COULD YOU LIVE THIS WAY?! (Israeli Kibbutz communal living)
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- Опубликовано: 18 авг 2018
- This Israeli Kibbutz is a communal living town near Tel Aviv Israel. Could you live this way? It feels like a "modern communism" ideology but... nicer?
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I live in kibbutz
WΔY ΔWΔY - The Way Away, travel and lifestyle
There’s no real Kibbutzes in Israel !!!
i liveing in israeil
The community living in the kibuts is not really exist any more,buy the way kibbutz is like a village,it is not a specific place,there are a lot of kibbutzes
WΔY ΔWΔY - The Way Away, travel and lifestyle the original idea of the kibbutz was basiclly to work how you can and get paid how you need
There are 274 kibbutzim in Israel, only 16 of them are religious.
Im from a non religious kibbutz it's great and a quite life
You learn how to work the land agriculture etc - we had pork actually in the mess hall
It's not for everyone some find that life boring but generally its all about the community and people take care of each other
cool. but why do you hate Microsoft? it's a great company :-)
Most of the religious one's are pretty modern too.
Kibbutzs
amit yanuka israeli people say kibutzim I’m from there
As an Israeli (I live in the south), I enjoy your videos. I'm always interested in outsiders' point of view and I find it eye opening. I hope you continue to have a great time in Israel !!!
אלישבע קרונמן I live in Tel aviv and I love my country !❤️
I live in Tel Aviv
אממ אם אתם ישראלים אתם יכולים לדבר אחד עם השני בעיברית לא? חחח
sharon moati חחחחח תכלס
Same
I volunteered in Kibbutz Ein Dor near Afula in 1998. It was the best 3 months ever. We had so much fun and traveled all over the country. I still want to go back to Israel.
there is another community type in Israel that is worth mention, the moshav. while the idea in the kibbutz is that everything belongs to everyone equally, the moshav divides all it's resources equally within its residents. For example, while the agricultural area of a kibbutz is owned by it and the revenue is divided equally to the members, in a moshav the agricultural area is divided equally within the members and everyone can do whatever he wants with his field. it gives you much more freedom, yet you still are a part of a close community. I lived both in a kibbutz and a moshav, and I definitely prefer the second one. Of course the system can differ from one place to another (and as they become more modernized), but still.
There is also a "moshav shitufi" which is a mix of moshav and kibbutz. The people own their own private land/house/property (like a moshav) but the communal revenue resources are divided between the members (like a kibbutz)
If you live at one of these institutions, do you have to pay into whatever welfare state exists at the national level or can you divert that to your local institution?
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Of course they pay taxes to the the state, income tax, healthcare tax.
It is not state within a state, it is a community, like a family, extended family.
I wish you showed the kibbutz more instead of mostly just talking in your hotel room
I am quite surprised that many folks today have never heard of...or know about... the kibbutz.
It was a very popular travel opportunity (volunteers) for young people in the 1968 to 2000 era.
I lived a total of 6 years on kibbutzim....
To this day, several decades later...I still carry many of the social ideals and outlook with me.
A truly wonderful experience.
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I was waiting for a reply from someone like you :)
I was still young but remember that my family "adopted" some volunteers (mitnadvim) over the years which they came visit us from time to time.
Glad to hear that you enjoyed your stay, in which Kibbutzim have you been?
I spent most of my time living on Reshafim (near Beit Shean) and also a couple of years up on Eilon in the north.
I have always been a ‘true’ socialist at heart...so, I easily connected with the kibbutz ideology, lifestyle, etc..
@@kevztunes This ideology was taken from then mother Russia, a country that was homeland of many of the founders of the kibbutzim.. tne nowdays kibbutzim have changed a lot.. much more private posessions and life..
The early kibbutz ideology was a purely utopian-labour movement and not Marxist in nature...nor a product of Russia. The majority of early Aliyah settlers (Degania, etc) were from central and eastern Europe...not Russia. As the Soviet Union came into being...the “true socialist” system of the kibbutzim was stand alone and nothing like that communist dictatorship which had very little inherent incentive.
