I use to work at the plant where the engines are made and the pistons are different as well as the heads. Many components are different between the standard and high output. Cranks camshafts as well as others. We always had to swap parts when we did different standards or high output. I also worked on the machining side for the block. The high output puts would have 1 freeze plug left out on the side and standards would have them all in place once they reached ready for assembly. CGI issues are that they have lots of porosity that’s hard to catch compared to original cast irons.
I own both Cummins the H.O. And standard. Let me tell you the H.O. Will lug up the hills just about idle. The standard will downshift until it redlines to make it up the hills. Go high output.
@@heatherjenista3964by where the transmission dipstick is, I think the HO is on the driver's side. I may be off, but I know for certain the dipstick location is different between the two
I love the look of the mega cab! My friend was saying that his HO is almost always into boost where his SO truck is rarely in boost unless pulling hills or trailers
I order a 3500 SRW 4x4 Larmie back in 2018. Standard output engine with 48RFE. At 25K miles I get about 16 mpg unloaded. It was extremely hard to decide HO or standard (cool factor). After considering $$ and impact to tow #'s I went standard, and it works fine for my trivial towing needs. Great info on the differences. Thank you. I may not be "HO-Cool" but I am cool enough 🙂
That's the decision I'm at now, I'm only going to be towing a fiver a few times a year and daily driving the rest. That's why I think the SO will be sufficient for my use.
@@robh5416 odds are you don't need a diesel for your towing needs in the first place... but if you're taking diesel anyway its because you want the power, so why settle for the lesser option? just my 2 cents
@@Slythey I appreciate the response, unfortunately I'm still going through the debate process. I'm going to wait to see what changes Ram does for the '25 models. Maybe that 8 -10 speed trans that's been on everyone's wish list.
@@robh5416 I've been waiting for a bit, unhappy with my '22 F350 7.3 gasser. I wouldn't volunteer to test out a new transmission on first model year though. The '24 Ram 3500s are between 5-10k off sticker in my area right now.
Beautiful engine and truck. obviously the aftertreatment system is still there and that's always the downfall. but its not a Cummins thing it's an industry thing unfortunately.
I am extremely happy with our 2020 Ram 3500 SWR HO for towing our 2021 Montana 3231CK! With a match made on the road, it's clear that this truck is well-suited for our needs. The 9.8 MPG on long trips from SC to UT and back is not that impressive, was expecting around 2MPG. 865 days after purchase I am getting my CP4 pump replaced under warranty. Not sure if this will help with MPG I did ask and the tech didn’t seem to think it would. Many thanks Alex for your videos.
Went from a ‘18 1 ton dually SO (which after a while I deleted) to my most recent ‘22 1 ton dually HO and man the difference is noticeable. Pulls way better than my deleted 18. Pulls a 20k lb backhoe with ease.
I'm wondering what the milage between overhaul would be, a semi will last about 500,000-600,000 miles between inframe (not pulling the motor out) overhauls.
Considering the power levels of the mechanical 5.9L engines. And how pleased people were with the power. If a demonstration of the 4cyl B motor. With the VGT turbo and an 8-speed ZF medium duty transmission. Running the 3.42 for 33" tires, 3.73 for 35's. A 4.4L would be plenty of power! And most important with $7 or more a Gallon fuel prices. Extremely economical and practical!. We have a 2018 Ram 2500 4wd 3.42 ratio with the 6.7L standard output. That truck is a beast! We also have a 2016 Ram 1500 4wd 3.92 ratio with the 3L. But both trucks pull the same trailers rather nicely. The 3L gets 17mpg @ 55mph, whole the 6.7L gets 13mpg @ 55mph. Pulling the exact same trailer. Because of the ZF 8-speed, the 3L is the one to drive in snow and ice conditions. The 6.7L has just way to much power and throttle sensitivity with the taller axle ratio and only 6 speeds. If we could buy a Ram 3500 with the 4cyl Cummins B series, ZF 8-speed, 3.42 axle ratio. Highway fuel economy would be 36mpg at 62mph/100kph. And would still be a beast!
I think a 4 cylinder Cummins would be amazing for the 1500's personally I don't like the 3L Eco diesel but they are efficient! a 4cylinder Cummins with the 8 speed would also be very efficient but also probably wicked tough. great idea I love it!
Alex, question for you. We are going full time RV living soon and wanted to know your opinion as to how much towing is the amount that crosses the line where you need a HO RAM 3500 as opposed to the Standard Output Cummins? Is it a matter of terrain? Percentage of miles towing vs. non-tow driving? GVW of 5th wheel will be in 18k lb. (8,200 kg) range.
Have you done a video comparing the 68RFE to the Aisin? Currently shopping for trucks and still unsure about that 68RFE. Lotta negative hype out there! Thanks.
If you make your living with this new truck... get ready for a huge drop in profits since the fuel economy is horrible!! The best combination for HotShot would be a Commercial Chassis where you can get the standard output and the Aisin transmission but retain the better compression ratio. THEN just add the Banks Monster Ram and heater delete to gain more power & efficiency. Take it from me, I have logged over 100K miles in the past year with my 2021 Ram MegaCab Limited HO and spent a small fortune trying to get it right where a STOCK RAM 2500 MPGs are.
I own a 2022 3500 dully with the standard engine and transmission, my brother in-law bought a 2023 with the HO, now he's driven my truck, I haven't his. He has determined his truck is as strong as mine, we do the exact same type of work and we haul the same things, now I don't know if it's a factor that my truck is broken in and his is rather new or what, my truck is also heavier being 4x4
I have a 2022 HO with 4:10 gears. It is used for hauling only. I run from MI to TX every month to pick up a new gooseneck and come back with 18 to 22k pounds behhind me on average. This truck has more power than it needs, or it doesn't need the 4:10s. Didn't think I would ever say that, Truck doesn't like being shoved to the floor, there is really no need. Haven't found an entrance ramp that I couldn't do 70 by the time I merge when loaded. My 2015 had HO, 4:10 gears better al a round set up and the air ride worked much better. The 2022 does get better mileage for some reason. Have only made 3 trips in it. There is nothing like a new truck!
