsty. I went with Aoi because I a a weeb but I really wante to try romacing Eleanor and Lettie later.
I honestly wasn't interested when they first announced the dating sytem but DE did such a great job with it I started looking forward to the daily resets just to talk to the Hex. Now that they are all maxed out I am sad not to hear more about them. The lore dropped with convos between the Hex and Drifter really brings all the characters to life. I want to see more Proto frames but it's probably a huge task writing all that dialogue, voicing some of it, and modeling new character faces.
Even if she sounds a bit more reserved she is sweet! Quite lovely. Showing off how much she cares. It is lovely. Definetly wife material
Tbh didn't expect how well Warframe did the dating sim part.
Pretty cool.
I think Aoi is my favorite one tho .
Also I wonder if they gonna continue this and make more proto frames or if this was just a one off
More protoframes would be awesome
1:16 BRO WHAT 😮 Lettie is a HUGE W
Bought her skin yesterday and I know that was right! Love latin girls, love Letty and I will love Trinity ;)
I like her voice
I think her emote is the cleanest that shit looks buttery
...Someone needs to let Shadow know Lettie is around.
As I'm in a relationship with a Purvian, I love how she speaks lol
Brother WHAT!!! they voice lines change depending on your friendship status!!!!! Dude they went avobe and beyond!!
1:13 😮
The “ Hola bebé” WHEW
BTW how is that your both skins have custom colors?? When I switch to Gemini it has default color, or if I paint Gemini skin Trinity has default colors as well. WTF??
When you use the Gemini emote, it swaps to the first customization preset (A,B,C,...) that has the Gemini or non-gemini equipped (depending on which skin you start with). That's why I have the customizations from this video in slots A and B respectively. Hope this helps you sort out your issue.
@denedineYT oh okay got it, I'll try this
If you can just have her in the orbit 😌
You can have her on the backrooms
josuke higashikata
I was thinking Lettie wasn't getting much love.
Then I saw the line "I'd rather getting shot with you than sharing space with Arthur's monstruosa sister" and... Holy shit, she's a horrible person! O_O
Well knowing how Lettie dies. I think she gets a pass for that opinion
@@DemiDeus314Yeah, but by that time, we've altered the loop. They even know the loop has been shifted again. Feels kinda mean at that point for Lettie to still hate Eleanor
@@0uttaS1TESome events cannot be forgotten that easy.
Considering her medical background, the Techrot is probably her worst nightmare.
Eleanor literally killed her, I know for a fact you wouldn't just forgive someone for that.
0:50 Please and thank you!
i want that fashion
oh yes mami
She’s Latina sonic, you must understand
The fact that she does not like Eleanor is 😒
Time to play trinity i guess
How do you have the Warframe’s colors switch over seamlessly to the protoframes? Whenever I use the emote on one or the other, it goes to the default skin of the one I switch to
As mexican: damn thats girl is 🥵
So by chance do you have the lines she says while in the mall?
I’m no longer gay
As a genuine question, I’d love to know your reasoning for going for Lettie.
Cunning fox you are! Maybe an uninhibited man finally wanna be stabilized.
i’m not the person you’re looking for, but in the wise words of shadow the hedgehog
“I just love Latinas sonic.”
SHADOW 💀💀💀
Well... When the Hex were first revealed, I liked her appearance the best out of everyone (2nd for me was Eleanor). Then there's also her squad of pet rats. Regarding her KIM chats, I appreciate how she's very direct towards the drifter. One thing that stood out to me was how she mentioned that having a people and culture she can call her own helps her deal with feelings of displacement. Then, in a later chat, when the topic of the conversation shifts to Lettie's deceased aunt and the festival of the dead, she asks the drifter whether they'd like to partake in those traditions of hers and (with her help) make some offerings for their lost loved ones. That just kind of sold me on her character. There might be more / different reasons, but I've already written a whole-ass paragraph and I don't feel like writing an essay lol.
Personally, i feel like Lettie might be misunderstood by a lot of people because she comes off as mean or dismissive.
But after the first couple chats, she never seemed like she was actually trying to be an asshole.
Also, me being a native spanish speaker, i could understand the tone and her intentions a little better, like calling you "babas" (meaning "drool", as in someone who drools a lot") was a playful way of refering to the player in a slightly cute way, as weird as it might sound.
Also love her Spanglish stuff, i could tell that Pablo helped writing her phrases because they are legit things i hear in informal conversational spanish
And honestly i have a thing for "mean on the outside, sweet in the inside" girls.
Like a good latino, i like to get beaten up playfuly by my girl hahaha
And like Quincy says when you ask for dating advice on the other Hex:
"Respect her rats, respect her time, respect in gen lol
Nah but she doesn't take herself too seriously either tho
Girl like that knows when she needs to get called out on her bs
don't be gentle w/ her . she HAAATES that."
nicee
I they make mirage proto frame and saryn proto frame
Como le cambió el color de cabello?? Yo lo intenté a menos q me falte algo...
Cuando entras a personalizar donde ves diseños de casco, accesorios y sellos si tienes puesta la skin en la parte de abajo te aparece color de pelo
@gonzocartonist claro q lo tengo, ya voy a ver
@@gonzocartonist muchas gracias ya ta
Feisty Latinas, baby.