As any sociologist knows...true socialism constantly evolves with market forces...whereas the old Stalinism, etc simply could not. That was the stark difference between the kibbutz model...which had an inbuilt, huge, personal, incentive to work and to improve ones own standard of living, etc.
True socialism is the free-ist social mechanism available to us (far more so than capitalism)...because it allows the individual to utilize ones natural skills and talents, etc...by freeing up the psychological (and physical) restraints & shackles of having to provide all the basic necessities of life on ones own.
Humans collectively, create a much better social platform...than any one of us could muster by themself. Thus freeing up, our natural vocational abilities by pooling resourses and labour...that in turn maximizes motivation, potential, creativity, innovation, opportunity, conduit vehicles, and so forth.
This is one reason why the kibbutzim have the highest ratio (per capita) of advanced degree graduates in Israel today, and produce more than double the national GDP per sector. Not to mention provide a lot of innovation in many fields.
Their modern day utilization of the free market economy is just the natural transition evolution within a true socialist model.. Individual possessionship is a natural part of true socialism. It is the “collective” social goal and associated functional result...that is the most important element...and not the sub-set level details.
I could not believe they had never heard of a Kibbutz! Kibbutz comes into so many stories about the new Israel. Many Irish students worked on Kibbutz in the day.
Most kibbutz communities in Israel were founded by anti religious socialists. Very few still stick to their socialistic ideals. These communities never rejected modren living. Their main ideal was rejecting capitalism.
כל עוד הם מצצו את הכסף מהמדינה , בגין עשה לזה סוף והיום נשארו רק המופרטים או העשירים מה שבעצם מחזק את רעיון הקפיטליזם
And once Israel had a choice they chose Capitalism (as I think you were mentioning) as once there was no longer subsidied people left the kibbutz as they were no longer forced to be part of it because of benefits that were only available on the Kibbutz. And people who were immigrants of course found that they didn't have as easy as they didn't have connection that those who claimed to be about "equality" had. My own experience as well is people who push this ideology are never themselves poor or have some inheritance or something else that they don't have to work day to day. They are usually wealthier then the average person and the Kibbutaz keeps everyone else below them that they can't make more in the Kibbutz.
Though my times of experiencing kibbutz life has been relatively brief including Kibbutz Ayelet HaShaHar and Kibbutz Ein Gev years ago, I fell in love with the life. The kibbutz you were at looked amazing and I think you did a nice job of explaining the ethos of kibbutz life. Someone did their homework!
My family comes from Ayelet Hashar
I played paintball in Ayelet Hashahar a couple years ago and I went tubing with a boat in Ein Gev 2 weeks ago.
Baking Sweet Hope my dad just bought a vacation home in kibbutz sdot yam and it’s stunning there
Let me correct you , a. There are still kibbutzim around Israel that are still share everything together ( I was born in a kibbutz)
B. To be a member on a kibbutz you don’t need to be born on a kibbutz, you can also come from outside, and start the process.
I live alone in New York and have loads of time on my hands. I’m older so I would love to live in the kibbutz. Sounds ideal to me. Looks like I would have loads of friends there. At the moment I don’t have many friends so that would definitely be very ideal for me. Thanks for sharing all this info on the kibbutz I never really knew much about it but it sounds great. Happy travels, stay safe, God bless you guys. Greetings from New York City 🙏❤️🌃👍😍💝💖💜💕💛💕🧡💚💝🧡
If you wanna live in a kibutz, you can come to sarid. You don't have to marry a member, we don't have the car System though
Shani Thanks. How would I go about applying for that, if you don’t me asking you for that information. Do you live there? I’d like to know more about it. I’m really interested. I’m in New York. Thanks in advance for any information you can provide me with and God bless you. Stay well.
Jamila Hadade Google ‘Kibbutz Volunteer Centre’ or the name of a kibbutz to see if they have a website / info. Also, please leave g-d out of it. :)
acchaladka thanks for the info I’ll definitely look it up. Have a great day!
Its a paradise for children and old people.
Maybe not that great in between, depending on your character/temper.