@@Jtwizzle You might try the Max Tow option, it only comes with 4:10 gears. But you shouldn't have to. 4:10 only comes on a dulaly. You can't get 4:10s on a single wheel unless you get a cab & chassis. With the HO engine you don't need the 4:10 unless you are towing for a living because the biger gear makes life eazer for the trans, or if you plan to put larger tires on.
What is the update on your 22 HO diesel? What is your current mileage, any problems or dislike about the truck, would you buy it again if you are in market today? I am torn between 2021 and 2023 3500 HO with the 4:10's. I am leaning between 2021 or 2023 as I have heard lots of problems with the 2022's. Paul on RUclips who owns many Cummins diesel for hotshot had major problems on his 4 2022 HO diesel. Thank you in advance.
@@j.l.salayao8055 Just found this it's late, I am leaving for TX in the morning 960 miles on the first day, Be back next week. I will fill you in with what I think when I get back.
thank you sir! I mean yes but its a pain in ass when the emission systems fail. it de-rates the whole truck and leaves to stranded. plus the components are stupid expensive. a whole system is probably around 10-15k
A lot of kinks are worked out now a days with after treatment systems. That is as long as you work the truck like they’re built to do. The guys who have after treatment problems are the ones who buys a diesel truck to drive around town and pick up Groceries or go to the mall
Thanks for the video, I thought I would learn more but there is a lot of misinformation in your video. After having six different RAM 2500 trucks for my Marine Transport business since 2015 & logging almost 1,000,000 miles since... I bought a 2021 RAM MegaCab Limited HO Dually 4.10 truck and learned the hard way how poor the MPGs were with the HO compared to the SO of my previous 2500s. The funny thing about towing boats is that the MAX weight ratings are calculated by towing an actual WEIGHT on a Flatbed trailer for testing, tuning and safety control by the Manufacturer. What they do not do is actually haul something like a large boat weighing 15,000# which falls far under the realm of the 30K+ max weight but what it does do is have very irregular airflow versus say a weight on a flatbed gooseneck. This lack of insight in tuning plays a role where the engine can demand more DEF to compensate for say, huge Headwinds when towing West across Wyoming towards Washington, than the tuning was ever programmed for... so then you get "DEF System See Dealer" messages and a limp mode to render your truck useless. Of course, the "Plug N Play" Techs are just as useless since they are not allowed to test your truck hauling a load, and when operating said truck at normal loads, never hits the window of operation so they could see what is actually happening... you get a reset and "Nothing Is Wrong Here" from the dealer and a bill for the service since it is not covered by warranty. SO... to shed some light on the real mechanical differences between the two trucks, SO & HO. It's the Pistons and tuning... nothing more. The Camshaft, Block, rods and crank are all the same. You might be surprised to know the turbo is the exact same part too... everything is done by tuning. What is truly different is the rear axle... so do not order the BANKS Diff cover for a 2021 Ram HO from anywhere other than SUMMIT Racing, as the earlier part numbers showed the wrong axle. The reason Summit has it right is because that is where I ordered it from, and they have now had a PowWow with BANKS to get the right part numbers in their system. Can an HO truck be made to achieve the fuel economy of the SO trucks...? YES!!! It Can, but be ready to break out the wallet for some serious cash. Just note, by this time... you are now going to spend an additional $3500-5500 on TOP of what it cost you to upgrade to the HO from an SO... JUST TO GET THE AISIN Transmission. For less money, you could do an ATS Allison Swap and still get 20+mpg!!! The BANKS MonsterRam is worth 2-3mpg across the board when installed with the heater grid delete. Add in the Ram Air box Banks calls a "Super Scoop" and the hard pipes to see 19-21mpg unladen and 10.5-12mpg while towing anything over 12K#. I have documented this and yes, saved some fuel along the way. Just doing the #JennyCraigMod is not enough. I have much of these changes shared on my channel as well as the subtle differences like how the EGR is affixed to the exhaust manifold on the newer HO trucks. Keep up the great videos!!
I believe the transfer case is also larger in the HO models. I thought Firepunk discovered the injectors in the HO were different than the SO. I could be wrong there. I have a 2021 HO with all those mods you said. Your MPG number jive with what I get both towing and unloaded. I also have an S467 en route.
Appreciate the comment! So maybe it was the way I described it but yes the block, crank and rods are the same for the HO and the SO. I was just pointing out that in 2019 for the fifth gen those items were upgraded from the last "generation" of Cummins. But I see how that could be misunderstood. I just thought it would be cool to mention the upgrades from the 4th gen Cummins. I think later in the video I point out the only real differences between the SO and HO are the pistons and the ECM tuning. I speculated there was maybe some fueling differences but I wasn't 100% sure. just a gut feeling. It's funny you mentioned the diff being different because I thought my power wagon with the 4.10 gears had a nice sized diff. and then I saw that diff and I was wow that's ALOT bigger.
@@TheGettyAdventures You're on the right track! I invested a ton of money in mine and did so without first knowing what I was getting into... in plain words, "I followed the hype" on RUclips and the Forums without really looking deep into the options. Had I done so, I would have stuck with the 2500 or if going the 3500 route, kept the 68RFE as it has been a reliable transmission in my experience but it is at least upgradable with tuning unlike the Aisin. That's the real issue with these trucks is the Aisin is a shit-show for shifting as it wants no matter what you need at that time. Who cares if it's strong when it hasn't a clue what it's doing... kinda reminds me of Brandon!
So i have a 2022 cab and chassis ram 3500 i just bought with the aisen transmision and the 370hp so moter and im not real satisfied with the hp when towing heavy 25000- 30000lbs on flatbed goosneck.i dont want to void my warrenty but whatever, is there a tuner out there i can use to get the performance of the HO or better without hurting the engine?
The HO has been a 3500 only option since the first HO 6.7L was introduced. There's never been a 2500 HO 6.7L. The 3rd gen 5.9L HO rolled in 2003 as an option, standard in 04.5+ and ran until the first 6.7L in 07.5
Sound like regulator out put power is better for boat towing, SRW is better DRW for not towing ALL TIME. I saw one in the shopping packing lot, it SRW big horn, dark red color, and it's so nice. This truck town 35 feet boat easily. Look nice.
So they are both 6.7L engines. But for the high output the only difference is the Aisin transmisson which makes it high output ?? How can you tell the difference ?
they are both 6.7L engines yes. exact same displacement but the high output basically is tuned to make more boost and more power along with the aisin transmission.