Latina mammy 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
wait how do u keep the customization of the skin?? everytime i do the emote, i get the base skin
The emote rotates between appearance slot A, B, C. Select the Gemini skin in appearance slot B and customize them.
How did you romance her, i think im going the wrong way with Lettie 😅
(Spoilers, obviously.)
After getting her to "close" (I think it was 2 resets after), she started a chat with something about there being an upside to time looping, which is that her pet rats can't permanently die. Progressing through that chat, at some point there was an option to confess, to which she responded that she needs time to process. The day after I got the follow-up dialogue where you can enter a relationship.
@0Ashes yeah, her romance can be a bit tricky but well worth it
My conversation with Lettie after I got her to close was I confessed to her and her and she told me to shut up and she’s got tears in her eyes and she said she needs sometime to think I think I got her and the next conversation is gonna be dating her
(Pointing this out you need to be Rank 5 to Date Lettie)I think their might be two ways to get to Lettie to love you your gonna have to careful what you chose while saying things cause apparently if the longer the conversation is the more chemistry and to get the longer conversations you need to basically pick dialogues which is nice and gets her interested in like when I mentioned duviri she was interested and that’s the first long conversation I had with her so basically all you need to do is take ur time and figure out which things to chose also
Also you need to make sure your getting gold texts either around the start, middle or end of the conversation i remember I got like three gold texts while talking to Lettie and that’s how I got to be my girlfriend
What colors are you using?
Main: Ice C4R18 | Ice C1R18 | Corpus C3R1 | Potentia C5R5 | Corpus C4R2 | Corpus C2R1 | Corpus C4R2 | Ice C4R18
Attachments: Potentia C5R8 | Corpus C1R3 | Ice C2R18 | Storm C4R3 | Corpus C1R3 | Corpus C1R3 | Corpus C4R2 | Corpus C3R1
Syandana: Storm C4R3 | Agony C3R7 | Corpus C1R3 | Ice C4R18 | Corpus C1R3 | Corpus C1R3 | Corpus C5R2 | Corpus C1R3
Cómo se consigue el convertidor emite?
Cómprate la skin Gemini, luego en el arsenal busca el apartado de Gestos y equipa el Gesto Géminis de Lettie en la rueda de herramientas.
Share your fashion please 🙏
Someone asked for the colors already, so they're somewhere in the comments. Shoulders are Kukri Prime (Garuda Prime Access), legs are Naimore (Nightwave Vol. 5), chest is Diva (Tennogen), Syandana is Officum (Tennogen), Signa is Hana Ikada (Market), Sigils are Sisterhood (Sister of Parvos) and Ephemera is Vengeful Flame (Kuva Lich).
I really do like lettie but as a native spanish speaker I find the constant quipping extremely annoying
Did it get hot in here, all of a sudden? *pulls on neck of shirt*
Jokes aside, these are some great voice lines!
The dialogue as written is pretty good, but I feel like the actual line delivery from the voice could've had more umph.
Do eleanor plrase
^^^^ Amir after that. Love the dork.
Boa noite
Lettie makes me feel special it's not even funny anymore..
Lettie... the hottest chica in warframe 🙃 💜 Eleanor is overrated in my Personal opinion.
I can see why it took me so long to find a single Lettie video… she’s kinda the boring middle ground between Eleanor and aoi
She's not the middle ground, she's gutter tier. Aoi is genuinely sweet and a lot smarter than her exterior lets on. Eleanor is outright brilliant *and* she's the most compatible with the future given how she accepts her situation and goes on to utilize the Void to get a glimpse at her alternate self's life. Lettie is a misanthrope who is stuck in the past. "Oh but muh spicy latina" no wonder so many people IRL are stuck in shit relationships lol.
@@vengefulancient I actually really like her because how realistic she is. I have a friend who works in emergency and I gotta say people who deal with a lotta deaths usually get very desensitized to it and basically start treating people like items. It's kinda sad, but it is what it is. I'm still dating Eleanor cuz reasons, but I generally like all the characters in the update a lot. They are really interesting with several sides to explore.
@great_based_one That's the one aspect of Lettie I don't mind and they should have focused a lot more on. It's actually nonsensical that there isn't a *single* mention of her using her new powers to heal people - being, you know, Trinity. Could have made for a good dilemma where you point out that due to Entrati's actions, she's now actually better at her job.
Unfortunately, most conversations with her are about her desperately trying to twist everything she's told about to fit her religion, talking about her rats, and complaining about Eleanor - all while randomly mixing Spanish with English, which media creators *really* need to understand doesn't happen in real life like that. Bilingual people (I should know, being one of them, and having met a ton of others over the course of my life and travels) don't randomly throw in phrases and sentences from their native language, especially when conversing with someone who doesn't speak it. It's one or the other.
Her entire character is just a really, really bad "spicy religious Latina" stereotype perpetrated by Hollywood that I didn't expect DE to stoop down to. I'm sure your friend is a *far* more interesting and multifaceted person than that.
Aoi, lettie, eleanor in that order aoi is sweet lettie is spicy and eleanor is kinda boring
ive dated latinas irl so lettie is just beyond annoying💀
IKR? I don't get how anyone could tolerate this.
Also, game developers *really* need to understand that real life bilingual people don't just randomly insert words or sentences from their native tongue into English.
I wish we could change her hair
One of the worst additions to DEI-frame yet..