My name is Dawn, 14 years old. I live in Israel and I also live on the kibbutz!! I'm so happy that you guys show to the world what is kibbutz and how fun is to live in kibbutz
You may have not heard before of the kibbutzim, but the kibbutz is Israel's most famous social innovation. Fifty years ago, I lived as a child in Africa, and had to give a talk to my class about life at the kibbutz, because my classmates were so curious about it. You portray the kibbutz as some "modern" form of hippy community, which gets it exactly backwards: The first kibbutz (Degania) was established 1910, and by 1950, a few hundred were in existence. Though you portray Maagan Michael (the kibbutz you visited) as the last one, there are in fact 250-300 of them, more or less like it. The kibbutzim are neither "religious" nor "agnostic". With a few exceptions, they are the vanguard of Jewish secularism in Israel.
A Ban when have their videos or travels shown any amount research? I have seen their India and Morocco vlogs to have formed this opinion.
A Ban -If I understood correctly, Josh and Ashley meant that Ma'agan Michael is among the few kibbutzim that have not undergone privatization.
OMG my family lives in this kibbutz!
My dad was born in a kibbutz on Gilboa mountain and was actually raised the way you were describing with all the kids and not at home
Gaya Telem how’d he turnout?
Nextherenow he doesn’t think it did anything but people around him can definitely tell.. he’s not getting attached
Now I feel so special that I live in Ma'agan Michael (that kibbutz)
Not communist at all! Socialist. Israel is technically a Socialist founded country. It is moving towards a capitalist society With the start-up nation growing so rapidly. Kibbutzim are modernized and often tourist attractions today.
There are kibbutzim that take volunteers and new immigrants as volunteers.
Rose Kahn funds sharing equally with no difference between rich and poor isn't sounds to you like communist idea?
@ChaimBar well yes. Technically, socialism and communism share a common 'DNA', but equality isn't even unique to either. I think the French revolutionists, as well as American revolutionist in the early days, maentioned something about equality, no?
It's about how you apply the philosophy to the day-to-day life that differs.
Mind you, there were (are) some communist Kibbutzim, religious Kibbutzim, and these days a few urban kibbutzim as well, but mostly modern Kibbutzim have broken off from the communist idea, some even from the socialist ideas...
Cathrina Groiss good to know that
Thank you.
Communism means joint ownership of all means of living, while socialism is only about fair distribution. So it is closer to communism. However, historically communism was attempted by states, not communities, and was a messy and bloody failure. During the heyday of communism, the kibbutzim attracted a lot of attention as the only case of communism that did not fail.
Yes correct....The kibbutz is not communism at all...but rather a “true” socialist model.
In fact, true socialism is the most democratic system of all.
True socialism incorporates both collective and free market mechanisms to serve humanity.
Unfortunately, the term “socialism” has been tainted by the old Soviet Era model...which really was just a form of state owned dictatorship...and nothing more.
Living in the kibbutzim, was the most “psychologically” free period in my entire life...and that is saying something...as I have travelled to more than 100 countries and lived in many different places around he globe over the past 5 decades.
Not entirely sure but this looks like kibbutz Maghan Michael. I volunteered there 18 years ago for 6 months. I worked in the banana fields. It was awesome and a really great experience.
That is indeed Maagan Michael
I'm an English guy and I used to live on a kibbutz back in the seventies as a volunteer, I had some of the best times of my life there, this video brings back so many memories thank you so much, you guys rock.
Back in the sixtees and seventees so many voluntires came to all the kibbutzim.. some married kibbutzim's members and stayed for good.. I am surprised that so many people today know nothing about something that was so popular back then..
I hear single people are super promiscuous within the kibbutz. Talk about sharing, huh 😁
I never knew... This world is full of surprises.
Idnn't it crazy!?
The life of the kibbutz is quiet and peaceful, This place is for every person who loves quiet and a friendly community! I will one day want to move into a one, nice video!
Yeah but eating in the cafeteria doesn't sound quiet at all ... can a person do takeout from the cafeteria so they can just eat in a more quiet setting at their actual residence ... or not ?
This is our BEAUTIFUL Kibbutz Ma'agan Michael!!! and your amazing guide Layla! thank you for this video!!!
What an interesting video....thanks for sharing.
I live in Israel
and I live in a kibbutz
you said the exact information about a kibbutz
WELL DONE!