Like most baffles its main function is to suppress sound. The aftermarket intakes don't have one for that reason. Sound is most of what you get with the aftermarket. So if you like the sound of some turbo you could remove it. If you like it quiet, keep it as is.
Love having my G56 fourth gen. Do a little work to it if you know what I mean and put in a better clutch and you could be close to a high output with a stick shift best of both worlds.
Don't get me wrong havint a stick cummins is BAD ASS. And I would love to have one. I was just a little surprised they nurfed the power ratings. But like you said maybe you loose some emissions equipment somehow and throw in a nice clutch and you'll have a wicked truck!
@@TheGettyAdventures the only thing I can think of for there reasoning is the stock clutch is garbage and it was only used to dampen the sound of the g56 cummins combo. Now a decent dual disk clutch in there and it's a whole different truck. The G56 can take some power. There was a user on RUclips with a stock G56 running 11s at the track. I believe his name is Greg Alberalla.
I've compared the piston part numbers between an SO and HO when they first released the CGI engine and they are different part numbers. It's pistons and tuning/boost. Nothing else. Same HPFP's.
@@faultless18 2021 got an increase in input shaft diameter and a hardened internal drum as part of the power upgrade to 1075 lb.ft. Misc internal improvements from what I've been told.
@@rjterry21 Reason I’m asking is because I just recently Purchased 2022 ram 3500 HO. Aisin trans went out at 3k miles. I only tow 11-15k lb trailers Dealer replaced the whole trans
@@faultless18 Losing an Aisin is unusual. Yours is probably only the second I've heard of for 2019+ trucks. I'm sure there's more, but it's still unusual for one to let go so soon. Must have been a bad build.
You don't have to adjust them. Engine oil pressure is used to keep correct backlash on the valves train. Whereas a solid lifter has to be adjust to keep the proper backlash. If that makes sense. So the benefit of the hydraulic lifter is they are maintenance free. But in my opinion they are not as reliable as a solid lifter.
@@TheGettyAdventures I have a 2022 CC 3500 SRW 4WD HO/Aisin and I get just over 21mpg (true calculation and not the computer) unloaded on the highway. Pulling an RV, I almost always get 11-12mpg.
Don't confuse the rod difference shown in the video, that's between the pre-19 6.7L and the CGI 6.7L. The SO and HO only have different pistons and tune.
as with many things. only time will tell. you would like to think Cummins put time and money into this engine but I can imagine they are like any business looking to improve their bottom line at every turn.
That is funny all that torture and from the owners I know 13 to 15 mpg . I'll keep my 765 ft pounds and 20mpg all day. The race to have the most sometimes is not very user efficient in this environment nor has it been for some time now.
I honestly just don't have that much experience with deleting emissions. But It would be a good topic to cover. I might try and do some research and see what I come up with. the sad truth is these diesel engines would run so much better with a delete.
I deleted my 2021 Ram 3500 because the factory tuning does not take into any consideration the induced drag by boats and other larger towed vehicles. YES, 5th-Wheel Campers are large but they are simply more aerodynamic than a boat with a t-top acting like a parachute. Many tuners are specific DELETE DEVICES and as such by the DOT/EPA Regulations are illegal to have on your truck. The EZlink system is a "Fleet Tracking Device" first that has been utilized by some very smart people to "backdoor" the ECU for tuning capabilities. This way if you are stopped and it is on your truck, the issue then only becomes one of missing components. Now, you can run this device with everything installed... but why? I will say, deleting alone did not make up for the lack of MPGs due to the lower compression, but it did save money from not buying DEF every day while hauling.
Just finished one and was careful to put a stock tune on the HO. A Mechanic friend warned me factory head bolts and what not Wouldn’t take a strong tune. Fair warning to others “stock” tune doesn’t seem to match HO horse power! Came here to see what the HO was suppose to be to bump it.
@@ditmars1986 Mine is running a 200hp bump and towing with zero issues for 80K miles now. The HO engines now have the larger head bolts so anyone telling you that shit doesn't know what they are talking about. I tow every day, up mountain grades and zero issues.
Not really sure. but def is simply 33% urea (ammonia) and 66% water. it consists of 2 ingredients so not sure how one product could be better then another.
I saw a little clip on YT about Platinum and after 100,000 miles the injector was virtually spotless. From what I've seen Platinum is better for daily drivers.
@@GaryBlankenship96b40 By EPA laws and Manufacturer's specifications, DEF cannot be deviated from the certified mix. Nothing else added... NOTHING. Imagine this ONE scenario, you use "Brand-X" DEF and it has some magic formula and all-of-a-sudden my truck fails causing me to go to the dealer. The Dealer tells me they sent a sample of my DEF for testing and now it is out of Specs. I can hire an attorney to have an independent Testing Lap Certify my DEF is within limitations and qualifies for the OEM & EPA specifications as well I also provide batch numbers with production dates. What do you think the dealer does then...? They come up with something else but I've covered my ass... its on them for the improper tuning from the Factory which then causes an update other owners get later. Ask me how I know this...! No DEF manufacturer is going to stray from the formula, NOT worth it when they are making Billions on piss & water! It's all marketing. One lawsuit to proving a DEF manufacturer has strayed from the mix and the entire Pandora's Box of DEF pump failures and class action suits is on their way!
On Dec/2022 I bought a SRW Ram 3500 with the H.O. Cummins and the AISIN Transmission. Driving with a light foot I get between 13.8mpg - 15.3mpg actual efficiency. The computer always says it's higher 15.5 - 16.5mpg, but it's never correct. What MPG do you guys see with your H.O. Cummins & AISIN Transmission??? I've seen people reporting fairly high mpg with the Standard Output Cummins & 68RFE Transmission. But I'm curious about actual calculated (not computer) MPG for the H.O. & AISIN. Can anyone share your experience???
I bought a 2022 Ram 3500 HO/Aisin SRW CC 4WD in Jan 2022. Unloaded I have gotten as high as 20.5 (actually calculated). Towing, I see 10-13mpg. Around town, ~15mpg. Computer is always about 1-2mpg too high.
From what I understand the clutch is the weak link and the reason they weren't rated for more power. The transmission it self can handle far more. I have an 18 with the G56 and have been beating on it for about 70k miles after a tune. Only replaced the clutch because it was slipping pretty badly. 😂
If I had to guess it would be to do with marketing. like if you want the big boy engine you have to buy the big expensive 3500. no reason why the 2500 couldn't have the HO engine.
The standard Cummins with higher compression has A LOT more room for power. The HO has more power from factory, but when doing mods you’ll want the standard output due to it higher compression and configuration!
@@n_rip8344 Absolutely true!! And when you consider the added costs to buy the HO vs the SO, add to that the loss in fuel economy each month... you will be able to buy the SO and add the ATS Allison for less money!!
Them trucks are not big enough I pulled a gooseneck with 850 case bulldozer and would run hot it's like driving a freight train with no brakes you can bend the frame really easy I know I did they are not heavy duty you really need a 2 or 3 ton truck or a 18-wheeler I never did feel comfortable with a heavy load
An 850 is kinda near the maximum weight this truck is capable of hauling. I personally wouldn’t haul over 23k with my 2022 3500 dually. Trailer and load.
Agreed! A medium duty freightliner M2 with a much lower rated 6.7 ISB would crush a 3500 all day. There is a large difference between a true commercial rig and a HD pick up truck. Regardless that HO cummins is packing a punch
Didn't 2nd or 1st gen trucks offer a High Output Cummins? To be honest I fill its just a marketing tool, No reason they cant put the H.O Cummins in a 2500. But your already spending close to 100k Whats a little more🤦🤦
Nailed it on the head. I would even guess a decent tune on the SO would get you to the HO power ratings. And maybe thats why I couldn't find much info because they don't want you to know there really isnt that much difference.
Ram Cummins junk ,mine a 2019 has failed with only 50000 miles and dealership refuses to repair.Still under warranty with the recall on the engine.I will never buy anything from ram again
@@TheGettyAdventures it has been almost 5 months,they told me bad fuel after I paid for a lab to test the fuel.the test showed no problem with the fuel!
THIS TRUCK IS POWERFUL BUT IT DRINKS DIESEL LIKE A PIG ON STEROIDS 😂. CITY DRIVING 9 ON HWY NOT TOWING 12 MPG TOWING 20,000 LBS IT GETS 6 MPG . IF YOU CAN AFFORD A $110,000 PLUS PU THAN SPENDING $230 TO FILL IT IS PEANUTS. 😂
Admit it folks, that's the vid tons of us were waiting for...
Thanks Alex 👍🏻
Like your videos all the way from prince Edward Island
I'm moving to Fredericton in August sir!
Haha well I was pretty excited to get my hands on this truck. It's an absolute beast. my good friend the owner said it pulls and tows like a dream.
I use to work at the plant where the engines are made and the pistons are different as well as the heads. Many components are different between the standard and high output. Cranks camshafts as well as others. We always had to swap parts when we did different standards or high output. I also worked on the machining side for the block. The high output puts would have 1 freeze plug left out on the side and standards would have them all in place once they reached ready for assembly. CGI issues are that they have lots of porosity that’s hard to catch compared to original cast irons.
I own both Cummins the H.O. And standard. Let me tell you the H.O. Will lug up the hills just about idle. The standard will downshift until it redlines to make it up the hills. Go high output.
I went ho ang glad I did
How do you tell the difference?
You have to drive both trucks at the same time.@@heatherjenista3964
@@heatherjenista3964by where the transmission dipstick is, I think the HO is on the driver's side. I may be off, but I know for certain the dipstick location is different between the two
I’m on my 3rd , 5th gen ram . My latest is a 22 Mega dually H.O and i am impressed by the power compared to the S.O
I love the look of the mega cab! My friend was saying that his HO is almost always into boost where his SO truck is rarely in boost unless pulling hills or trailers
I've heard people say the HO is gutless when you're not giving it tons of throttle due to the lower compression ratio. Is that true?
Great Video!! Always learn a lot here!
thank you sir! happy you liked it!
Great info Alex, thanks!
Thanks John. I appreciate it!
I order a 3500 SRW 4x4 Larmie back in 2018. Standard output engine with 48RFE. At 25K miles I get about 16 mpg unloaded. It was extremely hard to decide HO or standard (cool factor). After considering $$ and impact to tow #'s I went standard, and it works fine for my trivial towing needs. Great info on the differences. Thank you. I may not be "HO-Cool" but I am cool enough 🙂
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That's the decision I'm at now, I'm only going to be towing a fiver a few times a year and daily driving the rest. That's why I think the SO will be sufficient for my use.
@@robh5416 odds are you don't need a diesel for your towing needs in the first place... but if you're taking diesel anyway its because you want the power, so why settle for the lesser option? just my 2 cents
@@Slythey I appreciate the response, unfortunately I'm still going through the debate process. I'm going to wait to see what changes Ram does for the '25 models. Maybe that 8 -10 speed trans that's been on everyone's wish list.
@@robh5416 I've been waiting for a bit, unhappy with my '22 F350 7.3 gasser. I wouldn't volunteer to test out a new transmission on first model year though. The '24 Ram 3500s are between 5-10k off sticker in my area right now.
I’ve been waiting for your approval on this
Beautiful engine and truck. obviously the aftertreatment system is still there and that's always the downfall. but its not a Cummins thing it's an industry thing unfortunately.
Love your videos. Very insightful. How would you spec a 2024 HD Megacab for overlanding and Towing purposes?
I am extremely happy with our 2020 Ram 3500 SWR HO for towing our 2021 Montana 3231CK! With a match made on the road, it's clear that this truck is well-suited for our needs. The 9.8 MPG on long trips from SC to UT and back is not that impressive, was expecting around 2MPG. 865 days after purchase I am getting my CP4 pump replaced under warranty. Not sure if this will help with MPG I did ask and the tech didn’t seem to think it would. Many thanks Alex for your videos.
I agree the CP4 pumps sucks, fortunately ram did recall the pump. I’m in line now to get mine replaced
Went from a ‘18 1 ton dually SO (which after a while I deleted) to my most recent ‘22 1 ton dually HO and man the difference is noticeable. Pulls way better than my deleted 18. Pulls a 20k lb backhoe with ease.
Well explained presentation.
Great video
I'm wondering what the milage between overhaul would be, a semi will last about 500,000-600,000 miles between inframe (not pulling the motor out) overhauls.