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When I was 15 years old I had to quit my High-School because I refused to cut my hair short - And the only school in that area that would accept a long-haired 15 year old hippie was the Maagan-Michael High School (where you guys visited..) - Most of the students there came to school barefoot & we used to skip class and run to the beach which was just 10 minutes away..
Wow you must have had a beautiful childhood with a lot experiences!
Yea, but I didn't finish high-school.... :)))
The kibutz I live on has a program to become a member... So you don't necessarily have to marry or be born here, it's about a 5 year program
If you want to have a little bit of a Kibbutz life style there's a Kibbutz called Samar, near Eilat, they're looking for volunteers every year to help with Gadid, means harvest dates. and you get your own place to sleep for a month, eat with everybody, a pool for 24/7, and it's such a great experience!
minushyasminush14 thanks
I lived on a kibbutz about 20 minutes north of Jerusalem for four months
I live in a kibutz and i can say its the best and the most fun place to live as a child.
dvir shechter adult?
I am glad you enjoyed your trip. FYI, There are 45 non privatized Kibbutzes in Israel (roughly 20% of the total). I live in one. Keep up with the wonderful Vlog and have a safe and enjoyable journey.
watching your video from another kibbutz in israel lol
great content guys ! keep it up
You two are great travel guides and PR representatives for Israel. Your easy and free-way of speaking make watching your videos easier.
You guys seem so happy and chill in the last couple of videos 😄 loving the vibe of these Israel videos! What an interesting experience visiting a Kibbutz. And that laundry system seems amazing!
Google volunteering in the kibbutz
Pretty good job guys! I have been living in a kibbutz for my last nine years and I can say it's very nice experience. Actually most of the kibbutz are privatized as mine. 😃
"Kibbutzim" have been established by immigrants from Russia who escaped from "Pogroms" (persecution of jews), in Russia it was called "Kolkhoz".
Great video! Hope u enjoy our Israel! ❤ i recognized you from your trip With 'Flying the nest '🤗
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Not to get political or anything but Bernie Sanders lived on a Kibbutz in Israel in 1963.
As did Jerry Seinfeld. Who apparently didn’t work very hard but hey, whatcha gonna do? :)
I'm from Israel, and you explained it accurately and correctly about kibbutz life. keep having fun.
I live in Israel and I'm impressed with your accurate perceptions. You get it. It makes me feel that I can trust your impressions of other places you travel that I'm unfamiliar with.
I am amazed you have never heard of a Kibbutz.
It's quite surprising! oy vey!
Thank you for sharing this. It's super interesting. I would love to experience a kibbutz life for a while.
11:27, i am from that kibbutz, and i started to work there at 11 years old.
Hi what is this kibbutz called. It looks like the same Kibbutz i live at when I was 7-10 years old (1987-1990)
You guys should go visit a moshav!! It’s a much more modern version of a kibbutz. I live in a moshav near Nazareth which I saw you also visited.
Nivi Herman how? Different system?
20+ years ago, all of the kibbutzs were just like that, but today more and more kibbutzs getting more like a village but there is some places that stay like old time, sometimes not completely (I'M don't know English pretty good, sorry if there is some mistakes)
You forget the main thing: kibbutzes were established to work the land and their main role was the agricultare.. but it was discovered that in order to increase money other things like industry is brings more money.. still the agriculture is the main thing in the kibbutz..
Finally some videos about kibbutz program !
So I'm applying to go there next year and I'm looking for a agnostic kibbutz near Tel Aviv, can someone from Israel please give me advice
Thanks🙏🏽
I live in a Kibbutz (not the one they showd) and it's my first time watching your videos. overall you have covered the topic really really well! Just a small correction- YES most of the kibbutzs are as liberal and modern as the one you saw! 100%.
And it's not like we are a super closed no entry community except if you marry someone, houses in the kibbutz are up for rent like any other place, you just have to show that you are willing to live the community life and be an active part of the community. Also the money thing is true you expalined it well because they are not privatized they still use that payment system. other kibbutzs that have privatized still function as a community but now get their own paychecks. I'm gonna keep watching your videos to see where else here you have traveled! Enjoy!
The essence of the Kibbutz is described in the sentence:
“Each member work according to his abilities, and gets (money, food, accommodation etc) according to his needs”.