Considering the power levels of the mechanical 5.9L engines. And how pleased people were with the power. If a demonstration of the 4cyl B motor. With the VGT turbo and an 8-speed ZF medium duty transmission. Running the 3.42 for 33" tires, 3.73 for 35's. A 4.4L would be plenty of power! And most important with $7 or more a Gallon fuel prices. Extremely economical and practical!.
We have a 2018 Ram 2500 4wd 3.42 ratio with the 6.7L standard output. That truck is a beast! We also have a 2016 Ram 1500 4wd 3.92 ratio with the 3L. But both trucks pull the same trailers rather nicely. The 3L gets 17mpg @ 55mph, whole the 6.7L gets 13mpg @ 55mph. Pulling the exact same trailer.
Because of the ZF 8-speed, the 3L is the one to drive in snow and ice conditions. The 6.7L has just way to much power and throttle sensitivity with the taller axle ratio and only 6 speeds.
If we could buy a Ram 3500 with the 4cyl Cummins B series, ZF 8-speed, 3.42 axle ratio. Highway fuel economy would be 36mpg at 62mph/100kph. And would still be a beast!
I think a 4 cylinder Cummins would be amazing for the 1500's personally I don't like the 3L Eco diesel but they are efficient! a 4cylinder Cummins with the 8 speed would also be very efficient but also probably wicked tough. great idea I love it!
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Thanks for this info. Do you know if they have made any changes to the Aisin transmission through out the years? (19-22)
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Alex, question for you. We are going full time RV living soon and wanted to know your opinion as to how much towing is the amount that crosses the line where you need a HO RAM 3500 as opposed to the Standard Output Cummins? Is it a matter of terrain? Percentage of miles towing vs. non-tow driving? GVW of 5th wheel will be in 18k lb. (8,200 kg) range.
Have you done a video comparing the 68RFE to the Aisin? Currently shopping for trucks and still unsure about that 68RFE. Lotta negative hype out there! Thanks.
I just ordered one of these. I run hotshot across the country so I decided this one was the best for me. High output with the tradesmen model 3500….
A true work rig. Love it!
If you make your living with this new truck... get ready for a huge drop in profits since the fuel economy is horrible!!
The best combination for HotShot would be a Commercial Chassis where you can get the standard output and the Aisin transmission but retain the better compression ratio. THEN just add the Banks Monster Ram and heater delete to gain more power & efficiency. Take it from me, I have logged over 100K miles in the past year with my 2021 Ram MegaCab Limited HO and spent a small fortune trying to get it right where a STOCK RAM 2500 MPGs are.
@@DavidWilks I just got my h/o 6.7 aisin dually, how much do you tow with it and what mpg do you average?
@@DavidWilks I got it with the 4.10 axle gears, I hotshot for a living and plan to average 100k miles per year as well
I own a 2022 3500 dully with the standard engine and transmission, my brother in-law bought a 2023 with the HO, now he's driven my truck, I haven't his.
He has determined his truck is as strong as mine, we do the exact same type of work and we haul the same things, now I don't know if it's a factor that my truck is broken in and his is rather new or what, my truck is also heavier being 4x4
When did the new 6.7 Cummings engine come out, like I’m talking the one with the 16-2 compression ratio
Can you do a video of the HO Ram vs HO Ford please
I have a 2022 HO with 4:10 gears. It is used for hauling only. I run from MI to TX every month to pick up a new gooseneck and come back with 18 to 22k pounds behhind me on average. This truck has more power than it needs, or it doesn't need the 4:10s. Didn't think I would ever say that, Truck doesn't like being shoved to the floor, there is really no need. Haven't found an entrance ramp that I couldn't do 70 by the time I merge when loaded. My 2015 had HO, 4:10 gears better al a round set up and the air ride worked much better. The 2022 does get better mileage for some reason. Have only made 3 trips in it. There is nothing like a new truck!
Did not know the HO could get the 4.10 when i try to select 4.10 it deselects the HO. Seems to only want 3.73. Interesting
@@Jtwizzle You might try the Max Tow option, it only comes with 4:10 gears. But you shouldn't have to. 4:10 only comes on a dulaly. You can't get 4:10s on a single wheel unless you get a cab & chassis. With the HO engine you don't need the 4:10 unless you are towing for a living because the biger gear makes life eazer for the trans, or if you plan to put larger tires on.
@@upnorthyooper1196 Ahh that makes sense, only for dually. Thanks.
What is the update on your 22 HO diesel? What is your current mileage, any problems or dislike about the truck, would you buy it again if you are in market today? I am torn between 2021 and 2023 3500 HO with the 4:10's. I am leaning between 2021 or 2023 as I have heard lots of problems with the 2022's. Paul on RUclips who owns many Cummins diesel for hotshot had major problems on his 4 2022 HO diesel. Thank you in advance.
@@j.l.salayao8055 Just found this it's late, I am leaving for TX in the morning 960 miles on the first day, Be back next week. I will fill you in with what I think when I get back.
Dude I love your videos,, i feel like the worse that happened to Diesel in general is the DEF system
thank you sir! I mean yes but its a pain in ass when the emission systems fail. it de-rates the whole truck and leaves to stranded. plus the components are stupid expensive. a whole system is probably around 10-15k
A clear raw diesel engine , is a never die machine, at least here in US is a pain in the butt the emissions
A lot of kinks are worked out now a days with after treatment systems. That is as long as you work the truck like they’re built to do. The guys who have after treatment problems are the ones who buys a diesel truck to drive around town and pick up Groceries or go to the mall
Im looking to buy a 2019 how can i tell the difference and do all h.o. Cummins come with the aisin
How to tune the SO to get the HO power ratings?! 🎉
80% of the owners will never use all of the torque of the standard output
I don't your wrong. or they'll use it once a year.
Can a standard be converted to High Output?
If you swapped a bunch of parts and reprogrammed ECM but it be cheaper to just buy the HO
Thanks for the video, I thought I would learn more but there is a lot of misinformation in your video. After having six different RAM 2500 trucks for my Marine Transport business since 2015 & logging almost 1,000,000 miles since... I bought a 2021 RAM MegaCab Limited HO Dually 4.10 truck and learned the hard way how poor the MPGs were with the HO compared to the SO of my previous 2500s. The funny thing about towing boats is that the MAX weight ratings are calculated by towing an actual WEIGHT on a Flatbed trailer for testing, tuning and safety control by the Manufacturer. What they do not do is actually haul something like a large boat weighing 15,000# which falls far under the realm of the 30K+ max weight but what it does do is have very irregular airflow versus say a weight on a flatbed gooseneck. This lack of insight in tuning plays a role where the engine can demand more DEF to compensate for say, huge Headwinds when towing West across Wyoming towards Washington, than the tuning was ever programmed for... so then you get "DEF System See Dealer" messages and a limp mode to render your truck useless. Of course, the "Plug N Play" Techs are just as useless since they are not allowed to test your truck hauling a load, and when operating said truck at normal loads, never hits the window of operation so they could see what is actually happening... you get a reset and "Nothing Is Wrong Here" from the dealer and a bill for the service since it is not covered by warranty.
SO... to shed some light on the real mechanical differences between the two trucks, SO & HO. It's the Pistons and tuning... nothing more. The Camshaft, Block, rods and crank are all the same. You might be surprised to know the turbo is the exact same part too... everything is done by tuning. What is truly different is the rear axle... so do not order the BANKS Diff cover for a 2021 Ram HO from anywhere other than SUMMIT Racing, as the earlier part numbers showed the wrong axle. The reason Summit has it right is because that is where I ordered it from, and they have now had a PowWow with BANKS to get the right part numbers in their system.
Can an HO truck be made to achieve the fuel economy of the SO trucks...? YES!!! It Can, but be ready to break out the wallet for some serious cash. Just note, by this time... you are now going to spend an additional $3500-5500 on TOP of what it cost you to upgrade to the HO from an SO... JUST TO GET THE AISIN Transmission. For less money, you could do an ATS Allison Swap and still get 20+mpg!!! The BANKS MonsterRam is worth 2-3mpg across the board when installed with the heater grid delete. Add in the Ram Air box Banks calls a "Super Scoop" and the hard pipes to see 19-21mpg unladen and 10.5-12mpg while towing anything over 12K#. I have documented this and yes, saved some fuel along the way. Just doing the #JennyCraigMod is not enough. I have much of these changes shared on my channel as well as the subtle differences like how the EGR is affixed to the exhaust manifold on the newer HO trucks.
Keep up the great videos!!
I believe the transfer case is also larger in the HO models. I thought Firepunk discovered the injectors in the HO were different than the SO. I could be wrong there.
I have a 2021 HO with all those mods you said. Your MPG number jive with what I get both towing and unloaded. I also have an S467 en route.
Appreciate the comment! So maybe it was the way I described it but yes the block, crank and rods are the same for the HO and the SO. I was just pointing out that in 2019 for the fifth gen those items were upgraded from the last "generation" of Cummins. But I see how that could be misunderstood. I just thought it would be cool to mention the upgrades from the 4th gen Cummins.
I think later in the video I point out the only real differences between the SO and HO are the pistons and the ECM tuning. I speculated there was maybe some fueling differences but I wasn't 100% sure. just a gut feeling.
It's funny you mentioned the diff being different because I thought my power wagon with the 4.10 gears had a nice sized diff. and then I saw that diff and I was wow that's ALOT bigger.
@@TheGettyAdventures
You're on the right track! I invested a ton of money in mine and did so without first knowing what I was getting into... in plain words, "I followed the hype" on RUclips and the Forums without really looking deep into the options. Had I done so, I would have stuck with the 2500 or if going the 3500 route, kept the 68RFE as it has been a reliable transmission in my experience but it is at least upgradable with tuning unlike the Aisin. That's the real issue with these trucks is the Aisin is a shit-show for shifting as it wants no matter what you need at that time. Who cares if it's strong when it hasn't a clue what it's doing... kinda reminds me of Brandon!
So i have a 2022 cab and chassis ram 3500 i just bought with the aisen transmision and the 370hp so moter and im not real satisfied with the hp when towing heavy 25000- 30000lbs on flatbed goosneck.i dont want to void my warrenty but whatever, is there a tuner out there i can use to get the performance of the HO or better without hurting the engine?
thank you ! I just bought a 2024 ram 3500 mega cab HO . I would love more info on tuning for better mpgs !
In 2022 only truck you get ho option is 3500. I bought a 2022 3500 4x4 limited longhorn short bedega cab love thisctruck
I wish they would offer the HO in the 2500's but It is what it is!
The HO has been a 3500 only option since the first HO 6.7L was introduced. There's never been a 2500 HO 6.7L. The 3rd gen 5.9L HO rolled in 2003 as an option, standard in 04.5+ and ran until the first 6.7L in 07.5
Sound like regulator out put power is better for boat towing, SRW is better DRW for not towing ALL TIME. I saw one in the shopping packing lot, it SRW big horn, dark red color, and it's so nice. This truck town 35 feet boat easily. Look nice.
So they are both 6.7L engines. But for the high output the only difference is the Aisin transmisson which makes it high output ?? How can you tell the difference ?
they are both 6.7L engines yes. exact same displacement but the high output basically is tuned to make more boost and more power along with the aisin transmission.
Quick question,, what do u think about the baffle inside the intake ? Removing it or No ? Pros and cons ,, please thanks
Like most baffles its main function is to suppress sound. The aftermarket intakes don't have one for that reason. Sound is most of what you get with the aftermarket. So if you like the sound of some turbo you could remove it. If you like it quiet, keep it as is.
Love having my G56 fourth gen. Do a little work to it if you know what I mean and put in a better clutch and you could be close to a high output with a stick shift best of both worlds.
Don't get me wrong havint a stick cummins is BAD ASS. And I would love to have one. I was just a little surprised they nurfed the power ratings.
But like you said maybe you loose some emissions equipment somehow and throw in a nice clutch and you'll have a wicked truck!
@@TheGettyAdventures the only thing I can think of for there reasoning is the stock clutch is garbage and it was only used to dampen the sound of the g56 cummins combo. Now a decent dual disk clutch in there and it's a whole different truck. The G56 can take some power. There was a user on RUclips with a stock G56 running 11s at the track. I believe his name is Greg Alberalla.
@@ryanl5888 2018 was the last year for a G56 from the factory. Glad my 2015 drw has it and going strong.