Regardless, I watched all of your vlogs in Israel, and I watched a few of other channels, and as an Israeli I can say that you deliver the most accurate, most fun and overall best content, and it was pure fun to watch.
Thank you for visiting Israel and for showing the world that it’s a good and safe place to travel to :)
Much love, waiting for your next visit ❤️🇮🇱❤️🇺🇸❤️
Living in israel, I learnt alot from this video. Thanks!
I didnt realize they still did things this way.
I learned something new today! Thanks to you guys. Keep traveling. God bless you!
I love how in the description they said its close to tel aviv ... maybe in us sizes lol, here 1 hour drive is far😂😂💓
I actually live in a small religious Kibbutz named Beerot Yitzhak, so I want to tell you that we are 500 members and children in the kibbutz and I think the Kibbutz is a wonderful way to live and raise your kids. Some more facts:
- you can find a Kibbutz ONLY in Israel
- teenagers in the Kibbutz are working for the Kibbutz also
Something else: I want to share my personal experience growing up in the kibbutz, when you are little, 1-6 YO, you're taken care of in the kibbutz kindergarten and afternoon you just go outside the house and your parents know you're fine. The Kibbutz is like a big family that I'm so graceful to have.
Good luck with your next trip! Enjoy!
Love love love the bangs, Ashley!! ❤️❤️
nice presented and interesting for me to see (having lived on a KB for quiet some time) how young people see the KB today, well done ! and KB Maagan Michael really happens to be a very, very nice KB :-)
I cannot express how much I appriciate what you guys are doing!
I find it really beautiful that you are really trying to learn about the local cultures and the way of lifes of the people in the countires you are visiting, and as an Israeli (that has visited kibbutzim (plural of kibbutz) maybe a handful of times), i have also gained some new information. keep on:) and you're more than welcome back!
You guys are fantastic, and I’m very happy you gave my country a go 😊
There are some kibbutzim that take volunteers like kibbutz Lavi, kibbutz Shluhut...
Wow I've never heard of this! Very informative. I'm not sure if I could live like that. I'd have to give it a lot of thought. I like that they are self sustaining, but I'm still not sure.
most of them collapsed financially , only the lucky 5% how got rich ,survived
They're self sustaining now, because they have a semi-capitalist approach. It also really depends on which kibbutz you go to. For example, in some kibbutzim, members own their own cars. I lived on one for five months and it was an OK experience, they're really rural though. Back in the 80s they were hyper socialist communities, but that changed after they collapsed and the government had to bail them out.
They at one time were subsidized by the Israeli government when they had a centrally planned economy. I wouldn't call that being self sufficient. And once Labor lost an election as they did in 1977 and the country moved away from a socialist system most Jews didn't want to stay on the Kibbutz and had other opportunities and no longer had to.
amazing couple!
Soooo interesting! Thank you for sharing this!! 👍🏼✌🏼
Ashley I love your hair! The bangs look so good!
you two are just the cutest! i hope you'll have a good time here
Love your hair Ashley, looks great.
On Kibbutz Sde Eliyahu there is a lawyer that makes around 250,000$ and all of it goes to the Kibbutz and he gets his allowance.
Also Bio-Bee on Sde Eliyahu makes over 100 million U.S. dollars.
It's not like they are closed from everyone else, they are a part of the country. Besides, they work at real jobs in cities nowadays. Love yoir channel ❤️
Hi, I have been watching some of your videos such as Versailles, Spain, Morocco, and like the way you travel the world and the way you describe your trips and how you deal with challenges and how patient and positive you you are . I also watched your trip to Israel, Tal-Aviv I Also, recommend to visit The Baha’i shrine in Haifa. It is really magnificent, you see a lot of different people.
By the way people in Israel almost never say shalom because it's quite formal.
Most people say just hi and bye
Wow...the Way Away took a major detour! All the best with your new life.
Hello from israel tel aviv i love ur videos
Im glad to have u in my country i hope u have fun!
Thank u for ur visitin
Very interesting video! I've just known this channel and I'm a new subscriber!
Love it!!
Keep up and greetings from Barcelona!