Maybe different head gaskets to change the CR. That would be the easiest(cheapest) way to lower CR.
will '23 colors have some cool like desert sand or od green? if not, white, black, silver, gray, blue, red ho hums then.
The colors suck now i want to see the orange yellow green etc bold colors
Can you tell apart by looking at them? If so how? As im shopping around and i tow every day
The HO trans dip stick is on the right if you standing in front of the truck with the hood open
I have a 2008 with the Ascin trans. So they have been around much longer than 2013.
You are correct sir! Thank you for correcting me. 2007 is when they were first used in a Ram.
2008 they put aisin in cab chassis only 3500-5500 2013 on 3500 single and dually optional aisin
I think this is more a about show his hand then the actual truck .
lol so less hand more truck. got it
I've compared the piston part numbers between an SO and HO when they first released the CGI engine and they are different part numbers. It's pistons and tuning/boost. Nothing else. Same HPFP's.
Thanks for this info. Do you know if they have made any changes to the Aisin transmission through out the years? (19-22)
@@faultless18 2021 got an increase in input shaft diameter and a hardened internal drum as part of the power upgrade to 1075 lb.ft. Misc internal improvements from what I've been told.
@@rjterry21 Reason I’m asking is because I just recently Purchased 2022 ram 3500 HO. Aisin trans went out at 3k miles.
I only tow 11-15k lb trailers
Dealer replaced the whole trans
@@faultless18 Losing an Aisin is unusual. Yours is probably only the second I've heard of for 2019+ trucks. I'm sure there's more, but it's still unusual for one to let go so soon. Must have been a bad build.
@@rjterry21 I was shocked myself. From what I’ve heard of they are bulletproof. I also don’t even tow much weight. Between 8-15k max
how do you adjust the hydraulic lifters?
You don't have to adjust them. Engine oil pressure is used to keep correct backlash on the valves train. Whereas a solid lifter has to be adjust to keep the proper backlash. If that makes sense.
So the benefit of the hydraulic lifter is they are maintenance free. But in my opinion they are not as reliable as a solid lifter.
I just bought my 3500 single rear wheel with the HO engine and Aisin transmission it’s a very powerful engine, but it does drinks a lot of diesel
What’s your MPG? Towing or empty
So what do you think mpg difference is while driving the same?
by buddies said with the SO he was getting around 20-22MPG. with the HO he is getting 17-18MPG. so a bit lower but nothing outrageous
@@TheGettyAdventures I have a 2022 CC 3500 SRW 4WD HO/Aisin and I get just over 21mpg (true calculation and not the computer) unloaded on the highway. Pulling an RV, I almost always get 11-12mpg.
How do you know if you have a HO vs standard?
Has a badge on the back
As soon as I saw the shorter connecting rods, I knew... I has guessed 17:1 just from apperance.
Don't confuse the rod difference shown in the video, that's between the pre-19 6.7L and the CGI 6.7L. The SO and HO only have different pistons and tune.
Will the high output be as durable?
as with many things. only time will tell. you would like to think Cummins put time and money into this engine but I can imagine they are like any business looking to improve their bottom line at every turn.
That is funny all that torture and from the owners I know 13 to 15 mpg . I'll keep my 765 ft pounds and 20mpg all day. The race to have the most sometimes is not very user efficient in this environment nor has it been for some time now.
you aren't wrong. the commercial grade ISB 6.7's come with like 280 horse and would out pull any pick up truck.
Will you ever touch on delete kits ?
I honestly just don't have that much experience with deleting emissions. But It would be a good topic to cover. I might try and do some research and see what I come up with. the sad truth is these diesel engines would run so much better with a delete.
I deleted my 2021 Ram 3500 because the factory tuning does not take into any consideration the induced drag by boats and other larger towed vehicles. YES, 5th-Wheel Campers are large but they are simply more aerodynamic than a boat with a t-top acting like a parachute. Many tuners are specific DELETE DEVICES and as such by the DOT/EPA Regulations are illegal to have on your truck. The EZlink system is a "Fleet Tracking Device" first that has been utilized by some very smart people to "backdoor" the ECU for tuning capabilities. This way if you are stopped and it is on your truck, the issue then only becomes one of missing components. Now, you can run this device with everything installed... but why? I will say, deleting alone did not make up for the lack of MPGs due to the lower compression, but it did save money from not buying DEF every day while hauling.
@@DavidWilks
Thanks great info.
Just finished one and was careful to put a stock tune on the HO. A Mechanic friend warned me factory head bolts and what not Wouldn’t take a strong tune. Fair warning to others “stock” tune doesn’t seem to match HO horse power! Came here to see what the HO was suppose to be to bump it.
@@ditmars1986 Mine is running a 200hp bump and towing with zero issues for 80K miles now. The HO engines now have the larger head bolts so anyone telling you that shit doesn't know what they are talking about. I tow every day, up mountain grades and zero issues.
What is difference in blue def and platinum blue def ? Besides cost?
Not really sure. but def is simply 33% urea (ammonia) and 66% water. it consists of 2 ingredients so not sure how one product could be better then another.
Here's the difference: ruclips.net/video/1pyjAuR46gk/видео.html
@@TheGettyAdventures the box says special additive cleaning agents but you know how that goes
I saw a little clip on YT about Platinum and after 100,000 miles the injector was virtually spotless. From what I've seen Platinum is better for daily drivers.
@@GaryBlankenship96b40
By EPA laws and Manufacturer's specifications, DEF cannot be deviated from the certified mix. Nothing else added... NOTHING. Imagine this ONE scenario, you use "Brand-X" DEF and it has some magic formula and all-of-a-sudden my truck fails causing me to go to the dealer. The Dealer tells me they sent a sample of my DEF for testing and now it is out of Specs. I can hire an attorney to have an independent Testing Lap Certify my DEF is within limitations and qualifies for the OEM & EPA specifications as well I also provide batch numbers with production dates. What do you think the dealer does then...? They come up with something else but I've covered my ass... its on them for the improper tuning from the Factory which then causes an update other owners get later. Ask me how I know this...!
No DEF manufacturer is going to stray from the formula, NOT worth it when they are making Billions on piss & water! It's all marketing. One lawsuit to proving a DEF manufacturer has strayed from the mix and the entire Pandora's Box of DEF pump failures and class action suits is on their way!
On Dec/2022 I bought a SRW Ram 3500 with the H.O. Cummins and the AISIN Transmission. Driving with a light foot I get between 13.8mpg - 15.3mpg actual efficiency. The computer always says it's higher 15.5 - 16.5mpg, but it's never correct.
What MPG do you guys see with your H.O. Cummins & AISIN Transmission???
I've seen people reporting fairly high mpg with the Standard Output Cummins & 68RFE Transmission.
But I'm curious about actual calculated (not computer) MPG for the H.O. & AISIN.
Can anyone share your experience???
I bought a 2022 Ram 3500 HO/Aisin SRW CC 4WD in Jan 2022. Unloaded I have gotten as high as 20.5 (actually calculated). Towing, I see 10-13mpg. Around town, ~15mpg. Computer is always about 1-2mpg too high.
Another difference is the ho has the aisin transmission st don't
Music is really loud compared to your voice - have to keep going up down up down on the volume control :)
It's a shame ram never upgraded their manual transmission and clutches to handle more horse power and ft lbs of torture.
I know eh, I think the fourth gen sold so few manuals that RAM probably had no motivation to upgrade the clutch throughout it's life. shame really
From what I understand the clutch is the weak link and the reason they weren't rated for more power. The transmission it self can handle far more. I have an 18 with the G56 and have been beating on it for about 70k miles after a tune. Only replaced the clutch because it was slipping pretty badly. 😂
I don’t understand why the offer 2 versions who wants a lower power engine when buying a diesel truck? If buying a 3/4 might as well go Chevy or ford.
If I had to guess it would be to do with marketing. like if you want the big boy engine you have to buy the big expensive 3500. no reason why the 2500 couldn't have the HO engine.
The standard Cummins with higher compression has A LOT more room for power. The HO has more power from factory, but when doing mods you’ll want the standard output due to it higher compression and configuration!
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Absolutely true!! And when you consider the added costs to buy the HO vs the SO, add to that the loss in fuel economy each month... you will be able to buy the SO and add the ATS Allison for less money!!
Cuz cummins is a better engine
No we want to make it where we gotta go...
Nothing wrong with hydraulic lifters.
I own the HO besides the clunky trans that truck will pull any hill with no issues
Delete it an tune it I bet you could get 500-600hp and 1500+ torque.
I'm going to need you to put your hand in your pocket...
My mother was French Canadian they speak with their hands. lol but point taken!
This engine is used in 55ton rated semi trucks in the 3rd world 😂 . Hp is lower than the one here. It's about 250hp.
Them trucks are not big enough I pulled a gooseneck with 850 case bulldozer and would run hot it's like driving a freight train with no brakes you can bend the frame really easy I know I did they are not heavy duty you really need a 2 or 3 ton truck or a 18-wheeler I never did feel comfortable with a heavy load
An 850 is kinda near the maximum weight this truck is capable of hauling. I personally wouldn’t haul over 23k with my 2022 3500 dually. Trailer and load.
Agreed! A medium duty freightliner M2 with a much lower rated 6.7 ISB would crush a 3500 all day.
There is a large difference between a true commercial rig and a HD pick up truck. Regardless that HO cummins is packing a punch
I think the max rated towing for a 2021 3500 is like 37k which is wild.
I haul a 19k pound backhoe for work with a 2019 f450 with flat utility bed loaded down with tools, toolboxes, and generator and it pulls it with ease.
So get the high output n a programmer
Ever heard of Scotty Kilmer?
lol Yes I know Scotty!
@@TheGettyAdventures
I urgently urge you to take heed of his opinion of different vehicle brands.
Good luck.
@@antonhuman8446 thought u did something
Didn't 2nd or 1st gen trucks offer a High Output Cummins? To be honest I fill its just a marketing tool, No reason they cant put the H.O Cummins in a 2500. But your already spending close to 100k Whats a little more🤦🤦
Nailed it on the head. I would even guess a decent tune on the SO would get you to the HO power ratings.
And maybe thats why I couldn't find much info because they don't want you to know there really isnt that much difference.
Why couldn't they have dropped the 68 and kept the G56 (with a better clutch to begin with) along with the aisin transmission
HO offered as an option in 2003-2004. Became the standard offering in 2004.5+ until the 6.7L dropped in 07.5
I believe there was a time an H.O. only came with a 6 speed manual because the automatic 48Rfe couldn't take anymore power.
This is too confusing....I can't follow your info anymore.... how about use some graphic organizers to organize your thoughts.... I can't follow....
the older style rams look way better
DUDE, ENOUGH WITH THE HAND THING. MY GOSH
10-4 Hank
Great video, but your constant insertion of your hands in the video is annoying. It’s like watching a hyper kid.
Ram Cummins junk ,mine a 2019 has failed with only 50000 miles and dealership refuses to repair.Still under warranty with the recall on the engine.I will never buy anything from ram again
MODT DEALERSHIPS ARE LIKE THAT NOWADAYS ... CUMMINS IS A GREAT ENGINE WITHOUT ALL THE B.S.
Well thats shitty for the dealership to treat you likw that. Why did the dealership refuse to repair it ?
@@TheGettyAdventures it has been almost 5 months,they told me bad fuel after I paid for a lab to test the fuel.the test showed no problem with the fuel!
@@dlansburg2673 man oh man. Dealerships can be slimy. have you tried another dealer? because that seems like some bullshit
Your cp4 took a crap! That’s bs!!
Ford and Chevy has more HP
great, my 6.4 has more HP also. doesn't mean it can pull more then the 6.7 Cummins
Just means they make there power at higher rpm
When you are Towing something it is Torque not Horse Power that you Need!!!
@@CT9905. -- with gearing, you can multiply torque. You cant can't multiply horsepower!
@@rpsmith Yes and Torque is what you need on a steep Incline!!!
THIS TRUCK IS POWERFUL BUT IT DRINKS DIESEL LIKE A PIG ON STEROIDS 😂. CITY DRIVING 9 ON HWY NOT TOWING 12 MPG TOWING 20,000 LBS IT GETS 6 MPG . IF YOU CAN AFFORD A $110,000 PLUS PU THAN SPENDING $230 TO FILL IT IS PEANUTS. 😂