Shalom means peace btw, so answering your question from your first Israel video- yes you can use it for hello and goodbye too. Btw, you two are awesome!!
congratulation guys, amazing videos about Israel !! I loved !! I'm from Brazil !! God Bless you !!! excelent Job !!
I clicked and didn't think I'd watch all of it. Nice job!
At my kibutz we don't have the reantal car System because everyone just had a car, and people from outside can also come live here without having to be married to a member. our kibutz is called sarid
I live in Israel and I love your videos to see how do you react to Israel and I think it's nice that you travel alllllll around the world and share it on social media keep up the good work
really nice video guys. i didn't know nothing about what a kibbutz is and this was very well explained.
I'm living in Israel for about 26 years, I work in a company that works with one of the companies in Maagan Michael and I'm there everyday but somehow I never knew more than half of the stuff you told and it's surprisingly interesting. Thanks for the video.
Wow very interesting, i don't think i would want to live in that kind of life style. good info great vlog.
Absolutely amazing job. A late night Wiki deep dive didn't give me 5% of the insight you've provided! Thank you!
Great in-depth review/video! So weird to think you are probably here somewhere since this video is so new :)
I’m from Israel and this is new to me the traveling experience in Israel really depends on the city thats your in or even a zone in the city you could be in different zone in Tel Aviv and have an whole other experience
Loved it!
I was born in a religious kibbutz
and also a private kibbutz that everything is like
the old days and shared with the money.
One of the best explanatory videos about the Israeli Kibbutz.
Great video! Very sweet couple! Thanks
Kibbutzes are peacelfull, little islands. You can find some even in the central areas of Israel, and inside there is no traffic, just sprawling lawns, and a very safe way of life.
Well that was really interesting, very enjoyable vlog.
Great video guys, I love your enthusiasm 💜 I volunteered on a kibbutz 20 years ago and I wish I had stayed and made aaliyah to become an israeli citizen, I wasn't interested at the time but one day soon I will do it.
I remember hearing about kibbutz when I was a kid.. I'm in my 60s now
as an Israeli I learned a lot from your video about the now day life of the kibbutz. usually when we remain the kibbutz we have a picture of the 80's and 90's life there. a lots have been changed!
Nice video Josh and Ashley👍👌👏
A really fascinating Kibbutz to visit is Sde Boker. This was the final home of David Ben-Gurion.
Is it kibbutz Maagan Michael? If so, I lived there for 6 months back in the 1990s.
This was really interesting!
Guys? looking at you two, you will fit kibbutz life like a glove! I mean, people of the kibbutz look and sound very much like y'all! It would be indeed so interesting for everybody if you would spend a few weeks in that kibbutz and share your experiences with the world. I think it would be a first! and you guys are most suited as urban Americans to try and see the differences. Interesting thought. I hope there are more videos on Israel (Jerusalem? Galilee? Dead Sea? Red Sea? ) - looking forward!
I wish we had these in the States, I would go immediately to live and work there.
I worked on a kibbutz, back in the 80s, kibbutz Geva (which means the hill) , it’s in a town named Afula, had a great 6 months.
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Not kuh butz
Your vids are awesome, discovered your channel today and I'm really happy about it! I live in Israel and I know a thing or two about it... don't know how long the upload delay is (I mean i don't know how much time it takes you to upload a video after filming it) but if you are still in Israel I would be happy to help with everything... In Skype, or even talking with you F2F ...( I live next to Tel Aviv, in rishon letzion) and if you aren't interested that's also fine... Just wanna make sure that you really see Israel cause as you can tell not everyone is saying positive stuff about Israel... Enjoy Israel!!
I think they said they left Israel 2 weeks ago...
Hey, I live in a kibuz in Israel and I just wanted to say that I'm glad to see that sone people still care about the Israeli people, that you want to get to know our way of living. I'm happy you like the kibuz and I hope you guy's will continue show the good side's of my country.💗💗
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I am from Israel and from Kibbutz and the kibbutz receives money mainly from the kibbutz quarry and the kibbutz hotel, and there are people who work outside the kibbutz, and there is a school on the kibbutz from the age of 6 to the age of 12, and then from the age of 12 I move to a high school that is located in a nearby kibbutz. So I would be happy to say shalom